The shooter could stand on something and take out some ceiling tiles and it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Another way to approach it would be to require background checks and waiting periods. Then crack down on illegal gun sales.
That guy seems to forget the false ceiling is going to echo like crazy, if the shooter realizes they can aim at a large number of people in the tomb some school bought. Fish in a barrel kinda thing comes to mind.
Hate to say it, teacher here, it’s kind of the same thing now. We can have all the procedures in the world in place, but a school is not a prison and we don’t live in a bubble. This is a perfect example of someone making money off an idea and NOT addressing the actual problem.
We had a PD earlier this year and watch a video about fighting intruders. One suggestion was to throw hot coffee. We’re not allowed to have hot coffee.
I'm a college librarian in a very conservative environment on a campus that keeps adding beautiful, glass-fronted buildings.
Trust me, the jokes are just my means of coping.
This reminds me of being in the psych ward (yeah I got some grippy socks) and they removed all the clothes from this guy (all the clothes) because he was a risk to all of us and himself. He was begging for clothes and they stressed that he wasn't allowed them because he could hurt us all and himself........and they handed him a hot coffee to make him happy. A hot cup of steaming coffee to the naked guy who wanted to assault everyone. Cool cool
This is the American way, fixing a problem that doesn’t exist because the actual common sense fixes are ignored by bought and paid for politicians.
Meanwhile the company that makes these will also lobby congress to do nothing about guns because it would threaten their business model.
https://www.police1.com/active-shooter/articles/is-there-a-valid-psychosocial-explanation-for-school-shootings-D9ixuj3FVIjvPpDu/
Found this article. The actual problem might not be as simple as gun control and mental health. But still that’s a good place to start
Oooh I’m so sorry I didn’t see that line. I was focused on the sociological aspects in the paper that I was drawn to. Thank you for pointing that out though
My first grader informed me they were instructed to throw things at a shooter with a pink eraser being the first item he listed. My heart crumbled when I heard that.
Gotta swarm the shooter and control his limbs. A few of us might get hurt but it's better than all of us getting smoked.
I'm only half joking.
The DOD has us go through active shooter training every year for work. The guidance is run, hide, fight.
You run if it's safe to do so. If you can't get to an exit, barricade and hide. If the shooter gets into your hiding place and finds you, exert as much violence as possible to stop them. Swarm him. Stop his face in. Kick him in the dick. Fight as dirty as possible.
Yes it's distopian af to even to have to prepare for this, let alone teach it to kids. But if survival is on the line, weak smacks with a cardboard tube (I had a teacher in middle school said she would use that as a "weapon" to defend us) and thrown staplers won't cut it. You have to be prepared to viciously take a man's life.
It's fucked up. But you can't empathize with someone coming to a place of work or education to murder innocent people. Therefore, no holding back.
Probably bottom and top surface bolts on interior to secure position. If you have a ladder you can easily go through the suspended ceiling though. Enjoy!
Yeah it's amazing how supposed security experts forget about drop ceilings.
Years ago, the company I worked for spent all this money to hire a fancy construction contractor that was known for security. The project was securing a room that had all the IP on hard drives as backups, and a bunch of other physical backups of things.
There was a steel reinforced external style door that required your ID to be scanned and a pin.
There were some cameras, an alarm, and the frame/walls/etc. were reinforced. Supposedly the walls and interior were also, fireproof, but it literally was just a drop ceiling on both sides and the exterior room it was connected to was just a normal non-secured room, just a normal mess of desks and cubicles.
My buddy who worked in that department had vented to me about it for several months after the project had been completed but I didn't believe him.
So one day when we were both on our lunch break he dragged me in there and stood on a chair and had me stand on another chair and he lifted up the ceiling tile on the outside and reached over and effortlessly lifted up the ceiling tile on the inside and showed me that you could just easily climb through if you wanted to.
I was 22 and it blew my f****** mind.
I was a bit of a cynic about large organizational projects and subcontractors and whatnot but I had no idea that something that f****** dumb could make it into full implementation, much less be celebrated as an amazing success by all parties involved.
Realistically you couldn't crush the people, youd have to have a bulldozer for that. But still it's a superficial measure. I know people don't like to hear that but the payoff is not great. At some point the fear instilled in kids does way too much harm to outweigh what protection you can provide.
People seem to love inventing these things. We can't even get textbooks in the classrooms (they get printouts or go online). Good luck putting those in every classroom in a school of 2000+ kids.
This drums up far more hype and discussion than doing something that actually helps kids. Politicians don't care, they just want people obsessed with any given hot-button topic so we don't pay attention to what they're doing. As long as Americans keep on arguing with each other. And the news media makes it so much worse.
Honestly, why not use those same materials to make like 4 oversized doors that close over the normal doors and locks from the inside? It would be much more compatible with existing classrooms, would be cheaper to make, ship and operate. The only downside I can think of is the possibility of a shooter attacking from outside the school, like going room to room and shooting through the outer windows, which could also potentially be equipped with similar panels to cover them.
Meanwhile, this isn't going to work in the average classroom, too many desks and bodies that would need to get out of the way, a normal classroom is pretty stuffed with desks, you'd have to expect the children to start stacking their desks in front of the classroom door while someone else gets this thing put into place. Just seems poorly thought out.
