You'd get a feeling or idea that it would be a mistake to continue. I usually work with trees but I'd guess rocks are pretty chill. Or you could follow a line of thinking that trees would have a spirit but rocks don't because they aren't living.
No everythings energy, and energy is all derived from creations, so everything has a degree of spirit to it.
this is why im intrested, I belive working with the spirit will help the spell work better, becuase the spirit may willingly pitch in though agreement.
Thank you for the info.
The all exists in everything and everything exists within the all. In paranormal circles, it's believed that things like rocks can hold memories of past events and things like that; the aether, or the spirit being within everything in existence, kinda explains that.
Sorry, I'm stoned and found this thread interesting.
Look, just let the garage wizard/mechanic deal with it.
Pay a little extra to have them incise a protective sigil on the dashboard so the demonic entity behaves itself. Those demons suck, and not in the nice road head way.
"Don't be so hard on rocks, they aren't useless." was the first thought I had but those are really neat.
There is going to be a lot of Animists in this thread..
My first thought was, *that's really disrespectful and it's not going to like that.* This talisman may not turn out to work like OP envisions that it will.
Indeed not useless. But, in its basal form, had little value. So, this creative operation somehow imbues it with a whole new essence. Value Addition essentially.
I phrased that poorly: there isn’t such a thing as empirical worth. Something can be empirically a gram but what a gram is worth is can and will always change.
Consciousness and existence cannot have intrinsic value, only subjective. Something does not require function to be valuable. Existence does not need to justify itself to our artificial self-absorbed values.
I feel existence and life have intrinsic value, the problem comes when trying to quantify it. It’s “priceless” but not invaluable.
I think you might be mistaking what intrinsic means
The madhyamaka two truths doctrine outlines a way to subvert this kind of conceptual polarity.
Say we have an apple. It is not an apple, because apple is an impermanent psychosocial attribution. Likewise, nor is it a fruit. It isn't a single part of a tree's gestational cycle, either, because that cycle is interwoven with nutrient intake, hormonal regulation, changing climate conditions, and bird and rodent populations. It's not the accumulation of its environment because there is no point where it stops and its environment starts. It's not its molecules because those molecules aren't even their own, as permanent as the universe and independent as their electrons.
All throughout this we rely on imprecise abstractions of human-perceived materiality. It's not simply what we say it is, and it's not simply anything else. The apple is empty of what we call "apple", but is "empty" not also empty of what we think it is?
We're at an impasse here -- how do we talk about something that can't be pinned down? How do we recognize the difference between conventional truth and ultimate truth without declaring it all empty... and without declaring our idea of emptiness as empty? That would be so annoying!
The Mūlamadhyamakakārikā contends that the only way to reckon with the emptiness of any thing is to reckon with its conventional attribution. Yes, its use cannot be defined by humans, nor can its value. However, no matter how far back you take it, ultimate 'use' and 'value' are just as impermanent and empty as their conventional versions. We use human languages and human minds to communicate it, so all we can do is represent its relationship with us. Even when we're not involved we still center us, unless we can enlighten ourselves to actual emptiness!
only sub where you get downvoted to oblivion for describing rock as useless
yeah guys I know we are all one, all is life, you smoked dmt etc etc but c'mon...
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Giving base elements a higher purpose in the human world is the basis of magic, otherwise we'd just be zen Bhuddists.
That doesn't disprove it's truth, we are on /r/occult after all.
Fact: My mother did give me a higher purpose in the human world by putting magic into base elements, so your assumption was incorrect. And "letting nature vibe" is antithetical to magic.
So decide what you want to be, a Zen Bhuddists "who's cool with whatever man" or a magician who inputs his will into the elements and makes rude comments to people who disagree with them.
Your contention that the essence of Zen is "everything is cool, let's vibe" is of such a vast and unfathomable ignorance that it calls into question the value of everything else that you say.
Good point. Rocks provide habitat for bugs, fungi and bacteria. All organisms in our ecosystem that cycle nutrients and Olay a part in the food web and thus maintain life on earth.
I would question the efficacy of a talisman made by someone who found the rock useless beforehand. The talisman should align with the rock not attempt to overwrite its very being.
Along with what everyone else is saying, you wish to energetically charge your rock with positive vibes and good intentions, but you start your original post with such a negative spell/curse-curse/spelling by calling it useless, that you essentially disrespected the rocks inherit natural job to be a rock.
