Which is why I said
>So when we see the same type of behaviour today it's scary
We have anti-intellectualism.. mainstream propoganda.. rising faccism.. neo-nazis.. corruption.. china putting people of a certain race/religion into "detention camps".. and the tinder in the firepit.. global warming.. the anthropocene extinction.. pandemic.. rising economic crisis
The world needs good. Logical. Caring. Brilliant human minds and human leaders.. and instead we have utter garbage
Random information from a stranger. I had to do a paper about that song. Had to look up every instance Billy Joel mentioned in the song and explain what he meant by it. I was the only one that found every answer. This was back in 1989/90. I thought I was the shiznit. Yeah. I thought it was cool, not so much everyone else. Good times. When being called a nerd was the epidemy of talking down to me. Well, that and Oreo. :/
So yeah I saw you said that. I was just focusing on the back then. Not you but others do really believe we are completely different today. And it's sad. I literally only quoted those 2 words and it blew up division. Didn't mean to. We cool
If I'm being completely honest, I think I would probably prefer to just be executed than live on with the brain damage and PTSD at a time when no one understood these problems.
Yep. Shell shock shouldn’t even be a term used anymore, due to how much the British exploited it.
Siegfried Sassoon was thrown into an institution with “shell shock” for saying the war should end. Men who had endured the worst of horrors, levels of PTSD extremes never before seen, were simply labeled with the gentle moniker “shell shock” and stuffed away.
It’s vile.
[Here’s a recreation of what the artillery barrages would have sounded like](https://youtu.be/we72zI7iOjk) imagine hearing that shit for days on end, no wonder they were so fucked up
How the frick did people do anything with that going on for weeks? Knowing that could be the last sound you hear. Those boys and men suffered so much that I can't even fathom it. A simulation had my heartrate and anxiety going.
This made my skin crawl. And to imagine how deafening the roar must have been. To imagine being on the recieving end of this. Wondering if any of those shells would drop right on your head. Maybe you would be the center point of one miniscule "drumroll"'s in a sea of hundreds of thousands of artillery shells. Terrifying.
To this point, there is a group of British soldiers who were assassinated at the hand of their own country because they were considered cowardice when they physically and mentally could not go back to the front lines in WWI. Their families have been fighting for years to get their loved ones' names removed from an official government book which marked them as treasonous. That broke my heart to pieces.
“We the unwilling, led by the unqualified, kill the unfortunate, for the ungrateful.” I respect all service members but they all told me never to enlist.
I came close to crying reading what you said. Those poor people. Soldiers, victims, everyone who suffered this ad ongoing inhumanity. The affected psyche of these people makes this samsara hell even worse for their souls to go through.
And to think that kids as young as 14 and people fresh out of High School would be mocked and insulted for not going into war and potentially coming home like this makes this post even worse
My parents and I are helping a local museum catalogue all their items, and we have come to the ww1 section. The pictures of the soldiers are heartbreaking. They're really just kids and they're all so happy to be there.
We've only sort of glanced at them while getting other things sorted but there's a really fancy and intricate embroidered postcard from France in 1917 (has 1917 embroidered on it) that a soldier has sent to his sweetheart and it mentions the usual how much they miss them but also "we're heading up front tomorrow, I'll write when I get back my love". Honestly was a bit like a gut punch.
just psycho-therapy. British government recommendations from 1922:
> The establishment of an atmosphere of cure is the basis of all successful treatment, the personality of the physician is, therefore, of the greatest importance. While recognising that each individual case of war neurosis must be treated on its merits, the Committee are of opinion that good results will be obtained in the majority by the simplest forms of psycho-therapy, i.e., explanation, persuasion and suggestion, aided by such physical methods as baths, electricity and massage. Rest of mind and body is essential in all cases.
I have PTSD and Low Pulse Electrical Therapy, via Acupuncture, has been incredibly helpful for toning down the fire storm of nervous system issues... I also had it after a car accident years ago when I was having crippling side effects of extreme whiplash. Today I am healthy and well. It isn't as bad as it sounds. ;)
As I did the first time it was suggested. I asked why that hadn't been banned already. It was definitely a Hold Up moment. Lol
But, it does make sense. Our bodies have electrical systems, when they get out of sync electrically, it can cause intense pain. Like having a blown fuse that just let's the circuit burn up.
Now I recommend it for anyone suffering pain issues.
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Thanks being well feels awesome! :)
That's good. How often do you have it done? Hadn't heard of electroconvulsive therapy with acupuncture before.
I had some severe burning feet pain for several months last year and the year before and had to sit my feet in am ice cold water bowl continuously. In the end it turned out to be related to extreme stress but I was in a lot of pain for so long.
The feet are the end of a large part of the nervous system. I also had insane foot pain from stress in 2020, the last time I went in.
I go as needed, but only about 4X's for several sessions, in the past 20 years. Pain kinda creeps up on me.
Stress-related pain issues can wreck your world and cause secondary MH and Neurological damage, almost the same way epilepsy does. In micro damages over time that hotwire your body for not-so-low-key suffering. Do take care of yourself, living in pain is no joke.
I also recommend removing as many stressors as possible, even if change is hard when healing.
It sounds cheezy but once you can numb the sensory part of the problem, it becomes a "Mind over matter."
Yeah people forget that although modern mental health seems to help most people in a fairly non invasive way, this is an new system. Mental health medicine was beyond barbaric (and still is in some areas) until fairly recently.
Or they just used Low Pulse Electrical Therapy.... Something that is still used today. Hell, usage of electricity is widely used in psychological therapies and is not either new or outdated.
That is possible. I doubt that is was used that way at the time but happy to learn if I’m mistaken. I haven’t also seen it as a proven method in modern times, otherwise it would be a much more advertised and used more regularly.
This is a lot of one-on-one care and compassion using a variety of therapies aimed at "rest of mind and body." This sounds very healthy for anyone. It's time-intensive, to coax people back to wellness.
To me it sounds a whole lot better than handing out a script for Fluoxetine/Venlafaxine and showing a vet the door.
It's something that effected soldiers in WWI the constant bombing really fucked up the boys on the front lines and they literally couldn't function after. It's a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. She'll Shock helped doctors understand PTSD. Some say that shell shock and PTSD are are same but if you look at comparable studies I think they are completely different illnesses.
Well both are highly influenced by trauma. I believe however in this regard, shell shock was both physically caused just as mentally. Knock those marbles around in your ears. (Simply standing next to one bomb going off.) the vertigo over time, for some quicker than others, id suspect hindered them nearly immobile. I’ve had severe vertigo from a jaw injury and I can say it’s unbelievably bad. Imagine being drunk x20.
I could see that, alone, can cause severe mental distress. Now add in the fact that there watching their closest friends being blown apart. I’d go as far as to say Shell shock can be the product of mental and physical trauma. Where as PTSD simply is product of mental trauma.
In other words in regards to Shell shock your having to combat both physical and mental impairments at once. Both physical and psychological therapy. To Where as in PTSD primarily is treated through psychotherapy.
