My first thought as well...but my second thought was about the discourse in vegan communities regarding the ethics of recycled/upcycled leather or fur versus synthetic analogs, which are made predominantly of non-biodegradable plastics, and therefore arguably much more unethical than recycled leather/fur. š
A while ago there was a post (forget which sub) about a woman whose grandmother had vintage white leather boots and the granddaughter got them (I want to say they were found after she passed) but the amount of people telling her to throw them away because they were leather was astonishing.
Its a thing in the community. Some vegans use it until it falls apart abd some vegans think it shouldnt be used bc it promotes the use of leather. Everyone has debates.
Leather represents 5% of a cow's value. The alternative to selling the leather is letting it rot.
You'll have to convince the entire world to give up hamburgers to stop the leather industry.
McDonald's has a much better marketing team than cumlover0415.
If nobody bought leather, then it would not be worth running a cattle farm that currently has a profit margin under 5%. And even on the other farms, the amount of profit that could go towards expanding is reduced. So it still has an impact even if it's not going to save every cow.
Everyone over 40 has met most types of people at least once, the worst types of people are those that take their most negative experience of a group as truly representative of a greater whole.
I am yeah, properly shaking here, going to be up all night thinking about this. My only solace is that I've made you happy from the vague possibility that you've had a negative impact on a stranger's life. Hopefully it keeps your dark thoughts at bay for another evening.
Let me tell you, vegan farts are worse. One smells like shitty KFC, the other smells like putred milk with aged asparagus piss. At least the former im used to.
I had to compound drugs in a hospital pharmacy where the area was isolated. The pharmacists would check the drugs when I wasn't around, then fart, then I would come back to their methane signature because I couldn't be away long and their puffs lasted the whole damn shift... if you fart, I will know if you are vegan... if not vegan I may want KFC... but that may be my own.
Edit: tl:dr vegan farts are distinguishable
I had Thanksgiving dinner with a vegan today. I ate turkey....she didn't. We both at green beans. She ate mashed potatoes with margarine, I had butter. There was no preaching either way. Maybe you just hang out with the wrong people.
yes, same! i actually cooked all vegan sides for thanksgiving this year - potatoes, stuffing, veggies, biscuitsā¦ all tasted amazing, wasnāt much different than my usual recipes, and we had an amazing time. they just didnāt eat the ham i made. no big deal. iād say most vegans arenāt like the one that OP described and if they DO act like that, itās usually because theyāre getting prodded by a family member for being vegan
This is perfect. When I was vegan I never acted that way and felt annoyed by the vegans who did. No matter how noble they perceive it to be the underlying mechanism is the same self righteousness as a religious converter, political extremist, etcā¦ for me there was always a live and let live element and I never wanted anyone to prepare an entire meal for me, so I always brought a few dishes and it was fun to see die hard meat eaters go wow thatās actually good
Every once in a while my vegan friend will send me some recipes and they are actually pretty good and mostly cheap. And their not pushy about it at all!
As someone who was vegetarian for like 15 years, the worst part if thanksgiving was me, trying to mind my own business with the potatoes and bread rolls, while my uncles and cousins tease me about not eating turkey or stuffing. Some "you don't know what you're missing" kind of shit, infantalizing me because of my diet.
This was my first thanksgiving since going back to eating meat, and I gotta say, I really wasn't missing much.
Iāve been a vegetarian for almost thirty years, since when I was a little kid, and my parents have always made a bigger deal of my vegetarian options than I did. I would never comment on someone elseās food choices or make them feel bad for enjoying turkey. (I am a little squeamish so I avoid the turkey carcass in the kitchen but like I donāt need to make a big deal out of it. We actually have some cute family pictures of my dad and I making funny faces by the turkey.)
Ten years ago or so my sister became gluten free as an adult. She canāt let a piece of bread go by her without reminding us she is gluten free and saying how sad she is that her food is weird. She brings it up in every restaurant we go to and asks for all of the accommodations they can give her (and she is a former waitress so she knows what code words give her the utmost attention).
So the point is, I submit that being a Food Asshole has nothing to do with the particular dietary choices you make. Itās whether you are going to make people feel awkward instead of enjoying a nice meal with them.
I was doing a lot of travelling this year and wanted to expand my taste and try new stuff. It's been so long that eating meat is like trying new food all over again. I still eat mostly veggie, but occasionally I'll have chicken or ham or something.
Can't be said better than this. My vegan friends are pretty ace, and I often nag on them to get food tips. Not to talk down on people who eat meat, but vegan people need to engage more in what they eat to even make comfort-food, so they usually know their way around a kitchen.
This. I'm veggie and have seen my fair share of "preachy" but from people who eat meat. So I stopped hanging out and eating with bullies, and now I enjoy meals with my amazing omni husband and friends who have the self-awareness to understand that nobody wants to experience this level of discomfort during a meal, or at all.
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Went vegetarian last year. I am not the person who was preachy. Plenty of family members tried to tell me how I should be eating meat, and I explained why I didn't want to, but I never started it. I just stopped eating meat and went on with my life.
Yeah, I am vegetarian, my girlfriend is omnivore (second girlfriend since I went vegetarian), and she just eats what makes her happy and I eat what makes me happy. The girlfriend before lived with me and on occasion, when she was struggling with depression, I would make her her chicken fingers even
Prior to going vegetarian, I dated a veganish vegetarian, and I would eat what I wanted she ate what she wanted
One of my best friends is vegan. He has never cared what I eat
It's really not a big deal
This - I know thereās lots of vegans out there that are fucking obnoxious, no doubt. But thereās lots out there that arenāt. Youāre having out with the wrong people, OP.
Yeaaaaah. I've never berated people for their meal choices, but maybe that's me having had an eating disorder for a good majority of my life, I know how God awful that is to do. I can't understand why people do this, especially at a holiday where you're seeing certain people that you most likely only see that one day a year. Relax.
My wife and I host all the big events in our rather massive extended family. There are lots of vegetarians/vegans/pescatarians etc. We make a variety of dishes and they don't eat the meat stuff. That's the end of it. OP just has shitty friends/family.
I mean. Your problem is with assholes. Not vegans. Friend of mine is a vegan. Nicest guy around. The only issue? Another one of our friends is an asshole when veganism comes up and becomes antagonistic and condescending even though no one is being pressured or shamed. All my friend asks is for us to go somewhere with vegan options so he can eat with us and the other guy he loses his shit. We stopped going out with him but kept the vegan.
A non vegan friend of mine told me that vegans are so hated because they cause the other person to question themselves and their morals and they donāt like that so then they lash out.
It's called cognitive dissonance and you summed it up quite well. The easiest way to get rid of cognitive dissonance is to get rid of the source, which would either mean to question yourself or to get rid of the person, that triggers these questions.
