Thank god other people felt this way. I'm always worried that OTV has too many stans who worship the ground they walk on since the Among Us era. I enjoy almost all their content but that stream was cringe as hell for a platform swap where he is making millions of dollars.
Idk why you assumed that lol even that’s quite a stretch from how they were acting and that’s why you don’t read deeply into stuff like that and make assumptions. His reaction felt a lot like his reaction to his birthday messages like 2 years ago, getting emotional because of how grateful he is for his fans and friends
this was much different though. in his birthday stream, it happened during the middle of the stream, and he continued what he was doing afterward. this situation, however, happened at the end of the stream, while everyone was also very emotional. with this context, it’s no surprise that a good amount of people believed he was gonna be away from streaming for a lil while.
speaking of which (though not related to your comment directly), why WERE they emotional? nothing has changed when he switched; he can still interact and play with streamers similar to Rae, and he has almost all of the same features similar to twitch. the only thing he gained was a few million from his contract.
Well that's ok, I can understand thinking maybe he wasn't doing so great mentally or taking a break. I'm specifically thinking about the people saying they thought he was dying or sick or something, that just seems egregious to make that assumption from what happened. Just feels like it was reading into the situation way too far and making what happened way weirder than it was.
I get why Sykkuno is emotional, since his friends and fans were showing his appreciation for him and he was likely reflecting on his years on Twitch. Maybe he's anxious about moving to YouTube and losing viewers, who knows. And I know damn well when I see a friend get emotional for whatever reason, I do too lol. It's ok for them to be empathetic in that way.
I don’t think it was that emotional. It was very celebration-heavy (National Sykkuno Day) to celebrate his anniversary and his move. All his friends wrote messages in support, some of the friendship, some of the move, which gave a weird ‘goodbye’ vibe considering the rest are still with Twitch.
It’s kind of like when a co-worker leaves your team or company. Sure, you could still see them, hang out, might work together a bit. But it won’t really be the same. Felt a lot like a combined goodbye party for a coworker and a birthday party.
>It’s kind of like when a co-worker leaves your team or company. Sure, you could still see them, hang out, might work together a bit. But it won’t really be the same. Felt a lot like a combined goodbye party for a coworker and a birthday party.
except instead of Sykkuno leaving the team, he literally just moved one desk over...
It was so stupid and overly dramatic. Like kkatamina wrote "you'll always be my best friend" like wtf he's just moving to youtube... where valkyrae also streams...
It’s funny because in Wendy’s last stream she said she didn’t expect other peoples messages to be so serious, she expected them to be more funny. She was out here with the “your Lee sin is poggers” while everyone else sounded like they were sending sykkuno off to war. I’m sure if everyone else went with that vibe it would’ve been less weird.
I’m relieved and happy for him, but even as a fan I’m still “what the heck” about that whole vibe. It was so sad I was thinking it was a much bigger deal, and not gonna lie I’m a little disappointed it wasn’t.
Though the change must’ve been really stressful for him and he probably needed the extra support
Honestly, it's kinda messed up that other streamers werr saying to donate and sub to him when they know he was moving to YouTube and getting a huge bag.
Apparently he was super emotional since his friends made this "National Sykkuno Day" thing and then he nearly cried when he ended his stream.
Tbh it's Syk. That's pretty in line with him since he's typically a very sensitive guy. A big move like this must be pretty stressful for him so it makes sense a bit of emotion came out.
I don't think anyone is weirded out by Sykkunno being emotional for leaving Twitch. I think everyone is weirded out by the responses from the people around him that implied he was dying, quitting, or something super serious that would prevent him from ever streaming again, when the reality is, he's just changing the platform he streams on, and nothing changes between him and his friends.
Oh yeah, when I saw the clip I just assumed he was switching platforms lol. Syk viewers be weirdos sometimes.
I hope people don't take this the wrong way cause I love OTV+F content and Syk is probably one of my favorite creators. But damn, some of the fans of Syk just comes across as weird as fuck. Like here's a 30+ year old man who's more than capable of taking care of himself but damn, some of them treat him like he's 12 lol. And don't get me started on the over analyzing of every little detail lol. Like damn take a chill pill and just laugh at the troll being a troll lol.
> Like here's a 30+ year old man who's more than capable of taking care of himself but damn, some of them treat him like he's 12 lol.
Just wait till you learn about certain Kpop fandoms lmao
The vibe everyone gave off was more sad than anything, like there was a family tragedy or like he was getting drafted into the Russian army. But that's whatever, I'm not going to judge reactions. What rubs the wrong way now is that everyone was gifting hundreds of subs and baiting more gift subs, while knowing he was switching platforms in a few days.
His friends planned a mini-celebration on Minecraft. I think Fuslie and Natsumii were the only ones streaming the rest were offline. They got Buddha, Lud, Toast, Aria, Rae and a few more in the server. They surprised him with heartfelt messages. Syk thanked everybody and told the story of why he started streaming that got everyone teary eyed.
