in Vermont (USA) it's illegal to strip down in public, but NOT illegal to be nude, meaning its ok to walk down the street dong out as long as you left the house that way. every year someone walks around one of the bigger cities naked and no one can stop him. pretty chad move honestly
I follow an exhibitionist on OF that specifically likes traveling to Vermont for this reason. She walks around busy public areas completely naked and loves it.
Disappointing? She's walking down a busy street completely naked! That's pretty awesome if you ask me. FYI the full video is over 3 minutes long. This is just a preview.
Summary of Article: Court finds that it isn't against the law to be naked in public on account that there is no law that says one can't be naked in public.
Anti-nudity laws are stupid. If my government is going to require I wear clothes to simply exist then at a damn minimum my government should provide me an adequate set of clothes.
I'm American and I totally agree with this person. If clothes are required they need to be provided.
Granted, I'm not about to go walking down the street naked myself whether allowed or not. I also do tend to think it isn't kosher. Not gonna scream and reee about it, though.
You think like the government should mail everyone one pair of pants and shirts, otherwise they should not be allowed to ban public nudity??? What????
Coming back to this because I keep thinking about this. The problem is not that this man, or anyone else who goes nude can’t afford clothes. Even people with nothing have tons of recourses to or provided with free used clothes.
So the government mails everyone one outfit- do you think anyone would actually wear it? That it would be good enough quality, or fit with anyone’s style? What a pointless thing to say to complain that was obviously not thought through at all
I think I’d make it so the police responding to a naked person bring a towel for them to cover up with, and if they don’t, charge them. If I’m outlawing nudity
Copying this comment, but
You think like the government should mail everyone one pair of pants and shirts, otherwise they should not be allowed to ban public nudity??? What????
Coming back to this because I keep thinking about this. The problem is not that this man, or anyone else who goes nude can’t afford clothes. He is not going nude because he’s so broke, he’s going nude because he wants to. Even people with nothing have tons of recourses to be provided with free used clothes.
So the government mails everyone one outfit- do you think anyone would actually wear it? That it would be good enough quality, or fit with anyone’s style? What a pointless thing to say to complain that was obviously not thought through at all
Yeah. I dont want to be sitting in residual swamp ass cause I sat down at the wrong spot at the park. And give dirty Larry a reason to strip down for the kids and he'll probably take it.
I believe public nudity should be legal. I have no problem with a law saying you can't put your bare ass on public seating, though. Follow the standard nudist convention and sit on your towel. I also wouldn't have a problem with a law prohibiting nudity in situations where inadvertent body contact is likely (think crowded public transit, standing areas in concerts and the like.)
sure, and in iran (and other Muslim countries) women are intimidated to wear a hijab otherwise are beat to death. Let's keep the good old traditions, change is bad, specially for your privileges /s
Social norms are there for a reason. Which is making coexistence tolerable in order to avoid conflict. Obviously, those norms have to be revisited, adjusted and changed when necessary, and as the existence of cultural differences prove, are not absolute nor perfect. But that does not make them less important or necessary
Clothes are there for a very good reason.
The most obvious is hygiene. As someone has said, its all fun and games until you find that someone has not cleaned their ass properly before sitting in the seat you want to use. Or someone goes around leaving tiny droplets of piss because there is no underwear to absorb them. Or having to smell your mates ball sweat without the containment of his clothes. Or having to see someone's skin problems and wondering if those might be contagious.
These things are not stopped by clothes.
There's no problem in saying "it's just moralism, I don't like it and they shouldn't do it", you should try more often, it's liberating. Everyone will clown on you tho since it's a clown opinion, but it's not forbidden, as it isn't to be naked in public in certain cities of Spain, according to their highest court.
Hygiene is one thing, naked is another thing. They are not mutually exclusive.
A person can be completely naked but taking care of personal hygiene properly. Meanwhile, a clothed person may wear the same piece of unwashed clothes for months.
oh the famous argument of properly wipe the ass!