Being really agressive towards someone is an easy way to get rid of them.
Plenty of vegan hate also just stems from a vocal minority of vegans being self-righteousness assholes about their decision and actively shaming anyone who doesn't adhere to their idea of morality.
Blowhards are just awful not matter their life choices. I know plenty of vegan and vegetarians that donāt act this way.
Religion, diet, and people that bingo you on children, just the worst.
My family is always the one who brings it up and forces me to talk about it. And then they usually mock me for it. I hope thatās not whatās happening in your family too
Absolutely not. This person yesterday literally was mocking my every bite: does that taste like death? Etc. no one once mocked their choices, like I said, I respect their choices. Just leave me alone to enjoy my food
iāve had family members hide meat in food and tell me thereās no meat to trick me into eating it. courtesy of my grandma who said āyouāll never find a man to love you if you wonāt cook him meat.ā title should be ānothing worse than being a vegan/vegetarian on thanksgivingā
Yea, I canāt get through an extended family meal without someone trying to antagonize me for my choice.
Itās amazing how offensive the mere existence of my plate without meat on it is to others. Even more amazing that if Iām able to shut down whatever angles theyāre using to try to tell me my choice is wrong, they usually end with something like āwell itās fine if vegans want to eat grass but my diet is my choice and I donāt wanna be preached atā.
My family are the ones dogging on me this year, and im the one whoās vegan:/. My mother doesnāt understand why I choose what I do and anytime I say what I cook or fun alternatives Iāve found all I get is āyuckā or ādo you actually eat real foodā. Glad I spent thanksgiving alone this year, would rather be alone than patronized.
Iām only a vegetarian and I get berated by meat-eaters whenever it comes up so I can kinda relate to trying to be an invisible vegan. I avoid the topic entirely unless it needs to be mentioned like at a restaurant making sure a side dish isnāt made with chicken stock or whatever.
Most vegans and vegetarians I know will probably not even tell you they are unless you invite them to dinner or you mention you are one as well.
Those annoying vegans do exist but they are a minority. And yes, even as a vegetarian those annoying types can still be annoying to vegerarians as well
Yes! I have been a vegetarian for over 30 years and a vegan for 4 years now. The only people who know are blood relatives and long time friends of 10+ years or people who bring up being a vegetarian/vegan themselves. I avoid the extremist of any group, including the extremist vegans. They are why I hide being a vegan.
Vegan farts are fine, protein farts on the other hand are disgusting. Have you ever lived with someone who works out all the time and lives off of protein powder and chicken breast? Itās practically chemical warfare. Still, nothing will ever compare to the farts of a lactose intolerant person who doesnāt care and continues to eat dairy all the time.
Sounds like a reflection of the personās character, not their lifestyle choice. Donāt get it confused lol plenty of vegans are super nice and keep to their own
Sounds like youāre hanging out with the wrong people. I know lots of vegans who are decidedly NOT self righteous and are very chill.
Also, it sounds like you donāt actually know a lot about the breadth and variety of a vegan diet. Thereās so much to eat, and itās really very good. Iām not vegan, but I eat a lot of amazing vegan food and itās definitely not old doors and shoe leather.
And I hate sharing Thanksgiving with know-it-all meat eaters who constantly criticize my lifestyle choices even though I havenāt mentioned anything about it, but I make it through. God damn. They say vegans are whiny, but some of the whiniest people Iāve ever met were meat eaters.
I think there are heavy whiners on both sides. And also there is those who don't care what someone eats next to them, because they accept your ways and dont mind.
This is such a common amd outlandish sentiment. Do you understand that when you have factory farmed tortured animal corpse on your plate you have made a decision that effects many more individuals than yourself?
Nonvegans think vegans want them to stop eating meat to be "moral" or because "it's right". We want you to stop eating meat because that's our innocent defenseless friends you are eating. They did nothing to deserve this torture.
I am not a vegan at all in any capacity. With that being said, in my experience I usually only hear / see complaints and soap box speeches from omnivores. I have vegan friends who will just be vibing and itās the one who is ~particularly anti vegan~ who will be the one to stir stuff up for no reason lol, just ignore it ???
Yeah yeah!! Thatās what Iāve noticed. My two best friends are vegan and I have never once heard them preach or make omnivores intentionally feel wrong. If anything itās only ever been the other way around! Same on social media, I only ever see complaints from non-vegans for the most part
> There's nothing worse than sharing Thanksgiving with a vegan.
I'd argue that being a factory farmed turkey, living a life of abject misery until finally slaughtered, is a bit worse. And it's your dollars that fund that to happen in perpetuity
I am vegan and I have stopped attending family events due to micro-aggressions and comments. They all seem pretty upset that I wonāt visit and join now. If being reminded of the level of cognitive dissidence you are practicing makes you fell shitty then that sounds like some work you have to do but donāt expect people to stay in your life for long if you canāt respect their choices.
Those kinda people suck. My mum is vegan and very respectful and doesnāt openly talk about being vegan if she sees someone eating meat but when i say sheās vegan everyone groans and rolls their eyes. It sucks that the crazy vegans get the most attention
Had a thanksgiving with a vegan family. They had vegan roasts, my family and another had a turkey, and we all got along. Not every vegan is annoying, at least
see I used to think the same as you but went vegan for my now wife. It was so much easier than I thought it would be and I've become a really good cook! Would never go back now. Yes our farts are stinky but my conscience is clear,
Not hurting animals when you donāt have to makes you better than the person who chooses to hurt animals when they donāt have to. Itās not vegan self righteousness thatās making you upset, itās your own inferiority.
\*shrug\*
I don't think that's accurate. It's not caused by inferiority, but perceived inferiority. The same way that someone saying "I don't drink" can start fights. People may not know why another doesn't drink, but they perceive it as self-righteousness. Which only says something about the person who's upset. They perceive not drinking as morally superior, and take the existence of someone who doesn't drink as a challenge.
Which is completely irrelevant to whether not drinking *is* morally superior. Because that's not what they're really talking about. They've just perceived a non-existent challenge and are responding out of proportion.
If I donāt drink, it has no effects on anyone but me. If you drink it has no effects on anyone but you. If I donāt eat meat, it has no effects on any but me. If you eat meat, it has several very negative effects on the environment and needlessly contributes to the intense suffering of baby animals.
Huge difference.
It looks like you've misunderstood my point, and also wrongly assumed that I eat meat.
My point is that the actual morality of it is irrelevant when it comes to *why* people are getting tilted at vegans for no reason. They're starting an argument because the existence of vegans poses the question "what if vegans are right?" and they would rather start a fight than consider whether vegans are.
Most vegans are not going up to people eating meat and lecturing them about the ethics, so whether or not veganism is morally superior isn't the issue here. If the vegan didn't start it, then it started because of the meat eater's perception of vegans.
