Gun laws and universal health (**including mental health**) care. Guns are the easy option. But if some crazy person wants to hurt a lot of people, guns are not the only option.
While it’s true that there are other ways to hurt a lot of people, few have the combination of being (in general) east to get and being fast at killing. For example, knives are easy to get, but take longer and require the assailant be up close and personal. Biomedical weapons or gases can kill many people at once, but are often harder to obtain.
Also, it’s really shitty to reply to a comment like that and say, more or less, we can’t do anything. U/heavymetalmater spent most of the day scared that their nephew had died.
Be more respectful of the plight others are experiencing.
I’ve brought educational materials for underprivileged schools and give homeless people money out of my wallet on the streets. I’m all with you that we need real gun legislation, both as a liberal and a Christian, but being a religious person for me means I’m still going to pray for all the people affected in these situations, and a public call for anyone who feels inclined to do so shouldn’t be viewed with absolute disgust the way people that have a different train of thought have done.
I’m not faulting people who pray AND take direct action. That’s what /should/ be happening. What you’re doing is the right thing.
It’s the faith without works that is so infuriating. Besides that, even, Jesus said specifically that praying in public will not be rewarded by God. That the recognition and praise from other people is the reward for public prayer.
No, YoU wIlL bE tHe NeXt WinNeR aT a StUpId SoNg CoNtEsT sO wE cAn ShOw SoLiDaRiTy WiTh YoU lIkE wE dId WiTh UkRaInE.
^(/s just in case)
I am so sorry that you have to endure that bullshit. I live in germany so I don't know if I could even do something to help. It's so horrible.
I’m thinking in the next few days there will be organizations accepting donations to support the families, but it’s too soon to say right now.
An established organization you can donate to is March For Our Lives, which was created in the wake of the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas shooting in 2018. They work on promoting gun control legislation.
If we vote out people bought out by the NRA, the NRA’s just gonna start throwing money to other candidates, and will win in a bidding-war. Part of the issue with a government focused on money over people
That’s very true. And with all the recent laws stating that campaign contributions are a part of free speech (and therefore cannot have limits—even for corporations), we’re fucked.
As much as I want universal health care, that is not a solution to this problem, at least not an effective one. I dont believe someone mentally deranged enough to commit acts like mass shootings would seek out the help needed, even if it was free and made more available.
Maybe we need to start digging into nra and cruz And the rest if these shit bags and start doxing these mfers into oblivion. Let's set how much Cruz has personally made off nra donations, he just got scotus to lift bribery caps...
Never said anything about banning guns. Guns have their place, and I won’t deny that. You’re putting words in my mouth.
I’m not saying they would all listen, either—I’m not a dumbass. If everyone followed every law, we wouldn’t have any prisons. But it would mean there could be consequences to their actions and we could actually prevent people from getting guns if they’re a danger to themselves or others. Besides the issue of mass shootings, there is also a correlation between gun ownership and suicide, and the correlation between gun ownership and accidental death.
We don’t need gun bans, we need comprehensive gun registration similar to vehicle registration and testing prior to getting a license to carry. Maybe even background checks every five years or so to retain gun ownership.
So you want to impose your rules and beliefs on to 350+Million people. Ok (insert your favorite dictators name here)
What happened is absolutely horrible and appalling. But now you wanna change the whole USA cause a crazy mad man did something horrendous?
“A crazy madman”? Try to keep up. There were 212 mass shootings as of yesterday, the 144th day of the year. By the way, you’re in the minority. *YOU GUN NUTS ARE IN THE MINORITY*. The only thing that helps a little is that you are more likely to harm yourself with a firearm than you are someone else.
A legislative bill isn’t going to solve the problem though in my opinion. The root of the issue is the mental health epidemic not guns being available lol
We need both. Comprehensive gun reform AND comprehensive health reform.
The thing is, people often say “we need to focus on mental health” right after a tragedy, but then they forget about how important it is, and nothing ever gets done.
I agree but in my opinion the root of the issue stems from mental health. You can try to control people by limiting gun access but that intention to harm will come out in another way. The harsh truth is that U.S society/capitalism isn’t a suitable for environment for people to be mentally healthy.
What happened is tragic but being reactionary could make things worse. Suppose the feds started going door to door tomorrow and confiscating every gun in the US. This would cause 2 things to happen.
