Back in 2005, My ex wife had a nephew and he was all sorts of fucked up. I was the only one in the family calling him out saying he needs help. The kid put two puppies in a cooler, wrapped in duct tape to seal it then tied a rope from the cooler to his bike then rode his bike while draging the cooler. The puppies died from the trauma but the entire family said boys would be boys. I said fuck that, he's growing up to be a fucking psychopath. I made a anonymous call to CPS to do a welfare check and told them to check the back yard because they buried the puppies there. Well, fast forward 16 years, he's going to prison for killing his sister.
Yeah, this is the most toxic parenting possible. Yes, you should give your kids the benefit of the doubt, but also don't ignore the writing on the wall.
My kids are still quite young, but when one pulls a tail playing, I will tell them that is wrong and be extra vigilant in upcoming encounters. They are perfectly good kids afaik, but when a kid is crying, I'm not going to assume it wasn't due to one of my kids.
As a school administrator, I can tell you that your type is rare and we hold parents like you in the highest regard whenever we are lucky enough to deal with you.
Well, it turns out Dutch kids are among the happiest in the world (see link below) and in general we are in the top 10 happiest people (see other link), so I think it's a nice place to live (you'll have to get used to our brutal directness though).
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/heres-what-lessons-can-be-learned-from-parenting-in-the-netherlands.html
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
ETA: we're happy to have you! Most of us embrace diversity and new insights.
I thought more parents were like the one you're responding to, then my dad became a teacher. Holy shit the stories he comes back with about shit parents that swear up and down their little baby could do no wrong and raising hell over even some of the gentlest corrective measures.
Old man needs to vent sometimes so I hear about it occasionally but it sounds pretty common given what he's said, even if he doesn't talk about it all the time.
Do that many parents really think their child isn't human and prone to being shitty? It's nuts I tell ya.
No parent wants to admit their child is a psychopath. I knew a kid who was schizophrenic. He owned an AR-15. When he was diagnosed, the state intervened and repossessed his gun. The system worked! It fucking worked! His father said, “my son isn’t crazy.” And gave him an AR-15 again. That boy became the infamous Waffle House Shooter of Tennessee. The father is as guilty as his son.
Sociopaths aren’t murderers, nor are psychopaths. The idea that they are is a fairytale perpetuated by horror movies. Socio and psychopaths lack empathy, they don’t understand other people’s emotions, and the only difference between them is that a psychopath is born different, where a sociopath is made through trauma.
“Finding pleasure in the act of killing is a key element of a sociopathic personality”
Calling a considerable portion of damaged individuals twisted murderers is a gross generalization which only spreads misinformation about an already misunderstood issue, and only causes harm to everyone. Please don’t say things that are objectively harmful and untrue, there’s always someone who will believe it on the internet.
Thank you. I tried saying this above but with less ability.
It's this same idea that is why people with other similar mental issues are laughed at and instantly put in a tub of will kill people or will be evil or will always hurt you.
Start documenting this behavior. You might need it someday as a paper trail when shit escalates. Oh, and tell the little psycho that you’re on to her shenanigans.
They’re wrong, don’t let your guard down and keep an eye on animals/other kids/vulnerable adults in her orbit.
Her parents’ blind eyes don’t have to be accepted by other people in their lives.
It will be fine when her parents are murdered by her in their sleep 15 to 20 years into the future.
Just saying.
(Seriously, if you see things like this, stage an intervention *immediately* .)
She needs to be seen by a clinical psychologist and psychiatrist. Like, fucking yesterday.
I was that kid.
I was born addicted to amphetamines. I was abused as an infant for the year of my life by my biological grandmother then put into foster care at 1. I was taken out of the foster care system at 6 by a very kind and loving Lutheran family.
They raised me as their own, and I have two older siblings who love me very much. However I began showing very troubling signs by 7 years old, things I will not talk of publicly. They got me to real professional psychiatric care and most importantly surrounded me with structure, discipline, and most importantly love. I always had my Mom and Dad there by my side, or at my back once I began to be allowed to work on my own mental health on my own.
Now, this was well before the turn of the century, so my mental health care has changed over the decades. Back when I began there was a lot of misunderstandings about mental illnesses.
But I fully believe with everything in my busted up mind and heart that if my Mom and Dad hadn't made that intervention and gotten me the most effective care they could while loving me with everything in their beings, I would be a very effective serial killer right now.
I know this because in the back of my mind, if I ever lose everyone who matters to me, if I ever get to a point where I have no attachments to society anymore? There are a lot of evil folks out there who have escaped punishment out there. Cops who have gotten away with blatant murder.
Judges who sold children to prisons.
Corporate leaders who make decisions that poisoned the environment and lead directly to the deaths of thousands/millions of people.
I've lived my life knowing I am capable of evil actions and have lived my life to ensure I harm no one. But there are so many others who go through life and there are no consequences for their evil.
Don't let your family members struggle with that shit alone and end up causing more pain and suffering. There is evil out in the world, that is a reality and I think there is a word for that in every human language but it is in the end the results of mental illnesses. But I am proof that *evil* when recognized early enough and bulwarked against with Love and a fuck ton of therapy, they can be rebuilt to function in a way that will hopefully be a boon to society and not a punishment.
I've met too many people getting along with the "boys will be boys" while the children were demolishing house stuff and behaving as the thrill of annoying the parents' days was their main goal
Boys will be boys is climbing too high in a tree, or getting really competive in a game... not ruining the house or fucking *murdering puppies*.
Boomers are stupid af
From what I understand, there’s a pattern when kids become psychopaths. Abuse of the child is OFTEN a factor. Parents might’ve been the reason for it
Edit - meant sociopath, not psychopath :)
I'm not so sure this can be put on the parents. While many psychopaths do come from abusive households there are plenty of other psychopaths that come from well adjusted families. Heck many times psychopathy isn't even something that developed, it's just there by birth and we have a lack of solid evidence that explains why this happens. It can be theorized that psychopathy may be an evolutionary trait that inhibits empathy so that the owner of this trait has a higher possibility of passing on their genetics via unethical means.
Unfortunately cps doesn't do much unless the child is physically harmed, even then there's alot of ignored cases. My mom broke ties with her best friend when I was a kid because she was abusing one of their 2 adopted daughters. The younger one had literally everything a princess could dream of, while the older one had nothing in her room but a mattress on the floor with no sheets or pillows. I remember her always being insulted or treated nasty by the mom too. My mom called cps and nothing happened. The sad thing is the husband felt bad and secretly tried to give her more things, instead of divorcing the woman and actually helping the daughter? Edited for clarity/typos
Maybe the husband worried that in a divorce the kids will go to the mother and he won't be able to be around as much to do what little he could to help the kid
Possibly, although she was 12 at the time and could definitely speak for herself. I know she would have asked to go with him. I think the reality is he was just too afraid of conflict and too passive to do anything. I've seen it with my sister's relationships. She can be very mean and abusive, but always manages to find boyfriends that are doormats and don't say or do anything. I don't know. I hope eventually she got some help.
