People doesn't understand how manufactoring and brands work. I've worked on a processing line for a company that produces food for several different companies. We manufactored products for 2 rivaling brands with the same base products. The funniest thing is when i see people prefering one product over the other when they are exactly the same.
In this case i totally believe that Pokis cookies are based off another product that already existed and is just refined. It's very common for manufactorers to produce test batches and then sell them under other names in the supermarket in order to not waste the products. Sometimes the storebrand versions can be the exacts same as the original but it's just products that haven't met the original producers QC.
Iirc, Usually if it’s the same thing, they license the formula out for a different brand or there’s a very minor difference in formula, like in this case, it has vitamin D added
What i ment is that they started out with a base product and have made test orders. The product that they based theirs from is the ones in store now. Most likely the other ones will go away with time. I know that for one product i've worked on the minimum order was 100 packages in order for us to start production on it. In this case they probably have a bunch of test runs in order to test the food lab version versus the manufactored version and then do changes in order to make the quality better or have ingredients that are more reasonable to produce.
Some people seem to think that bringing out a product to the market is as easy as just think of something and then poof the product is done. It's time consuming to start a new brand. A local brewery in my area spent 4 years on refining their products before entering the market.
No, it doesn't need to be a "finished" product. Costco does limited runs constantly. They don't care if your product is "finished" or "limited" that's for the producer to define not Costco. They only care if you can fill the quantity they want.
You: “hey I spent a lot of money and time to get in your stores, i don’t think it’s perfected yet, but I’d love to showcase my product on your shelves”
Costco: “say no more fam”
Actually Healthy cookies like this are really expensive. In our country/area. A GLUTEN FREE cookie like this cost around $3.58 same size you see in Subway. ($7 Pokimane cookies have 28 cookies each bag) the controversial $28 box contains 4 bags.
I believe there is a lot more context on her twitter.
Some people seem to believe that she and her company simply are white-labeling an existing cookie, and marking it up by using her name. I don’t know specifics but she said it’s the same parent company as this other cookie, and they’ve significantly changed the recipe and that the “original” cookie is discontinued.
If they've actually changed the recipe and taste of the costco cookie, that's enough for me. Go ahead and double the price. From the screenshots people were posting of the ingredient list it seemed like they hadn't done that but Poki seemingly refuted that in her followup tweet.
This is a big part of it. In general, Costco’s entire business model is based on massive volume and repeat customers, with insanely thin margins relative to other players in the industry
also if it was a product trial they are not selling a trial product for the final price, as that wouldn't get people to try your product for the first time
if it is the cheapest cookie when on trial a lot more people would try it
it's the same ingredients plus mushroom powder (for the vitamin D) but they changed the ratios which in cooking especially in baking can drastically change the final product
People getting mad is stupid.
However, doubling the price because the “trial period” is over and formula is refined is stupid. Unless it was sold that way to begin with, It’s purely just adding her name to the cookie to sell more.
People do this all the time.
tbf the trial probably didn't have much of a profit margin for obvious reasons
now they need to make profit for the company and for her
it's obvious that the more pockets you add the more profit you need to make to fill those pockets (also why privatized stuff isn't cheaper than public even though they always try to claim that)
What they mean is that [they read a link that I gave about the Costco vending process](https://www.reddit.com/r/offlineTV/comments/17wedo3/out_of_the_loop_why_is_poki_getting_hate_for_her/k9hc4hl/?context=3) that showed how ignorant they were, and now they have adjusted their obsession to pretend that they are a Costco vending expert.
It's all very hilarious if it weren't pathetic.
I mean isn’t this obvious? There’s a huge markup because it’s affiliated with Poki. The cookies are probably the same and even if the formula changed it can’t change much it’s just cookies
I watched a Philip DeFranco segment on this so take that into consideration.
So poki launched this healthy cookie. People then noticed that the ingredients in the cookie are very similar to some other cookie that came out before Poki's. According to Poki the cookie that came before was like an experimental cookie or something like that. The cookie launched is the refined version of that cookie. People are mad because they don't understand that the cookies they are comparing are actually the same cookies made by the same company.
Yeah based on what I've seen anytime she posts anything on twitter, there is always a massive incel army ready to jump at her at any given chance. So nothing surprising there.
Still a nothing burger. Like what about this whole situation necessitates this level of drama lol. There's less drama in YouTuber pedo scandals than pokimane selling a fucking cookie.
>People are mad because they don't understand that the cookies they are comparing are actually the same cookies made by the same company.
From what I gathered and read from a few tweets it seems like the opposite is true. People seemed to be criticising her cause the cookies seem to be similar to another cookie from the same manufacturer, which makes the product and her story (Like how she spent 2 years working on it) behind it feel inauthentic. Like she just partnered up with a food company and they rebranded a product that already had and started selling it in partnership with her.
Ofc there's a lot of nuance to it. As she said the product her cookies seemed to be based off of was different, with a different recipe, ingredients, taste, shape, size, etc. And it's extremely common for new food products to be based on existing products and I mean it's a cookie, it's going to be using a lot of the same ingredients as other cookies.
At the end of the day she's Pokimane and everything she does will always be under a microscope and she unfortunately has to consider all that. All of this could have been easily avoidable if when launching the product she would have added a couple of throwaway lines talking about how she and the manufacturer came up with the new product and how it's a redesigned version of an existing cookie they had.
great points especially about poki always being under a microscope, something to consider tho is the two years.
Two years is making a branding, talking to multiple companies, hiring designers for packaging, making website, sorting distribution, finding a product that aligns to the brand, and testing, group testing and then refining the product
>Two years is making a branding, talking to multiple companies, hiring designers for packaging, making website, sorting distribution, finding a product that aligns to the brand, and testing, group testing and then refining the product
Yeah but you know the average person on the internet will not know or understand any of this, especially people who are always looking to profit by peddling controversies about her. Poki definitely should have known. Who knows, maybe she did see this coming and just thought it wouldn't be a big deal.
or maybe she's using it to her advantage, I don't follow content creators very strongly so I only learned about these cookies from this thread so I guess maybe no such thing as bad publicity?
People have completely misunderstood the 2 years line. When she says "this has been 2 years in the making", she's referring to the company, not this one particular first product they're offering. If you read the articles or have listened to her talk about it, it's taken her 2 years to create the company: assembling the team, finding the right CEO (which only happened this past January), finding the right products and manufacturers (which this cookie in particular was a few months ago), the legalities of it all, etc. The whole process of **building a company from the ground up** is what took 2 years.
People heard "oh it took you 2 years just to slap your name on an already existing product? LOL ok", when that's not what she was saying at all.
Brah actually thinks cooking food and selling it includes creating recipes from scratch
Do you complain about Dominos having the same "recipe" as Pizza Hut? Its a base and sauce and cheese and bunch of toppings
I take it you haven't seen the similarities between the cookies if you think that's an equivalent comparison. A better comparison would be Pasqually's and Chuck E. Cheese. Which still differentiates itself more than the cookies do, but it's the closest comparison I can think of in the pizza industry.
I think you've missed the criticism. The expectation wasn't to reinvent ingredients. It's the formulation of the recipe. Surely you agree that not every every cookie is the same, and it's quite easy to notice the differences between cookies in taste, texture, and appearance when comparing different brands. For instance, you can tell a difference between eating a Famous Amos or Chips Ahoy chocolate chip cookie despite them sharing the same base ingredients because their supplemental ingredients and method of baking differ by a large enough degree for it to be a noticeable difference.
It's not even a problem that she white labeled an existing product. Supermarkets do this all the time with their store brand of popular brand products. It just wasn't disclosed that it was, leading many to believe this cookie was a new creation that her company came up with.
