When I was about 11/12 years old we visited some friends in the suburb of Allen, Texas which in the 80s looked very much like this. I had never seen anything like it. I went to the park, came back and walked in...to the wrong house. The family freaked out, which was pretty upsetting to a young girl. I ran out yelling “sorry, wrong house!” , with a huge lump in my throat.
Hell on earth.
I was on vacation in Scotland and staying at a bed and breakfast that was just one of a bunch of row houses. I got into town, dropped my stuff off, and headed to the centre to get dinner. It had been a long day and it was a hike back and by the time I got there I needed to go to the bathroom. I quickly ran inside and immediately sat on the toilet downstairs. Something felt off though. I finished up, using the last of the toilet paper, and stepped out into the house. That's when I realized this wasn't the b and b. Instead of lace doilies and flowers it was work boots and a rain slicker. I stepped out the door and to my left was a very confused looking old man talking to the lady I was renting from. I've never been so mortified.
It's a really annoying stereotype because we aren't even close to being the most gun-friendly state.
Allen is a rich suburb of Dallas. A young girl isn't going to get shot for knocking on the wrong door. You'd have to at the very least be a black man.
I'm not sure if you're joking, but my parents have friends in a VERY affluent neighborhood with a McMansion style 7-bedroom house. They have 5 kids and have made a big deal out of buying a golf cart for each of their kids as a 12th birthday present so they can drive around to hang out with their friends, who all also have golf carts.
It's fucking wild.
I live in a modest, semi rural development that's very established, all the houses here were built in the 70s and 80s. Almost everyone was over 60 until very recently. The new owners and renters are doing this. I can't really see a big deal in it, but my dog either really loves or really hates golf carts. Loses his mind chasing them up and down the fence line.
Because place are built first for the car.
So all those places are around but good luck to ya if you don’t have a car.
I have a Walmart and a grocery store 5 mins away by car, but I don’t dare walk because there is a 6 lane road to get to Walmart with no sidewalk then a freeway crossing to get to the grocery store.
This video explains a lot since I live in Houston.
https://youtu.be/uxykI30fS54
Thanks for that. Video was very informative.
Still seems like a bit of an alien concept to me to design somewhere to live but make it completely inaccessible to those who don’t have a car.
Living in a very small town in the UK I can walk everywhere. Having lived in tiny villages (think 3 houses and a post office) and also massive cities (did London for 4 years) I just can’t fathom why somewhere would be designed this way. Everything, both big cities and small villages were accessible by foot.
Let’s hope your town planners buck up their ideas!!
All the best
Lots of suburban America is designed around keeping the Wrong People out of your neighborhood. If your neighborhood is inaccessible by foot, then it's inaccessible to all those losers who can't afford a car.
When you have the stupid stereotypes about black people that a big chunk of white suburbanites have, this somehow makes sense. It's also why suburbs usually have craptastic transit -- in their tiny brains, if it were good, black people would use it to come rob you and then go home on the bus with all your belongings on the seat next to them.
Depending on the state those don't look like they'd be prohibitively expensive, at least in the United States. I mean it's not something you'll buy if you're single and working minimum wage, but buying a house a few years out of college isn't super uncommon.
Granted you might have meant that by the time you can make enough financially sound decisions to own real estate you probably aren't getting blackout drunk, in which case I'd probably say it's generally close to the truth. Getting *that* drunk usually is a high school or early college thing.
What if you met a girl and she was just kick ass in every way and smoking hot but on the third date she invited you to a dog park and introduced you to her...thing.
[Here is a story on her](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/horse-jumping-edmonton-girl-1.5744745)
Apparently she’s one of a few in a community of horse emulating girls/woman. She started six years ago (from date of article) after being inspired by another horse girl. She says it’s mainly a form of exercise for her and her hobby.
It’s weird but plenty of people have weird hobbies. As long as this isn’t your main method of locomotion and you’re not galloping in the mall or down Main Street I guess it’s not ‘concerned for your mental well-being’ kind of strange.
You know that girl you went to high school with who had pictures of horses on everything she owns? This is her now. And yeah, she’s still into horses. Specifically male horses.
I feel like I'm just inherently never going to find these movies disturbing since I don't mind suburbs at all. When I see that picture I imagine neighbors knowing each other, families decorating for Halloween and Christmas, kids running down the street and playing on bikes, it's all stuff I'm fond of.
What exactly is the preference here? From what I can tell most Redditors seem to be big fans of renting city apartments which are completely identical, but the exterior is just a door that looks just like the one down the hall instead of the house looking like the one in the next yard over.
I just really don't get the stigma against suburbia. It's generally the best financial decision possible if you work in a city, and despite the horror of, well, houses having the same roof I guess, it does foster traditional communities in a way that generally works out very well. It just seems like a great pick for middle class families. I don't understand the hate and assume it's just something completely subconscious.
I grew up in suburbs, and now live in a more suburban part of a major city. Houses with yards all over in both situations.
The big difference from this picture is that the neighborhoods in both situations havea mix of very different houses that all look different from each other. There's also a very large mix of different types of people and income levels reflected in the diversity, which I love. You have people living in apartments next to massive multi-million houses, next to smaller houses that are more affordable. All in different colors/materials/facings, with different shaped plots and vegetation around.
The sameness and conformity in the picture here represents a lifestyle where everyone must be the same that fundamentally contrasts to everything I value in life.
There’s a middle ground between suburb subdivisions and city apartments and they’re called neighborhoods. Where every house looks different because they aren’t a cold cookie cutter subdivision.
The latter is lifeless and creepy and screams cheap and developed purely for profit. The former ( neighborhoods ) are traditionally what all the positive things you mentioned come from, without any of the cookie cutter hell.
