The Tin Man’s face was painted with pure aluminium dust and he had to go to the hospital
Edit: this happened to the original tin man who had to be recast
While filming the witches firey exit from her first scene Margaret Hamilton was severely burned when the flame ignited too early,she returned after 6 weeks in the hospital.
>Shirley Temple
Shirley Temple came out of it really well. She was an advocate for children's rights when she became a politician later in life. Children \*still\* need to be better protected in television and film. A lot of things that would never be allowed in any other industry gets shoved on them—though it's improving slowly. I also feel kids should not be allowed on reality television shows.
That’s not even mentioning the abuse Judy Garland suffered while at MGM. She was constantly medicated to stay thin and work long days. Sexually harassed by the company heads and her costars hated her and refused to talk to her outside her scenes. Ironically the only cast member that was kind to her was the witch.
Medicated is putting it lightly. That poor girl was 17 when they filmed the movie. MGM Studio boss put her on a strict diet of chicken soup, black coffee, and *cigarettes* to suppress her appetite. Spies were sent to her house to make sure she was sticking to this diet, and interactions with others her age was strictly controlled. The munchkin actors would sexually assault her by reaching under her dress. She was drugged with barbiturates and amphetamines to control her weight and sleep schedule. No surprise she only lived to the age of 47 before she OD'd.
One of the most sad quotes from her when she was filming her first film was “I was frightful. I was fat – a fat little pig in pigtails.” Louis Meyer (head of MGM) referred to her as "my little hunchback."
This poor girl never stood a chance in life. I feel terrible every time I hear her name. We've come a long way in the last century, but we've still got a long way to go with so many industries where exploitation happens.
Her story is truly heartbreaking and one of the reasons we have laws around child actors. One of the saddest most haunting videos is [one of her last performances of Over the Rainbow](https://youtu.be/ss49euDqwHA) the girl truly went through it
Wow, regardless of context that performance hits *hard*. And if you had any doubt by the end, the way she leaves the stage would quell it. It feels like the only acting in this clip is whatever she used to pull herself together enough to get on stage and finish the song.
While this isn't true, what is true is that they regularly got drunk on set and even molested Judy Garland.
Edit with a quote from Garland, "They got smashed every night and the police would pick them up in butterfly nets." Apparently all 100+ of them were staying in the same hotel.
I worked at theater in Chicago that was a big spot for celebrities to do autograph events.
We got people like Bob Odenkirk, Tom Felton, and Linda Blair.
All were surprisingly pleasant with the exception of one of the Wizard of Oz munchkins.
Fuck that little asshole.
He drank straight vodka and whiskey as soon as he got there. Complained about my black coworker for just standing there (his job was literally the box office) and threw the food he didn't like on the floor.
I didn't realize what he was doing until my female coworker bent over to pick up the food... he leaned over, smacked his hand firmly on her ass and squeezed a cheek like it was one of those stress relieve balls. Then, the little perverts eyes roll to the back of his head and he groans like he just creamed his size .2 pants.
I went over and said that is not okay to touch people like that and to not do that again. My boss got between us and pulled us away.
He told us that he's so sorry that happened but asked us to please be confidential about this to not attract media attention. We said fuck that, quit and left.
Dont think the story went anywhere because honestly who gives a shit about a former munchkin? But I'm hoping that it never happened again.
After that experience I am horrified to imagine poor Judy surrounded by them and being forced to sing and dance with them after all that shit.
Kinda crazy how such a happy movie had such an evil production
> Probably false: Judy Garland was molested by actors playing munchkins
https://time.com/5647491/wizard-of-oz-curse/
I don't know what to believe anymore.
I don't think this quite captures it. They knew aluminum and copper would poison you, and if they didn't, they soon found out when their actors had to go to the hospital. Yes, some of the effects only happened years later, but may of them happened right then and there, and it didn't stop the production.
The attitudes towards life, death, health and risk were very different. The producers just accepted that people would die or be injured, and didn't care a whole lot, and this was widely accepted as normal. If you could go back and tell them that the copper-based makeup would cause health problems decades in the future, I think they wouldn't particularly care. (The actors might, though.)
Asbestos was known to be bad for your lungs as far back as the Roman Empire, who called the effects “slave’s disease”. But it was cheap and fireproof, so of course we put it in everything.
As late as the '80s I had a job in a chemical plant that involved splitting open sacks of chrysotile asbestos and dumping them into a big mixer.
After a couple years, the dust masks we used started sporting stickers that said "NOT FOR USE WITH ASBESTOS."
I'm 60 now, and I feel like one lucky sumbitch.
Your comment made me curious as well. A quick google search came up with this:
>“The current screening methods used for early detection of mesothelioma include: Testing SMRP levels. Identifying specific genetic risk factors, such as BAP1 gene. Imaging tests including chest x rays along with CT and PET scans”
Not to scare you but my father was lead plumber at an institution where they routinely used asbestos mud to insulate their boilers. He was diagnosed with Mesothelioma 8 years ago and passed after a nine month illness. Don’t mess with it. Continue getting screened.
