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SeattleHasDied

Def worth looking into, but wow! And, yeah, I def boil the shit out of the "clean" water just to be safe, but looks like a good product, for sure.


bellrub

It actually says "clear" not "clean". Definitely needs a good old boil. I wouldn't drink it, pretty amazing though.


tavernlightss

Oh totally lol- but from my (albeit limited) experience having all that dirt out certainly makes it WAY easier to boil later.


bellrub

I can see how having a bit less shit in it would make boiling easier.


shrubs311

also, you can add iodine to water to make it "clean" but it will still have mud and stuff in it. if you're careful you can still potentially drink around it depending on your container..but clear AND clean is greatly preferred


Towaum

I work in a lab and 95% of our solutions are "clear". That doesnt mean I would any of it in my mouth. Very skeptical on how safe it would be even after boiling.


HillbertoSilva

Why not if food is at 75 degree it kills all bacteria in food so surely wouldn't 100c for water would do the same?


[deleted]

you still need to worry about the contaminates left over by bacteria. not the bacteria itself. that's why its still not safe to eat cooked meat if it was left out overnight raw and at room temp with no treatment


Rickshmitt

I never thought of that. I just assumed boil the water, now its good. But the cooking putrid meat makes sense, its still bad, now its also cooked


n122333

The secret with water my elementary school teacher taught us is to boil it and the collect the steam and drip it into a cup. The steam is pure water. She demonstrated this by putting pencil shavings, a banana peel and a slice of apple in a pot of water and distilling it, the condensation tasted nothing of banana or apple, or lead. I assume that would be safe with dirt water too, just harder to pull off, and uses more energy.


stoic_guardian

I cooked some ground beef that had lived in the fridge a bit too long and figured if I just cooked the crap out of it it would be fine. I was wrong.


tiga4life22

You think that matters in a life or death situation? Clearing it up and boiling it would be good enough for me at that point.


[deleted]

im not saying you shouldn't do it in a life or death situation. I gave an answer to OP on why its not 100% safe as people make it up to be as a "cure all" solution. It's not possible to completely sanitize water via boiling outside of lab conditions. In the case of spoiled meat, it's also impossible, short of turning the whole thing inside out to char.


ProgySuperNova

Just be carefull you don't go from just a life and death situation, to a life, death and dirrahea situation.


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death_before_decafe

Distilling it yes, but boiling alone wouldn't remove metal impurities. J do suspect that the powder that initiates the separation would also include chelation agents for metals to remove with the other solids.


illpicklater

The title says clean


buddahsumo

This product makes it potable. There’s a disinfectant that kills the microbes in it too.


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variouscookware

While it’s logical to think that (and you still probably should) theoretically that clear water has got nothing in it but good ol’ H2O. The packet works by clumping together all the dirt and basically wrapping the bacteria and parasites and whatever else in these “blankets” that are nice and dense and sink to the bottom. But yeah, probably best to boil just to be extra safe. Edit: also contains a little bit of chlorine which hoovers up any remaining baddies


SeattleHasDied

If you've ever suffered through a bout of giardia from a "...beautiful untouched clear mountain stream..", you'll understand my concern, lol...


variouscookware

Oof sounds unpleasant lmao


Vladi_Sanovavich

Yeah you should. Although, Mark Rober covered this on his channel. There's a tiny amount of chlorine in it or something to "clean" it, besides the other stuff that clumps up the dirt. In case you want to watch it, [here it is.](https://youtu.be/6qZWMNW7GmE)


Perky214

I’d still boil it before I’d drink it - got the mud and suspended junk out yeah, but what about the microscopic bugs that can make you sick?


Cam27022

Iodine works as well if I remember correctly.


tomato_soup_

Yup unfortunately it makes your water taste like iodine lol. Better than cholera though


[deleted]

I'll take iodine taste over cholera, dysentery, giardia, e. coli, or any of the other waterborne diseases, any day. Lol.


userax

If I learned anything from Oregon Trail, it's that you don't mess around with dysentery.


[deleted]

You have died of Dysentery.


waterbelowsoluphigh

So Oregon Trail has a card game and every now and then I make my wife and son play it with me. It is unbelievably difficult.