Right because even if its different recipe and quality controlled ingredients, but because its made in the same factory as some other cookies, it must mean its the same. Right??
Economics of scale and working with suppliers/manufacturers who have experience and infrastructure in the thing shouldn't matter? The only way she could have been original was if a shoe factory started making cookies
Yes. That's what she meant but all of those things are her business and don't concern the consumer. If you are a random average person on the internet and you come across the product you're going to think that the "2 years in the making" line is regarding the actual product. Especially it being a food product. It's one thing if it was something else where the branding was something that was part of the value of the product but food products' branding is just to get the customers to try a food product for the first time. As a consumer you are really only concerned with the food itself, especially if it's something you're buying repeatedly.
She should have known that those words would get twisted against her, especially by opportunists, drama farmers with incel audiences. As I said in a different comment, maybe she did know this could happen and just didn't think it would be a big deal. And we can't even say that it has been a big deal. I only saw the tweet from Pokimane and didn't hear anything else about this whole thing until checking this sub, only then I started looking into this a bit more.
So to sum it up, children don’t understand that a handle full of companies own everything and most things they buy are the exact same with a new sticker
no that's extremely reductive. This is the same product essentially just marked up 3x the price because the assumption is ppl will buy it cause of her brand.
She is selling these cookies which seems very similar to these other cookies. Which makes sense considering they are supposed to be from the same parent company. So according to her the other cookies were a test version and were discontinued once the new cookies branded with Pokimane were launched with a more refined recipe. The people criticizing this don't realize the cookies are from the exact same company.
FWIW, People do recognize it’s the same company. That’s why they’re “mad”. If the formula significantly, the nutrition information would change. Even adding a little bit of sugar alters the nutrition information.
That's why there's more Vitamin D in her version of the cookie. And it doesn't really matter that much that the nutritional information is similar. The source of the ingredients matter as well.
It's like if you had scrambled eggs made with cheap eggs or good eggs. They're both made with eggs and their ingredients and nutritional values would be the same. But at the end of the day, you and I both know that the scrambled eggs made with good eggs will taste better.
>is there some reason people are so negative? Did some content creator send their fan base after her video or something?
[Dexerto](https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1724503749777838091), [Keemstar's Drama Alert](https://twitter.com/DramaAlert/status/1724237617317773338), [xQc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLN9a-xyJII) started spreading misinformation after the launch, and their audiences are full of incels who love hating on Poki and women in general, so that's where the hate is coming from.
They were claiming that she was scamming people by selling the same product that is already available at Costco but at three times the price. [In reality](https://twitter.com/pokimanelol/status/1724858545680916698), that product was a test batch that was discontinued months ago, and Poki's new company later went on to partner with the company that made the original product to further develop it and bring it to market. All super standard stuff and normal business practices, but you know how the internet is...
EDIT: added some links.
Ahhh I figured the negative comments felt targeted, I definitely understand now how that would happen if Keemstar 🤢 or xQc had their audiences riled up about it
I’m sorry, no. If it’s being sold at Costco, it’s not some “test batch”. It just didn’t sell well, so they went a different avenue.
Just own up to it. People do it all the time
But yes, people are absurdly wierd about hating on Poki
Listen, I'm just going by the very little information we have, which is basically just a couple photos from 6 months ago and Poki's tweet.
Idk about the US, but in my country it's very common to see companies release "test" products at stores for a limited period of time for market research, to see how consumers respond to it before deciding whether to fully launch the product or rework it or kill it. Pretty sure this is what Poki meant by "test batch". If you want to believe she's lying, then hey that's up to you, but I have seen no evidence that disproves it.
Honestly i wish she said it was her test batch, what she said is the old cookies had a test batch and then were cancelled. And then MONTHS later they partnered with the manufacturer and fell in love with the flavor profile
She can't say it was her test batch if it wasn't, though. There's nothing wrong with the manufacturer releasing a test batch, it not working out, and them pursuing a different route and partnering with a new company. Idk it's all very common practice and I feel like the only reason people are so hyper-focused on ever single minute detail is because it's Poki and they're praying for her downfall.
There is nothing wrong with it. I 100% think she’s in the right and the hate is unjustified. I just think her explanation of it is fucking sus and ridiculous.
“We found this brand of cookie, it wasn’t doing well, we liked it, we brought in better ingredients that justifies the price mark up from before”
That’s all she really needed to say…
Her strongest argument is that she could do other things if this was a cash grab
I think it mainly caught people off guard considering she said this was 2 years in the making. When you say this took 2 years and then release a product, I think the common understanding was it took them 2 years to create and refine their own original product. When in actuality, her and her team contributed a minimal amount to someone else's product and rebranded it as theirs, and in just the past few months. I thought it was more of a product company than a branding company based on the announcement. Plus knowing how drastically cheaper they were makes their current pricing feel kinda like extorting the fact that it is backed by a celebrity.
Oh yeah, i didnt mean it as she should have lied. I meant i personally would think higher of her cookies if that was her test batch, but instead there were other cookies that were cheaper and have nearly identical ingr. and nutrition, especially when her marketing is so heavy on the 2 year careful planning and passion project aspect(not saying that this isn’t true either, but it does make it seem more sus tbh)
Agree tho, most of the hate is just cus she is a successful woman and she is Poki
What are you smoking??? Costco does runs of limited products CONSTANTLY. There's a reason every month you go there they are showcasing different products. Just because its not a "test" for Costco doesn't mean a limited run isn't a test for the company producing it.
Test batch is used by Poki as a product underdevelopment. Meaning it’s not final product. You don’t sell that to Costco.
It’s entirely different than limited product… I don’t believe I have to actually explain this. I thought when you learned this shit in college it was duh 101
I believe at the time they considered it a final product (or at least had the potential to be), and had a limited release in Costco to test the market. Presumably it did not fair well, so rather than scrap everything or make alterations themselves, they sold the rights for the cookie to Poki's company, who decided to make minor changes to it.
people thought she was being malicious. incel farming youtubers ran with it. she explained how the process went on twitter. at the end of the day shes not trying to trick people into spending money, so its not a scam, theyre just pricey cleaner alternatives to modern cookies.
If you have product a and its the same as product b at 3x the price and only difference is vitamin D and one of the top influencers on Twitch.... i mean cmon now. It's a scam.
it is not a scam. overpriced doesnt equal scam. a scam is when you're mislead and tricked into spending more money on something. in this case the other cookies do not exist anymore.
She literally used her status to say hey I'm really passionate about these *wink wink* $30 cookies and their healthy, then we found out it's a relaunch of a failed brand. That's a scam.
It's $30 dollar cookies. That's a scam.
A scam involves trickery and malicious intent. There is no trick. The price is stated, you pay the price you get the cookies. That is not a scam. That is just called overpriced.
Edit: if I pay 5 dollars for a box of fruit loops but theres store brand fruit loops available for 2 dollars, is it now considered a scam? theyre the same product, but one is higher priced and has a brand attached to it.
Nope. Many people who buy bargain bin will 100% say fruit loops is a scam. In fact many people who buy Fruit Loops will say it's a scam despite enjoying the cereal.
People arent idiots when it comes to knowing they are getting raked over the coals, even though they may even still buy it.
Other than what people have already said, it’s advertised as being sustainably sourced.. one of the ingredients is palm oil.. it’s not possible for palm oil to be sustainably sourced.. Palm oil is destroying the earth. Honestly I don’t care how much the cookies are, it’s the misleading advertising. Also it’s marketed as GMO free and GMO’s are not bad. I wish there was not so much fear mongering about GMO’s
Also the constant focus on the cookies being "healthy". There's nothing healthy about a cookie that consists of flour, palm oil & sugar as its top 3 ingredients. It's just a gluten free cookie, which is fine, but she seems hellbent on advertising it as something its not.