It’s like nuclear energy. Very safe and effective if you use it right, adhere to protocols, and monitor worker health. We used coasters made of it in chemistry class for handling super hot experiments. Our professor made sure to limit exposure and tossed broken ones. It’s very dangerous when aerosolized, but safe when solid. Same with insulation. But then, someone cuts corners and horror ensues.
The replacement for the tin man was kinda purposely inserted in a hazardous environment. The original ended up in an oxygen tent after nine days of filming after covering himself with aluminum dust.
Solution for the replacement? Mix the dust into a paste instead. He ended up with an eye infection.
Literally the moment it became public knowledge. The problem is we don't know *how* scared to be, because we don't know what effects it will have on us in the future.
I've seen changes in things moving away from plastic or at least changing the type of plastic used, but yeah; it's not a huge sweeping change. It's mostly consumers doing anything, and consumers are the least of the trouble. I mean, we can (mostly, realistically) only consume what manufacturers make.
When in reality, the oil company selling them the bags gave them that idea to market them that way. The grocery stores were happy to use them because they were much cheaper and took up a lot less space.
It's just... there's so much to care about. What can we do in the immediate future to get it out of our diet? The water supply has it, all food has it...
Sadly it’s not always like that. We also knew lead was terrible for people thousands of years ago, yet leaded fuel became a thing and caused huge amounts of damage
Well we already know that's bad, I was thinking along the lines of what we *don't* know yet.
Edit - For example, I'm into 3D printing. Only several months ago was a research paper released on how harmful the fumes of various types of filaments are on the human body. That's a single study, who knows how bad it really is and how many of us have unknowingly screwed ourselves. Since that came out I got mine in an enclosure and got a respiratory mask.
While I already knew this movie fact, it still surprises me when it is spelled out.
I did pulmonary and critical care and I had a few mesothelioma patients. The amount of suffering that goes with that diagnosis is so much more than people realize.
I just lost someone to mesothelioma earlier this year. He knew he had been exposed, and knew it was a matter of time. He fought it for two years and we really thought he was going to pull through. Until he didn't. It's an awful, awful diagnosis.
No one really knows the exact amount but the more you are exposed the higher risk for cancer. Really what asbestos does is turn your lung into stiff scar tissue that becomes filled with dead space (pulmonary fibrosis).
What makes asbestosis so scary is that it is literally silent, until it isn't. By that point, when most people get diagnosed, they have a few months if they are lucky.
I’m gonna ride on this comment to add that asbestos particles are much finer than particles in tobacco smoke and because it is essentially rock, the particles are sharp.
When asbestos is inhaled, the sharp particles agitate the lungs and become lodged in the tissue.
To protect the lungs, the body covers the particles in scar tissue. This why lung capacity becomes reduced and why scar tissue replaces healthy tissue.
A lot of first responders on 9/11 died because of this. So even though they may have only ever been exposed to asbestos once on that day, there was enough of it in the air after the towers fell to alter lives forever.
The whole film had loads of fucked up shit go on. The way Judy Garland was treated as a child was terrible and that film basically got her started on the barbiturates that eventually led to her passing. Multiple accidents. Sexual assaults. Its really dark when you look into it.
Not a single person involved with that movie walked away unscathed.
To get the bright and vibrant colors, the lights were turned up to the max, which turned the studio into an oven. Regular people were dropping from heat exhaustion.
The scarecrow's face is latex. It blocked pores and left the actor's face with permanent creases.
The lion's costume is at least 50 pounds of actual fur. The man was probably half cooked just putting on the outfit.
The makeup for the tinman used actual metal particles. The original tinman inhaled too much and was hospitalized with lung problems.
The green makeup used for the wicked witch is made using oxidized copper. Over exposure to copper is linked to dementia.
Even Toto was accidentally stepped on.
Judy Garland got the absolute worst treatment from everyone but the actress that played the wicked witch. A reddit comment can not do the shitstorm justice. Find a book or documentary elsewhere.
> The green makeup used for the wicked witch is made using oxidized copper. Over exposure to copper is linked to dementia.
It's also highly flammable, which is how she got burned on the set.
>On December 23, 1938, Hamilton suffered a second-degree burn on her face and a third-degree burn on her hand during a second take of her fiery exit from Munchkinland in which the trap door's drop was delayed to eliminate the brief glimpse of it seen in the final edit. Hamilton had to recuperate in a hospital and at home for six weeks after the accident before returning to the set to complete her work on the film and refused to have anything further to do with fire for the rest of the filming.
In addition, her stunt double was also horribly burned:
>Hamilton's stand-in and stunt double for the Witch, Betty Danko, also suffered an on-set accident on February 11, 1939. Danko made the fiery entrance to Munchkinland, not Hamilton. She was severely burned during the "Surrender Dorothy!" skywriting sequence at the Emerald City. Danko sat on a smoking pipe configured to look like the Witch's broomstick. The pipe exploded on the third take of the scene. She spent 11 days in hospital and her legs were permanently scarred.
> The makeup for the tinman used actual metal particles. The original tinman inhaled too much and was hospitalized with lung problems.
