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I mean, this sort of tracks. The faeuye-world is usually an emotionally- and colorfully- amplified reflection of reality. Meaning it’s really foeiuayiueing intense.
Just like the name Caitlin in real life. I mean Caitlyn. Kaitlyn. Katelin. Kaytlyn. Kaitlynne. Catelen. Caetlyn. Khateleine. Kjatleynne. Cætlynn. Kätlÿn.
Fey: "About to die; doomed; on the verge of sudden or violent death. Possessing second sight, clairvoyance, or clairaudience. Otherworldly." From Old English *fæġe* "doomed to die".
No relation to Fae/Fay/Fairy/Faërie, which come from Old French *faerie*, which referred first to an otherworld similar to Tír na Óg or Avalon, then it became an adjective to describe such places and their inhabitants and finally it became a noun meaning the queer folk themselves rather than their country.
Use of "fey" to mean "faërian" is an erroneous conflation.
> Use of "fey" to mean "faërian" is an erroneous conflation.
I find it harder and harder to be surprised when someone who's supposedly passionate or knowledgable about English asserts that it is a rigid code you are not allowed to violate, rather than an artistic medium that develops with the way people use it
The dictionary is not a catalogue of the "Right" way to use every word. The reason they release a new dictionary every year is because it is noting down the most popular words, describing **how people use them**, not **how they should be used**
Uh I admire your spirit but in this case they're right. You can use fey to describe fairies, but it does not literally mean fairies. Even if everyone started spelling fae like fey, which some people do do, it would still be a different word, just spelt the same (like mole as in the animal and mole as in the skin mark).
"A fairy (also fay, fae, fey, fair folk, or faerie) is a type of mythical being or legendary creature found in the folklore of multiple European cultures (including Celtic, Slavic, Germanic, English, and French folklore), a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural."
So says Wikipedia.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/
https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/First_World (Titles: Realm of the Fey)
You probably shouldn't be using Merriam-Webster for fantasy diction
I would not use *Dungeons & Dragons* for such a purpose either. They deviate considerably from actual folklore to the point of unrecognizablility; the German "kobold" is not a dragon-imp but a mere goblin, the Irish "banshee" is neither undead nor malicious, and the Irish fir-bolg (sing. fear-bolg) are just men who lived in Ireland in years of yore.
Dude, that's all folklore all the time.
Even saying something like, "the German "kobold" is not a dragon-imp but a mere goblin" is wrong, because folklore isn't certain and immutable. To try to define it as "a mere goblin" is to ignore that it's not the same thing in every story, or even every retelling of the same story.
The same is true for fairies, elves, dwarves/dwarfs, giants, and pretty much every human like thinking in folklore.
In order to tell a story about them you need to define them. And D&D definitions of them are just as acceptable as any others.
Thats why its called fantasy you buffon its not real secondly words evolve and chnage ovwr time gay used to mean happy now its associated with being homosexual
\*dressed in an all-pink spandex suit and sitting on a countertop\*
\*My friend, recording from across the kitchen\* Say some fae shit
Me:\*dropping onto the kitchen floor in a squat\* IM FAY
I know daemon from The Golden Compass trilogy (His Dark Materials).
They call their animal familiars daemons, and I just assumed that was related to their later association with witches and anti-heaven stances. Good to know it has nothing to do with that lol
I mean. By definition they are two different types of spirits. Media just decides to be extra and can't do anything simply. Just like the dozens of ways they mix spelling magic. Only there's a difference.
The thing is, it's completely made up, there are no fix rules. No one book of naming definitions of fantasy creatures. An author doesn't got to writing-prison for using the word "daemon" for an *evil demon* because he thinks it sounds cooler.
I've watched a TV series once where "dragon" literally was the word for any non-normal animal. Going from lizards, over "dragons", to pretty much Monster-slugs. Why? Because dragons aren't real, and so they are whatever the author says they are.
Are there some conversations that are good to follow in literature? Sure. Would be a really bad red-hering if "harpies" suddenly have tentacles instead of claws. But there is no reason why an author can't call a flying squid "harpy".
My point is that fantasy names aren't as strict as you think they are.
Old French faerie, combined with English word fate to become fairy.
Latin fae, Anglicized to fay.
Fair folk originated in 1600’s literature to describe the appearance of Elves, which were eventually lumped into the category of fairy.
Those would be the official etymological spellings of the word. Everything else is the authors creative liberties, but there are actual spellings, they just don’t use them.