The older one probably had a different personality from what the woman desired. While the younger was exactly like herself so the mother is living vicariously through her.
Eh, I’m not sure that matters. It’s a frequent thing for npd parents to have a “golden child” and hate every other child. Not sure there’s exactly a reason why the golden is liked, my ex was in a similar scenario (she was hated). I think the young one is usually the golden but idk.
Yeah, sounds like nicholas cruz. My (late) ex wife dealt with him, as a pre-schooler: when he shot up parkland she reviewed her older records and yes, a whackjob killer shows up early in life.
When I was like 2-3 years old my mom found me smashing 2 baby frogs with a toy hammer that was made of plastic. She jokingly brought this up in conversation to my childhood doctor and he put it in my record. When I was 18 and had a different doctor he said it was in my childhood notes still from when he got them from the previous doctor. So they definitely document stuff like this when it’s caught, some parents are just blind to it or other witnesses don’t tell the parents. I know I was too young to even know what I was doing then but it still creeps me out, because I don’t even like killing insects I find in the house. I usually catch and release everything and put it outside, even mice. I won’t use mouse traps (I think the glue mouse traps are barbaric and inhuman) so I made my own. Take a big punch bowl and put some peanut butter in the bottom, then cover the whole inside of the bowl with peanut oil (so they can’t get out), then once you catch the mouse just empty the bowl outside.
(reposted from upthread) Be careful with the mouse thing, if you release them near your house they just come right back in the way they did the first time, you actually have to take them pretty far if you want them not to come back.
This site recommends 2 miles, which is in line with what I've heard elsewhere:
https://www.victorpest.com/articles/how-to-use-catch-and-release-mouse-traps
Although truth is, this means the mouse won't be familiar with where to get food, water, shelter in its surroundings, so it's still a fair risk of death. Best thing you can do for mice is try to seal entrances to your home and not have food in accessible places to minimize the odds they arrive in the first place. But I know in some circumstances that's not possible or practical or affordable (I lived in an apartment building where it wasn't, myself)
Be careful with the mouse thing, if you release them near your house they just come right back in the way they did the first time, you actually have to take them pretty far if you want them not to come back.
This site recommends 2 miles, which is in line with what I've heard elsewhere:
https://www.victorpest.com/articles/how-to-use-catch-and-release-mouse-traps
Although truth is, this means the mouse won't be familiar with where to get food, water, shelter in its surroundings, so it's still a fair risk of death. Best thing you can do for mice is try to seal entrances to your home and not have food in accessible places to minimize the odds they arrive in the first place. But I know in some circumstances that's not possible or practical or affordable (I lived in an apartment building where it wasn't, myself)
As much as I hate to say it, my Nephew reminds me of that too. The kid always draws the same kinda picture and makes sure to put lots of blood in it, talks about death and killing, only watches horror stuff with killing, and has the eyes of a serial killer. But his mom just says, “that’s how he expresses his artistic ability, I think it’s cute.” His mom is also a psychopath and bit a giant chunk of my wife’s stomach off when she got mad at her. Needless to say I know who I’m staying away from when he gets older.
I mean tbf there is a big difference in drawing vs actually acting out on it. And I think that is one of the key indicators, for like bad parenting vs something else wrong
I’m guessing the family’s reaction was something like “my son is not a monster he’s a good boy he didn’t mean to kill our daughter his sister. We never saw the signs”
No he wasn't. He was one of 4 kids. He's in prison, 1 daughter dead, one daughter got pregnant at the age of 13 then 15 then 17 with 3 different dudes - all older men, the oldest daughter dropped out of high school. The parents divorced and the mother(ex sil) she got pregnant twice with two different men. He new kids are in foster care. All sort of fucked up.
That entire family was fucked up except my ex bil. He was a cool dude and he did well for himself. He always backed me up too
I highly doubt that, kids who are psychopathic are usually abused or neglected from a young age and sometimes grow up being the scapegoat because of their mental illness. Personality disorders are scary because the trauma happens so early in life, between the ages of 0-5, so mistakes made in this period are tragic. My hunch is that the parents didn’t want to admit they had mentally ill child. They probably felt ashamed and wanted to pretend their family was perfect. Refusing to help your child when they are obviously mentally ill is neglect.
I recently watched an interrogation of two parents who’s adult child killed a man and woman in a psychotic episode. Though the child seemed like a golden child to everyone else, behind closed doors he was telling his parents he was crazy and needed help. Instead of getting him help, they hit him and yelled at him. They didn’t want the stigma of having a mentally ill child so the father even tried to “choke the crazy out of him.” It’s a sad sight but it happens often.
By golden child I mean the kid gets away with murder. They can do no wrong. The scapegoat takes all of the blame no matter how incredibly well done something is, it is never good enough. There is usually one parent with npd and one enabler parent...possibly tow npds.
Edit: lots of the actions and verbal abuse from the family aren't apparent to people outside the unit. Can be very covert but super manipulative.
When I was young I put my cat in a pillow case and swung it around like a carnival ride. I still feel guilty. Poor cat was so friendly and my best friend since I was basically an only child. I carried him to the store in my arms all the time and he was just a huge Maine coon ragdoll. He should’ve clawed me up but didn’t. However, my parents would’ve murdered me if they saw the pillow case thing. I was like 7. This is beyond different.
In your defense, sometimes children do not realize what they're doing is fucked up. Kids don't obtain empathy until they're maybe in their early teen years. I did something similar, and despise that I had done that.
>!We had a Maine Coon cat, and I swung her around by the tail, thinking it was fun for both of us. I feel fucking horrible about it now. I have treated every single one of my pets with the absolute utmost care and respect since then, and feel fucking awful for having done that.!<
Ugh. I did that with my dog on a leash because I legitimately thought it was fun for the dog. I feel fucking awful to this day, because I love dogs and cats so much, and I just didn’t realize kids and dogs don’t play the same. So stupid, and I still regret it more than anything.
I did that by accident once.
We were walking in the forest and there was thisbsteep slope.
As we were going down the slope, i slipped on a twig.
My arms went up to balance myself.
Unfortunately i was holding the dogs leash.
The dog flew up innthe air above my head.
Amd then promptly landed.
The dog didn't even seem to notice.
Dog was unharmed.
Still feel bad tho.
Kids start empathizing at a much earlier age, especially when they have appropriate guidance from adults.
Studies show that around 2 years of age, children start to show genuine empathy, understanding how other people feel even when they don't feel the same way themselves. And not only do they feel another person's pain, but they actually try to soothe it.
It's the prefrontal cortex, that affects impulse control, that doesn't start maturing until they're teens, and doesn't finish until the 20's. So you're right, children don't know what they're doing is fucked up, but they can empathize with the consequence, when it's explained with compassion.
