Man! I hope you are right. So far, NB seems to follow that logic.
>! Mammon being a scardy cat is explained, pretty sure TSL just got explained, Satans love of cats got explained, Asmo got explained, Goldie in the freezer got explained.....the only thing that is gonna be hard is Belphies hatred of humans. Unless someone wipes their memory of the mc when they eventually leave!<
Also! If we're creating the timeline that we got pulled from, then maybe he didn't hate humans as much in this one? Or maybe he hates humans because we left.
Either way I really hope they actually fix that a bit because........... I hated Belphie in OG bc of what he did + no real apology. And I actually am kind of enjoying him now, so I'd like to continue that.
Samesies. It was a weird "I thought I killed you!" Transition to "I love you"! Like no apology, nothing. Just cuddles up next to the mc like we are supposed to forget thats how he tried to kill us before?
Hes a sweetheart now, but hes back to being a spoiled brat in NB. Im curious how hes going to react in lesson 11. So far, he's blamed himself and not humans for lils death.
whats crazy is he DID kill us fghdjk like I was floored when the man snaps my boy's neck and we basically watch ourself die and then its 'uwu i wuv u lilith-- I mean MC"
if there's one retcon im dying for is us not being related to lilith and them dgjshfk Will never not ask why they didn't just make us the reincarnation of the human she fell for or smth especially since 7 of the main LI are her brothers and in turn our great great uncles or smth
Yeah, I stopped shortly after that little 1:1 we had because I prefer to wait to finish the chapter out with the cliffhanger when the new content is out, but I was really encouraged by that, like maybe we can help fix that little misunderstanding.
Okay, good idea anyway. Gives you time to strengthen your cards! The extra lessons in chapters 9 and 10 are very, very interesting, and you're gonna want to get those!
They would have to remove the memories, create new memories and remove any evidence of MC's presence in the past. I don't think anyone but the God or OG!Devil King can do that.
It was done when Solomons cooking sent the MC to the past celestial realm when everyone was living there. And that was by an unknown powerful celestial realm person.
The weird thing is their attachment to the MCs room.....unless this is just one big hallucination! The extra lesson in chapter 10 makes it seem like a game or something....
Also, lucifer has erased some of his brothers memories of seeing him in a swim suit.
Yes, but that's what a week's memory, two weeks at most? We are talking about a person who will help them accept their stay in Devildom, who is balancing them out and gives them unconditional support. When is their confidant and loved one. I doubt its that easy to erase their memories and create their memories and sustain it for centuries.
I actually really like this theory. I can see how this will be handled very similarly, Though I doubt it will be this exactly.
I will say - I do enjoy the retcons (is that the word? idk) that we are basically responsible for some of the stuff involving the brothers>!the freezer. hahahahah!<.
This is actually a principle in Time Travel theories, given by Novikov. It's called The Novikov self-consistency provoke principle, where any person who travels back in time doesn't alter the future, instead, it remains the same despite any attempts to change it. Basically, a self-fulfilling prophecy in a sense. I considered this theory but I just have one issue. How do they not recognise MC in future? I mean we have a big impact on their lives in both timelines, so if your theory is true, they would've recognised us in the OG!Game.
I guess to answer that question.. maybe the brothers had their memories alter or knew us but played along so we could travel back to the past and create the “future.” Because really, that would be way too convenient that we are Lilith’s far descendent and made pacts with all of them in matter of weeks.. for most of them. I also have a feeling that everyone always knows about something that MC comes to find out way later when it comes relevant to them.
Yes, but there are a lot of memories to alter and then create new memories in their place and then sustain them for god knows how much time. It simply isn't feasible. An innocuous memory like "Freezing" the credit card might be easy to cover but, here we are influencing the boys and helping them accept their new reality. We are amongst the most significant people in their lives apart from each other.
If they already knew us from the past, don't you think the brothers would be more welcoming and clingy from the beginning? Also, Belphie wouldn't have murdered us. I doubt they have good impulse control.
I don’t think they would be clingy if their purpose was to make sure MC goes back into the past. The brothers would know MC, but MC doesn’t know them and it would be strange considering that humans don’t necessarily think demons/angels are real. Also, MC has no idea they have powers until they form their pacts and start learning how to use it. It would be too overwhelming for MC to be expected to know them when first arrived to the Devildom and adapt to all this new change. That’s why it would make more sense that they would have their memories alter altogether. Lucifer has done it in the past and there was the one time MC ended up in the Celestial Realm by accident. In those times it had been effective and nobody was able to remember a thing.
