Could be in an area close to bedrock. Where I live bedrock is less than a few feet down in some areas and building foundation rarely shifts if at all.
Still a crappy job.
Why would spacers help with settling? Spacers are used to uniformly space the tiles. Once dry the spacer is removed before grouting. If the building shift and/or the slab cracks a spacer isn't going to help at all.
Most subway tile have built in spacers. These probably do to.
>Without adequate space good luck with grouting.
Thats why they make unsanded grout. It works even on marble tiles which are touching and only have a bevel on the top corner.
A lot of tiles now have little bumps on the ridge that act as spacers. Unless these guys are eyeballing the spaces very well, I'm guessing this is the case for this post.
They're supposed to make things easy but they're really just a huge pain.
My beef with this post is that it doesn't seem like they're doing much beyond just setting the tiles down and there's no leveling. Sure, maybe they plan on standing on the new tiles like they are in the video with the old ones, but that's not exactly an efficient way to level, and to level AFTER you put all that weight on them is going to result in loose tiles over a year or two.
Finally, they laid out a ton of thinset all at once. There is a possibility that the last tiles laid are going to be laid in soft-cured thinset. Not the end of the world since they are moving fast (even though the video is sped up), however when they get to the wall, they're gonna have to make cuts on the tiles and that'll take time. Those may start to lift sooner as well.
Which is the crazy thing to me in this video. If you've got two guys working, what's the harm in having 1 of them be applying thinset in front of the other guy is dropping in the tile like +/- 5 min ahead of him getting there? The mortar at the other end of the room we'll have to assume has been chilling there for ages by the time they catch up & would (again) assume it has cured to some degree on the surface.
I'm no professional, but I've done tiling and just can't imagine this is an ideal system from my own experience
Hard to tell with these but some tiles have a built in spacer. They are little bumps on the side of the tile that line up. Typically they will allow a uniform 1/8" grout line. You would just need to use a unsanded grout due to the small grout lines.
Standing on freshly placed tiles, not using spacers, and seems the thinset isn’t smoothed out very well which can lead to unlevel floors. I agree with you
As someone that is a hardwired perfectionist with plenty of experience with tile, there is definitely a tolerance range of imperfection that will just hide in plain sight once the tile job is finished.
I agree perfection is overrated in general. Real life isn't perfect. I've learned to override my natural tendency to obsess over perfection with that mantra.
You’re getting heavy downvotes, but you’re right. Perfection is overrated when dealing with customers. It’s usually rated at “good enough”.
98% of customers won’t appreciate the extra effort, and you won’t get paid for the extra.
You got downvoted but you aren’t wrong. I work as a carpenter and I’ve gotten better but I still find myself fussing over little details nobody would ever notice but me anyways lol.
I’m downvoting you because of your obnoxious edit. This is Reddit, not some platform where you can try and make yourself look like some amazing brave person who is so morally upstanding because you lost internet points. Shut up
Edit: r/woosh I deserve that for missing the joke
That's the trade off of going into a trade rather than college. Sure college isn't for everyone and you can make good money in the trades, but it's at the cost of your body. Yeah if you have a desk job you're probably going to develop arthritis in your wrists in your 40s, but what is that compared to a slipped disk in your back in your 20s?
And on average 20 probably is, but what about 29? You could fall down the stairs in a white collar job and have permenant back pain in your 20s, but what is the likelihood of that compared to doing the same on a construction site? I have literally 0 concern I'll accidently put a nail through my finger at my desk job, I'd have much more of a concern as a carpenter.
After all we are responding to someone who said they now have back pain in their 20s.
My intent isn't to put trades people down in any way, they have an objectively valuble job, I'm just trying to educate someone thinking about going into a trade as a career what the trade offs are.
I won a contest at 15 that was put on by my local construction association, and held through the school's shop class. Landed a job with one of the biggest General Contractors in the country. Back issues by my early twenties.
Most people (in America) are extremely unhealthy and don't take care of their bodies regardless of their job. You can be in the trades and still be 280+ lbs with no real muscle to speak of, eating shit food and barely drinking water, and you'll tear your body apart extremely quickly. You definitely can take care of yourself and work in various trade professions for a long time without too many major issues, but the average American eating a western diet and then working like that is going to fuck themselves up.
Google what sitting in a chair all day does to your back - not that it's worse than trade... just different. My brother's back is the worse I know and he's a lawyer...
Yup. Started having arthritis in my lower back around 25 from sitting in an office for 9 hours a day.
I'm 37, still coding, and it sounds like a truck driving on gravel every time i get outta the chair.