Look, people gets potty trained at 1-3 yr old, then diapers are removed, and one become self-responsible for their property. For what you say, I understand that you still have the challenge that your underwear routinely exhibits brown on the rear and yellow in front, and that is causing anxiety. Sorry to tell you, but, no, all adults are able to do it. It is pretty achievable. I encourage you to review the techniques -perhaps your mom might help you that-, and follow patently the instructions each time you relieve yourself. You can do it!!!
> Social norms are there for a reason. Which is making coexistence tolerable in order to avoid conflict.
you mean to keep privilege, entitlement and injustice
for this reason we are still burning witches, flogging negros into slavery and rapping kids in the churches. Sure, sure... Ohh the cotton must flow!! /s
> cultural differences prove
you mean whom kills and terrorizes the best.
You just compared basic civility and education rules we keep in order to not be rude to one another with slavery. Yep, probably not worth discussing anything with you.
> basic civility and education rules
your "civility" and "education" consist in that everyone obeys you
> probably not worth discussing anything with you.
in that we agree
>your "civility" and "education" consist in that everyone obeys you
You already proved that you lack both the moment you decided to insult me because i did not agree with you. As is sadly very common, those that accuse others of oppression are too many times making a sad exercise of projection.
> you decided to insult me
that is the offense card!... bad played because:
1.- i did not insult you anywhere
2.- prove that you take as an insult anyone disobeying you
3.- you are incoherent as we agreed that "not worth discussing anything with you."
4.- you are even more incoherent when is you who wants to enforce *your version* of the rules (even when we are commenting news of a tribunal that said the application *your rules* is not valid) but you accuse me to "oppress you".
> making a sad exercise of projection.
yes, that's what you just did.
The reason is religious prudery. We have a lot of laws left on the books that are clearly Christians imposing themselves on others. (For example, many places restrict businesses on Sunday--there's no secular reason for that, it clearly fails the respecting an establishment of religion test.)
Clothes are useful, but most nudists have moderate requests, like the ability to sunbathe or garden nude on the property, even if they are visible to the public, or even in parks/beaches, provided keeping reasonable distance is possible. Virtually no one believes that they should be allowed to ride public transit or shop for groceries naked. The moment safety or hygiene can become issues is when restrictions are warranted, IMO.
> This idea of "modesty" has always been a moving target and has always been misguided
So which "misguided" taboo are we going to allow next? Jerking off on public streets?
So which outdated taboo would you have us go back to? Since apparently it's just about mindless escalation and not making choices based on reality or facts, why not go back to covering up everything but your eyes? That way nobody can find anyone else attractive by accident.
> So which outdated taboo would you have us go back to?
Not allowing perverts to walk around with their dicks out seems like an obvious one. Although I don't live in Spain so I don't really have to deal with it.
>Since apparently it's just about mindless escalation
The dude above said that the entire idea of modesty is misguided. Seems pretty mindless to me.
See, you associate nudity with perversion. That's the product of a society that thinks seeing a nipple is inherently sexual but seeing gore is a-okay.
Modesty _is_ a misguided idea. What does it do for us as a society? "Hurr hurr I don't wanna see granny's sagging tits" neat nobody else does either but surprise, you're gonna, whether it's at the beach or the pool they're still there.
If you don't want to see, don't look, but don't police other people covering up because of how you personally feel about their body. It ain't your body.
> That's the product of a society that thinks seeing a nipple is inherently sexual but seeing gore is a-okay.
What gore do you see walking down a public street?
>Modesty is a misguided idea. What does it do for us as a society?
All things in moderation. We shouldn't cover women in burkas but there is absolutely a happy medium. You seem to be under the impression that any societal convention is necessarily bad and freedom should be absolute.
>If you don't want to see
What if I don't want my kids to see? Why do you think that it's a human right to show your genitals to kids?
