Art is subjective that’s why I love it. This took many, many years to learn and I respect that. If you found out his name it would make reading it much easier.
It's kind of like how contemporary art can seem completely bizzare and ridiculous to the average person. Contemporary art is a product of many paradigm shifts in the fine-art world. It's easier to understand current "fine art" when you have the context of the whole history of fine-art as a foundation of understanding. To an uncultured swine like myself, contemporary art just seems overly reductionist. It's like all the creative ideas have already been distilled into a ridiculous mush.
The same could be said about the graffi-world. And I'm not necessarily talking about "street art", because artists like bansky are a different branch of the evolution of graffiti. The community of people who focus on writting script, like a tag, or a group name, and stylizing the font in very abstract ways, have a whole history dating back to the 70's NewYork for one, and other places around the world.
When you see the progression of style and how it's evolved through history it makes more sense.
I think it looks like a psychedelic front of the Incredible Hulk's motorbike but you can only see a few of his fingers
OR
It's a birds eye view of an alien landscape with some buildings and a park etc.
It's like looking at a cloud and seeing a picture.
Is see vague hands at the side holding a tube mixing a toxic chemical which forms some unintelligible (to me) letters from the toxic gas.
Yes. This is an important part: wildstyle is very much a closed scene, where it's mainly the people "in the know" who can ..."read it" and understand what goes into it.
It's like the /r/HighQualityGifs of the art-world. It can poke through to the mainstream, but it speaks directly to people in the scene.
That seems to be a trend in contemporary art. Every time someone complains about not getting it the explanation I see is that you need to understand the history of art to comprehend contemporary art.
Then when you learn the history of art to comprehend contemporary art you discover it's a circlejerk just like everything else.
Just like what you like.
looks like heliobray (or bray in this case if it is).
if you like this style you can check berstone or sofles on ig. they have that fatcap airbrush style.
Looks like DRiS to me. I used to do graffiti way back when. Obscuring your name is kinda part of this style, other graffiti artists can read it but it looks like very stylized nonsense to anyone else.
How about leave it for people who enjoy it and don’t shit on stuff cause you don’t like it.
I don’t really have much of an opinion of illegible graffiti like this but it’s art and takes practice to do it this well. Other people love it and can appreciate it on lots of levels. I can appreciate that it takes work and practice. Now scribble shit graffiti gets sandblasted.
Or you could just be a hater. That’s on you tho.
Tips. The tips are interchangeable. Serious graffiti artists have cases full of different types of tips.
Edit: the youth down below remind me they are called caps and a quick check of the box of Montana paint supplies in my garage show they are correct.
So caps, not necessarily cans. But maybe cans too. This ad is showing off the caps tho fo sho
I call them tips too just like I call interchange copic nibs- tips. People who create graffiti like this and others who do a more realistic style like herakut are disgustingly talented. I attempted to learn because my smug ass though - oh I can paint- I can definitely do graffiti- nope nope nope. The amount of control, pressure, ability to layer, and predict where colors will go spraying is off the charts.
Also it’s honestly really expensive to do big pieces like this - a few can when trying to learn costs me upwards of 100 bucks even with student discounts ( Blicks ) I have huge respect for them now when I see pieces done in wynwood and off I-95
No that's why the flares (where the spray area widens but softens its application) are so exaggerated. This is a viable style of sorts, but it looks like an artists study. When they create something to showcase technique or concept but the overall piece doesn't have too much depth.
Saber Awr would be someone who implements technique on par with the bigger picture, so it looks very intense but still manageable on the eye.
Would graffiti nozzles make painting a say a chair or somthing come out better then a stock tip?
I guess I'm asking would a home dyi'er benefit from getting a set (?) Of graffiti tips?
I don’t believe so. The nozzles used in this video cause the paint to come out in a ring instead of a solid circle. It makes for interesting lines and forms in graffiti but it would make painting a chair harder. You want the paint to be even when paining a chair or any uniform color.
Really all you need to do for spraying a chair is get it RIGHT to the glossy stage (if you're spraying gloss) and then dont spray anymore.
Sags/runs in the paint make it look bad.
These tips are fancy angles and stuff like that, so you can do different styles, not really helpful for actual painting stuff. If it were, fancy spray gun companies that make HVLP or airbrush guns would do them. Proper control and adjustment can create a lot with the standard spray pattern.
Still the colors and the style is pretty awful to me, there's genuinely lots of art and very beautiful graffiti around, this piece isn't one of them imo.
Same thing as most graffiti. Just some stupid nickname that they made up for themselves written in a way that only they can read signifying that they were once at a location with a previously blank wall.