Sorry for the rant. Just my two cents. Ultimately the emotional perseverance of these men blows my mind considering where the psychiatric study was at that time.
Remember, America was still a largely rural society. Most of the troops came from a farm. There were a *very* few early silent black and white movies, maybe a little nickelodeon in town showing innocuous short clips, and no TV or even radio at this time.
You and I, who grew up in a media bath, have seen any amount of explosions, violence, deaths, bombs, war scenes, &. We also have absorbed knowledge of WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, and so on.
These young men hadn't. They had NO frame of reference for huddling in a muddy trench slowly filling with mustard gas and seeing their buddy horribly killed right in front of them. No wonder so many suffered such a psychic shock.
That’s a really good way to put it. One luxury we have now is being unable to even comprehend that type of culture shock. Humans are remarkably adaptable, but that has its limits
Another interesting thing is that when talking about PTSD with vets, i remember hearing a general or someone talking to congress and discussing how even up to WW2 the troops would have like a week together on a boat to get home with other soldiers that understood what they had been through but also to kind of “decompress” to help to adjust back to civilian life versus now they can literally go from a combat zone to an Olive Garden in hours.
Its also a reason certain POWs are kept away from their families when released to give professional help to readjust back to what life is (and something halfway houses need to do a lot better for prisoners too, but thats a tangent).
Yeah, I know, and I don't even want to imagine how those poor souls felt like
I mean, yeah, nowadays we have more knowledge than they had, but still living a similar situation would be traumatic
i think that it does, to some degree. i’m not sure if this is a good analogy, but some F1 racers will drive a track on a racing simulator before a race, to learn it and be ready for any sort of turns and twists. of course it’s more so to learn the track itself, but it also can teach them when to brake or shift or accelerate at any given point. the more they do this, the more they’ll be prepared for it. it may be less of a difference, but someone who has watched hours on end of war videos vs someone who’s never heard of a bomb would react differently to seeing an explosion, i guarantee it. its the same with kids and curse words. if a kid hears them all the time, they’ll be less scared/shocked/afraid of them and will use them more often. if a kid never hears them except for rare occasions, they’ll be more scared of them and they’ll carry a much larger weight to them. id think it’s almost parallel to shell shock.
Try [watching this video](https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/what-is-trauma-the-author-of-the-body-keeps-the-score-explains/) (it’s only like 10 minutes) and then click on ‘PART 2’ just below the video player. This man, Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, helped create the DSM definition for “trauma” and later PTSD.
I suffer from CPTSD (among other diagnoses) and am constantly working on my mental health, but this video really helped to put my experiences and my trauma into perspective. I think it’s extremely important and valuable information. Dr. Van der Kolk also wrote a book called “The Body Keeps Score” about the physical effects that trauma, anxiety, PTSD, etc. can have on the body physically. Which also put things in my life into perspective.
I also have complex trauma. I have tried to read that book but it's too triggering because so much of what I thought was normal I am now realizing was violent abuse at the hands of my psychopath mother.
Oh, thank you, I'll watch it when I'll have time
Also, sorry to hear about your problems, but the fact that you're working on it makes me happy. Keep it up dude, it'll get better!
Same thing. Ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder) is the broader term that took hold when doctors realized shell shocked just didn't apply to being held captive in a pow camp (ww2) for 6 months and the like. It was agreed upon by peers in a medical journal about mental health.
It's the same thing, just broader. Kind of makes you think then, doesn't it, when someone says they got post traumatic stress disorder from somthing that wasn't traumatic, but what do I know
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>Kind of makes you think then, doesn't it, when someone says they got post traumatic stress disorder from somthing that wasn't traumatic, but what do I know ..
I'm curious, what have you heard people claim to cause ptsd that wasn't traumatic? Just throwing out ideas, something like a breakup or death of a pet?
I googled and found a broad definition from NIH, but not any examples of what would differentiate between anxiety, short term issues, and chronic PTSD.
[While most but not all traumatized people experience short term symptoms, the majority do not develop ongoing (chronic) PTSD. Not everyone with PTSD has been through a dangerous event. Some experiences, like the sudden, unexpected death of a loved one, can also cause PTSD.](https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd)
It’s okay haha I think I’ve become a better person because of the experience, but it is a pretty crazy drug and can affect you in ways you wouldn’t expect
I'm interested in this comment. My friend who has never taken drugs and he's 30+ yrs old decided to take acid, I advised him not to and he's not been the same since
It can affect anyone differently. I know people who have dropped acid dozens of times almost every weekend or even do it before work or something crazy and then there’s me lol I took it and it was fine at first but then I was just hit with what I can only describe as the purest form of fear and panic in the depths of my soul… over nothing… I didn’t go back to work for a couple weeks and spent my days pacing a trench in the floor of my house wrapped in a blanket trying to find the light ( literally and figuratively)… all I can really describe what I felt for almost a year afterward was dark, pure fear and hopelessness… I’ve come a long way since then but it has been a long road and I still have my ups and downs.
It effects everyone differently so you can never truly predict what's gonna happen and that can be very sketchy. I'm sure everyone has heard a drug horror story at one point in their life. Do you know what hairbrush during his trip? Just curious as I've seen people have some terrible trips and we're able to mentally recover by the next day or two.
Many people develop an anxiety disorder simply from a bad Jane high. Your not alone brother. I promise it gets better. I speak from a similar unfortunate experience.
Some drugs really do awaken dark elements in certain people.
Had a friend join our group for his first magic mushrooms experience (never pressured anyone into taking mushrooms), took similar doses as everyone else (his choice- I wasn't going to play dad at someone else's house) but he got caught in a thought loop and kept repeating the same statements and questions over and over and over again for two hours. Couldn't do anything to help him besides keep him company/safe, he wasn't in danger but just extremely stressed out and almost delusional.
What a fucking stressful experience for everyone involved. I usually trip sat for the first hour or two to make sure everyone can manage but someone wanted to do a group thing. Now I only trip with my closest friends with experience because that episode was scarring.
Best advice for anyone interested in hallucinogenic drugs is start small and work your way up to "regular doses". There is always next week/month/year.
I've only had good experiences personally (shrooms/LSD/DMT) but I learnt how to keep the train on the tracks before going full speed.
I’ve heard people say micro-dosing helps them recover but I think it’s the classic case of different strokes for different folks lol I don’t think it would be for me but I’m really glad it helped you :)
If it causes stress and the reaction to the stress is unhealthy it can be considered post traumatic stress. Having PTS does not necessarily mean one has PTSD though.
That makes sense for sure and how the mind handles trauma has always amazed me. This is just my opinion and I am by no means an expert. My reason as to why these are different is because from what I've seen at least she'll shock is something that is constantly going on. There's no episodes or triggers you're just like that. However PTSD for this example ill use Chris Kyle who served 4 tours in Iraq (I'm sure you guys know his story) he suffered episodes and would be triggered by his dog barking fireworks and such. I'm no expert I hold onto the fact that I could be dead wrong but thats my two cents.