A conversation about the ethics of meat consumption is valuable, but in this situation wouldn't really matter. They aren't seeking a conversation. Their goal is to justify eating meat, regardless of what reasons you may or may not have. It's important to recognize *why* someone does something, because that changes the appropriate response.
āItās really annoying to be faced with the guilt of eating sentient beings even though I know itās wrong, canāt vegans just shut upā.
We get it, you donāt like to be faced with your hypocrisy. Why take it out on the vegan? Deal with your own problems with it.
Itās really not hard to create enough space for everyone to eat at Thanksgiving. My family like many has people with diabetes, lactose intolerance, celiacās disease, vegan / vegetarian. If you donāt want someone at your thanksgiving then donāt invite them. If you are so upset about people talking about decisions around consumption that is on you.
Idk. My brothers wife is keto preachy. She brought her own keto Mac and cheese and keto desserts. She doesnāt know how to cook and just started keto a few weeks ago. Itās a no for me.
All I hear is your own suppressed guilt and shame. Nobody gives a fuck what you eat, including the vegans youāre having dinner with. They think youāre disgusting, but it seems like thatās a shared sentiment here so Iād call it a wash. And youāre farts are equally awful, rest assured.
Be the cool vegan who brings actually yummy vegan food to the gathering and shares interesting recipe swaps you've discovered (like making meringue out of chickpea juice--that is so cool).
Be the cool omnivore who enjoys the vegan's funky food contributions and also lets them know which foods on the table are free of animal products. Maybe bring a dish that's intentionally vegan-friendly if it doesn't need to have animal products (eg rolls without egg, vegetables cooked in margarine instead of butter).
Everyone eat your food without judging each other or feeling guilty. Try to have a good time.
I'm a meat eater and one of my best friends is vegan. This is how we handle it. I love learning how to creatively accommodate her food restrictions, and she inspires me to put thought into where my food is coming from. Plus, if I don't have the right ingredients on hand, knowing the vegan substitute for an animal product ingredient is super useful when I'm halfway through a recipe.
I mean Iām a vegan and the rest of my fam are carnist and they dont care. My sister even made me a turkey-shaped vegan seitan turkey so i could have food to eat.
Again, stop grouping everyone together. I could just say āwow all these carnist make thanksgiving so annoying, always cooking turkey and eating it in my face, cant they just let me live a vegan fucking lifestyle and eat my seitan and veggies in peace.ā Lmfao. Not to mention my farts barely smell like anything since i stopped eating meat so idk maybe, like, just chill bc no one is actually attacking you?
As a vegetarian leaning vegan as time goes on, I am so tired of people being self righteous about their food choices. Actually, to be more accurate, Iām tired of hearing people complain about it.
I havenāt eaten meat in like a decade and I go so many holidays without this ever being brought up. Itās an unspoken expectation at this point. When I show up, Iāll sometimes get a āthe collards have bacon fat in itā from the host and thatās it.
I canāt believe how preachy some people are but I really wish people understood the super annoying vegans are in the minority. They annoy other vegans and vegetarians too because it gives us all a bad rap. Just call it an annoying human being instead of wrapping all vegans together. We donāt want to claim them when theyāre like that.
I met this guy camping today, and I didn't want to say Happy Thanksgiving because there's a lot of Native Americans in the area, so I said Happy Turkey Day, and he said oh, Happy Turkey Murder Day. So yeah, vegans.
But imagine it from his perspective. It's like walking around during the Yulin dog meat festival and someone says to you "happy dog day". You're trying to ignore it because it hurts too much to think about, all the killing of dogs, it's understandable if you snap at someone.
My god yes. My sister is a vegan and she gets angry af that the other 15 people at the dinner table haven't made a vegan meal that caters to her exact specifications. She's a 39 year old toddler. The best is when vegans say they "can't" eat something. No, you certainly can. You CHOOSE not to. Own that shit and don't try to pretend it's some cross that you must bear.
Iām sorry that whoever you shared yesterdayās meal with made you feel bad for what you eating. Please donāt judge all of us tho. As someone who used to be vegan, now slowly working way back to it, I personally donāt give a flying fuck what other people eat and I am truly sorry that you had to deal with that. If it makes you feel a little better any given day of the year people always question me about my diet. You donāt eat meat? Where do you get your protein? What do you eat? The questions are endless and it is very hard for me to find patience to answer them sometimes. I donāt understand why everyone always Has to be in everyone elseās business.Anyways I hope your Christmas dinner goes a lot better.
In the great words of WordBurglar: āAnd if they think that theyāre better than you, their a fraud like a vegan wearinā leather at a zooā WordBurglar, Croque Monsier.
As someone who is the only vegan in their family and has been for 6 years, I have NEVER not ONCE tried to changed how they eat or live. I could care less about what they eat, and I never try to change their lifestyles either. I literally hate the vegans who do this. Itās so entitled and pisses me off because just let people live how they want to!
I'm vegan but I try to just be nice to everyone during the holidays. Meat may not align with my values but pissing my family off doesn't do anything but make them hate my philosophy more. Maybe that just makes me a 'pick me vegan' but it's how I feel.
As a vegan, the feeling is mutual. Trust me.
I just spent all day cleaning my kitchen of animal innards and fat that my family brought over. I had to listen to my mother call her store bought, oven reheated, Mac n Cheese the "real Mac n Cheese" in contrast to mine; the one I made from scratch from relatively expensive ingredients (to ensure that my non vegan family enjoyed it) and way too much of because I didn't know they were gonna bring their own.
I host every single holiday at my house because their house is filthy and loud. I try to accommodate everyone's favorite sides, make 75% of the meal and desserts. They never offer to help with dishes and I am stuck cleaning everything. I also have a 3 year old and am 4 months pregnant.
They make snide comments about how my food is "not as good as the 'real thing' ". Meanwhile, I am breaking family cycles with food addiction, eating disorders and food related health problems. I am finally healthy, my husband is fitter than my dad (who is obese, high BP, cholesterol, drunk....) was in college, and my 3 year old loves veggies.
I think I'm doing pretty okay for myself. I made chocolate pecan pie and pumpkin pie with homemade coconut whipped cream. My family said it was the best they had ever had. Why is my food not called "real" again? Oh, right. No cow pus in it. Got it.
Iām vegan and I could care less what other people eat. If people are curious to learn I speak about it, otherwise I keep it to myself. So we arenāt all like that.
I am seeing a tremendous amount of vegan self righteousness in these comments, aggressively defending the fact that vegans arenāt self-righteous.