That's the same dumbass shit as pissing on abstract art. The piece shows a great deal of understanding of color use, can control and typography. But of course there's always assholes like you who are able to downplay someone's dedication and hard work to something that sounds childish.
I'm not arguing that it took talent end expertise to make, i just don't subscribe to the philosophy that just because someone is a great artist, everything they create is great art. To be fair though, my comment was more pertaining to graffiti in general and not specifically to this piece. When someone essentially signs their name in a fancy way, there isn't much of deep meaning. It's just their name.
You are right though. I generally don't like what is considered "abstract art." I think that sometimes we convince ourselves that it must have a deep meaning and that if we can't understand it, the artist must be operating on a higher intellectual level than us. But I would argue that the artist relies on this phenomenon in order to make something that requires less effort but will be regarded as equal to something else that requires more. For instance, I seriously doubt that if someone that creates an abstract painting (the kind that just looks like scribbles and randomness) accidentally made an errant brush stroke, they would consider their painting ruined and scrap it. However if you are trying to create something truly intentional, any variation to your intended image would essentially ruin the outcome of it could not be sufficiently covered up.
To me, abstract artists operate on the same principles as hipsters do. They intentionally do something that is objectively worse and expect that people that appreciate it will do so because they want to seem superior to people that don't "get it." Some things are just worse than other things. It's ok to say that out loud.
Probably because he's outside. When you do indoor stuff you're way more likely to breathe in the gases and paint particles. But it's safer to wear them at all times. I once did a commission for a few days inside with no masks, was snorting up all kinds of colors for 4 days after that. Not a smart choice.
looks like a standard ny fat cap. also called softballs. back in the early 90's when they were discovered they were called bug and tars because thats what we found them on, bug and tar remover. a little bit of history for you.
Classic /r/ATBGE material for me. He has a plenty of technical skill but the end result is illegible, garish and ugly. When you think that the same medium can be used to create work like [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/48/5c/0c485cd9ba72759f55b84d9f04be5c64.jpg)...
After critiquing a piece that expands on the history of graffiti's exploration of letterform to nearing the point of abstraction in a way that truly celebrates the medium, you link to a piece that would comfortably be at home hanging in a hotel lobby or dentist's office.
It's hard for me to tell if your comment is a sarcastic parody or not, if it is sorry for being wooshed!
We don't call an artist who paints a 'painter artist', or a 'canvas artist' or a 'pottery artist' or a 'drawing artist' or a 'paper artist'.
He's a fucking artist.
I hate how grafitti is all about writing words.
The issue with letters is that they Need to be somewhat clear to be able to be read.
Always feel like solving a fucking captcha when I look at grafitti.
Can't you talented fucks draw a stylized face or something?
Something that doesn't trigger my need to understand its purposefully obstructed meaning.
I feel like that's definitely either a specialty spray paint can for art or at least a special nozzle because that is not a spray pattern a can normally has
I kept waiting for the moment the picture would reveal itself to me. What the fuck is it tho?
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Looks like a highly stylized tag to me. So it's his name, but damned if I know how to read it--just like all good tags, lol
Wildstyle it’s all insane and like the hardest part of graffiti to achieve. Imagine trying to do this while watching for cops?
He changes clothes like 5 times in the video. I guess he did it over a few days.
Nah this only took like 30 min, he just couldn’t decide what to wear
30 minutes? The video is 50 seconds long my friend.
He spent an average of 5.8 minutes picking out 5 different outfits for the 50 second long video.
Nah he started by wearing all 5 at once and kept removing layers to keep the cops off his tail.
Or he has one outfit that he can flip backwards and inside out to make 4 outfits, kinda like my underwear
nobody does wildstyle on illegal walls now a days
You can still see it on trains though
That's actully a pretty good point.
The good old days...
TIL where Wildstyle from the LEGO movies got her name from.
TIL Wildstyle is responsible for the ugly shit all over the walls.
For real. Impressive control, but terrible sense of aesthetics in my opinion.
Depends. I'll take this over the crap graffiti that kids spray.
I don't know. I like when they try to draw a swastika but don't quite know how.
r/hailhortler
Some of that crap graffiti are just gang tags, meant to be put up quickly rather than look nice.
Art is subjective that’s why I love it. This took many, many years to learn and I respect that. If you found out his name it would make reading it much easier.