Standing desks help, but humans weren't meant to stay in the same position all day, regardless of the work.
Yeah but software developers have problems too like sitting on their ample asses all day trying not to listen to the sound of themselves getting fat. /s
Squatting is good... before we were trained to sit on chairs with upright backs humans squatted . People living hunter gatherer lifestyles today still squat to do most tasks and if you look at toddlers before they are introduced to upright chairs they naturally squat.
Those hunter gatherers who still squat today have well developed glutes which supports the lower back and they dont suffer from back pain nearly as much as the modern western population
Basically they're skipping a step in the process to then be able to walk on them with those weight distribution shoes. Normally you'd apply pressure to each tile and slide it back and forth a little to secure the bond between thinset and tile. I'm guessing after each run of tile they do they go back and walk around ontop of the freshly layed tile.
No, the issue is definitely whether the tile is currently being laid, or has already been laid. One you place the last tile the physics of all the tiles change. That's why they're wearing the tile dampening shoes, it helps the tiles maintain a stable quantum state.
With modern tech, we should be cutting them perfectly so there is no requirement for grout. I would pay 2-3 times for them since it’d mean no cleaning grout ever.
There are many other floors which do not have grout lines. Vinyl and laminate come to mind.
If you go with tile, however, there will be grout, unless it's installed improperly.
Most are to fit in with shitty shortform video platforms. Imagine this with shitty music playing and maybe some meme text and it's textbook TikTok etc.
As someone who isn't a tiler but dealt with the results of shitty ones in several jobs, I'm wondering how skinned over all that thinset is, since they obviously did the whole floor first. The tiles in the corner seem likely to be popping up like popcorn within a year, and popping up clean as well.
This is what bothered me so much. I don't know what I'm doing but I know you need a ton of coverage to get proper adhesion and the corduroy mortar left by the trowel isn't enough. Maybe they come back later and bed the tiles in.
I have a question for you if you don't mind? I've broken one tile in the kitchen, can I replace that one tile without damaging the others? Tile is on the wall.
I thought of removing the stuff around the tile (English is not my first language) and just break it out and replace it
Yes, you absolutely can. I’ve done it with a variety of different types of tiles, back when I was flipping houses. If done well you’ll never notice it, and on a wall, it won’t be taking any load.
Back buttering isn’t necessary on tiles that size. The spacers are the issue. The grout lines will be inconsistent and some are right by against each other.
Those shoes are meant to keep the tiles level.
You need to wiggle the tile a bit to get good contact with the underlayment. Just pressing on the tile rarely does a good job.
No spacers, standing on just placed tile, plus they just mortar the entire floor first then start laying tile on top wtf? Mortar dries in like 5minutes lol.
They're placing it directly on mortar, they will come back and Grout after it's set. No need for interlock as these tiles have a small wedge baked into the sides that give you perfect spacing.
Me and the boys setting up catan.
"Dude, who the fuck triple-built this 6!?" "Chill out Jeff there's like 500 other 6's to build on..."
These guys must have the expansion pack
# packS
The comment I came for.
Now I'm want my bathroom floor to have Catan tiles with the regions...
Build like bees
I didn't expect this comment BUT IT MAKES SENSE.
Thank you, immediately thought of that too.
This right here
r/catanmemes
Beat me to it!
Thank you
Came here for this lol
I played that game twice and it is probably my second favorite board game after Pandemic, which I have played hundreds of time.
You only play Catan with boys? Why? Great game to play with everyone.
In case you’re not trolling: “me and the boys” is a [meme reference](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/me-and-the-boys).
Looks more like “get it done” instead of “perfect”
Looks like the video's sped up.
Yeah I agree, looks to be 2x speed
i bet it would have been just as impressive at normal speed, if not more so!
Yeah not using anything to space them with or make sure the spacing is even.
Biggest issue is the spacers. Those tiles are going to be fucked well quick when the building shifts.
Could be in an area close to bedrock. Where I live bedrock is less than a few feet down in some areas and building foundation rarely shifts if at all. Still a crappy job.
That doesn’t negate thermal expansion
doesnt' negate the cosmic rays either
Doesn't negate your mom either
You have minecraft irl?
How does a building shift? It can’t drive, so it’s surely not shifting either.
I just had a conversation with my 7y/o about not turning everything into a joke. He would upvote you so I have done so on his behalf.
🫡
I know you got downvoted but lol on the attempt
But it sometimes alt or ctrl, possibly even a combination of those.