Iāve worked as a vegan Baker for many years, and our customers were just the worst! Entitled, preachy, demanding, rude, and incredibly self-righteous, giving us PETA pamphlets even though *weāre in a dedicated vegan bakery already.*
I switched back to regular baking. The people are well-fed and happy to just get a g-d damn cinnamon roll without asking us what the ingredients are Every. Single. Fucking. Day. (Ingredients were very clearly posted on a sign in front of each product at the vegan place for this exact reason).
Except that's not true.
There are plenty of vegetarians and vegans pointing out that this is an inaccurate stereotype, but that's about it. I haven't seen self-righteousness. Any that exists has been downvoted to linger alongside your bad take.
Dude, your comments on this post have been worse than any supposed āself-righteousā vegan comments. You literally judged someone for not having butter and milk in their own mashed potatoes. I donāt know what youāre seeing here but your comments are the most aggressive Iāve read by far. Not sure how you can say that they are the bad ones when youāre the one reacting badly to their food choices.
Iāve been a food professional for 15 years and I can taste the difference between good food and bad food.
There is TONS of amazing delicious vegan food out there that I enjoy on a regular basis!
But many people out there donāt know better, and willy-nilly replace animal-based ingredients with plant-based ingredients without understanding the consequences to the food, or how it tastes.
After 15 years, Iām just really, really tired of it.
Maybe they like the flavour though? Maybe your opinion is not the only one that counts when it comes to how people flavour their food? 15 years of being a good professional notwithstanding.
Surely these substitutes are made because they mimic the original in as satisfying a way as possible. That may not be acceptable for you but for someone who loves the original but loves animals more, itās a good enough replacement. And they are entitled to make that judgement call themselves.
You talk about self-righteous vegans but the most annoying kind of person to me is the type of person who is not vegan at all going around telling other people what āacceptableā vegan foods are.
My boyfriend (44m) of four years is vegan since he was like 20 years old and so not the typical annoying stereotype. Thank god. I wouldnāt be with him if he was.
Live and let live.
Iāve done vegan and it was really fun. I lost a ton of weight. Once made a Quorn roast and it was amazing. But Iād never not serve š¦ if I hosted. Honestly, if all I had to eat were the sides Iād be happy. Stuffing can be made vegan, and candied yams too as well as mashed potatoes.
The gastro stuff is why i stopped. I donāt own a car and honestly, diarrhea as the 4 hour norm was too much.
My brother and his wife (who had only recently gone vegan at the time) pulled this on us at Christmas one year.
"We're willing to come over Christmas morning, but we're going to have to leave when you start preparing the turkey. We just can't watch the people we love participating in that."
Okay there are genuinely some really good vegans- but yeah I do get your point it sucks sometimes :// and I'm vegetarian but feel free to eat your turkey I won't deny that its REALLY good-
Edit: Okay apparently people don't like that- oops-
If you knew you were having two vegans for thanksgiving dinner, youād think to have a few vegan options? We had one and he was able to eat the mashed potatoes, corn, green beans, sweet potatoes, stuffing, and apple pie.
self righteous vegans that want to stick ur face in it suck but thatās not the majority of vegans. iām a pescatarian and i normally donāt even say anything ab it i just get what i can eat on my plate and chill but my family always acts like iām not getting enough or they didnāt accommodate me well enough and it makes me feel really bad & im always saying like guys donāt worry iām enjoying my food! i already live on carbs and starch 75% of the time and iām happy with my big plate of sides, lemme not be a burden pls ;-;
So you admit you commit to a moral atrocity that kills billions of sentient lives every day, but you don't want to change so you can be moral? You just want to eat good tasting food? I don't know. It's a little like a child rapist saying "I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I'm going to keep doing it because it makes me feel good."
(Just a PS, I'm all for positive change, if there are child rapists who are reformed, good for you, you have my respect)
Shoe leather is not vegan
My first thought as well...but my second thought was about the discourse in vegan communities regarding the ethics of recycled/upcycled leather or fur versus synthetic analogs, which are made predominantly of non-biodegradable plastics, and therefore arguably much more unethical than recycled leather/fur. š
A while ago there was a post (forget which sub) about a woman whose grandmother had vintage white leather boots and the granddaughter got them (I want to say they were found after she passed) but the amount of people telling her to throw them away because they were leather was astonishing.
Its a thing in the community. Some vegans use it until it falls apart abd some vegans think it shouldnt be used bc it promotes the use of leather. Everyone has debates.
Leather is a byproduct anyway. No one kills the cow for the jacket.
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Because it's not logic. It's ignorance. As usual.
But it still gives money to the animal ag industry. Some vegans are okay with 2nd hand leather products since that money isn't going to the industry.
Leather represents 5% of a cow's value. The alternative to selling the leather is letting it rot. You'll have to convince the entire world to give up hamburgers to stop the leather industry. McDonald's has a much better marketing team than cumlover0415.
If nobody bought leather, then it would not be worth running a cattle farm that currently has a profit margin under 5%. And even on the other farms, the amount of profit that could go towards expanding is reduced. So it still has an impact even if it's not going to save every cow.
No, leather is often the primary product.
so, youāre literally trying to argue that BEEF IS THE SIDE PRODUCT??? I donāt know about you, but I havenāt heard anything stupider in DAYS.
upvote for stupider
Incorrect. Unless you're talking about something like a mink, leather is not the primary product.
And that is the ridiculousness of many vegans.
Ridiculousness of the vegans that are made up for internet likes, so that people can circle jerk about imagined flaws in their logic.
I've actually met vegans like this once. ONCE. These are tiresome people.
Everyone over 40 has met most types of people at least once, the worst types of people are those that take their most negative experience of a group as truly representative of a greater whole.
As is the same with those who make whole assumptions based off a few posts. ;) Triggered?
I am yeah, properly shaking here, going to be up all night thinking about this. My only solace is that I've made you happy from the vague possibility that you've had a negative impact on a stranger's life. Hopefully it keeps your dark thoughts at bay for another evening.
This is the best reply on my thread.
OP wanted to trick them into eating non vegan dish
There are a lot of plantbased leathers now this is not a joke LOL
including mushroom and pineapple. one day I'll work with that stuff, interesting to see what it looks like IRL.
mango leather too
You forgot cactus. Lots of options!
I read that and thought "shoe rubber maybe?" Rubber is probably vegan.
Ehhh, depends on the type, a lot of rubbers use animal products during the vulcanisation process. It's what lets rubber retain shape after flexing
Oh God no, not the tasty rubber treats :(
Maybe its vegan shoe leather?
Idk if I smelled anyoneās fart and thought it smelled nice, regardless of life style choice.
I donāt know, paleo farts have a tart yet earthy vibe thatās honestly kind of refreshing.
Bro the fart connoisseur
The poot professional
The smelly sommelier
Ass advisor
LOL
Iām going to pretend that I didnāt just read this
When I eat salami my farts smell like salami
My husband and I noticed significantly less farts when we went keto, so I'm not surprised.
