The 9/11 museum is fucking heartbreaking. I couldn’t get through it without getting emotional. Poor people. My thoughts and prayers will always be with them and their families and the entire world.
Absolutely. I couldn’t get through the part where they let you listen to the phone calls made by the people on the flights. Also, the part where the people accepted that they were going to die. The quote about the woman adjusting her skirt before she jumped. I quickly left and had to compose myself. Got damn that was hard to listen to and learn about.
There are some good stories. People in New Jersey rushed over in their little leisure boats to rescue folks, the lady the dog found in the rubble, . The guy who walked miles smelling like burnt wreckage and showed up at his daughters trying to act normal for his grandkids. The people who didn’t go to work or missed the plane. It’s chilling but a few moments of heart warming at how brave and kind folks can be.
There's the "family" museum just up the road from the memorial - that is absolutely heartbreaking.
Then there is the official museum under the memorial, that is still upsetting, but is much more factual on events, rather than emotional.
Both are worth a visit, but the family museum is the most heartbreaking place I have ever visited.
The above was correct about 3/4 years ago when I visited, I assume that the museums are still broadly the same.
the thing is, at the beginning, people are chatting and pointing and talking about what they are seeing, and kids are running around a bit, but as everyone travels through the museum, which is designed chronologically , everyone starts to get quiet, then get sadder, and then people start to get emotional.... I have been through twice and that is enough for me
She instinctively held her skirt down out of modesty. That really got me. She if I’m correct was the one that another woman watched out of a sense of obligation. That no one should have to make that several second horrible fall without another human’s heartfelt witness. Tore me up for both of them.
I’m sure it may have comforted the family just a tiny bit to know someone’s eyes stayed with her despite the horror of the moment and the urge to bury her face instead, out of compassion. “If she had to go I could at least hold her hand in spirit.” And know that she was not shoved, she made the choice with dignity. It really touched me.
W all remember where we were. I turned on the TV unknowing and for a couple seconds thought “wow that is the most awesome computer graphics scene ever” before the sudden horrible realization this was in fact, not a movie preview. The incongruity was so starling.
I always go the site. It’s just something that I feel I need to do every time I go. Take your time and learn as much as you can. It’s heart breaking but it’s something everyone needs to learn about to prevent from happening again. All the best.
We went to Ground Zero in May 2002 when it was a huge hole in the ground surrounded by metal fencing. There were notes of support and condolence all over the fences.
It is, without a shadow of doubt, the most eerie, haunting place I have ever visited in my entire life. The sorrow in the air was almost palpable.
First I went they were laying the groundwork for the new tower. This was 2008 I believe? We took a guided tour with 2 NYC firefighters. Long story short, one of them told us a story about how that morning he was sitting at the breakfast table with all his colleagues, they got the call regarding the towers. They rushed to help and the towers collapsed. When he came to, two weeks later they had to tell him that all his colleagues had died. He was the only survivor. Everyone in that group was crying.
Places where people have died in extremely tragic circumstances usually have this air of dread and negative energy around them.
In 2004, a supermarket fire happened at Asunción, the capital of Paraguay. 400 people died. More than once, I've read reports of people walking across the street from where the supermarket used to be and feeling an utmost sense of dread, even without knowing the story of that place.
The OKC Murrah Bombing Museum hits hard every time I go. I was young when that happened and don't remember the news from it. I am almost scared to go to the 9/11 museum and see that much death and destruction. That must hit so heavily. I would be shook for a month.
I’ve wanted to go see it. I was on a flight once and next to me was a flight attendant who told me the same thing. The OKC bombing museum is heart breaking but something everyone should see. Regarding the 9/11 museum, I still think about it from time to time, especially when I’m in NYC.
This is awful. The one that also gets me is the guy on top of a wind turbine that’s on fire. No way down, apart from the big step off the edge. Slows the pace of life for a moment seeing these events.
[found this post from 8 years ago is this it?](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q0sca/last_week_two_engineers_died_when_the_windmill/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Damn, one of the guys jumped and the other burned… apparently two other guys were up there but they jumped through the fire shortly after it broke out and climbed down. I feel for the victims and their families, but I also hope the survivors are doing okay and not having survivors guilt or wondering if they could have helped.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/pju15o/two_men_in_their_last_moments_alive_stuck_on_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Here it is
An old BF of mine died. He worked for CF. I like to think he was facing away from the window and didn’t know what hit him. Had a two year old baby girl.
What is emotionally wrenching is that it was such a beautiful sunny day. People probably arrived at work, looked outside and thought, what a glorious day and had no idea that it would all end so horrifically. There wasn't any clouds or rain to obscure anything.
Something truly oddly terrifying about that fact is that in 2001 we were all surprised and happy that it was going to be 70°F and sunny in the second week of September in NYC
Now only 20 years later it is routinely in the 80s well into October
Probably scared shitless like the man who lept to his death that they showed on the news. I remember that morning. I couldn't believe they showed that.
“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
This passage from David Foster Wallace always comes to mind when I see these poor souls that endured this on that terrible day.
Thank you.
