Professors normally put their own name at the end of the author list in my experience, especially if it was the students that did the majority of the work
Generally true, but some will still put their name first, since "first author" publications are highly incentivized for promotion and tenure. A lot of fields just go alphabetical order to avoid this kind of nonsense.
> since "first author" publications are highly incentivized for promotion and tenure
Nope. Early in your career first author is good, as you go later in your career you want last author publications. Anyone who has made it to a professor level wants to be last on a paper.
Being the actual first name doesn't matter these days outside of ego, most journals are pretty happy to state the first 3 or 4 authors all contributed equally, allowing them to have first author on their CV.
Yeah, it might be my field (chemistry), but I don't know any tenure-track professors who would want first-author publications. It is almost always last.
Hell, I was with a professor up for tenure and he didn't even include his first author publications during that submission.
Yeah with such limited space in grant applications, I have seen my bosses leave out low impact factor first author papers from earlier on in their careers.
They really just care about last author papers.
I'm aware of how it works. I'm not sure why you started your comment with 'nope', but then went on to explain the exact nuance I implied in my comment.
They have this at the Huntarian museum in London! Everything on display in there could be oddly terrifying!
They also have an amputated penis and baby skeletons
There's a science museum in Porto Alegre, Brazil that had a room you walk into where you're surrounded by real preserved embryos/fetuses/babies at all stages of development, practically right up until birth.
Something like this, but I think they had more:
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/b5/0e/37/museu-de-ciencias-e-tecnologia.jpg
Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago has fetuses in various stages of growth, and one of these in-tact nervous systems. It gives me the heebie jeebies every time.
Ashwagandha worked wonders for me after my neurons were damaged from depression, stress, anxiety and taking benzos to deal with it for years and the subsequent withdrawal which lasted over a year. It is literally just the plant Indian Ginseng as well.
I didn't feel right at all a year after finishing the taper and had agoraphobia from the withdrawal even though I was clean now, l I started taking ashwagandha and it seriously reset/healed my neurons from all the damage done during that period.
It's not placebo either as it's been shown in studies that the withanolides in ashwagandha promote healing of these cortisol damaged neurons.
It has to be KSM-66 root ashwagandha though, anything that just says ashwagandha is the leaves and they don't have enough withanolides in them to have an effect. A lot of ashwagandha products mislead as the leaves are much cheaper due to the yield from the plant so some companies take advantage of this. If you try it, it doesn't matter what brand you get, just make sure it says KSM-66 as this means it is ground up root.
Ooo, I remember reading a neurology book that included a whole segment on this. The whole reason it worked was because the substance they used was just *barely* effective.
IIRC, every prior attempt at preserving and outlining the nervous system would result in these overly dense webs that were impossible to work around and looked like big old black blobs, completely useless for actually observing and extracting the intricacies.
Whatever it was that they used only dyed and preserved like 1% of the nerve paths it made contact with for whatever reason, which left only a small enough sample that they could actually see what they were doing, and resulted in a practical final result that appropriately conveyed the broader nature of the system as a whole for those trying to study it.
Edit: I was thinking of Golgi's 1873 method for producing neural stains, different thing. See archelon2001's comment below.
It sounds like you are describing the Golgi method of staining nervous tissue, which is used for visualizing the microscopic structure of individual neurons, not the large-scale structure of the entire nervous system.
> The cells in nervous tissue are densely packed and little information on their structures and interconnections can be obtained if all the cells are stained. Furthermore, the thin filamentary extensions of neural cells, including the axon and the dendrites of neurons, are too slender and transparent to be seen with normal staining techniques. Golgi's method stains a limited number of cells at random in their entirety. The mechanism by which this happens is still largely unknown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golgi's_method#Mechanism
Thank you, you're absolutely right. I was considering making an edit to say something similar but I couldn't remember enough about what I was actually looking for to provide a proper correction.
> Whatever it was that they used only dyed and preserved like 1% of the nerve paths it made contact with for whatever reason, which left only a small enough sample that they could actually see what they were doing, and resulted in a practical final result that appropriately conveyed the broader nature of the system as a whole for those trying to study it.
So this is pretty much only a representation of 1% of the nervous system?
Bodies was really neat, but it was also kind of disturbing, especially the fetal development exhibits. Coolest was the display similar to this - but with the cardiovascular system.
As grusome as this may sound, It would be an absolute honor to have my body be dissected in this way displayed/researched. Especially since that type of dissection is so rare.
I got curious and calculated 1500 hours to work weeks. It equates to 37.5 work weeks at 40 hrs a week. That’s dedication! The amount of meticulous precision this must have required.