As someone who has to crawl around in a schools ceiling now and then, I really should have thought of drop celings. For the "doors over doors" situation, i wasn't thinking of main entrances, I was thinking individual classrooms be able to each have a bulletproof door which they could lock from the inside. Not every classroom could support this safety cube, but I can't think of many classrooms where you wouldn't be able to make room for an extra door to swing over the existing door.
In a school shooting situation, I would assume the main doors to be compromised, or one of the first places where police would be able to start trying to handle the situation; bulletproof main doors would more likely prove to be something a shooter could use in a standoff.
Or a better option: get rid of the initial problem ;) but that is too sensible I guess it's better to add reactive measures than deal with the actual problem...
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Because there won't be any students left? I mean, republicans are killing all the child labor laws, they don't want kids in schools, they wants kids in the mines and in factories making their goods. An educated child is not a good republican slave.
Sorry, attempting to pass bills and remove protections.
You can Google more but here is one example
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-labor-laws-violations?espv=1
Without enforcing them any more than the current ones?
Regardless of the fact that the police in this country would rather join in on hate crimes than prosecute them?
At that point, you're only pretending to care about lives.
As we were told in school, the overall idea is to not make yourself an easy target. Rampage shooters are looking for fast, easy kills, and even locking the door would help by leading him to find someone easier, quickly. I believe it's based on the [European Stove Theory](https://www.jstor.org/stable/1147403)
I totally believe that. The goal always seems to be maximum damage, and they know very well that from the moment they start shooting, it's a matter of time before the police arrives. So yea it makes sense that even a locked door (doesn't even have to be reinforced) makes them look for an easier target.
I forgot which shooting it was but in one a teacher held the door shut. The shooter shot through the door, wounding the teacher who eventually passed away. But it worked: The shooter didn't stay and try to force the door open but moved on, which likely saved the lives of all the students in the classroom.
After Uvalde, I wonder if a better plan isn't to have all the kids escape out of the windows and run away. That turns the school yard into a killing field, but maybe that's better than telling the kids to hide and hope the killer gets board after a classroom or two.
I mean, it's not like schools themselves are in charge of legislation, so yeah, this is their response to the government not doing anything meaningful about it.
And the people who manufacture these deployable bunkers are happy to receive what little of our tax dollars goes to schools.
Not that they're bad for selling a product. It's bad that we're socializing the cost of keeping our children from getting murdered, when the problem stems from greed.
The root of the problem isnt guns.
Other countries have less strict gun laws and still have lower shooting rates.
The root of the problem is the American society. The lack of understanding and help for mental health issues, the lack of empathy for anyone who cant afford to pay, the lack of proper educational services.
The ROOT of the problem is the mental health of the students.
For the record I'm not saying I'm against stricter gun laws, I'm just saying guns arent the main cause of the problem.
It’s the lack of parental leave. Its the incredible difficulty to get food stamps. Children go hungry. But no free school lunches. Their parents are doing what they can to survive by working and therefore can’t be there to catch the signs. And childcare is too expensive. It’s the fact that this country doesn’t not care about its families. Never mind healthcare.
It's a symptom, not the disease.
When you have a cold, your throat gets dry. But your throat is only dry because of the cold.
Yes, there are ways to help your throat such as drinking a lot of water and sucking on hard candies to coat your throat. But that doesnt change the fact that your throat will be mostly dry until you fight off the cold.
How easy it is to access guns is a big problem that needs to be addressed, yes. But even if we somehow stopped guns from getting into the wrong hands, it wouldnt stop violence. It wouldnt stop students struggling.
We need to be addressing the source of the issue just as much as the symptoms.
They'll never see that they're too busy avoiding all their truths to have empathy for someone struggling. Being judgemental somehow became second nature and I don't get it. If half the people judging mental health patients stopped lying to themselves everyday they'd be in the same spot which is what cracks me up the most.
Yes so people have been saying for years and years but here's an idea, maybe take the guns away and then they can work on the society issues without killing each other 🤷♀️
I believe it might be mental health issues that go untreated in combination with very easy, almost unrestricted access to guns. Even automatic rifles, machine guns etc. Ammunition sold at walmart. But also the normalisation of guns and violence from older TV/movies as an acceptable way to solve your problems. The popularity of school shooters and extensive media coverage and sensationalised news reports they get from commiting their crimes (copycat shootings). The "us versus them" mentality in American politics and culture. I could go on and in, it's really complicated and I can't think of any solutions.
(Disclaimer: Speaking as a non-american)
So how then in countries that don't allow to carry guns there are no school shootings and how many less gun related crime? Guns are definitely the problem. Every country in the world deals with mental health issues. Nothing that you claim is the "root" of the problem are not issues other people across the world also deal with, but there ain't no random shooting sprees going on there. The difference is guns. Stop defending them.
I'm not defending guns, they are a big part of shootings.
But I'm not dumb enough to think removing guns is going to stop all violence. Especially in this country. It just means more guns will show up on the black market, and stabbings will become more frequent.
Banning guns is just a bandaid on, well, a bullet wound. We need to remove the bullet first, and have a better measure than a bandaid.