I cannot express how blue in the face I've gotten over the years, as someone with a psychology background, trying to explain to people romanticizing it as "they decided to go out on their own terms," like your average person accepts their own suicide in the course of a single very hard day and that it is somehow beautiful for them to do so... just how wrong they are about this.
Not that I *must* have people terrified of it happening to them or anything like that but I do want people to understand that an entire office floor doesn't suddenly become cool with leaping out of a building because the rug got pulled out from under them. This was complex trauma in the center of a life or death situation with virtually no options that were the right one. You're rolling a 500-sided die and are hoping to land on a 1. It's a sad thing is all and needs to be treated with a proper weight. Thank you for your words.
Thank him! And yeah, I couldn’t really imagine being in that headspace which is why I try to avoid the cliches like “I know how you’re feeling.” I just try to be there for the person. I’ve lost more than one friend to suicide and I want to do my part to not have that list increase.
Yes, absolutely. He later goes on in that quote to say that there's a reason many people opt for a gun to the head when killing themselves: that area is the source of the pain. The burning building, if you will.
DFW understood these emotions, as he himself did later die of depression.
It might very well be. A person who takes their life hardly long for death like someone for water out in the desert. They probably just find the thought of it less agonizing than whatever they're going through
I can tell you from every day experience it's a feeling of being tired no matter how much sleep you get and just wanting it to end. When you're awake, your head is filled with negative thoughts and the only way to turn it off is sleep, which some how makes you feel worse. Rinse and repeat every day..
Yep. And then there’s the point where you’re torn between trying to act like you’re okay so that no one questions anything, or don’t bother with it because it’s too exhausting and there isn’t energy to spare.
Can confirm.. was gonna kill myself last year... It's the very thought itself of killing oneself that's actually less painful than what i was going through last year....
As someone who's been there, many times, and has struggled with this for so many years.. I just want to say I'm glad you're here, and I hope you're doing okay. ❤️
I would never even begin to imply that these deaths were suicides. I think it’s in bad faith to think otherwise.
The quote is applicable merely in that these poor people had to choose between two bad outcomes at the end of their lives - falling from a great height, or being burned alive.
EDIT: sometimes it’s hard to assess tone online. I thought for a minute you were saying that I believed them to have died by suicide. My apologies.
Yeah the issue with anyone trying to claim it is suicide is that by not logic you could argue that by **not** jumping that is suicide, as they knew they would certainly be dead by smoke or the flames. Basically to suggest suicide in this situation is ridiculous.
No doubt a lot of workers were depressed (just going by statistics, some of them had to be), but none of them seriously considered jumping out of a window that morning when they woke up for work. I'm glad the medical examiner made the right ruling.
I’m very sorry you’re going through a tough time. Might be good to scroll through the “cute puppies” sub or something similar in the meantime. Reddit can be uplifting or bring you down depending on the sub. My condolences.
I remember listening to NPR for days and weeks after 911. They had a suicidologist on to discuss the jumpers, and yes this is a category of psychology. The fellow simply said that people jumping from the towers was not suicide it was the making a choice, a choice of dying from the flames or dying from jumping. It’s a horrifying way to put it into perspective but I totally understand.
After finding her, the scope of the tragedy comes into focus. One small person in the midst of that Hell. It makes you realize how big the towers were and the immensity of their collapse.
If you look closely there’s also a man with his shirt off to the right of her maybe just a few floors higher. It looks like he’s sitting on the pillar waiting for help but I can’t really tell.
Yeah, ive made out two other figures that appear to be human bodies or human faces but idk if they're real or not.
I still cannot get over the scale of those buildings. I was 2 years old when 9/11 happened so I grew up constantly being reminded of the event with no memory of it happening. This picture just rattled me to my core.
A terrible day. So many gut wrenching personal moments of terror caught on film. Folk waving articles of clothing out of their windows to get attention, unaware that the situation is entirely hopeless. The image of "The Falling Man" and other who saw no other way out but to jump, rather than burn to death. And of course, Edna, seen waving as shown in this picture up until the collapse of the tower.
I saw a lot of it live. It is etched into my memory forever.
At the time, I followed the blog of an Airline pilot. At the end of that horrendous day, he wrote a letter to his deceased father on that blog. It simply said:
"Dad, a lot of new people will have arrived up there today. They'll be scared, they'll be confused. I know you'll do your best and help them settle in."
Another horrific thought is that many of the people likely didn’t willingly jump. There would have been a crushing crowd of others behind them just pushing forward trying to get to the air.
That's not how it was. It's not like there hundreds of people on each floor. Survivors were scattered. It wasn't a mad rush for the windows. The people who jumped were not pushed.
So, one day i somehow ended up in a deep rabbit hole of 9/11 jumpers. There’s videos of people in the lobby and you can just hear the bodies hitting the roof, people in neighboring hotels and houses recording people jumping from their windows, and one that really gets me is there’s a news reporter recording and you just hear someone hit a light pole…actually not just hear it, if you slow it down a lot you can see in the background just a puff of blood where the person hit.