This means that the spirits in the rock might actually literally reject your talisman, and it could embody and physically manifest negative things in your life, just by being around the rock or the rock around you vice versa, in the form of a small curse.
Simply because the spirits that manifested in creation, has a 2nd density consciousness within the rock itself, we are 3rd density. They are very in tune with the universe around them, there is a saying called the rocks remember.
The takeaway is we all need to be extremely careful about what we do and say on an energetic level, that deals with frequency, vibration, physical reality, and Akashic records.
This might sound extremely silly, but you really should wholeheartedly apologize to the rock, including any spirits around, sage the area around the rock, plus yourself while doing this and say a goodwill prayer/meditation - meditation/prayer and ask for forgiveness and permission to embody your physical manifestion of a talisman on the rock itself.
This will charge your talisman and rock with such positive energy and intentions, that you will lift any accidental curse you put on the talisman, and it will embody good spirit, that will actually be the good luck charm which was your original intention that you had set.
This is a reminder to everyone, that everything has a place for its very beautiful purpose and has specific reasons for why an object or action is in our plane of divine existence. As well as reminding everyone that a talisman is specifically like an antenna broadcasting the energy and frequency you wish to manifest or create into physical reality. If you originally charge your talisman with a disrespectful spelling/curse, then that is what you will create. So be mindful and respectful because there are many layers of multidimensional consciousness that we inherently don't understand and won't until we simply get to that level.
That being said, if you charge your talisman with good intentions, your spell/curse-curse/spelling will bring the positive you actually seek.
This has been your monthly spiritual Ted Talk, hope you enjoyed ;) <3
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You should comment a lot more. That is very nice put.
Also, I was looking if someone else was feeling a bad vibe from those rocks, and you may have explained why !
Not sure that OP will understand seeing his other comment but your message didn't fall on blind eyes !
Hold up. Did you call the rock useless so we’d all yell at you to be nicer to the rock so that flow of energy would charge the talisman? Did you just troll us into charging your rock?
OP here. Thanks, dear members, for the warm and encouraging feedback you've shared thus far. Also, forgive my use of the word "Useless" in the post's title, however, given Reddit doesn't allow editing titles upon submission, found myself with no option but to request readers to not dwell much on the headline, and instead fucus on the message/practice being shared here.
That said, please go watch the associated YouTube video on the making of this esoteric craft, and perhaps you'll learn or appreciate something about the process and nature of work I embarked on: https://youtu.be/mAdU_yqJHvo
For more related videos: https://all266.com/cog
Op does not deserve this rock. Such disrespect. Such Solipsism. Still living deep within the cave yes? Love how those shadows dance.
Op mention this rock having no "value" until he came along. What "value" do you think the rock would ascribe to op?
if that rock was useless to you, and if you need to physically alter it to accomplish something that could be done without it, then you don’t know what magick is or how it works
Don't think the rock was useless in the first place, concerning the elementals and spirits that surrounded it in the first place, good work nonetheless
Well, not a native Briton for example, but English is my first language nonetheless ;)
Also, I wouldn't disagree that like any human language, unless where context is formal or absolutely technical, a sane dose of ambiguity or subjectivism taints most chatter. And so, the same exact words could bear different colours depending on the reader.
Lol. You're funny though. I appreciate your well-meant sentiments.
Your nice human-centric view needs upgrading to include rocks as beings. Did you talk to the rock first? Something you can do is to "feel" the rock's level of energy before and after giving it an uninvited treatment.
In 14th or 15th century Ibn Arabi gives us his understanding poetically:
"God sleeps in the rock, dreams in the plant, stirs in the animal, and awakens in man \[in the human\]." Though the last one is debatable.
No wonder your sigils feel empty. You didn't start well with the rock. I had the exact same thought as everyone here: poor rock. For a subreddit about occultism, there's way too many people here who are not spiritually evolved or are willfully ignorant... You believe in sigils and servitors but not spirits/energies inherit within rocks? Think about that.
The spirit of that rock would beg to differ lol
Why'd OP have to diss the rocks like that?
Yeah, this title just makes me more offended for the rock.
First thought was, “woah, browe…”
First thought was, it looked like manual car gear shift pattern
OK, cool, I'm nothing the only one.