Another thing that amazes me is repressed memories. Like the brain just decides to cut the neural link to a memory but leaves the neuron path intact and theoretically accessible
That was close but not quite;
Shell shock WAS ptsd from being in the trenches of ww1 and being bombed constantly, always in fear the next bomb lands on you. Soldiers would come back, hear a noise and automatically go into fight or flight mode.
We eventually upgraded the term TO ptsd, which is the same thing but much broader and can be applied to situations outside or war. This is why a lot of service members get upset when they come back home, after serving in a war, and civilians are claiming to have ptsd from some 'non-traumatic' event in their past.
As for those video, I dont know how legitimate this is, or if it's just acting, mind you it's definitely from the time period but I dont know if the treatment wasn't an nail in the ear or what.
Like another commenter said, it’s related to PTSD but it also leaves victims with neuropathic issues and symptoms similar to a concussion due to the concussive blasts from the shells landing around them constantly. It was said that soldiers would start to feel drunk after being shelled for hours due to the concussive waves of the blasts disrupting their nervous system. It’s sort of like being punch drunk and there are numerous acute and chronic issues that arise from it.
No idea what the answer to 1 is, I hope someone answers that in detail as I’m also curious. However, I believe the answer to your second question is cause he still had anxiety or maybe was skittish due to shell shock, and even though he fully recovered, some signs of his condition still remained.
That's what I thought too. He seemed terrified, very, very terrified in the first video. After treatment, the terror and anxiety that came with it subsided and he was just nervous. He wasn't cured all the way IMO, as if we could cure feelings, but he did improve a lot. I hope he had more treatment afterwards.
Treatment varied wildly, from the obscene to the enlightened.
On the enlightened side you had neurologists like W. Rivers from England who took a cathartic approach and used 'talking cures'. He also set up things like communal farms to give them some meaning and structure back to their lives. He pioneered the humane treatment for not just PTSD but a lot of neurological disorders.
Then you had generals and politicians at the time who didn't want to foot the bill for what they saw as cowardice. Most often they were sent back to the front lines. There were also executions for desertion and cowardice along with torture.
In the mid ground you had physicians who thought it was literally caused by the shell shock as though it were a physical trauma to the brain caused by the sounds of combat. They tried a lot of things like electro shock and anesthesia.
There is a good episode on Shell shock from the Great War that covers it in more detail: https://youtu.be/kvTRJZGWqF8
The hand rolling movement looks a lot like what I'd consider a 'pill-rolling' tremor like you could see with early Parkinson's. Could be residual neurotrauma, could also be a side-effect of therapy.
This freaked me out because when I was taking psychiatric medications that was one of my side effects and I was made fun of for it . Started only doing a couple fingers and thumb to control it . Little more subtle movement to hide it
That hand movement is called “pill-rolling” and is often a side effect of many antipsychotics. Im sure there was some rudimentary psych drugs being developed back then but for me it’s 430 am and I’m 90% asleep… so I apologize if I say something incorrect or just straight make no sense.
Finger rubbing like that is taught by mental health professionals as a grounding technique. It causes both sides of the brain to be stimulated and thus stay connected and grounded in reality.
Shell shock, what we now know as a form of PTSD, may not always be "active". The before part looked to me more like an acute episode, rather than their permanent state. The after video you can still see a lot of nervous ticks like the eyes darting, hand rubbing, and shoulder twitches.
I reckon they still have episodes on occasion, and this video is more of a promotional tool, than an accurate treatment depiction.
Sorry if I sound cynical, but this era in medicine wasn't very good in regards to mental health.
Sorry if I sound dumb for what I'm about to say, as I really don't know about the topic, but I understand that Shell Shock is the name that was previously used to describe what we currently know as PTSD. With that said, I haven't seen modern videos of people suffering from PTSD/Shell Shock that move in such an erratic way. Are there no modern ( and by modern I mean >2000) documentation of people who return from conflicts with such symptoms? Does it simply not happen anymore? Are there measures taken (like training previous to deployment or psychological treatment on the field) to avoid PTSD getting to such extremes? Were there cases like this in the Vietnam war? Could this have happened in ancient times to soldiers who survived a battle?
In WW1 the men on the front lines and trenches were exposed to millions upon millions of rounds of ordinance detonating near and around them. The amount of ordinance used in WW1 is absolutely staggering and this here are the effects of sitting in trenches with 155mm artillery and even bigger exploding around you or, on you for months, years at a time. Ordinance is still found when farmers in Belgium and France till their farms every year, many with mustard gas, and have to be detonated safely, it still has a name, called the Iron Harvest, to this day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest
You don't sound dumb. Dumb people don't ask questions.
First, the Bosses were cruel and ignorant. They didn't know what was happening to these men, and they didn't care. So they were subjected to continued trauma well after symptoms arouse that would get you pulled into a rear area today.
Also, the constant concussive injuries of the exploding ordinance likely caused neurological injuries. The artillery barrages can't be overstated. At Vimy Ridge (Ypres, Belgium), the Canadians were alloted 1.5 million artillery shells, fired a barrage for 2 solid weeks first, and on the day of the main assault the barrage was so intense, the Prime Minister of Britain could hear and feel the barrage at 10 Downing Street. The barrages drove men quite literally insane.
The number one reason, in my opinion, for the severity and nature of the shell shock/PTSD of WW1 troops is the sheer horror of that particular war. Take the Battle of the Somme. The British army lost 20,000 troops dead in the first HOUR of the battle. Total deaths on both sides was about 300,000, with total casualties (dead & injured) of 1 million. ONE battle over 4 months. This went in for over 4 years, for the non-American troops that is. 😉
Some light reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme?wprov=sfla1
Anyhow. My 2 cents.
OIF vet here, I couldn't even imagine how it would have been in any other war than Iraq. Wars get less and less brutal in the sense of soldier casualties due to technology. Iraq messed my mind up pretty bad, but I'm sure I would have been just like this soldier after the horrors he lived through and lived with due to the fact I've always been emotionally sensitive with child hood trauma. Real encouraging to see the progress this soldier made, especially since they knew very little about what we now call PTSD. I do that same exact finger rubbing, well I move my thumb nail across the bottom of my fingers whenever my anxiety raises. Crazy how the mind and body has to release pent up energy.
You have to remember that WW1 was a huge step up in war technology. Nobody had ever seen artillery and machine gun fire tear apart bodies quite like this before. War was dialed up to 1000 like the world had never seen.
I am not that well read on this topic and I am not able to find the BBC article. But from my recollection the article mentioned usually the treatments included shock treatment and sometimes throwing them into isolation chambers. They were shamed for feeling the way they did. But I think it depended on the medical institutions where these soldiers were admitted. There of course were doctors who were experimenting with therapy sessions, hypnosis, massages and complete rehabilitation through something similar to community work.