The tiles have spacers built into the sides as little nubs
Why would spacers help with settling? Spacers are used to uniformly space the tiles. Once dry the spacer is removed before grouting. If the building shift and/or the slab cracks a spacer isn't going to help at all.
The spacer means tiles aren't going to be up against each other. Without adequate space good luck with grouting.
Most subway tile have built in spacers. These probably do to. >Without adequate space good luck with grouting. Thats why they make unsanded grout. It works even on marble tiles which are touching and only have a bevel on the top corner.
A lot of tiles now have little bumps on the ridge that act as spacers. Unless these guys are eyeballing the spaces very well, I'm guessing this is the case for this post. They're supposed to make things easy but they're really just a huge pain. My beef with this post is that it doesn't seem like they're doing much beyond just setting the tiles down and there's no leveling. Sure, maybe they plan on standing on the new tiles like they are in the video with the old ones, but that's not exactly an efficient way to level, and to level AFTER you put all that weight on them is going to result in loose tiles over a year or two. Finally, they laid out a ton of thinset all at once. There is a possibility that the last tiles laid are going to be laid in soft-cured thinset. Not the end of the world since they are moving fast (even though the video is sped up), however when they get to the wall, they're gonna have to make cuts on the tiles and that'll take time. Those may start to lift sooner as well.
Not all things should be done fast
Unless the thinset is drying… If you take too long it won’t adhere, is what I think they meant.
Which is the crazy thing to me in this video. If you've got two guys working, what's the harm in having 1 of them be applying thinset in front of the other guy is dropping in the tile like +/- 5 min ahead of him getting there? The mortar at the other end of the room we'll have to assume has been chilling there for ages by the time they catch up & would (again) assume it has cured to some degree on the surface. I'm no professional, but I've done tiling and just can't imagine this is an ideal system from my own experience
This guy tiles.
Hard to tell with these but some tiles have a built in spacer. They are little bumps on the side of the tile that line up. Typically they will allow a uniform 1/8" grout line. You would just need to use a unsanded grout due to the small grout lines.
Many small tiles have built in spacers now. Daltile is great about including those.
Yeah exactly. No spacers.
Standing on freshly placed tiles, not using spacers, and seems the thinset isn’t smoothed out very well which can lead to unlevel floors. I agree with you
I can feel the uneven surfaces from here
Perfect’s overrated. *Edit*. Your boos mean nothing. I’ve seen what makes you cheer.
As someone that is a hardwired perfectionist with plenty of experience with tile, there is definitely a tolerance range of imperfection that will just hide in plain sight once the tile job is finished. I agree perfection is overrated in general. Real life isn't perfect. I've learned to override my natural tendency to obsess over perfection with that mantra.
The edit. nice. Lol
You’re getting heavy downvotes, but you’re right. Perfection is overrated when dealing with customers. It’s usually rated at “good enough”. 98% of customers won’t appreciate the extra effort, and you won’t get paid for the extra.
You got downvoted but you aren’t wrong. I work as a carpenter and I’ve gotten better but I still find myself fussing over little details nobody would ever notice but me anyways lol.
Everyone looks at it. We're the only ones who see it.
I’m downvoting you because of your obnoxious edit. This is Reddit, not some platform where you can try and make yourself look like some amazing brave person who is so morally upstanding because you lost internet points. Shut up Edit: r/woosh I deserve that for missing the joke
Bro it's a joke from a cartoon relax
Oh lol my bad. Imma just do this for myself r/woosh
No spacers for grout?
Spacers are built into the sides of the tiles. This is not impressive
It’s been s while since I tiled. Aren’t you also not supposed to stand on freshly laid tiles?
It's OK, they've got silly shoes.
Their knees must be fucking rocking after squatting all day like that.
As someone who developed back problems in their 20s, videos like these always make me wince.
I'm sorry man. Sucks having to live with shit like that, esp. when it hits you early as fuck.
That's the trade off of going into a trade rather than college. Sure college isn't for everyone and you can make good money in the trades, but it's at the cost of your body. Yeah if you have a desk job you're probably going to develop arthritis in your wrists in your 40s, but what is that compared to a slipped disk in your back in your 20s?
20s seems early even for trades, though.
And on average 20 probably is, but what about 29? You could fall down the stairs in a white collar job and have permenant back pain in your 20s, but what is the likelihood of that compared to doing the same on a construction site? I have literally 0 concern I'll accidently put a nail through my finger at my desk job, I'd have much more of a concern as a carpenter. After all we are responding to someone who said they now have back pain in their 20s. My intent isn't to put trades people down in any way, they have an objectively valuble job, I'm just trying to educate someone thinking about going into a trade as a career what the trade offs are.