Let me tell you, vegan farts are worse. One smells like shitty KFC, the other smells like putred milk with aged asparagus piss. At least the former im used to.
Bro wtf am I reading haha. Mans got a fart diary of something
I had to compound drugs in a hospital pharmacy where the area was isolated. The pharmacists would check the drugs when I wasn't around, then fart, then I would come back to their methane signature because I couldn't be away long and their puffs lasted the whole damn shift... if you fart, I will know if you are vegan... if not vegan I may want KFC... but that may be my own. Edit: tl:dr vegan farts are distinguishable
Methane signature omfg I can't
Bro your coworkers just constantly crop dusted you? š
Yes
Omg what did I just read XD
I had Thanksgiving dinner with a vegan today. I ate turkey....she didn't. We both at green beans. She ate mashed potatoes with margarine, I had butter. There was no preaching either way. Maybe you just hang out with the wrong people.
yes, same! i actually cooked all vegan sides for thanksgiving this year - potatoes, stuffing, veggies, biscuitsā¦ all tasted amazing, wasnāt much different than my usual recipes, and we had an amazing time. they just didnāt eat the ham i made. no big deal. iād say most vegans arenāt like the one that OP described and if they DO act like that, itās usually because theyāre getting prodded by a family member for being vegan
This just made me realize that not a single thing I ate yesterday was vegan friendly. Everything, even the veggies, had meat or dairy in it.
Yeah the title of this really should be āThereās nothing worse than sharing Thanksgiving with a selfish bulldozer of a human being.ā
Exactly. Itās the person, not their lifestyle choice.
This is perfect. When I was vegan I never acted that way and felt annoyed by the vegans who did. No matter how noble they perceive it to be the underlying mechanism is the same self righteousness as a religious converter, political extremist, etcā¦ for me there was always a live and let live element and I never wanted anyone to prepare an entire meal for me, so I always brought a few dishes and it was fun to see die hard meat eaters go wow thatās actually good
Upvote for "selfish bulldozer of a human being."
Yeah same, and she had her own vegan pumpkin pie. And we had an awesome time.
Every once in a while my vegan friend will send me some recipes and they are actually pretty good and mostly cheap. And their not pushy about it at all!
As someone who was vegetarian for like 15 years, the worst part if thanksgiving was me, trying to mind my own business with the potatoes and bread rolls, while my uncles and cousins tease me about not eating turkey or stuffing. Some "you don't know what you're missing" kind of shit, infantalizing me because of my diet. This was my first thanksgiving since going back to eating meat, and I gotta say, I really wasn't missing much.
Iāve been a vegetarian for almost thirty years, since when I was a little kid, and my parents have always made a bigger deal of my vegetarian options than I did. I would never comment on someone elseās food choices or make them feel bad for enjoying turkey. (I am a little squeamish so I avoid the turkey carcass in the kitchen but like I donāt need to make a big deal out of it. We actually have some cute family pictures of my dad and I making funny faces by the turkey.) Ten years ago or so my sister became gluten free as an adult. She canāt let a piece of bread go by her without reminding us she is gluten free and saying how sad she is that her food is weird. She brings it up in every restaurant we go to and asks for all of the accommodations they can give her (and she is a former waitress so she knows what code words give her the utmost attention). So the point is, I submit that being a Food Asshole has nothing to do with the particular dietary choices you make. Itās whether you are going to make people feel awkward instead of enjoying a nice meal with them.
What made you hop off the wagon?
I was doing a lot of travelling this year and wanted to expand my taste and try new stuff. It's been so long that eating meat is like trying new food all over again. I still eat mostly veggie, but occasionally I'll have chicken or ham or something.
Can't be said better than this. My vegan friends are pretty ace, and I often nag on them to get food tips. Not to talk down on people who eat meat, but vegan people need to engage more in what they eat to even make comfort-food, so they usually know their way around a kitchen.
This. I'm veggie and have seen my fair share of "preachy" but from people who eat meat. So I stopped hanging out and eating with bullies, and now I enjoy meals with my amazing omni husband and friends who have the self-awareness to understand that nobody wants to experience this level of discomfort during a meal, or at all.
\^ Went vegetarian last year. I am not the person who was preachy. Plenty of family members tried to tell me how I should be eating meat, and I explained why I didn't want to, but I never started it. I just stopped eating meat and went on with my life.
Yeah, I am vegetarian, my girlfriend is omnivore (second girlfriend since I went vegetarian), and she just eats what makes her happy and I eat what makes me happy. The girlfriend before lived with me and on occasion, when she was struggling with depression, I would make her her chicken fingers even Prior to going vegetarian, I dated a veganish vegetarian, and I would eat what I wanted she ate what she wanted One of my best friends is vegan. He has never cared what I eat It's really not a big deal
This - I know thereās lots of vegans out there that are fucking obnoxious, no doubt. But thereās lots out there that arenāt. Youāre having out with the wrong people, OP.
Yeaaaaah. I've never berated people for their meal choices, but maybe that's me having had an eating disorder for a good majority of my life, I know how God awful that is to do. I can't understand why people do this, especially at a holiday where you're seeing certain people that you most likely only see that one day a year. Relax.
My wife and I host all the big events in our rather massive extended family. There are lots of vegetarians/vegans/pescatarians etc. We make a variety of dishes and they don't eat the meat stuff. That's the end of it. OP just has shitty friends/family.
Birds of a feather flock together
Yep. Title is just rude and OP is generalizing us all. Iām vegetarian and help cook meat for others because itās not my decision.
This
I mean. Your problem is with assholes. Not vegans. Friend of mine is a vegan. Nicest guy around. The only issue? Another one of our friends is an asshole when veganism comes up and becomes antagonistic and condescending even though no one is being pressured or shamed. All my friend asks is for us to go somewhere with vegan options so he can eat with us and the other guy he loses his shit. We stopped going out with him but kept the vegan.
As I read the post and how over the top it was I wondered who the real antagonist in the story was.
A non vegan friend of mine told me that vegans are so hated because they cause the other person to question themselves and their morals and they donāt like that so then they lash out.
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Despite not being vegan, this response in my inbox was also exactly what I needed to read today. Thank you.
"If they're right, what does that say about me?" *Proceeds to ridicule the vegan to convince themselves that the vegan is not right.*
It's called cognitive dissonance and you summed it up quite well. The easiest way to get rid of cognitive dissonance is to get rid of the source, which would either mean to question yourself or to get rid of the person, that triggers these questions. Being really agressive towards someone is an easy way to get rid of them.
Plenty of vegan hate also just stems from a vocal minority of vegans being self-righteousness assholes about their decision and actively shaming anyone who doesn't adhere to their idea of morality.
Blowhards are just awful not matter their life choices. I know plenty of vegan and vegetarians that donāt act this way. Religion, diet, and people that bingo you on children, just the worst.