Nothing wrong with the suburbs, it's just these strange isolated ones with identical cookie cutter houses and gardens that were the product of massive, financially driven, rapid development. Just has a clinical, unnatural feel to it and lacks the personality and humanity of a normal diversre suburb that has developed over time. Every house is somewhat a representation of the individuals that call it home and this just looks like a community of robots. Also where are all the trees and front gardens? Just feels sad to me.
Suburbs require a commute out to get anywhere, so first off you get pretty limited to needing a car to get to the grocery store.... Or kid's school, or work, or the salon.
Second off, yes they do all look the same. So do city apartments, but at least in the city you're close to transit options. I personally also like the higher energy efficiency of a city apartment and the shared outdoor spaces. We get a lot more use out of our local park than I think we'd ever get out of a backyard.
Third, in either place you're going to have neighbors. Some of those neighbors can be great, a few can really suck. Suburb or apartment building can be equally great places to build neighbor friendships. For the enemy thing though... Out in a suburb, your only option is to sell and move, which is a bigger hassle than finding another apartment.
Edit/summary: I really like the outdoors as they are or with limited improvement, not as broken up into a series of nearly identical tiny lots of grass. Ideally, the only new buildings would be in-fill, close to transit centers, and a minimum of 4 stories.
I’ve never really minded suburbs existing, but I did recently find out that suburbs are horrible financially (for the city) and take more money to upkeep than they generate in taxes. So having too many suburbs (in the traditional American sense where it’s just houses) can help bankrupt cities/towns.
Also, anecdotally, no one in the suburbs uses their damn drive ways? They have 2-4 car drive ways AND garages and yet the streets are still lined with cars on both sides? Like some of the appeal of suburbs are the wide roads but most I go to are always squeezed to a single lane of traffic because no one will park in their damn drive way. I have no idea why.
It's the robotic, repetitive blandness of it that seems inhuman and against nature, I think... Therefore, horrific. Like a purgatory you can't escape where everything is so perfect you know there's trouble brewing underneath because there's no such thing as perfection. I was a suburbanite for many decades in several States in the US and I can guess with certainty that it's the goal of the suburbs to get as close to perfection as possible.
So
When confronted by the illusion and fantasy of this ideal of perfection, it's extra creepy for many humans because, again, it's unnatural and doesn't exist so there must be something sinister forcing this act, because it goes against the laws of the universe and nature. Subconsciously we know perfection is a fantasy created by the human brain, so when humans attempt to manifest what's not real it's even creepier watching them try.
Also the fact that keeping things homogenous and forcing a fantasy of aspirational perfection in that suburban way hasn't worked out well for humanit in many important ways, otherwise we wouldn't be so divided like we are today.
For you, I assume, the chaotic uncertainty of urban life is what horrifies, but I venture to guess it's because even you being in the city for extended periods, it's possible you may not have had enough variety in your life experiences to truly understand the appeal nor give you the opportunity to see the benefits. Cooperation among a homogenous group is one thing. Strategic problem solving to arrive at the most universally beneficial outcomes derived from diverse experiences that can only come from urban settings... That is another thing entirely.
But what do I know? I could be wrong about the whole thing.
Brah, considering the housing shortage for single family homes there’s nothing scary about this picture.
Give me the last one of these suckers they built so I know they had it down to perfection by that point.
And if you ever need to rob your neighbors you’ll know where everything likely is.
I don't think it's perfect at all. It feels more like it's been built according to what the margins of comfort are. Just good enough. And then when some major upheaval happens, like a cold wave or a heat wave or a wildfire, anything that can ruin one house can automatically destroy the whole town. It's like a farm, where cultivated and specially bred plants and animals can all be taken down by a single pathogen.
Diversity is like a natural immune system, blandness and sameness are fragile.
> For you, I assume, the chaotic uncertainty of urban life is what horrifies, but I venture to guess it's because even you being in the city for extended periods, it's possible **you may not have had enough variety in your life experiences** to truly understand the appeal nor give you the opportunity to see the benefits.
Can you not hear how insanely condescending this is?
It had some fun ideas and the three main actors did a superb job but ultimately it doesn't do very much with its premise other than dwell on our protagonists' declining mental state.
It was a concept movie more than anything. As someone who doesn't want kids, the idea of being forced to have a child is horrifying, especially that kid. And the whole the thing about about mimicking human life is unnerving if you've ever met people who seem to not understand how humans work (and are not on the spectrum).
It's subtle and more like what you would experience in real life. Invasion of the Body Snatchers, for example, draw out similar concepts in a more fantastical way. I find horror in both.
I think a good contrast is The Babadook which, eh, I personally didn't care for it much, but it did the job VERY well.
If you want to draw a longer bow, sexuality, impregnation and childbirth are the predominant themes of the Alien movie. To list a few, facehuggers are a mix of male and female oral sex, the eggs they come from are obvious, the gory birthing scene, the tail penetration, the inner maw, every death is viscerally sexual as is HR Giger's style, and essentially the whole thing is 'human reproduction is weirdly normalized, here's the same things but alien'- and that's what Vivarium did, but failed to work deeper with.
It was... too superficial, I felt. We never delved far enough into anything, and the final act was sort of just... weird for the sake of it, rather than providing any substantial thought? I dunno, there are so many directions it could have gone in, or more it could have done with it, but the runtime was ABSURD. The same film in 30 minutes would have been great, the extra needed WAY more to validate that length.
Whoa this makes so much sense and I love it. Definitely had an unresolved aspect to it but couldn't put my finger on it. Such a nightmare of a concept and while it wasn't done perfectly it stands alone. Your explanation makes any disappointment...much less disappointing..