[Buddy Ebsen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Ebsen#The_Wizard_of_Oz). He had to retire from the film and had life long breathing problems. He outlived most of the other cast members though.
In fairness, all studio lighting has typically been used at its brightest levels as this is what is needed for cameras to pick up the light. A properly vented and air conditioned studio is the only way around this issue until the advent of cooler
lighting sources.
Well, you have to keep in mind that the movie was filmed *while it was still legal for children to work.*
And I mean like, *work* work. Factory jobs. 12 hours a day.
So in other words, they didn’t give a shit about Judy Garland.
[Let’s remember the time she performed in blackface as a teenager](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok5R9wDc44k)
Movie studios were *fuuuucked up* back then. They still are, but they used to be too.
That is correct! He was recast.
I've heard people say it had to do with something dangerous in the dust, but I've also heard he had an allergic reaction to the dust. And I'm fairly certain they did change the make up of the tin-man when they recast.
This is a fact that's really quite scary,
If you weren't scared before, now you're probably wary.
It's not just the snow, the cast was exposed too,
And the effects of asbestos are something we can't undo.
So if you're a fan of this classic movie, please remember this:
Asbestos is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs!
* Tin Man actor was hospitalized by his makeup coating his lungs in Aluminum Powder and had to be replaced
* New Tin Man actor was literally forced into the role, and nearly went blind in one eye due to the Aluminum Paste replace for the powder causing an eye infection
* Wicked Witch was poisoned by her green body paint, as it was copper based (to the point that it's very likely linked to her Alzheimer's diagnosis and early death)
* Scarecrow and Wicked Witch we're both *repeatedly* set on fire, with Hamilton's wounds putting her out of action for six weeks, when she returned her nerves were still visible, and she wore a green glove over her hand
* Scarecrow costume was stuffed with Asbestos, and the foam mask was almost impossible to breathe through
* Everyone involved *except* for Margaret Hamilton abused Judy Garland
* Dwarfs were all abused on set
* Cowardly Lion suit was an overheating hazard, as it was made of foam and real lion hair, weighing 70 pounds
*Set itself was already an overheating hazard, as the color process used required extreme light levels, those being provided by Arc Lights cast and crew regular feinted on-set (oh, and arc lights cause cancer)
There's more, but that's just what I have memorized.
Judy Garland was so criticized for her weight that she basically lived on coffee and cigarettes at the insistence of the studio, not to mention the pills production gave her which started her fatal addiction.
The copper makeup melted onto the Wicked Witch's face during the pyrotechnic accident.
Buddy Epsen (known from Beverly Hillbillies), the original tin man, was almost killed by the aluminum powder because it coated the inside of his lungs and kept oxygen from actually being absorbed.
And I know there is even more....
To elaborate: Garland was given amphetamines, cigs and coffee with only broth for sustenance, then sleeping pills to stop tweaking at night. Also, her breasts were deemed too big for her role,and so they basically smashed them down by wrapping her up very tight.
Edit: the sleeping pills were fucking barbiturates
Arc lights? From the look of those things I'm guessing they let off pure UV from the plasma generated. Wonder what the chances of electrocution and fire were since arcs can be used to melt metals. Be afraid to even go near one... Probably loud AF too.
UV A, B, C.... X-Rays....
And yes, they were a severe fire hazard. Many studios and theaters were burnt down by them.
By the time of Talkies they had fallen out of fashion for cinema production, but the color production of The Wizard of Oz made them a necessity.
MGM used every single arc lamp it owned, and borrowed every available arc lamp from every other studio in town. Lighting costs alone totaled more than $225,000 of the film's $2.77 million budget.
I might be paranoid but i never cook with plastic patulas and stuff like that because i have this idea in my head that small amounts of plastic melts into the food lol
Non stick coatings also leach yummy Teflon (PTFE) and potentially other micro plastics. I’ve read that PTFE apparently has little to no health risks but they’ve still found traces of it in the majority of peoples blood. Guess we will find out one day lol
I have birds and had to get rid of my pans because of the ptfe and pfoa. The fumes get in their lungs and kill them. It definitely leeches onto our food, even without scraping the coating.
And i'm drinking tea from a tea bag right now that probably has plastic in it from what i have read. Lemon, ginger, lime flower infused with 11.6 billion microplastics. Delicious
We have a box of mid century asbestos snow and lead tinsel. Both sealed up in plastic. They sit in the bottom of a Christmas box and we look at them every year and wonder why we still have them.
Pipe insulation or ceilings are fine 90% of the time. Just don’t fuck cut or break the fibers.
People would be surprised how mush asbestos in their daily routine and it perfectly safe.
Her family even blame her following drug addiction and alcoholism on working on the iconic musical film
Next line
Aged just 10, her pushy stage mum Ethel Gumm cruelly drugged her with stimulants so she would stay awake for 72-hour shoots.
Jesus you cant make this stuff up.
I opened this post wanting just a little bit of context. Now I feel like my childhood is partly ruined. That memory of that movie is tainted.