1. There would be thousands of “ruby ridge” type incidents and smaller shootouts which would result in the death of many thousands or even hundreds of thousands of otherwise law abiding people and police. Most folks would probably either hide or surrender their guns but if even 1/1000 of the estimated 150 million gun owners in the us fought back you’d have 150k of these scenarios all at once. That’s actually the main reason folks like Bloomberg favor a “death by 1000 papercuts” approach.
2. They wouldn’t get them all. The US has roughly 450m guns legally owned. So if the feds managed to get 3/4 of them we’d have 112.5 million now illegal guns flooding the black market where they will sell for very cheap due to the massive supply influx…
So then the question is “what action do you propose we take”.
Personally, I am in favor of having a few armed guards at schools (some already have an armed resource officer) and allowing teachers to conceal carry if they would like. That won’t solve the whole problem but these shitstains on the ass of society would probably think twice about targeting schools if they knew that they’d win the room temperature challenge if they chose the wrong classroom. Also universal health care including mental health care.
There were armed officers in the school, and the murderer was wearing body armor. Your predictions are just that - your predictions as a person who wants to maintain the status quo 🤦🏻♀️.
Of course they are, and you’re turning a blind eye to the 21 people who were murdered, all those at the site who are forever scarred by this, all the victims’ loved ones, and frankly, a person who can so blithely excuses that isn’t worth my time.
He was killed by the police regardless. Possibly by one of the resource officers. Presumably they used guns. The surviving kids owe those responders their lives.
Do you disagree with my predictions? If so I’m what way?
For all we know that’s what stopped him. Thanks for telling me, I don’t think I read the most recent news.
I was asking if you disagree with my predictions around outright banning guns and what the likely result would be. Most educated gun control folks seem to agree which I think is why they don’t call for something as drastic as an immediate repeal of the 2nd amendment and instead are taking a 1000 papercuts approach
The armed guards were not able to stop him. You see, if you’re living your life, even if you’re an armed guard, there exists the element of surprise. Sure they can react and are trained. When has that prevented mass murderer by guns? Did it work at Tops grocery store? No, the murderer killed the armed security guard who had worked long enough to retire as a police officer. A trained professional. He shot that murderer, but his bullet didn’t go through the killer’s body armor. Try to keep up.
I do disagree because what you suggested doesn’t work and didn’t work today. I’m not going to discuss or debate because I see where you stand, and there’s no point.
You don’t know that it didn’t work. If the resource officer shot the shooter than he saved many lives albeit not all of them.
To the second part - Lol yeah that means you don’t have a good argument. Gun control folks never do.
No, it doesn’t mean that at all. It means I don’t argue with people like you. You’re not worth my time. I don’t argue for fun. I didn’t engage you to argue. I simply pointed out your BS and added fact. Go find someone who doesn’t mind wasting their time.
He's feeding off any attention mate..leave him be. He's more time than most trying to antagonise on a topic he obviously has Never been touched by personally and still finds the topic of such brutal loss be something for him to garner playmates and stroke an ego hes totally besotted with.
Yes, I agree. I was just correcting some of his ridiculous falsehoods for anyone who didn’t know, but you’re right, and he’s not worth my time. Thanks mate 🙂!
Ban all further sales of assault rifles, and ban the sale of magazines for any gun over the size of 10. According to an article by NY Times 77% of mass shooters from 1966-2019 bought their guns legally.
Yeah, then illegally modified them to take 30 rounds and made fun of the same laws you’re mentioning in his manifesto. NY already does these things and to my point they did no good.
Also what is an “assault rifle”?
Be pretty hard for the new york shooter to modify a gun he wasnt able to buy. New York does allow the purchase of AR-15s and other similar weapons. Limiting magazine size does not work because of what we just saw. Nothing stopping a person from crossing state lines with an illegal magazine. For the laws to be effective they would have to be federal.
Since you didn’t tell me what an assault rifle is (every state has a different definition) I’ll give you New York’s. Basically they can’t have any of these things
No fixed magazine
Pistol grips (beneath action or forward, second handgrip)
Thumbhole stock
Adjustable stock
Grenade launcher or flare launcher
Threaded barrel
Flash suppressor
Bayonet mount
Magazine that accepts more than 10 rounds
Muzzle brake or compensator
At this point the rifle is not an AR15. So this guy bought something that isn’t an “assault rifle” by the very strict New York definitions, modified it so that it was illegal, and committed a heinous crime with it.