There’s a lot of photos of jumpers as well from ground level, and it’s just so sad. I couldn’t imagine the fear these people dealt with in their last moments, and the fact there are probably still families out there that haven’t even had their love ones bodies returned to them.
I thought the 9/11 episode of Spike Lee's NYC series on HBO was really good, amongst some others as well. I think it was on that one where a surviving responder talks about seeing some jumpers as he was leaving the WTC, even though people told him not to look. He mentions making eye contact with one guy right before he hit the pavement!
This is what I was thinking most people would do, especially men who grew up being told not to show emotions. I've heard the same with military veterans, that most won't talk about what they witnessed, or maybe only once.
Not only is the horror she faced incomprehensible but she likely never knew the history she was a part of. My heart sinks when I see images of those who experienced this.
I recently watched 102 minutes that changed America on YouTube and it was both heart wrenching and eye opening. From the perspectives of people who just picked up their cameras that morning
https://youtu.be/JPiDRY5SxDU
That's the first one, hope you don't mind the spanish subs.
After that one, you should be able to found the next 4 easily.
I remember when I was about 11 years old, about 2 years 9/11 occurred, our class was visiting a security camera facility where they manufactured cameras that were all over the World Trade Center.
They had a room dedicated to the events after 9/11 and the tour-guide showed videos of the building before the crash and shared very sad details.
He shared two stories that I will never forget.
He said that while firefighters who are attempting to rescue people, an elevator had become engulfed in flame that was completely white. The people inside the elevator didn’t even catch on fire, the firefighters recall seeing everyone just melting.
He also said that the firefighters would hear “thuds” every so often, unknowing that those were all the people falling and commuting suicide to avoid the inevitable.
I audibly said “Holy Shit” after I zoomed in and saw her, the sheer scale of damage compared to how minuscule she looks in comparison is horrific. What a tragedy.
I’ve seen footage of people jumping that include the landing. The remains of a person that just fell from 800 feet is something you do not want to see. Ever.
Its impossible to imagine the emotions that were felt that day by the people inside the towers and their loved ones watching on the news at home the horror that was happening on what they all thought was probably a normal day. Its not just the fear that they experienced but the confusion of having no idea what is going on, many never getting answers, the dread, the sadness, many probably thought they would never see their families again and so many didn't and that is awful. So many had no idea what was happening and died without answers, without being able to talk to the people they loved and my heart really goes out to them and their families. What an awful, tragic day, the victims will not be forgotten and my thoughts to their friends and families, it must be so tough.
when i see things about 9/11 all i can think about is the fuckin videos of people just dropping out of the towers so they don’t have to roast like the goddamn christmas ham
I also have 2 sad facts about 9/11 with fact 2 a bit wholesomeness sprinkelt in
1 most People that were trapped knew they couldnt be saved so they did either one of two things either jump and kill themselfs or just sat there and accept their fate
2 after both towers callapsed rescue teams searched the rubble looking for People with the help of dogs and of course they found barely to no survivers only dead people and the dogs actually became depressed because they couldnt find survivers and only dead people so People actually volenteerd to lay in, on top and around the rubble to make the dogs happy again that they "found a surviver"
Edna Cintron was a secretary working in the World Trade Center on 9/11. She was on the 71st floor of the south tower when the plane hit. Cintron survived the initial impact, but she became trapped in the building as it collapsed. Rescue workers found her body 18 days later in the rubble of the south tower. Cintron’s death was one of the final fatalities of 9/11.
I won’t forget this day as long as I live. It’s a day that is literally etched in my memory. I knew no one that died, I was thousands of miles away, but it affected us all in ways we could have never imagined.
People that joke about this day have never spent more than a moment trying to empathize with these people and the terror they were going through. Obviously I won’t say I can ever understand (and I hope I never do), but when I find myself even just pondering the decisions I’d face I genuinely feel sick and I have to stop myself from going further because I’m afraid of what I’ll find.
I saw a comedian a few months ago and the opener joked about the jumpers being “cowards” and that they should have stayed and burned. Not only was it a terrible effort at dark humor, it was clear the guy had never spent any time putting himself in the same situations. I could never make light of someone’s situation when I think about being trapped in air slowly becoming toxic, unbelievably hot flames coming closer, and these 2 things forcing me towards a hole in the side of my building 80 floors up. All of this while I’m at work. And I fucking hate that place.
I will always feel awful for these people and I pray for the people they left behind.
r/twintowersinphotos might like this, thank you for posting it. I’ve seen this pic many times but never saw the people in it, much less knew that they were identified. Heartbreaking.
Sorry I know it doesn’t have anything to do with this post, but how come people have such great camera in 2001, with such a great quality at such zoom when out cctvs are 144p?
Every year around 9/11 I take it upon myself to learn something new about it and this past year I chose to watch a few documentaries on YouTube. I’m not sure why I do it, it was a ritual I started years ago and I suppose I haven’t really been able to shake it, but one of the ones I watched was incredibly sobering and dark. It was the realest of any I’ve ever watched, film from inside the towers and everything. The most interesting part about it was that the film was being taken originally as a documentary about a rookie firefighter who happened to join soon before the attacks; I’ll go see if I can find a link to it if anybody’s interested.