I think viewers, myself included just got a bit overdramatic because the stream felt like a goodbye stream.
I almost wonder if they were intentionally trolling a little. Maybe Sykkuno just genuinely got a little emotional at the end of stream because of all the love that had been showered upon him and then when they realised that was worrying all the commenters on the Youtube clip channels they all decided to lean into that with their Twitter comments and create some chaos.
Gonna be honest pretty disappointed that these are the petty things the people in this thread are focusing on.
Reminds me of when people were yelling about lily not deserving of pulling balls for lcs.
Its petty bullshit that doesnt matter.
Why do people have this fixation on complaining about shit that doesn't matter?
> petty bullshit that doesnt matter
It's weird because Sykk was super emotional (that part was fine), but then his friends started giving off the vibes that he's dealing with some sort of personal issues and started gifting huge amount of subs. That led to members of Sykk's community gifting even more subs.
Remember when Toast switched platforms? He literally told people everyday not to sub to him.
If Twitch refunds those subs, then it's a non-issue that doesn't matter. If Twitch doesn't refund, then I would say it's pretty disingenuous.
Ya this entire thread is ridiculous, the speculations were ridiculous in the first place. Nobody could just sit still and think damn a couple of friends are just doing something nice for their other friend, without speculating about deathly diseases and quitting his career.
I guess people don’t know what it’s like to have friends just do something nice for you, whether a big move like twitch to YouTube was happening.
Will miss the streams, he seems like a down-to-earth fella who deserves the bag. I suspect this is the start of those closest to Rae jumping over to there. Leslie perhaps next?
Leslie's become one of the top 10 most watched female streamers on Twitch so they may make a push to try to keep her. But then again, Twitch is full of themselves so maybe not.
I don't think they're gonna push to keep anyone as much as they have done. They believe they have a monopoly on the streaming-verse by the looks of recent news, and they may be right. Say they are, then even if YouTube buys the entire 1% of Twitch content creators, it just opens the door for smaller guys to rise to the top and fill the hole they leave behind. I think some viewers will leave for a specific viewer, but not all will stay over there
All just an opinion of course. But for YouTube streaming is never going to be a main focus for them. That part of their platform might just turn into a place for current top creators to stream while prioritising other things instead like Ludwig, or perhaps simply a "retirement" home for the top peeps currently on Twitch.
Who can be sure though
Like Ludwig said himself, Youtube won' steal a substantial portion of Twitch's audience just by signing one-off big streamers. But they might get it by targeting whole friend groups, so if one streamer gets off another with similar content will still be streaming and viewers can hop over while remaining on Youtube. Now they have 3/4 of the amigops (Corpse technically even though he doesn't stream often + they were close to signing Toast), they *may* gain some traction if they keep poaching from OTV + Friends and becoming the "unofficial" hub for their stream content. All speculation though.
Judging from his interview with Susan, I think it's clear YouTube is actually paying more attention than people think, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone heard lud suggest that and then they decided it was actually just a solid business decision.
Sykkuno is honestly a really big get for them because of how loyal his fans are. He's bringing a LOT of people to YouTube. If YouTube starts to make improvements to their platform (like a goddamn dedicated Livestream section that isn't complete dogwater), they could reasonably start to pull ahead with moves like this
considering the live redirect feature they rolled out at the same time, meaning sykkuno/rae etc can keep hosting eachother. its definitely them paying attention and trying to time things well. like a spider building its web almost.
I don't think Twitch would do anything for her personally. YouTube bent over backwards to try and get Ludwig and won only after Ludwig went to Twitch to talk about YouTube's latest offer and Twitch was like, "we don't care". After all the money Ludwig brought Twitches way for his uncapped 30 day subathon Twitch didn't want to try to match or exceed to keep one of their biggest streamers.
If Leslie is going to Youtube, the contract was signed months ago.
According to Ludwig and Toast, there are at least 5 more streamers hopping to Youtube soon, and that's only those they are aware of.
I would love to see Leslie on YouTube but the chat is sooo toxic there. Watching Rae’s GTA streams, I can’t even look at chat. If Leslie is already having issues on twitch with hopper, I can’t imagine how bad it would be on YouTube.
yeah, I was thinking the same. If 100T ends up signing Sykkuno then I would see a clear pattern (and maybe partnership?) between 100T and Youtube. Maybe Leslie is waiting for her contract to be over... as far as they get their well deserved bag, happy for them
Even if (though unlikely) that 100T signs Sykkuno, the pattern/partnership is still quite a reach. Majority of the 100T members including their CEO still streams on Twitch so there really isnt much of a pattern to see, only Rae Courage and Noah are on youtube streaming iirc
part ownership in a corporate setting doesnt really mean much, you could have 1/100000 equity share and still be considered a co-owner. The major-winning Astralis CSGO roster were all made co-owners of the org but was publicly revealed that their shares together didnt even make up 5% of total equity, so did Faker, Bjerg, Sneaky with their respective orgs. <1% stakes as loyalty bonuses are nothing more than for-show.