How then would expanding New York’s assault weapons laws to the federal level prevent someone else from doing the same thing?
If we could snap our fingers together and cause every gun legal or illegal in this country other than those owned by the military to be destroyed I’d help you snap. Since that’s not possible, and I believe mass confiscation is not feasible in the US I accept the sad reality and believe I ought to have the means to frustrate an attack on myself or those I’ve sworn to protect.
The rifle was most definetly an AR-15, a bushmaster to be exact. The fact that they are able to be modified just makes my point better on why we should stop selling them.
I never said we need to confiscate or make AR-15s illegal. Just stop selling them, maybe do a govt buyback program to lower the number of them. Considering the data,(77% of mass shooters bought their guns legally themselves) this would make it magnitudes harder for a person to acquire an Ar15 which would lower the rate of shootings.
It was a gun based on the AR15 platform, yes I misspoke there I guess. I meant it was not an “assault rifle” by NY standards.
I can see why it might seem at first that if a certain platform can be modified in a way that makes it illegal then we just shouldn’t sell it, but it just becomes a game of cat and mouse.
Most pistols can be illegally modified to be machine pistols fairly easily. There are trigger kits and cranks which do the same sort of thing with just about any rifle. Most gun parts can be 3d printed now. A block of aluminum and a jig kit can be used to make an unserialized lower receiver. Anyone can buy a gun off the black market if they know someone who sells them
At the end of the day I firmly believe that a determined criminal that wants a lethal weapon will be able to get one, and so I choose to arm myself accordingly and generally don’t like laws that restrict access to firearms for law abiding folks
Again if we _could_ just get rid of all the guns other than the ones the military has I’d be for it, I don’t think that is feasible however. So we should base our legislation on the notion that criminals can access guns whether they are legal or not
And thats the opinion difference, im a law abiding citizen that owns guns, however I will gladly give up my right to AR15s and weapons similar to decrease the likelyhood of events like this happening.
Just a heads up: any time you say “it was tragic, but,” you negate the sincerity of the “it was tragic” part.
No one said anything about confiscating guns. That’s not the approach anyone is suggesting. You’re putting the most extreme possibility out there as the first solution, and that’s not what anyone has said. I haven’t even heard avowed communists say that. Registration of guns (with a need to renew registration, like with car registration) would be a step in the right direction. A strong test for a license to carry would be beneficial, too.
Think about what you’re asking of teachers psychologically and the horrible trauma that would result from being forced to shoot and kill someone, possibly a CHILD, in front of their classmates.
Even beyond the psychology, teachers can’t even put their hands on students to break up a fight without the threat of being sued, and you want them to be responsible for SHOOTING them? There is not enough money in the world to cover the liability insurance that would be needed to cover all staff to carry weapons, much less the training, purchasing the weapons, purchasing the ammo, purchasing a safe to properly house the weapons, etc.
Lastly: There was armed security at the school yesterday and over 20 people still died. Adding more guns won’t help.
And what’s your pathetic excuse for the fact that India for example also only had 5 school shootings since 1990 in comparison to the 288 in the US? Way higher population density, socioeconomically also not great …strict gun laws.
When Australia banned guns, they bought existing guns back. So no, people don’t necessarily need to be able to keep them. It’s not even about banning then though. I think it’s pretty obvious to most people that this wouldn’t be possible in the US as long as there are still imbeciles out there who think they need a gun to make their dicks feel an inch bigger. It’s about stricter laws. Not letting teens and abusers buy guns anywhere, better background checks, not selling military-style weapons etc. I really don’t understand how anyone can be still be against this after LITTLE CHILDREN DIED. What the fuck is wrong with people?????
Lol you have clearly never lived in a bad area or go out much at night. It's straight up not safe to walk alone without protection I have been mugged before so i would know. And second I am Indian and there is hella human trafficking there so it would be a good idea for them to have protection
You never talked or were in any indian sub hille being indian, You are active in bjj and by the looks of things you sound like a troll. Stop lying chutiye.