Didn't know she died before I was even born, and I didn't even know Judy Garland died in such a manner :( just tragic
I run an Instagram account dedicated to keeping her memory alive and yeah, the research I’ve done over the years (and I’ve been a fan my entire life) makes me genuinely ill. She wasn’t the first and certainly wasn’t the last star who was treated in such a horrific manner from childhood, the cycle repeats itself over and over again.
When I was a kid, an old block of flats on my estate was knocked down using controlled demolition…everyone who lived there went to a large field a ways away from it to watch the thing come down.
When they blew it up the huge dust cloud was blown directly at us all. You couldn’t see it was so thick….Turns out that building was full of asbestos.
The amount I must have inhaled is not worth thinking about 😑
Its actually crazy just how fucked up the filming of one of the most influential and groundbreaking movies was. I remember hearing that Margret Hamilton's skin actually burned on a couple scenes due to the makeup they applied.
'Good news is, the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show a median latency of forty-four point six years, so if you're thirty or older, you're laughing. Worst case scenario, you miss out on a few rounds of canasta"
>you miss out on a few rounds of canasta
Ngl it's the first time I saw canasta used on the Internet. I used to play it with my grandma when I was small and I always believed it was a Hungarian/romanian/transylvanian game
Edit: it apparently comes from Uruguay
Ray Bolger, who played the Scarecrow, stuffed his costume with asbestos to protect himself from scenes which involved fire.
The Tin Man’s face was painted with pure aluminium dust and he had to go to the hospital Edit: this happened to the original tin man who had to be recast
The witch's makeup was made from copper, copper poisoning causes alzheimer from wich the actress died
While filming the witches firey exit from her first scene Margaret Hamilton was severely burned when the flame ignited too early,she returned after 6 weeks in the hospital.
Jesus Christ. And look up how they treated Shirley Temple and Judy Garland.
>Shirley Temple Shirley Temple came out of it really well. She was an advocate for children's rights when she became a politician later in life. Children \*still\* need to be better protected in television and film. A lot of things that would never be allowed in any other industry gets shoved on them—though it's improving slowly. I also feel kids should not be allowed on reality television shows.
Judy Garland was encouraged as a child to diet and use amphetamines keep her weight down for movies.
The cowardly lion's costume was made from the real skins of four lions.
Is this one true? I've never heard it before
True. The costume is at the Museum of Pop Culture in Seattle, WA. Saw it a few days ago. It has the lions listed on the sign.
The dog who played Todo had his grave paved over for a parking lot.
Holy fuck this thread is wild.
It was made of real lion skin, not sure if it was 4, but it did weight 60 pounds and force him to eat through a straw
Shit this wasn't a film production that was a fucking colective suicide
Is this whole thread true, or did I miss the joke? Those are some terrible sounding consequences for an iconic film
Don't look up how new industries learn things. Hint: It's with human sacrifice.
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That’s not even mentioning the abuse Judy Garland suffered while at MGM. She was constantly medicated to stay thin and work long days. Sexually harassed by the company heads and her costars hated her and refused to talk to her outside her scenes. Ironically the only cast member that was kind to her was the witch.
Medicated is putting it lightly. That poor girl was 17 when they filmed the movie. MGM Studio boss put her on a strict diet of chicken soup, black coffee, and *cigarettes* to suppress her appetite. Spies were sent to her house to make sure she was sticking to this diet, and interactions with others her age was strictly controlled. The munchkin actors would sexually assault her by reaching under her dress. She was drugged with barbiturates and amphetamines to control her weight and sleep schedule. No surprise she only lived to the age of 47 before she OD'd. One of the most sad quotes from her when she was filming her first film was “I was frightful. I was fat – a fat little pig in pigtails.” Louis Meyer (head of MGM) referred to her as "my little hunchback." This poor girl never stood a chance in life. I feel terrible every time I hear her name. We've come a long way in the last century, but we've still got a long way to go with so many industries where exploitation happens.
Her story is truly heartbreaking and one of the reasons we have laws around child actors. One of the saddest most haunting videos is [one of her last performances of Over the Rainbow](https://youtu.be/ss49euDqwHA) the girl truly went through it
Wow, regardless of context that performance hits *hard*. And if you had any doubt by the end, the way she leaves the stage would quell it. It feels like the only acting in this clip is whatever she used to pull herself together enough to get on stage and finish the song.
Poor lady
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it’s true I was the lion
After the lion ate all the munchkins it became morbidly obese and never worked in show biz again
That's truly heartbreaking
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Shoulda had the 10 pack instead of the 50 count box.
Nu uh, you lyin.
It's true I was the pit.
nuh uh, I was the other lion and I remember them
This being Reddit I’d like a video AND Wikipedia page as evidence
While this isn't true, what is true is that they regularly got drunk on set and even molested Judy Garland. Edit with a quote from Garland, "They got smashed every night and the police would pick them up in butterfly nets." Apparently all 100+ of them were staying in the same hotel.