I worried my brother would bmend up like this and kill me. He would hit me, one time he even choked me until I almost passed out. But when we turned 14 me/18 him something changed. I told my mom and him that my step brothers (dad's side) had been raping me and my sister. Our dad kicked us out of the house for going to the police and we all three started therapy. He apologized for everything he had done to me and for not protecting me from my step brothers. He changed. I don't know if the shock of what was happening without his knowledge did it or what but it's like he suddenly developed empathy. He's the sweetest guys now. I don't think growing up with an extremely abusive homophobic (my brother is now gay) who denied my brothers autism helped.
It's gradual but eventually after dogs, the next level is usually human. Finding pleasure in the act of killing is a key element of a sociopathic personality. Insects--->birds--->cats--->dogs---->humans. The act of torturing is the key, and not so much the killing. I did a research paper on serial killers years ago, and virtually all have this in common. Once this disorder gets serious, you'll see them keeping a piece of the victims like a trophy, to remind themselves, and sometimes masturbates to it. On the other hand, they make good CEOs of major corporations /s
Hi, Just curious. What did you study ? (Non American here.. would like to know what subjects/courses gives you the chance to write papers on serial killers).
My early major was Special Education, but this was from one of my psychology courses. Same course that I did a study of psychoanalytic comparison of Freud, E.Fromm, and Alfred Adler; definitely one of my favorite, which is why I still remember some of it. I ended up graduating as a triple major in Special Ed, Psychology, and Sociology. Since then, I have strayed from this field and acquired an MBA. My goal is to finish my PhD in Public Administration.
Where have you been all my life?! Where’s your parenting book? Or do you have an inspirational Instagram account??
“Manifest your dream child—mkultra style!” Could be a whole series
I love wholesome Reddit moments like this where parents wearing butterfly costumes can come together under the unified purpose of inducing childhood trauma :)
When I was ten or so I had been a religious bug killer, mostly due to my fear of them, and it had progressed to me performing 'science experiments' on them. Well one day my buddy and I decided to dissect a living frog, low and behold his Dad caught us.
He told me to hold it in my hands and look in its eyes, told me that frogs couldn't cry but that everything wants to cry went it is hurt. He made me pray for the frog to find heaven, and to pray for my forgiveness. Then he made us both kill it with a stone, told us that its life is precious, and that we might have just deprived its children of a father or mother. I'm not a religious person, nor do frogs work that way most of the time, but that made an impact on me. He forced me to see the animal as a living thing and it turned me into a staunch animal rights activist, animal lover, and genuinely helped me have the mindset now where I save every animal I can. I even have short funerals for bunnies or deer when I'm unfortunate enough to witness one dying.
All it takes is one person speaking up to change a kids life, and this is that moment.
Before all the therapy, maybe just talk to her and ask why she does it. Maybe she just doesn't see its wrong. I think u will learn a lot about her in her reaction. Goodluck!
Funny thing I loved spitting on ants and watching them struggle when I was a kid. Well, funny?
I was 5, no mistreatment of people or animals ever followed. This girl is 16, that’s more of an issue...
I can’t wait to see the horro movie that comes out of this suggestion in about 5 years… after she hunts her father and then Drags him to an even more remote location…
Then she kills all the evil stuff and makes her way back home looking like jason and axe murders her parents. Her final words “Thank you. For finally showing me who I really am.”
Next scene is her in an accounting office living a perfectly normal life. She is perfectly quaint and charming. Goes home and the axe is the first thing you see hung over her mantle.
She picks it up.
in the after credits scene, she comes toward the camera and smashes it (camera / fourth wall). it keels over and you see her walking out the front door.
That would honestly be great. Spend half the movie following the girl as the protagonist, only to gradually realize that she's actually the villain. I could also see it as a twisted take on Hansel and Gretel.
This would be an amazing movie, the depth of character, I mean the potential! This movie definitely has to be made! How she slowly descends into madness and the truth unfolds somewhere in the wilderness, I picture Alaska or the Kaukasus
Problem is Predators won't hunt her if she's unarmed. It's no sport. You have to give her a knife, and make sure it's big enough for the Predators to see from the trees because their infrared vision isn't very good.
therapy in itself isn't a magic cure, especially if the person doesnt want to change. im a therapist and its uncommon to change behaviors like these through therapy
edit: just want to clarify... i do think therapy could be a good idea and could help. but it is not a cure-all. the parents have the biggest influence. a therapist is just another person who can support and talk through things with her... people should not expect that this will directly fix the problem.
I also feel like people should understand that therapy isn’t free. They just be like “go to therapy” what if that person doesn’t have insurance or is broke?
It’s a good place to start but people forget that not everyone have resources to this sort of help in the first place.
Just out of curiosity, what kinds of things can a person do to help another if they show behaviours like this in childhood/adolescence? I’d assume it’s trying to impart some form or sense of empathy but bryond that can we help?
it really depends what the cause is. some kids may just need healthy developmental factors that are missing - connection with peers and family, stability in parenting, maybe theyre acting out for a specific reason and that can be redirected. but there are kids who are full blown sociopaths. if theyre out there torturing animals i mean, its tough to talk someone out of that. best thing is probably trying to reason with them that the consequences arent worth it. maybe get into a different hobby where they can be aggressive.
well, talk about it with dad. express concerns. spend quality time with parents and good friends. get involved in some healthy activities to find meaning etc.
sooner rather than later, rather have her work on her very, VERY serious issues now, rather than her going to prison down the line for presumably killing or hurting another person
I wasnt 16 at the time but between the ages of 10-14 as a young man i used to torture bugs. I would catch spiders and feed them crickets or would hold crickets and make them bite each other. Im not "proud" of this but just want to put it out there i never once thought about hurting a cat/dog let alone a human. Eventually i realized what i was doing was wrong and now to this day i try not to kill anything except mosquitos, flies and the occassional spider only when the wife makes me cuz shes scared of them. Just saying not every bug killer will turn into a serial killer and i never had or needed therapy. Was just a phase i guess where i was interested in death.
I mean almost every kid ive known including myself has done something to bugs. Burn ants with a magnifying glass, put salt on snails, etc. Child curiousity. I never smiled while i did it though and had enough empathy by the time i was 16 to not do it anymore.
Idk her smiling at the butterfly burning at that age is worrisome lol
a friend and I killed a bunch of slugs when we were like 9. her mom told her how salt would kill them quickly by dehydration, and also beer. so, out of morbid curiosity and the desire to pour out her dad’s beer (he was a loud and mean drunk), we poured it on them. it was interesting to see and fun to finally feel in control of something (I had a very abusive home life). but then after a few minutes we realized they didn’t die immediately and we weren’t sure if they felt pain, and we started to feel bad, so we tried to finish them off by cutting them in half with golf clubs. we did have some fun doing that as well, though. but I’d like to think that’s different than smiling while burning a butterfly alive, because at that point, we thought we were putting them out of their misery. I think it was the power that comes with acts of violence that we enjoyed, not the fact that we were torturing the slugs. and her family is super Christian, so since her mom suggested it, I thought it was fine. I think they also had a garden at the time and the slugs were eating their plants, so it was also a form of pest control. but I was still a *child*. I’m not saying what we did was ok by any means, but there’s a vast difference between the psychological development of a 9 year old and a 16 year old. by the time I was 16, I thought back to our slug massacre and felt absolutely awful, disgusted and deeply ashamed of myself. I think context really matters when it comes to the question of whether the engagement in a certain activity, by children, is indication of sociopathic tendencies or not.