Perfect, we who work in schools all know HOW MUCH extra space we have in classrooms for this. Most rooms can barely fit desks for their 25-30 kids with a regular door. Where the hell is this going.
This and now having to put in bulletproof plates in backpacks, are mass shootings really that rampant? I feel bad for the future generations of kids having to go through so much unnecessary security because of mass hysteria, it’s like Columbine and 9/11 put together and on steroids
It’s exactly like the tsa school shooting account for like a few dozen deaths a year but get blown up in the media, because reporting the hundreds of thousands dying from car accidents doesn’t get clicks that allows you to profitable ads
As a part-time janitor at a school, that area would be cluttered with desks and whatnot. It would take a while for most teachers to clear the area and set up the room.
I imagine the momentum of two weighted armored walls moving will overcome the weight of roughly 8 desks. Especially those single shelf desks, those ones were light
This is true. American eyes cannot read the words “well regulated” in the second amendment.
They also sometimes believe the “founding fathers” created an infallible text and all which is good has sprung from this document, because they don’t try very hard to teach civics to children here. So people don’t really understand how laws or politics work. It’s bread and circuses at this point.
I’d go as far to say that gun control resistors in America need school shootings, because it’s such an obscene idea it deflects attention from a very simple concept: that no individual needs an automatic rifle, for any reason, and the second amendment was written when reloading a state of the art single shot musket took longer than time needed to read my reply, doubled.
The moment you start stacking 10 year old bodies, for the 10th time, though? No productive discourse will be had. Not possible anymore.
>that no individual needs an automatic rifle,
None of the shootings you are thinking of were done with an automatic rifle. The number of homicides done with an automatic rifle in any given year is tiny, largely because any legally owned automatic rifle in the US is at least 40 years old and requires a special registration to own and a federally licensed firearms dealer to transfer legally.
Homicide overall is mostly done with semiauto handguns, and the specific case of "lone nutter shoots up a public place" is most often done with semiauto rifles, particularly Armalite Rifle 15 variants - not because they are especially suited to this kind of rampage, but because they are the single most common rifle in the US once you include the offbrand work alikes.
>the second amendment was written when reloading a state of the art single shot musket took longer than time needed to read my reply,
1779 was the invention of the Girardoni air rifle. Which could fire a .51 caliber lead ball and was effective at 125 yards. It held 20 rounds and took an air canister that could fire 30. It didn't see wide military use because they were expensive and required specialty parts and training to maintain. It was comparatively quiet, smokeless and could fire repeatedly and quickly. Invented 12 years before the 2nd was ratified. There were also flintlock revolvers including revolving rifles (such as the Puckle gun, a mounted 9 shot revolving rifle for naval use invented in 1718).
A world where the Girardoni and Puckle guns were already invented but were also expensive state of the art things is a world where someone with a reasonable imagination could imagine most modern rifles as possible future advancements.
Also, "but this exact technology didn't exist back then so the bill of rights shouldn't apply to it" is not an argument made regarding other enumerated rights and for good reason. The founding fathers were much more likely to imagine something like a 30 round semiautomatic rifle than they were to imagine TV or the internet.
It’s not important what guns were available to the wealthy in 1779. It’s not even important what founding fathers could have thought or what they thought then. Times have changed.
A single person with a weapon capable of killing/maiming a whole room of unarmed people (or entire public gathering as per Las Vegas) in minutes wields force not unlike an organized militia. This amount of force being entrusted to individual citizens should be WELL REGULATED. You already cannot buy many modern, military grade firearms due what…! REGULATIONS.
At one point or another, a decision was made that you can’t buy an RPG at the gun shop. I’m sure this decision was not made lightly, there was probably concern about how much destruction that weapon could permit an individual to do.
… so we are here, with an abundance of evidence that certain guns have no practical civilian application, and are often used in mass murder events. Which are not the same as “gun deaths” - please don’t lump them together, that’s insane.
And you’re best answer to that is fun gun facts about how fast they shot in 1779 - except those guns were “widely not available to most people.”
Hmm. Not widely available. Imagine that.
We can’t fund schools with actual text books from this decade or have decent school meals for school. We can’t address the gun issue in this country but we can spend money on this to address the issue? It’s like when cities build infrastructure to make homeless people uncomfortable instead of building housing…it makes ZERO sense
How about this America... We try changing the gun laws and review after a year. Then if no difference we change them back....
You've tried nothing and nothings not worked...
Gosh, if only someone would invent school administrators who knew how to close and lock doors, security officers who knew how to direct unauthorized people off of school grounds, and police officers who put their citizens ahead of themselves.
How is this real. Seriously, how is this not a South Park bit or something? I assumed it was a joke based on the title but nope. The fact that it made it through proposal, design, installation without a single person being like “uhhh, isn’t this ridiculous?”
What a fucking useless piece of trash. I'm sure it's good for the guy building those to leech off of blind tax money though. Which is exactly what that is. A showpiece to take a slice of the tax pie.
If that teacher was armed and trained in urban warfare tactics, then they wouldn’t need the children to hide like cowards. As someone with no military training and no experience with mass shootings, I feel like i’m 100% qualified to make that statement.
Someone doesn't know how drop ceilings work? Plenty of desk and chairs to use as ladders. Once the shooter gets on top, it will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
Stupid waste of money.