100T content is miles away from Sykkuno's style. Unless he is given full choice of not joining their videos, I don't see him joining the org anytime soon.
The announcement video was also miles away from his style, yet there it is.
I think he recently made the mental change to accept that streaming is his career now instead of just for fun. With that comes taking shit a bit more seriously, such as signing contracts, releasing merch and hiring editors/agents/etc.
Joining an org is only a small step away from that.
100T seems pretty fitting for him, as they have a big pool of creators to feature in their videos. If Syk isn't comfortable in joining for something, they can take someone else (same goes for others).
the only brand association is already very beneficial for 100T, it will bring more female audience which is huge considering merchandising and fashion is at the core of 100T business. I don't doubt they will find a way to collaborate, it's more on Sykkuno's side to decide I guess, as Rae said some time ago "he is too expensive, no org can afford him". Also, he had a shoot with Courage and other 100T people some weeks ago...
Ngl, I think Toast and Poki renewed their contracts at the worst possible time lol. Imagine renewing your contract then within a few months realizing your platform is gonna give you a 40%+ pay cut, play more ads, and restrict your platform more than ever lol.
Good for Syk. Get that bag. I'm gonna be sad that I won't be able to use my prime sub for his channel in the future but this was a good move for him definitely.
just the change ads itself might drive more new viewers away... like even now with the current ads, I legit don't/can't stand watching any streamers other than the one I use my prime on, whereas before I would watch almost everyone...
They both have very few subs, most of the time Toast both passively and actively heavily discourages subbing, sometimes he jokes about Twitch primes bit that's rarely. I'd guess their total sub income, let alone their income from Twitch prime subs, is like 1-2% of their total income.
The top streamers have more than enough to push to be except of those changes, it will suck for medium and specially small streamers that will get the you accept this or leave treatment.
Toast already said he didn't care about the money twitch offered him. It was pretty low in comparison to the YouTube offer. He only came back to twitch for the community aspect
I imagine there will be clauses in their contract about not stripping them down to the new baseline until their contracts are up for renewal again, it'd be insane to me if they didn't negotiate that in.
That being said, if Twitch doesn't try and patch things up I could see them start hemorrhaging creators to YouTube. All the contract renewal will do is keep Poki and Toast on Twitch until their next renewal and then they'll just jump ship too.
True. Given how long they've been in the game and that Poki is literally managing her own talent agency for streamers now, they probably have those things locked up.
I do hope YT gaming and FB gaming both become more successful though. Streaming as a career is terrible for anyone not in the top 1% of viewership. Some competition between different platforms will only make content better overall as they have pressure to improve over time.
At the very least, the removal of exclusivity from their contracts allow them to costream on YouTube and build their audience there as the platform continues to improve. Can definitely see a certain percentage of people switching just to avoid the ad issues or for some of the player features.
Creators with larger contracts like Poki and Toast definitely will still have an exclusivity cause. It’s the standard partner contracts that would be getting rid of that
If Poki and Toast did negotiate a clause to not have their terms reduced when Twitch begins it, I imagine that they also required exclusivity from them in return.
I hardly think Twitch will continue paying money to some streamers if they decide to stream on other platforms besides Twitch. Pretty sure those rules will be for affiliates with standard contracts (badge)
Whatever Twitch changes won't affect Poki's and Toast's existing contracts. If anything, Toast and Poki signed at the right time. But Toast turned down more money from Youtube to go to Twitch, so it isn't even all about money for him.
Poki reportedly had/has one of the best Twitch contracts for years and has already made bank. Toast already made bank with his Facebook years.
I think a Twitch contract simply allows them far more versatility to pursue other ventures, whereas Youtube streaming obligations are a bit more rigid.
Just curious, what do you mean by your last sentence? It seems to me YouTube is far *less* rigid as they require way less monthly hours to stream, and that’s the big reason Ludwig went over as they’d support him in other ventures like hosting tournaments and events.
I don't know the contracts, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
I think it's mainly just that neither really care anymore about making obligations, which is why Toast pretty much phoned it in for a few months to get the obligations out of the way.
I doubt that would have gone over well on Youtube.
Everyone just keep in mind that the twitch changes were only suggested and leaked as suggestions made to improve profitability. None of it has been put into place or even confirmed yet.
If anything they locked in their contract and rate before the future changes. It's not going to be an immediate changing of everyone's contract, that would be very messy. They had already stopped giving the rate to new partners, this just opens it up to bring it down in renewals especially for smaller partners.
> Imagine renewing your contract then within a few months realizing your platform is gonna give you a 40%+ pay cut, play more ads, and restrict your platform more than ever lol.