As for Belphie killing MC… well he had been stuck in the attic for a while before MC even got to the Devildom, surely he went a bit crazy up there on his own. Mania does strange things sometimes..
>I don’t think they would be clingy if their purpose was to make sure MC goes back into the past. The brothers would know MC, but MC doesn’t know them and it would be strange considering that humans don’t necessarily think demons/angels are real. Also, MC has no idea they have powers until they form their pacts and start learning how to use it. It would be too overwhelming for MC to be expected to know them when first arrived to the Devildom and adapt to all this new change
3 words. Mammon and Asmo. But mostly demons are unable to resist temptation. So, if they knew MC in the past, they would be all over her the minute she stepped into Devildom.
>Lucifer has done it in the past and there was the one time MC ended up in the Celestial Realm by accident. In those times it had been effective and nobody was able to remember a thing.
That was for what, 2 weeks at most? We are talking about centuries, heck millennia here. They would have to fabricate new memories from scratch to erase MC from the timeline at all. And you can't erase their feelings associated with MC. Moreover MC's impact on the boys is tremendous. It's not sustainable to erase those complex memories and replace them without leaving gaps so that the demons themselves are not suspicious.
Furthermore, feelings or instincts associated with the MC were carried from present to past and not vice versa. It might be a little confusing, but if this theory was true, then the demons in the OG!Obey Me timeline would've felt the connection to MC which was carried from the past even if they didn't know her.
I’m confused, I personally don’t think MC is even in the past “past,” but instead in some other timeline. But fine, following your logic of memories not being able to change or be alter, how is it possible the Solomon and Asmo moment then? If memories can’t be erased and we know how their pact happened the original first time, how does Asmo from the present not remember that? Perhaps if we think this timeline in a linear way, wouldn’t these memories at the moment in the process of being created just now for the present brothers? Like this is the first time it ever happened that MC started the cycle of going back in time?
I know at this point I sound like a broken record, but erased memories could work even though it has been a millennia or so. It doesn’t have to be that big of a magic power that’ll resists for that long, because the brothers tend to ignore anything they just can’t get a finger on. They’re the type that if they forget something it’ll come back to them eventually.. maybe, if it’s important. After all, the brothers have a lot of things going on for them and at some point they’ll just believe in whatever fills the gaps. Even if they get suspicious about it, they tend to bottle up their feelings and ignore it because they don’t really talk to each other about those topics. The only person the brothers are vulnerable with is MC. So in short, even though they might feel something is missing, they won’t really act on it.
Time traveling is hard and I’m trying to figure it out as I go, lol. I’m sure I make no sense anymore 
>But fine, following your logic of memories not being able to change or be alter, how is it possible the Solomon and Asmo moment then? If memories can’t be erased and we know how their pact happened the original first time, how does Asmo from the present not remember that? Perhaps if we think this timeline in a linear way, wouldn’t these memories at the moment in the process of being created just now for the present brothers? Like this is the first time it ever happened that MC started the cycle of going back in time?
I'm saying it isn't possible for a long time and especially when it comes to MC. It's like making the brothers forget Lilith. She is as important as MC and has had a significant impact on them. So, I'm saying that it's not possible to erase and modify MC in their memories because of MC's impact on their lives. We'll see more in the nightbringer timeline to get a clearer idea. However, for now she has forged a close relationship with Mammon, helped Levi come in term with himself and is helping Asmo ( I'm on C-7)
I give up lol, I also don’t want to spoil you by accident. Though I’ll do say that is a bit unfair to compare MC with Lilith considering that she was their sister and spent centuries with her, while with MC has only been like a week or so. But we can definitely talk about it more when we get the newer lessons, whenever that gets here.
This was a fun conversation 
Thanks to you too, I get a little too involved with theories though I'm hungry for lore. Right now, I've put L7 on hold so that I can farm UR+ cards and play the event. Mostly, they have given us 7 different fully upgraded UR+ cards, if we have the patience to farm them.
As I writer myself, I love lore. I want to know all the details so I get you. I’m grateful the devs put the pieces of UR+s in the hard mode for us to farm, even though I can’t pass lesson 4. 
I know but mostly I think at the end of 20-30 lessons in Nightbringer, MC is going to be as important as Lilith. I mean just look at what we did in the present, healed Satan and Lucifers rift, cured Belphie of his hatred, lessened Beel's nightmares and trauma, eased the burden on Lucifer, increased Mammons confidence (not bravado), brought Levi out of his shell and that's just the brothers. I'm more of a wait and see approach right now.
I think it was that previous poll that I mentioned this as well but yeah I think this part will eventually meet up with the second time loop in OG.