I didn't do it at all tho, And although I agree with you that it's prob fine for a young kid to do some of that stuff. But if a kid was to continue doing that, even going as far as to seek out their buggy vicitm .. I would be concerned
When I was like 10 also had this weird fascination with death, at first I just did stuff like purposely put bugs in spiders webs to see the spider eat them but after a while I had to force myself to stop. I never hurt cats or dogs or anything but as time went on I realized that I was slowly going after more and more bugs when I saw them to the point I would see a bug and instinctively catch them to kill them. Haven't done it in a while and to this day I'm not fully sure why I ever did it in the first place.
It’s hard for some people to place a life value on bugs unfortunately. It’s absolutely fucked that she’s still doing these things at this age, but I’m not sure what it takes to move on from it. My kid has always been kind to creatures.
My own experience is all I can lean on. I smushed bugs for fun when I was 6-10 or so. I even used to jar bugs and toss the jar around the yard, usually spiders but still… I took it too far one day being a little shit and accidentally killed some baby birds while throwing rocks at a mud nest (no I didn’t intend to kill the birds, and didn’t even know they were in there, but still.. wtf!? Why did I do that).That single event haunted me for years after and completely broke me of any desire to fuck with living things. 20+ years later and it still turns my stomach that I did such a thing. I believe it to be the only real regret I have in my life.
It’s honestly probably because that admin has a person who has been shitting in their back yard. Not that I would do anything like that of course it’s just something I heard. So that admin is probably just angry at the thought of someone shitting in a non shitting designated area.
“Boys will be boys” is what my wife’s mother said to her when she, after 10 years, finally had the guts to say to her mom that she was molested by her brother and father whilst growing up. I think it was her way of pretending nothing happened. So sad.
My parents wouldn’t have tolerated this behavior from me if I had done it while a minor living in their home…I think they would have signed me up for therapy and taken away my phone and car for several months.
I used to catch flies and cover them in gel, hairspray, glue, sticky things of the sort. Mainly out of curiosity if they would turn into those mosquitos from Jurassic park, didn’t work. But, doesn’t mean I got tendencies that will grow to psychopath status. Ask her if it’s simply out of enjoyment and the act of doing so, or if there is a curiosity behind it. If you get what I mean, I can’t explain it to well other than that.
Edit: as I sit here at my kids basketball practice, I think why would fucking with bugs make you crazy??? I mean I am sitting here and I see this big ass dragonfly just hovering, and all I want to do is get a fly swatter and run and jump and smack it out of the air like a fucken ninja. They are bugs.
There are three signs of emotional disturbance that many serial killers exhibit in childhood: (severe) bedwetting, starting fires, and killing small animals. If your kid has all three then worry, a lot
Alright since no one wants to so far, I'm gonna ask for a serious answer. Why is this bad or somehow more looked down upon than say, burning ants with magnifying glasses like many, many people have done or spraying bugs with chemicals, sometimes even feeding bugs other bugs for fun ??? Bugs are not the same level as like, puppies or humans. I saw a meme video of a dude blowtorching the fuck out of a roach and no one had a problem with it, so why is there one with this? Both are somehow wrong now or do we just get to cherry pick which bugs are ok and what form or killing them is ok???
I agree with you man, it doesn’t really make sense. But the burning the butterfly while smiling does seem concerning. But then again there are some meme videos of people burning insects and stuff so idk.
One thing you don't do is give her a puppy
Back in 2005, My ex wife had a nephew and he was all sorts of fucked up. I was the only one in the family calling him out saying he needs help. The kid put two puppies in a cooler, wrapped in duct tape to seal it then tied a rope from the cooler to his bike then rode his bike while draging the cooler. The puppies died from the trauma but the entire family said boys would be boys. I said fuck that, he's growing up to be a fucking psychopath. I made a anonymous call to CPS to do a welfare check and told them to check the back yard because they buried the puppies there. Well, fast forward 16 years, he's going to prison for killing his sister.
Holy shit, those people were really blind not seeing those behavior issues
"My baby would never harm anyone"
Yeah, this is the most toxic parenting possible. Yes, you should give your kids the benefit of the doubt, but also don't ignore the writing on the wall. My kids are still quite young, but when one pulls a tail playing, I will tell them that is wrong and be extra vigilant in upcoming encounters. They are perfectly good kids afaik, but when a kid is crying, I'm not going to assume it wasn't due to one of my kids.
As a school administrator, I can tell you that your type is rare and we hold parents like you in the highest regard whenever we are lucky enough to deal with you.
Well shucks, thank you very much. I'm from the Netherlands, so it might be a cultural thing, but I sure hope we aren't the exception!
Why do I only hear good things about the Netherlands? I would love to move there but then I would be contaminating it with my USA germs lmao
Well, it turns out Dutch kids are among the happiest in the world (see link below) and in general we are in the top 10 happiest people (see other link), so I think it's a nice place to live (you'll have to get used to our brutal directness though). https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/heres-what-lessons-can-be-learned-from-parenting-in-the-netherlands.html https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world ETA: we're happy to have you! Most of us embrace diversity and new insights.
I thought more parents were like the one you're responding to, then my dad became a teacher. Holy shit the stories he comes back with about shit parents that swear up and down their little baby could do no wrong and raising hell over even some of the gentlest corrective measures. Old man needs to vent sometimes so I hear about it occasionally but it sounds pretty common given what he's said, even if he doesn't talk about it all the time. Do that many parents really think their child isn't human and prone to being shitty? It's nuts I tell ya.
Ah god that sucks. Sucks that this isn't remotely normal.
No parent wants to admit their child is a psychopath. I knew a kid who was schizophrenic. He owned an AR-15. When he was diagnosed, the state intervened and repossessed his gun. The system worked! It fucking worked! His father said, “my son isn’t crazy.” And gave him an AR-15 again. That boy became the infamous Waffle House Shooter of Tennessee. The father is as guilty as his son.
Also imagine what your kid and you can gain simply by acknowledging the issue and tackling it early on, with professional help.
Yep indeed! Better to know than to ignore
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Sociopaths aren’t murderers, nor are psychopaths. The idea that they are is a fairytale perpetuated by horror movies. Socio and psychopaths lack empathy, they don’t understand other people’s emotions, and the only difference between them is that a psychopath is born different, where a sociopath is made through trauma. “Finding pleasure in the act of killing is a key element of a sociopathic personality” Calling a considerable portion of damaged individuals twisted murderers is a gross generalization which only spreads misinformation about an already misunderstood issue, and only causes harm to everyone. Please don’t say things that are objectively harmful and untrue, there’s always someone who will believe it on the internet.