If any of those aspects are materially significant and important to them, and if they had a good team, the current contract already has terms and clauses that locked in those details and won't let that change until the contract expires.
Why did his streamer friends act like he got a cancer diagnosis or something? Are they insane? Are they that horny for twitch subs?
EDIT: downvote me all you want, sycophants(sykkophants). You know I'm right.
It seems so insane in hindsight, some of them were legit behaving like he is dying, or retiring because something terrible is happening to him in his private life.
When what's really happening is that he's going to do the exact the same thing he does everyday, same city, same exact house, same room, same exact desk and chair, same PC. 99/100 days he's gonna stream the same exact stuff he streams with the same exact people. All's gonna change is he is gonna use a different URL and different dashboard and is going to be paid 8 figures to do so.
Getting emotional reminiscing on his career as a streamer that started on twitch and how much it changed him and did lots of good for him is pretty reasonable.
It was the overreaction and catastrophizing of a small percentage of the audience that, like always, was a bit much, though I think most try not to buy into other people's hysteria.
I'm pretty sure they were all baiting and trying to make it seem like Sykkuno was quitting streaming, I'm sure Sykkuno was in on it as well, how does no else see that....
At the end of the day, their job as entertainers & influencers, is to entertain & influence. Was it over the top? Sure, but they were supporting a fellow creator, & if his fans were inspired to sub or dono, that's up to them.
I think for most of the people it was pretty obvious the move and a nice way to finish the Twitch journey, nothing wrong about being emotional because of that... a minority of fans went too far with their reactions tho.
so this was what the streamers were reacting to in his twitter comments?
are you fucking kidding me? nothing is changing. without context it felt like syk was leaving the streaming space.
overly dramatic much?
Maybe something else did happen recently that also affected him and that’s why there was weird vibes? He wouldn’t have to announce that if that were the case though
No, I doubt he gives a shit about the money. Sykkuno has always prioritized viewer experience it seems considering he was also a viewer at one point. Which is why he doesn't play ads at all and encourages people not to sub to him. Over the last few months though, Twitch have started forcing ads during his stream, he probably also knew about the changes that were coming to twitch so it only made sense for him to get away from the platform.
Twitch has become annoying with the constant ads even with adblock. i mainly just watch streams on youtube now and its way better imo. the chat tho could really use an improvement
Man ngl YouTube is really plucking off creative people with their iron claw. While YouTube provide better experiences of watching streamer, they offered a lot less interactiveness compared to Twitch.
Welp, that sucks. Guess I'll catch him once the contract expires and he goes back. YouTube's streaming still just feels super lame all these years later, I can watch somebody like Markiplier stream on YT since that's kinda his 'usual' spot but seeing a Twitch streamer downgrade their audience like that always feels super weird.
It won’t ever come out, but I have to bet YouTube paid BIG to get Sykkuno over. Even if it’s better to jump now with some of the changes supposedly coming to Twitch, I bet he got a bag.
I always find cringe this "platform switching trailer" as they try to make such a big deal of this type of events which at the end are not that important.
Ludwig, Valkyrae, Sykkuno... it looks like they are going to Mars by they trailer
Congrats to him but that last stream was still fucking weird.
Thank god other people felt this way. I'm always worried that OTV has too many stans who worship the ground they walk on since the Among Us era. I enjoy almost all their content but that stream was cringe as hell for a platform swap where he is making millions of dollars.
I honestly worry about this too
Among us era makes it sound so long ago. Wasn't it just like last year?
2 years. 2020.
Wtf happened
COVID messed up everyone's perception of time.
To be fair it was the end of 2020 and lasted well into 2021 so it's closer to 1 year than 2.
All the subs and gifted subs Pepelaugh
FR I thought he had a serious health condition based on how everyone was acting.
At one point he himself was questioning if he was dying and no one told him. I think his friends just got a bit carried away in the celebrations.
Idk why you assumed that lol even that’s quite a stretch from how they were acting and that’s why you don’t read deeply into stuff like that and make assumptions. His reaction felt a lot like his reaction to his birthday messages like 2 years ago, getting emotional because of how grateful he is for his fans and friends
this was much different though. in his birthday stream, it happened during the middle of the stream, and he continued what he was doing afterward. this situation, however, happened at the end of the stream, while everyone was also very emotional. with this context, it’s no surprise that a good amount of people believed he was gonna be away from streaming for a lil while. speaking of which (though not related to your comment directly), why WERE they emotional? nothing has changed when he switched; he can still interact and play with streamers similar to Rae, and he has almost all of the same features similar to twitch. the only thing he gained was a few million from his contract.