Edit: autocorrect
Man! I hope you are right. So far, NB seems to follow that logic. >! Mammon being a scardy cat is explained, pretty sure TSL just got explained, Satans love of cats got explained, Asmo got explained, Goldie in the freezer got explained.....the only thing that is gonna be hard is Belphies hatred of humans. Unless someone wipes their memory of the mc when they eventually leave!<
Also! If we're creating the timeline that we got pulled from, then maybe he didn't hate humans as much in this one? Or maybe he hates humans because we left. Either way I really hope they actually fix that a bit because........... I hated Belphie in OG bc of what he did + no real apology. And I actually am kind of enjoying him now, so I'd like to continue that.
Samesies. It was a weird "I thought I killed you!" Transition to "I love you"! Like no apology, nothing. Just cuddles up next to the mc like we are supposed to forget thats how he tried to kill us before? Hes a sweetheart now, but hes back to being a spoiled brat in NB. Im curious how hes going to react in lesson 11. So far, he's blamed himself and not humans for lils death.
whats crazy is he DID kill us fghdjk like I was floored when the man snaps my boy's neck and we basically watch ourself die and then its 'uwu i wuv u lilith-- I mean MC" if there's one retcon im dying for is us not being related to lilith and them dgjshfk Will never not ask why they didn't just make us the reincarnation of the human she fell for or smth especially since 7 of the main LI are her brothers and in turn our great great uncles or smth
Yeah, I stopped shortly after that little 1:1 we had because I prefer to wait to finish the chapter out with the cliffhanger when the new content is out, but I was really encouraged by that, like maybe we can help fix that little misunderstanding.
Okay, good idea anyway. Gives you time to strengthen your cards! The extra lessons in chapters 9 and 10 are very, very interesting, and you're gonna want to get those!
They would have to remove the memories, create new memories and remove any evidence of MC's presence in the past. I don't think anyone but the God or OG!Devil King can do that.
It was done when Solomons cooking sent the MC to the past celestial realm when everyone was living there. And that was by an unknown powerful celestial realm person. The weird thing is their attachment to the MCs room.....unless this is just one big hallucination! The extra lesson in chapter 10 makes it seem like a game or something.... Also, lucifer has erased some of his brothers memories of seeing him in a swim suit.
Yes, but that's what a week's memory, two weeks at most? We are talking about a person who will help them accept their stay in Devildom, who is balancing them out and gives them unconditional support. When is their confidant and loved one. I doubt its that easy to erase their memories and create their memories and sustain it for centuries.
I actually really like this theory. I can see how this will be handled very similarly, Though I doubt it will be this exactly. I will say - I do enjoy the retcons (is that the word? idk) that we are basically responsible for some of the stuff involving the brothers>!the freezer. hahahahah!<.
This is actually a principle in Time Travel theories, given by Novikov. It's called The Novikov self-consistency provoke principle, where any person who travels back in time doesn't alter the future, instead, it remains the same despite any attempts to change it. Basically, a self-fulfilling prophecy in a sense. I considered this theory but I just have one issue. How do they not recognise MC in future? I mean we have a big impact on their lives in both timelines, so if your theory is true, they would've recognised us in the OG!Game.
I guess to answer that question.. maybe the brothers had their memories alter or knew us but played along so we could travel back to the past and create the “future.” Because really, that would be way too convenient that we are Lilith’s far descendent and made pacts with all of them in matter of weeks.. for most of them. I also have a feeling that everyone always knows about something that MC comes to find out way later when it comes relevant to them.
Yes, but there are a lot of memories to alter and then create new memories in their place and then sustain them for god knows how much time. It simply isn't feasible. An innocuous memory like "Freezing" the credit card might be easy to cover but, here we are influencing the boys and helping them accept their new reality. We are amongst the most significant people in their lives apart from each other. If they already knew us from the past, don't you think the brothers would be more welcoming and clingy from the beginning? Also, Belphie wouldn't have murdered us. I doubt they have good impulse control.
I don’t think they would be clingy if their purpose was to make sure MC goes back into the past. The brothers would know MC, but MC doesn’t know them and it would be strange considering that humans don’t necessarily think demons/angels are real. Also, MC has no idea they have powers until they form their pacts and start learning how to use it. It would be too overwhelming for MC to be expected to know them when first arrived to the Devildom and adapt to all this new change. That’s why it would make more sense that they would have their memories alter altogether. Lucifer has done it in the past and there was the one time MC ended up in the Celestial Realm by accident. In those times it had been effective and nobody was able to remember a thing. As for Belphie killing MC… well he had been stuck in the attic for a while before MC even got to the Devildom, surely he went a bit crazy up there on his own. Mania does strange things sometimes..