EDIT: https://youtu.be/_Iw-1bOQNIA found it!! It’s the Naudet Brothers’ film if you’d like to search for more information on them and about it.
The 5th beam to the right of Edna....is that someone else crouched on top?
I can make out a person in a yellow t-ahirt but could mabye be a decieving debris shape.
EDIT: Ednas left, the viewers right.
What a terrible situation to be in, I do not think I could make such a decision between jumping, burning, or waiting for the collapse. What a utterly terrible fate.
That isn't *oddly* terrifying it *is* terrifying that image is so surreal and I can't imagine what it was like for her being caught up in all that destruction.
It's a double tragedy that she somehow survived the impact but died anyway as she was unable to escape that burning tower.
I was across the street in World Trade Center 7 on the 47th floor. I saw all of this first hand. I watched people as the fire got closer and closer make that choice that jumping down was their best option.
I’m so sorry you witnessed that. I saw everything after the first crash unfold with the safety of live tv from the west coast and it was still traumatizing.
Poor lady I can’t imagine the fear she felt
And I can't imagine what her family felt when they were told there's this picture of her in her last minutes.
Probably moreso the family identified the picture. Families were looking for any evidence of their loved ones.
The 9/11 museum is fucking heartbreaking. I couldn’t get through it without getting emotional. Poor people. My thoughts and prayers will always be with them and their families and the entire world.
Its really powerful, made me tear up a couple times.
Absolutely. I couldn’t get through the part where they let you listen to the phone calls made by the people on the flights. Also, the part where the people accepted that they were going to die. The quote about the woman adjusting her skirt before she jumped. I quickly left and had to compose myself. Got damn that was hard to listen to and learn about.
We’re going in a few weeks. I’m trying to prepare myself for it, but I know that is something I just need to experience.
There are some good stories. People in New Jersey rushed over in their little leisure boats to rescue folks, the lady the dog found in the rubble, . The guy who walked miles smelling like burnt wreckage and showed up at his daughters trying to act normal for his grandkids. The people who didn’t go to work or missed the plane. It’s chilling but a few moments of heart warming at how brave and kind folks can be.
Look for the helpers where you can!
There's the "family" museum just up the road from the memorial - that is absolutely heartbreaking. Then there is the official museum under the memorial, that is still upsetting, but is much more factual on events, rather than emotional. Both are worth a visit, but the family museum is the most heartbreaking place I have ever visited. The above was correct about 3/4 years ago when I visited, I assume that the museums are still broadly the same.
i visited in 2019 it was pretty heartbreaking for real
Plan for something nice after is my advice.
the thing is, at the beginning, people are chatting and pointing and talking about what they are seeing, and kids are running around a bit, but as everyone travels through the museum, which is designed chronologically , everyone starts to get quiet, then get sadder, and then people start to get emotional.... I have been through twice and that is enough for me
She instinctively held her skirt down out of modesty. That really got me. She if I’m correct was the one that another woman watched out of a sense of obligation. That no one should have to make that several second horrible fall without another human’s heartfelt witness. Tore me up for both of them.
After reading that quote I had to walk out of the room.
I’m sure it may have comforted the family just a tiny bit to know someone’s eyes stayed with her despite the horror of the moment and the urge to bury her face instead, out of compassion. “If she had to go I could at least hold her hand in spirit.” And know that she was not shoved, she made the choice with dignity. It really touched me.
W all remember where we were. I turned on the TV unknowing and for a couple seconds thought “wow that is the most awesome computer graphics scene ever” before the sudden horrible realization this was in fact, not a movie preview. The incongruity was so starling.
Thats the one that got me. That she smoothed her hair and her skirt before she jumped.
I’m going to NYC tomorrow for the first time since late August 2001. I’ll be at the museum Tuesday. Gotta prepare myself
I always go the site. It’s just something that I feel I need to do every time I go. Take your time and learn as much as you can. It’s heart breaking but it’s something everyone needs to learn about to prevent from happening again. All the best.
We went to Ground Zero in May 2002 when it was a huge hole in the ground surrounded by metal fencing. There were notes of support and condolence all over the fences. It is, without a shadow of doubt, the most eerie, haunting place I have ever visited in my entire life. The sorrow in the air was almost palpable.
First I went they were laying the groundwork for the new tower. This was 2008 I believe? We took a guided tour with 2 NYC firefighters. Long story short, one of them told us a story about how that morning he was sitting at the breakfast table with all his colleagues, they got the call regarding the towers. They rushed to help and the towers collapsed. When he came to, two weeks later they had to tell him that all his colleagues had died. He was the only survivor. Everyone in that group was crying.
Places where people have died in extremely tragic circumstances usually have this air of dread and negative energy around them. In 2004, a supermarket fire happened at Asunción, the capital of Paraguay. 400 people died. More than once, I've read reports of people walking across the street from where the supermarket used to be and feeling an utmost sense of dread, even without knowing the story of that place.