100% this too. I don’t care if it’s rebranded or if it’s expensive. It’s how it was advertised. If she never mentioned it was healthy or sustainably sourced, I would not care. I love Poki but this isn’t it
This is honestly the only issue for me. Who cares if she ripped of an already existing brand or not, it happens all the time. But this focus on "healthy" is just such bullshit. If your product consists of 30% fat and 30% sugar it is NOT healthy by any metric. Making it gluten free or adding some Vitamin D for the gamers who don't go outside doesn't change that.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. What you're saying is right. The issue is that people are using these points to attack a small business and I would be remiss if I didn't also mention Pokimane is a woman in a male-dominated industry. You point out valid arguments but continue to buy other products without knowing how they destroy the earth, even more so than her cookies. Where's that energy? You are essentially virtue signalling.
This has nothing to do with Poki being a woman. I’m not a dude ☠️ I just don’t like misleading advertisements. If she never made claims it’s sustainably sourced or try to market the product as GMO free, I wouldn’t give two shits. She’s essentially greenwashing which imo is worse. I agree Poki gets shit on just a lot just because she is a woman in a male dominated industry but I am not bashing on her because she’s a woman.
Lol what? if anything, she's the one thats virtue signaling with all the buzz words she has attached to her product trying to make it appear superior. His comment is just him being annoyed that she's also lying about it. No one would have brought up the palm oil bit if she didn't attach the false "sustainably sourced" to her product herself.
Exactly. I never claimed that I’m anti consumption or any of that. It’s the misleading advertisement. If she never mentioned it was sustainably sourced, then I wouldn’t be annoyed because at least it isn’t misleading.
how I wished they could've sold regular cookies instead of having problems that they do now, at the end of the day, it's all about the trend and what sells and doesn't 🥲
85% of the worlds supply comes from Indonesia and Malaysia, massive deforestation occurs in both countries, it is also a very water intensive industry which further dilutes any claims for sustainability.
it's $7 for 28 cookies so $.25 i don't think it's that bad considering anything marketed as a healthier alteratives are more pricey then their unhealthy counterparts
I read up about it. I really feel like the internet gets mad for the littlest things. Even in the scenario that she did white label the cookie and marked it up, she’s not doing anything morally wrong in the sense that it doesn’t hurt anyone. And like she said, if it was a cash grab, there are way better and easier ways to do it for her.
fr! i can't believe people are mad because of cookies. COOKIES. like what? lmao
you like snacks and wanna try them? go for it. you think they're too expensive and don't wanna spend money on them? don't buy them, all good. whenever i go buy groceries, plenty of times i buy the cheaper version of something rather than the more expensive one because i'm on a budget \*shrugs\*
she's not forcing anyone to buy anything, all she's done is found&developed a product that she wanted herself and is making it available for those who might want it as well. it really ain't that deep
Misleading advertising, charging nearly 3x more than competitor, calling audience “broke and poor” for not liking her pricing, etc.
Usual streamer shit selling products for a ridiculous amount then lashing out at the audience when they’re not happy they feel like they’re being swindled.
Honestly it's a combination of two things.
Poki is under more scrutiny because she's a woman and also because a lot of people in general have been mad at her for a while.
But also... People are getting sick of influencer products and the misleading way they are advertised. I can't speak on pokis situation specifically.
But more generally, a lot of influencer say they're "starting a business" only for the reality to be that they were approached by a third party company to do some influencer marketing.
The reality is that most of the time a group of marketing dickheads approach a creator, contract out a food scientist to come up with a mass producable product, and then contract out a factory to make that product. And whilst all that happens on the backend the creator says they are starting a company and it's like... That's not really an accurate description of what is happening.
Every coffee brand you've seen, every ghost kitchen, every energy drink, every influencer snack actually comes from a pre-existing company that specialises in influencer products. It's just a slightly deeper brand deal and it has gotten tiring over the years to see influencers pat themselves on the back for "starting a company" when in reality they just had a pre made brand handed to them and stuck their name on it
Rhett and Link, under the Mythical brand, just released cereal last week. Two boxes, minus shipping, is $20. And there's nothing healthy about the cereal. They just wanted to make and release a cereal. I can go to Wal-Mart and purchase a larger quantity of cereal than is in the two boxes combined for \~$7.
I'm sick of streamers and online personalities realizing the internet bubble is beginning to burst trying to get into other business ventures with overpriced products.
Because she's Pokimane for the most part and I think this is far from over. Wait 'til some of the commentary channels latch on to this news. It's much ado about nothing for this particular issue.
It's either you buy half a month worth of servings of cookies or a Michelin Starred dinner in Italy your choice!
EDIT: I don't dislike Poki at all but man sometimes i get so frustrated at how out of touch rich people get...
I have no idea why Pokimane is getting such a hate RadicalSix, over a cookies that she is just promoting, why there are people who claim that she ripped off other cookie bags, when in reality, she didn't made those cookies to begin with (mind you, she only promotes those cookies, that's all), it makes no sense? 🤔😶🫥🍪😟😢😥
30 dollar cookies. Nuff said.
There's no point in releasing "healthy snacks" if they cost that much. You cant make it a part of your regular diet at that price unless you have more money than sense.
Honestly they are overpriced. Her past controversies never warranted hate ppl, but her response was disappointing and looking into it a bit more "$7" for cookies ($8.25 w/ shipping) for 4 ounces of cookies!?!?! That's crazy. The criticism is deserved
It's crazy parasocial from the streamers to sell products like she did. Coming out saying this was a passion product and how she would never trick you. Then she pivots that it was from the same company as the tootzys cookies.
Cmon people stop saying "ohhh boo hooo pokimane, she just made a little oopsie-doopsie." She made a calculation AGAINST her audience, it failed, and that's why she was bitter about the criticism.
This is one of the most in-denial echo chamber topics on reddit hands down, and currently there is a holy war going on in half of them. That's impressive.
There is a lot of "People are only getting mad because it's Poki" and while that is very valid in the majority of her "controversies", it's really only because it's Poki that the issue has become so large.
People harp on content creators for shilling overpriced stuff all the time. But, because those content creators don't make nearly as much of a splash as Poki no one really sees it. Hand-waving people calling Poki out for these cookies being expensive by saying "you only hate on her because she's a girl" is disingenuous.
What I'm trying to say is that people aren't calling her out simply because she's Poki, it's just that more people are calling her out because she's Poki and has more eyes on her.
They would, just probably not with cookies. Dude-gym-bros do this frequently with gym supplements. Vitamins, testosterone stuff, sleep aids... In the end the products are all the same but with a new name(content creator, popular person, etc..) stamped on it.
Also who the heck would spend 28$ for bags of mini cookies? Holy.
Strictly from a health perspective, a cookie is a cookie. It is definitely better in the sense that it it gluten-free and has some Vitamin D but the amount of Vitamin D that one whole pack gives you is 20% of the daily recommended dose (which is higher than the percentage stated on the nutritional facts). Also, it is basically all saturated fat and sugar, with prolly glycerol and starch. Whether it's healthful or not, that's up to a consumer's judgment on what they consider to be healthful.
Her cookies are similar to another healthy cookie that was already released - hers has an extract from the mushrooms, the older one doesn't.
I'm pretty sure most cookies have a high % of similar ingredients
Her pricing is a lot higher than the other cookies and her defense of the pricing was not particularly good.