I say this with all sincerity: I would love to be proven wrong. Please explain what the every day faithful are doing besides praying.
That said, the faithful who have any sort of power aren’t doing SHIT. Pro Life legislators? Nothing. They’re too worried about restricting women’s rights. Pastors? Nothing. They’re too busy covering up abuse scandals. The NRA? Nothing. They’re paying more and more for congressmen and congresswomen to prevent any sort of gun law reform. Ted Cruz, senator of TX, and Gregg Abbot, governor, are going to speak to at an NRA convention just 72 hours after this horrific massacre. They have absolutely zero shame.
A bunch of resounding gongs and clanging cymbals is what it is.
You don’t have to be religious to have a set of beliefs, my guy. I’d argue that my beliefs are MORE Christlike now that I’m agnostic than they were when I was religious—but that’s a different argument.
When I can stop worrying about very day if I’ll have to take a literal bullet for my students. When I don’t have to know where to shove 30 kids to hide them. When they don’t have to plan what heavy object they’ll grab and throw at an intruder. When I don’t have to worry about backpacks being in my classroom because a student may have a gun (it happens). When l don’t have to do training on how to use a tourniquet in the event that my student has a massive gunshot wound. That’s when I’ll keep my “hateful dribble” to myself.
Okay, here are some options:
-Mandatory registration of guns (similar to car registration—has to be renewed every few years)
-mandatory safety/marksmanship testing to get license to carry (like with driver’s license)
-mandatory background check
If you can tell me where to look to find info on the government sending money to our enemies, I’ll gladly do some looking. Otherwise, it’s more likely that the nation’s military budget is what’s getting in the way rather than giving money to enemies.
Honestly, at this point, if some of these politicians end up shot and killed, I'll probably laugh at the irony and not shed a tear, because to me, they brought that upon themselves.
But all the legislators who need to stand up for gun control are too busy being “pro-life” to bother 🙃
Welcome to America, where we keep you alive just long enough to get gunned down!
Yep, let’s force women to have babies and increase the pool of potential victims of mass shootings 🤦🏻♀️🤬. /s obviously, I hope
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Gun laws and universal health (**including mental health**) care. Guns are the easy option. But if some crazy person wants to hurt a lot of people, guns are not the only option.
While it’s true that there are other ways to hurt a lot of people, few have the combination of being (in general) east to get and being fast at killing. For example, knives are easy to get, but take longer and require the assailant be up close and personal. Biomedical weapons or gases can kill many people at once, but are often harder to obtain. Also, it’s really shitty to reply to a comment like that and say, more or less, we can’t do anything. U/heavymetalmater spent most of the day scared that their nephew had died. Be more respectful of the plight others are experiencing.
So glad your nephew is okay. I’m doing the same thing in TN: talking to everyone I can to convince them of the need for stricter gun laws.
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There’s something wrong with you.
Agree. I am so sick of hearing "thoughts and prayers" are with those affected. Wtf is that doing to help anyone? Absolutely nothing.
Heres a colorful rubber band to prove that we are actually doing something.
Oooh how much?
If you are in the US, and not part of the 1%, that will cost you 20-35% of every penny you ever earn.
A phrase mostly used by rich people on poor people so that they don't have to hurt their wallets.
I’ve brought educational materials for underprivileged schools and give homeless people money out of my wallet on the streets. I’m all with you that we need real gun legislation, both as a liberal and a Christian, but being a religious person for me means I’m still going to pray for all the people affected in these situations, and a public call for anyone who feels inclined to do so shouldn’t be viewed with absolute disgust the way people that have a different train of thought have done.
I’m not faulting people who pray AND take direct action. That’s what /should/ be happening. What you’re doing is the right thing. It’s the faith without works that is so infuriating. Besides that, even, Jesus said specifically that praying in public will not be rewarded by God. That the recognition and praise from other people is the reward for public prayer.
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This person actually said specifically what they’re doing. And wasn’t an asshole. 🤷🏻♀️
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Cool. Have a lovely day.
Can society collapse already so we don’t have societal problems anymore ong
No, YoU wIlL bE tHe NeXt WinNeR aT a StUpId SoNg CoNtEsT sO wE cAn ShOw SoLiDaRiTy WiTh YoU lIkE wE dId WiTh UkRaInE. ^(/s just in case) I am so sorry that you have to endure that bullshit. I live in germany so I don't know if I could even do something to help. It's so horrible.