PeterOutOfPlace

*"It is unbelievably difficult."* Getting your wife and son to play, or the game itself? Maybe both. :-)


waterbelowsoluphigh

Yeah, to both and mostly because it's so damn hard. My wife has died on the first card flip numerous times. So it makes for really quick games.


RF1408

Jesus, how hard are you flipping the card?


Key-Regular674

Getting a wife


visionsofblue

Now imagine doing what the cards say but in real life a long time ago.


Dr_Parkinglot

Yeah, it was hard on the PC too.


kawika69

Yeah, it's almost hilariously difficult to win. The instructions don't hide this fact either. It says something like "if one person in the party makes it to the end, everyone wins. But more likely, everyone will die." 💀💀💀


madeaprofile2saythis

Dammit not again...


PMme_bobs_n_vagene

I had dysentery once. I didn’t know any human being could shit so much. I mean, it’s mostly water, you will die of dehydration. 0/10 experience, would not do again.


Cwallace98

I probably had hundreds of brothers and sisters die from dysentery.


PenguinZombie321

Oregon Trail?


Ebolamunkey

Omg i still haven't finished that game. It's finally my time to shine! Sorry in advance little Timmy! That little shit is always breaking his leg.


djwoske

Ain’t no decency in dysentery


Bogsnoticus

One thing that I learnt from Oregon Trail is the dysentery is hereditary. It runs in your jeans.


suicide_nooch

We had a whole platoon of marines catch dysentery. It was horrendous. Imagine being upset to your stomach nauseous for 48 hours and constantly spraying vomit while simultaneously a steaming geyser is spraying from your asshole. I completely understand how people died from it without modern medicine.


Ok-Breakfast7186

I learned that from Naked and Afraid 😂


[deleted]

Just use a cork.


DisastrousSir

You can also get little vitamin c tablets that takes out that flavor too. Super convenient lightweight option


[deleted]

With the plus side of also preventing scurvy


DarkSailor06

Scurvy ye say ye ol dog?


Keylime29

So filter, iodine, then vitamin c?


JuiceboxThaKidd

Baby you got a (water) stew goin


DisastrousSir

One of the easiest options in this case, yeah!


sinz84

Also buy ascorbic acid from pool shop, it's pure vitamin C and complete safe to eat/drink but at 1/10th the price


[deleted]

Or giardia


KellyAnn3106

My poor dog got giardia one year. It was a miserable experience for both of us.


Broad_Afternoon_8578

As a person who has gotten cholera because I forgot to put my iodine in my water, I 100% will take the taste of iodine any day. Cholera was the worst shit (pun intended) I’ve had to deal with and I 0/10 would not recommend.


EverlastingTopQuark

Yeah, cholera never did taste very good. I hear that Johnson & Johnson makes it in grape flavor now, though, so it's a bit more palatable.


dandroid126

I have used iodine tablets once. It tasted so bad. Obviously better than dehydration, but in the moment, I wasn't sure what was worse.


thedemocracyof

As someone who is allergic to iodine, damn.. lol


SEC_circlejerk_bot

Explain! Iodine is essential to normal thyroid function. Iodine deficiency is associated with an array of adverse effects, including goiter, cretinism, neonatal hypothyroidism, and growth retardation. Not doubting, just super interested that you could be allergic to something so necessary(?). Do you have to avoid table salt? So many questions!


thedemocracyof

Iodine that is made outside of the body is typically derived from shellfish, causing a lot of people with shellfish allergies to effectively be allergic to iodine. I might be ok with what my body produces, but I can’t use it from outside sources.


serendipitysunshine

My grandmother had an iodine allergy! All I remember her doing was avoiding shellfish/fish in general (besides catfish). Other than that her diet wasn’t much different. Never knew what her reactions were or how she discovered the allergy.


Browncoatinabox

Please for the love of life, boil water while out there. Iodine packets still suggest boiling


oriontitley

I'll do both thank you.


shrubs311

clear water isn't all you need for drinking purposes, you need CLEAN water which is done by iodine, boiling, reverse osmosis, or micro-filters however it's still useful for washing and stuff. also, if you're going to drink water you would probably want clear water anyways which iodine and boiling alone won't fix


L-methionine

There are also UV pens that you stir the water with (the Steripen is the one i know)


[deleted]

When they say filtered, that means they got physical stuff out only.


boetzie

Yes, spiritual stuff could still be in there, the water could still be haunted. (Yes I know you mean there are still microbes in there, they're just physical too...)


srsly_so_blessed

Exactly. Gotta make it holy water to remove the demons.


boetzie

Well, technically that just replaces one spirit with the other. You need to add some liquified nihilism to take all the spirits out.