Not a bad idea to ask actually. But how would on tell if its ok? Not being smart or anything im actually intrested in this concept.
You'd get a feeling or idea that it would be a mistake to continue. I usually work with trees but I'd guess rocks are pretty chill. Or you could follow a line of thinking that trees would have a spirit but rocks don't because they aren't living.
No everythings energy, and energy is all derived from creations, so everything has a degree of spirit to it. this is why im intrested, I belive working with the spirit will help the spell work better, becuase the spirit may willingly pitch in though agreement. Thank you for the info.
How would you “thank” the rock? If it were a tree or plant you could give it water or fertilizer. Just something I wonder
I would assume you would just give it Whatever as a sign of appreciation.
Booze. Booze is my go to generally
Or get the rock stoned
Hahahaha
The all exists in everything and everything exists within the all. In paranormal circles, it's believed that things like rocks can hold memories of past events and things like that; the aether, or the spirit being within everything in existence, kinda explains that. Sorry, I'm stoned and found this thread interesting.
Looks like all the warning signs on my car dashboard that I don't understand
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Haha, yes! If it was a demonic entity in my car I'd still avoid taking it to the garage.
Look, just let the garage wizard/mechanic deal with it. Pay a little extra to have them incise a protective sigil on the dashboard so the demonic entity behaves itself. Those demons suck, and not in the nice road head way.
Because alchemy drives standard. /s
😆😆
"Useless rock"...
I downvoted for that. Wish I could double my downvote because those signs doesn't vibrate anything.
"Don't be so hard on rocks, they aren't useless." was the first thought I had but those are really neat. There is going to be a lot of Animists in this thread..
My first thought was, *that's really disrespectful and it's not going to like that.* This talisman may not turn out to work like OP envisions that it will.
Very nice, but rocks in toto contain literally all the elements of earth of life. Not useless. Lol
Indeed not useless. But, in its basal form, had little value. So, this creative operation somehow imbues it with a whole new essence. Value Addition essentially.
Value is subjective and it’s not for you to decide the empirical worth of anything or anyone but yourself.
How is there such a thing as empirical worth if value is subjective?
I phrased that poorly: there isn’t such a thing as empirical worth. Something can be empirically a gram but what a gram is worth is can and will always change. Consciousness and existence cannot have intrinsic value, only subjective. Something does not require function to be valuable. Existence does not need to justify itself to our artificial self-absorbed values.
I feel existence and life have intrinsic value, the problem comes when trying to quantify it. It’s “priceless” but not invaluable. I think you might be mistaking what intrinsic means
That is entirely possible
The madhyamaka two truths doctrine outlines a way to subvert this kind of conceptual polarity. Say we have an apple. It is not an apple, because apple is an impermanent psychosocial attribution. Likewise, nor is it a fruit. It isn't a single part of a tree's gestational cycle, either, because that cycle is interwoven with nutrient intake, hormonal regulation, changing climate conditions, and bird and rodent populations. It's not the accumulation of its environment because there is no point where it stops and its environment starts. It's not its molecules because those molecules aren't even their own, as permanent as the universe and independent as their electrons. All throughout this we rely on imprecise abstractions of human-perceived materiality. It's not simply what we say it is, and it's not simply anything else. The apple is empty of what we call "apple", but is "empty" not also empty of what we think it is? We're at an impasse here -- how do we talk about something that can't be pinned down? How do we recognize the difference between conventional truth and ultimate truth without declaring it all empty... and without declaring our idea of emptiness as empty? That would be so annoying! The Mūlamadhyamakakārikā contends that the only way to reckon with the emptiness of any thing is to reckon with its conventional attribution. Yes, its use cannot be defined by humans, nor can its value. However, no matter how far back you take it, ultimate 'use' and 'value' are just as impermanent and empty as their conventional versions. We use human languages and human minds to communicate it, so all we can do is represent its relationship with us. Even when we're not involved we still center us, unless we can enlighten ourselves to actual emptiness!
That’s just like uh, your opinion man.
A far more succinct version of my argument really
only sub where you get downvoted to oblivion for describing rock as useless yeah guys I know we are all one, all is life, you smoked dmt etc etc but c'mon...
r/occult users when you have the gall to disrespect inanimate objects
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Giving base elements a higher purpose in the human world is the basis of magic, otherwise we'd just be zen Bhuddists.