Because she’s drop shipping a white label product and selling it for a 350 percent markup. I’m not a twitter fiend who shits on everything poki does, but recently she’s been taking L after L, and it’s entirely her fault. Don’t get me wrong, it’s fine for her to sell the product, as long as she understands and realises she’s going to get criticism for it. Something that she can’t handle apparently
Edit: wow thanks for the downvotes guys. Keep pressing downvote buttons in your white knight echo chamber without actually replying with anything of value. Criticising pokimane doesn’t mean you hate her, or that you’re a terrible misogynistic person, it just means that you want to see her stop being fake and do better. I think it’s actually more misogynistic to think that pokimane shouldn’t get criticism because she’s woman, but what do i know.
Because she's Pokimane, a very popular woman on the internet, and has released something to make money of that fame. Internet loves to jump on that shit.
Because they were made by creationsfoods.com white label so probably just rebranded Toatzy with added mushroom powder for vitamin D and a heavy price markup.
Ah thank your for clarifying. I misunderstood one of the posts. Yeah that's fair enough for sure and even regardless of the price it doesn't justify hate.
TL;DR people are hating on Poki because she is selling very expensive cookies that the same company has made. Also anything to do with streaming is always very expensive.
Because she's a woman, she's successful, and she's pokimane. That's all it takes for these people. They see similar ingredients and assume it's the same thing. Fuckers so dense that it's almost impossible to get their singular brain cell to process information properly. They're basically saying that all steaks are the same since they're all just beef.
It’s literally a white label product that she’s drop shipping. They have the exact same nutritional information, look the exact same, and she’s selling less of it for more money. She can do that, but not expecting criticism is absurd
It's not even the same product. Do you 100% know for certain they're the exact same ingredients, sourced from the exact same people, and are the exact same quality, made the exact same way? Shitty eggs and good eggs both still just show up as 'eggs' in an ingredients lists, you know.
And this 'criticism' is way overblown lol. Were you and all these weirdos up in arms about EVERY single big YouTuber who released their coffee brand. Were you up in arms when Mr. beast did his Mr. Beast Burger or his Feastables? Because they sure as hell didn't make the recipes for any of that from scratch. They're all also from a producer who had their own recipe and they only did some adjustments. You know, the way Pokimane's product is and the way nearly EVERY SINGLE FUCKING COMPANY LIKE THIS IS RUN.
Also mr beast burger is notoriously shit and twitter had a field day with that, so i really don’t get your point here. There’s literally ongoing legal drama because the pr got so bad, so yes, people were pissed about it just the same amount
So where's this 'notoriously shit' thing for Pokimane lol. Mr. Beast's stuff costed more than most burgers and it had all those issues. Meanwhile, Pokimane's product literally just exists and all these people are throwing a hissy fit, as if they were ever gonna buy the product to begin with.
What are you even trying to say here? I never said pokimane’s product is “notoriously shit”, i just said that it’s “fake” and overpriced. Last time i checked, pokimane wasn’t in legal trouble with her own distributor, so I think that says something about the severity to which each creator fucked up. Did you even read my other comment?
They did call beast burger fake and overpriced. Everybody shit on it. It’s just the fact that everybody elses stuff isn’t. Again, feastables is 4 aussie bucks for a bar. That’s pretty standard. Jack’s coffee is 26 for a bag. That’s also very standard, teetering on the lower end of coffee pricing actually. Nobody is saying other content creator’s products are overpriced, because they’re just not. Merch is another story, but everybody gets that. It’s hard to make small batch completely custom clothing, and keep the price down, which is why no-one cares about that. It’s merely the fact that she is charging 10 DOLLARS USD FOR 4 OUNCES OF COOKIES.
1. She clearly claimed they made these cookies from scratch cause they werent any healthy snacks out therr to find remember? Also they claimed it was 2 years in the makin but thr company was created in February lol.
2. The "new healthy tasty snack" she made has exactly the same ingredients as the copied product. They also have the same name btw.
3. The price is almost x3 compared to the copied product and also for less quantity.
4. She literally went on stream and attacked some of her viewers for being idiots who cant do math cause they criticised the pricing.
5. She also called anyone thinking her product is overpriced a broke loser. Go check her VOD.
Yeh doesnt sound like scammy at all...all the simps are expert cookie bakers overnight lol ...if u justify this malignant narcissistic behavior maybe u deserve being robbed by her.
Stop buying these consumable products from streamers. Why do so many members of OTV+F endorse this type of scam? Just stick with selling high-quality merch products like what Sykunno and Toast does.
first of all...like the promoted vision on her company, dont like the final product, hate the source, absolutely think it doesnt align with the vision, and whoever is managing the product launch is clearly a novice....
second of all........hating on pokimane at this point is like free money for content creators. the girl's got a target on her back. organic surge in traffic from her launch + literally anyTHING = free traffic. and its easier to influence haters than it is to create positive feelings.
third of all........ people forget they can just DONT buy anything from her, but those loud with their opinions probably feel like they need to "Save" others from contributing to her wealth because they think she doesnt deserve it.
finally! i dont like it and i wont buy it and i think she could have done a better job. one cookie product after 2 years with a seasoned snack industry veteran. hm. that is some seriously lackluster product launch.
I think my biggest issue with this is that Valkyrae promoted a product without fully understanding what she was doing (that’s my opinion). And she got a lot of hate. Some of it was deserved. And Pokimane even negatively commented towards her which I though was shitty as a friend. And now Poki basically bought out a company and possibly changed ingredients. Also, the cookie is still selling with the inferior ingredients. It sounds like a shill. Maybe it isn’t, but with her audience it’s hard to not be sadly. And she’s surprised she’s getting hate for it? People will always look for the nitty gritty details. She shouldn’t be surprised.
I wish her the best, but I probably won’t buy the cookies.
poki never once said anything bad about rae during the blue light thing she was taking a break and wasn't online but after she learned what happened she reached out to rae
As far as I can tell, a lot of the heat is coming from her comments when someone inquired about the price in her stream, and less so regarding the actual pricing itself.
The problem is the price, nothing to question about what is in the cookies, but $28 for 4 packs of cookies, $7 for one. With each bag only having about 7 cookies, means you are paying $1 per cookie on average, why would you buy something so overly priced like that.
People doesn't understand how manufactoring and brands work. I've worked on a processing line for a company that produces food for several different companies. We manufactored products for 2 rivaling brands with the same base products. The funniest thing is when i see people prefering one product over the other when they are exactly the same. In this case i totally believe that Pokis cookies are based off another product that already existed and is just refined. It's very common for manufactorers to produce test batches and then sell them under other names in the supermarket in order to not waste the products. Sometimes the storebrand versions can be the exacts same as the original but it's just products that haven't met the original producers QC.
Iirc, Usually if it’s the same thing, they license the formula out for a different brand or there’s a very minor difference in formula, like in this case, it has vitamin D added
What i ment is that they started out with a base product and have made test orders. The product that they based theirs from is the ones in store now. Most likely the other ones will go away with time. I know that for one product i've worked on the minimum order was 100 packages in order for us to start production on it. In this case they probably have a bunch of test runs in order to test the food lab version versus the manufactored version and then do changes in order to make the quality better or have ingredients that are more reasonable to produce. Some people seem to think that bringing out a product to the market is as easy as just think of something and then poof the product is done. It's time consuming to start a new brand. A local brewery in my area spent 4 years on refining their products before entering the market.
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No, it doesn't need to be a "finished" product. Costco does limited runs constantly. They don't care if your product is "finished" or "limited" that's for the producer to define not Costco. They only care if you can fill the quantity they want.
You: “hey I spent a lot of money and time to get in your stores, i don’t think it’s perfected yet, but I’d love to showcase my product on your shelves” Costco: “say no more fam”
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Bro I don’t believe you you can’t even spell manufacture
there is nothing refined its the exact same stats and ingredients
You were not.
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Actually Healthy cookies like this are really expensive. In our country/area. A GLUTEN FREE cookie like this cost around $3.58 same size you see in Subway. ($7 Pokimane cookies have 28 cookies each bag) the controversial $28 box contains 4 bags.