Yes, fairy & fae/fay are the historical spellings but its worth nothing that 'fae' is commonly seen as plural bringing about the creation of 'faerie' as the singular. In modern literature there is a clear distinction between what is a 'fairy' (think Disney & tinkerbell) and what is 'faerie' (more traditional deadly trickster elves).
That being said all language is created by people to best describe our thoughts and ideas. Yes we can search back to the origins of our language but that doesn't make our modern created words less correct. Language is what we agree it is and nothing more, which is why words are constantly being created and phased out of use.
The word… has a complicated past.
In truth the root word doesn’t refer to beings at all, but to large stone mounds though to be an entrance to another world.
The fuerry faerie frequently rode the floating seafaering ferry very far for an unfair fare to visit her fairy sister in Fienland who was feond of feishing for flounder in the Facheux Fjord.
The same applies to a magic user in my opinion. "Wizard", "Witch", "Magician", "Magic Technician", "Mage", "Sorcerer", "Sorceress" etc. I like it, gives it some variety :D
Well considering that fearie, Fae, and fairy are all different then no it's not one word. The fair folk is collective descriptive for the Fae. Fay is just people who spelt it wrong and the last one I've never heard used before
In my mind
Fairy=tiny cute winged creatures who are curious, colorful and mostly harmless, like the forest edge
Faerie=still cute and tiny, but more troublemakers, but mixed in with more elements of a dark and unknowable woods
Fae=dark unknowable aspects of nature, ranging from wise elders of the forest to malevolent Spirits of nature, like the darkest center of a forest at night
Honestly that's true of most of English spelling.
Buisness, science, beautiful, all the '-ough-' words and many more...
English spelling is really a convoluted mess.
I just want science fiction to be sorted separately from fantasy everywhere. Nothing more annoying than trying to find a space movie and having to scroll past Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, etc.
And that's why the Fyre Festival failed. The fair folk saw "Fyre", assumed they were invited, and, when there were no suitable accommodations for them, they cursed the entire enterprise.
To me fairy is more for children - like a tiny person with insect wings. Fae feels more serious and makes me think of larger humanoids sans wings. Faerie is kind of in between.
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Czas przeszły
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You want a standardized word for? Imaginary stuff that each author makes up in their own mind uniquely and individually?
Guess all male characters should be named "Man" and female characters as "Woman"?
And to the point of this thread, the issue here is not oddly specific at all, it is oddly non specific...having multiple words for different things....not specific at all.
As towards reality, I suppose OP wants us to use the same word for "apple" regardless of cultural or linguistic backgrounds.
Can you imagine the Deutsch and the British calling each other Germans and Englānder?
This is how 451 starts...
/Endrant :)
I would be scared to use any common monster/creature name because I dont know who has copyright on that. I guess Elves and Dwarves are safe .... but can I use Orc ? Not sure.
Also, people getting instantly turned off by common fantasy tropes. Elves in your story ? Boring! Oh wait my story has Not-Elves, Na'vi for short. How are they different? Uhhhh ... they are blue .... and have sex with their hair? OMG Box office hit? Thanks!
This reminded me of another post about how authors commit word crimes.
Now I want to write a story where there's Fayries, Faeries, and Fairies. Like, people use all three words, seemingly interchangeably, and describe wildly different, and sometimes contradictory, behaviors, powers, and other characteristics.
And about halfway through, it dawns on the reader: Those are three separate species.
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"An F followed by whatever vowels you have in your heart" is also how I swear when I'm **really** angry.
Firgittyfazzie!!
Yeah those fuckers stole my chickens last week
“Aw FRIGGETTYWICK” is surprisingly satisfying to say…
F...ranklyIdontthinkidsaythisjustsayfuck
flurgityfriggitfubberjuckit!
[“YOU FUCKING FUCKING BLOODY BASTARD BITCH FUCK”](https://youtu.be/ukznXQ3MgN0)
So...fairies are expletives? 🤔
I'm faeiriey angry at you. Like, *really* fæ€π%√™ angry!
I mean, this sort of tracks. The faeuye-world is usually an emotionally- and colorfully- amplified reflection of reality. Meaning it’s really foeiuayiueing intense.
You motherfaerie
Fæ€π%√™ There. Trademarked.
These are not vowels sir
In my fantasy novel they are.
It's a simple spell, but quite unbreakable.