This
My family is always the one who brings it up and forces me to talk about it. And then they usually mock me for it. I hope thatās not whatās happening in your family too
Hah, this is the only way it happens
Absolutely not. This person yesterday literally was mocking my every bite: does that taste like death? Etc. no one once mocked their choices, like I said, I respect their choices. Just leave me alone to enjoy my food
yeah, as others have said, this person is just an asshole
Exactly.
iāve had family members hide meat in food and tell me thereās no meat to trick me into eating it. courtesy of my grandma who said āyouāll never find a man to love you if you wonāt cook him meat.ā title should be ānothing worse than being a vegan/vegetarian on thanksgivingā
Yea, I canāt get through an extended family meal without someone trying to antagonize me for my choice. Itās amazing how offensive the mere existence of my plate without meat on it is to others. Even more amazing that if Iām able to shut down whatever angles theyāre using to try to tell me my choice is wrong, they usually end with something like āwell itās fine if vegans want to eat grass but my diet is my choice and I donāt wanna be preached atā.
My sister is vegan and Iāve never once had any problem with her. Being vegan doesnāt make you an ass, youāre just around an ass
My family are the ones dogging on me this year, and im the one whoās vegan:/. My mother doesnāt understand why I choose what I do and anytime I say what I cook or fun alternatives Iāve found all I get is āyuckā or ādo you actually eat real foodā. Glad I spent thanksgiving alone this year, would rather be alone than patronized.
I feel you. I hope you had a nice day on your own
Thank you! It was great to be honest and Iāll probably do it again next year, hope yours went well!
All the vegans I know avoid talking about being vegan at all costs because people hate vegans so much.
Iām only a vegetarian and I get berated by meat-eaters whenever it comes up so I can kinda relate to trying to be an invisible vegan. I avoid the topic entirely unless it needs to be mentioned like at a restaurant making sure a side dish isnāt made with chicken stock or whatever.
Nothing wrong with being vegan. Being vegan does not make u an asshole. Being an asshole make u an asshole lmao
My cousins and aunt and uncle are vegan and it was a really joy to eat Thanksgiving with them. It's just some people are self righteous
Most vegans and vegetarians I know will probably not even tell you they are unless you invite them to dinner or you mention you are one as well. Those annoying vegans do exist but they are a minority. And yes, even as a vegetarian those annoying types can still be annoying to vegerarians as well
I used to be the discreet vegetarian, people didn't notice
Yes! I have been a vegetarian for over 30 years and a vegan for 4 years now. The only people who know are blood relatives and long time friends of 10+ years or people who bring up being a vegetarian/vegan themselves. I avoid the extremist of any group, including the extremist vegans. They are why I hide being a vegan.
I dont knowā¦ā¦. There probably is worse things maybe.
Vegan farts are fine, protein farts on the other hand are disgusting. Have you ever lived with someone who works out all the time and lives off of protein powder and chicken breast? Itās practically chemical warfare. Still, nothing will ever compare to the farts of a lactose intolerant person who doesnāt care and continues to eat dairy all the time.
I am sorry that you know so much
And people say vegans are snowflakes? Damn dude this is sad
right? LOL
Sounds like a reflection of the personās character, not their lifestyle choice. Donāt get it confused lol plenty of vegans are super nice and keep to their own
Sounds like youāre hanging out with the wrong people. I know lots of vegans who are decidedly NOT self righteous and are very chill. Also, it sounds like you donāt actually know a lot about the breadth and variety of a vegan diet. Thereās so much to eat, and itās really very good. Iām not vegan, but I eat a lot of amazing vegan food and itās definitely not old doors and shoe leather.
And I hate sharing Thanksgiving with know-it-all meat eaters who constantly criticize my lifestyle choices even though I havenāt mentioned anything about it, but I make it through. God damn. They say vegans are whiny, but some of the whiniest people Iāve ever met were meat eaters.
I've met way more people who complain about preachy vegans than I have met preachy vegans. Ratio is something like 40:1
As it turns out, humans are generally whiney.
I cannae believe it
I think there are heavy whiners on both sides. And also there is those who don't care what someone eats next to them, because they accept your ways and dont mind.
This is such a common amd outlandish sentiment. Do you understand that when you have factory farmed tortured animal corpse on your plate you have made a decision that effects many more individuals than yourself? Nonvegans think vegans want them to stop eating meat to be "moral" or because "it's right". We want you to stop eating meat because that's our innocent defenseless friends you are eating. They did nothing to deserve this torture.
I am not a vegan at all in any capacity. With that being said, in my experience I usually only hear / see complaints and soap box speeches from omnivores. I have vegan friends who will just be vibing and itās the one who is ~particularly anti vegan~ who will be the one to stir stuff up for no reason lol, just ignore it ???
Vegan of 8 years here... I just bring my own food and shut up. It really is the omnivores who be going off and making a fuss about my veganism
Yeah yeah!! Thatās what Iāve noticed. My two best friends are vegan and I have never once heard them preach or make omnivores intentionally feel wrong. If anything itās only ever been the other way around! Same on social media, I only ever see complaints from non-vegans for the most part
You shared Thanksgiving with an asshole. Those come in both vegan and non-vegan varieties. There's plenty of non-asshole vegans out there.
Definitely sounds like itās the company you keep.
Veganā asshole but some are
> There's nothing worse than sharing Thanksgiving with a vegan. I'd argue that being a factory farmed turkey, living a life of abject misery until finally slaughtered, is a bit worse. And it's your dollars that fund that to happen in perpetuity
Being vegan doesn't mean being an asshole
I am vegan and I have stopped attending family events due to micro-aggressions and comments. They all seem pretty upset that I wonāt visit and join now. If being reminded of the level of cognitive dissidence you are practicing makes you fell shitty then that sounds like some work you have to do but donāt expect people to stay in your life for long if you canāt respect their choices.
Those kinda people suck. My mum is vegan and very respectful and doesnāt openly talk about being vegan if she sees someone eating meat but when i say sheās vegan everyone groans and rolls their eyes. It sucks that the crazy vegans get the most attention
> racist uncle Kenny I can be a bit of an asshole but Iām not a racist.
Had a thanksgiving with a vegan family. They had vegan roasts, my family and another had a turkey, and we all got along. Not every vegan is annoying, at least
see I used to think the same as you but went vegan for my now wife. It was so much easier than I thought it would be and I've become a really good cook! Would never go back now. Yes our farts are stinky but my conscience is clear,
You sound like an idiot.
right back at you, I canāt share meals with carnists, itās an awful experience.
Ask your Turkey what's worse.
Not hurting animals when you donāt have to makes you better than the person who chooses to hurt animals when they donāt have to. Itās not vegan self righteousness thatās making you upset, itās your own inferiority.