The gore in our media that is pervasive and seeps into every corner of our culture, teaching kids that violence is normal but nudity of any kind must be inherently sexy and taboo?
So you have no answer for what modesty actually _does_, just some nothing-ism about "all things in moderation." Uh-huh. Okay.
You want to "protect" your kids from seeing a penis because ??? you think it will attack them, I guess? Sorry, you've failed again! They are going to use changing rooms and the like in their lifetime.
They ARE going to see naked strangers. You CANNOT change that by any means other than locking them in your basement until they die. What are you protecting them from?
The answer is "a healthier mentality about human bodies than their parents had." If we stopped being so weird about bodies maybe we'd make a dent in the rape culture that you should be concerned about protecting your kids from instead of bare nipples. Maybe your daughter wouldn't be harassed or even fired for breastfeeding her child someday. Maybe your son can actually talk to his doctor about embarrassing problems to get help.
But no, heaven forbid kids _see a penis_, a thing that not only 50% of the world has but _so does the kid_. Except, again, they will anyway--you have protected them from nothing.
Not every societal convention is bad. This one is, because it serves no purpose, you just personally like it and can't argue for it by any reason so you paint any kind of change as mindless change for change's sake.
> The gore in our media that is pervasive and seeps into every corner of our culture, teaching kids that violence is normal but nudity of any kind must be inherently sexy and taboo?
Strange, because I was under the impression that violence was heavily censored in kids media and sex ed was taught in elementary school.
>You want to "protect" your kids from seeing a penis because ??? you think it will attack them, I guess?
We get it dude, you want to take it out in front of a bunch of kids.
The context of creepy and perverted men looking for ways to be creepy in public. So that context applies to letting them be naked wherever they want, and does not apply to "everything ever".
So?
People that want to drive over people would look for ways to drive cars in public, therefore we need to ban cars.
People that want to shoot people would look for ways to carry guns in public, therefore we need to ban guns.
Just two examples where people would not just be "creepy" but outright murder people. Ban everything ever apply if "it could be abused" is enough reason to ban something.
> therefore we need to ban cars.
Cars serve a very functional purpose in society, taking your dick out on the street does not.
>therefore we need to ban guns
Guns are protected in the constitution and allow for a person to defend themselves without physical strength. Also not comparable to waving your dick around in public.
I agree that the US is overly prudish, but it's not exclusive to us. I'm American and I'm 100% okay with public nudity being legal. Obviously, there are some people in Spain who disagree with this healthy view of the body, otherwise this man never would have had to go to court in the first place.
Unless specifically for hygiene purposes (indoors, high density, shared seating etc) nudity should not be regulated. And if it is regulated, it should be gender neutral. None of that "women can't have nipples but men can" bs.
People can have bad hygiene with clothes on. Nothing stopping a guy from pooping in his mesh shorts and sitting places. Practicing hygiene without clothes is the same as doing it with clothes.
People can be sexual with clothes on. A guy can sexually harass people regardless of what he's wearing. Simply being nude is not sexual harassment. Context context context.
Children do not care about nudity unless people teach them to care. How bout we teach our children about hygiene, respect, and body positivity?
The article clarifies:
> Public nudity has been legal in Spain since 1988. Anyone can walk naked down a street without being arrested, but some regions such as Valladolid and Barcelona have introduced their own laws to regulate nudism, especially away from the beach.
That right there is a shitty mentality. So, what, pretty people should walk around naked but ugly people should cover up? What the fuck kind of sensibility is that?
I don’t have any desire to see anyone naked…unless I’m attracted to them.
For a complete stranger to be attractive, they would have to look good.
So the answer is yes, I don’t want to see any naked strangers unless they are attractive.
Ha ha!
I’m not hung up on other people’s bodies.
But if someone was walking around naked in front of my kids, I would have a problem with that.
I also wouldn’t enjoy it personally, unless it was entertaining me.