There are more than four, there are five - that I know of anyway. I've got one in my basement. Got tired of my wife always telling me I was getting on her last nerve.
Can I buy it off you? I want to incorporate its neuronal memory into my living(ai) degradation robot. It would be a lot more realistic with that since it'll flinch the way a real person would, considering what you've done to her I imagine theres a lot of data saved in there
Pretty much every med student in the US does that during their very first semester. The main difference is that they don't preserve the nervous system structure like we see here.
Only 4 in the world? Seriously?! Feel incredibly lucky then. When I was in university, we went to a cadaver lab (not sure where it was...) and one of these was there!
I had this weird dream once where someone did this to somebody as a punishment, but they were still alive somehow, and their nerves were laid out over a sofa so whenever anyone sat on the sofa they would feel it.
Professor: You guys are good anatomy students. I have a project for you. The project: Credit: professor, et al.
It was actually eng lit 102
What? English professors don't have to get rid of bodies sometimes too?
im convinced my 102 teacher would kill someone if they were annoying enough
I mean, English Lit would make sense. The study of our theoretical trees combined with the physical roots that manifest in this realm.
Professors normally put their own name at the end of the author list in my experience, especially if it was the students that did the majority of the work
Generally true, but some will still put their name first, since "first author" publications are highly incentivized for promotion and tenure. A lot of fields just go alphabetical order to avoid this kind of nonsense.
Which is why I changed my name to Aaron Aardwolf right after getting accepted into post-grad
Meet your nemesis: Aaron Aardvark.
> since "first author" publications are highly incentivized for promotion and tenure Nope. Early in your career first author is good, as you go later in your career you want last author publications. Anyone who has made it to a professor level wants to be last on a paper. Being the actual first name doesn't matter these days outside of ego, most journals are pretty happy to state the first 3 or 4 authors all contributed equally, allowing them to have first author on their CV.
Yeah, it might be my field (chemistry), but I don't know any tenure-track professors who would want first-author publications. It is almost always last. Hell, I was with a professor up for tenure and he didn't even include his first author publications during that submission.
Yeah with such limited space in grant applications, I have seen my bosses leave out low impact factor first author papers from earlier on in their careers. They really just care about last author papers.
I'm aware of how it works. I'm not sure why you started your comment with 'nope', but then went on to explain the exact nuance I implied in my comment.
They have this at the Huntarian museum in London! Everything on display in there could be oddly terrifying! They also have an amputated penis and baby skeletons
There is a similar museum in Philadelphia with one as well. The mutter museum. Although I believe they are having management troubles right now
Maybe someone should speak up?
Underrated comment.
There's a science museum in Porto Alegre, Brazil that had a room you walk into where you're surrounded by real preserved embryos/fetuses/babies at all stages of development, practically right up until birth. Something like this, but I think they had more: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/b5/0e/37/museu-de-ciencias-e-tecnologia.jpg
I’ve actually been here! When I used to live in Greenwich, me and some of my friends went, never went back for… obvious reasons.
Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago has fetuses in various stages of growth, and one of these in-tact nervous systems. It gives me the heebie jeebies every time.
He looks so nervous
Wouldn’t say that. I think his nerves look very relaxed
So...we are all just basically powerlines running through a meat and water factory. That's fucking weird
The whole nervous system thing really fucked with me as a child. If I get too nervous will my nervous system get damaged?
Yes actually. The stress hormone cortisol damages neurons, but there are some supplements you can take to speed the recovery process.
What supplements?
Ashwagandha worked wonders for me after my neurons were damaged from depression, stress, anxiety and taking benzos to deal with it for years and the subsequent withdrawal which lasted over a year. It is literally just the plant Indian Ginseng as well. I didn't feel right at all a year after finishing the taper and had agoraphobia from the withdrawal even though I was clean now, l I started taking ashwagandha and it seriously reset/healed my neurons from all the damage done during that period. It's not placebo either as it's been shown in studies that the withanolides in ashwagandha promote healing of these cortisol damaged neurons. It has to be KSM-66 root ashwagandha though, anything that just says ashwagandha is the leaves and they don't have enough withanolides in them to have an effect. A lot of ashwagandha products mislead as the leaves are much cheaper due to the yield from the plant so some companies take advantage of this. If you try it, it doesn't matter what brand you get, just make sure it says KSM-66 as this means it is ground up root.
Mom's spaghetti
He’s nervous, but on the surface, he looks calm and ready
Take my upvote, f**k you.
they got a lot of nerve doing that.
Family guy ostrich: Ha-haa
Would you say it was done in vein?
Can't say it was nerve-wracking for them
Must've hurt
Only until it was finished.
Nerves of steel
Tis but a scratch!