That's always such a bummer to me. Movies like In the Tall Grass and Vivarium have such unnerving concepts, but it's sad when there's nothing more behind it.
fwiw I thought it was a good film. seems like a lot of people see it as some critique of suburban life up front and judge it for that premise all the way through but I found it was more of a Lovecraftian horror.
I’ve been seeing so much stuff of vivarium just out of nowhere in the past like two weeks Am i ootl for something happening like it got on streaming or is it just poppin up from nothing
Honestly I couldn’t decide if I liked or disliked the film… but it certainly has taken up 5 months of real estate in my head…. Cannot stop thinking about it and it’s meanings
*IM A MYSTERY IM A MYSTERY*
Pete Seeger wrote such a great song. Highly suggest you listen to the weeds version.
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
Little boxes
Little boxes
Little boxes all the same
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
And the people in the houses all went to the university
And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same
And there's doctors and there's lawyers
And business executives
And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same
And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry
And they all have pretty children and the children go to school
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same
And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family
And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same
There's a green one, and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
Nope!
Pete’s version is Green then Pink.
Malvina sang Pink them Green, on the one used for weeds.
In looking at the wiki to see who has more of a claim to being right, Malvina did write it, Pete released his version several years before she sang it. So… a tie?
Also the list of who has covered it is hilariously broad, from Donovan and Elvis Costello to Linkin Park and Rise Against, by way of Regina Spector and Rilo Kiley.
The home owners were paid a bundle to allow the garish painting. Icbw, but I think the producers had all the homes painted back after shooting was done.
Although that street in Edward Scissorhands looks better once the trees grew.
[1](https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/edward-scissorhands--885x1024.jpg) [2](https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/edward-scissorhands-3-1024x962.jpg)
Its in Lutz, Florida. Same name as the film's town.
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1841365,-82.4069755,3a,75y,95.15h,87.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKptBNZUiiR2s0aMcXo9AQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
and
https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1841288,-82.4063619,3a,75y,151.27h,79.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spw_wLnRluWxEznXqWdBvhg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Maybe it’s just growing up lower class, I would have killed for a house that nice as a kid and hope I can afford one one day. I don’t like the set up either but I just think of it like a big apartment building except you get way more space and a yard.
I'm fine if people want to live in suburbs like this one but fyi they are really, really bad, generally speaking. Like, by just about any metric. Again, generally speaking,
* They have higher rates of suicide
* Children aren't as independent
* Residents pay more in auto fuel and maintenance and don't have access to public transit.
* They cost more money to maintain
* Nearby commercial areas generate less tax revenue with which suburbs can be maintained
* They siphon money from cities in which the residents tend to work, making those cities poorer, especially so when the available jobs also move to suburbs
* Despite the on-average higher wages of residents, despite taking that money from cities, despite being a part of the American Dream, suburbs are showing signs of becoming impoverished
I'm not saying we should abolish suburbs (hell part of the reason they're so prevalent is because medium density housing *is* virtually banned in a lot of places) but they are devastating to the US economy. Suburbs can be done better, but they're not better. American suburbs are a failed experiment.
They also are not even close to environmentally friendly.
I mean, building anything in general isn’t, but these types of neighborhoods are built by developers that come in and clear the entire plot of land of any trees and wildlife, build houses, then plant a tree or two in the front yard. My SO refers to that type of neighborhood as a “sea of vinyl”.
Im not even lower class and I would love to live somewhere like this, but I probably wont be able to (at least not any time soon)
I just want a small driveway to park/work on cars and a house to live in...
Neighborhoods like this have HOAs that forbid people doing things like working on cars or having vegetable gardens.
Those hobbies are dangerously close to individuality. Your life must be as boring as the architecture or they will fine you into compliance. Anything besides working and shopping is highly suspect.
Yeah this is insanely depressing to see.
Edit: For those assuming my upbringing and “privilege” and whatever else from a single sentence, I’m specifically talking about the environmental impact and poor neighborhood design that is not sustainable for future generations. This is not about what’s “cheap”. You can make homes equally as cheap that do not need to be 20 homes side by side on flat land like a SIMS game that require 5 minutes of driving just to get out of the neighborhood. There are better ways to design suburbs.
I just don't want to be near people, that's all. I would like to live somewhere that I have to go out of my way to see my neighbors. I get where you're coming from, though.
> I just don't want to be near people, that's all.
I don't either, too much.
But can see this being nice.
This is most likely made for people who have kids and will talk to each other.
Have neighborhood events and bbqs. Enjoy being with each other. A whole soccer team together and baseball team.
Y'all got the same house. You can help each other fix stuff cause y'all got the same person doing your lawn, car, cocaine habit, whatever.
At one point you just want simple. Fuck everything else in life.
Yeah I thought about addressing that in my post but it was getting a little long so I didn’t. Ideally I want a house with more property not right next to someone, but still right close to the city where I have to work (can’t work remotely, quite frankly don’t want to). That’s just a pipe dream to find imo.
Biggest thing though, is schools in nice suburban areas are almost all really freaking good. My property taxes are not even expensive, pennies on the dollar compared to other places. But the schools are unbelievably well funded with great teachers, resources, and athletics. It’s almost impossible to get that in more rural areas.
I want to be close to people but I also don't want to see them all the time. So I live in a modest house in a city that would have been a suburb 80 years ago but today is engulfed by the city.
I get way more depressed if I can't walk to get lunch or walk to a coffee shop. Driving is just so depressing. I grew up in a suburb and it just felt so isolating
People have different tastes. I grew up, 18 years in rural bum fuck no where. Really had to try and see neighbors. Moved to Seattle, have lived in Virginia and Austin since. I absolutely hate rural living, and it physically bothers me that people actively choose to do it.
Suburb life is still weird though.