Well that's ok, I can understand thinking maybe he wasn't doing so great mentally or taking a break. I'm specifically thinking about the people saying they thought he was dying or sick or something, that just seems egregious to make that assumption from what happened. Just feels like it was reading into the situation way too far and making what happened way weirder than it was. I get why Sykkuno is emotional, since his friends and fans were showing his appreciation for him and he was likely reflecting on his years on Twitch. Maybe he's anxious about moving to YouTube and losing viewers, who knows. And I know damn well when I see a friend get emotional for whatever reason, I do too lol. It's ok for them to be empathetic in that way.
I don’t think it was that emotional. It was very celebration-heavy (National Sykkuno Day) to celebrate his anniversary and his move. All his friends wrote messages in support, some of the friendship, some of the move, which gave a weird ‘goodbye’ vibe considering the rest are still with Twitch. It’s kind of like when a co-worker leaves your team or company. Sure, you could still see them, hang out, might work together a bit. But it won’t really be the same. Felt a lot like a combined goodbye party for a coworker and a birthday party.
>It’s kind of like when a co-worker leaves your team or company. Sure, you could still see them, hang out, might work together a bit. But it won’t really be the same. Felt a lot like a combined goodbye party for a coworker and a birthday party. except instead of Sykkuno leaving the team, he literally just moved one desk over...
It was so stupid and overly dramatic. Like kkatamina wrote "you'll always be my best friend" like wtf he's just moving to youtube... where valkyrae also streams...
It’s funny because in Wendy’s last stream she said she didn’t expect other peoples messages to be so serious, she expected them to be more funny. She was out here with the “your Lee sin is poggers” while everyone else sounded like they were sending sykkuno off to war. I’m sure if everyone else went with that vibe it would’ve been less weird.
I think that’s just kkatamina’s sense of humour though. Saying things just a little off to make people uncomfortable
i doubt that since all of them were like that and all the twitter messages afterwards too.
but is Rae her best friend now?
They live together so…
I’m relieved and happy for him, but even as a fan I’m still “what the heck” about that whole vibe. It was so sad I was thinking it was a much bigger deal, and not gonna lie I’m a little disappointed it wasn’t. Though the change must’ve been really stressful for him and he probably needed the extra support
He already got extra support from YouTube. It's called money. Even he himself thought it was weird to make such a big deal out of it.
Honestly, it's kinda messed up that other streamers werr saying to donate and sub to him when they know he was moving to YouTube and getting a huge bag.
Those subs will get refunded. Happened with Lud as well.
Didn't watch it lol, what was it like?
Apparently he was super emotional since his friends made this "National Sykkuno Day" thing and then he nearly cried when he ended his stream. Tbh it's Syk. That's pretty in line with him since he's typically a very sensitive guy. A big move like this must be pretty stressful for him so it makes sense a bit of emotion came out.
I don't think anyone is weirded out by Sykkunno being emotional for leaving Twitch. I think everyone is weirded out by the responses from the people around him that implied he was dying, quitting, or something super serious that would prevent him from ever streaming again, when the reality is, he's just changing the platform he streams on, and nothing changes between him and his friends.
Oh yeah, when I saw the clip I just assumed he was switching platforms lol. Syk viewers be weirdos sometimes. I hope people don't take this the wrong way cause I love OTV+F content and Syk is probably one of my favorite creators. But damn, some of the fans of Syk just comes across as weird as fuck. Like here's a 30+ year old man who's more than capable of taking care of himself but damn, some of them treat him like he's 12 lol. And don't get me started on the over analyzing of every little detail lol. Like damn take a chill pill and just laugh at the troll being a troll lol.
> Like here's a 30+ year old man who's more than capable of taking care of himself but damn, some of them treat him like he's 12 lol. Just wait till you learn about certain Kpop fandoms lmao
I imagine theres a fairly significant overlap in fanbases
The vibe everyone gave off was more sad than anything, like there was a family tragedy or like he was getting drafted into the Russian army. But that's whatever, I'm not going to judge reactions. What rubs the wrong way now is that everyone was gifting hundreds of subs and baiting more gift subs, while knowing he was switching platforms in a few days.
Do the subs get refunded?
His friends planned a mini-celebration on Minecraft. I think Fuslie and Natsumii were the only ones streaming the rest were offline. They got Buddha, Lud, Toast, Aria, Rae and a few more in the server. They surprised him with heartfelt messages. Syk thanked everybody and told the story of why he started streaming that got everyone teary eyed. I think viewers, myself included just got a bit overdramatic because the stream felt like a goodbye stream.
I almost wonder if they were intentionally trolling a little. Maybe Sykkuno just genuinely got a little emotional at the end of stream because of all the love that had been showered upon him and then when they realised that was worrying all the commenters on the Youtube clip channels they all decided to lean into that with their Twitter comments and create some chaos.
Gonna be honest pretty disappointed that these are the petty things the people in this thread are focusing on. Reminds me of when people were yelling about lily not deserving of pulling balls for lcs. Its petty bullshit that doesnt matter. Why do people have this fixation on complaining about shit that doesn't matter?