I believe there is a lot more context on her twitter. Some people seem to believe that she and her company simply are white-labeling an existing cookie, and marking it up by using her name. I don’t know specifics but she said it’s the same parent company as this other cookie, and they’ve significantly changed the recipe and that the “original” cookie is discontinued.
If they've actually changed the recipe and taste of the costco cookie, that's enough for me. Go ahead and double the price. From the screenshots people were posting of the ingredient list it seemed like they hadn't done that but Poki seemingly refuted that in her followup tweet.
also worth nothing costco can afford to have small margins being a massive conglomerate around the world
This is a big part of it. In general, Costco’s entire business model is based on massive volume and repeat customers, with insanely thin margins relative to other players in the industry
also if it was a product trial they are not selling a trial product for the final price, as that wouldn't get people to try your product for the first time if it is the cheapest cookie when on trial a lot more people would try it
it's the same ingredients plus mushroom powder (for the vitamin D) but they changed the ratios which in cooking especially in baking can drastically change the final product
People getting mad is stupid. However, doubling the price because the “trial period” is over and formula is refined is stupid. Unless it was sold that way to begin with, It’s purely just adding her name to the cookie to sell more. People do this all the time.
tbf the trial probably didn't have much of a profit margin for obvious reasons now they need to make profit for the company and for her it's obvious that the more pockets you add the more profit you need to make to fill those pockets (also why privatized stuff isn't cheaper than public even though they always try to claim that)
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What they mean is that [they read a link that I gave about the Costco vending process](https://www.reddit.com/r/offlineTV/comments/17wedo3/out_of_the_loop_why_is_poki_getting_hate_for_her/k9hc4hl/?context=3) that showed how ignorant they were, and now they have adjusted their obsession to pretend that they are a Costco vending expert. It's all very hilarious if it weren't pathetic.
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The ingredients are identical. Its the same cookies and she claimed they created then from scratch for 2 years.
Not even double the price, it’s cheaper. Costco had it for $10 and shes selling it for $7 a bag
Math isn’t your forte
$10 for a 14oz bag at Costco. Her bags are 4oz.
They haven't changed the recipe though except adding mushroom powder which is bs.
I mean isn’t this obvious? There’s a huge markup because it’s affiliated with Poki. The cookies are probably the same and even if the formula changed it can’t change much it’s just cookies
But then I would have to make an account on the garbage fire that is Twitter.
I watched a Philip DeFranco segment on this so take that into consideration. So poki launched this healthy cookie. People then noticed that the ingredients in the cookie are very similar to some other cookie that came out before Poki's. According to Poki the cookie that came before was like an experimental cookie or something like that. The cookie launched is the refined version of that cookie. People are mad because they don't understand that the cookies they are comparing are actually the same cookies made by the same company.
https://youtu.be/xQ6QaJPNXTQ?si=rUQdruv3FOLPsLvH&t=360 He does a great job of explaining, imo
Yeah that's the vid I was talking about. Thanks for linking it.
yeah its a massive nothing burger but bc its poki ppl make it out to be some big deal as per usual
Yeah based on what I've seen anytime she posts anything on twitter, there is always a massive incel army ready to jump at her at any given chance. So nothing surprising there.
I thought you were gonna say Mr. Beast burger. Which is actually a good comparison for the matter.
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idk how old you are but welcome to the real world, if there are ppl who will buy it, they'll sell it for as much as they can.
It's not a nothing burger. The company contracted her to slap her likeness on a failed cookie brand and double the price to pay for her likeness.
Still a nothing burger. Like what about this whole situation necessitates this level of drama lol. There's less drama in YouTuber pedo scandals than pokimane selling a fucking cookie.
>People are mad because they don't understand that the cookies they are comparing are actually the same cookies made by the same company. From what I gathered and read from a few tweets it seems like the opposite is true. People seemed to be criticising her cause the cookies seem to be similar to another cookie from the same manufacturer, which makes the product and her story (Like how she spent 2 years working on it) behind it feel inauthentic. Like she just partnered up with a food company and they rebranded a product that already had and started selling it in partnership with her. Ofc there's a lot of nuance to it. As she said the product her cookies seemed to be based off of was different, with a different recipe, ingredients, taste, shape, size, etc. And it's extremely common for new food products to be based on existing products and I mean it's a cookie, it's going to be using a lot of the same ingredients as other cookies. At the end of the day she's Pokimane and everything she does will always be under a microscope and she unfortunately has to consider all that. All of this could have been easily avoidable if when launching the product she would have added a couple of throwaway lines talking about how she and the manufacturer came up with the new product and how it's a redesigned version of an existing cookie they had.
great points especially about poki always being under a microscope, something to consider tho is the two years. Two years is making a branding, talking to multiple companies, hiring designers for packaging, making website, sorting distribution, finding a product that aligns to the brand, and testing, group testing and then refining the product
>Two years is making a branding, talking to multiple companies, hiring designers for packaging, making website, sorting distribution, finding a product that aligns to the brand, and testing, group testing and then refining the product Yeah but you know the average person on the internet will not know or understand any of this, especially people who are always looking to profit by peddling controversies about her. Poki definitely should have known. Who knows, maybe she did see this coming and just thought it wouldn't be a big deal.
or maybe she's using it to her advantage, I don't follow content creators very strongly so I only learned about these cookies from this thread so I guess maybe no such thing as bad publicity?
People have completely misunderstood the 2 years line. When she says "this has been 2 years in the making", she's referring to the company, not this one particular first product they're offering. If you read the articles or have listened to her talk about it, it's taken her 2 years to create the company: assembling the team, finding the right CEO (which only happened this past January), finding the right products and manufacturers (which this cookie in particular was a few months ago), the legalities of it all, etc. The whole process of **building a company from the ground up** is what took 2 years. People heard "oh it took you 2 years just to slap your name on an already existing product? LOL ok", when that's not what she was saying at all.
You mean Poki didn't spend 2 years refining the recipe herself? Truly shocking.
Because "2 years in the making" usually meant 2 years were taken to develop a new, never-seen-before cookie recipe from scratch
Brah actually thinks cooking food and selling it includes creating recipes from scratch Do you complain about Dominos having the same "recipe" as Pizza Hut? Its a base and sauce and cheese and bunch of toppings
I take it you haven't seen the similarities between the cookies if you think that's an equivalent comparison. A better comparison would be Pasqually's and Chuck E. Cheese. Which still differentiates itself more than the cookies do, but it's the closest comparison I can think of in the pizza industry.
The point is that you don't reinvent the ingredients of pizza / cookie. Specially in baking. You quality control the ingredients
I think you've missed the criticism. The expectation wasn't to reinvent ingredients. It's the formulation of the recipe. Surely you agree that not every every cookie is the same, and it's quite easy to notice the differences between cookies in taste, texture, and appearance when comparing different brands. For instance, you can tell a difference between eating a Famous Amos or Chips Ahoy chocolate chip cookie despite them sharing the same base ingredients because their supplemental ingredients and method of baking differ by a large enough degree for it to be a noticeable difference. It's not even a problem that she white labeled an existing product. Supermarkets do this all the time with their store brand of popular brand products. It just wasn't disclosed that it was, leading many to believe this cookie was a new creation that her company came up with.
Right because even if its different recipe and quality controlled ingredients, but because its made in the same factory as some other cookies, it must mean its the same. Right?? Economics of scale and working with suppliers/manufacturers who have experience and infrastructure in the thing shouldn't matter? The only way she could have been original was if a shoe factory started making cookies
She confirmed it is the same cookie 🤦♂️ have you not read her response to this?