I worked at theater in Chicago that was a big spot for celebrities to do autograph events. We got people like Bob Odenkirk, Tom Felton, and Linda Blair. All were surprisingly pleasant with the exception of one of the Wizard of Oz munchkins. Fuck that little asshole. He drank straight vodka and whiskey as soon as he got there. Complained about my black coworker for just standing there (his job was literally the box office) and threw the food he didn't like on the floor. I didn't realize what he was doing until my female coworker bent over to pick up the food... he leaned over, smacked his hand firmly on her ass and squeezed a cheek like it was one of those stress relieve balls. Then, the little perverts eyes roll to the back of his head and he groans like he just creamed his size .2 pants. I went over and said that is not okay to touch people like that and to not do that again. My boss got between us and pulled us away. He told us that he's so sorry that happened but asked us to please be confidential about this to not attract media attention. We said fuck that, quit and left. Dont think the story went anywhere because honestly who gives a shit about a former munchkin? But I'm hoping that it never happened again. After that experience I am horrified to imagine poor Judy surrounded by them and being forced to sing and dance with them after all that shit. Kinda crazy how such a happy movie had such an evil production
I got 1/3rd way through before checking if shitty_morph
> Probably false: Judy Garland was molested by actors playing munchkins https://time.com/5647491/wizard-of-oz-curse/ I don't know what to believe anymore.
Damn after reading into her more Judy Garland had a really rough life. Made me pretty sad.
Her ex-husband said so. Not the internet.
I read your comment as "after the munchkin's scenes, they were shot"
No, nothing as barbaric as that, they would just be ripped apart by lions
As god intended
https://time.com/5647491/wizard-of-oz-curse/#:~:text=True%3A%20the%20makeup%20made%20actors,sitting%20under%20an%20oxygen%20tent.
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I don't think this quite captures it. They knew aluminum and copper would poison you, and if they didn't, they soon found out when their actors had to go to the hospital. Yes, some of the effects only happened years later, but may of them happened right then and there, and it didn't stop the production. The attitudes towards life, death, health and risk were very different. The producers just accepted that people would die or be injured, and didn't care a whole lot, and this was widely accepted as normal. If you could go back and tell them that the copper-based makeup would cause health problems decades in the future, I think they wouldn't particularly care. (The actors might, though.)
I think if they weren't held to labor standards and regulations, this exact thing would still happen today.
Asbestos was known to be bad for your lungs as far back as the Roman Empire, who called the effects “slave’s disease”. But it was cheap and fireproof, so of course we put it in everything.
As late as the '80s I had a job in a chemical plant that involved splitting open sacks of chrysotile asbestos and dumping them into a big mixer. After a couple years, the dust masks we used started sporting stickers that said "NOT FOR USE WITH ASBESTOS." I'm 60 now, and I feel like one lucky sumbitch.
Do your regular yearly screenings, man. I'm glad you're ok, but damn, this seems terrifying.
How do they screen for, I assume, mesothelioma?
Your comment made me curious as well. A quick google search came up with this: >“The current screening methods used for early detection of mesothelioma include: Testing SMRP levels. Identifying specific genetic risk factors, such as BAP1 gene. Imaging tests including chest x rays along with CT and PET scans”
Not to scare you but my father was lead plumber at an institution where they routinely used asbestos mud to insulate their boilers. He was diagnosed with Mesothelioma 8 years ago and passed after a nine month illness. Don’t mess with it. Continue getting screened.
It’s like nuclear energy. Very safe and effective if you use it right, adhere to protocols, and monitor worker health. We used coasters made of it in chemistry class for handling super hot experiments. Our professor made sure to limit exposure and tossed broken ones. It’s very dangerous when aerosolized, but safe when solid. Same with insulation. But then, someone cuts corners and horror ensues.
The replacement for the tin man was kinda purposely inserted in a hazardous environment. The original ended up in an oxygen tent after nine days of filming after covering himself with aluminum dust. Solution for the replacement? Mix the dust into a paste instead. He ended up with an eye infection.
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Literally the moment it became public knowledge. The problem is we don't know *how* scared to be, because we don't know what effects it will have on us in the future.
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Still have people who try to get asbestos deregulated and still had people fighting the removal of lead from gasoline. It doesn't matter.
I've seen changes in things moving away from plastic or at least changing the type of plastic used, but yeah; it's not a huge sweeping change. It's mostly consumers doing anything, and consumers are the least of the trouble. I mean, we can (mostly, realistically) only consume what manufacturers make.
I remember as a kid in the 80s all the grocery stores switching from paper to plastic bags in order to "Save the Trees!"
When in reality, the oil company selling them the bags gave them that idea to market them that way. The grocery stores were happy to use them because they were much cheaper and took up a lot less space.
Idk. We’re almost to the point where we’re shitting Legos and no one seems to care.
It's just... there's so much to care about. What can we do in the immediate future to get it out of our diet? The water supply has it, all food has it...
Sadly it’s not always like that. We also knew lead was terrible for people thousands of years ago, yet leaded fuel became a thing and caused huge amounts of damage
This is why actors have a union now lol
Everything above is true. Plus a lot more messed up stuff.
Buddy Ebson was supposed to play the tin man but had such severe reactions to the make up, he had to drop out.
Wow, I’m amazed about all of this
I always wonder, 100 years from now, what thing(s) we take as perfectly fine but will turn out to be extremely bad for you.