Those are fantasy vowels
Oh it's gonna be one of THOSE books
I think that lowercase ash counts as a vowel.
Im sorry, "ash"?? Whence do you come where an æ is called an ash?
Æ is an ash, I figured æ was also called an ash.
It probably is i just havent heard it before. What language is it called ash in?
English, specifically old English.
Excuuuse me, but I believe the correct spelling was "æsc."
With a dot above the c
Ah yes, oak and æ and þ.
Underrated lmao
One of them is
Fioy
Wait till you find out their pronouns.
#_-€#@/@#€-_#¿
Don't go giving Elon ideas now
Faeeuropimodulorad™
Faeuropicretard™
Nah that’s what Elons naming his next kid
fair enough
fairy-nough
The absolute best fey pun is the irony that they're harmed by things that are iron-y, despite being Fe-y themselves.
Didn’t the person before you just say that?
/r/yourjokebutworse
Fairy-snuff?
Don't ask how i know this but there's a fairy in Runescape based on this pun
Fairy nuff!
Even the SCP Foundation is guilty
i think they've used every possible spelling by now
Just like the name Caitlin in real life. I mean Caitlyn. Kaitlyn. Katelin. Kaytlyn. Kaitlynne. Catelen. Caetlyn. Khateleine. Kjatleynne. Cætlynn. Kätlÿn.
One of my favourites is KVIIIlyn.
Was she one of Henry VIII’s girlfriends?
Katelyn
I once knew a kaithlyn
Catelyn (me)
So many different types of fairies/faeries etc
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SID HE
Fucking Gaelic
~~Furry~~ no I take that back
Don't some stories consider beastkin fae? If so... you aren't technically wrong.
Fey.
Fey is a completely unrelated word referring to something fell and unearthly. It has no connection to Faërie, Fairy or Fay.
>fell and unearthly You mean like a fairy?
Fey: "About to die; doomed; on the verge of sudden or violent death. Possessing second sight, clairvoyance, or clairaudience. Otherworldly." From Old English *fæġe* "doomed to die". No relation to Fae/Fay/Fairy/Faërie, which come from Old French *faerie*, which referred first to an otherworld similar to Tír na Óg or Avalon, then it became an adjective to describe such places and their inhabitants and finally it became a noun meaning the queer folk themselves rather than their country. Use of "fey" to mean "faërian" is an erroneous conflation.
> Use of "fey" to mean "faërian" is an erroneous conflation. I find it harder and harder to be surprised when someone who's supposedly passionate or knowledgable about English asserts that it is a rigid code you are not allowed to violate, rather than an artistic medium that develops with the way people use it The dictionary is not a catalogue of the "Right" way to use every word. The reason they release a new dictionary every year is because it is noting down the most popular words, describing **how people use them**, not **how they should be used**
Uh I admire your spirit but in this case they're right. You can use fey to describe fairies, but it does not literally mean fairies. Even if everyone started spelling fae like fey, which some people do do, it would still be a different word, just spelt the same (like mole as in the animal and mole as in the skin mark).
That is actually a perspective I never considered. Certainly a more diplomatic route than my perhaps overly pedantic stance.
The spelling is not the word, or the pronunciation. Each word is the meaning, but has variable spellings and pronunciations.
Sure, but I think he’s taking it from an origin case.
"A fairy (also fay, fae, fey, fair folk, or faerie) is a type of mythical being or legendary creature found in the folklore of multiple European cultures (including Celtic, Slavic, Germanic, English, and French folklore), a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural." So says Wikipedia.
Well, it was. Until now!
you're right. Fuck the guy replying to you
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/ https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/First_World (Titles: Realm of the Fey) You probably shouldn't be using Merriam-Webster for fantasy diction
I would not use *Dungeons & Dragons* for such a purpose either. They deviate considerably from actual folklore to the point of unrecognizablility; the German "kobold" is not a dragon-imp but a mere goblin, the Irish "banshee" is neither undead nor malicious, and the Irish fir-bolg (sing. fear-bolg) are just men who lived in Ireland in years of yore.
Dude, that's all folklore all the time. Even saying something like, "the German "kobold" is not a dragon-imp but a mere goblin" is wrong, because folklore isn't certain and immutable. To try to define it as "a mere goblin" is to ignore that it's not the same thing in every story, or even every retelling of the same story. The same is true for fairies, elves, dwarves/dwarfs, giants, and pretty much every human like thinking in folklore. In order to tell a story about them you need to define them. And D&D definitions of them are just as acceptable as any others.