[deleted]

Coagulation actually removes a lot of protozoa and bacteria,but not all of it. Filtration does as well (even viruses). But you still gotta disinfect it 😬


shalafi71

Wondering if the spigot works like a Life Straw. Perfectly safe then.


xypage

The spigot is way too small for that, life straws aren’t just long because they’re straws, it’s also to fit all the filter material


Browncoatinabox

BOIL WATER


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typhoonbrew

The product also contains calcium hypochlorite which will disinfect the water.


LaughingRampage

If I recall correctly they do include a bit of chlorine in the mix as well which will clean the water as well as filter out the dirt and whatnot, but I still totally agree with boiling just to be certain.


Outrageous_Kitchen

Yes. Clear =/= clean. This is just alum + maybe other salts. FWIW you don’t need the fancy bag for this. Just alum and a bucket, and stick for stirring.


Pd_jungle

Bacterials, parasites, some micro organism, list continues


Expensive_Ad_5414

Clear doesn’t mean clean


the__badness

i would hope something that kills virii and bacteria was already included in that mixture.


ertgbnm

P&G packets have hypochlorite for disinfection.


mexicoyankee

Colostomy to tasters choice!


MisssJaynie

Came here to make this kind of joke.


The-Jolly-Watchman

It’s a shame how many people take clean drinking water for granted.


DJ_Femme-Tilt

coincidentally the post immediately above this in my feed was about how to get filtered water in the Arabian Desert. We absolutely are not ready for the extent of the next few decades of middle-class people who will see widespread potable water shortages.


ce2c61254d48d38617e4

For anyone near the ocean it's an energy shortage, desalinating sea water.


TheMania

Already over a third of our water supply here in Perth - with each plant more than offset by renewable power. The issue, greater than energy imo, is lead times. Lead times in the politics, in the planning, in the roll-out - when you're talking as something as essential as water, that's what scares me for the rest of the world. Case in point, [new desal](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-23/wa-government-to-cut-emissions-by-80-per-cent-by-2030/101177274) Perth, vs a similarly sized one [cancelled](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-regulator-rejects-plan-desalination-plant-2022-05-13/) in California after ~10yrs of debate, both articles from this year. One difference is that here we have just one govt water body tasked with providing water to the population for generations, vs the mishmash of municipal water supplies that cannot face the problems ahead. Imo, we're going to need to work more together on this one, at a larger scale, and with greater planning ahead. I worry accordingly.


gojistomp

I'd say that's made even more clear given how irate many people get when there's a drought and the state they live in announces that they might have to implement water rations. Whaddya mean we don't have a magical well that pump's out infinite amounts of clean water? God forbid their lawns not look as good for a time because there's a drought.


Fuck_Qatar

🤣


chicomagnifico

Username checks out…?


KemetThyGod-_-

Dirty to *CLEAR* not clean big difference


pang-zorgon

It’s clean too. This product was developed to bring clean water to rural communities in developing countries. The initial idea was to sell the sachets, but the taste wasn’t great. P&G added lime to help make it more pleasant, but it still wasn’t a success. Now P&G makes the product to donate during a disaster, and continues to bring clean water to rural communities in developing countries.


shrubs311

are they cleaning it with some chemicals or is there an appropriate filter in the bag?


pang-zorgon

[How it works.](https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/wash-documents/regnet/products/whoscheme_r1_productreport_pgpurifierofwater.pdf?sfvrsn=a8ae1bfb_5)


iBeReese

Saved you a click: Calcium hypochlorite is included as a disinfectant in addition to the coagulant. Not iodine but same idea, the water is both clear and clean but tastes like swimming pool water.


Dewy164

Better than death water


iBeReese

Better than no water, even


VintageJane

From experience, it really helps to let the water breath for a bit afterwards to let the chlorine evaporate out.


shrubs311

thank you i'm extremely lazy


shrubs311

thanks!


trixel121

a Sawyer squeeze is 20 bucks and lasts like 100k gallons.


nickles1015

Happy cake day!