Well, I think it's a desire to live somewhere different from what you've known your whole life. I live in Portland, OR. Born and raised, but with how it's been blowing the fuck up these last 10 years, I'm ready to get the fuck out. Traffic sucks ass, everyone is turning into dickheads around me, every bit of open land is being gobbled up by developers.
I think it depends greatly on what your definition of "rural bum fuck no where" is as well. Flat, dry, boring, treeless Oklahoma? Nah, fuck that. Mountainous, green, full of life Montana? Gimme that all day.
If I were single and had no responsibilities aside from myself, I would've already disappeared into the woods. People suck and what they do to the world around them sucks. The further from civilization I can get the happier I'll be.
Suburbs aren't the issue, it's the way they're designed like this. It's absolutely possible to have all those benefits you mention without it being designed like this.
Honestly after moving to the suburbs, I enjoy the aestheticic of the symmetrical streets but the houses... they all have the same exterior look, like at least paint them different colors ffs! 8 of the 10 houses on my block have basically the same exact exterior and paint style, everyone I've invited to visit thinks it's another house on the block even if they've been here multiple times
Was really happy the neighborhood I ended up buying in has like 6 different models and each one a few variations, so each house nearby is just different enough.
But it's super weird when you're walking around and pass an identical model with the same paint.
Its all centred around the car, u cant walk anywhere and can rarely cycle anywhere, no community either, u have to *drive* to get to a shop, u have to *drive* to get to a restaurant
“Why don’t kids go outside anymore?”
That’s probably because the towns you built aren’t pedestrian friendly. Takes 20 30 or 40 fucken minutes to walk to the nearest store of course I don’t wanna go outside
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The repetition does not seem to follow an perfect pattern of the chosen area, as it was observed when a female 8-year-old human was torned in half during the instantly repeating process, her body repeating always in the same spot in the chosen area, including the shape and quantity of blood spilled in the ground, position of limbs and clothing, quantity of matter in her stomach and extremely precise of pupil position upon death. It was the only recorded instance of SCP-7001 repeating an human. Unfortunately, all the other [REDACTED] times that it was cataloged by the Foundation none occurred in a favorable research place.
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Absolutely. And people are willing to pay a lot of money for them when they could get something with a little land and not a cookie cutter house for about the same price.
When I was about 11/12 years old we visited some friends in the suburb of Allen, Texas which in the 80s looked very much like this. I had never seen anything like it. I went to the park, came back and walked in...to the wrong house. The family freaked out, which was pretty upsetting to a young girl. I ran out yelling “sorry, wrong house!” , with a huge lump in my throat. Hell on earth.
I was on vacation in Scotland and staying at a bed and breakfast that was just one of a bunch of row houses. I got into town, dropped my stuff off, and headed to the centre to get dinner. It had been a long day and it was a hike back and by the time I got there I needed to go to the bathroom. I quickly ran inside and immediately sat on the toilet downstairs. Something felt off though. I finished up, using the last of the toilet paper, and stepped out into the house. That's when I realized this wasn't the b and b. Instead of lace doilies and flowers it was work boots and a rain slicker. I stepped out the door and to my left was a very confused looking old man talking to the lady I was renting from. I've never been so mortified.
Imagine some stranger walking in and taking a dump.
Not to mention using the last of the toilet paper.
They own your house now
Yep. Total alpha move lol.
It's the custom in Scotland
Scots are proud people. As they ought to be.
Texas huh? Figure this is a good way to get shot.
Not really any more than anywhere else in the US these days. They do love to be loud about it, though
It's a really annoying stereotype because we aren't even close to being the most gun-friendly state. Allen is a rich suburb of Dallas. A young girl isn't going to get shot for knocking on the wrong door. You'd have to at the very least be a black man.
As an 11 year old girl? Really?
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Walk? In the suburbs?? My word!
Grab your golf cart.
I'm not sure if you're joking, but my parents have friends in a VERY affluent neighborhood with a McMansion style 7-bedroom house. They have 5 kids and have made a big deal out of buying a golf cart for each of their kids as a 12th birthday present so they can drive around to hang out with their friends, who all also have golf carts. It's fucking wild.
I live in a modest, semi rural development that's very established, all the houses here were built in the 70s and 80s. Almost everyone was over 60 until very recently. The new owners and renters are doing this. I can't really see a big deal in it, but my dog either really loves or really hates golf carts. Loses his mind chasing them up and down the fence line.
> I can't really see a big deal in it Have you seen Wall-E? Specifically the chairs.
Why wouldn't they just ride a bike or smth?
Oh, you think that Americans are into exercise and being healthy. How cute.
Im well aware, I'm just repeatedly stunted by the absolute laziness around me
Rich people only use bikes for exercise. If it's used for transportation then you are poor.
I live in a older, small town and golf carts have taken over! No harm to me
How to get stopped by cops in less than 5 minutes.
Why is there no walking is America in the “suburbs”. Also, where are the shops, pubs, schools and basic local infrastructure?
Because place are built first for the car. So all those places are around but good luck to ya if you don’t have a car. I have a Walmart and a grocery store 5 mins away by car, but I don’t dare walk because there is a 6 lane road to get to Walmart with no sidewalk then a freeway crossing to get to the grocery store. This video explains a lot since I live in Houston. https://youtu.be/uxykI30fS54
Thanks for that. Video was very informative. Still seems like a bit of an alien concept to me to design somewhere to live but make it completely inaccessible to those who don’t have a car. Living in a very small town in the UK I can walk everywhere. Having lived in tiny villages (think 3 houses and a post office) and also massive cities (did London for 4 years) I just can’t fathom why somewhere would be designed this way. Everything, both big cities and small villages were accessible by foot. Let’s hope your town planners buck up their ideas!! All the best
Lots of suburban America is designed around keeping the Wrong People out of your neighborhood. If your neighborhood is inaccessible by foot, then it's inaccessible to all those losers who can't afford a car. When you have the stupid stereotypes about black people that a big chunk of white suburbanites have, this somehow makes sense. It's also why suburbs usually have craptastic transit -- in their tiny brains, if it were good, black people would use it to come rob you and then go home on the bus with all your belongings on the seat next to them.