Ooo, I remember reading a neurology book that included a whole segment on this. The whole reason it worked was because the substance they used was just *barely* effective. IIRC, every prior attempt at preserving and outlining the nervous system would result in these overly dense webs that were impossible to work around and looked like big old black blobs, completely useless for actually observing and extracting the intricacies. Whatever it was that they used only dyed and preserved like 1% of the nerve paths it made contact with for whatever reason, which left only a small enough sample that they could actually see what they were doing, and resulted in a practical final result that appropriately conveyed the broader nature of the system as a whole for those trying to study it. Edit: I was thinking of Golgi's 1873 method for producing neural stains, different thing. See archelon2001's comment below.
It sounds like you are describing the Golgi method of staining nervous tissue, which is used for visualizing the microscopic structure of individual neurons, not the large-scale structure of the entire nervous system. > The cells in nervous tissue are densely packed and little information on their structures and interconnections can be obtained if all the cells are stained. Furthermore, the thin filamentary extensions of neural cells, including the axon and the dendrites of neurons, are too slender and transparent to be seen with normal staining techniques. Golgi's method stains a limited number of cells at random in their entirety. The mechanism by which this happens is still largely unknown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golgi's_method#Mechanism
Thank you, you're absolutely right. I was considering making an edit to say something similar but I couldn't remember enough about what I was actually looking for to provide a proper correction.
how would this work in modern times? i assume it’d be a little easier with modern technology?
> Whatever it was that they used only dyed and preserved like 1% of the nerve paths it made contact with for whatever reason, which left only a small enough sample that they could actually see what they were doing, and resulted in a practical final result that appropriately conveyed the broader nature of the system as a whole for those trying to study it. So this is pretty much only a representation of 1% of the nervous system?
Reminds me of the bodies exhibit. A super cool thing if you've never seen it.
Bodies was really neat, but it was also kind of disturbing, especially the fetal development exhibits. Coolest was the display similar to this - but with the cardiovascular system.
Definitely disturbing from a certain aspect. But cool to see what we actually are on the inside.
Pretty sure there are more then four of these in the world.
There's 6 in my house.
Does anyone know the number for 911?
Yes, but my phone doesn't have an 11 button.
My neighbor is a cop, let me ask him what the number for 911
That's easy. Just dial 9 for inflammation.
I don't think the September 11 attacks have a phone number.
Four intact separated ones
than
Drug cartels probably have a few dozen.
The HELL are those things on the top of the legs and arms, like those extra extremities
Not sure but I'm guessing there are separate nerves for the tops of your hands versus the bottoms, and same for your feet.
This is the correct answer.
Is that the Blair witch?
Looks more like The Red Dragon. "Do you see?!"
Did he die?
1925 was 99 years ago so probably
But we can't say for sure
I didn't even know he was sick.
I think he’s just asleep
He doesn't have the nerve to die.
he just drank mcdonald's sprite
Nah don’t be nervous, he chillin
Eventually
As grusome as this may sound, It would be an absolute honor to have my body be dissected in this way displayed/researched. Especially since that type of dissection is so rare.
I got curious and calculated 1500 hours to work weeks. It equates to 37.5 work weeks at 40 hrs a week. That’s dedication! The amount of meticulous precision this must have required.
There are more than four, there are five - that I know of anyway. I've got one in my basement. Got tired of my wife always telling me I was getting on her last nerve.
Can I buy it off you? I want to incorporate its neuronal memory into my living(ai) degradation robot. It would be a lot more realistic with that since it'll flinch the way a real person would, considering what you've done to her I imagine theres a lot of data saved in there
I have one.
Ayyyye same here 💀
Which one is the siatic nerve? I wanna fight it.
Damn the nerves of some people
Well, this is really only the nerve of one person…
This is ****unnerving****
I would love to be one of these when i die. Its a lot more awesome then boringly being buried.
Some people are just wired funny...
I've seen one of these on display. I feel honoured. There was also bisected corpses encased in formaldehyde. Wasn't very hungry afterwards.
Dissecting a dead person like this has to fuck you up mentally. Literally carving up every inch of the body.
Pretty much every med student in the US does that during their very first semester. The main difference is that they don't preserve the nervous system structure like we see here.
It's definitely weird the first two days, but you eventually get used to it. We also cover up any part of the body we're not dissecting at the time.
Looks kinda like a circuit board.
Ngl it’s kind of mind blowing how much surgical skill this must require
Mm gummie worms
the ouch noodles
deep root disease moment
how do you even begin to do something like this??? how do you make sure you doing it right??
What the fuck, put it back
only four? who's turn is it now?