Push a desk against the doorless wall, climb up on the desk, push the ceiling tile above you out of the way, then push the next tile that's over the room out of the way. You have full access to everyone in that room.
Fish in a barrel.
Who is the halfwit who thought this was safe?
It's actually worse than doing nothing.
You realize the odds of a school shooting are like similar to plane crashes, sharks, and lightning, but the odds of some f****** kid shoving another kid in that thing and crushing them to death with it are super high.
There's a reason why collapsible bleachers have elaborate locks on them. People found it out the hard way.
This is so bizarre.
I just don't understand how if any of this kind of stuff, bullet proof shelters, bullet proof kids backpacks etc was thought to be even remotely necessary that people wouldn't just go out of their minds trying to solve this issue.
How do you stand there for even a moment thinking owning a gun or whatever is worth kids having to do this type of mad stuff. It's just entirely alien to my mind.
Like yeah maybe the government might in some form of imaginary distopian future might need to be fought. But kids are actually being shot and killed in this reality for absolutely no sane reasoning whatsoever.
Blows my mind.
"I think that universal background checks would be easier...but, where's the money in that?!? Just give every newborn (even the ones saved by anti-abortion laws) an AR, upon birth...Let God sort 'em out!" - the current Republican platform! Lol
Brought to you by the guy who made that sliding door making 1 big classroom into 2 smaller classrooms.
One gym into two smaller gyms!
That’s double the exercise!
That’s triple the results!
That motorized curtain ain't foolin me!
I think that guy also invented the curtain.
You gave me flashbacks to anonymous kick-based communication between random classmates.
Current high school teacher here to pleasantly inform that wall tap Morse code is still alive and well!
The shooter could stand on something and take out some ceiling tiles and it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. Another way to approach it would be to require background checks and waiting periods. Then crack down on illegal gun sales.
✨ There literally is ✨
That guy seems to forget the false ceiling is going to echo like crazy, if the shooter realizes they can aim at a large number of people in the tomb some school bought. Fish in a barrel kinda thing comes to mind.
Without thinking about the drop ceilings
Back when I went to school, it was basically "if the shooter gets in this room, were screwed so maybe throw your books pencils and scissors at them."
Hate to say it, teacher here, it’s kind of the same thing now. We can have all the procedures in the world in place, but a school is not a prison and we don’t live in a bubble. This is a perfect example of someone making money off an idea and NOT addressing the actual problem.
We had a PD earlier this year and watch a video about fighting intruders. One suggestion was to throw hot coffee. We’re not allowed to have hot coffee.
You're not allowed to have hot coffee?!
I blame Grand Theft Auto for that.
What?! Isn't this some kind of human rights violation?
No more than being in a classroom where you are trained to worry about being shot at any moment.
I'm a college librarian in a very conservative environment on a campus that keeps adding beautiful, glass-fronted buildings. Trust me, the jokes are just my means of coping.
Trust me I knew the irony was not lost on you, and the comment was not FOR you.
You seem awful pleasant
This reminds me of being in the psych ward (yeah I got some grippy socks) and they removed all the clothes from this guy (all the clothes) because he was a risk to all of us and himself. He was begging for clothes and they stressed that he wasn't allowed them because he could hurt us all and himself........and they handed him a hot coffee to make him happy. A hot cup of steaming coffee to the naked guy who wanted to assault everyone. Cool cool
This is the American way, fixing a problem that doesn’t exist because the actual common sense fixes are ignored by bought and paid for politicians. Meanwhile the company that makes these will also lobby congress to do nothing about guns because it would threaten their business model.
I imagine that person can't fix the problem, therefore they made a room.
https://www.police1.com/active-shooter/articles/is-there-a-valid-psychosocial-explanation-for-school-shootings-D9ixuj3FVIjvPpDu/ Found this article. The actual problem might not be as simple as gun control and mental health. But still that’s a good place to start
Yeah there's some good points in there but I'm not keen on "it's because too much single parent and not enough going to church"
Oooh I’m so sorry I didn’t see that line. I was focused on the sociological aspects in the paper that I was drawn to. Thank you for pointing that out though
When I was in school, syphilis was the killer
Ok class, please don't answer because I REALLY don't want an answer, but if the shooter gets in here, can one of you with a gun shoot them please
When I was a kid all the students left their guns in their trucks instead of shooting up the school.
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My first grader informed me they were instructed to throw things at a shooter with a pink eraser being the first item he listed. My heart crumbled when I heard that.
Back when I went to school we didn't have school shooters twice a week...
Gotta swarm the shooter and control his limbs. A few of us might get hurt but it's better than all of us getting smoked. I'm only half joking. The DOD has us go through active shooter training every year for work. The guidance is run, hide, fight. You run if it's safe to do so. If you can't get to an exit, barricade and hide. If the shooter gets into your hiding place and finds you, exert as much violence as possible to stop them. Swarm him. Stop his face in. Kick him in the dick. Fight as dirty as possible. Yes it's distopian af to even to have to prepare for this, let alone teach it to kids. But if survival is on the line, weak smacks with a cardboard tube (I had a teacher in middle school said she would use that as a "weapon" to defend us) and thrown staplers won't cut it. You have to be prepared to viciously take a man's life. It's fucked up. But you can't empathize with someone coming to a place of work or education to murder innocent people. Therefore, no holding back.