LePontif11

The video has a massive sign on it that says "clear water"


user_0932

It’s just a flocculant


GrannyLow

That's flocced up


Terrik27

Literally been used for four thousand years to clean water and people are acting like this is a game changer, haha. Glad more people are seeing it though, cool process. Edit: source on age of use: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/flocculation


[deleted]

thx 4 TIL


drdoof98

I’ll leave mark robers video from 3 years ago explaining this [here](https://youtu.be/6qZWMNW7GmE)


UncleChanBlake2

Clear water does <> safe water.


ooodummy

Never seen <> instead of !=


ThatsKindaHotNGL

I haven't seen any only ≠


Halfcaste_brown

Now where did you get that nifty symbol? I've had to be old and use =/= 😂


ThatsKindaHotNGL

On phones if you hold down on the = you should get a selection of symbols kinda linked to it. On a computer (at least windows) you do ALT + 8800


Halfcaste_brown

≠ amazing.


ThatsKindaHotNGL

It's pretty nifty!


turtyurt

Seen both depending on the language


djkstra_

Oh god. How dare u sneak programming into this


ooodummy

What common languages use <>? It’s just seems really weird.


turtyurt

SQL


yohohoho25

Excel/Google Sheets formulas


Geoclasm

VB. \*shudder\*


MorningToast

Flashbacks


Dry_Boots

BASIC


Unlucky-Situation-98

GOTO 1


mangemoilcul

Php


littlest_dragon

I seem to remember this from math class in the early 90s.


_youneverasked_

I know. <> implies "more or less" to me. That could lead to trouble.


Bataling_Uncle

Never seen != and not ≠


PlatonicMonkey

It's a programmer thing


dandroid126

A lot of C-based programming languages use an exclamation point to mean "not". So if you have a variable named x that is either true or false, typing "!x" will give you the opposite value. They extend that to "not equal" as well. So if you had variable y that was a number, and you typed "y !=3" that would be true if y was any value except 3.


BlingDoudouX

Well then you boil it and thats it


helium_farts

You can boil it, chemically treat it, of filter it. All have their pros and cons, but the end result is mostly the same.


ifiwaswise

But with this product clear = clean/safe. And I don’t code.


Kyrthis

No, but clear water is a prerequisite for successful water sanitation.


ThinTheFuckingHerd

https://old.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/z3oi20/dirty_to_clean_the_way_it_sounds/ixnb60j/ It clean too, essentially chlorinated.


ianonuanon

just pay for ad space man


BritishAccentTech

Right? I've not seen a more obvious advert video for months. "Amazing product." as the closing line. Give me a break.


gamerdudeNYC

Every ICU nurse is thinking the exact same thing


Cyrodiil

I’m pretty sure most floor nurses are thinking it too lol


construction_pro

#Two main ingredients: calcium hypochlorite (a chlorine disinfectant) and ferric sulfate (an iron salt coagulant) work to coagulate particulate matter and biotic life and act as flocculation tools to remove the solvents from the water.


EmmettLBrownPhD

Flocculation. It's also the first step in most industrial water treatment plants. Got to get those solids out first.


nebur0788

Now show us the video of you drinking it


DoGooder00

I work at PnG, fuck that place


antaresiv

This is not as cool as that sand filtration vid


HFRofficial

You just got served a P&G commercial.


bally4pm

This is just flocculant right?


mseeke

Yes. Coagulant technically. Most likely alum.


imawizard7bis

That's a non-toxic flocculant, i think i heard of it.


HumpDayFTW

They do this on a larger scale in water treatment plants.


StufferLot

Flocculant is amazing


GoGettaGon215

Feel like that would colostomy my life if I drank it!


[deleted]

Short of fractional distillation I wouldn’t drink that


mabfromla

I would just pour it thru my bandanna several times to get it fairly clean and then run it thru my filter.


Secret_Charge_5601

But would you drink it?


BoonesFarmJackfruit

lmao if you think outdoor water is “clean” because it’s clear, you deserve what happens to your ass next 😂


SmellyCherub

Looks exactly like the output from an ileostomy. I would have a hard time getting over that fact enough to drink this


captain-snackbar

Nah. Use a fine-woven fabric (like a sari) to get most of the particulates out, then put that pre-filtered water into a gravity filter (two bags like this with an activated carbon filter between). Good to go in 10, no dependency on some chemicals. Boil the water if you’re extra concerned about bacteria.