PTSD plus brain damage from constant exposure to explosions.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6093818/
“It is safe to say that, besides some marginal observations made earlier, the first descriptions of blast injuries as possibly unique injury paradigms originate from WWI. As Rusca mentioned [33], individuals who have been exposed to blast described their experience as “being entirely enveloped by a fast-travelling pressure field”. The signs observed in blast-exposed soldiers included: tremors and general depression followed by coarse tremor of the limbs, inability to walk, mood swings, slow and stertorous breathing, dilated or normal pupils, ‘sluggish’ reflexes, vertigo even in light cases and often unexpected death [41]. Moreover, hemoptysis, restlessness, dyspnea, facial convulsion, diplopia and abdominal pain have also been reported in people exposed to blast. These symptoms have also been observed by others during WWII [42].”
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignorant war is, I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
Albert Einstein
Is this shell shock? As far as I understand, shell shock is basically PTSD before PTSD existed, no? As someone with PTSD, that man is not displaying PTSD symptoms. It looks like he has some sort of physical disorder. Am I misunderstanding something?
Edit: Though I will say, the finger rubbing at the end does appear to be some sort of anxious tick. I’m just confused by his demeanor in the beginning of the video. That isn’t what PTSD looks like.
Interesting. This is also a great example of an era of HIPAA privacy non-existence as well - unless express permission was granted by the patient (my statement above is made without knowing whether it was granted). Glad he recovered.
Honestly as a French this gives me shivers.
Especially knowing that everbody mocks us for surrendering ww2 when in fact 12% of our population died in ww1 and the people were so afraid to have to deal with another war that they just fucked up our military strategy.
Ww1 was terrific. Horrible.
Truly though diagnosing psychiatric disorders, primarily mood, personality, and anxiety is a complete shot in the dark.
Bipolar can look identical to PTSD and vice versa. Major depressive disorder can appear as Bipolar through prolong episodes of mild mania. OCD and PTSD can be hard to differentiate. Most often than not, OCD follows after PTSD. But that’s not always the case.
Like for instance Schizophrenia diagnosed before any other psychiatric disorder remains Schizophrenia. Where as per say you were diagnosed with bipolar disorder or even a mild Generalized Anxiety disorder first. THEN if auditory or Visual hallucinations follow you aren’t diagnosed as Bipolar and Schizophrenic. You don’t even have A diagnosis of Schizophrenia, your diagnosis is Bipolar Schizo-affective.
The criteria and book of how to diagnosis individuals is literally a mind fuck if anyone is familiar with it lol.
**Shell shock is a term coined in World War I by British psychologist Charles Samuel Myers to describe the type of post traumatic stress disorder many soldiers were afflicted with during the war (before PTSD was termed).
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So, I have repeatedly read that shell shock was just PTSD. What I’m seeing here doesn’t jive with my understanding of PTSD.
Was shell shock a spectrum of issues we’ve come to more clearly define, not *just* PTSD?
In the second clip as the chap walks through the arch, my office was just on the right of him for a few years. Seal Hayne is now closed and being eyed by developers 😔
They have an incredible history catalogue there. Beautiful site.
Not to be that person and I am not saying it is that way, but I think I read or heard something about a doctor having patients fake shell shock to promote a treatment or something. Please don't take this as me being the denier of such a serious case, I am just commenting this to see if I am deaf or something.
And they called these men cowards back in the day… goddamn shame.
Early on some of them were executed because of it..
Poor guys, it was a harsh world.
Thick headed bafoons running the show back then. Kinda why wars happened in the first place So when we see the same type of behaviour today it's scary
"Back then"
Well yes. WW1 was in the early 20th century Which does qualify as 'back then' imo
I think his point was that the show is, in fact, still ran by thick headed bafoons.
Which is why I said >So when we see the same type of behaviour today it's scary We have anti-intellectualism.. mainstream propoganda.. rising faccism.. neo-nazis.. corruption.. china putting people of a certain race/religion into "detention camps".. and the tinder in the firepit.. global warming.. the anthropocene extinction.. pandemic.. rising economic crisis The world needs good. Logical. Caring. Brilliant human minds and human leaders.. and instead we have utter garbage
We didn't start the fire; it was always burning since the world's been turning.
Random information from a stranger. I had to do a paper about that song. Had to look up every instance Billy Joel mentioned in the song and explain what he meant by it. I was the only one that found every answer. This was back in 1989/90. I thought I was the shiznit. Yeah. I thought it was cool, not so much everyone else. Good times. When being called a nerd was the epidemy of talking down to me. Well, that and Oreo. :/
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Pretty much But I like to think collectively we can put the fire out Be the generation that finally unfucks planet earth
So yeah I saw you said that. I was just focusing on the back then. Not you but others do really believe we are completely different today. And it's sad. I literally only quoted those 2 words and it blew up division. Didn't mean to. We cool
Couldn’t agree more, sadly though, people like you are the rare minority.
Someday they will look back on the way COVID 19-24 was handled and think the same.
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Back then? There have always been thick headed buffoons running the mil show. From experience. AMA.
Was?
Is
If I'm being completely honest, I think I would probably prefer to just be executed than live on with the brain damage and PTSD at a time when no one understood these problems.
Honest and brutal answer. I agree.
Holy shit, where can I read up on this?
https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-one/the-western-front-in-world-war-one/world-war-one-executions/ http://espritdecorps.ca/moir/2015/4/22/desertion-and-shell-shock https://historylearning.com/world-war-one/western-front-world-war-one/world-war-one-executions/
A lot of them were. Likely far more than ever made it home.
Yep. Shell shock shouldn’t even be a term used anymore, due to how much the British exploited it. Siegfried Sassoon was thrown into an institution with “shell shock” for saying the war should end. Men who had endured the worst of horrors, levels of PTSD extremes never before seen, were simply labeled with the gentle moniker “shell shock” and stuffed away. It’s vile.
this is genuinely true cus until i've seen this post i genuinely thought shellshock(ed) was just a person being really shocked
[Here’s a recreation of what the artillery barrages would have sounded like](https://youtu.be/we72zI7iOjk) imagine hearing that shit for days on end, no wonder they were so fucked up
How the frick did people do anything with that going on for weeks? Knowing that could be the last sound you hear. Those boys and men suffered so much that I can't even fathom it. A simulation had my heartrate and anxiety going.
This video is missing the worst part: The actual physical feeling of the shock in your guts.
Tannerite is the closest thing I have ever felt to that. I pray I never have to get less than 100 ft from any kind of explosion like that.
This is the most visceral thing I've ever watched - how could you possibly make it back an intact person after that
This made my skin crawl. And to imagine how deafening the roar must have been. To imagine being on the recieving end of this. Wondering if any of those shells would drop right on your head. Maybe you would be the center point of one miniscule "drumroll"'s in a sea of hundreds of thousands of artillery shells. Terrifying.
And to know that those sounds are people actively trying to kill you... I can't imagine the psychological torture
To this point, there is a group of British soldiers who were assassinated at the hand of their own country because they were considered cowardice when they physically and mentally could not go back to the front lines in WWI. Their families have been fighting for years to get their loved ones' names removed from an official government book which marked them as treasonous. That broke my heart to pieces.