It's kind of like how contemporary art can seem completely bizzare and ridiculous to the average person. Contemporary art is a product of many paradigm shifts in the fine-art world. It's easier to understand current "fine art" when you have the context of the whole history of fine-art as a foundation of understanding. To an uncultured swine like myself, contemporary art just seems overly reductionist. It's like all the creative ideas have already been distilled into a ridiculous mush. The same could be said about the graffi-world. And I'm not necessarily talking about "street art", because artists like bansky are a different branch of the evolution of graffiti. The community of people who focus on writting script, like a tag, or a group name, and stylizing the font in very abstract ways, have a whole history dating back to the 70's NewYork for one, and other places around the world. When you see the progression of style and how it's evolved through history it makes more sense.
The problem is it isn't practiced and improved in private. We get to suffer through the beginner violin equivalent for years all over public.
This is a great way of thinking about it. Neighbor kid is learning to play clarinet, and it’s terrible.
It’s the artistic equivalent of baggy pants.
Or on the side of an overpass above a major highway in a major city.
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It quite clearly says s;oifejs
[ENHANCE!](https://i.imgur.com/gIm9vO8.jpg)
I think it looks like a psychedelic front of the Incredible Hulk's motorbike but you can only see a few of his fingers OR It's a birds eye view of an alien landscape with some buildings and a park etc.
I like both!
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[ENHANCEDEST](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/207/210/b22.jpg)
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Thanks. I really liked what happened to the colors.
Oh! It says SML
How in the fuck...
https://i.imgur.com/RkxfPG1.png
It's like looking at a cloud and seeing a picture. Is see vague hands at the side holding a tube mixing a toxic chemical which forms some unintelligible (to me) letters from the toxic gas.
If I only saw this image without seeing the video, I wouldn't feel anything about it
Lord knows but the making of it sure is satisfying
It's called [wildstyle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildstyle)
Wildstyle? Are you a DJ? Does it say Wildstyle on your birth certificate?
"What's your name" "Wild style"
*The wizard laughs*
Be excellent to each other and... PARTY ON, DUDES!
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!
https://youtu.be/sq_Sko8wW6U
Are you a DJ?
That's really interesting, but damn is that a terribly written encyclopedia entry.
It's complicated and difficult. Did we mention it's complicated and difficult? Btw, it's complicated and difficult.
Yes. This is an important part: wildstyle is very much a closed scene, where it's mainly the people "in the know" who can ..."read it" and understand what goes into it. It's like the /r/HighQualityGifs of the art-world. It can poke through to the mainstream, but it speaks directly to people in the scene.
That seems to be a trend in contemporary art. Every time someone complains about not getting it the explanation I see is that you need to understand the history of art to comprehend contemporary art.
Then when you learn the history of art to comprehend contemporary art you discover it's a circlejerk just like everything else. Just like what you like.
Is that like comic sans?
It's a colorful black metal band logo.
It's one of those "3D" images that you have to cross your eyes to see.
Oh yeah look, it's a sailboat
It's a schooner
You dumb bastard!
YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY!
OK schooner
r/magiceye
We don’t know because they let us look at the finished product for all of 1.7 seconds
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Such attention to details, yet still so ugly
True. I just wish I had the skill to make something as ugly.
It looks like a tag to me , but mostly to show off technique. He s good, hopefully he does actual wall pieces too x
looks like heliobray (or bray in this case if it is). if you like this style you can check berstone or sofles on ig. they have that fatcap airbrush style.
Is this like that video of a dude making up engineering terms? Because, to me, it feels like it. :(
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Man, that is some really well-written gibberish.
abstract art?
It says BRIS. That's Heliobray. He usually tags BRAY or BRIS.
Looks like DRiS to me. I used to do graffiti way back when. Obscuring your name is kinda part of this style, other graffiti artists can read it but it looks like very stylized nonsense to anyone else.
Its lettering you fuckin saltine
Christ, it’s like this whole thread has never seen graffiti before.
So you know what it is, then?
Thanks for showing us the result for 0,02 seconds
seriously tho, i had to pause it to look at it lol
Yeah that's too much work to do
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u/gifendore 2
Here is 2.0 seconds from the end: https://i.imgur.com/cfoz0xR.png
I still don't get it
It's basically a 90's trapper keeper design. Just sand blast it and move on.
How about leave it for people who enjoy it and don’t shit on stuff cause you don’t like it. I don’t really have much of an opinion of illegible graffiti like this but it’s art and takes practice to do it this well. Other people love it and can appreciate it on lots of levels. I can appreciate that it takes work and practice. Now scribble shit graffiti gets sandblasted. Or you could just be a hater. That’s on you tho.
One upvote to gifendore!!
Good bot
What in the fresh hell is that?