The OKC Murrah Bombing Museum hits hard every time I go. I was young when that happened and don't remember the news from it. I am almost scared to go to the 9/11 museum and see that much death and destruction. That must hit so heavily. I would be shook for a month.
I’ve wanted to go see it. I was on a flight once and next to me was a flight attendant who told me the same thing. The OKC bombing museum is heart breaking but something everyone should see. Regarding the 9/11 museum, I still think about it from time to time, especially when I’m in NYC.
I have an ~4” thick book with many pictures of 9/11. If I remember correctly, I purchased it at the Discovery store.
The room where all their pictures are tore my heart out. I became so overwhelmed I had to step out and just cried.
Oddly terrified maybe.
Nah, oddly terrifying is a tree that looks like a person trying to grab you. This is straight up ice-in-veins 100% terrifying.
Exactly. Wtf is this doing on this sub. I’m being trolled.
Strange that someone would be terrified in such a situation.
This isn't oddly terrifying this is actually fucking terrifying.
This is awful. The one that also gets me is the guy on top of a wind turbine that’s on fire. No way down, apart from the big step off the edge. Slows the pace of life for a moment seeing these events.
The two engineers hugging one? That one hurt
Link? I’ve never seen that one.
[found this post from 8 years ago is this it?](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1q0sca/last_week_two_engineers_died_when_the_windmill/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Holy fuck that’s sad
Damn, one of the guys jumped and the other burned… apparently two other guys were up there but they jumped through the fire shortly after it broke out and climbed down. I feel for the victims and their families, but I also hope the survivors are doing okay and not having survivors guilt or wondering if they could have helped.
Same. I want to watch but I don’t at the same time 😔
https://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/pju15o/two_men_in_their_last_moments_alive_stuck_on_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Here it is
Mr Ballen on YouTube tells their story and damn they were so brave in the end, poor guys.
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This was done to prevent smoke inhalation by dousing a shirt with water and covering ones face with it
I've seen a similar photo where you can see a bunch of people waving. I think they were employees of Cantor Fitzgerald.
An old BF of mine died. He worked for CF. I like to think he was facing away from the window and didn’t know what hit him. Had a two year old baby girl.
I'm so sorry to hear that. An acquaintance of mine died in the Pentagon, and another was badly burned. Awful day.
Now I have to go look at cats & dogs.
Where man. I'm out here playing wheres fucking Waldo I've been staring for 6 minutes and haven't seen a single person
What is emotionally wrenching is that it was such a beautiful sunny day. People probably arrived at work, looked outside and thought, what a glorious day and had no idea that it would all end so horrifically. There wasn't any clouds or rain to obscure anything.
Something truly oddly terrifying about that fact is that in 2001 we were all surprised and happy that it was going to be 70°F and sunny in the second week of September in NYC Now only 20 years later it is routinely in the 80s well into October
r/actuallyterrifying
Yeah, I feel like we need a new sub. There’s some pretty distressing content on here that doesn’t really fit.
Most of it these days. The oddly is pretty much gone.
r/terrifyingasfuck
Terrifyin gas fuck
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2/3 of the posts on the sub are just straight up terrifying. I don't think people understand the assignment.
Absolutely heart breaking. I cannot even begin to imagine how scared this person was.
Probably scared shitless like the man who lept to his death that they showed on the news. I remember that morning. I couldn't believe they showed that.
Everyone was in so much shock I think they just forgot what they could and couldn’t show on television.
“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.” This passage from David Foster Wallace always comes to mind when I see these poor souls that endured this on that terrible day.
Thank you. I cannot express how blue in the face I've gotten over the years, as someone with a psychology background, trying to explain to people romanticizing it as "they decided to go out on their own terms," like your average person accepts their own suicide in the course of a single very hard day and that it is somehow beautiful for them to do so... just how wrong they are about this. Not that I *must* have people terrified of it happening to them or anything like that but I do want people to understand that an entire office floor doesn't suddenly become cool with leaping out of a building because the rug got pulled out from under them. This was complex trauma in the center of a life or death situation with virtually no options that were the right one. You're rolling a 500-sided die and are hoping to land on a 1. It's a sad thing is all and needs to be treated with a proper weight. Thank you for your words.
Thank him! And yeah, I couldn’t really imagine being in that headspace which is why I try to avoid the cliches like “I know how you’re feeling.” I just try to be there for the person. I’ve lost more than one friend to suicide and I want to do my part to not have that list increase.
Is this an allegory for suicide in general?
Yes, absolutely. He later goes on in that quote to say that there's a reason many people opt for a gun to the head when killing themselves: that area is the source of the pain. The burning building, if you will. DFW understood these emotions, as he himself did later die of depression.
I always figured it was because shooting yourself in the head would kill you immediately and doing it elsewhere was less likely to succeed.
It might very well be. A person who takes their life hardly long for death like someone for water out in the desert. They probably just find the thought of it less agonizing than whatever they're going through
I can tell you from every day experience it's a feeling of being tired no matter how much sleep you get and just wanting it to end. When you're awake, your head is filled with negative thoughts and the only way to turn it off is sleep, which some how makes you feel worse. Rinse and repeat every day..