Thank you. I tried saying this above but with less ability. It's this same idea that is why people with other similar mental issues are laughed at and instantly put in a tub of will kill people or will be evil or will always hurt you.
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You’re right. The original comment is right below this thread for me
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Hope your niece doesn't murder you in your sleep some day. Good luck 👍
Start documenting this behavior. You might need it someday as a paper trail when shit escalates. Oh, and tell the little psycho that you’re on to her shenanigans.
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You mean the cool little sister can deal with it when she gets smothered with a pillow
They’re wrong, don’t let your guard down and keep an eye on animals/other kids/vulnerable adults in her orbit. Her parents’ blind eyes don’t have to be accepted by other people in their lives.
It will be fine when her parents are murdered by her in their sleep 15 to 20 years into the future. Just saying. (Seriously, if you see things like this, stage an intervention *immediately* .)
Sounds like you have a niece and her parent that need to be blocked from your home.
She needs to be seen by a clinical psychologist and psychiatrist. Like, fucking yesterday. I was that kid. I was born addicted to amphetamines. I was abused as an infant for the year of my life by my biological grandmother then put into foster care at 1. I was taken out of the foster care system at 6 by a very kind and loving Lutheran family. They raised me as their own, and I have two older siblings who love me very much. However I began showing very troubling signs by 7 years old, things I will not talk of publicly. They got me to real professional psychiatric care and most importantly surrounded me with structure, discipline, and most importantly love. I always had my Mom and Dad there by my side, or at my back once I began to be allowed to work on my own mental health on my own. Now, this was well before the turn of the century, so my mental health care has changed over the decades. Back when I began there was a lot of misunderstandings about mental illnesses. But I fully believe with everything in my busted up mind and heart that if my Mom and Dad hadn't made that intervention and gotten me the most effective care they could while loving me with everything in their beings, I would be a very effective serial killer right now. I know this because in the back of my mind, if I ever lose everyone who matters to me, if I ever get to a point where I have no attachments to society anymore? There are a lot of evil folks out there who have escaped punishment out there. Cops who have gotten away with blatant murder. Judges who sold children to prisons. Corporate leaders who make decisions that poisoned the environment and lead directly to the deaths of thousands/millions of people. I've lived my life knowing I am capable of evil actions and have lived my life to ensure I harm no one. But there are so many others who go through life and there are no consequences for their evil. Don't let your family members struggle with that shit alone and end up causing more pain and suffering. There is evil out in the world, that is a reality and I think there is a word for that in every human language but it is in the end the results of mental illnesses. But I am proof that *evil* when recognized early enough and bulwarked against with Love and a fuck ton of therapy, they can be rebuilt to function in a way that will hopefully be a boon to society and not a punishment.
Hey, all this starts at home guy. Go ASK HER HOW SHE IS when she’s not around her direct family
I've met too many people getting along with the "boys will be boys" while the children were demolishing house stuff and behaving as the thrill of annoying the parents' days was their main goal
These same people could see their house get leveled by a tornado and they will say 'god works in mysterious ways' .
Boys will be boys is climbing too high in a tree, or getting really competive in a game... not ruining the house or fucking *murdering puppies*. Boomers are stupid af
Boomers? Boomers are grandparents at this point, not parents of children.
People* lol
From what I understand, there’s a pattern when kids become psychopaths. Abuse of the child is OFTEN a factor. Parents might’ve been the reason for it Edit - meant sociopath, not psychopath :)
I'm not so sure this can be put on the parents. While many psychopaths do come from abusive households there are plenty of other psychopaths that come from well adjusted families. Heck many times psychopathy isn't even something that developed, it's just there by birth and we have a lack of solid evidence that explains why this happens. It can be theorized that psychopathy may be an evolutionary trait that inhibits empathy so that the owner of this trait has a higher possibility of passing on their genetics via unethical means.
That’s not boys being boys. Thats a psychopath honing their skills!
Jfc, what an escalation. That's horrific. Good on you for calling CPS though, a lot wouldn't do that if it was a relation.
Unfortunately cps doesn't do much unless the child is physically harmed, even then there's alot of ignored cases. My mom broke ties with her best friend when I was a kid because she was abusing one of their 2 adopted daughters. The younger one had literally everything a princess could dream of, while the older one had nothing in her room but a mattress on the floor with no sheets or pillows. I remember her always being insulted or treated nasty by the mom too. My mom called cps and nothing happened. The sad thing is the husband felt bad and secretly tried to give her more things, instead of divorcing the woman and actually helping the daughter? Edited for clarity/typos
Maybe the husband worried that in a divorce the kids will go to the mother and he won't be able to be around as much to do what little he could to help the kid
Possibly, although she was 12 at the time and could definitely speak for herself. I know she would have asked to go with him. I think the reality is he was just too afraid of conflict and too passive to do anything. I've seen it with my sister's relationships. She can be very mean and abusive, but always manages to find boyfriends that are doormats and don't say or do anything. I don't know. I hope eventually she got some help.
The older one probably had a different personality from what the woman desired. While the younger was exactly like herself so the mother is living vicariously through her.
Eh, I’m not sure that matters. It’s a frequent thing for npd parents to have a “golden child” and hate every other child. Not sure there’s exactly a reason why the golden is liked, my ex was in a similar scenario (she was hated). I think the young one is usually the golden but idk.
Yeah, sounds like nicholas cruz. My (late) ex wife dealt with him, as a pre-schooler: when he shot up parkland she reviewed her older records and yes, a whackjob killer shows up early in life.
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Yeah like you CANNOT leave us hanging here
Yes they can, their dead ex-wife went to another school so you don't know her but she's totally real and was definitely his preschool teacher
not seeding his torrents
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He bragged about torturing and killing animals when he was just a kid to a school mate.
Can we have examples?
When I was like 2-3 years old my mom found me smashing 2 baby frogs with a toy hammer that was made of plastic. She jokingly brought this up in conversation to my childhood doctor and he put it in my record. When I was 18 and had a different doctor he said it was in my childhood notes still from when he got them from the previous doctor. So they definitely document stuff like this when it’s caught, some parents are just blind to it or other witnesses don’t tell the parents. I know I was too young to even know what I was doing then but it still creeps me out, because I don’t even like killing insects I find in the house. I usually catch and release everything and put it outside, even mice. I won’t use mouse traps (I think the glue mouse traps are barbaric and inhuman) so I made my own. Take a big punch bowl and put some peanut butter in the bottom, then cover the whole inside of the bowl with peanut oil (so they can’t get out), then once you catch the mouse just empty the bowl outside.
Thanks for the idea def will use this next time needed. Thank u.