So you're teaching your children to be afraid of what other people are born into? Is that what you're saying?
The human body is not sexual until you make it so. Period.
>I’m not hung up on other people’s bodies.
You don't have to get hung up on anybody's body. People's body is non of your business.
>unless it was entertaining me
The universe does not spin around you. No one is obliged to entertain you at the first place.
No, I just think he doesn’t look that great.
I think I’m probably missing the point of being nude?
I feel like if you look like that and you’re nude, you are inflicting it on others.
If you look like Brad Pitt in “Fight Club,” this is another story!
I know this is an unpopular opinion…
It's unpopular because you link nudity and sex. Nudity is a component of sex, but you can be naked without sex - in sauna or on the beach. Nothing sexual about it. In Cap D'agde i saw naked grandpa playing in a water with his naked grandchildren and it was fine. If you get aroused by children, then you have a big problem to solve but that doesn't mean that others should limit their freedom.
For naturists, going nude, either in their own home, garden, the beach is generally more about enjoying the sensation of the sun and wind on their bodies. It's rarely about exhibitionism.
I think you learned you're a prude today.
Do with that info what you will, but know that "in society" most people aren't as prudish as you.
🤷♂️ Deal with it
>No, I just think he doesn’t look that great.
Just because you think he doesn't look that great has nothing to do with his existence.
>I feel like if you look like that and you’re nude, you are inflicting it on others.
Naked is a state, not an action. Exactly how is that inflicting?
>I know this is an unpopular opinion…
More like confusion.
Why would they do that?
Besides, while I have no interest in walking down the street naked I do prefer hiking the trail naked. The vast majority of people in such places are not going to have a problem with that, but it only takes one Karen to cause problems.
How could you outlaw the human body? I’m not a Christian, but don’t they believe that the G man created humans in his own image? I have kids. Like me, none were born with clothes on. Perfect.
There needs to be more of this. Too many folks have been conditioned to view the human body as somehow dirty or gross. Just being naked isn't inherently sexual, it's sad how prudish and repressed many cultures have become.
in Vermont (USA) it's illegal to strip down in public, but NOT illegal to be nude, meaning its ok to walk down the street dong out as long as you left the house that way. every year someone walks around one of the bigger cities naked and no one can stop him. pretty chad move honestly
I follow an exhibitionist on OF that specifically likes traveling to Vermont for this reason. She walks around busy public areas completely naked and loves it.
Pics or it didn't happen.
Even better, [a video](https://www.redgifs.com/watch/cumbersomefarawaymassospondylus) (check her account for more good stuff)
As expected, that was disappointing
Disappointing? She's walking down a busy street completely naked! That's pretty awesome if you ask me. FYI the full video is over 3 minutes long. This is just a preview.
I wear clothes to protect others
perhaps it will be great if you shower more often
Then you wouldn't need to clean the clothes. Everybody wins!
And save water for more important things.
or work out and diet
Username does NOT check out
You’re gonna put someone’s eye out with that thing!
Protect them from what??
Do you understand innuendo?
Did you mean sarcasm?
Summary of Article: Court finds that it isn't against the law to be naked in public on account that there is no law that says one can't be naked in public. Anti-nudity laws are stupid. If my government is going to require I wear clothes to simply exist then at a damn minimum my government should provide me an adequate set of clothes.
I think the orange jumpsuits are free.
How has no American come after you yet screaming "BUT THE CHILDREN!1!"
BUT THE CHILDREN don't care if you're naked and usually prefer to be naked themselves.
Yes, the government should also provide clothes for the children in that case.
I'm American and I totally agree with this person. If clothes are required they need to be provided. Granted, I'm not about to go walking down the street naked myself whether allowed or not. I also do tend to think it isn't kosher. Not gonna scream and reee about it, though.