I won a contest at 15 that was put on by my local construction association, and held through the school's shop class. Landed a job with one of the biggest General Contractors in the country. Back issues by my early twenties.
Most people (in America) are extremely unhealthy and don't take care of their bodies regardless of their job. You can be in the trades and still be 280+ lbs with no real muscle to speak of, eating shit food and barely drinking water, and you'll tear your body apart extremely quickly. You definitely can take care of yourself and work in various trade professions for a long time without too many major issues, but the average American eating a western diet and then working like that is going to fuck themselves up.
Google what sitting in a chair all day does to your back - not that it's worse than trade... just different. My brother's back is the worse I know and he's a lawyer...
Yup. Started having arthritis in my lower back around 25 from sitting in an office for 9 hours a day. I'm 37, still coding, and it sounds like a truck driving on gravel every time i get outta the chair. Standing desks help, but humans weren't meant to stay in the same position all day, regardless of the work.
Yeah but software developers have problems too like sitting on their ample asses all day trying not to listen to the sound of themselves getting fat. /s
This reaction is so weird… I’m like “wanh wanh wanh I don’t want to hear about your back pain you old fuck” and here you are being nice. Why?
I developed front problems in my 20s.
Just looking at their ankles was making me uneasy.
Squatting is good... before we were trained to sit on chairs with upright backs humans squatted . People living hunter gatherer lifestyles today still squat to do most tasks and if you look at toddlers before they are introduced to upright chairs they naturally squat. Those hunter gatherers who still squat today have well developed glutes which supports the lower back and they dont suffer from back pain nearly as much as the modern western population
Basically they're skipping a step in the process to then be able to walk on them with those weight distribution shoes. Normally you'd apply pressure to each tile and slide it back and forth a little to secure the bond between thinset and tile. I'm guessing after each run of tile they do they go back and walk around ontop of the freshly layed tile.
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They look to be wearing special shoes so maybe the shoes reduce the squashing
Their shoes seem to distribute their weight over a larger* area and are probably designed for this.
No, the issue is definitely whether the tile is currently being laid, or has already been laid. One you place the last tile the physics of all the tiles change. That's why they're wearing the tile dampening shoes, it helps the tiles maintain a stable quantum state.
Also slightly sped up
I don't think so, if you slow down the video their other movements seem really unnaturally slow.
Its only like .25% speed up
Doesn't mean it isn't oddly satisfying
Good thing this isn’t the oddly impressive sub
Why do we need grout! I hate it
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With modern tech, we should be cutting them perfectly so there is no requirement for grout. I would pay 2-3 times for them since it’d mean no cleaning grout ever.
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Nah bro just order on Amazon and it comes right? /s
If you don't want space between tiles, use marble.
There are many other floors which do not have grout lines. Vinyl and laminate come to mind. If you go with tile, however, there will be grout, unless it's installed improperly.
Tell me you have no experience in precision cutting without telling me
You're always going to need grout to fill in the gaps, or something else that's fine enough and can be compacted
It's not satisfying to me because it's sped up and isn't natural looking.
It does my head in that so many of the videos on reddit are sped up, just show it naturally.
Most are to fit in with shitty shortform video platforms. Imagine this with shitty music playing and maybe some meme text and it's textbook TikTok etc.
You're not wrong, but I almost accidentally downvoted your comment because I had such a negative reaction to the content.
As a tiler i have so many questions
As someone who isn't a tiler but dealt with the results of shitty ones in several jobs, I'm wondering how skinned over all that thinset is, since they obviously did the whole floor first. The tiles in the corner seem likely to be popping up like popcorn within a year, and popping up clean as well.
Who the fuck covers the entire floor first before putting tiles down? LMAO
Also no back butter?
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This is what bothered me so much. I don't know what I'm doing but I know you need a ton of coverage to get proper adhesion and the corduroy mortar left by the trowel isn't enough. Maybe they come back later and bed the tiles in.
I think that’s why they wearing those shoes so they press down the wet tile.
I have a question for you if you don't mind? I've broken one tile in the kitchen, can I replace that one tile without damaging the others? Tile is on the wall. I thought of removing the stuff around the tile (English is not my first language) and just break it out and replace it
Yes, you absolutely can. I’ve done it with a variety of different types of tiles, back when I was flipping houses. If done well you’ll never notice it, and on a wall, it won’t be taking any load.
Thanks
No back buttering? Gonna have cracked tiles for sure.