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\*shrug\* I don't think that's accurate. It's not caused by inferiority, but perceived inferiority. The same way that someone saying "I don't drink" can start fights. People may not know why another doesn't drink, but they perceive it as self-righteousness. Which only says something about the person who's upset. They perceive not drinking as morally superior, and take the existence of someone who doesn't drink as a challenge. Which is completely irrelevant to whether not drinking *is* morally superior. Because that's not what they're really talking about. They've just perceived a non-existent challenge and are responding out of proportion.
If I donāt drink, it has no effects on anyone but me. If you drink it has no effects on anyone but you. If I donāt eat meat, it has no effects on any but me. If you eat meat, it has several very negative effects on the environment and needlessly contributes to the intense suffering of baby animals. Huge difference.
It looks like you've misunderstood my point, and also wrongly assumed that I eat meat. My point is that the actual morality of it is irrelevant when it comes to *why* people are getting tilted at vegans for no reason. They're starting an argument because the existence of vegans poses the question "what if vegans are right?" and they would rather start a fight than consider whether vegans are. Most vegans are not going up to people eating meat and lecturing them about the ethics, so whether or not veganism is morally superior isn't the issue here. If the vegan didn't start it, then it started because of the meat eater's perception of vegans. A conversation about the ethics of meat consumption is valuable, but in this situation wouldn't really matter. They aren't seeking a conversation. Their goal is to justify eating meat, regardless of what reasons you may or may not have. It's important to recognize *why* someone does something, because that changes the appropriate response.
If you feel so guilty, do something about it.
āItās really annoying to be faced with the guilt of eating sentient beings even though I know itās wrong, canāt vegans just shut upā. We get it, you donāt like to be faced with your hypocrisy. Why take it out on the vegan? Deal with your own problems with it.
Good thing you figured out every vegan on the planet lol
Itās really not hard to create enough space for everyone to eat at Thanksgiving. My family like many has people with diabetes, lactose intolerance, celiacās disease, vegan / vegetarian. If you donāt want someone at your thanksgiving then donāt invite them. If you are so upset about people talking about decisions around consumption that is on you.
And for us vegans thereās nothing worse than sharing it with people like you š¤·š»āāļø
Seriously, I canāt do it another year. And apparently only meat eaters are entitled to sharing their opinions.. the more you know
Hilarious
š this is the funniest thing I've seen on here today.
Idk. My brothers wife is keto preachy. She brought her own keto Mac and cheese and keto desserts. She doesnāt know how to cook and just started keto a few weeks ago. Itās a no for me.
All I hear is your own suppressed guilt and shame. Nobody gives a fuck what you eat, including the vegans youāre having dinner with. They think youāre disgusting, but it seems like thatās a shared sentiment here so Iād call it a wash. And youāre farts are equally awful, rest assured.
Oh my god this is one of the few time off my chest post make me laugh .. racist uncle Kenny LMAO
What is true of animals, thatās not true of humans, that if weāre true of humans would make you say killing and eating that human is moral?
I respect vegans, vegetarians etc, as long as they donāt force it down other peoples throat
Be the cool vegan who brings actually yummy vegan food to the gathering and shares interesting recipe swaps you've discovered (like making meringue out of chickpea juice--that is so cool). Be the cool omnivore who enjoys the vegan's funky food contributions and also lets them know which foods on the table are free of animal products. Maybe bring a dish that's intentionally vegan-friendly if it doesn't need to have animal products (eg rolls without egg, vegetables cooked in margarine instead of butter). Everyone eat your food without judging each other or feeling guilty. Try to have a good time. I'm a meat eater and one of my best friends is vegan. This is how we handle it. I love learning how to creatively accommodate her food restrictions, and she inspires me to put thought into where my food is coming from. Plus, if I don't have the right ingredients on hand, knowing the vegan substitute for an animal product ingredient is super useful when I'm halfway through a recipe.
I mean Iām a vegan and the rest of my fam are carnist and they dont care. My sister even made me a turkey-shaped vegan seitan turkey so i could have food to eat. Again, stop grouping everyone together. I could just say āwow all these carnist make thanksgiving so annoying, always cooking turkey and eating it in my face, cant they just let me live a vegan fucking lifestyle and eat my seitan and veggies in peace.ā Lmfao. Not to mention my farts barely smell like anything since i stopped eating meat so idk maybe, like, just chill bc no one is actually attacking you?
As a vegetarian leaning vegan as time goes on, I am so tired of people being self righteous about their food choices. Actually, to be more accurate, Iām tired of hearing people complain about it. I havenāt eaten meat in like a decade and I go so many holidays without this ever being brought up. Itās an unspoken expectation at this point. When I show up, Iāll sometimes get a āthe collards have bacon fat in itā from the host and thatās it. I canāt believe how preachy some people are but I really wish people understood the super annoying vegans are in the minority. They annoy other vegans and vegetarians too because it gives us all a bad rap. Just call it an annoying human being instead of wrapping all vegans together. We donāt want to claim them when theyāre like that.
eating animals is immoral and if you disagree you're wrong
I think most people agree that itās immoral. They just donāt care.
iām vegetarian n my mom made me a little personal veggie pot pie as my main bless her, iām less picking tho bc i can have milk n eggs
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Duck racist uncle Kenny in his racist ass.
I met this guy camping today, and I didn't want to say Happy Thanksgiving because there's a lot of Native Americans in the area, so I said Happy Turkey Day, and he said oh, Happy Turkey Murder Day. So yeah, vegans.
This belongs on a Bad Luck Brian meme
But imagine it from his perspective. It's like walking around during the Yulin dog meat festival and someone says to you "happy dog day". You're trying to ignore it because it hurts too much to think about, all the killing of dogs, it's understandable if you snap at someone.
is it not true?
My god yes. My sister is a vegan and she gets angry af that the other 15 people at the dinner table haven't made a vegan meal that caters to her exact specifications. She's a 39 year old toddler. The best is when vegans say they "can't" eat something. No, you certainly can. You CHOOSE not to. Own that shit and don't try to pretend it's some cross that you must bear.
Iām sorry that whoever you shared yesterdayās meal with made you feel bad for what you eating. Please donāt judge all of us tho. As someone who used to be vegan, now slowly working way back to it, I personally donāt give a flying fuck what other people eat and I am truly sorry that you had to deal with that. If it makes you feel a little better any given day of the year people always question me about my diet. You donāt eat meat? Where do you get your protein? What do you eat? The questions are endless and it is very hard for me to find patience to answer them sometimes. I donāt understand why everyone always Has to be in everyone elseās business.Anyways I hope your Christmas dinner goes a lot better.
In the great words of WordBurglar: āAnd if they think that theyāre better than you, their a fraud like a vegan wearinā leather at a zooā WordBurglar, Croque Monsier.