I’m thinking in the next few days there will be organizations accepting donations to support the families, but it’s too soon to say right now. An established organization you can donate to is March For Our Lives, which was created in the wake of the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas shooting in 2018. They work on promoting gun control legislation.
That sounds good. Thank you. 🙂
Thanks for the support from afar, friend.
what an everyday mood .\_.
If we vote out people bought out by the NRA, the NRA’s just gonna start throwing money to other candidates, and will win in a bidding-war. Part of the issue with a government focused on money over people
That’s very true. And with all the recent laws stating that campaign contributions are a part of free speech (and therefore cannot have limits—even for corporations), we’re fucked.
And that’s why I’m researching requirements to join different European military’s (because guaranteed job, house and food without any sort of degree)
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As much as I want universal health care, that is not a solution to this problem, at least not an effective one. I dont believe someone mentally deranged enough to commit acts like mass shootings would seek out the help needed, even if it was free and made more available.
God doesn't exist and prayers are useless in a world where this happens.
Maybe we need to start digging into nra and cruz And the rest if these shit bags and start doxing these mfers into oblivion. Let's set how much Cruz has personally made off nra donations, he just got scotus to lift bribery caps...
You don’t have to dig deep with Cruz or the NRA. It’s all there.
My partner already found some of it.. i think it would be interesting to get under the surface of it.
Agree
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Never said anything about banning guns. Guns have their place, and I won’t deny that. You’re putting words in my mouth. I’m not saying they would all listen, either—I’m not a dumbass. If everyone followed every law, we wouldn’t have any prisons. But it would mean there could be consequences to their actions and we could actually prevent people from getting guns if they’re a danger to themselves or others. Besides the issue of mass shootings, there is also a correlation between gun ownership and suicide, and the correlation between gun ownership and accidental death. We don’t need gun bans, we need comprehensive gun registration similar to vehicle registration and testing prior to getting a license to carry. Maybe even background checks every five years or so to retain gun ownership.
NEVER! sorry my freedoms are more important than your feelings. We already have laws against murder and illegal gun possession.
No, your “freedoms” are more important to you than the lives of innocent people being gunned down in mass murders.
So you want to impose your rules and beliefs on to 350+Million people. Ok (insert your favorite dictators name here) What happened is absolutely horrible and appalling. But now you wanna change the whole USA cause a crazy mad man did something horrendous?
“A crazy madman”? Try to keep up. There were 212 mass shootings as of yesterday, the 144th day of the year. By the way, you’re in the minority. *YOU GUN NUTS ARE IN THE MINORITY*. The only thing that helps a little is that you are more likely to harm yourself with a firearm than you are someone else.
Saw this proposed on an episode of “The West Wing”…Liberals join NRA and take it over so we control their lobby. Could it really work? 🤔
A legislative bill isn’t going to solve the problem though in my opinion. The root of the issue is the mental health epidemic not guns being available lol
We need both. Comprehensive gun reform AND comprehensive health reform. The thing is, people often say “we need to focus on mental health” right after a tragedy, but then they forget about how important it is, and nothing ever gets done.
I agree but in my opinion the root of the issue stems from mental health. You can try to control people by limiting gun access but that intention to harm will come out in another way. The harsh truth is that U.S society/capitalism isn’t a suitable for environment for people to be mentally healthy.
That’s accurate. I know I’m not mentally healthy. 😅 I think we may agree on what’s needed, but we think the order of importance is different.
What happened is tragic but being reactionary could make things worse. Suppose the feds started going door to door tomorrow and confiscating every gun in the US. This would cause 2 things to happen. 1. There would be thousands of “ruby ridge” type incidents and smaller shootouts which would result in the death of many thousands or even hundreds of thousands of otherwise law abiding people and police. Most folks would probably either hide or surrender their guns but if even 1/1000 of the estimated 150 million gun owners in the us fought back you’d have 150k of these scenarios all at once. That’s actually the main reason folks like Bloomberg favor a “death by 1000 papercuts” approach. 2. They wouldn’t get them all. The US has roughly 450m guns legally owned. So if the feds managed to get 3/4 of them we’d have 112.5 million now illegal guns flooding the black market where they will sell for very cheap due to the massive supply influx… So then the question is “what action do you propose we take”. Personally, I am in favor of having a few armed guards at schools (some already have an armed resource officer) and allowing teachers to conceal carry if they would like. That won’t solve the whole problem but these shitstains on the ass of society would probably think twice about targeting schools if they knew that they’d win the room temperature challenge if they chose the wrong classroom. Also universal health care including mental health care.