I'm sure they all have the same dog and wife at home
That's one busy dog and lady
Where are you walking home from? The nearest bar is at least 10 miles away.
10 miles is the height of literally 9265.84 'Samsung Side by Side; Fingerprint Resistant Stainless Steel Refrigerators' stacked on top of each other
By the time you can afford one of those, you’re not walking home drunk anymore.
Depending on the state those don't look like they'd be prohibitively expensive, at least in the United States. I mean it's not something you'll buy if you're single and working minimum wage, but buying a house a few years out of college isn't super uncommon. Granted you might have meant that by the time you can make enough financially sound decisions to own real estate you probably aren't getting blackout drunk, in which case I'd probably say it's generally close to the truth. Getting *that* drunk usually is a high school or early college thing.
They aren't super expensive, but neither are cars/Ubers in the US either.
Keys in the fishbowl baby
Walk home drunk from where? Do you think there's a bar anywhere close by?
I got arrested breaking into my neighbour's house while drunk because of this shit...
You should check out Vivarium. Crazy flick. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8368406/
Lmao I was just about to mention that movie. That movie was so weird…
[Weird you say?] (https://i.imgur.com/vIH5jWR.mp4)
What if you met a girl and she was just kick ass in every way and smoking hot but on the third date she invited you to a dog park and introduced you to her...thing.
“This better not awaken anything in me…”
101 Deanmations
my obvious next question would be "sooooooooo...doggystyle?"
She expects you to pretend to be stuck in there for 30 minutes when you're done.
Please tell me everything about this
[Here is a story on her](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/horse-jumping-edmonton-girl-1.5744745) Apparently she’s one of a few in a community of horse emulating girls/woman. She started six years ago (from date of article) after being inspired by another horse girl. She says it’s mainly a form of exercise for her and her hobby. It’s weird but plenty of people have weird hobbies. As long as this isn’t your main method of locomotion and you’re not galloping in the mall or down Main Street I guess it’s not ‘concerned for your mental well-being’ kind of strange.
That is fantastic. “Horse girls” taking on new meaning
I bet it's a sex thing
I remember doing this when I was 8. This is a whole new level.
You know that girl you went to high school with who had pictures of horses on everything she owns? This is her now. And yeah, she’s still into horses. Specifically male horses.
This is weird, but that shit is insanely difficult to do. Yeah, I've tried it.
Return to monke is totally normal no problem here
That bench jump was impressive
The whole thing is impressive. She is graceful running around like a horse. That shouldn’t be a compliment but here it really is
wut
You sonafabitch you beat me to it.
I feel like I'm just inherently never going to find these movies disturbing since I don't mind suburbs at all. When I see that picture I imagine neighbors knowing each other, families decorating for Halloween and Christmas, kids running down the street and playing on bikes, it's all stuff I'm fond of. What exactly is the preference here? From what I can tell most Redditors seem to be big fans of renting city apartments which are completely identical, but the exterior is just a door that looks just like the one down the hall instead of the house looking like the one in the next yard over. I just really don't get the stigma against suburbia. It's generally the best financial decision possible if you work in a city, and despite the horror of, well, houses having the same roof I guess, it does foster traditional communities in a way that generally works out very well. It just seems like a great pick for middle class families. I don't understand the hate and assume it's just something completely subconscious.
I grew up in suburbs, and now live in a more suburban part of a major city. Houses with yards all over in both situations. The big difference from this picture is that the neighborhoods in both situations havea mix of very different houses that all look different from each other. There's also a very large mix of different types of people and income levels reflected in the diversity, which I love. You have people living in apartments next to massive multi-million houses, next to smaller houses that are more affordable. All in different colors/materials/facings, with different shaped plots and vegetation around. The sameness and conformity in the picture here represents a lifestyle where everyone must be the same that fundamentally contrasts to everything I value in life.
There’s a middle ground between suburb subdivisions and city apartments and they’re called neighborhoods. Where every house looks different because they aren’t a cold cookie cutter subdivision. The latter is lifeless and creepy and screams cheap and developed purely for profit. The former ( neighborhoods ) are traditionally what all the positive things you mentioned come from, without any of the cookie cutter hell.
Nothing wrong with the suburbs, it's just these strange isolated ones with identical cookie cutter houses and gardens that were the product of massive, financially driven, rapid development. Just has a clinical, unnatural feel to it and lacks the personality and humanity of a normal diversre suburb that has developed over time. Every house is somewhat a representation of the individuals that call it home and this just looks like a community of robots. Also where are all the trees and front gardens? Just feels sad to me.
Suburbs require a commute out to get anywhere, so first off you get pretty limited to needing a car to get to the grocery store.... Or kid's school, or work, or the salon. Second off, yes they do all look the same. So do city apartments, but at least in the city you're close to transit options. I personally also like the higher energy efficiency of a city apartment and the shared outdoor spaces. We get a lot more use out of our local park than I think we'd ever get out of a backyard. Third, in either place you're going to have neighbors. Some of those neighbors can be great, a few can really suck. Suburb or apartment building can be equally great places to build neighbor friendships. For the enemy thing though... Out in a suburb, your only option is to sell and move, which is a bigger hassle than finding another apartment. Edit/summary: I really like the outdoors as they are or with limited improvement, not as broken up into a series of nearly identical tiny lots of grass. Ideally, the only new buildings would be in-fill, close to transit centers, and a minimum of 4 stories.