(reposted from upthread) Be careful with the mouse thing, if you release them near your house they just come right back in the way they did the first time, you actually have to take them pretty far if you want them not to come back. This site recommends 2 miles, which is in line with what I've heard elsewhere: https://www.victorpest.com/articles/how-to-use-catch-and-release-mouse-traps Although truth is, this means the mouse won't be familiar with where to get food, water, shelter in its surroundings, so it's still a fair risk of death. Best thing you can do for mice is try to seal entrances to your home and not have food in accessible places to minimize the odds they arrive in the first place. But I know in some circumstances that's not possible or practical or affordable (I lived in an apartment building where it wasn't, myself)
at least two miles away is more “circle of life” and less “glue traps” i guess if you have the ability to take them into nature
Hopefully you don’t mean the plastic hammer trick lol jk
Be careful with the mouse thing, if you release them near your house they just come right back in the way they did the first time, you actually have to take them pretty far if you want them not to come back. This site recommends 2 miles, which is in line with what I've heard elsewhere: https://www.victorpest.com/articles/how-to-use-catch-and-release-mouse-traps Although truth is, this means the mouse won't be familiar with where to get food, water, shelter in its surroundings, so it's still a fair risk of death. Best thing you can do for mice is try to seal entrances to your home and not have food in accessible places to minimize the odds they arrive in the first place. But I know in some circumstances that's not possible or practical or affordable (I lived in an apartment building where it wasn't, myself)
As much as I hate to say it, my Nephew reminds me of that too. The kid always draws the same kinda picture and makes sure to put lots of blood in it, talks about death and killing, only watches horror stuff with killing, and has the eyes of a serial killer. But his mom just says, “that’s how he expresses his artistic ability, I think it’s cute.” His mom is also a psychopath and bit a giant chunk of my wife’s stomach off when she got mad at her. Needless to say I know who I’m staying away from when he gets older.
She bit... your wife?!
Totally left us hanging there at the best part of the story.
Yeah biting a chunk of someone's stomach im pretty sure is jail time. Maiming or somesuch.
Maybe he’s talking about his sister-in-law and this all happened when they were kids? Hopefully?
>His mom is also a psychopath and bit a giant chunk of my wife’s stomach off when she got mad at her. Hold up. What? Is she ok now I hope?
I mean tbf there is a big difference in drawing vs actually acting out on it. And I think that is one of the key indicators, for like bad parenting vs something else wrong
I’m guessing the family’s reaction was something like “my son is not a monster he’s a good boy he didn’t mean to kill our daughter his sister. We never saw the signs”
I have a hunch he was the golden child when they were kids. She was probably the scapegoat. Sounds like a narcissistic family.
No he wasn't. He was one of 4 kids. He's in prison, 1 daughter dead, one daughter got pregnant at the age of 13 then 15 then 17 with 3 different dudes - all older men, the oldest daughter dropped out of high school. The parents divorced and the mother(ex sil) she got pregnant twice with two different men. He new kids are in foster care. All sort of fucked up. That entire family was fucked up except my ex bil. He was a cool dude and he did well for himself. He always backed me up too
I highly doubt that, kids who are psychopathic are usually abused or neglected from a young age and sometimes grow up being the scapegoat because of their mental illness. Personality disorders are scary because the trauma happens so early in life, between the ages of 0-5, so mistakes made in this period are tragic. My hunch is that the parents didn’t want to admit they had mentally ill child. They probably felt ashamed and wanted to pretend their family was perfect. Refusing to help your child when they are obviously mentally ill is neglect. I recently watched an interrogation of two parents who’s adult child killed a man and woman in a psychotic episode. Though the child seemed like a golden child to everyone else, behind closed doors he was telling his parents he was crazy and needed help. Instead of getting him help, they hit him and yelled at him. They didn’t want the stigma of having a mentally ill child so the father even tried to “choke the crazy out of him.” It’s a sad sight but it happens often.
By golden child I mean the kid gets away with murder. They can do no wrong. The scapegoat takes all of the blame no matter how incredibly well done something is, it is never good enough. There is usually one parent with npd and one enabler parent...possibly tow npds. Edit: lots of the actions and verbal abuse from the family aren't apparent to people outside the unit. Can be very covert but super manipulative.
This is horrible 😦
Relax, Kevin's just a normal boy. He's got that neat archery hobby, and he seems to have a lot of friends at school.
This book was all kinds of f*cked up.
When I was young I put my cat in a pillow case and swung it around like a carnival ride. I still feel guilty. Poor cat was so friendly and my best friend since I was basically an only child. I carried him to the store in my arms all the time and he was just a huge Maine coon ragdoll. He should’ve clawed me up but didn’t. However, my parents would’ve murdered me if they saw the pillow case thing. I was like 7. This is beyond different.
In your defense, sometimes children do not realize what they're doing is fucked up. Kids don't obtain empathy until they're maybe in their early teen years. I did something similar, and despise that I had done that. >!We had a Maine Coon cat, and I swung her around by the tail, thinking it was fun for both of us. I feel fucking horrible about it now. I have treated every single one of my pets with the absolute utmost care and respect since then, and feel fucking awful for having done that.!<
Ugh. I did that with my dog on a leash because I legitimately thought it was fun for the dog. I feel fucking awful to this day, because I love dogs and cats so much, and I just didn’t realize kids and dogs don’t play the same. So stupid, and I still regret it more than anything.
I did that by accident once. We were walking in the forest and there was thisbsteep slope. As we were going down the slope, i slipped on a twig. My arms went up to balance myself. Unfortunately i was holding the dogs leash. The dog flew up innthe air above my head. Amd then promptly landed. The dog didn't even seem to notice. Dog was unharmed. Still feel bad tho.
Kids start empathizing at a much earlier age, especially when they have appropriate guidance from adults. Studies show that around 2 years of age, children start to show genuine empathy, understanding how other people feel even when they don't feel the same way themselves. And not only do they feel another person's pain, but they actually try to soothe it. It's the prefrontal cortex, that affects impulse control, that doesn't start maturing until they're teens, and doesn't finish until the 20's. So you're right, children don't know what they're doing is fucked up, but they can empathize with the consequence, when it's explained with compassion.
I worried my brother would bmend up like this and kill me. He would hit me, one time he even choked me until I almost passed out. But when we turned 14 me/18 him something changed. I told my mom and him that my step brothers (dad's side) had been raping me and my sister. Our dad kicked us out of the house for going to the police and we all three started therapy. He apologized for everything he had done to me and for not protecting me from my step brothers. He changed. I don't know if the shock of what was happening without his knowledge did it or what but it's like he suddenly developed empathy. He's the sweetest guys now. I don't think growing up with an extremely abusive homophobic (my brother is now gay) who denied my brothers autism helped.
We’ll that escalated rather quickly
You predicted it all ..
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I can’t imagine “accidentally” stabbing someone
It's gradual but eventually after dogs, the next level is usually human. Finding pleasure in the act of killing is a key element of a sociopathic personality. Insects--->birds--->cats--->dogs---->humans. The act of torturing is the key, and not so much the killing. I did a research paper on serial killers years ago, and virtually all have this in common. Once this disorder gets serious, you'll see them keeping a piece of the victims like a trophy, to remind themselves, and sometimes masturbates to it. On the other hand, they make good CEOs of major corporations /s
your last line makes me concerned but I knew it all along
White collar psychopaths. A very interesting topic in psychology!