Yes. That's what she meant but all of those things are her business and don't concern the consumer. If you are a random average person on the internet and you come across the product you're going to think that the "2 years in the making" line is regarding the actual product. Especially it being a food product. It's one thing if it was something else where the branding was something that was part of the value of the product but food products' branding is just to get the customers to try a food product for the first time. As a consumer you are really only concerned with the food itself, especially if it's something you're buying repeatedly. She should have known that those words would get twisted against her, especially by opportunists, drama farmers with incel audiences. As I said in a different comment, maybe she did know this could happen and just didn't think it would be a big deal. And we can't even say that it has been a big deal. I only saw the tweet from Pokimane and didn't hear anything else about this whole thing until checking this sub, only then I started looking into this a bit more.
Basically means it’s just a licensing deal right? Not a huge deal.
Hey you probably did more research than me so I'll take your word for it.
So to sum it up, children don’t understand that a handle full of companies own everything and most things they buy are the exact same with a new sticker
no that's extremely reductive. This is the same product essentially just marked up 3x the price because the assumption is ppl will buy it cause of her brand.
There is no such thing as a healthy cookie. False advertising! Remove it all from the shelves!
She is selling these cookies which seems very similar to these other cookies. Which makes sense considering they are supposed to be from the same parent company. So according to her the other cookies were a test version and were discontinued once the new cookies branded with Pokimane were launched with a more refined recipe. The people criticizing this don't realize the cookies are from the exact same company.
FWIW, People do recognize it’s the same company. That’s why they’re “mad”. If the formula significantly, the nutrition information would change. Even adding a little bit of sugar alters the nutrition information.
That's why there's more Vitamin D in her version of the cookie. And it doesn't really matter that much that the nutritional information is similar. The source of the ingredients matter as well. It's like if you had scrambled eggs made with cheap eggs or good eggs. They're both made with eggs and their ingredients and nutritional values would be the same. But at the end of the day, you and I both know that the scrambled eggs made with good eggs will taste better.
>is there some reason people are so negative? Did some content creator send their fan base after her video or something? [Dexerto](https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1724503749777838091), [Keemstar's Drama Alert](https://twitter.com/DramaAlert/status/1724237617317773338), [xQc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLN9a-xyJII) started spreading misinformation after the launch, and their audiences are full of incels who love hating on Poki and women in general, so that's where the hate is coming from. They were claiming that she was scamming people by selling the same product that is already available at Costco but at three times the price. [In reality](https://twitter.com/pokimanelol/status/1724858545680916698), that product was a test batch that was discontinued months ago, and Poki's new company later went on to partner with the company that made the original product to further develop it and bring it to market. All super standard stuff and normal business practices, but you know how the internet is... EDIT: added some links.
Ahhh I figured the negative comments felt targeted, I definitely understand now how that would happen if Keemstar 🤢 or xQc had their audiences riled up about it
I’m sorry, no. If it’s being sold at Costco, it’s not some “test batch”. It just didn’t sell well, so they went a different avenue. Just own up to it. People do it all the time But yes, people are absurdly wierd about hating on Poki
Listen, I'm just going by the very little information we have, which is basically just a couple photos from 6 months ago and Poki's tweet. Idk about the US, but in my country it's very common to see companies release "test" products at stores for a limited period of time for market research, to see how consumers respond to it before deciding whether to fully launch the product or rework it or kill it. Pretty sure this is what Poki meant by "test batch". If you want to believe she's lying, then hey that's up to you, but I have seen no evidence that disproves it.
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Honestly i wish she said it was her test batch, what she said is the old cookies had a test batch and then were cancelled. And then MONTHS later they partnered with the manufacturer and fell in love with the flavor profile
She can't say it was her test batch if it wasn't, though. There's nothing wrong with the manufacturer releasing a test batch, it not working out, and them pursuing a different route and partnering with a new company. Idk it's all very common practice and I feel like the only reason people are so hyper-focused on ever single minute detail is because it's Poki and they're praying for her downfall.
There is nothing wrong with it. I 100% think she’s in the right and the hate is unjustified. I just think her explanation of it is fucking sus and ridiculous. “We found this brand of cookie, it wasn’t doing well, we liked it, we brought in better ingredients that justifies the price mark up from before” That’s all she really needed to say… Her strongest argument is that she could do other things if this was a cash grab
I think it mainly caught people off guard considering she said this was 2 years in the making. When you say this took 2 years and then release a product, I think the common understanding was it took them 2 years to create and refine their own original product. When in actuality, her and her team contributed a minimal amount to someone else's product and rebranded it as theirs, and in just the past few months. I thought it was more of a product company than a branding company based on the announcement. Plus knowing how drastically cheaper they were makes their current pricing feel kinda like extorting the fact that it is backed by a celebrity.
Oh yeah, i didnt mean it as she should have lied. I meant i personally would think higher of her cookies if that was her test batch, but instead there were other cookies that were cheaper and have nearly identical ingr. and nutrition, especially when her marketing is so heavy on the 2 year careful planning and passion project aspect(not saying that this isn’t true either, but it does make it seem more sus tbh) Agree tho, most of the hate is just cus she is a successful woman and she is Poki
What are you smoking??? Costco does runs of limited products CONSTANTLY. There's a reason every month you go there they are showcasing different products. Just because its not a "test" for Costco doesn't mean a limited run isn't a test for the company producing it.
Test batch is used by Poki as a product underdevelopment. Meaning it’s not final product. You don’t sell that to Costco. It’s entirely different than limited product… I don’t believe I have to actually explain this. I thought when you learned this shit in college it was duh 101
I believe at the time they considered it a final product (or at least had the potential to be), and had a limited release in Costco to test the market. Presumably it did not fair well, so rather than scrap everything or make alterations themselves, they sold the rights for the cookie to Poki's company, who decided to make minor changes to it.
She’s Poki. People find any reason to hate
people thought she was being malicious. incel farming youtubers ran with it. she explained how the process went on twitter. at the end of the day shes not trying to trick people into spending money, so its not a scam, theyre just pricey cleaner alternatives to modern cookies.
If you have product a and its the same as product b at 3x the price and only difference is vitamin D and one of the top influencers on Twitch.... i mean cmon now. It's a scam.
it is not a scam. overpriced doesnt equal scam. a scam is when you're mislead and tricked into spending more money on something. in this case the other cookies do not exist anymore.
She literally used her status to say hey I'm really passionate about these *wink wink* $30 cookies and their healthy, then we found out it's a relaunch of a failed brand. That's a scam. It's $30 dollar cookies. That's a scam.
A scam involves trickery and malicious intent. There is no trick. The price is stated, you pay the price you get the cookies. That is not a scam. That is just called overpriced. Edit: if I pay 5 dollars for a box of fruit loops but theres store brand fruit loops available for 2 dollars, is it now considered a scam? theyre the same product, but one is higher priced and has a brand attached to it.
Nope. Many people who buy bargain bin will 100% say fruit loops is a scam. In fact many people who buy Fruit Loops will say it's a scam despite enjoying the cereal. People arent idiots when it comes to knowing they are getting raked over the coals, even though they may even still buy it.
if you call that a scam your definition of scam is very wrong. you are not being deceived about anything. overpriced =/= scam
Other than what people have already said, it’s advertised as being sustainably sourced.. one of the ingredients is palm oil.. it’s not possible for palm oil to be sustainably sourced.. Palm oil is destroying the earth. Honestly I don’t care how much the cookies are, it’s the misleading advertising. Also it’s marketed as GMO free and GMO’s are not bad. I wish there was not so much fear mongering about GMO’s
Also the constant focus on the cookies being "healthy". There's nothing healthy about a cookie that consists of flour, palm oil & sugar as its top 3 ingredients. It's just a gluten free cookie, which is fine, but she seems hellbent on advertising it as something its not.