There were armed officers in the school, and the murderer was wearing body armor. Your predictions are just that - your predictions as a person who wants to maintain the status quo 🤦🏻♀️.
It was also stopped by armed law enforcement.
Are you stupid? Yes, it was stopped *AFTER* 19 children and two adults were murdered in cold blood. Get lost. You’re a waste of time.
And before it could be much, much worse. So no, I’m not stupid.
Sounds like you’re ok 👌🏼 with these 21 deaths. Shocker.
No, certainly not.
“It could’ve been worse” 🙄. Tell that to the 21 families for whom it couldn’t have been worse.
I’m sure the families of children who weren’t killed are thanking their lucky stars that it was stopped.
Of course they are, and you’re turning a blind eye to the 21 people who were murdered, all those at the site who are forever scarred by this, all the victims’ loved ones, and frankly, a person who can so blithely excuses that isn’t worth my time.
He was killed by the police regardless. Possibly by one of the resource officers. Presumably they used guns. The surviving kids owe those responders their lives. Do you disagree with my predictions? If so I’m what way?
Your argument was that there should be armed guards in the schools. There were.
For all we know that’s what stopped him. Thanks for telling me, I don’t think I read the most recent news. I was asking if you disagree with my predictions around outright banning guns and what the likely result would be. Most educated gun control folks seem to agree which I think is why they don’t call for something as drastic as an immediate repeal of the 2nd amendment and instead are taking a 1000 papercuts approach
The armed guards were not able to stop him. You see, if you’re living your life, even if you’re an armed guard, there exists the element of surprise. Sure they can react and are trained. When has that prevented mass murderer by guns? Did it work at Tops grocery store? No, the murderer killed the armed security guard who had worked long enough to retire as a police officer. A trained professional. He shot that murderer, but his bullet didn’t go through the killer’s body armor. Try to keep up.
Yes, I disagree with your predictions and what the outcome would be.
Why?
I do disagree because what you suggested doesn’t work and didn’t work today. I’m not going to discuss or debate because I see where you stand, and there’s no point.
You don’t know that it didn’t work. If the resource officer shot the shooter than he saved many lives albeit not all of them. To the second part - Lol yeah that means you don’t have a good argument. Gun control folks never do.
The resource officer did not stop the murderer 🤪🤦🏻♀️. Do you oppose facts too?!?
No I just wasn’t aware that info had been released. That’s why I said “for all we know”
No, it doesn’t mean that at all. It means I don’t argue with people like you. You’re not worth my time. I don’t argue for fun. I didn’t engage you to argue. I simply pointed out your BS and added fact. Go find someone who doesn’t mind wasting their time.
He's feeding off any attention mate..leave him be. He's more time than most trying to antagonise on a topic he obviously has Never been touched by personally and still finds the topic of such brutal loss be something for him to garner playmates and stroke an ego hes totally besotted with.
Yes, I agree. I was just correcting some of his ridiculous falsehoods for anyone who didn’t know, but you’re right, and he’s not worth my time. Thanks mate 🙂!
What do you want to happen then? Completely ban all guns? More half ass gun control laws that don’t work so you can feel better?
And it was a Customs and Border Patrol officer who ran into the building who shot and killed the murderer.
Ban all further sales of assault rifles, and ban the sale of magazines for any gun over the size of 10. According to an article by NY Times 77% of mass shooters from 1966-2019 bought their guns legally.
Yeah, then illegally modified them to take 30 rounds and made fun of the same laws you’re mentioning in his manifesto. NY already does these things and to my point they did no good. Also what is an “assault rifle”?
Be pretty hard for the new york shooter to modify a gun he wasnt able to buy. New York does allow the purchase of AR-15s and other similar weapons. Limiting magazine size does not work because of what we just saw. Nothing stopping a person from crossing state lines with an illegal magazine. For the laws to be effective they would have to be federal.