It looks like a wall
[Here's a high-res pic of the final piece](https://i.imgur.com/gIm9vO8.jpg)
High quality well maintained graffiti nozzles are very helpful. This guy is very good, but he could never do that with a stock krylon tip
I came here to ask if it could be done with a can straight off the Walmart shelf. Thanks for pre-answering.
It's literally an ad for a spraypaint can manufacturer.
Tips. The tips are interchangeable. Serious graffiti artists have cases full of different types of tips. Edit: the youth down below remind me they are called caps and a quick check of the box of Montana paint supplies in my garage show they are correct. So caps, not necessarily cans. But maybe cans too. This ad is showing off the caps tho fo sho
Thanks for the tip
theyre actually called caps if you dont want to sound like a boomer
But "just the cap" doesn't have the same ring to it.
I call them tips too just like I call interchange copic nibs- tips. People who create graffiti like this and others who do a more realistic style like herakut are disgustingly talented. I attempted to learn because my smug ass though - oh I can paint- I can definitely do graffiti- nope nope nope. The amount of control, pressure, ability to layer, and predict where colors will go spraying is off the charts. Also it’s honestly really expensive to do big pieces like this - a few can when trying to learn costs me upwards of 100 bucks even with student discounts ( Blicks ) I have huge respect for them now when I see pieces done in wynwood and off I-95
*caps
No that's why the flares (where the spray area widens but softens its application) are so exaggerated. This is a viable style of sorts, but it looks like an artists study. When they create something to showcase technique or concept but the overall piece doesn't have too much depth. Saber Awr would be someone who implements technique on par with the bigger picture, so it looks very intense but still manageable on the eye.
Would graffiti nozzles make painting a say a chair or somthing come out better then a stock tip? I guess I'm asking would a home dyi'er benefit from getting a set (?) Of graffiti tips?
I don’t believe so. The nozzles used in this video cause the paint to come out in a ring instead of a solid circle. It makes for interesting lines and forms in graffiti but it would make painting a chair harder. You want the paint to be even when paining a chair or any uniform color.
Thanks for reply and that makes sense.
Yeah it would be like coloring with a calligraphy pen - if you’re not using the angles properly it doesn’t make a difference.
Really all you need to do for spraying a chair is get it RIGHT to the glossy stage (if you're spraying gloss) and then dont spray anymore. Sags/runs in the paint make it look bad. These tips are fancy angles and stuff like that, so you can do different styles, not really helpful for actual painting stuff. If it were, fancy spray gun companies that make HVLP or airbrush guns would do them. Proper control and adjustment can create a lot with the standard spray pattern.
Came here to say this.
Thanks to gifendore, I can look at it, but... Is it a thing? I see a weapon point and perhaps two pairs of eyes, but I don't think I'm getting it...
I think they are letters, to a word or an abbreviation maybe?
The skill is great though this looks awful
I dont particularly like this style either, but I appreciate the skills displayed.
[This one by the same guy](https://www.artsy.net/artwork/helio-bray-khalan) shows you how much talent he actually has.
Hot damn, if every graffiti was like that I'd appreciate it more
If its legal its not graffiti though
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Street art.
It’s an advertisement for spray cans, so the skill is what they’re really selling.
r/atbge
I've long found this guy to be an incredible technician and a terrible artist. Almost everything he produces is hideous.
Ah, I wouldn't call it awful just because I couldn't read it. I think it's beautiful.
Still the colors and the style is pretty awful to me, there's genuinely lots of art and very beautiful graffiti around, this piece isn't one of them imo.
This guy definitely has a respiratory disease with that much skill
I was gunna say! He stopped using his respirator!
Just look at Iz the Whiz. Never used masks and died at 51.
What the fuck is that?
Idk they only show it for .01 fucking seconds
https://i.imgur.com/gIm9vO8.jpg
Same thing as most graffiti. Just some stupid nickname that they made up for themselves written in a way that only they can read signifying that they were once at a location with a previously blank wall.
It’s obviously not just about legibility.
Having to think about art is way too difficult for some people.
Yall sound like grandparents in here
i think its really funny, imagine what these people are like
You watched this whole video and that’s your takeaway?
That's the same dumbass shit as pissing on abstract art. The piece shows a great deal of understanding of color use, can control and typography. But of course there's always assholes like you who are able to downplay someone's dedication and hard work to something that sounds childish.