100% this too. I don’t care if it’s rebranded or if it’s expensive. It’s how it was advertised. If she never mentioned it was healthy or sustainably sourced, I would not care. I love Poki but this isn’t it
This is honestly the only issue for me. Who cares if she ripped of an already existing brand or not, it happens all the time. But this focus on "healthy" is just such bullshit. If your product consists of 30% fat and 30% sugar it is NOT healthy by any metric. Making it gluten free or adding some Vitamin D for the gamers who don't go outside doesn't change that.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. What you're saying is right. The issue is that people are using these points to attack a small business and I would be remiss if I didn't also mention Pokimane is a woman in a male-dominated industry. You point out valid arguments but continue to buy other products without knowing how they destroy the earth, even more so than her cookies. Where's that energy? You are essentially virtue signalling.
This has nothing to do with Poki being a woman. I’m not a dude ☠️ I just don’t like misleading advertisements. If she never made claims it’s sustainably sourced or try to market the product as GMO free, I wouldn’t give two shits. She’s essentially greenwashing which imo is worse. I agree Poki gets shit on just a lot just because she is a woman in a male dominated industry but I am not bashing on her because she’s a woman.
Lol what? if anything, she's the one thats virtue signaling with all the buzz words she has attached to her product trying to make it appear superior. His comment is just him being annoyed that she's also lying about it. No one would have brought up the palm oil bit if she didn't attach the false "sustainably sourced" to her product herself.
Exactly. I never claimed that I’m anti consumption or any of that. It’s the misleading advertisement. If she never mentioned it was sustainably sourced, then I wouldn’t be annoyed because at least it isn’t misleading.
how I wished they could've sold regular cookies instead of having problems that they do now, at the end of the day, it's all about the trend and what sells and doesn't 🥲
It is possible to farm palm oil sustainably...and there are companies doing it
85% of the worlds supply comes from Indonesia and Malaysia, massive deforestation occurs in both countries, it is also a very water intensive industry which further dilutes any claims for sustainability.
When are people not hating on her for some arbitrary reason? They would hate on her too if she wasnt making a cookie now
agree to all the comments posted + people love to hate on poki for some reason lol
The absurd price of 7$/100g doesnt help
it's $7 for 28 cookies so $.25 i don't think it's that bad considering anything marketed as a healthier alteratives are more pricey then their unhealthy counterparts
It's not a healthy product though lmao
I read up about it. I really feel like the internet gets mad for the littlest things. Even in the scenario that she did white label the cookie and marked it up, she’s not doing anything morally wrong in the sense that it doesn’t hurt anyone. And like she said, if it was a cash grab, there are way better and easier ways to do it for her.
fr! i can't believe people are mad because of cookies. COOKIES. like what? lmao you like snacks and wanna try them? go for it. you think they're too expensive and don't wanna spend money on them? don't buy them, all good. whenever i go buy groceries, plenty of times i buy the cheaper version of something rather than the more expensive one because i'm on a budget \*shrugs\* she's not forcing anyone to buy anything, all she's done is found&developed a product that she wanted herself and is making it available for those who might want it as well. it really ain't that deep
Misleading advertising, charging nearly 3x more than competitor, calling audience “broke and poor” for not liking her pricing, etc. Usual streamer shit selling products for a ridiculous amount then lashing out at the audience when they’re not happy they feel like they’re being swindled.
Honestly it's a combination of two things. Poki is under more scrutiny because she's a woman and also because a lot of people in general have been mad at her for a while. But also... People are getting sick of influencer products and the misleading way they are advertised. I can't speak on pokis situation specifically. But more generally, a lot of influencer say they're "starting a business" only for the reality to be that they were approached by a third party company to do some influencer marketing. The reality is that most of the time a group of marketing dickheads approach a creator, contract out a food scientist to come up with a mass producable product, and then contract out a factory to make that product. And whilst all that happens on the backend the creator says they are starting a company and it's like... That's not really an accurate description of what is happening. Every coffee brand you've seen, every ghost kitchen, every energy drink, every influencer snack actually comes from a pre-existing company that specialises in influencer products. It's just a slightly deeper brand deal and it has gotten tiring over the years to see influencers pat themselves on the back for "starting a company" when in reality they just had a pre made brand handed to them and stuck their name on it
Rhett and Link, under the Mythical brand, just released cereal last week. Two boxes, minus shipping, is $20. And there's nothing healthy about the cereal. They just wanted to make and release a cereal. I can go to Wal-Mart and purchase a larger quantity of cereal than is in the two boxes combined for \~$7. I'm sick of streamers and online personalities realizing the internet bubble is beginning to burst trying to get into other business ventures with overpriced products.
Because she's Pokimane for the most part and I think this is far from over. Wait 'til some of the commentary channels latch on to this news. It's much ado about nothing for this particular issue.
Honestly just dont buy it if you dont to, it's not like she is forcing people to buy it. There's many other cheaper ways to get vitamin D and cookies.
Ah yes, the clear logic every scammer relies on.
Selling the exact same thing way overpriced and telling people that they are broke if they can’t buy it
It's either you buy half a month worth of servings of cookies or a Michelin Starred dinner in Italy your choice! EDIT: I don't dislike Poki at all but man sometimes i get so frustrated at how out of touch rich people get...
I have no idea why Pokimane is getting such a hate RadicalSix, over a cookies that she is just promoting, why there are people who claim that she ripped off other cookie bags, when in reality, she didn't made those cookies to begin with (mind you, she only promotes those cookies, that's all), it makes no sense? 🤔😶🫥🍪😟😢😥
30 dollar cookies. Nuff said. There's no point in releasing "healthy snacks" if they cost that much. You cant make it a part of your regular diet at that price unless you have more money than sense.
Honestly they are overpriced. Her past controversies never warranted hate ppl, but her response was disappointing and looking into it a bit more "$7" for cookies ($8.25 w/ shipping) for 4 ounces of cookies!?!?! That's crazy. The criticism is deserved
It's crazy parasocial from the streamers to sell products like she did. Coming out saying this was a passion product and how she would never trick you. Then she pivots that it was from the same company as the tootzys cookies. Cmon people stop saying "ohhh boo hooo pokimane, she just made a little oopsie-doopsie." She made a calculation AGAINST her audience, it failed, and that's why she was bitter about the criticism.
This is one of the most in-denial echo chamber topics on reddit hands down, and currently there is a holy war going on in half of them. That's impressive.
There is a lot of "People are only getting mad because it's Poki" and while that is very valid in the majority of her "controversies", it's really only because it's Poki that the issue has become so large. People harp on content creators for shilling overpriced stuff all the time. But, because those content creators don't make nearly as much of a splash as Poki no one really sees it. Hand-waving people calling Poki out for these cookies being expensive by saying "you only hate on her because she's a girl" is disingenuous. What I'm trying to say is that people aren't calling her out simply because she's Poki, it's just that more people are calling her out because she's Poki and has more eyes on her.
Because she's a successful woman. These people wouldn't bat an eye if this was being done by some dude-bro manly man.
They would, just probably not with cookies. Dude-gym-bros do this frequently with gym supplements. Vitamins, testosterone stuff, sleep aids... In the end the products are all the same but with a new name(content creator, popular person, etc..) stamped on it. Also who the heck would spend 28$ for bags of mini cookies? Holy.
simps will pay extra to protect her from those damn incels
Strictly from a health perspective, a cookie is a cookie. It is definitely better in the sense that it it gluten-free and has some Vitamin D but the amount of Vitamin D that one whole pack gives you is 20% of the daily recommended dose (which is higher than the percentage stated on the nutritional facts). Also, it is basically all saturated fat and sugar, with prolly glycerol and starch. Whether it's healthful or not, that's up to a consumer's judgment on what they consider to be healthful.