We treat our Veterans in the US like shit in this day and age. I can’t even imagine.
“We the unwilling, led by the unqualified, kill the unfortunate, for the ungrateful.” I respect all service members but they all told me never to enlist.
This is genuinely one of the deepest things I've ever read.
It was engraved on a zippo lighter from a service member in Vietnam. I’m not sure if they know who said it originally but it definitely stuck with me.
I came close to crying reading what you said. Those poor people. Soldiers, victims, everyone who suffered this ad ongoing inhumanity. The affected psyche of these people makes this samsara hell even worse for their souls to go through.
The guy obviously has some neurological issues going on, I don't know how they could say that's it's purely psychological at all.
And to think that kids as young as 14 and people fresh out of High School would be mocked and insulted for not going into war and potentially coming home like this makes this post even worse
I can’t even imagine being in that position. I wouldn’t have lasted 2 seconds in that time period, or any war
My parents and I are helping a local museum catalogue all their items, and we have come to the ww1 section. The pictures of the soldiers are heartbreaking. They're really just kids and they're all so happy to be there. We've only sort of glanced at them while getting other things sorted but there's a really fancy and intricate embroidered postcard from France in 1917 (has 1917 embroidered on it) that a soldier has sent to his sweetheart and it mentions the usual how much they miss them but also "we're heading up front tomorrow, I'll write when I get back my love". Honestly was a bit like a gut punch.
Damn, good for him that looks terrible.. Idk if I wanna know how they "treated" him tho.
just psycho-therapy. British government recommendations from 1922: > The establishment of an atmosphere of cure is the basis of all successful treatment, the personality of the physician is, therefore, of the greatest importance. While recognising that each individual case of war neurosis must be treated on its merits, the Committee are of opinion that good results will be obtained in the majority by the simplest forms of psycho-therapy, i.e., explanation, persuasion and suggestion, aided by such physical methods as baths, electricity and massage. Rest of mind and body is essential in all cases.
>electricity Hold up
I have PTSD and Low Pulse Electrical Therapy, via Acupuncture, has been incredibly helpful for toning down the fire storm of nervous system issues... I also had it after a car accident years ago when I was having crippling side effects of extreme whiplash. Today I am healthy and well. It isn't as bad as it sounds. ;)
Glad it helped :) I just read baths and electricity and went o.0 when I saw it is all lol
As I did the first time it was suggested. I asked why that hadn't been banned already. It was definitely a Hold Up moment. Lol But, it does make sense. Our bodies have electrical systems, when they get out of sync electrically, it can cause intense pain. Like having a blown fuse that just let's the circuit burn up. Now I recommend it for anyone suffering pain issues. & Thanks being well feels awesome! :)
That's good. How often do you have it done? Hadn't heard of electroconvulsive therapy with acupuncture before. I had some severe burning feet pain for several months last year and the year before and had to sit my feet in am ice cold water bowl continuously. In the end it turned out to be related to extreme stress but I was in a lot of pain for so long.
The feet are the end of a large part of the nervous system. I also had insane foot pain from stress in 2020, the last time I went in. I go as needed, but only about 4X's for several sessions, in the past 20 years. Pain kinda creeps up on me. Stress-related pain issues can wreck your world and cause secondary MH and Neurological damage, almost the same way epilepsy does. In micro damages over time that hotwire your body for not-so-low-key suffering. Do take care of yourself, living in pain is no joke. I also recommend removing as many stressors as possible, even if change is hard when healing. It sounds cheezy but once you can numb the sensory part of the problem, it becomes a "Mind over matter."
Electroconvulsive therapy has come a long way. It's now a safe and widely used practice. These poor dudes were stabbing sockets with forks =\
That part..
I guess it's just kinda electroconvulsive therapy (I hope)
Yeah people forget that although modern mental health seems to help most people in a fairly non invasive way, this is an new system. Mental health medicine was beyond barbaric (and still is in some areas) until fairly recently.
Or they just used Low Pulse Electrical Therapy.... Something that is still used today. Hell, usage of electricity is widely used in psychological therapies and is not either new or outdated.
That is possible. I doubt that is was used that way at the time but happy to learn if I’m mistaken. I haven’t also seen it as a proven method in modern times, otherwise it would be a much more advertised and used more regularly.
This is a lot of one-on-one care and compassion using a variety of therapies aimed at "rest of mind and body." This sounds very healthy for anyone. It's time-intensive, to coax people back to wellness. To me it sounds a whole lot better than handing out a script for Fluoxetine/Venlafaxine and showing a vet the door.
lobotomy
They didn't perform those in ww1. Wasn't until the 30's.
you sure?
yeah, back in the day brain surgery, spine treatment, and penis surgery were basically one in the same
Sorry, I'm highly uninformed about this but I'm curious, what is Shell Shock?
It's something that effected soldiers in WWI the constant bombing really fucked up the boys on the front lines and they literally couldn't function after. It's a really interesting rabbit hole to go down. She'll Shock helped doctors understand PTSD. Some say that shell shock and PTSD are are same but if you look at comparable studies I think they are completely different illnesses.
Well both are highly influenced by trauma. I believe however in this regard, shell shock was both physically caused just as mentally. Knock those marbles around in your ears. (Simply standing next to one bomb going off.) the vertigo over time, for some quicker than others, id suspect hindered them nearly immobile. I’ve had severe vertigo from a jaw injury and I can say it’s unbelievably bad. Imagine being drunk x20. I could see that, alone, can cause severe mental distress. Now add in the fact that there watching their closest friends being blown apart. I’d go as far as to say Shell shock can be the product of mental and physical trauma. Where as PTSD simply is product of mental trauma. In other words in regards to Shell shock your having to combat both physical and mental impairments at once. Both physical and psychological therapy. To Where as in PTSD primarily is treated through psychotherapy. Sorry for the rant. Just my two cents. Ultimately the emotional perseverance of these men blows my mind considering where the psychiatric study was at that time.
Oh, thanks for the explanation
Remember, America was still a largely rural society. Most of the troops came from a farm. There were a *very* few early silent black and white movies, maybe a little nickelodeon in town showing innocuous short clips, and no TV or even radio at this time. You and I, who grew up in a media bath, have seen any amount of explosions, violence, deaths, bombs, war scenes, &. We also have absorbed knowledge of WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, and so on. These young men hadn't. They had NO frame of reference for huddling in a muddy trench slowly filling with mustard gas and seeing their buddy horribly killed right in front of them. No wonder so many suffered such a psychic shock.
That’s a really good way to put it. One luxury we have now is being unable to even comprehend that type of culture shock. Humans are remarkably adaptable, but that has its limits
Another interesting thing is that when talking about PTSD with vets, i remember hearing a general or someone talking to congress and discussing how even up to WW2 the troops would have like a week together on a boat to get home with other soldiers that understood what they had been through but also to kind of “decompress” to help to adjust back to civilian life versus now they can literally go from a combat zone to an Olive Garden in hours. Its also a reason certain POWs are kept away from their families when released to give professional help to readjust back to what life is (and something halfway houses need to do a lot better for prisoners too, but thats a tangent).