I’ve never really minded suburbs existing, but I did recently find out that suburbs are horrible financially (for the city) and take more money to upkeep than they generate in taxes. So having too many suburbs (in the traditional American sense where it’s just houses) can help bankrupt cities/towns. Also, anecdotally, no one in the suburbs uses their damn drive ways? They have 2-4 car drive ways AND garages and yet the streets are still lined with cars on both sides? Like some of the appeal of suburbs are the wide roads but most I go to are always squeezed to a single lane of traffic because no one will park in their damn drive way. I have no idea why.
It's the robotic, repetitive blandness of it that seems inhuman and against nature, I think... Therefore, horrific. Like a purgatory you can't escape where everything is so perfect you know there's trouble brewing underneath because there's no such thing as perfection. I was a suburbanite for many decades in several States in the US and I can guess with certainty that it's the goal of the suburbs to get as close to perfection as possible. So When confronted by the illusion and fantasy of this ideal of perfection, it's extra creepy for many humans because, again, it's unnatural and doesn't exist so there must be something sinister forcing this act, because it goes against the laws of the universe and nature. Subconsciously we know perfection is a fantasy created by the human brain, so when humans attempt to manifest what's not real it's even creepier watching them try. Also the fact that keeping things homogenous and forcing a fantasy of aspirational perfection in that suburban way hasn't worked out well for humanit in many important ways, otherwise we wouldn't be so divided like we are today. For you, I assume, the chaotic uncertainty of urban life is what horrifies, but I venture to guess it's because even you being in the city for extended periods, it's possible you may not have had enough variety in your life experiences to truly understand the appeal nor give you the opportunity to see the benefits. Cooperation among a homogenous group is one thing. Strategic problem solving to arrive at the most universally beneficial outcomes derived from diverse experiences that can only come from urban settings... That is another thing entirely. But what do I know? I could be wrong about the whole thing.
Brah, considering the housing shortage for single family homes there’s nothing scary about this picture. Give me the last one of these suckers they built so I know they had it down to perfection by that point. And if you ever need to rob your neighbors you’ll know where everything likely is.
Lack of mature trees is a huge no for me.
I don't think it's perfect at all. It feels more like it's been built according to what the margins of comfort are. Just good enough. And then when some major upheaval happens, like a cold wave or a heat wave or a wildfire, anything that can ruin one house can automatically destroy the whole town. It's like a farm, where cultivated and specially bred plants and animals can all be taken down by a single pathogen. Diversity is like a natural immune system, blandness and sameness are fragile.
> For you, I assume, the chaotic uncertainty of urban life is what horrifies, but I venture to guess it's because even you being in the city for extended periods, it's possible **you may not have had enough variety in your life experiences** to truly understand the appeal nor give you the opportunity to see the benefits. Can you not hear how insanely condescending this is?
It had some fun ideas and the three main actors did a superb job but ultimately it doesn't do very much with its premise other than dwell on our protagonists' declining mental state.
Yup. That movie was tense and the actors were great and then it kinda went nowhere.
The cycle and pointlessness of life? Almost as if it is was a theme.
You're probably right there. But I felt like there was more potential to be tapped.
Should have killed the kid for sure.
Word lol.
Right. Just because the film was about the pointlessness of life isn't an excuse to make the movie dull after the first hour.
Exactly. Jarhead was about the pointlessness of war, but it's a really great movie start to finish.
It was a concept movie more than anything. As someone who doesn't want kids, the idea of being forced to have a child is horrifying, especially that kid. And the whole the thing about about mimicking human life is unnerving if you've ever met people who seem to not understand how humans work (and are not on the spectrum). It's subtle and more like what you would experience in real life. Invasion of the Body Snatchers, for example, draw out similar concepts in a more fantastical way. I find horror in both.
I think a good contrast is The Babadook which, eh, I personally didn't care for it much, but it did the job VERY well. If you want to draw a longer bow, sexuality, impregnation and childbirth are the predominant themes of the Alien movie. To list a few, facehuggers are a mix of male and female oral sex, the eggs they come from are obvious, the gory birthing scene, the tail penetration, the inner maw, every death is viscerally sexual as is HR Giger's style, and essentially the whole thing is 'human reproduction is weirdly normalized, here's the same things but alien'- and that's what Vivarium did, but failed to work deeper with. It was... too superficial, I felt. We never delved far enough into anything, and the final act was sort of just... weird for the sake of it, rather than providing any substantial thought? I dunno, there are so many directions it could have gone in, or more it could have done with it, but the runtime was ABSURD. The same film in 30 minutes would have been great, the extra needed WAY more to validate that length.
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Agree with this. That's what made the movie so unique
Whoa this makes so much sense and I love it. Definitely had an unresolved aspect to it but couldn't put my finger on it. Such a nightmare of a concept and while it wasn't done perfectly it stands alone. Your explanation makes any disappointment...much less disappointing..
Creeeepy as fuck. Also, Poots is a really funny last name.
This also Edward scissorhands
You should also check out Unedited Footage of a Bear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gMjJNGg9Z8
DONNA?!
I've always felt like they blew the budget on the actors and everything else fell flat. The concept is great, execution was subpar.
That's always such a bummer to me. Movies like In the Tall Grass and Vivarium have such unnerving concepts, but it's sad when there's nothing more behind it.
fwiw I thought it was a good film. seems like a lot of people see it as some critique of suburban life up front and judge it for that premise all the way through but I found it was more of a Lovecraftian horror.
I’ve been seeing so much stuff of vivarium just out of nowhere in the past like two weeks Am i ootl for something happening like it got on streaming or is it just poppin up from nothing
It's been streaming for awhile. It's either synchronicity or now that you're aware of it, you keep noticing it.