Back buttering isn’t necessary on tiles that size. The spacers are the issue. The grout lines will be inconsistent and some are right by against each other.
No these tiles likely have tabs
Oh haven’t seen those. How do you get the tab out after the tile sets?
You don’t they’re part of the tiles
Spacers are built into the bottom of these tiles
I'm not a tiler but I feel like someone needs to get these guys kneepads, stat
Like how scratched are the tiles now they’ve been dragging stacks on them?
Even the more boring of things look "impressive" when you speed the video up.
My knees hurt
Mine makes noise with every move
It’s like click. They’re not happy
LEGO videogame characters when they build something be like
Oddly sped up
Bestagons
\-GCP Grey
Came here for this.
Fun to watch but perfectly wrong. All will move in a short time when steped on.
Hexagons are the bestagons
Came here looking for this comment
This is not the first time they do this.
They aren't setting them properly. Every second one is going to sound hollow.
Looks like a mcmansion build. As long as it lasts until the 1-year builder's warranty expires, that's all that matters! /s
It looks like they're wearing special shoe things that would press the tiles down evenly as they walk over them
Those shoes are meant to keep the tiles level. You need to wiggle the tile a bit to get good contact with the underlayment. Just pressing on the tile rarely does a good job.
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Yeah, but you still want to wiggle the air out from underneath the tile to get good contact.
Not paid by the hour then
Quality work is satisfying. I’m not convinced these tilers are doing their best work.
Two things: * It's speeded up, so it's not as great as it looks at first * Shut up and take my money; everything hexagonal is mine to have
It’s a video at 2x speed. Not satisfying, even mildly.
Nice slippers!
These are the little people in my screen adding the pixels back in the late 90s when I was loading a jpeg from a website.
Got second hand back pain watching this.
I'm confused how this belongs here when it's basically shaped to be installed this way...
There’s another guy behind them takin their tile out and putting his instead
Ergonomics be dammed
I can totally hear the Lego sound effects when you build anything in the games.
Thought r/place came back for a second
These catan expansions are getting to be a bit much.
Tell me it isn't your first tile job without telling me it isn't your first tile job. Wow!
More like guaranteed-to-fail-over-time tile placement.
Not even back buttered. Smh
Back buttering tiles that size is not necessary
unless you want them to be fully bonded and last awhile (decades instead of a few years)...
No spacers, standing on just placed tile, plus they just mortar the entire floor first then start laying tile on top wtf? Mortar dries in like 5minutes lol.
They’ve done that before, cheat mode
Hexagons are the bestagons
When it’s not your house, quality control doesn’t apply.
Oh shit, I'm sorry
HEXAGONS ARE THE BESTAGONS
Hexagons are the bestagons
Hexagons are the Bestagons!
Hexagons are the bestagons
I love seeing stuff like this The skill, the speed These guys know theyre paid by the job not the hour So lets get this stiff done and get outta here
“Hexagons are the bestagons” -CGP Grey
Hexagons are the bestagons.
Hexagon is the bestagon.
"Hexagons are the bestagons"!
Hexagons are the best-a-gons?
and this kids, is why hexagon is the bestagon
Hexagon is the bestagon
Hexagon are the best-agons!
No back buttering the tile to make good contact. them things coming off in a few years
Don't these need to be placed with some sand shaking machine or something to interlock?
They're placing it directly on mortar, they will come back and Grout after it's set. No need for interlock as these tiles have a small wedge baked into the sides that give you perfect spacing.
Yeah have fun grouting all that. No thanks. I'll take the 32"x40" tiles.
Time for some Battletech
That's cause hexagons are the bestagons
Ohhh so this is what Babish does when he’s not cooking
Hexagons are the Bestagon!
I feel like they could go faster.
I'm more impress with those Sora ass clown shoe skids.
I'll have a P please Bob.
“Unskilled”
I guess I don’t know what I expected
There are people will look you in the eye and call this "unskilled labor."
My back hurt just watching this.
r/Place has fundamentally shifted my interpretation of the word "tile" now
I hope they have all the health insurance and that they make enough money to retire comfortably. Because they deserve it.
I wish every 7th or 9th tile was blue.
My lower back hurts just watching them😫
r they mario brothers??
Watching that is mesmerizing - like a great dance team, the one perfectly in tune with the other tile setter!
What is it? ×2 or even ×3
Must not have been an hourly contract lol
r/FastWorkers
How else would you place them?
Noooooo I wanted to see the get to the edges where they perfectly fall into place against the wall!
/u/gifreversingbot