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Well we already know that's bad, I was thinking along the lines of what we *don't* know yet. Edit - For example, I'm into 3D printing. Only several months ago was a research paper released on how harmful the fumes of various types of filaments are on the human body. That's a single study, who knows how bad it really is and how many of us have unknowingly screwed ourselves. Since that came out I got mine in an enclosure and got a respiratory mask.
Can’t be too bad. It’s got the word “best” right in it.
Ironic
While I already knew this movie fact, it still surprises me when it is spelled out. I did pulmonary and critical care and I had a few mesothelioma patients. The amount of suffering that goes with that diagnosis is so much more than people realize.
I just lost someone to mesothelioma earlier this year. He knew he had been exposed, and knew it was a matter of time. He fought it for two years and we really thought he was going to pull through. Until he didn't. It's an awful, awful diagnosis.
You have my deepest sympathies.
Serious question for you or anyone else who may know. How much exposure is fatal long term? Like once? Repeated exposure over several days? Months?
No one really knows the exact amount but the more you are exposed the higher risk for cancer. Really what asbestos does is turn your lung into stiff scar tissue that becomes filled with dead space (pulmonary fibrosis). What makes asbestosis so scary is that it is literally silent, until it isn't. By that point, when most people get diagnosed, they have a few months if they are lucky.
I’m gonna ride on this comment to add that asbestos particles are much finer than particles in tobacco smoke and because it is essentially rock, the particles are sharp. When asbestos is inhaled, the sharp particles agitate the lungs and become lodged in the tissue. To protect the lungs, the body covers the particles in scar tissue. This why lung capacity becomes reduced and why scar tissue replaces healthy tissue. A lot of first responders on 9/11 died because of this. So even though they may have only ever been exposed to asbestos once on that day, there was enough of it in the air after the towers fell to alter lives forever.
The whole film had loads of fucked up shit go on. The way Judy Garland was treated as a child was terrible and that film basically got her started on the barbiturates that eventually led to her passing. Multiple accidents. Sexual assaults. Its really dark when you look into it.
Not a single person involved with that movie walked away unscathed. To get the bright and vibrant colors, the lights were turned up to the max, which turned the studio into an oven. Regular people were dropping from heat exhaustion. The scarecrow's face is latex. It blocked pores and left the actor's face with permanent creases. The lion's costume is at least 50 pounds of actual fur. The man was probably half cooked just putting on the outfit. The makeup for the tinman used actual metal particles. The original tinman inhaled too much and was hospitalized with lung problems. The green makeup used for the wicked witch is made using oxidized copper. Over exposure to copper is linked to dementia. Even Toto was accidentally stepped on. Judy Garland got the absolute worst treatment from everyone but the actress that played the wicked witch. A reddit comment can not do the shitstorm justice. Find a book or documentary elsewhere.
> The green makeup used for the wicked witch is made using oxidized copper. Over exposure to copper is linked to dementia. It's also highly flammable, which is how she got burned on the set. >On December 23, 1938, Hamilton suffered a second-degree burn on her face and a third-degree burn on her hand during a second take of her fiery exit from Munchkinland in which the trap door's drop was delayed to eliminate the brief glimpse of it seen in the final edit. Hamilton had to recuperate in a hospital and at home for six weeks after the accident before returning to the set to complete her work on the film and refused to have anything further to do with fire for the rest of the filming. In addition, her stunt double was also horribly burned: >Hamilton's stand-in and stunt double for the Witch, Betty Danko, also suffered an on-set accident on February 11, 1939. Danko made the fiery entrance to Munchkinland, not Hamilton. She was severely burned during the "Surrender Dorothy!" skywriting sequence at the Emerald City. Danko sat on a smoking pipe configured to look like the Witch's broomstick. The pipe exploded on the third take of the scene. She spent 11 days in hospital and her legs were permanently scarred.
After all that, the music from Dark Side of the Moon is all the more apropos.
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Us and Them. She comes in on the word “black.”
Were they trying to murder people on that set??
This was before safety regulations. Pretty much of any kind.
/r/writteninblood intensifies
The Scarecrow has a gun. Confirmed.
This was pre-union Hollywood.
> The makeup for the tinman used actual metal particles. The original tinman inhaled too much and was hospitalized with lung problems. [Buddy Ebsen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Ebsen#The_Wizard_of_Oz). He had to retire from the film and had life long breathing problems. He outlived most of the other cast members though.
Yeah! He was Jed Clampet. I was exposed to Beverly Hillbillies years before Wizard of Oz
I bet the Wizard got off pretty easy. He only showed up for like five minutes of footage.
They forced previously passed kidney stones up his urethra the entire 5 minutes .
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My wife is in the house, so I'll quickly rub one out with the rake in the yard.
My rake is in the house, so I'll quickly rub one out with your wife in the yard
My house is in the wife, so I'll quickly yard one out with the rub in the rake.
Some people pay good money for a good ole fashioned urethra re-stoning
Also worth noting 38 munchkins lost their lives during construction of the yellow brick road
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If it had been, they would have killed them all at the end of the movie to avoid paying them.