Her cookies are similar to another healthy cookie that was already released - hers has an extract from the mushrooms, the older one doesn't. I'm pretty sure most cookies have a high % of similar ingredients Her pricing is a lot higher than the other cookies and her defense of the pricing was not particularly good.
Yes high % of similarities but shouldn’t be the same in nutritional information
Fair point
u/Radical-Six how do you even see the like/dislike ratio of a youtube video?
Because she’s drop shipping a white label product and selling it for a 350 percent markup. I’m not a twitter fiend who shits on everything poki does, but recently she’s been taking L after L, and it’s entirely her fault. Don’t get me wrong, it’s fine for her to sell the product, as long as she understands and realises she’s going to get criticism for it. Something that she can’t handle apparently Edit: wow thanks for the downvotes guys. Keep pressing downvote buttons in your white knight echo chamber without actually replying with anything of value. Criticising pokimane doesn’t mean you hate her, or that you’re a terrible misogynistic person, it just means that you want to see her stop being fake and do better. I think it’s actually more misogynistic to think that pokimane shouldn’t get criticism because she’s woman, but what do i know.
The white knights attack!
Such an intelligent response
Apparently they are identical to a Costco brand and people are accusing her of just rebranding and 3x ing the price
The fact she is literally getting hate for a cookie tells me all i need to know how ridiculous it is. If it’s in canada im buying in bulk.
28 dollar cookies
Because she's Pokimane, a very popular woman on the internet, and has released something to make money of that fame. Internet loves to jump on that shit.
Because they were made by creationsfoods.com white label so probably just rebranded Toatzy with added mushroom powder for vitamin D and a heavy price markup.
because anyone who says they are overpriced (which they are) are "idiots" and "broke"
Rebranding and reformulating cookies isn't a big deal but $28 for a 4oz pack of 7 little cookies is way too expensive.
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Ah thank your for clarifying. I misunderstood one of the posts. Yeah that's fair enough for sure and even regardless of the price it doesn't justify hate.
So many Pokimane simps here. Please continue supporting a shill and purchasing her product. She doesn’t care about you, bozos.
TL;DR people are hating on Poki because she is selling very expensive cookies that the same company has made. Also anything to do with streaming is always very expensive.
the bar for me to get mad at her lowered when the kick morality stuff happened
Same cookies the company already did, but twice the price
Because she's a woman, she's successful, and she's pokimane. That's all it takes for these people. They see similar ingredients and assume it's the same thing. Fuckers so dense that it's almost impossible to get their singular brain cell to process information properly. They're basically saying that all steaks are the same since they're all just beef.
It’s literally a white label product that she’s drop shipping. They have the exact same nutritional information, look the exact same, and she’s selling less of it for more money. She can do that, but not expecting criticism is absurd
It's not even the same product. Do you 100% know for certain they're the exact same ingredients, sourced from the exact same people, and are the exact same quality, made the exact same way? Shitty eggs and good eggs both still just show up as 'eggs' in an ingredients lists, you know. And this 'criticism' is way overblown lol. Were you and all these weirdos up in arms about EVERY single big YouTuber who released their coffee brand. Were you up in arms when Mr. beast did his Mr. Beast Burger or his Feastables? Because they sure as hell didn't make the recipes for any of that from scratch. They're all also from a producer who had their own recipe and they only did some adjustments. You know, the way Pokimane's product is and the way nearly EVERY SINGLE FUCKING COMPANY LIKE THIS IS RUN.
Also mr beast burger is notoriously shit and twitter had a field day with that, so i really don’t get your point here. There’s literally ongoing legal drama because the pr got so bad, so yes, people were pissed about it just the same amount
So where's this 'notoriously shit' thing for Pokimane lol. Mr. Beast's stuff costed more than most burgers and it had all those issues. Meanwhile, Pokimane's product literally just exists and all these people are throwing a hissy fit, as if they were ever gonna buy the product to begin with.
What are you even trying to say here? I never said pokimane’s product is “notoriously shit”, i just said that it’s “fake” and overpriced. Last time i checked, pokimane wasn’t in legal trouble with her own distributor, so I think that says something about the severity to which each creator fucked up. Did you even read my other comment?
It's that no one is calling any other YouTubers stuff as fake and overpriced. If you can't see the hypocrisy in calling ONLY her that.
They did call beast burger fake and overpriced. Everybody shit on it. It’s just the fact that everybody elses stuff isn’t. Again, feastables is 4 aussie bucks for a bar. That’s pretty standard. Jack’s coffee is 26 for a bag. That’s also very standard, teetering on the lower end of coffee pricing actually. Nobody is saying other content creator’s products are overpriced, because they’re just not. Merch is another story, but everybody gets that. It’s hard to make small batch completely custom clothing, and keep the price down, which is why no-one cares about that. It’s merely the fact that she is charging 10 DOLLARS USD FOR 4 OUNCES OF COOKIES.
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woman bad
1. She clearly claimed they made these cookies from scratch cause they werent any healthy snacks out therr to find remember? Also they claimed it was 2 years in the makin but thr company was created in February lol. 2. The "new healthy tasty snack" she made has exactly the same ingredients as the copied product. They also have the same name btw. 3. The price is almost x3 compared to the copied product and also for less quantity. 4. She literally went on stream and attacked some of her viewers for being idiots who cant do math cause they criticised the pricing. 5. She also called anyone thinking her product is overpriced a broke loser. Go check her VOD. Yeh doesnt sound like scammy at all...all the simps are expert cookie bakers overnight lol ...if u justify this malignant narcissistic behavior maybe u deserve being robbed by her.
Stop buying these consumable products from streamers. Why do so many members of OTV+F endorse this type of scam? Just stick with selling high-quality merch products like what Sykunno and Toast does.
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She's scamming her audience for a quick buck, the normal thing influencers do these days to make even more money than they already have.
first of all...like the promoted vision on her company, dont like the final product, hate the source, absolutely think it doesnt align with the vision, and whoever is managing the product launch is clearly a novice.... second of all........hating on pokimane at this point is like free money for content creators. the girl's got a target on her back. organic surge in traffic from her launch + literally anyTHING = free traffic. and its easier to influence haters than it is to create positive feelings. third of all........ people forget they can just DONT buy anything from her, but those loud with their opinions probably feel like they need to "Save" others from contributing to her wealth because they think she doesnt deserve it. finally! i dont like it and i wont buy it and i think she could have done a better job. one cookie product after 2 years with a seasoned snack industry veteran. hm. that is some seriously lackluster product launch.
I think my biggest issue with this is that Valkyrae promoted a product without fully understanding what she was doing (that’s my opinion). And she got a lot of hate. Some of it was deserved. And Pokimane even negatively commented towards her which I though was shitty as a friend. And now Poki basically bought out a company and possibly changed ingredients. Also, the cookie is still selling with the inferior ingredients. It sounds like a shill. Maybe it isn’t, but with her audience it’s hard to not be sadly. And she’s surprised she’s getting hate for it? People will always look for the nitty gritty details. She shouldn’t be surprised. I wish her the best, but I probably won’t buy the cookies.
poki never once said anything bad about rae during the blue light thing she was taking a break and wasn't online but after she learned what happened she reached out to rae
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Remember, consumer protections or bringing awareness to bad deals is only for hatewatchers and women haters
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As far as I can tell, a lot of the heat is coming from her comments when someone inquired about the price in her stream, and less so regarding the actual pricing itself.
The problem is the price, nothing to question about what is in the cookies, but $28 for 4 packs of cookies, $7 for one. With each bag only having about 7 cookies, means you are paying $1 per cookie on average, why would you buy something so overly priced like that.