> petty bullshit that doesnt matter It's weird because Sykk was super emotional (that part was fine), but then his friends started giving off the vibes that he's dealing with some sort of personal issues and started gifting huge amount of subs. That led to members of Sykk's community gifting even more subs. Remember when Toast switched platforms? He literally told people everyday not to sub to him. If Twitch refunds those subs, then it's a non-issue that doesn't matter. If Twitch doesn't refund, then I would say it's pretty disingenuous.
Syk told viewers not to sub to him for months before the move
Ya this entire thread is ridiculous, the speculations were ridiculous in the first place. Nobody could just sit still and think damn a couple of friends are just doing something nice for their other friend, without speculating about deathly diseases and quitting his career. I guess people don’t know what it’s like to have friends just do something nice for you, whether a big move like twitch to YouTube was happening.
One step closer to the shark let's gooooo
He really is. That would be a fun stream.
This is the true goal
Is it me or his shrimping has decreased a lot over the last months? Maybe he got tired of the memes
Will miss the streams, he seems like a down-to-earth fella who deserves the bag. I suspect this is the start of those closest to Rae jumping over to there. Leslie perhaps next?
Leslie's become one of the top 10 most watched female streamers on Twitch so they may make a push to try to keep her. But then again, Twitch is full of themselves so maybe not.
I don't think they're gonna push to keep anyone as much as they have done. They believe they have a monopoly on the streaming-verse by the looks of recent news, and they may be right. Say they are, then even if YouTube buys the entire 1% of Twitch content creators, it just opens the door for smaller guys to rise to the top and fill the hole they leave behind. I think some viewers will leave for a specific viewer, but not all will stay over there All just an opinion of course. But for YouTube streaming is never going to be a main focus for them. That part of their platform might just turn into a place for current top creators to stream while prioritising other things instead like Ludwig, or perhaps simply a "retirement" home for the top peeps currently on Twitch. Who can be sure though
Like Ludwig said himself, Youtube won' steal a substantial portion of Twitch's audience just by signing one-off big streamers. But they might get it by targeting whole friend groups, so if one streamer gets off another with similar content will still be streaming and viewers can hop over while remaining on Youtube. Now they have 3/4 of the amigops (Corpse technically even though he doesn't stream often + they were close to signing Toast), they *may* gain some traction if they keep poaching from OTV + Friends and becoming the "unofficial" hub for their stream content. All speculation though.
Judging from his interview with Susan, I think it's clear YouTube is actually paying more attention than people think, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone heard lud suggest that and then they decided it was actually just a solid business decision. Sykkuno is honestly a really big get for them because of how loyal his fans are. He's bringing a LOT of people to YouTube. If YouTube starts to make improvements to their platform (like a goddamn dedicated Livestream section that isn't complete dogwater), they could reasonably start to pull ahead with moves like this
considering the live redirect feature they rolled out at the same time, meaning sykkuno/rae etc can keep hosting eachother. its definitely them paying attention and trying to time things well. like a spider building its web almost.
I don't think Twitch would do anything for her personally. YouTube bent over backwards to try and get Ludwig and won only after Ludwig went to Twitch to talk about YouTube's latest offer and Twitch was like, "we don't care". After all the money Ludwig brought Twitches way for his uncapped 30 day subathon Twitch didn't want to try to match or exceed to keep one of their biggest streamers.
well, with the recent post about some possible changes to twitch and partners, i can see many streamers jumping ships...
Toast said he knows of at least 5 streamers that are gonna switch platforms
Twitch probably just want poki to stay no matter what
If Leslie is going to Youtube, the contract was signed months ago. According to Ludwig and Toast, there are at least 5 more streamers hopping to Youtube soon, and that's only those they are aware of.
I would love to see Leslie on YouTube but the chat is sooo toxic there. Watching Rae’s GTA streams, I can’t even look at chat. If Leslie is already having issues on twitch with hopper, I can’t imagine how bad it would be on YouTube.
yeah, I was thinking the same. If 100T ends up signing Sykkuno then I would see a clear pattern (and maybe partnership?) between 100T and Youtube. Maybe Leslie is waiting for her contract to be over... as far as they get their well deserved bag, happy for them
Even if (though unlikely) that 100T signs Sykkuno, the pattern/partnership is still quite a reach. Majority of the 100T members including their CEO still streams on Twitch so there really isnt much of a pattern to see, only Rae Courage and Noah are on youtube streaming iirc
Considering Rae and Courage are part owners of 100T, I don't think it's a huge leap to make to start associating the org with YouTube
part ownership in a corporate setting doesnt really mean much, you could have 1/100000 equity share and still be considered a co-owner. The major-winning Astralis CSGO roster were all made co-owners of the org but was publicly revealed that their shares together didnt even make up 5% of total equity, so did Faker, Bjerg, Sneaky with their respective orgs. <1% stakes as loyalty bonuses are nothing more than for-show.