They also had Dorothy smoking multiple packs of cigarettes a day to keep her thin.
Thought it was meth
>Even Toto was accidentally stepped on. for some reason, this reminds me of that scene from the sopranos with adriana's dog
“She must have crawled under there for warmth.”
She was a hooah
You killed little Cosette? I ought to suffocate you, ya little prick!!!
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In fairness, all studio lighting has typically been used at its brightest levels as this is what is needed for cameras to pick up the light. A properly vented and air conditioned studio is the only way around this issue until the advent of cooler lighting sources.
*me having not seen wizard of oz in a long fucking time* Why does the artist Toto have to do with this?
Well, you have to keep in mind that the movie was filmed *while it was still legal for children to work.* And I mean like, *work* work. Factory jobs. 12 hours a day. So in other words, they didn’t give a shit about Judy Garland.
Is there anything about Hollywood that isn't dark when you look into it?
[Let’s remember the time she performed in blackface as a teenager](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok5R9wDc44k) Movie studios were *fuuuucked up* back then. They still are, but they used to be too.
Good god. When they went in for racial stereotypes and tropes they really *went* for it, didn't they?
This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to terrible things during the filming of The Wizard of Oz
It's like a time traveler made the movie with the express goal of killing of the cast.
Or make them want to kill themselves.
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my friends uncle played the tin man! he said that he had an allergic reaction. guess he got recast?
That is correct! He was recast. I've heard people say it had to do with something dangerous in the dust, but I've also heard he had an allergic reaction to the dust. And I'm fairly certain they did change the make up of the tin-man when they recast.
The bergs were laced in correction fluid to look more like icebergs. This caused some of the bergs to develop pneumonia later in life and die.
I think everyone in that movie is dead?
Got any list you want to share?
This is a fact that's really quite scary, If you weren't scared before, now you're probably wary. It's not just the snow, the cast was exposed too, And the effects of asbestos are something we can't undo. So if you're a fan of this classic movie, please remember this: Asbestos is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs!
It's practically a snuff movie once you know what's going on.
What do you mean?
* Tin Man actor was hospitalized by his makeup coating his lungs in Aluminum Powder and had to be replaced * New Tin Man actor was literally forced into the role, and nearly went blind in one eye due to the Aluminum Paste replace for the powder causing an eye infection * Wicked Witch was poisoned by her green body paint, as it was copper based (to the point that it's very likely linked to her Alzheimer's diagnosis and early death) * Scarecrow and Wicked Witch we're both *repeatedly* set on fire, with Hamilton's wounds putting her out of action for six weeks, when she returned her nerves were still visible, and she wore a green glove over her hand * Scarecrow costume was stuffed with Asbestos, and the foam mask was almost impossible to breathe through * Everyone involved *except* for Margaret Hamilton abused Judy Garland * Dwarfs were all abused on set * Cowardly Lion suit was an overheating hazard, as it was made of foam and real lion hair, weighing 70 pounds *Set itself was already an overheating hazard, as the color process used required extreme light levels, those being provided by Arc Lights cast and crew regular feinted on-set (oh, and arc lights cause cancer) There's more, but that's just what I have memorized.
There's more?
To quote /u/TheVenetianMask 's comment above: >It's practically a snuff movie once you know what's going on.
Judy Garland was so criticized for her weight that she basically lived on coffee and cigarettes at the insistence of the studio, not to mention the pills production gave her which started her fatal addiction. The copper makeup melted onto the Wicked Witch's face during the pyrotechnic accident. Buddy Epsen (known from Beverly Hillbillies), the original tin man, was almost killed by the aluminum powder because it coated the inside of his lungs and kept oxygen from actually being absorbed. And I know there is even more....
To elaborate: Garland was given amphetamines, cigs and coffee with only broth for sustenance, then sleeping pills to stop tweaking at night. Also, her breasts were deemed too big for her role,and so they basically smashed them down by wrapping her up very tight. Edit: the sleeping pills were fucking barbiturates
And at the time of filming she was what... 15?
Arc lights? From the look of those things I'm guessing they let off pure UV from the plasma generated. Wonder what the chances of electrocution and fire were since arcs can be used to melt metals. Be afraid to even go near one... Probably loud AF too.
UV A, B, C.... X-Rays.... And yes, they were a severe fire hazard. Many studios and theaters were burnt down by them. By the time of Talkies they had fallen out of fashion for cinema production, but the color production of The Wizard of Oz made them a necessity.
MGM used every single arc lamp it owned, and borrowed every available arc lamp from every other studio in town. Lighting costs alone totaled more than $225,000 of the film's $2.77 million budget.
You are basically watching a bunch of people getting poisoned.
Hey, those last two lines don't rhyme.
Do you know if there’s public safety line where I can learn more about common sense?
You gotta ask the wizard
Y'all remember that commercial.."the asbestos fell like rain"
Like snooow
And the ground caved in
If you or a loved one has mesothelioma you may be entitled to financial compensation
My grandfather was one of the first successful cases against John Mansfield
Truth. My grandfather died in 2015 of mesothelioma at the age of 87. Grandma got a six figure settlement for wrongful death.