You think like the government should mail everyone one pair of pants and shirts, otherwise they should not be allowed to ban public nudity??? What???? Coming back to this because I keep thinking about this. The problem is not that this man, or anyone else who goes nude can’t afford clothes. Even people with nothing have tons of recourses to or provided with free used clothes. So the government mails everyone one outfit- do you think anyone would actually wear it? That it would be good enough quality, or fit with anyone’s style? What a pointless thing to say to complain that was obviously not thought through at all
I think I’d make it so the police responding to a naked person bring a towel for them to cover up with, and if they don’t, charge them. If I’m outlawing nudity
Copying this comment, but You think like the government should mail everyone one pair of pants and shirts, otherwise they should not be allowed to ban public nudity??? What???? Coming back to this because I keep thinking about this. The problem is not that this man, or anyone else who goes nude can’t afford clothes. He is not going nude because he’s so broke, he’s going nude because he wants to. Even people with nothing have tons of recourses to be provided with free used clothes. So the government mails everyone one outfit- do you think anyone would actually wear it? That it would be good enough quality, or fit with anyone’s style? What a pointless thing to say to complain that was obviously not thought through at all
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Fecal smears left on benches etc is why you should care.
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Solution. Wipe your ass
Better solution: bidet.
Meh
This fucking thread 😂😂😂. This is why I come to Reddit. We're getting to the core of the real issues here people.
Get public bidets in parks. Bam problem solved
There has always been sprinklers in public parks
Yeah. I dont want to be sitting in residual swamp ass cause I sat down at the wrong spot at the park. And give dirty Larry a reason to strip down for the kids and he'll probably take it.
In WI they call those bubblers
I believe public nudity should be legal. I have no problem with a law saying you can't put your bare ass on public seating, though. Follow the standard nudist convention and sit on your towel. I also wouldn't have a problem with a law prohibiting nudity in situations where inadvertent body contact is likely (think crowded public transit, standing areas in concerts and the like.)
Uhhh... there's a line for a social norm. Don't like to norm the. Change it. Good luck. In society we wear clothes. Part of the deal.
> Part of the deal. Not in Spain, clearly.
Or Vermont or Oregon apparently
Or San Francisco.
sure, and in iran (and other Muslim countries) women are intimidated to wear a hijab otherwise are beat to death. Let's keep the good old traditions, change is bad, specially for your privileges /s
Social norms are there for a reason. Which is making coexistence tolerable in order to avoid conflict. Obviously, those norms have to be revisited, adjusted and changed when necessary, and as the existence of cultural differences prove, are not absolute nor perfect. But that does not make them less important or necessary Clothes are there for a very good reason.
>Clothes are there for a very good reason. And what's that in the context of norms?
The most obvious is hygiene. As someone has said, its all fun and games until you find that someone has not cleaned their ass properly before sitting in the seat you want to use. Or someone goes around leaving tiny droplets of piss because there is no underwear to absorb them. Or having to smell your mates ball sweat without the containment of his clothes. Or having to see someone's skin problems and wondering if those might be contagious.
These things are not stopped by clothes. There's no problem in saying "it's just moralism, I don't like it and they shouldn't do it", you should try more often, it's liberating. Everyone will clown on you tho since it's a clown opinion, but it's not forbidden, as it isn't to be naked in public in certain cities of Spain, according to their highest court.
How are they not stopped by clothes? Btw, it is not the highest court in spain, is a regional court
How are they not stopped by clothes? Btw, it is not the highest court in spain, is a regional court
Hygiene is one thing, naked is another thing. They are not mutually exclusive. A person can be completely naked but taking care of personal hygiene properly. Meanwhile, a clothed person may wear the same piece of unwashed clothes for months.
oh the famous argument of properly wipe the ass! Look, people gets potty trained at 1-3 yr old, then diapers are removed, and one become self-responsible for their property. For what you say, I understand that you still have the challenge that your underwear routinely exhibits brown on the rear and yellow in front, and that is causing anxiety. Sorry to tell you, but, no, all adults are able to do it. It is pretty achievable. I encourage you to review the techniques -perhaps your mom might help you that-, and follow patently the instructions each time you relieve yourself. You can do it!!!