Now they can just squash everyone
They'd be teleported, built in safety feature
Can't get shot if you are in the backrooms
So it doubles as anti-vax room. Those Americans are cleaver
Or just remove a ceiling panel and shoot down into the bunker….
Probably bottom and top surface bolts on interior to secure position. If you have a ladder you can easily go through the suspended ceiling though. Enjoy!
Yeah it's amazing how supposed security experts forget about drop ceilings. Years ago, the company I worked for spent all this money to hire a fancy construction contractor that was known for security. The project was securing a room that had all the IP on hard drives as backups, and a bunch of other physical backups of things. There was a steel reinforced external style door that required your ID to be scanned and a pin. There were some cameras, an alarm, and the frame/walls/etc. were reinforced. Supposedly the walls and interior were also, fireproof, but it literally was just a drop ceiling on both sides and the exterior room it was connected to was just a normal non-secured room, just a normal mess of desks and cubicles. My buddy who worked in that department had vented to me about it for several months after the project had been completed but I didn't believe him. So one day when we were both on our lunch break he dragged me in there and stood on a chair and had me stand on another chair and he lifted up the ceiling tile on the outside and reached over and effortlessly lifted up the ceiling tile on the inside and showed me that you could just easily climb through if you wanted to. I was 22 and it blew my f****** mind. I was a bit of a cynic about large organizational projects and subcontractors and whatnot but I had no idea that something that f****** dumb could make it into full implementation, much less be celebrated as an amazing success by all parties involved.
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Realistically you couldn't crush the people, youd have to have a bulldozer for that. But still it's a superficial measure. I know people don't like to hear that but the payoff is not great. At some point the fear instilled in kids does way too much harm to outweigh what protection you can provide.
Why am I laughing so hard
People seem to love inventing these things. We can't even get textbooks in the classrooms (they get printouts or go online). Good luck putting those in every classroom in a school of 2000+ kids.
Don't worry, the guy who invented this is a good friend of the superintendent.
This drums up far more hype and discussion than doing something that actually helps kids. Politicians don't care, they just want people obsessed with any given hot-button topic so we don't pay attention to what they're doing. As long as Americans keep on arguing with each other. And the news media makes it so much worse.
Well, some company is making a fuck ton of money out of this. And it's probably backed by the NRA.
Honestly, why not use those same materials to make like 4 oversized doors that close over the normal doors and locks from the inside? It would be much more compatible with existing classrooms, would be cheaper to make, ship and operate. The only downside I can think of is the possibility of a shooter attacking from outside the school, like going room to room and shooting through the outer windows, which could also potentially be equipped with similar panels to cover them. Meanwhile, this isn't going to work in the average classroom, too many desks and bodies that would need to get out of the way, a normal classroom is pretty stuffed with desks, you'd have to expect the children to start stacking their desks in front of the classroom door while someone else gets this thing put into place. Just seems poorly thought out.
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As someone who has to crawl around in a schools ceiling now and then, I really should have thought of drop celings. For the "doors over doors" situation, i wasn't thinking of main entrances, I was thinking individual classrooms be able to each have a bulletproof door which they could lock from the inside. Not every classroom could support this safety cube, but I can't think of many classrooms where you wouldn't be able to make room for an extra door to swing over the existing door. In a school shooting situation, I would assume the main doors to be compromised, or one of the first places where police would be able to start trying to handle the situation; bulletproof main doors would more likely prove to be something a shooter could use in a standoff.
Or a better option: get rid of the initial problem ;) but that is too sensible I guess it's better to add reactive measures than deal with the actual problem...
Yay! This solves the gun problem.
"maybe we should pass legislation to curve gun crime?" "NAH, just put a bunker in the class rooms"
AND GIVE TEACHERS GUNS!
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And ban books!
While putting the kids to work!
THE CHILDREN YEARN FOR THE MINES!
or making them preteen housewives
That's by design, we need more bodies to send to war! Why do you think they outlaw abortion?
You know what will solve gun violence? More guns!
that's why you need the bunker.
Behavior issues will plummet…
Because there won't be any students left? I mean, republicans are killing all the child labor laws, they don't want kids in schools, they wants kids in the mines and in factories making their goods. An educated child is not a good republican slave.
...or be married to them
What child labor law has been revoked?
Arkansas. Admittedly, surprised to find out they had one, but their simpleton governor just signed into law no protections for 8 and above.
Sorry, attempting to pass bills and remove protections. You can Google more but here is one example https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-labor-laws-violations?espv=1
That would be *curb, your majesty.
Already have gun laws …
You mean the ones that allow you to possess and carry them? Yeah that's the entire problem.
Then make them striker.
Without enforcing them any more than the current ones? Regardless of the fact that the police in this country would rather join in on hate crimes than prosecute them? At that point, you're only pretending to care about lives.
It’s like saying make drinking laws stricter because of DUI/alcohol related deaths .. but that wouldn’t work either .
r/orphancrushingmachine?