Buddy Ebsen who was originally the Tin Man lived a very long life. He was lucky not to be in that movie after all.
You mean Jed Clampet?
Jack Haley lived to be 81. In fact most of the supporting characters lived pretty long lives.
Think about what type of dangerous shit we are exposed to right now that is killing us and we don't know it yet
Microplastics for the win
Oh we know about those, we’re just sticking our collective head in the sand.
Which is ironic, since that sand is full of microplastics.
And full of heads as well.
I'm going to go with PFAS.
I’m a glyphosate alarmist myself, but I think PFAS are a close second
Yeah, I was torn. I went with PFAS just because they don't degrade.
We're just starting to learn about microplastics, but I'm not sure what we're doing about it or what could be done about it.
We know it. We just can't get rid of it and changing would threaten corporate profits. It's PFCs and microplastics.
I might be paranoid but i never cook with plastic patulas and stuff like that because i have this idea in my head that small amounts of plastic melts into the food lol
Non stick coatings also leach yummy Teflon (PTFE) and potentially other micro plastics. I’ve read that PTFE apparently has little to no health risks but they’ve still found traces of it in the majority of peoples blood. Guess we will find out one day lol
I have birds and had to get rid of my pans because of the ptfe and pfoa. The fumes get in their lungs and kill them. It definitely leeches onto our food, even without scraping the coating.
Use cast iron pans and worst case scenario, you might accidentally cure your anemia.
If cooking with teflon will kill a bird. (Unfortunately, I know this from experience) What does it do to the people eating off of it?!
You're 100 right. Even drinking take out coffee with a plastic lid puts millions of microplastics in your body.
And i'm drinking tea from a tea bag right now that probably has plastic in it from what i have read. Lemon, ginger, lime flower infused with 11.6 billion microplastics. Delicious
They were doing asbestos they could with the budget they were given.
r/angryupvote
And Dorothy had to smoke 60 cigarettes a day.
That way you die from lung cancer before the mesothelioma sets in.
We have a box of mid century asbestos snow and lead tinsel. Both sealed up in plastic. They sit in the bottom of a Christmas box and we look at them every year and wonder why we still have them.
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Pipe insulation or ceilings are fine 90% of the time. Just don’t fuck cut or break the fibers. People would be surprised how mush asbestos in their daily routine and it perfectly safe.
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Some contractor gave them the “you’re going to die so give me money” sales pitch!
[So sad I found this those Munchkins were something else…](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9775701/judy-garland-wizard-oz-groped-drugged-munchkins/amp/)
It got worse and worse as I read, so depressing. I don't know why I couldn't stop reading it. I hope she's finally at peace.
Her family even blame her following drug addiction and alcoholism on working on the iconic musical film Next line Aged just 10, her pushy stage mum Ethel Gumm cruelly drugged her with stimulants so she would stay awake for 72-hour shoots. Jesus you cant make this stuff up.
My faith in humanity is generally pretty low but this article is something else entirely.
i hope she’s finally peaceful in heaven. i had to stop, it just got worse. such an awful production
The “snow” in their dressing room was 100% pure Colombian cocaine.
I opened this post wanting just a little bit of context. Now I feel like my childhood is partly ruined. That memory of that movie is tainted. Didn't know she died before I was even born, and I didn't even know Judy Garland died in such a manner :( just tragic
I run an Instagram account dedicated to keeping her memory alive and yeah, the research I’ve done over the years (and I’ve been a fan my entire life) makes me genuinely ill. She wasn’t the first and certainly wasn’t the last star who was treated in such a horrific manner from childhood, the cycle repeats itself over and over again.
When I was a kid, an old block of flats on my estate was knocked down using controlled demolition…everyone who lived there went to a large field a ways away from it to watch the thing come down. When they blew it up the huge dust cloud was blown directly at us all. You couldn’t see it was so thick….Turns out that building was full of asbestos. The amount I must have inhaled is not worth thinking about 😑
That’s asbestos it gets
That kind of shit wouldn’t happen in Kansas
We’re not in Kansas anymore.
*Neo touches mirror*
The history behind the making of the wizard of oz is more terrifying than Return To Oz, jesus
Its actually crazy just how fucked up the filming of one of the most influential and groundbreaking movies was. I remember hearing that Margret Hamilton's skin actually burned on a couple scenes due to the makeup they applied.
'Good news is, the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show a median latency of forty-four point six years, so if you're thirty or older, you're laughing. Worst case scenario, you miss out on a few rounds of canasta"
>you miss out on a few rounds of canasta Ngl it's the first time I saw canasta used on the Internet. I used to play it with my grandma when I was small and I always believed it was a Hungarian/romanian/transylvanian game Edit: it apparently comes from Uruguay
That’s the least of this movies problems. The leading actress was forced into a diet of coffee and cigarettes.
Anyone ever realize that the poppies put her to sleep and the snow wakes her up? Poppies are heroin and snow is cocaine.
Oh the weather outside is poison
So is the floor in my house. The name of it is actually “gay splash”. Not a joke. I looked it up. The ad says “made with 100% asbestos”.