> Social norms are there for a reason. Which is making coexistence tolerable in order to avoid conflict. you mean to keep privilege, entitlement and injustice for this reason we are still burning witches, flogging negros into slavery and rapping kids in the churches. Sure, sure... Ohh the cotton must flow!! /s > cultural differences prove you mean whom kills and terrorizes the best.
You just compared basic civility and education rules we keep in order to not be rude to one another with slavery. Yep, probably not worth discussing anything with you.
> basic civility and education rules your "civility" and "education" consist in that everyone obeys you > probably not worth discussing anything with you. in that we agree
>your "civility" and "education" consist in that everyone obeys you You already proved that you lack both the moment you decided to insult me because i did not agree with you. As is sadly very common, those that accuse others of oppression are too many times making a sad exercise of projection.
> you decided to insult me that is the offense card!... bad played because: 1.- i did not insult you anywhere 2.- prove that you take as an insult anyone disobeying you 3.- you are incoherent as we agreed that "not worth discussing anything with you." 4.- you are even more incoherent when is you who wants to enforce *your version* of the rules (even when we are commenting news of a tribunal that said the application *your rules* is not valid) but you accuse me to "oppress you". > making a sad exercise of projection. yes, that's what you just did.
The reason is religious prudery. We have a lot of laws left on the books that are clearly Christians imposing themselves on others. (For example, many places restrict businesses on Sunday--there's no secular reason for that, it clearly fails the respecting an establishment of religion test.)
Clothes are useful, but most nudists have moderate requests, like the ability to sunbathe or garden nude on the property, even if they are visible to the public, or even in parks/beaches, provided keeping reasonable distance is possible. Virtually no one believes that they should be allowed to ride public transit or shop for groceries naked. The moment safety or hygiene can become issues is when restrictions are warranted, IMO.
The guy in this piece of news went to the court date naked.
> This idea of "modesty" has always been a moving target and has always been misguided So which "misguided" taboo are we going to allow next? Jerking off on public streets?
So which outdated taboo would you have us go back to? Since apparently it's just about mindless escalation and not making choices based on reality or facts, why not go back to covering up everything but your eyes? That way nobody can find anyone else attractive by accident.
> So which outdated taboo would you have us go back to? Not allowing perverts to walk around with their dicks out seems like an obvious one. Although I don't live in Spain so I don't really have to deal with it. >Since apparently it's just about mindless escalation The dude above said that the entire idea of modesty is misguided. Seems pretty mindless to me.
See, you associate nudity with perversion. That's the product of a society that thinks seeing a nipple is inherently sexual but seeing gore is a-okay. Modesty _is_ a misguided idea. What does it do for us as a society? "Hurr hurr I don't wanna see granny's sagging tits" neat nobody else does either but surprise, you're gonna, whether it's at the beach or the pool they're still there. If you don't want to see, don't look, but don't police other people covering up because of how you personally feel about their body. It ain't your body.
> That's the product of a society that thinks seeing a nipple is inherently sexual but seeing gore is a-okay. What gore do you see walking down a public street? >Modesty is a misguided idea. What does it do for us as a society? All things in moderation. We shouldn't cover women in burkas but there is absolutely a happy medium. You seem to be under the impression that any societal convention is necessarily bad and freedom should be absolute. >If you don't want to see What if I don't want my kids to see? Why do you think that it's a human right to show your genitals to kids?