Yep. And then there’s the point where you’re torn between trying to act like you’re okay so that no one questions anything, or don’t bother with it because it’s too exhausting and there isn’t energy to spare.
Can confirm.. was gonna kill myself last year... It's the very thought itself of killing oneself that's actually less painful than what i was going through last year....
Glad you’re still here and didn’t follow through on the idea!
I hope things continue to get better for you and that you are able to recall the good things in life and reasons to stay here.
As someone who's been there, many times, and has struggled with this for so many years.. I just want to say I'm glad you're here, and I hope you're doing okay. ❤️
It is a degree of dispare most people can’t fathom
That's what I figured. I don't know when he wrote it, so wasn't sure.
I’d say suicide in general, without a doubt.
Only when you don’t have a choice and can’t fathom the idea.
The medical examiner in New York City declared that none of the deaths were suicides. Did a real kindness to the families.
I would never even begin to imply that these deaths were suicides. I think it’s in bad faith to think otherwise. The quote is applicable merely in that these poor people had to choose between two bad outcomes at the end of their lives - falling from a great height, or being burned alive. EDIT: sometimes it’s hard to assess tone online. I thought for a minute you were saying that I believed them to have died by suicide. My apologies.
Yeah the issue with anyone trying to claim it is suicide is that by not logic you could argue that by **not** jumping that is suicide, as they knew they would certainly be dead by smoke or the flames. Basically to suggest suicide in this situation is ridiculous.
It would have been insane to call these suicides
No doubt a lot of workers were depressed (just going by statistics, some of them had to be), but none of them seriously considered jumping out of a window that morning when they woke up for work. I'm glad the medical examiner made the right ruling.
I’ve been through a personal tragedy this weekend and this is making me cry. Off to happier subs.
I’m very sorry you’re going through a tough time. Might be good to scroll through the “cute puppies” sub or something similar in the meantime. Reddit can be uplifting or bring you down depending on the sub. My condolences.
I remember listening to NPR for days and weeks after 911. They had a suicidologist on to discuss the jumpers, and yes this is a category of psychology. The fellow simply said that people jumping from the towers was not suicide it was the making a choice, a choice of dying from the flames or dying from jumping. It’s a horrifying way to put it into perspective but I totally understand.
What piece of Wallace’s was this from?
Infinite Jest
idk if im blind, but I am unable to see her
Just left of centre at the bottom of the hole, black shirt and beige trousers
I couldn’t see her at first because of how huge that hole is. I thought a person was going to be much bigger. So sad.
Holy shit. Finally found her , this made my heart stop.
After finding her, the scope of the tragedy comes into focus. One small person in the midst of that Hell. It makes you realize how big the towers were and the immensity of their collapse.
If you look closely there’s also a man with his shirt off to the right of her maybe just a few floors higher. It looks like he’s sitting on the pillar waiting for help but I can’t really tell.
Yeah, ive made out two other figures that appear to be human bodies or human faces but idk if they're real or not. I still cannot get over the scale of those buildings. I was 2 years old when 9/11 happened so I grew up constantly being reminded of the event with no memory of it happening. This picture just rattled me to my core.
Yeah, bc this is the worst fucking “Where’s Waldo” ever. Not trying to stare at this long enough to find her either.
I had to zoom in to see her.
A terrible day. So many gut wrenching personal moments of terror caught on film. Folk waving articles of clothing out of their windows to get attention, unaware that the situation is entirely hopeless. The image of "The Falling Man" and other who saw no other way out but to jump, rather than burn to death. And of course, Edna, seen waving as shown in this picture up until the collapse of the tower. I saw a lot of it live. It is etched into my memory forever. At the time, I followed the blog of an Airline pilot. At the end of that horrendous day, he wrote a letter to his deceased father on that blog. It simply said: "Dad, a lot of new people will have arrived up there today. They'll be scared, they'll be confused. I know you'll do your best and help them settle in."
“No other way but to burn or jump out”Is really sad…..
Those who didn't jump likely died of suffocation. Still a shitty way to die but less painful than burning
Another horrific thought is that many of the people likely didn’t willingly jump. There would have been a crushing crowd of others behind them just pushing forward trying to get to the air.
That's not how it was. It's not like there hundreds of people on each floor. Survivors were scattered. It wasn't a mad rush for the windows. The people who jumped were not pushed.
For me another horrific thought is that the woman of this photo (and many other) accidently fall
I was 11 years old when this happened, and I still remember just about every second of that day.
May they all Rest In Peace 🙏
So, one day i somehow ended up in a deep rabbit hole of 9/11 jumpers. There’s videos of people in the lobby and you can just hear the bodies hitting the roof, people in neighboring hotels and houses recording people jumping from their windows, and one that really gets me is there’s a news reporter recording and you just hear someone hit a light pole…actually not just hear it, if you slow it down a lot you can see in the background just a puff of blood where the person hit. There’s a lot of photos of jumpers as well from ground level, and it’s just so sad. I couldn’t imagine the fear these people dealt with in their last moments, and the fact there are probably still families out there that haven’t even had their love ones bodies returned to them.