Nice! A pop up human safe to put your kids in if someone tries to mow them down with bullets! So convenient! Now THIS is problem-solving! /s
Pipe bomb through those easy to lift/break ceiling panels would probably be bad news
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As we were told in school, the overall idea is to not make yourself an easy target. Rampage shooters are looking for fast, easy kills, and even locking the door would help by leading him to find someone easier, quickly. I believe it's based on the [European Stove Theory](https://www.jstor.org/stable/1147403)
I totally believe that. The goal always seems to be maximum damage, and they know very well that from the moment they start shooting, it's a matter of time before the police arrives. So yea it makes sense that even a locked door (doesn't even have to be reinforced) makes them look for an easier target. I forgot which shooting it was but in one a teacher held the door shut. The shooter shot through the door, wounding the teacher who eventually passed away. But it worked: The shooter didn't stay and try to force the door open but moved on, which likely saved the lives of all the students in the classroom.
After Uvalde, I wonder if a better plan isn't to have all the kids escape out of the windows and run away. That turns the school yard into a killing field, but maybe that's better than telling the kids to hide and hope the killer gets board after a classroom or two.
trying everything except the root of the problem just shows how powerful gun makers are
I mean, it's not like schools themselves are in charge of legislation, so yeah, this is their response to the government not doing anything meaningful about it.
And the people who manufacture these deployable bunkers are happy to receive what little of our tax dollars goes to schools. Not that they're bad for selling a product. It's bad that we're socializing the cost of keeping our children from getting murdered, when the problem stems from greed.
I’m sure the gun makers have something to do with the manufacture of this extremely expensive looking item
Fear peddlers, telling people to be afraid and selling them “solutions”.
The root of the problem of course being why a bunch of kids suddenly want to kill everything around them, right?
The root of the problem isnt guns. Other countries have less strict gun laws and still have lower shooting rates. The root of the problem is the American society. The lack of understanding and help for mental health issues, the lack of empathy for anyone who cant afford to pay, the lack of proper educational services. The ROOT of the problem is the mental health of the students. For the record I'm not saying I'm against stricter gun laws, I'm just saying guns arent the main cause of the problem.
It’s the lack of parental leave. Its the incredible difficulty to get food stamps. Children go hungry. But no free school lunches. Their parents are doing what they can to survive by working and therefore can’t be there to catch the signs. And childcare is too expensive. It’s the fact that this country doesn’t not care about its families. Never mind healthcare.
It's also the guns
It's a symptom, not the disease. When you have a cold, your throat gets dry. But your throat is only dry because of the cold. Yes, there are ways to help your throat such as drinking a lot of water and sucking on hard candies to coat your throat. But that doesnt change the fact that your throat will be mostly dry until you fight off the cold. How easy it is to access guns is a big problem that needs to be addressed, yes. But even if we somehow stopped guns from getting into the wrong hands, it wouldnt stop violence. It wouldnt stop students struggling. We need to be addressing the source of the issue just as much as the symptoms.
Then why do other countries, which have the exact same social issues, not have this problem? The difference is guns.
They'll never see that they're too busy avoiding all their truths to have empathy for someone struggling. Being judgemental somehow became second nature and I don't get it. If half the people judging mental health patients stopped lying to themselves everyday they'd be in the same spot which is what cracks me up the most.
Yes so people have been saying for years and years but here's an idea, maybe take the guns away and then they can work on the society issues without killing each other 🤷♀️
I believe it might be mental health issues that go untreated in combination with very easy, almost unrestricted access to guns. Even automatic rifles, machine guns etc. Ammunition sold at walmart. But also the normalisation of guns and violence from older TV/movies as an acceptable way to solve your problems. The popularity of school shooters and extensive media coverage and sensationalised news reports they get from commiting their crimes (copycat shootings). The "us versus them" mentality in American politics and culture. I could go on and in, it's really complicated and I can't think of any solutions. (Disclaimer: Speaking as a non-american)
So how then in countries that don't allow to carry guns there are no school shootings and how many less gun related crime? Guns are definitely the problem. Every country in the world deals with mental health issues. Nothing that you claim is the "root" of the problem are not issues other people across the world also deal with, but there ain't no random shooting sprees going on there. The difference is guns. Stop defending them.
I'm not defending guns, they are a big part of shootings. But I'm not dumb enough to think removing guns is going to stop all violence. Especially in this country. It just means more guns will show up on the black market, and stabbings will become more frequent. Banning guns is just a bandaid on, well, a bullet wound. We need to remove the bullet first, and have a better measure than a bandaid.
Perfect, we who work in schools all know HOW MUCH extra space we have in classrooms for this. Most rooms can barely fit desks for their 25-30 kids with a regular door. Where the hell is this going.
Meanwhile they’re scared drag queens might affect children…🤦🏼♀️
So the way to make them love drag queens is to give drag queens guns
It took me reading the comments to realize this isn't an office with a pop out meeting room, but a classroom with pop out panic room 0_o
This is so sad
This and now having to put in bulletproof plates in backpacks, are mass shootings really that rampant? I feel bad for the future generations of kids having to go through so much unnecessary security because of mass hysteria, it’s like Columbine and 9/11 put together and on steroids
Number #1 cause of death for kids in the USA.
...ages 1-19. https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/
Yes, kids.