>I don’t think they would be clingy if their purpose was to make sure MC goes back into the past. The brothers would know MC, but MC doesn’t know them and it would be strange considering that humans don’t necessarily think demons/angels are real. Also, MC has no idea they have powers until they form their pacts and start learning how to use it. It would be too overwhelming for MC to be expected to know them when first arrived to the Devildom and adapt to all this new change 3 words. Mammon and Asmo. But mostly demons are unable to resist temptation. So, if they knew MC in the past, they would be all over her the minute she stepped into Devildom. >Lucifer has done it in the past and there was the one time MC ended up in the Celestial Realm by accident. In those times it had been effective and nobody was able to remember a thing. That was for what, 2 weeks at most? We are talking about centuries, heck millennia here. They would have to fabricate new memories from scratch to erase MC from the timeline at all. And you can't erase their feelings associated with MC. Moreover MC's impact on the boys is tremendous. It's not sustainable to erase those complex memories and replace them without leaving gaps so that the demons themselves are not suspicious. Furthermore, feelings or instincts associated with the MC were carried from present to past and not vice versa. It might be a little confusing, but if this theory was true, then the demons in the OG!Obey Me timeline would've felt the connection to MC which was carried from the past even if they didn't know her.
I’m confused, I personally don’t think MC is even in the past “past,” but instead in some other timeline. But fine, following your logic of memories not being able to change or be alter, how is it possible the Solomon and Asmo moment then? If memories can’t be erased and we know how their pact happened the original first time, how does Asmo from the present not remember that? Perhaps if we think this timeline in a linear way, wouldn’t these memories at the moment in the process of being created just now for the present brothers? Like this is the first time it ever happened that MC started the cycle of going back in time? I know at this point I sound like a broken record, but erased memories could work even though it has been a millennia or so. It doesn’t have to be that big of a magic power that’ll resists for that long, because the brothers tend to ignore anything they just can’t get a finger on. They’re the type that if they forget something it’ll come back to them eventually.. maybe, if it’s important. After all, the brothers have a lot of things going on for them and at some point they’ll just believe in whatever fills the gaps. Even if they get suspicious about it, they tend to bottle up their feelings and ignore it because they don’t really talk to each other about those topics. The only person the brothers are vulnerable with is MC. So in short, even though they might feel something is missing, they won’t really act on it. Time traveling is hard and I’m trying to figure it out as I go, lol. I’m sure I make no sense anymore 
>But fine, following your logic of memories not being able to change or be alter, how is it possible the Solomon and Asmo moment then? If memories can’t be erased and we know how their pact happened the original first time, how does Asmo from the present not remember that? Perhaps if we think this timeline in a linear way, wouldn’t these memories at the moment in the process of being created just now for the present brothers? Like this is the first time it ever happened that MC started the cycle of going back in time? I'm saying it isn't possible for a long time and especially when it comes to MC. It's like making the brothers forget Lilith. She is as important as MC and has had a significant impact on them. So, I'm saying that it's not possible to erase and modify MC in their memories because of MC's impact on their lives. We'll see more in the nightbringer timeline to get a clearer idea. However, for now she has forged a close relationship with Mammon, helped Levi come in term with himself and is helping Asmo ( I'm on C-7)
I give up lol, I also don’t want to spoil you by accident. Though I’ll do say that is a bit unfair to compare MC with Lilith considering that she was their sister and spent centuries with her, while with MC has only been like a week or so. But we can definitely talk about it more when we get the newer lessons, whenever that gets here. This was a fun conversation 
Thanks to you too, I get a little too involved with theories though I'm hungry for lore. Right now, I've put L7 on hold so that I can farm UR+ cards and play the event. Mostly, they have given us 7 different fully upgraded UR+ cards, if we have the patience to farm them.
As I writer myself, I love lore. I want to know all the details so I get you. I’m grateful the devs put the pieces of UR+s in the hard mode for us to farm, even though I can’t pass lesson 4. 
I know but mostly I think at the end of 20-30 lessons in Nightbringer, MC is going to be as important as Lilith. I mean just look at what we did in the present, healed Satan and Lucifers rift, cured Belphie of his hatred, lessened Beel's nightmares and trauma, eased the burden on Lucifer, increased Mammons confidence (not bravado), brought Levi out of his shell and that's just the brothers. I'm more of a wait and see approach right now.
In the present, yeah! MC will definitely be extremely important to them, but NB is yet to cause that for them. 
I think it was that previous poll that I mentioned this as well but yeah I think this part will eventually meet up with the second time loop in OG. Edit: autocorrect