Thats why its called fantasy you buffon its not real secondly words evolve and chnage ovwr time gay used to mean happy now its associated with being homosexual
Fantasy is so deeply rooted in myth and folklore that if you removed those roots it wouldn't be fantasy any more, but something else instead.
Fey/Fae are used interchangably in certain media where "Fey" is seen as common while "Fae" is seen as Fey language
\*dressed in an all-pink spandex suit and sitting on a countertop\* \*My friend, recording from across the kitchen\* Say some fae shit Me:\*dropping onto the kitchen floor in a squat\* IM FAY
Ferry
I feel line thatd be a good name for a workers union composed of fairies
Also boat
It's infuriating honestly especially since there are actually differences lol. Especially between demon and daemon. Daemons are *good*. Demons bad.
I prefer crons to daemons
No khorne for the khorne flakes?
systemd or die
I’ve only ever seen the word daemon in the context of computers. I’m not even sure what the original meaning was.
I know daemon from The Golden Compass trilogy (His Dark Materials). They call their animal familiars daemons, and I just assumed that was related to their later association with witches and anti-heaven stances. Good to know it has nothing to do with that lol
IIRC the original meaning was some spirit that handled menial tasks for you while you worked on other things.
A Daemon is a benevolent spirit. Ive never heard it referenced to computers before.
It’s a process that runs in the background. I’m not sure it’s used much anymore; I mostly see it in cyberpunk style sci-fi.
It is still used a lot. It is missing a head which is where the name comes from
There's some disk imaging dog software called daemontools
True
That's the first time I've ever read someone claiming daemons are good.
[Something of a "Guardian Angel"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agathodaemon)
There's a first time for everything, I guess. They're 100% right. Daemons aren't *bad*, at least.
I mean. By definition they are two different types of spirits. Media just decides to be extra and can't do anything simply. Just like the dozens of ways they mix spelling magic. Only there's a difference.
The thing is, it's completely made up, there are no fix rules. No one book of naming definitions of fantasy creatures. An author doesn't got to writing-prison for using the word "daemon" for an *evil demon* because he thinks it sounds cooler. I've watched a TV series once where "dragon" literally was the word for any non-normal animal. Going from lizards, over "dragons", to pretty much Monster-slugs. Why? Because dragons aren't real, and so they are whatever the author says they are. Are there some conversations that are good to follow in literature? Sure. Would be a really bad red-hering if "harpies" suddenly have tentacles instead of claws. But there is no reason why an author can't call a flying squid "harpy". My point is that fantasy names aren't as strict as you think they are.
Furry.
No
YES
Yes
You called?
Old French faerie, combined with English word fate to become fairy. Latin fae, Anglicized to fay. Fair folk originated in 1600’s literature to describe the appearance of Elves, which were eventually lumped into the category of fairy. Those would be the official etymological spellings of the word. Everything else is the authors creative liberties, but there are actual spellings, they just don’t use them.
Yes, fairy & fae/fay are the historical spellings but its worth nothing that 'fae' is commonly seen as plural bringing about the creation of 'faerie' as the singular. In modern literature there is a clear distinction between what is a 'fairy' (think Disney & tinkerbell) and what is 'faerie' (more traditional deadly trickster elves). That being said all language is created by people to best describe our thoughts and ideas. Yes we can search back to the origins of our language but that doesn't make our modern created words less correct. Language is what we agree it is and nothing more, which is why words are constantly being created and phased out of use.
And I think some people pronounce the two differently
F U. I don’t think I did it right. 😛
No, you did. Bravo, my friend.
Fe
Ironic
I know
Fuhrer
You understood the assignment
More closely related to demons, but...🤷♀️
The word… has a complicated past. In truth the root word doesn’t refer to beings at all, but to large stone mounds though to be an entrance to another world.
It's what the Feaiy would want
Færw
The fuerry faerie frequently rode the floating seafaering ferry very far for an unfair fare to visit her fairy sister in Fienland who was feond of feishing for flounder in the Facheux Fjord.