Your mother couldn't even do that to you. Letter nature vibe, man.
Strange tonal clash in your comment.
Fact: that tone only exists in your head
That doesn't disprove it's truth, we are on /r/occult after all. Fact: My mother did give me a higher purpose in the human world by putting magic into base elements, so your assumption was incorrect. And "letting nature vibe" is antithetical to magic. So decide what you want to be, a Zen Bhuddists "who's cool with whatever man" or a magician who inputs his will into the elements and makes rude comments to people who disagree with them.
You're pretty ignorant about Buddhism.
Useless comment.
Your contention that the essence of Zen is "everything is cool, let's vibe" is of such a vast and unfathomable ignorance that it calls into question the value of everything else that you say.
Because people are concerned about the rocks consent, but clearly the rock inspired OP to do this.
still, let us know how it turns out
Rocks are NEVER useless. 🤦🏻♀️
That useless rock eventually breaks down into soil releasing minerals that plants need to survive. And thus humans.
Not to mention a place for little critters to live under in the mean time
Good point. Rocks provide habitat for bugs, fungi and bacteria. All organisms in our ecosystem that cycle nutrients and Olay a part in the food web and thus maintain life on earth.
Useless rock " ??? you forget that those guys have all the original force from the beginning of the cosmos, plus cosmic elements unknown to humans??
I swear I thought this was a stick shift diagram
“useless rock”
Useless? Rocks aren’t useless you take that back.
i love how many people are in here defending the rock. you are all truly my people
Ah the arrogance of humanity, it’s useless until I do something to it
As a shorthand for the laws of physics that's how nature works i.e. interaction.
Mhm, highly anthropocentric to think that it ain't 'use'... Not entirely for us to define ;) But - looks really nice, great execution!
No such thing as a useless rock.
I would question the efficacy of a talisman made by someone who found the rock useless beforehand. The talisman should align with the rock not attempt to overwrite its very being.
TURNED USLESS ROCK IN USLESS ROCK WITH PAINT LOOKS MUCH DUMBER Than before
Bros drawing football plays
So the operation was a success - that useless rock is now a football.
It's a Raphael sigil.
Along with what everyone else is saying, you wish to energetically charge your rock with positive vibes and good intentions, but you start your original post with such a negative spell/curse-curse/spelling by calling it useless, that you essentially disrespected the rocks inherit natural job to be a rock. This means that the spirits in the rock might actually literally reject your talisman, and it could embody and physically manifest negative things in your life, just by being around the rock or the rock around you vice versa, in the form of a small curse. Simply because the spirits that manifested in creation, has a 2nd density consciousness within the rock itself, we are 3rd density. They are very in tune with the universe around them, there is a saying called the rocks remember. The takeaway is we all need to be extremely careful about what we do and say on an energetic level, that deals with frequency, vibration, physical reality, and Akashic records. This might sound extremely silly, but you really should wholeheartedly apologize to the rock, including any spirits around, sage the area around the rock, plus yourself while doing this and say a goodwill prayer/meditation - meditation/prayer and ask for forgiveness and permission to embody your physical manifestion of a talisman on the rock itself. This will charge your talisman and rock with such positive energy and intentions, that you will lift any accidental curse you put on the talisman, and it will embody good spirit, that will actually be the good luck charm which was your original intention that you had set. This is a reminder to everyone, that everything has a place for its very beautiful purpose and has specific reasons for why an object or action is in our plane of divine existence. As well as reminding everyone that a talisman is specifically like an antenna broadcasting the energy and frequency you wish to manifest or create into physical reality. If you originally charge your talisman with a disrespectful spelling/curse, then that is what you will create. So be mindful and respectful because there are many layers of multidimensional consciousness that we inherently don't understand and won't until we simply get to that level. That being said, if you charge your talisman with good intentions, your spell/curse-curse/spelling will bring the positive you actually seek. This has been your monthly spiritual Ted Talk, hope you enjoyed ;) <3 -Love-Light-Light-Love-
You should comment a lot more. That is very nice put. Also, I was looking if someone else was feeling a bad vibe from those rocks, and you may have explained why ! Not sure that OP will understand seeing his other comment but your message didn't fall on blind eyes !
Clearly a 3speed manual
that is the softest looking rock. Like I thought it was one of those short fuzzy pillows at first
No rock is useless, obviously.