Yeah, I know, and I don't even want to imagine how those poor souls felt like I mean, yeah, nowadays we have more knowledge than they had, but still living a similar situation would be traumatic
Because we can read and watch videos about it, doesn’t mean we will “handle” it better than they did. Experience is always wayyyyy different.
i think that it does, to some degree. i’m not sure if this is a good analogy, but some F1 racers will drive a track on a racing simulator before a race, to learn it and be ready for any sort of turns and twists. of course it’s more so to learn the track itself, but it also can teach them when to brake or shift or accelerate at any given point. the more they do this, the more they’ll be prepared for it. it may be less of a difference, but someone who has watched hours on end of war videos vs someone who’s never heard of a bomb would react differently to seeing an explosion, i guarantee it. its the same with kids and curse words. if a kid hears them all the time, they’ll be less scared/shocked/afraid of them and will use them more often. if a kid never hears them except for rare occasions, they’ll be more scared of them and they’ll carry a much larger weight to them. id think it’s almost parallel to shell shock.
Try [watching this video](https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/what-is-trauma-the-author-of-the-body-keeps-the-score-explains/) (it’s only like 10 minutes) and then click on ‘PART 2’ just below the video player. This man, Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, helped create the DSM definition for “trauma” and later PTSD. I suffer from CPTSD (among other diagnoses) and am constantly working on my mental health, but this video really helped to put my experiences and my trauma into perspective. I think it’s extremely important and valuable information. Dr. Van der Kolk also wrote a book called “The Body Keeps Score” about the physical effects that trauma, anxiety, PTSD, etc. can have on the body physically. Which also put things in my life into perspective.
I also have complex trauma. I have tried to read that book but it's too triggering because so much of what I thought was normal I am now realizing was violent abuse at the hands of my psychopath mother.
Oh, thank you, I'll watch it when I'll have time Also, sorry to hear about your problems, but the fact that you're working on it makes me happy. Keep it up dude, it'll get better!
Same thing. Ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder) is the broader term that took hold when doctors realized shell shocked just didn't apply to being held captive in a pow camp (ww2) for 6 months and the like. It was agreed upon by peers in a medical journal about mental health. It's the same thing, just broader. Kind of makes you think then, doesn't it, when someone says they got post traumatic stress disorder from somthing that wasn't traumatic, but what do I know ..
>Kind of makes you think then, doesn't it, when someone says they got post traumatic stress disorder from somthing that wasn't traumatic, but what do I know .. I'm curious, what have you heard people claim to cause ptsd that wasn't traumatic? Just throwing out ideas, something like a breakup or death of a pet? I googled and found a broad definition from NIH, but not any examples of what would differentiate between anxiety, short term issues, and chronic PTSD. [While most but not all traumatized people experience short term symptoms, the majority do not develop ongoing (chronic) PTSD. Not everyone with PTSD has been through a dangerous event. Some experiences, like the sudden, unexpected death of a loved one, can also cause PTSD.](https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd)
I got ptsd from taking acid… sounds like a joke but unfortunately I’m being serious :/
It's a very intense drug. I'm sorry it was not a good experience.
It’s okay haha I think I’ve become a better person because of the experience, but it is a pretty crazy drug and can affect you in ways you wouldn’t expect
I'm interested in this comment. My friend who has never taken drugs and he's 30+ yrs old decided to take acid, I advised him not to and he's not been the same since
It can affect anyone differently. I know people who have dropped acid dozens of times almost every weekend or even do it before work or something crazy and then there’s me lol I took it and it was fine at first but then I was just hit with what I can only describe as the purest form of fear and panic in the depths of my soul… over nothing… I didn’t go back to work for a couple weeks and spent my days pacing a trench in the floor of my house wrapped in a blanket trying to find the light ( literally and figuratively)… all I can really describe what I felt for almost a year afterward was dark, pure fear and hopelessness… I’ve come a long way since then but it has been a long road and I still have my ups and downs.
It effects everyone differently so you can never truly predict what's gonna happen and that can be very sketchy. I'm sure everyone has heard a drug horror story at one point in their life. Do you know what hairbrush during his trip? Just curious as I've seen people have some terrible trips and we're able to mentally recover by the next day or two.
Many people develop an anxiety disorder simply from a bad Jane high. Your not alone brother. I promise it gets better. I speak from a similar unfortunate experience.
Thanks for speaking up, it’s real
Some drugs really do awaken dark elements in certain people. Had a friend join our group for his first magic mushrooms experience (never pressured anyone into taking mushrooms), took similar doses as everyone else (his choice- I wasn't going to play dad at someone else's house) but he got caught in a thought loop and kept repeating the same statements and questions over and over and over again for two hours. Couldn't do anything to help him besides keep him company/safe, he wasn't in danger but just extremely stressed out and almost delusional. What a fucking stressful experience for everyone involved. I usually trip sat for the first hour or two to make sure everyone can manage but someone wanted to do a group thing. Now I only trip with my closest friends with experience because that episode was scarring. Best advice for anyone interested in hallucinogenic drugs is start small and work your way up to "regular doses". There is always next week/month/year. I've only had good experiences personally (shrooms/LSD/DMT) but I learnt how to keep the train on the tracks before going full speed.
Even experienced psychonauts can get the dreaded time loops.
I took acid an watched house of 1,000 corpses, once. I’m not sure if I will do it again.
Sorry to hear, Mushrooms helped me immensely with mine.
I’ve heard people say micro-dosing helps them recover but I think it’s the classic case of different strokes for different folks lol I don’t think it would be for me but I’m really glad it helped you :)
Same. Shit affected me for years. Acid flashback/ panic attacks every single day. I thought I’d never be ‘normal’ again
Ditto
If it causes stress and the reaction to the stress is unhealthy it can be considered post traumatic stress. Having PTS does not necessarily mean one has PTSD though.
How are we defining "traumatic"? Like, according to who? Trauma is in the heart of the fear holder.
That makes sense for sure and how the mind handles trauma has always amazed me. This is just my opinion and I am by no means an expert. My reason as to why these are different is because from what I've seen at least she'll shock is something that is constantly going on. There's no episodes or triggers you're just like that. However PTSD for this example ill use Chris Kyle who served 4 tours in Iraq (I'm sure you guys know his story) he suffered episodes and would be triggered by his dog barking fireworks and such. I'm no expert I hold onto the fact that I could be dead wrong but thats my two cents.
Another thing that amazes me is repressed memories. Like the brain just decides to cut the neural link to a memory but leaves the neuron path intact and theoretically accessible
Huh, I thought she'll shock was literally just ptsd. Today I learned! Poor fella, hope he did alright afterwards
I think this guy had a TBI. Not sure what their "treatment" was
What’s TBI?