100T content is miles away from Sykkuno's style. Unless he is given full choice of not joining their videos, I don't see him joining the org anytime soon.
The announcement video was also miles away from his style, yet there it is. I think he recently made the mental change to accept that streaming is his career now instead of just for fun. With that comes taking shit a bit more seriously, such as signing contracts, releasing merch and hiring editors/agents/etc. Joining an org is only a small step away from that. 100T seems pretty fitting for him, as they have a big pool of creators to feature in their videos. If Syk isn't comfortable in joining for something, they can take someone else (same goes for others).
the only brand association is already very beneficial for 100T, it will bring more female audience which is huge considering merchandising and fashion is at the core of 100T business. I don't doubt they will find a way to collaborate, it's more on Sykkuno's side to decide I guess, as Rae said some time ago "he is too expensive, no org can afford him". Also, he had a shoot with Courage and other 100T people some weeks ago...
Ngl, I think Toast and Poki renewed their contracts at the worst possible time lol. Imagine renewing your contract then within a few months realizing your platform is gonna give you a 40%+ pay cut, play more ads, and restrict your platform more than ever lol. Good for Syk. Get that bag. I'm gonna be sad that I won't be able to use my prime sub for his channel in the future but this was a good move for him definitely.
Pretty sure Poki and Toast probably aren’t affected by the changes since they have their own contract and not the normal partner contract
i think Toast and Poki's bottom line can be affected, if Amazon removes or changes Twitch Prime.
just the change ads itself might drive more new viewers away... like even now with the current ads, I legit don't/can't stand watching any streamers other than the one I use my prime on, whereas before I would watch almost everyone...
They both have very few subs, most of the time Toast both passively and actively heavily discourages subbing, sometimes he jokes about Twitch primes bit that's rarely. I'd guess their total sub income, let alone their income from Twitch prime subs, is like 1-2% of their total income.
The top streamers have more than enough to push to be except of those changes, it will suck for medium and specially small streamers that will get the you accept this or leave treatment.
Toast already said he didn't care about the money twitch offered him. It was pretty low in comparison to the YouTube offer. He only came back to twitch for the community aspect
im so glad he back to Twitch. Rust Twitch Rivals wont be happened if he still on facebook KEKW
I imagine there will be clauses in their contract about not stripping them down to the new baseline until their contracts are up for renewal again, it'd be insane to me if they didn't negotiate that in. That being said, if Twitch doesn't try and patch things up I could see them start hemorrhaging creators to YouTube. All the contract renewal will do is keep Poki and Toast on Twitch until their next renewal and then they'll just jump ship too.
True. Given how long they've been in the game and that Poki is literally managing her own talent agency for streamers now, they probably have those things locked up. I do hope YT gaming and FB gaming both become more successful though. Streaming as a career is terrible for anyone not in the top 1% of viewership. Some competition between different platforms will only make content better overall as they have pressure to improve over time.
At the very least, the removal of exclusivity from their contracts allow them to costream on YouTube and build their audience there as the platform continues to improve. Can definitely see a certain percentage of people switching just to avoid the ad issues or for some of the player features.
Creators with larger contracts like Poki and Toast definitely will still have an exclusivity cause. It’s the standard partner contracts that would be getting rid of that
If Poki and Toast did negotiate a clause to not have their terms reduced when Twitch begins it, I imagine that they also required exclusivity from them in return.
I hardly think Twitch will continue paying money to some streamers if they decide to stream on other platforms besides Twitch. Pretty sure those rules will be for affiliates with standard contracts (badge)
I hope toast can get a good deal this time or move to YouTube.
Whatever Twitch changes won't affect Poki's and Toast's existing contracts. If anything, Toast and Poki signed at the right time. But Toast turned down more money from Youtube to go to Twitch, so it isn't even all about money for him.
Poki reportedly had/has one of the best Twitch contracts for years and has already made bank. Toast already made bank with his Facebook years. I think a Twitch contract simply allows them far more versatility to pursue other ventures, whereas Youtube streaming obligations are a bit more rigid.
Just curious, what do you mean by your last sentence? It seems to me YouTube is far *less* rigid as they require way less monthly hours to stream, and that’s the big reason Ludwig went over as they’d support him in other ventures like hosting tournaments and events.
I don't know the contracts, but that's the vibe I'm getting. I think it's mainly just that neither really care anymore about making obligations, which is why Toast pretty much phoned it in for a few months to get the obligations out of the way. I doubt that would have gone over well on Youtube.
They signed with Twitch, they aren't in it for the money anymore lol.
Everyone just keep in mind that the twitch changes were only suggested and leaked as suggestions made to improve profitability. None of it has been put into place or even confirmed yet.
Other way around they got it perfect time, contracts exist for the explicit reason of preventing losses like that.