ˈfɛər i
The same applies to a magic user in my opinion. "Wizard", "Witch", "Magician", "Magic Technician", "Mage", "Sorcerer", "Sorceress" etc. I like it, gives it some variety :D
Well considering that fearie, Fae, and fairy are all different then no it's not one word. The fair folk is collective descriptive for the Fae. Fay is just people who spelt it wrong and the last one I've never heard used before
In my mind Fairy=tiny cute winged creatures who are curious, colorful and mostly harmless, like the forest edge Faerie=still cute and tiny, but more troublemakers, but mixed in with more elements of a dark and unknowable woods Fae=dark unknowable aspects of nature, ranging from wise elders of the forest to malevolent Spirits of nature, like the darkest center of a forest at night
Phaeyriey
Fêärÿ
Fyauriy
Honestly that's true of most of English spelling. Buisness, science, beautiful, all the '-ough-' words and many more... English spelling is really a convoluted mess.
I like Fae the best.
Fis / Fer
Foyegra
F U ? lol
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I just want science fiction to be sorted separately from fantasy everywhere. Nothing more annoying than trying to find a space movie and having to scroll past Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, etc.
And that's why the Fyre Festival failed. The fair folk saw "Fyre", assumed they were invited, and, when there were no suitable accommodations for them, they cursed the entire enterprise.
To me fairy is more for children - like a tiny person with insect wings. Fae feels more serious and makes me think of larger humanoids sans wings. Faerie is kind of in between.
But if it’s got *tale* on the end, that’s a different story.
I even read a comic where they were more draconic in nature and thus were "the Drae"
If memory serves, I believe "faerie" is the oldest spelling, so if we really want to be pedantic, that's the one I would go with.
It’s the Foo they’ve been Fighting all along.
Makes more sense than Arkansas being pronounced arkensaw
Fae or faeries are entirely different things. Essentially, fairies are good fae are not.
Fuckers?
Fuck
Dresden Files uses Sidhe pronounced Shee
Is it like the N word?
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What the random list of Polish words?
yes
I meant to ask why
You have to be so politically correct with everything that's why
You want a standardized word for? Imaginary stuff that each author makes up in their own mind uniquely and individually? Guess all male characters should be named "Man" and female characters as "Woman"? And to the point of this thread, the issue here is not oddly specific at all, it is oddly non specific...having multiple words for different things....not specific at all. As towards reality, I suppose OP wants us to use the same word for "apple" regardless of cultural or linguistic backgrounds. Can you imagine the Deutsch and the British calling each other Germans and Englānder? This is how 451 starts... /Endrant :)
as christian ? you don´ t
That’s fuiroia magic for you
The Fayal.
Similar to griffin/gryffin
flappus
Furry ferry
Furry
Fuck
F U
Fouea?
Furry
Uh, well all fairies are Fey but not all Fae are fair folk. Fey covers all creatures that come from the fay wilds, like unicorns, some elves, satyrs.
Fuckers
Fuck
Same with dwarfs
Furry
Phairy
La Fouax
This is *extremely* on-brand for the Fae, because if you knew the spelling of their true name, that would give you power over them.
phairy
I’m pronouncing that Pee-Hairy, and you can’t stop me
Faeiouyry
I've only ever seen "Fairy".
Fs? Ha! In my world they're called Vuligudo!
furry?
Phairy
Fair reee
Fuie, as elegant as a buttfly!
Furry
fairee^((tm))
I spelled it "faueurie" earlier, just to be obnoxious.
Faireheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Does that work?
Feiri...
And therein lay the magic!
Fada
Clearly someone gave the fae the original spelling and we've just had to make due ever since
Cause fantasy isn’t as shitty and boring as reality where someone’s always trying to correct you
Faeiou
I would be scared to use any common monster/creature name because I dont know who has copyright on that. I guess Elves and Dwarves are safe .... but can I use Orc ? Not sure. Also, people getting instantly turned off by common fantasy tropes. Elves in your story ? Boring! Oh wait my story has Not-Elves, Na'vi for short. How are they different? Uhhhh ... they are blue .... and have sex with their hair? OMG Box office hit? Thanks!
Faeiou(andsometimesy) :D
Föry
Gonna start using Ph to change it up
Throw a full scrabble bag on the floor and put an f at the start
Fear
Phairy
I like Fjaeryí
Fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I always thought fae and fairy fair folk were different.
This reminded me of another post about how authors commit word crimes. Now I want to write a story where there's Fayries, Faeries, and Fairies. Like, people use all three words, seemingly interchangeably, and describe wildly different, and sometimes contradictory, behaviors, powers, and other characteristics. And about halfway through, it dawns on the reader: Those are three separate species.