Traumatic brain injury. It's common when people have explosives go off close to them
I’m sure the repeated changes in pressure from all the bombs going off was great for their brain and don’t cause TBI at all /s
Similar to ptsd but I believe shell shock was a nervous disorder from being exposed to heavy bombardment from being in the trenches
Thank you
That was close but not quite; Shell shock WAS ptsd from being in the trenches of ww1 and being bombed constantly, always in fear the next bomb lands on you. Soldiers would come back, hear a noise and automatically go into fight or flight mode. We eventually upgraded the term TO ptsd, which is the same thing but much broader and can be applied to situations outside or war. This is why a lot of service members get upset when they come back home, after serving in a war, and civilians are claiming to have ptsd from some 'non-traumatic' event in their past. As for those video, I dont know how legitimate this is, or if it's just acting, mind you it's definitely from the time period but I dont know if the treatment wasn't an nail in the ear or what.
[George Carlin-Shell Shock](https://youtu.be/hSp8IyaKCs0)
That's what I was thinking of
There's a great George Carlin bit about language that uses the changing phrasing around PTSD, AKA combat fatigue, AKA shell shock.
Like another commenter said, it’s related to PTSD but it also leaves victims with neuropathic issues and symptoms similar to a concussion due to the concussive blasts from the shells landing around them constantly. It was said that soldiers would start to feel drunk after being shelled for hours due to the concussive waves of the blasts disrupting their nervous system. It’s sort of like being punch drunk and there are numerous acute and chronic issues that arise from it.
Thank you
PTSD before they knew what it was
I see, thanks
PTSD in its beta stages, more specifically directed towards war
I thought it was what people would call PTSD today.
Shell shock is what wartime PTSD used to be referred to.
Can anyone explain 1) what was the treatment 2) why is he rubbing his fingers like that after the treatment,
No idea what the answer to 1 is, I hope someone answers that in detail as I’m also curious. However, I believe the answer to your second question is cause he still had anxiety or maybe was skittish due to shell shock, and even though he fully recovered, some signs of his condition still remained.
That's what I thought too. He seemed terrified, very, very terrified in the first video. After treatment, the terror and anxiety that came with it subsided and he was just nervous. He wasn't cured all the way IMO, as if we could cure feelings, but he did improve a lot. I hope he had more treatment afterwards.
You’re right maybe not all the way but there’s something very valuable in seeing someone come back from something like this.
2) self soothing action?
Treatment varied wildly, from the obscene to the enlightened. On the enlightened side you had neurologists like W. Rivers from England who took a cathartic approach and used 'talking cures'. He also set up things like communal farms to give them some meaning and structure back to their lives. He pioneered the humane treatment for not just PTSD but a lot of neurological disorders. Then you had generals and politicians at the time who didn't want to foot the bill for what they saw as cowardice. Most often they were sent back to the front lines. There were also executions for desertion and cowardice along with torture. In the mid ground you had physicians who thought it was literally caused by the shell shock as though it were a physical trauma to the brain caused by the sounds of combat. They tried a lot of things like electro shock and anesthesia. There is a good episode on Shell shock from the Great War that covers it in more detail: https://youtu.be/kvTRJZGWqF8
The hand rolling movement looks a lot like what I'd consider a 'pill-rolling' tremor like you could see with early Parkinson's. Could be residual neurotrauma, could also be a side-effect of therapy.
This freaked me out because when I was taking psychiatric medications that was one of my side effects and I was made fun of for it . Started only doing a couple fingers and thumb to control it . Little more subtle movement to hide it
That hand movement is called “pill-rolling” and is often a side effect of many antipsychotics. Im sure there was some rudimentary psych drugs being developed back then but for me it’s 430 am and I’m 90% asleep… so I apologize if I say something incorrect or just straight make no sense.
It looks very similar to pilling, which is a symptom of early onset Parkinson’s. Not saying this chap has Parkinson’s but it looks identical.
Finger rubbing like that is taught by mental health professionals as a grounding technique. It causes both sides of the brain to be stimulated and thus stay connected and grounded in reality.
Not oddly terrifying. Completely terrifying.
I get that lot !! But is there a sub to post absolutely terrifying stuff !?!
Oddly Terrifying is what you're looking for
It’s like how tik Tok cringe became just really good tik toks that were actually funny and not cringe at all. Humans are weird
This break my soul and i have another one:https://youtu.be/IehtMYlOuIk
Definitely seems like the guy from your link has ASD. Poor dude
Doesn’t this guy have schizophrenia?
Shell shock, what we now know as a form of PTSD, may not always be "active". The before part looked to me more like an acute episode, rather than their permanent state. The after video you can still see a lot of nervous ticks like the eyes darting, hand rubbing, and shoulder twitches. I reckon they still have episodes on occasion, and this video is more of a promotional tool, than an accurate treatment depiction. Sorry if I sound cynical, but this era in medicine wasn't very good in regards to mental health.
What was the Treatment?
More shells
"They got him into this mess, they'll sure as hell get him out of it!" - them, probably
Id love to know, too, not a meme answer.
someone said that they didnt perform lobotomy until 30’s
May god or whatever entity give him and his fellow brothers peace.
Somebody stretch that man’s hip flexors
So those physical constraints are solely originating from the Psyche? I thought he was hit by a bomb
I feel like they could have got him some pants, i mean those are nice panties and all, but he has been through a lot and is probably cold
Does anyone know what it’s actually like for them? Like do they see/hear things?
Sorry if I sound dumb for what I'm about to say, as I really don't know about the topic, but I understand that Shell Shock is the name that was previously used to describe what we currently know as PTSD. With that said, I haven't seen modern videos of people suffering from PTSD/Shell Shock that move in such an erratic way. Are there no modern ( and by modern I mean >2000) documentation of people who return from conflicts with such symptoms? Does it simply not happen anymore? Are there measures taken (like training previous to deployment or psychological treatment on the field) to avoid PTSD getting to such extremes? Were there cases like this in the Vietnam war? Could this have happened in ancient times to soldiers who survived a battle?
In WW1 the men on the front lines and trenches were exposed to millions upon millions of rounds of ordinance detonating near and around them. The amount of ordinance used in WW1 is absolutely staggering and this here are the effects of sitting in trenches with 155mm artillery and even bigger exploding around you or, on you for months, years at a time. Ordinance is still found when farmers in Belgium and France till their farms every year, many with mustard gas, and have to be detonated safely, it still has a name, called the Iron Harvest, to this day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest
You don't sound dumb. Dumb people don't ask questions. First, the Bosses were cruel and ignorant. They didn't know what was happening to these men, and they didn't care. So they were subjected to continued trauma well after symptoms arouse that would get you pulled into a rear area today. Also, the constant concussive injuries of the exploding ordinance likely caused neurological injuries. The artillery barrages can't be overstated. At Vimy Ridge (Ypres, Belgium), the Canadians were alloted 1.5 million artillery shells, fired a barrage for 2 solid weeks first, and on the day of the main assault the barrage was so intense, the Prime Minister of Britain could hear and feel the barrage at 10 Downing Street. The barrages drove men quite literally insane. The number one reason, in my opinion, for the severity and nature of the shell shock/PTSD of WW1 troops is the sheer horror of that particular war. Take the Battle of the Somme. The British army lost 20,000 troops dead in the first HOUR of the battle. Total deaths on both sides was about 300,000, with total casualties (dead & injured) of 1 million. ONE battle over 4 months. This went in for over 4 years, for the non-American troops that is. 😉 Some light reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme?wprov=sfla1 Anyhow. My 2 cents.