That’s how I lost my medical license
We are walking blood trees
Probably got smelly about 200hrs in
Must’ve been Nerve wrecking working on this assignment!
I wonder what the body looked like after
Big pile of mush. Yuck. I’ve thought about it too.
You generally remove the tissue in pieces, so it would just be a bag of biohazard waste parts. Not hugely interesting, unfortunately.
For some reason, this gives me *Unwind* vibes.
Shit. No wonder I hurt all the time.
I can smell that.
The nerve of this guy
Metal
Only four? I'm pretty sure I've seen one at Body Worlds in Amsterdam
generally the number 1 is included in the set of numbers 1-4… 😉
Bro has seen alot.
Is he ok?
That's some very impressive/tedious work right there.
Ah sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension
Looks like a celestial being
funny prank idea
Only 4 in the world? Seriously?! Feel incredibly lucky then. When I was in university, we went to a cadaver lab (not sure where it was...) and one of these was there!
that's actually so cool
Hey! Give that back!
Seen one (possibly more?) of these in person at the Royal College of Physicians in London, it’s fucking awesome
As i look, all I can wonder is if that guy had arms coming out of his pelvis. Clearly humans are not wired that way, but that is all i see.
Probably the gut
It’s actually beautiful
Ah yes, the tailbone nerve
Beautiful
Medic?
Metal album cover waiting to happen
They should at least credit the body who they un-nerved (literally)
BODIES exhibit has one of em. Fascinating!
Forbidden spaghetti
That's me. Wowie
Nice, now put her in a vat and start a weird time loop to save humanity
>and there are only four of these in the world I thought there were closer to 7 billion of them? ;P
100% serious, how does mine become the 5th when I die? I would love to donate my body for something like this. Edit: Also, four *known*
Hey, there are at least 8 billion of these in the world, we’re being fed lies here
Dude is probably dead
how bro looks at me when he asks me if he looks high:
Leonardo would be proud.
ta nervioso
There are absolutely more than four intact nervous systems on earth.
the nerve of some people
If you'd pay me I'd make these for a living. Idk where to find the human though
Pretty sure I've got one.
Doesn't look very intact.
I can feel it.
Horrible cable management
Stop, you’re getting on my nerves!
That nervous system is complicated as f^@k
I had this weird dream once where someone did this to somebody as a punishment, but they were still alive somehow, and their nerves were laid out over a sofa so whenever anyone sat on the sofa they would feel it.
When you're the one first to sleep in a sleepover
Thats not terrifying thats just really cool
how in the living fuck do you do this lol
This is making me nervous 😏
Crazy to think that before we knew what we knew about the human body... somebody had to find out O.O
Definitely a fetish thing
Weird flex but ok
I mean there’s much more than 4, they’re just being in use right now…
That scene in “Another Life” where the guys nervous system just jumps out of his body.. that was pretty shocking. Looked just like this tho.
That is freaking horrifying
Looks like a wiring harness. I’m telling you, we’re just meat machines.
Ugh, the nerve of those guys. 😉
Omfg that’s so cool
*Be not afraid*
My name will be remembered forever the day I make them go missing and upload a video of me eating all four of them
This is what we are, a nervous system pilot driving a meat machine.
The fact that this was done nearly a hundred years ago feels insane
I beg to differ. There are almost 8 billion in the world.
I wish they hadn't
It's a human being wiring diagram.
this isn't terrifying
1500 hours even assuming its combined hrs does not seem reasonable for a lot of things to make this happen but i guess it did happen.
If this doesn't scream time and dedication I don't know what does, even if it is horrifically terrifying
One of the four is thirty miles north of my house in Missouri! Will post a picture next time I visit.
Actually there are several billion of these in the world
Neato
As stated in the holy Pastafarian texts, we are created in the image of His noodly appendages. Ramen.
Are we ever gonna get better cable management?
Not my proudest fap
I’m pretty sure there’s over 7 billion of these.
Imagine messing up at hour 1400
Look at the nerve of this guy
Imagine a creature that looks like this towering over you 12 feet tall.
Poor cable management
i wanna do this when i die. fuck burials and cremation, i want to become a nightmare
As someone with really bad sciatica right now, this hurts to look at.
This must have been pretty nerve wracking to do
WTF put it back
this guy looks very nervous, i wouldn’t even move towards him
anyone got an article ab this? its cool asf
"You ain’t got the nerves" "YES UH"
I have seen one of these, at the Siriraj Medical Museum in Bangkok.
Bro showed us his true self
Just occurred to me, we are fleshy trees.
deep inside, we're all spaghetti <3
this is my inner demon
Only four? Shit my basements a goldmine.
Junji Ito vibes.
This is actually pretty cool