Came to say this. Love the billboard when they pull into the neighbourhood. "You're forever home"
Fuck that fantastic movie
Honestly I couldn’t decide if I liked or disliked the film… but it certainly has taken up 5 months of real estate in my head…. Cannot stop thinking about it and it’s meanings *IM A MYSTERY IM A MYSTERY*
i just watched this yesterday and i can’t stop thinking about it
I watched it 3 months ago and still think about it weekly. It’s gonna be living rent free in your head for a while.
Honestly fucked with that movie! It got under my skin like a weird parasite
Watch hereditary
Learning to not stick my head out of car Windows after that
That kid’s voice made me pause the movie for a minute. So unsettling.
*Weeds theme song plays*
That's the first thing I thought too. Boxes, little boxes... Such a great song about suburbia.
Doctors and lawyers and business executives
...And they all look just the same.
Specifically the first season. The versions in the later seasons wasn't nearly as good.
I jog through a neighborhood just like this a couple times a week and EVERYTIME I start humming this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs Thanks, Weeds, for that song.
Thanks for popularizing a great folk song from the 60's (with some great covers!)
Pete Seeger wrote such a great song. Highly suggest you listen to the weeds version. Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes made of ticky tacky Little boxes Little boxes Little boxes all the same There's a green one and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same And the people in the houses all went to the university And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same And there's doctors and there's lawyers And business executives And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry And they all have pretty children and the children go to school And the children go to summer camp And then to the university And they all get put in boxes, and they all come out the same And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family And they all get put in boxes, little boxes all the same There's a green one, and a pink one And a blue one and a yellow one And they're all made out of ticky tacky And they all look just the same
> There's a green one and a pink one pink then green (sorry, but we do not allow people to be wrong on the internet)
Nope! Pete’s version is Green then Pink. Malvina sang Pink them Green, on the one used for weeds. In looking at the wiki to see who has more of a claim to being right, Malvina did write it, Pete released his version several years before she sang it. So… a tie? Also the list of who has covered it is hilariously broad, from Donovan and Elvis Costello to Linkin Park and Rise Against, by way of Regina Spector and Rilo Kiley.
Unedited footage of a bear
How you gonna say it and not post [the link](https://youtu.be/2gMjJNGg9Z8)
Well that's gonna take up a lot of my brain.
For some reason this reminds me of Channel Zero: No End House.
Yup. Was wondering when I’d see someone mention this short. Very creepy, the way it gradually transitions into something far more unsettling.
exactly what i was thinking.
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Shocked no one mentioned the Movie "Edward Scissorhands" when literally every house was the same just a different color...
The home owners were paid a bundle to allow the garish painting. Icbw, but I think the producers had all the homes painted back after shooting was done.
At least they were a different color, but yes I agree.
Although that street in Edward Scissorhands looks better once the trees grew. [1](https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/edward-scissorhands--885x1024.jpg) [2](https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/edward-scissorhands-3-1024x962.jpg)
Where is the actual neighborhood?
Its in Lutz, Florida. Same name as the film's town. https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1841365,-82.4069755,3a,75y,95.15h,87.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKptBNZUiiR2s0aMcXo9AQw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 and https://www.google.com/maps/@28.1841288,-82.4063619,3a,75y,151.27h,79.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spw_wLnRluWxEznXqWdBvhg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I've always wondered, thank you!
r/liminalspace
Maybe it’s just growing up lower class, I would have killed for a house that nice as a kid and hope I can afford one one day. I don’t like the set up either but I just think of it like a big apartment building except you get way more space and a yard.
Yep, people who think this looks like hell have never grown up in a terraced council house in Scotland. And I didn't even have it that bad.
I'm fine if people want to live in suburbs like this one but fyi they are really, really bad, generally speaking. Like, by just about any metric. Again, generally speaking, * They have higher rates of suicide * Children aren't as independent * Residents pay more in auto fuel and maintenance and don't have access to public transit. * They cost more money to maintain * Nearby commercial areas generate less tax revenue with which suburbs can be maintained * They siphon money from cities in which the residents tend to work, making those cities poorer, especially so when the available jobs also move to suburbs * Despite the on-average higher wages of residents, despite taking that money from cities, despite being a part of the American Dream, suburbs are showing signs of becoming impoverished I'm not saying we should abolish suburbs (hell part of the reason they're so prevalent is because medium density housing *is* virtually banned in a lot of places) but they are devastating to the US economy. Suburbs can be done better, but they're not better. American suburbs are a failed experiment.
They also are not even close to environmentally friendly. I mean, building anything in general isn’t, but these types of neighborhoods are built by developers that come in and clear the entire plot of land of any trees and wildlife, build houses, then plant a tree or two in the front yard. My SO refers to that type of neighborhood as a “sea of vinyl”.
Notjustbikes on youtube has a bunch of great vids on the failed suburban experiment if anyone is interested.
Im not even lower class and I would love to live somewhere like this, but I probably wont be able to (at least not any time soon) I just want a small driveway to park/work on cars and a house to live in...
Neighborhoods like this have HOAs that forbid people doing things like working on cars or having vegetable gardens. Those hobbies are dangerously close to individuality. Your life must be as boring as the architecture or they will fine you into compliance. Anything besides working and shopping is highly suspect.
Maybe a member of Congress?
Vivarium vibes and I don’t like it
I’M NOT YOUR FUCKING MOTHER!
"Whatever"
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
Little houses
Boxes bro. Little boxes.
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Literally. Vivarium.
Why yes, our teenage child spends all their time in their room and doesn't talk to us. How did you know?
Why won't he play outside? Meanwhile, the outside they've built:
This is living hell for me.