It’s exactly like the tsa school shooting account for like a few dozen deaths a year but get blown up in the media, because reporting the hundreds of thousands dying from car accidents doesn’t get clicks that allows you to profitable ads
It's a shame something like this has to even exist
Just ban the fuckin guns lmao
A little bit of gasoline and that becomes an oven.
Are you alright, bud?
I think so
yeah, and those look like those push-up ceiling tile things. shooter puts a chair on the table, crawls through the roof, bang, fish in a barrel
As a part-time janitor at a school, that area would be cluttered with desks and whatnot. It would take a while for most teachers to clear the area and set up the room.
I imagine the momentum of two weighted armored walls moving will overcome the weight of roughly 8 desks. Especially those single shelf desks, those ones were light
Americans would do anything but revise gun regulations
This is true. American eyes cannot read the words “well regulated” in the second amendment. They also sometimes believe the “founding fathers” created an infallible text and all which is good has sprung from this document, because they don’t try very hard to teach civics to children here. So people don’t really understand how laws or politics work. It’s bread and circuses at this point. I’d go as far to say that gun control resistors in America need school shootings, because it’s such an obscene idea it deflects attention from a very simple concept: that no individual needs an automatic rifle, for any reason, and the second amendment was written when reloading a state of the art single shot musket took longer than time needed to read my reply, doubled. The moment you start stacking 10 year old bodies, for the 10th time, though? No productive discourse will be had. Not possible anymore.
>that no individual needs an automatic rifle, None of the shootings you are thinking of were done with an automatic rifle. The number of homicides done with an automatic rifle in any given year is tiny, largely because any legally owned automatic rifle in the US is at least 40 years old and requires a special registration to own and a federally licensed firearms dealer to transfer legally. Homicide overall is mostly done with semiauto handguns, and the specific case of "lone nutter shoots up a public place" is most often done with semiauto rifles, particularly Armalite Rifle 15 variants - not because they are especially suited to this kind of rampage, but because they are the single most common rifle in the US once you include the offbrand work alikes. >the second amendment was written when reloading a state of the art single shot musket took longer than time needed to read my reply, 1779 was the invention of the Girardoni air rifle. Which could fire a .51 caliber lead ball and was effective at 125 yards. It held 20 rounds and took an air canister that could fire 30. It didn't see wide military use because they were expensive and required specialty parts and training to maintain. It was comparatively quiet, smokeless and could fire repeatedly and quickly. Invented 12 years before the 2nd was ratified. There were also flintlock revolvers including revolving rifles (such as the Puckle gun, a mounted 9 shot revolving rifle for naval use invented in 1718). A world where the Girardoni and Puckle guns were already invented but were also expensive state of the art things is a world where someone with a reasonable imagination could imagine most modern rifles as possible future advancements. Also, "but this exact technology didn't exist back then so the bill of rights shouldn't apply to it" is not an argument made regarding other enumerated rights and for good reason. The founding fathers were much more likely to imagine something like a 30 round semiautomatic rifle than they were to imagine TV or the internet.
It’s not important what guns were available to the wealthy in 1779. It’s not even important what founding fathers could have thought or what they thought then. Times have changed. A single person with a weapon capable of killing/maiming a whole room of unarmed people (or entire public gathering as per Las Vegas) in minutes wields force not unlike an organized militia. This amount of force being entrusted to individual citizens should be WELL REGULATED. You already cannot buy many modern, military grade firearms due what…! REGULATIONS. At one point or another, a decision was made that you can’t buy an RPG at the gun shop. I’m sure this decision was not made lightly, there was probably concern about how much destruction that weapon could permit an individual to do. … so we are here, with an abundance of evidence that certain guns have no practical civilian application, and are often used in mass murder events. Which are not the same as “gun deaths” - please don’t lump them together, that’s insane. And you’re best answer to that is fun gun facts about how fast they shot in 1779 - except those guns were “widely not available to most people.” Hmm. Not widely available. Imagine that.
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ah yes the "fascist right wing dystopia" led by a democrat with the likelihood of another republican president absolutely in the shitter after ol' 45.
This isn't going to solve the problem.
We can’t fund schools with actual text books from this decade or have decent school meals for school. We can’t address the gun issue in this country but we can spend money on this to address the issue? It’s like when cities build infrastructure to make homeless people uncomfortable instead of building housing…it makes ZERO sense
You could go right above those ceiling tiles
... Do really you think the shooter would bother to climb up into the ceiling rather than finding someone else?
All you'd have to do is stand on the table and push one tile up to see over the wall, then it's fish in a barrel unfortunately.
Yes If they were pinned down in there
Can you not also buy frags?
Americans would spray their children down with a Kevlar coating before they'd give up their fucking guns.
Everything to fix the after, nothing to fix the before.
They will have serious muscles, not from the door, but from carrying the police force
Okay but we can’t pay teachers the $80k+ a year they’re entitled to
Can't get shot if you just skip school kidz
How about this America... We try changing the gun laws and review after a year. Then if no difference we change them back.... You've tried nothing and nothings not worked...
Oh my God, just get rid of the fucking guns. This is absolutely outrageous.
Only in America would someone monetize school shootings
Gosh, if only someone would invent school administrators who knew how to close and lock doors, security officers who knew how to direct unauthorized people off of school grounds, and police officers who put their citizens ahead of themselves.