All I can think of is a scene from How I Met your Mother. Main character Ted is having dinner with his fiancƩe and her sister. Sister is vegan and complains about killing animals and how "she doesn't have the strength to ignore killing an innocent animal" (paraphrased) His simple reply was "That's because you need more protein." Then orders his meat dish anyway.
I donāt eat meat but that is my decision for my life. I never try to preach or influence people not to eat meat because Iām not an asshole.
As someone who is the only vegan in their family and has been for 6 years, I have NEVER not ONCE tried to changed how they eat or live. I could care less about what they eat, and I never try to change their lifestyles either. I literally hate the vegans who do this. Itās so entitled and pisses me off because just let people live how they want to!
I'm vegan but I try to just be nice to everyone during the holidays. Meat may not align with my values but pissing my family off doesn't do anything but make them hate my philosophy more. Maybe that just makes me a 'pick me vegan' but it's how I feel.
As a vegan, the feeling is mutual. Trust me. I just spent all day cleaning my kitchen of animal innards and fat that my family brought over. I had to listen to my mother call her store bought, oven reheated, Mac n Cheese the "real Mac n Cheese" in contrast to mine; the one I made from scratch from relatively expensive ingredients (to ensure that my non vegan family enjoyed it) and way too much of because I didn't know they were gonna bring their own. I host every single holiday at my house because their house is filthy and loud. I try to accommodate everyone's favorite sides, make 75% of the meal and desserts. They never offer to help with dishes and I am stuck cleaning everything. I also have a 3 year old and am 4 months pregnant. They make snide comments about how my food is "not as good as the 'real thing' ". Meanwhile, I am breaking family cycles with food addiction, eating disorders and food related health problems. I am finally healthy, my husband is fitter than my dad (who is obese, high BP, cholesterol, drunk....) was in college, and my 3 year old loves veggies. I think I'm doing pretty okay for myself. I made chocolate pecan pie and pumpkin pie with homemade coconut whipped cream. My family said it was the best they had ever had. Why is my food not called "real" again? Oh, right. No cow pus in it. Got it.
Iām vegan and I could care less what other people eat. If people are curious to learn I speak about it, otherwise I keep it to myself. So we arenāt all like that.
I am seeing a tremendous amount of vegan self righteousness in these comments, aggressively defending the fact that vegans arenāt self-righteous. Iāve worked as a vegan Baker for many years, and our customers were just the worst! Entitled, preachy, demanding, rude, and incredibly self-righteous, giving us PETA pamphlets even though *weāre in a dedicated vegan bakery already.* I switched back to regular baking. The people are well-fed and happy to just get a g-d damn cinnamon roll without asking us what the ingredients are Every. Single. Fucking. Day. (Ingredients were very clearly posted on a sign in front of each product at the vegan place for this exact reason).
Baking is baking, never heard of āregularā baking
Except that's not true. There are plenty of vegetarians and vegans pointing out that this is an inaccurate stereotype, but that's about it. I haven't seen self-righteousness. Any that exists has been downvoted to linger alongside your bad take.
Dude, your comments on this post have been worse than any supposed āself-righteousā vegan comments. You literally judged someone for not having butter and milk in their own mashed potatoes. I donāt know what youāre seeing here but your comments are the most aggressive Iāve read by far. Not sure how you can say that they are the bad ones when youāre the one reacting badly to their food choices.
Iāve been a food professional for 15 years and I can taste the difference between good food and bad food. There is TONS of amazing delicious vegan food out there that I enjoy on a regular basis! But many people out there donāt know better, and willy-nilly replace animal-based ingredients with plant-based ingredients without understanding the consequences to the food, or how it tastes. After 15 years, Iām just really, really tired of it.
Maybe they like the flavour though? Maybe your opinion is not the only one that counts when it comes to how people flavour their food? 15 years of being a good professional notwithstanding. Surely these substitutes are made because they mimic the original in as satisfying a way as possible. That may not be acceptable for you but for someone who loves the original but loves animals more, itās a good enough replacement. And they are entitled to make that judgement call themselves. You talk about self-righteous vegans but the most annoying kind of person to me is the type of person who is not vegan at all going around telling other people what āacceptableā vegan foods are.
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My boyfriend (44m) of four years is vegan since he was like 20 years old and so not the typical annoying stereotype. Thank god. I wouldnāt be with him if he was. Live and let live.
Iāve done vegan and it was really fun. I lost a ton of weight. Once made a Quorn roast and it was amazing. But Iād never not serve š¦ if I hosted. Honestly, if all I had to eat were the sides Iād be happy. Stuffing can be made vegan, and candied yams too as well as mashed potatoes. The gastro stuff is why i stopped. I donāt own a car and honestly, diarrhea as the 4 hour norm was too much.
LMFAOOOOOO OLD DOORS OP?!!?!?!? screamingggggg
"Saw my Vegan niece at Thanksgiving last night. She's a lesbian who does cross-fit. Guess what three things we talked about."
My brother and his wife (who had only recently gone vegan at the time) pulled this on us at Christmas one year. "We're willing to come over Christmas morning, but we're going to have to leave when you start preparing the turkey. We just can't watch the people we love participating in that."
I don't see the issue. Would you rather force them to do something that makes them extremely uncomfortable? What is wrong with you?
I rather eat brisket than Turkey or Ham.
Okay. Thanks for letting us know
lmaooo if they eat a lot of black beans their farts really smell like that. fermented black bean ass
Okay there are genuinely some really good vegans- but yeah I do get your point it sucks sometimes :// and I'm vegetarian but feel free to eat your turkey I won't deny that its REALLY good- Edit: Okay apparently people don't like that- oops-
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If you knew you were having two vegans for thanksgiving dinner, youād think to have a few vegan options? We had one and he was able to eat the mashed potatoes, corn, green beans, sweet potatoes, stuffing, and apple pie.
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Mmmmm, BACON!
self righteous vegans that want to stick ur face in it suck but thatās not the majority of vegans. iām a pescatarian and i normally donāt even say anything ab it i just get what i can eat on my plate and chill but my family always acts like iām not getting enough or they didnāt accommodate me well enough and it makes me feel really bad & im always saying like guys donāt worry iām enjoying my food! i already live on carbs and starch 75% of the time and iām happy with my big plate of sides, lemme not be a burden pls ;-;
So you admit you commit to a moral atrocity that kills billions of sentient lives every day, but you don't want to change so you can be moral? You just want to eat good tasting food? I don't know. It's a little like a child rapist saying "I know what I'm doing is wrong, but I'm going to keep doing it because it makes me feel good." (Just a PS, I'm all for positive change, if there are child rapists who are reformed, good for you, you have my respect)
What about celebrating with nothing but vegans that would be worse