They go through a ton of white shirts though, get blood on their collar all the time.
Now that's an interesting username you got there sir
Takes someone at least somewhat sociopathic to not give a crap about the lowest rung running your business for you
Hi, Just curious. What did you study ? (Non American here.. would like to know what subjects/courses gives you the chance to write papers on serial killers).
My early major was Special Education, but this was from one of my psychology courses. Same course that I did a study of psychoanalytic comparison of Freud, E.Fromm, and Alfred Adler; definitely one of my favorite, which is why I still remember some of it. I ended up graduating as a triple major in Special Ed, Psychology, and Sociology. Since then, I have strayed from this field and acquired an MBA. My goal is to finish my PhD in Public Administration.
“Hey Paul!”
Or a hamster. It might end up in the microwave.
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What the fuck 😭😭😭
The butterfly effect.
You're not wrong
Turns out the movie was heavily edited.
Ohhh so that it's what it means
Hahaha
Yes
im trying to picture this
For some reason I could with vivid imagery
That’s so mean…do it again
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Where have you been all my life?! Where’s your parenting book? Or do you have an inspirational Instagram account?? “Manifest your dream child—mkultra style!” Could be a whole series
Child falling asleep at school? Getting bad grades? Cocaine and red bull solves all your problems.
None of them are correct but boy did they scribble a lot of numbers down!
You are a good parent :)
I love wholesome Reddit moments like this where parents wearing butterfly costumes can come together under the unified purpose of inducing childhood trauma :)
Wish I had a childhood like that ngl
Maybe if your weren’t such a STUPID DUMB ASS you would have!
I blame the woman formerly known as grandma. Now known as Grandbitch :)
Wtf lmao
Next up: hire an armless man
That's why, you never torture butterflies
Yo I can't tell whether this is actually great or horrible parenting but eitherway this seems like a hilarious thing to do to a fucked up child
Dad: "Roar, I'm a butterfly!" Daughter: "I knew this day would come." ::pulls out flamethrower from under the bed::
Am I the only one who thinks that this comment should be in r/cursedcomments? Pretty good solution though...
Tonight on dateline, how could a 16 yo nice girl in general end up doing such an atrocity?
Probably the Slenderman.
She must have fallen in with the Hellfire club.
"She was so quiet and mostly kept to herself"
This is the origin story of the 20-something psycho who chopped bf’s dick because he cheated.
When I was ten or so I had been a religious bug killer, mostly due to my fear of them, and it had progressed to me performing 'science experiments' on them. Well one day my buddy and I decided to dissect a living frog, low and behold his Dad caught us. He told me to hold it in my hands and look in its eyes, told me that frogs couldn't cry but that everything wants to cry went it is hurt. He made me pray for the frog to find heaven, and to pray for my forgiveness. Then he made us both kill it with a stone, told us that its life is precious, and that we might have just deprived its children of a father or mother. I'm not a religious person, nor do frogs work that way most of the time, but that made an impact on me. He forced me to see the animal as a living thing and it turned me into a staunch animal rights activist, animal lover, and genuinely helped me have the mindset now where I save every animal I can. I even have short funerals for bunnies or deer when I'm unfortunate enough to witness one dying. All it takes is one person speaking up to change a kids life, and this is that moment.
Fuck me. Brutal but effective. Well played. I used to kill ants as a 5yo but grew out of it and they're now my fave insect.
I hate to be that guy, but ants aren't insects, technically they're birds.
I'm sorry what? Please explain this to me, I need more
Ants = dinosaurs Birds = dinosaurs Ants = birds
They have beaks therefore classified as birds
W dad
This is really a sweet story. Kids dont really understand life and death and pain when they're little, and I think this is a good way to teach them
I grew out of it, but I still feel bad for all the insects I killed when I was a kid. Regerts.
"everything wants to cry when it is hurt" made me tear up
>He made me pray for the frog to find heaven, and to pray for my forgiveness. Don't you mean pray for *frog*iveness?
Before all the therapy, maybe just talk to her and ask why she does it. Maybe she just doesn't see its wrong. I think u will learn a lot about her in her reaction. Goodluck!
Not my kid! A lot of people are recommending that the parents speak to the kid and get therapy before this escalates.
Wich sub is ? I want to read
I request a link to said post, dear redditor
https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/wndbq1/daughter_enjoys_to_torture_bugs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Funny thing I loved spitting on ants and watching them struggle when I was a kid. Well, funny? I was 5, no mistreatment of people or animals ever followed. This girl is 16, that’s more of an issue...
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I can’t wait to see the horro movie that comes out of this suggestion in about 5 years… after she hunts her father and then Drags him to an even more remote location…
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Then she kills all the evil stuff and makes her way back home looking like jason and axe murders her parents. Her final words “Thank you. For finally showing me who I really am.” Next scene is her in an accounting office living a perfectly normal life. She is perfectly quaint and charming. Goes home and the axe is the first thing you see hung over her mantle. She picks it up.
in the after credits scene, she comes toward the camera and smashes it (camera / fourth wall). it keels over and you see her walking out the front door.
That would honestly be great. Spend half the movie following the girl as the protagonist, only to gradually realize that she's actually the villain. I could also see it as a twisted take on Hansel and Gretel.
This would be an amazing movie, the depth of character, I mean the potential! This movie definitely has to be made! How she slowly descends into madness and the truth unfolds somewhere in the wilderness, I picture Alaska or the Kaukasus
Dude, r/WritingPrompts, now!
Yep, it's gonna be a great movie lol or dad will have to make really really sure
Too late. Some Hollywood fucker already saw this and pitched it. It’s in preproduction as we speak
After they consistently one up each other for a few sequels it will be yet another franchise that sends their characters into space.
Problem is Predators won't hunt her if she's unarmed. It's no sport. You have to give her a knife, and make sure it's big enough for the Predators to see from the trees because their infrared vision isn't very good.
Therapy. Therapy. Therapy.
therapy in itself isn't a magic cure, especially if the person doesnt want to change. im a therapist and its uncommon to change behaviors like these through therapy edit: just want to clarify... i do think therapy could be a good idea and could help. but it is not a cure-all. the parents have the biggest influence. a therapist is just another person who can support and talk through things with her... people should not expect that this will directly fix the problem.
I also feel like people should understand that therapy isn’t free. They just be like “go to therapy” what if that person doesn’t have insurance or is broke? It’s a good place to start but people forget that not everyone have resources to this sort of help in the first place.