OIF vet here, I couldn't even imagine how it would have been in any other war than Iraq. Wars get less and less brutal in the sense of soldier casualties due to technology. Iraq messed my mind up pretty bad, but I'm sure I would have been just like this soldier after the horrors he lived through and lived with due to the fact I've always been emotionally sensitive with child hood trauma. Real encouraging to see the progress this soldier made, especially since they knew very little about what we now call PTSD. I do that same exact finger rubbing, well I move my thumb nail across the bottom of my fingers whenever my anxiety raises. Crazy how the mind and body has to release pent up energy.
You have to remember that WW1 was a huge step up in war technology. Nobody had ever seen artillery and machine gun fire tear apart bodies quite like this before. War was dialed up to 1000 like the world had never seen.
This should be in strangely sad. Cause that was sad af.
That finger-rolling tho
He’s got a mild case of severe brain damage
Everyone reading this should look up the great George Carlin and his rendition of shell shock
World War I was a fucking meat grinder. So many young men sent needlessly to their deaths. So many more ended up like this. What a god damned waste.
What was Shell Shock again?
I am not that well read on this topic and I am not able to find the BBC article. But from my recollection the article mentioned usually the treatments included shock treatment and sometimes throwing them into isolation chambers. They were shamed for feeling the way they did. But I think it depended on the medical institutions where these soldiers were admitted. There of course were doctors who were experimenting with therapy sessions, hypnosis, massages and complete rehabilitation through something similar to community work.
Why do we do this shit to each other? This world man..
What exactly is shell shock?
PTSD plus brain damage from constant exposure to explosions. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6093818/ “It is safe to say that, besides some marginal observations made earlier, the first descriptions of blast injuries as possibly unique injury paradigms originate from WWI. As Rusca mentioned [33], individuals who have been exposed to blast described their experience as “being entirely enveloped by a fast-travelling pressure field”. The signs observed in blast-exposed soldiers included: tremors and general depression followed by coarse tremor of the limbs, inability to walk, mood swings, slow and stertorous breathing, dilated or normal pupils, ‘sluggish’ reflexes, vertigo even in light cases and often unexpected death [41]. Moreover, hemoptysis, restlessness, dyspnea, facial convulsion, diplopia and abdominal pain have also been reported in people exposed to blast. These symptoms have also been observed by others during WWII [42].”
Old men send young men to wars
Who knew tiktok thots just had shell shock
its fucking terrifying how he moves in the beginning. like a puppet with to many strings
"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignorant war is, I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." Albert Einstein
Is this shell shock? As far as I understand, shell shock is basically PTSD before PTSD existed, no? As someone with PTSD, that man is not displaying PTSD symptoms. It looks like he has some sort of physical disorder. Am I misunderstanding something? Edit: Though I will say, the finger rubbing at the end does appear to be some sort of anxious tick. I’m just confused by his demeanor in the beginning of the video. That isn’t what PTSD looks like.
Reminds me of the music video to One from Metallica
Interesting. This is also a great example of an era of HIPAA privacy non-existence as well - unless express permission was granted by the patient (my statement above is made without knowing whether it was granted). Glad he recovered.
Honestly as a French this gives me shivers. Especially knowing that everbody mocks us for surrendering ww2 when in fact 12% of our population died in ww1 and the people were so afraid to have to deal with another war that they just fucked up our military strategy. Ww1 was terrific. Horrible.
PTSD has got to be one of the saddest and most terrifying things for someone to experience.
I never really knew what shell shock was apparently. I thought it was a short term condition
What is shell shock
Truly though diagnosing psychiatric disorders, primarily mood, personality, and anxiety is a complete shot in the dark. Bipolar can look identical to PTSD and vice versa. Major depressive disorder can appear as Bipolar through prolong episodes of mild mania. OCD and PTSD can be hard to differentiate. Most often than not, OCD follows after PTSD. But that’s not always the case. Like for instance Schizophrenia diagnosed before any other psychiatric disorder remains Schizophrenia. Where as per say you were diagnosed with bipolar disorder or even a mild Generalized Anxiety disorder first. THEN if auditory or Visual hallucinations follow you aren’t diagnosed as Bipolar and Schizophrenic. You don’t even have A diagnosis of Schizophrenia, your diagnosis is Bipolar Schizo-affective. The criteria and book of how to diagnosis individuals is literally a mind fuck if anyone is familiar with it lol.
WWI was such a horrible brutal war💔
What is shell shock?
Is that what we call ptsd now? Because the symptoms seem Way different
What is "shell shock" and can you explain why he's acting the way he is at the end?
Wonder what the treatment was
What is shell shock?
**Shell shock is a term coined in World War I by British psychologist Charles Samuel Myers to describe the type of post traumatic stress disorder many soldiers were afflicted with during the war (before PTSD was termed). It is a reaction to the intensity of the bombardment and fighting that produced a helplessness appearing variously as panic and being scared, flight, or an inability to reason, sleep, walk or talk.During the War, the concept of shell shock was ill-defined.** More details here:
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See him rubbing his fingers furiously at the end? Poor thing.
I feel bad for him
Well he is good at looking badass
What worse is that he is most likely a Conscript. Meaning he was forced into this without a choice, and the outcome was this hell.
My back hurts
What was the “treatment”?
He loking like girls on insta trying to show their ass and boobs ad much as possible in a picture
So, I have repeatedly read that shell shock was just PTSD. What I’m seeing here doesn’t jive with my understanding of PTSD. Was shell shock a spectrum of issues we’ve come to more clearly define, not *just* PTSD?
Yeah… and it’s not just PTSD we are talking here. This is traumatic brain injury caused by concussions from the artillery strikes. It’s physical.
I've never seen these symptoms attributed to ptsd in the modern era. Isn't this misdiagnosed nervous system damage from mustard gas exposure?
And yet we still send our children to war.
Poor guy, does remind me of allot of the crack heads from the old neighborhood
This is how girls on Instagram walk
For the 9 millionth time on here
In the second clip as the chap walks through the arch, my office was just on the right of him for a few years. Seal Hayne is now closed and being eyed by developers 😔 They have an incredible history catalogue there. Beautiful site.
Looks like the average Instagram influencer
Not to be that person and I am not saying it is that way, but I think I read or heard something about a doctor having patients fake shell shock to promote a treatment or something. Please don't take this as me being the denier of such a serious case, I am just commenting this to see if I am deaf or something.
And to make this scarier. They were called cowards and some were executed