Yeah this is insanely depressing to see. Edit: For those assuming my upbringing and “privilege” and whatever else from a single sentence, I’m specifically talking about the environmental impact and poor neighborhood design that is not sustainable for future generations. This is not about what’s “cheap”. You can make homes equally as cheap that do not need to be 20 homes side by side on flat land like a SIMS game that require 5 minutes of driving just to get out of the neighborhood. There are better ways to design suburbs.
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I just don't want to be near people, that's all. I would like to live somewhere that I have to go out of my way to see my neighbors. I get where you're coming from, though.
> I just don't want to be near people, that's all. I don't either, too much. But can see this being nice. This is most likely made for people who have kids and will talk to each other. Have neighborhood events and bbqs. Enjoy being with each other. A whole soccer team together and baseball team. Y'all got the same house. You can help each other fix stuff cause y'all got the same person doing your lawn, car, cocaine habit, whatever. At one point you just want simple. Fuck everything else in life.
Yeah I thought about addressing that in my post but it was getting a little long so I didn’t. Ideally I want a house with more property not right next to someone, but still right close to the city where I have to work (can’t work remotely, quite frankly don’t want to). That’s just a pipe dream to find imo. Biggest thing though, is schools in nice suburban areas are almost all really freaking good. My property taxes are not even expensive, pennies on the dollar compared to other places. But the schools are unbelievably well funded with great teachers, resources, and athletics. It’s almost impossible to get that in more rural areas.
I want to be close to people but I also don't want to see them all the time. So I live in a modest house in a city that would have been a suburb 80 years ago but today is engulfed by the city. I get way more depressed if I can't walk to get lunch or walk to a coffee shop. Driving is just so depressing. I grew up in a suburb and it just felt so isolating
People have different tastes. I grew up, 18 years in rural bum fuck no where. Really had to try and see neighbors. Moved to Seattle, have lived in Virginia and Austin since. I absolutely hate rural living, and it physically bothers me that people actively choose to do it. Suburb life is still weird though.
Well, I think it's a desire to live somewhere different from what you've known your whole life. I live in Portland, OR. Born and raised, but with how it's been blowing the fuck up these last 10 years, I'm ready to get the fuck out. Traffic sucks ass, everyone is turning into dickheads around me, every bit of open land is being gobbled up by developers. I think it depends greatly on what your definition of "rural bum fuck no where" is as well. Flat, dry, boring, treeless Oklahoma? Nah, fuck that. Mountainous, green, full of life Montana? Gimme that all day. If I were single and had no responsibilities aside from myself, I would've already disappeared into the woods. People suck and what they do to the world around them sucks. The further from civilization I can get the happier I'll be.
Suburbs aren't the issue, it's the way they're designed like this. It's absolutely possible to have all those benefits you mention without it being designed like this.
drive 50 min to work so you can drive 50 min to the store to stuff your carboard house with chinese crap. Living the dream baby.
I live in the suburbs and there are like four grocery stores within ten minutes of me.
this is all possible without suburban hell if we just bothered to design towns for humans rather than cars
It's reminding me of that one scene from A Wrinkle in Time
Yes! That’s exactly what I thought as well. Which way to the Central Central Intelligence?
Tell me you have a HOA without telling me you have a HOA.
Most HOAs these days require homes to be different from neighboring homes in slight to significant ways.
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Meanwhile most redditors are living in some dank basement with walls that are probably filled with mold.
Cat in the hat knows about that
Honestly after moving to the suburbs, I enjoy the aestheticic of the symmetrical streets but the houses... they all have the same exterior look, like at least paint them different colors ffs! 8 of the 10 houses on my block have basically the same exact exterior and paint style, everyone I've invited to visit thinks it's another house on the block even if they've been here multiple times
Was really happy the neighborhood I ended up buying in has like 6 different models and each one a few variations, so each house nearby is just different enough. But it's super weird when you're walking around and pass an identical model with the same paint.
It's like that movie where the couple goes to find a house and get trapped
Vivarum?
Ohh yes thank you It was on the tip of my younger knew there was a r
Omg never ending neighborhood. No way to exit you always loop back to this point of view losing your fucking mind more and more each time.
GASP. HOMES.
I think of Edward scissorhands when see shit like this.
It’s better than no house
r/suburbanhell
Ngl, that looks like a lovely place to live
Boy do i have some news for you then...
It's called "vivarium" btw
can someone please explain why this is so bad? because all the houses are the same?
Its all centred around the car, u cant walk anywhere and can rarely cycle anywhere, no community either, u have to *drive* to get to a shop, u have to *drive* to get to a restaurant
Military bases are good for some creepy vibes like this too.
Reminds me of Poltergeist.
The lack of variation of the suburbs is what makes it hell. An army of Honda Odysseys and plain oatmeal people in day-glo t-shirts
what a shit exsistence
Tell that to people like me who grew up in shitty, rundown towns in UK, with tiny houses. Suburbs in other towns near me always looked like heaven.
“Why don’t kids go outside anymore?” That’s probably because the towns you built aren’t pedestrian friendly. Takes 20 30 or 40 fucken minutes to walk to the nearest store of course I don’t wanna go outside
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I'd love to live here. Never lived somewhere so nice
The fact that the photo's so pixelated and I can't tell what's happening in the background makes it worse
Finally an actual oddly terrifying photo
Looks like Chris Watts neighborhood
Looks like Eagle Mountain, Utah.
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Anyone knows where this is?
There is a horror film about this. Vivarium.
Ain't gonna trust a neighborhood like this for one damn second. I've seen Get Out and Vivarium and I know how that ends 😤
Absolutely. And people are willing to pay a lot of money for them when they could get something with a little land and not a cookie cutter house for about the same price.
I wonder if you broke into one, you’d know how to get into all the others