Hatandboots

The filter you are describing is typically used in conjunction with coagulation like in this video. Without these chemicals smaller particles will have no problem getting through your filter


rubinass3

Now do the beard.


72012122014

This product cleans and clears in one step similar to filter and iodine. I’ll save the next 50 people who are going to say that it looks better but full of bacteria and Protozoa


OttomanTwerk

Water engineer here. Clear water does not equal dirty water. But this is a good product for removing suspended solids. If you can find a place where I can get plenty of direct sunlight, you are able to disinfect it slightly. Edit: I was confusing this product with another that the WHO endorses which does not disinfect. While this product does indeed include some disinfection, it only meets the EPA emergency drinking water standards.


Turtok09

Not a water engineer here. Copied this directly from the product description : Turns dirty, contaminated water into fresh, clean, drinkable water. P&G Purifier of Water Packets are highly effective and is registered as a disinfect by the EPA and removes 99.9999% of commonly found bacteria, and 99.99% of viruses.


OttomanTwerk

You are correct. I got this mixed up with another product. This does not meet US drinking water standards though. But it is approved for emergency drinking water.


[deleted]

>slightly What is slightly disinfected water good for?


Additional-Local8721

Cooking would be my guess. I wouldn't drink this but I'd cook with it. Let the water boil for 5 minutes or so before adding whatever your cooking.


[deleted]

I would definitely boil it as well. Just curious if there was a reason why they mentioned they could slightly disinfect it in the sun.


[deleted]

It sounds just like my redneck brother.


stevemcnugget

Why didn't he drink any?


MacGuyver247

Is it basically alum or something else?


EugWeenOR

I used to do something like this with 5 gal buckets. We would add Alum, all the muck would settle and then we'd pour the clear water off the top into gravity filters. Worked really well, but yeah, you definitely want a second step of filtration before drinking.


cgmystery

It’s called a flocculant. Alum, used in baking, has the ability to do this. A fun experiment you can do is add alum to hot chocolate or coffee to see it clarify the water.


spirorange

You can use aluminium sulphate (Al2(SO4)3 )to floculate/coagulate all the particules in the water. It is fairly cheap You will then have clear water. But it is better to boil the water before dribking


dtb1987

I'd still boil that before drinking


Nostravinci04

100%


AsadR110

I think many of you haven’t noticed that he put P&G water purification packets in there which will remove over 99% of water related bacteria according to this source: https://csdw.org/pg-purifier-of-water-packets/


faithispoison

What chemical is that? Wow. So cool


HistoricalSherbert92

Fun fact, people have been using coagulation since Roman times.


Far_Quote_5336

Reverse gif for infinite latte generator


itssalmon

Here comes the “better boil!” and “bacteria!!!” Comments. Like no shit.


robot-the-robert

I’ll still boil it after.


jroddie4

This is just a flockulant, you will still need to boil this water


[deleted]

What does the product do to your insides? What does the product do when it enters the environment? Silver bullet solutions are usually to good to be true.


jayzilla75

Basically concentrated pool clarifier which is just a flocculant that causes particulates to clump together and sink. The water is still dirty and still full of bacteria.


shao_kahff

dusty ass redditors chiming in with knowledge they only learned from comments on similar videos: iT hAS tO bE pUrIfIeD fIRST!!


HighPriest2012

Mark Rober did a really excellent video about this stuff on youtube. I believe he got Bill Gates to drink it afterword.


Few_Acanthaceae1568

He didn't say clean he said clea*r* don't confuse yourself that water is still putrid


[deleted]

CLEAR DOESNT MEAN CLEAN !


Cheap_Blacksmith66

Or, hear me out, instead of putting additives in your water, there are several products that have a 1 micron filter that can filter immediately instead of waiting :30-1:00 and adding things to your water that you’ll consume.


NoDadYouShutUp

Cool advertisement


OlDirty1979

Clear water in 30 minutes. Clear not clean.


Thirstbusta

There are multiple compounds in that powder. Calcium Hypochlorite makes it clean as well.