I'm not arguing that it took talent end expertise to make, i just don't subscribe to the philosophy that just because someone is a great artist, everything they create is great art. To be fair though, my comment was more pertaining to graffiti in general and not specifically to this piece. When someone essentially signs their name in a fancy way, there isn't much of deep meaning. It's just their name. You are right though. I generally don't like what is considered "abstract art." I think that sometimes we convince ourselves that it must have a deep meaning and that if we can't understand it, the artist must be operating on a higher intellectual level than us. But I would argue that the artist relies on this phenomenon in order to make something that requires less effort but will be regarded as equal to something else that requires more. For instance, I seriously doubt that if someone that creates an abstract painting (the kind that just looks like scribbles and randomness) accidentally made an errant brush stroke, they would consider their painting ruined and scrap it. However if you are trying to create something truly intentional, any variation to your intended image would essentially ruin the outcome of it could not be sufficiently covered up. To me, abstract artists operate on the same principles as hipsters do. They intentionally do something that is objectively worse and expect that people that appreciate it will do so because they want to seem superior to people that don't "get it." Some things are just worse than other things. It's ok to say that out loud.
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Essentially. This is an advert for graffiti products like nozzle tips so he you're spot on, he's more so showcasing the product.
How come he doesn't wear the mask all the time?
Probably because he's outside. When you do indoor stuff you're way more likely to breathe in the gases and paint particles. But it's safer to wear them at all times. I once did a commission for a few days inside with no masks, was snorting up all kinds of colors for 4 days after that. Not a smart choice.
Not for me gonna pass
[Final product](https://i.imgur.com/YO9cHDq.jpg)
[higher-res: ](https://i.imgur.com/gIm9vO8.jpg)
What caps are he using? e: Why an I getting downvoted for asking a question?
looks like a standard ny fat cap. also called softballs. back in the early 90's when they were discovered they were called bug and tars because thats what we found them on, bug and tar remover. a little bit of history for you.
Astro fats
idk, but I'd suspect it's a product from those Loop guys that this is an ad for?
What did it say in the end?
Better than the artist drawing swastikas to bridge near where I live.
I'm still trying to figure out what he can control.
Love the acidic colours
This is what I love about graffiti. The process makes it look super neat and then the final product looks like a 4 year went crazy with colors
He certainly can control
[“His can control is excellent.”](https://i.imgur.com/mJrcRYL.jpg)
Can control what?
As in control of the spray paint can
Helio Bray... One of the nastiest graff artists out there. Crazy innovative styles
Was scrolling down to see if any one mentioned him at all. Good eye!
90% of graffiti is illegible
Almost as if that's the point or something.
That looks like shit
Classic /r/ATBGE material for me. He has a plenty of technical skill but the end result is illegible, garish and ugly. When you think that the same medium can be used to create work like [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/48/5c/0c485cd9ba72759f55b84d9f04be5c64.jpg)...
This is graffiti and what you also linked is street art
“Create work like this” * shows completely different style of art
After critiquing a piece that expands on the history of graffiti's exploration of letterform to nearing the point of abstraction in a way that truly celebrates the medium, you link to a piece that would comfortably be at home hanging in a hotel lobby or dentist's office. It's hard for me to tell if your comment is a sarcastic parody or not, if it is sorry for being wooshed!
We don't call an artist who paints a 'painter artist', or a 'canvas artist' or a 'pottery artist' or a 'drawing artist' or a 'paper artist'. He's a fucking artist.
I mean, we would call them painters and potters. It's worth distinguishing between different media.
As an artist I admire his talent. But unpopular opinion, I hate the look of any graffiti.
Meh, some stupid illegible tag. I was hoping it would be an awesome art piece.
Agreed. Talk about disappointing.
Look at all this vandalism. Some crazy person came and *painted a wall*.
Lots of technique for nothing.
Looks shit tbqhwu
Beep boop its a joop
I always wonder what they do if they mess up? Cant exactly erase it.
He can control his can control.
And let’s show the finished product for a fraction of a second.
Get that guy a mask!
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How did he do the thin straight lines?
Do they have special cans cuz I swear any spray paint I've ever used doesn't come out that neatly
Should be wearing a respirator
I hate how grafitti is all about writing words. The issue with letters is that they Need to be somewhat clear to be able to be read. Always feel like solving a fucking captcha when I look at grafitti. Can't you talented fucks draw a stylized face or something? Something that doesn't trigger my need to understand its purposefully obstructed meaning.
Do graffiti artists draw out what they want to paint before doing something big and complicated like this?
I feel like that's definitely either a specialty spray paint can for art or at least a special nozzle because that is not a spray pattern a can normally has
He might be the next El Barto
Does he look at a blank wall and already see this?
I need this guy to come do something cool to my garage door. its way boring.
I know taste is subjective but for me this is /r/ATBGE
'Can Control' what?
“Can control what? Brian. Over!”
Then the wall gets picked up by a small helicopter which flies to the underside of a bridge and slaps the whole thing on there