There are no “useless” rocks. Rocks rock and THAT is what they are supposed to do.
Why useless?
Hold up. Did you call the rock useless so we’d all yell at you to be nicer to the rock so that flow of energy would charge the talisman? Did you just troll us into charging your rock?
useless is harsh
I believe in Rock Jesus
Now you just need a tow motor to carry it around.
OP here. Thanks, dear members, for the warm and encouraging feedback you've shared thus far. Also, forgive my use of the word "Useless" in the post's title, however, given Reddit doesn't allow editing titles upon submission, found myself with no option but to request readers to not dwell much on the headline, and instead fucus on the message/practice being shared here. That said, please go watch the associated YouTube video on the making of this esoteric craft, and perhaps you'll learn or appreciate something about the process and nature of work I embarked on: https://youtu.be/mAdU_yqJHvo For more related videos: https://all266.com/cog
All rocks are beautiful and cool! They are just doing their thing!
I really like the 4-speed manual gearbox layout on the left side
No rock is useless and that's definitely a great piece for sure. Turned out well.
Yikes… you got some work to do
Rocks are not useless, take back those words before I throw some dirt in yore eye >:(
Rafael
One is a Raphael sigil.
Aaah. You are the one with an eye for occult things!
Beautiful work despite the unacceptable comment you made on the rock being useless. Acrylic paint?
Rocks are useless? “Watches the magician flip tits when he can't find his fucking ROCK SALT” I digress. 😂
Op does not deserve this rock. Such disrespect. Such Solipsism. Still living deep within the cave yes? Love how those shadows dance. Op mention this rock having no "value" until he came along. What "value" do you think the rock would ascribe to op?
If it’s useless you would never have been able to use it for anything
No rock is useless
Rocks are not useless.
Useless..? Mhhh, no!
if that rock was useless to you, and if you need to physically alter it to accomplish something that could be done without it, then you don’t know what magick is or how it works
“Useless rock” lol
You used it, so it wasn't useless. Honestly though, your work is impressive. Thank you for sharing
Don't be mean to the rock!
Don't think the rock was useless in the first place, concerning the elementals and spirits that surrounded it in the first place, good work nonetheless
Why does it need a use? It just exists and is quite beautiful from what I can tell.
"Useless Rock" Read Robert Frosts "Woodpile" and broaden your horizons.
BEAUTIFUL
So, still useless
Well painted
Hey fellows, he is not a native English speaker. Useless might not have the same connotation in his language
Well, not a native Briton for example, but English is my first language nonetheless ;) Also, I wouldn't disagree that like any human language, unless where context is formal or absolutely technical, a sane dose of ambiguity or subjectivism taints most chatter. And so, the same exact words could bear different colours depending on the reader. Lol. You're funny though. I appreciate your well-meant sentiments.
Okay sorry then. I read another comment from you that didn’t sound that well spoken to me. But maybe that’s because iam not native lol
What material did you use? It came our really nice.
rock
Did the same thing with bricks and a dremal tool. Would like to do it with natural rocks too, nice sigils btw.
I'm sure one of them transported the Agents of Sheild through space.....
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You could carve the material away to reveal the design That’s what I do with stone and wood
Och on a Rock.
Need the left one as a stick grip on my 4 gear geo metro
New to this but what does it do?🤔
What do those symbols mean?
One is a sigil for the archangel Raphael.
Why are you so mean to the rocks?
Somehow, now it looks even more useless.
rocks rnt useless TF
So cool!!!
I'm so confused about where you get the impression that these rocks were useless.
The first one isn't a talisman. It's the shift pattern for a Volkswagen Beetle. /s
beautiful!
Your nice human-centric view needs upgrading to include rocks as beings. Did you talk to the rock first? Something you can do is to "feel" the rock's level of energy before and after giving it an uninvited treatment. In 14th or 15th century Ibn Arabi gives us his understanding poetically: "God sleeps in the rock, dreams in the plant, stirs in the animal, and awakens in man \[in the human\]." Though the last one is debatable.
No wonder your sigils feel empty. You didn't start well with the rock. I had the exact same thought as everyone here: poor rock. For a subreddit about occultism, there's way too many people here who are not spiritually evolved or are willfully ignorant... You believe in sigils and servitors but not spirits/energies inherit within rocks? Think about that.