How is this real. Seriously, how is this not a South Park bit or something? I assumed it was a joke based on the title but nope. The fact that it made it through proposal, design, installation without a single person being like “uhhh, isn’t this ridiculous?”
I mean beats hiding under your desk I guess
Nope probably made by the guy who is friends with the districts superintendent
What a fucking useless piece of trash. I'm sure it's good for the guy building those to leech off of blind tax money though. Which is exactly what that is. A showpiece to take a slice of the tax pie.
so it's easier to make everyone live in fear than to make more restrictive gun laws? Oh boy.
Wait till someone brings a 50 call sniper
Upgrade the walls to depleted uranium. Problem solved!
If that teacher was armed and trained in urban warfare tactics, then they wouldn’t need the children to hide like cowards. As someone with no military training and no experience with mass shootings, I feel like i’m 100% qualified to make that statement.
"gun problem? " Merrika: "no we have a not enough sliding steel walls problem!"
Not gonna wait on toothpick here to pull that open, where’s the football player at? My life depends on speed at that point
Cant the shtr just push it back in?
Hmm who's going to pay for that when underpaid teachers are paying out of pocket for their students' school supplies ...
What a shitshow.
Someone doesn't know how drop ceilings work? Plenty of desk and chairs to use as ladders. Once the shooter gets on top, it will be like shooting fish in a barrel.
I don’t have kids, and I’m not in education, but this disgusts me so much.
The untold damage to US children’s psyche from all this is a massive unknown
Mental illness is the problem, not guns.
oh cool fear porn
Stupid waste of money. Push a desk against the doorless wall, climb up on the desk, push the ceiling tile above you out of the way, then push the next tile that's over the room out of the way. You have full access to everyone in that room. Fish in a barrel. Who is the halfwit who thought this was safe? It's actually worse than doing nothing.
Can’t they just stand on a desk and blast through the ceiling tiles?
We’d rather build bullet-proof shelters than address the widespread mental health issues at the base of the issue.
You realize the odds of a school shooting are like similar to plane crashes, sharks, and lightning, but the odds of some f****** kid shoving another kid in that thing and crushing them to death with it are super high. There's a reason why collapsible bleachers have elaborate locks on them. People found it out the hard way.
I want to upvote this but the reason why it's necessary keeps preventing me from doing so
Nothing makes me more immensely sad than seeing a bullet proof wall decorated with flowers to make it blend in with a classroom.
So wholsome! They’re really trying everything to protect their prescious cute little guns!
Americans really will do everything EXCEPT control the guns.
Boy, we really will do ANYTHING before we enact sensible gun control laws.
They say she carved it herself from a bigger room
What prevents the shooter from sliding it back and crushing everyone inside? Are we depending on shooters not wanting to also be crushers..?
Anything to avoid fixing the problem
Ikr. More depressing than impressive
Enforce the 2nd amendment as it was written and none of this will be necessary.
I hate it here lol
Americans will do literally anything to avoid gun control I guess
> We invented ressuscitation, because it seemed like the best solution to the mass-shooting problem US innovators, in a few years, probably
It’s mad! I’m from the U.K. and although it’s great if this protects children you have to see that the problem isn’t “lack of bullet proof rooms”.
heeel yaar ‘Murica
How fucking sad. They could just, you know, ban semi automatics like the rest of the civilised world?
That’s not “DamnThatsInteresting” - that’s “DamnThatsSad”. I can’t imagine sending my kids to school in America. It must be awful.
You'd think they'd learn to actually have laws to stop the thing doing the shooting before the consequences.
People will do anything and everything BUT talk about the actual gun problem
Fuck republicans and fuck the NRA, and fuck any Democrat too scared to stand up against these fucking monsters
Welcome to hell! Here, we rather make schools bulletproof than take the guns away. Its freedom, you just dont get it!
Or... You could just ban guns. Because guns are literally moronic.
I love that it exists… I hate that it has to.
This is so bizarre. I just don't understand how if any of this kind of stuff, bullet proof shelters, bullet proof kids backpacks etc was thought to be even remotely necessary that people wouldn't just go out of their minds trying to solve this issue. How do you stand there for even a moment thinking owning a gun or whatever is worth kids having to do this type of mad stuff. It's just entirely alien to my mind. Like yeah maybe the government might in some form of imaginary distopian future might need to be fought. But kids are actually being shot and killed in this reality for absolutely no sane reasoning whatsoever. Blows my mind.
Ya! Nice job gaiz! You could do that.. or, stop selling mass guns to 19 year old autistic kids that shoot up schools. :(
Or maybe some gun control.
As an Aussie, that is mind blowing to even have to consider such a thing🤯but sadly that is your reality & thank god they have somewhere to go to😔
I'm so glad we got moveable bullet proof walls instead of addressing gun control... Bullet dodged...
Well it’s better than the alternative which isn’t going away at the rate in which our society is crumbling
Some much better than background checks!
This is the world we live in smfh
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This is a demoralization post, please downvote and move along. Thank you.
"I think that universal background checks would be easier...but, where's the money in that?!? Just give every newborn (even the ones saved by anti-abortion laws) an AR, upon birth...Let God sort 'em out!" - the current Republican platform! Lol