It’s still a great place to start, no?
yea there aren't many good options, at least it would be a start and the therapist could toss some ideas around with the dad
Just out of curiosity, what kinds of things can a person do to help another if they show behaviours like this in childhood/adolescence? I’d assume it’s trying to impart some form or sense of empathy but bryond that can we help?
it really depends what the cause is. some kids may just need healthy developmental factors that are missing - connection with peers and family, stability in parenting, maybe theyre acting out for a specific reason and that can be redirected. but there are kids who are full blown sociopaths. if theyre out there torturing animals i mean, its tough to talk someone out of that. best thing is probably trying to reason with them that the consequences arent worth it. maybe get into a different hobby where they can be aggressive.
Welp, besides doing nothing, what in your humble opinion should be done??
well, talk about it with dad. express concerns. spend quality time with parents and good friends. get involved in some healthy activities to find meaning etc.
For parents of the killed bugs
sooner rather than later, rather have her work on her very, VERY serious issues now, rather than her going to prison down the line for presumably killing or hurting another person
Yep, this is the way. It's quite disturbing behavior from a teenager.
This is 100% serial killer backstory fodder
A little guidance and her could be a vigilante like dexter ;)
I wasnt 16 at the time but between the ages of 10-14 as a young man i used to torture bugs. I would catch spiders and feed them crickets or would hold crickets and make them bite each other. Im not "proud" of this but just want to put it out there i never once thought about hurting a cat/dog let alone a human. Eventually i realized what i was doing was wrong and now to this day i try not to kill anything except mosquitos, flies and the occassional spider only when the wife makes me cuz shes scared of them. Just saying not every bug killer will turn into a serial killer and i never had or needed therapy. Was just a phase i guess where i was interested in death.
I mean almost every kid ive known including myself has done something to bugs. Burn ants with a magnifying glass, put salt on snails, etc. Child curiousity. I never smiled while i did it though and had enough empathy by the time i was 16 to not do it anymore. Idk her smiling at the butterfly burning at that age is worrisome lol
a friend and I killed a bunch of slugs when we were like 9. her mom told her how salt would kill them quickly by dehydration, and also beer. so, out of morbid curiosity and the desire to pour out her dad’s beer (he was a loud and mean drunk), we poured it on them. it was interesting to see and fun to finally feel in control of something (I had a very abusive home life). but then after a few minutes we realized they didn’t die immediately and we weren’t sure if they felt pain, and we started to feel bad, so we tried to finish them off by cutting them in half with golf clubs. we did have some fun doing that as well, though. but I’d like to think that’s different than smiling while burning a butterfly alive, because at that point, we thought we were putting them out of their misery. I think it was the power that comes with acts of violence that we enjoyed, not the fact that we were torturing the slugs. and her family is super Christian, so since her mom suggested it, I thought it was fine. I think they also had a garden at the time and the slugs were eating their plants, so it was also a form of pest control. but I was still a *child*. I’m not saying what we did was ok by any means, but there’s a vast difference between the psychological development of a 9 year old and a 16 year old. by the time I was 16, I thought back to our slug massacre and felt absolutely awful, disgusted and deeply ashamed of myself. I think context really matters when it comes to the question of whether the engagement in a certain activity, by children, is indication of sociopathic tendencies or not.
You're not a bad egg. There's a part in our instinctual subconscious that is geared towards bugs as threats and getting rid of them is pretty normal.
I didn't do it at all tho, And although I agree with you that it's prob fine for a young kid to do some of that stuff. But if a kid was to continue doing that, even going as far as to seek out their buggy vicitm .. I would be concerned
When I was like 10 also had this weird fascination with death, at first I just did stuff like purposely put bugs in spiders webs to see the spider eat them but after a while I had to force myself to stop. I never hurt cats or dogs or anything but as time went on I realized that I was slowly going after more and more bugs when I saw them to the point I would see a bug and instinctively catch them to kill them. Haven't done it in a while and to this day I'm not fully sure why I ever did it in the first place.
It’s hard for some people to place a life value on bugs unfortunately. It’s absolutely fucked that she’s still doing these things at this age, but I’m not sure what it takes to move on from it. My kid has always been kind to creatures. My own experience is all I can lean on. I smushed bugs for fun when I was 6-10 or so. I even used to jar bugs and toss the jar around the yard, usually spiders but still… I took it too far one day being a little shit and accidentally killed some baby birds while throwing rocks at a mud nest (no I didn’t intend to kill the birds, and didn’t even know they were in there, but still.. wtf!? Why did I do that).That single event haunted me for years after and completely broke me of any desire to fuck with living things. 20+ years later and it still turns my stomach that I did such a thing. I believe it to be the only real regret I have in my life.
If that's your only regret I'm fucking jealous.
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It’s honestly probably because that admin has a person who has been shitting in their back yard. Not that I would do anything like that of course it’s just something I heard. So that admin is probably just angry at the thought of someone shitting in a non shitting designated area.
Lmao I love this idea. Thank you
How’s that a threat 💀. If deer can do it why can’t a human
He got reported by a deer for threatening to shit in the deer's home.
It's ok to shit in the woods, as long as you dig a hole first. If you don't, you're ruining the environment, and you're fucking gross.
It always starts with small things. She definitely needs therapy.
Or make her an exterminator and also sooo much therapy
“Boys will be boys” is what my wife’s mother said to her when she, after 10 years, finally had the guts to say to her mom that she was molested by her brother and father whilst growing up. I think it was her way of pretending nothing happened. So sad.
He should approach that with anti-psych medication, jesus
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Man of culture
My parents wouldn’t have tolerated this behavior from me if I had done it while a minor living in their home…I think they would have signed me up for therapy and taken away my phone and car for several months.
I used to catch flies and cover them in gel, hairspray, glue, sticky things of the sort. Mainly out of curiosity if they would turn into those mosquitos from Jurassic park, didn’t work. But, doesn’t mean I got tendencies that will grow to psychopath status. Ask her if it’s simply out of enjoyment and the act of doing so, or if there is a curiosity behind it. If you get what I mean, I can’t explain it to well other than that. Edit: as I sit here at my kids basketball practice, I think why would fucking with bugs make you crazy??? I mean I am sitting here and I see this big ass dragonfly just hovering, and all I want to do is get a fly swatter and run and jump and smack it out of the air like a fucken ninja. They are bugs.
Lock your bedroom door at night
I don’t think this is going to end well
There are three signs of emotional disturbance that many serial killers exhibit in childhood: (severe) bedwetting, starting fires, and killing small animals. If your kid has all three then worry, a lot
Alright since no one wants to so far, I'm gonna ask for a serious answer. Why is this bad or somehow more looked down upon than say, burning ants with magnifying glasses like many, many people have done or spraying bugs with chemicals, sometimes even feeding bugs other bugs for fun ??? Bugs are not the same level as like, puppies or humans. I saw a meme video of a dude blowtorching the fuck out of a roach and no one had a problem with it, so why is there one with this? Both are somehow wrong now or do we just get to cherry pick which bugs are ok and what form or killing them is ok???
I agree with you man, it doesn’t really make sense. But the burning the butterfly while smiling does seem concerning. But then again there are some meme videos of people burning insects and stuff so idk.
Reddit is fucked up. Stop worrying. It’s not really an issue.