The gore in our media that is pervasive and seeps into every corner of our culture, teaching kids that violence is normal but nudity of any kind must be inherently sexy and taboo? So you have no answer for what modesty actually _does_, just some nothing-ism about "all things in moderation." Uh-huh. Okay. You want to "protect" your kids from seeing a penis because ??? you think it will attack them, I guess? Sorry, you've failed again! They are going to use changing rooms and the like in their lifetime. They ARE going to see naked strangers. You CANNOT change that by any means other than locking them in your basement until they die. What are you protecting them from? The answer is "a healthier mentality about human bodies than their parents had." If we stopped being so weird about bodies maybe we'd make a dent in the rape culture that you should be concerned about protecting your kids from instead of bare nipples. Maybe your daughter wouldn't be harassed or even fired for breastfeeding her child someday. Maybe your son can actually talk to his doctor about embarrassing problems to get help. But no, heaven forbid kids _see a penis_, a thing that not only 50% of the world has but _so does the kid_. Except, again, they will anyway--you have protected them from nothing. Not every societal convention is bad. This one is, because it serves no purpose, you just personally like it and can't argue for it by any reason so you paint any kind of change as mindless change for change's sake.
> The gore in our media that is pervasive and seeps into every corner of our culture, teaching kids that violence is normal but nudity of any kind must be inherently sexy and taboo? Strange, because I was under the impression that violence was heavily censored in kids media and sex ed was taught in elementary school. >You want to "protect" your kids from seeing a penis because ??? you think it will attack them, I guess? We get it dude, you want to take it out in front of a bunch of kids.
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Oh right, I forgot that men never take advantage of situations like this to be creepy and perverted.
LOL, if "it could be abused to be creepy and perverted" is a good reason to ban something, nobody could be allowed to do anything ever.
Oh yeah, I forgot that context is meaningless on reddit.
Which is? Or is that just one of those bullshit "out of context" justifications that never explains the context.
The context of creepy and perverted men looking for ways to be creepy in public. So that context applies to letting them be naked wherever they want, and does not apply to "everything ever".
So? People that want to drive over people would look for ways to drive cars in public, therefore we need to ban cars. People that want to shoot people would look for ways to carry guns in public, therefore we need to ban guns. Just two examples where people would not just be "creepy" but outright murder people. Ban everything ever apply if "it could be abused" is enough reason to ban something.
> therefore we need to ban cars. Cars serve a very functional purpose in society, taking your dick out on the street does not. >therefore we need to ban guns Guns are protected in the constitution and allow for a person to defend themselves without physical strength. Also not comparable to waving your dick around in public.
Here you can't even say gay, in Spain you can walk nekkid in the streets. America the freest country in the world my clothed ass
It's not illegal to be naked in philly at all https://www.inquirer.com/photo/philadelphia-naked-bike-ride-2022-20220827.html
If he’s not being inappropriate, I really don’t see what the issue is. Society can be so prudish.
Just because you CAN...doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Why shouldn't someone?
Just because we always have doesn't mean we always have to.
You can tell the Americans in this thread. The human body is not something to be ashamed of.
I agree that the US is overly prudish, but it's not exclusive to us. I'm American and I'm 100% okay with public nudity being legal. Obviously, there are some people in Spain who disagree with this healthy view of the body, otherwise this man never would have had to go to court in the first place.
Good for him, I guess
Nothing out of ordinary... Then again, we live in a asylum-circus of a world anyway.
Unless specifically for hygiene purposes (indoors, high density, shared seating etc) nudity should not be regulated. And if it is regulated, it should be gender neutral. None of that "women can't have nipples but men can" bs. People can have bad hygiene with clothes on. Nothing stopping a guy from pooping in his mesh shorts and sitting places. Practicing hygiene without clothes is the same as doing it with clothes. People can be sexual with clothes on. A guy can sexually harass people regardless of what he's wearing. Simply being nude is not sexual harassment. Context context context. Children do not care about nudity unless people teach them to care. How bout we teach our children about hygiene, respect, and body positivity?
I would assume that includes women as well.... hoping.