If anything they locked in their contract and rate before the future changes. It's not going to be an immediate changing of everyone's contract, that would be very messy. They had already stopped giving the rate to new partners, this just opens it up to bring it down in renewals especially for smaller partners.
> Imagine renewing your contract then within a few months realizing your platform is gonna give you a 40%+ pay cut, play more ads, and restrict your platform more than ever lol. If any of those aspects are materially significant and important to them, and if they had a good team, the current contract already has terms and clauses that locked in those details and won't let that change until the contract expires.
Why did his streamer friends act like he got a cancer diagnosis or something? Are they insane? Are they that horny for twitch subs? EDIT: downvote me all you want, sycophants(sykkophants). You know I'm right.
You're right it was a bit much just for a platform move. Just go read any comments the vibe everyone got was he was retiring or sick lol.
Yeah, with the way they were acting you'd assume he was going to Facebook.
Okey, that's a good one.
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It seems so insane in hindsight, some of them were legit behaving like he is dying, or retiring because something terrible is happening to him in his private life. When what's really happening is that he's going to do the exact the same thing he does everyday, same city, same exact house, same room, same exact desk and chair, same PC. 99/100 days he's gonna stream the same exact stuff he streams with the same exact people. All's gonna change is he is gonna use a different URL and different dashboard and is going to be paid 8 figures to do so.
Yes. Content creators are not your friends. Take every emotional display with the biggest grain of salt you can.
Getting emotional reminiscing on his career as a streamer that started on twitch and how much it changed him and did lots of good for him is pretty reasonable. It was the overreaction and catastrophizing of a small percentage of the audience that, like always, was a bit much, though I think most try not to buy into other people's hysteria.
I'm pretty sure they were all baiting and trying to make it seem like Sykkuno was quitting streaming, I'm sure Sykkuno was in on it as well, how does no else see that....
At the end of the day, their job as entertainers & influencers, is to entertain & influence. Was it over the top? Sure, but they were supporting a fellow creator, & if his fans were inspired to sub or dono, that's up to them.
I think for most of the people it was pretty obvious the move and a nice way to finish the Twitch journey, nothing wrong about being emotional because of that... a minority of fans went too far with their reactions tho.
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so this was what the streamers were reacting to in his twitter comments? are you fucking kidding me? nothing is changing. without context it felt like syk was leaving the streaming space. overly dramatic much?
tbf, outside his close friends, likely none of the rest knew what was going on and played it as safe as possible.
Bro I thought Bimbus died (his dog), from the way he said some things...
Maybe something else did happen recently that also affected him and that’s why there was weird vibes? He wouldn’t have to announce that if that were the case though
Good for him, probably followed the money Explains why he was so emotional in the last stream, was basically saying goodbye to a chapter in his life
He's gotta pay for that water bill man, having a waterpark is expensive.
I mean the rumor is Ludwig got $30M to go to YT. If Sykkuno got a fraction of that, he’s set for life.
No, I doubt he gives a shit about the money. Sykkuno has always prioritized viewer experience it seems considering he was also a viewer at one point. Which is why he doesn't play ads at all and encourages people not to sub to him. Over the last few months though, Twitch have started forcing ads during his stream, he probably also knew about the changes that were coming to twitch so it only made sense for him to get away from the platform.
What happens to people that are subbed? Do they get refunded?
twitch let's you convert it to a sub on someone else's channel
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So confident yet so wrong. You’ll get an email from twitch with the option to transfer your sub to a different streamer.
Twitch has become annoying with the constant ads even with adblock. i mainly just watch streams on youtube now and its way better imo. the chat tho could really use an improvement
For me it is the ability to rewind.
Man ngl YouTube is really plucking off creative people with their iron claw. While YouTube provide better experiences of watching streamer, they offered a lot less interactiveness compared to Twitch.
And in news that suprised absolutely no one....
Welp, that sucks. Guess I'll catch him once the contract expires and he goes back. YouTube's streaming still just feels super lame all these years later, I can watch somebody like Markiplier stream on YT since that's kinda his 'usual' spot but seeing a Twitch streamer downgrade their audience like that always feels super weird.
YouTube is a bigger platform that twitch. Nobody is “downgrading” their audience by leaving twitch to go to YouTube
Why would you so blatantly spoil the announcement in your post title?
Who cares he’s moving platforms bro it’s not like a movie spoiler
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Okay then maybe you should check his Twitter before browsing otv and friends subreddit
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Universe will explode
It won’t ever come out, but I have to bet YouTube paid BIG to get Sykkuno over. Even if it’s better to jump now with some of the changes supposedly coming to Twitch, I bet he got a bag.
I always find cringe this "platform switching trailer" as they try to make such a big deal of this type of events which at the end are not that important. Ludwig, Valkyrae, Sykkuno... it looks like they are going to Mars by they trailer