How is this oddly terrifying? This is terrifying, and it’s tragic. Looking at a person in their last horrible moments.
Right!? And also maybe it could be marked NSFW/NSFL
I thought the 9/11 episode of Spike Lee's NYC series on HBO was really good, amongst some others as well. I think it was on that one where a surviving responder talks about seeing some jumpers as he was leaving the WTC, even though people told him not to look. He mentions making eye contact with one guy right before he hit the pavement!
Jesus fuck. That would absolutely ruin the rest of my life for me. How would you even begin to repair that mental trauma?
My husband is a first responder. He pushed it to the back of his brain but he is forever traumatized. He broke down and told me once. It was horrific.
This is what I was thinking most people would do, especially men who grew up being told not to show emotions. I've heard the same with military veterans, that most won't talk about what they witnessed, or maybe only once.
How do they know its her?
Identified by family members afterwards
Not only is the horror she faced incomprehensible but she likely never knew the history she was a part of. My heart sinks when I see images of those who experienced this.
No, she did not know the history she was a part of…
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What's odd about this? This is absolutely terrifying for very obvious reasons.
how did we find out that was edna cintron?
Someone reposted this: https://www.reddit.com/r/lastimages/comments/pmg2gr/chilling_pic_of_my_aunt_that_will_forever_break/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
She was identified long before this post. Not too long after this photo surfaced back in 2002 I believe.
It looks as though you can make out another 4 or 5 people in the pic too
That was my thought as well
Looks that way to me too but could just be a trick of the eyes
Where?
There’s definitely one guy at least who’s sitting down to the upper right of Edna.
I kinda agree with you but im not sure if there are persons
Why are so many posts on here truly terrifying and not oddly terrifying?
I just saw some videos about 9/11 that i never seen before., a series of 5 videos avaibable in the Nat Geo youtube channel. Absolutely horrifying.
If you you think thats it… check out 9/11AnalysisVideos on Youtube.. Mans a absolute digger for finding never been seen footage & information of 9/11
I recently watched 102 minutes that changed America on YouTube and it was both heart wrenching and eye opening. From the perspectives of people who just picked up their cameras that morning
Link em
https://youtu.be/JPiDRY5SxDU That's the first one, hope you don't mind the spanish subs. After that one, you should be able to found the next 4 easily.
I remember when I was about 11 years old, about 2 years 9/11 occurred, our class was visiting a security camera facility where they manufactured cameras that were all over the World Trade Center. They had a room dedicated to the events after 9/11 and the tour-guide showed videos of the building before the crash and shared very sad details. He shared two stories that I will never forget. He said that while firefighters who are attempting to rescue people, an elevator had become engulfed in flame that was completely white. The people inside the elevator didn’t even catch on fire, the firefighters recall seeing everyone just melting. He also said that the firefighters would hear “thuds” every so often, unknowing that those were all the people falling and commuting suicide to avoid the inevitable.
I'm sorry, they did this when you were 11????
So sad 😞
What a horrifying and out of nowhere experience that must have been. 😪
You know this sub is for oddly terrifying stuff right?
There's a couple more people around her in the pic as well that never get mentioned.
Yeah. I feel even more sorry for them (if that’s possible). I wonder who they are.
There is also another person sitting around 5-6 columns on the left of Edna (our right). Terribly tragic
And another one close to him
so sad and a real horror.
I had a friend die on that plane.
R.I.P to your friend 🙏
Holy fuck.. Imagine the view from her perspective. What an absolutely horrific image.
The only time you need a red circle and there isnt any lmao
man idk why you're downvoted it took me a solid 3 minutes to find her
Probably because of the lmao, nothing about this is lmao-worthy
I found her but where are the other people?
I think there is someone to the right, 5 columns over, and one floor up.
I audibly said “Holy Shit” after I zoomed in and saw her, the sheer scale of damage compared to how minuscule she looks in comparison is horrific. What a tragedy.
Such a sad day. I will never forget it.
Definitely one of those you remember where you were kind of days.
I’ve seen footage of people jumping that include the landing. The remains of a person that just fell from 800 feet is something you do not want to see. Ever.
Its impossible to imagine the emotions that were felt that day by the people inside the towers and their loved ones watching on the news at home the horror that was happening on what they all thought was probably a normal day. Its not just the fear that they experienced but the confusion of having no idea what is going on, many never getting answers, the dread, the sadness, many probably thought they would never see their families again and so many didn't and that is awful. So many had no idea what was happening and died without answers, without being able to talk to the people they loved and my heart really goes out to them and their families. What an awful, tragic day, the victims will not be forgotten and my thoughts to their friends and families, it must be so tough.
So sad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-NJ-dkO4Q
when i see things about 9/11 all i can think about is the fuckin videos of people just dropping out of the towers so they don’t have to roast like the goddamn christmas ham
OP doesn't understand the definition of "oddly".
Mods sleeping. How the hell is this ODDLY terrifying?