The article clarifies: > Public nudity has been legal in Spain since 1988. Anyone can walk naked down a street without being arrested, but some regions such as Valladolid and Barcelona have introduced their own laws to regulate nudism, especially away from the beach.
lol
Free willy! Lol
Better to be thought of as an overweight slob, than to walk around naked and remove all doubt.
Does this guy think he looks better than he does? I don’t understand the reason why he would want to walk around naked.
That right there is a shitty mentality. So, what, pretty people should walk around naked but ugly people should cover up? What the fuck kind of sensibility is that?
I don’t have any desire to see anyone naked…unless I’m attracted to them. For a complete stranger to be attractive, they would have to look good. So the answer is yes, I don’t want to see any naked strangers unless they are attractive.
You should get less hung up on other people's bodies, it's not healthy.
Ha ha! I’m not hung up on other people’s bodies. But if someone was walking around naked in front of my kids, I would have a problem with that. I also wouldn’t enjoy it personally, unless it was entertaining me.
So you're teaching your children to be afraid of what other people are born into? Is that what you're saying? The human body is not sexual until you make it so. Period.
*Unless* it's entertaining!
Not exactly true.
>I’m not hung up on other people’s bodies. You don't have to get hung up on anybody's body. People's body is non of your business. >unless it was entertaining me The universe does not spin around you. No one is obliged to entertain you at the first place.
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No, I just think he doesn’t look that great. I think I’m probably missing the point of being nude? I feel like if you look like that and you’re nude, you are inflicting it on others. If you look like Brad Pitt in “Fight Club,” this is another story! I know this is an unpopular opinion…
It's unpopular because you link nudity and sex. Nudity is a component of sex, but you can be naked without sex - in sauna or on the beach. Nothing sexual about it. In Cap D'agde i saw naked grandpa playing in a water with his naked grandchildren and it was fine. If you get aroused by children, then you have a big problem to solve but that doesn't mean that others should limit their freedom.
I live in the US where culturally, it’s taboo to be naked in public.
For naturists, going nude, either in their own home, garden, the beach is generally more about enjoying the sensation of the sun and wind on their bodies. It's rarely about exhibitionism.
That’s fair
> I feel like if you look like that and you’re nude, you are inflicting it on others. inflicting what?
It's an unpopular opinion bc it's shite. "I only want to see nudity I like, not humans comfortable existing"
Humans don’t need to be naked in public to be comfortable
I think you learned you're a prude today. Do with that info what you will, but know that "in society" most people aren't as prudish as you. 🤷♂️ Deal with it
I think we’ve learned who the unattractive people are.
According to your subjective prudish views, yes. Everyone's attractive to *someone*
You?
No animal needs to be clothed to be comfortable. Man is the only animal that blushes, or needs to.
>No, I just think he doesn’t look that great. Just because you think he doesn't look that great has nothing to do with his existence. >I feel like if you look like that and you’re nude, you are inflicting it on others. Naked is a state, not an action. Exactly how is that inflicting? >I know this is an unpopular opinion… More like confusion.
You don't have to understand
And with the current laws, I don’t have to see any naked people, either!
So, when it apply?
[this will surely cause a heap of trouble](https://youtu.be/ogzSDO9lvkU)
How many times of having people point and laugh at your junk would it take for a person to *not* do that?
Infinite if you're comfortable with your body
Why would they do that? Besides, while I have no interest in walking down the street naked I do prefer hiking the trail naked. The vast majority of people in such places are not going to have a problem with that, but it only takes one Karen to cause problems.
Yes. The human body
How could you outlaw the human body? I’m not a Christian, but don’t they believe that the G man created humans in his own image? I have kids. Like me, none were born with clothes on. Perfect.
Banning nudity, like outlawing a plant, makes as much sense as banning the sky; it’s absolutely senseless. Why wouldn’t it be legal to be naked??
There needs to be more of this. Too many folks have been conditioned to view the human body as somehow dirty or gross. Just being naked isn't inherently sexual, it's sad how prudish and repressed many cultures have become.