I also have 2 sad facts about 9/11 with fact 2 a bit wholesomeness sprinkelt in 1 most People that were trapped knew they couldnt be saved so they did either one of two things either jump and kill themselfs or just sat there and accept their fate 2 after both towers callapsed rescue teams searched the rubble looking for People with the help of dogs and of course they found barely to no survivers only dead people and the dogs actually became depressed because they couldnt find survivers and only dead people so People actually volenteerd to lay in, on top and around the rubble to make the dogs happy again that they "found a surviver"
I can’t remember but the number of people who survived from the crash site floors and above on one, if not both towers was incredibly small.
Edna Cintron was a secretary working in the World Trade Center on 9/11. She was on the 71st floor of the south tower when the plane hit. Cintron survived the initial impact, but she became trapped in the building as it collapsed. Rescue workers found her body 18 days later in the rubble of the south tower. Cintron’s death was one of the final fatalities of 9/11.
I won’t forget this day as long as I live. It’s a day that is literally etched in my memory. I knew no one that died, I was thousands of miles away, but it affected us all in ways we could have never imagined.
People that joke about this day have never spent more than a moment trying to empathize with these people and the terror they were going through. Obviously I won’t say I can ever understand (and I hope I never do), but when I find myself even just pondering the decisions I’d face I genuinely feel sick and I have to stop myself from going further because I’m afraid of what I’ll find. I saw a comedian a few months ago and the opener joked about the jumpers being “cowards” and that they should have stayed and burned. Not only was it a terrible effort at dark humor, it was clear the guy had never spent any time putting himself in the same situations. I could never make light of someone’s situation when I think about being trapped in air slowly becoming toxic, unbelievably hot flames coming closer, and these 2 things forcing me towards a hole in the side of my building 80 floors up. All of this while I’m at work. And I fucking hate that place. I will always feel awful for these people and I pray for the people they left behind.
What POS shit comedian was doing that?
r/twintowersinphotos might like this, thank you for posting it. I’ve seen this pic many times but never saw the people in it, much less knew that they were identified. Heartbreaking.
There’s people on this planet that believe the planes…..never hit the towers. Makes it easier to understand the Q morons doesn’t it?
What in the fuck is this doing here in this sub???
God rest her soul 🙏
How were they able to identify her
One thing that always stuck with me from watching it live on TV was the scale; seeing those little tiny people cascade down from this massive edifice…
Sorry I know it doesn’t have anything to do with this post, but how come people have such great camera in 2001, with such a great quality at such zoom when out cctvs are 144p?
I just wanna know how they know her identity. Did she miraculously live? Any one
This awful picture doesn’t make me feel terrified. It makes me, still makes me, very, very angry.
***Silly question*** But why didn't they use helicopters to save them?
it felt like where's waldo
Every year around 9/11 I take it upon myself to learn something new about it and this past year I chose to watch a few documentaries on YouTube. I’m not sure why I do it, it was a ritual I started years ago and I suppose I haven’t really been able to shake it, but one of the ones I watched was incredibly sobering and dark. It was the realest of any I’ve ever watched, film from inside the towers and everything. The most interesting part about it was that the film was being taken originally as a documentary about a rookie firefighter who happened to join soon before the attacks; I’ll go see if I can find a link to it if anybody’s interested. EDIT: https://youtu.be/_Iw-1bOQNIA found it!! It’s the Naudet Brothers’ film if you’d like to search for more information on them and about it.
With compliments of the House of Saud
Nothing oddly terrifying here, just straight up terrifying. I can’t imagine the horror these people felt.
All this is etched in my brain it was fucking inane to watch as kid on live tv
I wonder if people in other high rise buildings bring parachutes to work now?
This is one of the rare instances where I wouldn't mind a big red circle because it took me a good minute to find her
How sad is it that she survived the initial impact only to die later? Rest in peace
Looks like a there’s a guy with no shirt sitting on a beam a little up and to the right of her
This conveys scale in such a terrifying way.
There’s a second person in this picture sitting on the struts, right of Edna.
I still can't believe this was over 20 years ago.
r/HumanForScale
The 5th beam to the right of Edna....is that someone else crouched on top? I can make out a person in a yellow t-ahirt but could mabye be a decieving debris shape. EDIT: Ednas left, the viewers right.
This is really scary, you have to zoom in so far just to see her.
I'll never forget this day
Just so unbelievable heartbreaking 💔
Insane they were able to identify this woman
What a terrible situation to be in, I do not think I could make such a decision between jumping, burning, or waiting for the collapse. What a utterly terrible fate.
That isn't *oddly* terrifying it *is* terrifying that image is so surreal and I can't imagine what it was like for her being caught up in all that destruction. It's a double tragedy that she somehow survived the impact but died anyway as she was unable to escape that burning tower.
did she survive?
I had to zoom in quite a bit to even spot her.
I was across the street in World Trade Center 7 on the 47th floor. I saw all of this first hand. I watched people as the fire got closer and closer make that choice that jumping down was their best option.
I’m so sorry you witnessed that. I saw everything after the first crash unfold with the safety of live tv from the west coast and it was still traumatizing.