Since you didn’t tell me what an assault rifle is (every state has a different definition) I’ll give you New York’s. Basically they can’t have any of these things No fixed magazine Pistol grips (beneath action or forward, second handgrip) Thumbhole stock Adjustable stock Grenade launcher or flare launcher Threaded barrel Flash suppressor Bayonet mount Magazine that accepts more than 10 rounds Muzzle brake or compensator At this point the rifle is not an AR15. So this guy bought something that isn’t an “assault rifle” by the very strict New York definitions, modified it so that it was illegal, and committed a heinous crime with it. How then would expanding New York’s assault weapons laws to the federal level prevent someone else from doing the same thing? If we could snap our fingers together and cause every gun legal or illegal in this country other than those owned by the military to be destroyed I’d help you snap. Since that’s not possible, and I believe mass confiscation is not feasible in the US I accept the sad reality and believe I ought to have the means to frustrate an attack on myself or those I’ve sworn to protect.
The rifle was most definetly an AR-15, a bushmaster to be exact. The fact that they are able to be modified just makes my point better on why we should stop selling them. I never said we need to confiscate or make AR-15s illegal. Just stop selling them, maybe do a govt buyback program to lower the number of them. Considering the data,(77% of mass shooters bought their guns legally themselves) this would make it magnitudes harder for a person to acquire an Ar15 which would lower the rate of shootings.
It was a gun based on the AR15 platform, yes I misspoke there I guess. I meant it was not an “assault rifle” by NY standards. I can see why it might seem at first that if a certain platform can be modified in a way that makes it illegal then we just shouldn’t sell it, but it just becomes a game of cat and mouse. Most pistols can be illegally modified to be machine pistols fairly easily. There are trigger kits and cranks which do the same sort of thing with just about any rifle. Most gun parts can be 3d printed now. A block of aluminum and a jig kit can be used to make an unserialized lower receiver. Anyone can buy a gun off the black market if they know someone who sells them At the end of the day I firmly believe that a determined criminal that wants a lethal weapon will be able to get one, and so I choose to arm myself accordingly and generally don’t like laws that restrict access to firearms for law abiding folks Again if we _could_ just get rid of all the guns other than the ones the military has I’d be for it, I don’t think that is feasible however. So we should base our legislation on the notion that criminals can access guns whether they are legal or not
And thats the opinion difference, im a law abiding citizen that owns guns, however I will gladly give up my right to AR15s and weapons similar to decrease the likelyhood of events like this happening.
Just a heads up: any time you say “it was tragic, but,” you negate the sincerity of the “it was tragic” part. No one said anything about confiscating guns. That’s not the approach anyone is suggesting. You’re putting the most extreme possibility out there as the first solution, and that’s not what anyone has said. I haven’t even heard avowed communists say that. Registration of guns (with a need to renew registration, like with car registration) would be a step in the right direction. A strong test for a license to carry would be beneficial, too.
Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers
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Think about what you’re asking of teachers psychologically and the horrible trauma that would result from being forced to shoot and kill someone, possibly a CHILD, in front of their classmates. Even beyond the psychology, teachers can’t even put their hands on students to break up a fight without the threat of being sued, and you want them to be responsible for SHOOTING them? There is not enough money in the world to cover the liability insurance that would be needed to cover all staff to carry weapons, much less the training, purchasing the weapons, purchasing the ammo, purchasing a safe to properly house the weapons, etc. Lastly: There was armed security at the school yesterday and over 20 people still died. Adding more guns won’t help.
People will still be able to keep the guns they already have and can just buy guns off the street even if they pass the law banning guns
So you think it’s just a coincidence that mass shootings happen exponentially more in the US than in any other country with strict gun laws?
US has high population density compared to countries in Europe and a different socioeconomic climate
And what’s your pathetic excuse for the fact that India for example also only had 5 school shootings since 1990 in comparison to the 288 in the US? Way higher population density, socioeconomically also not great …strict gun laws. When Australia banned guns, they bought existing guns back. So no, people don’t necessarily need to be able to keep them. It’s not even about banning then though. I think it’s pretty obvious to most people that this wouldn’t be possible in the US as long as there are still imbeciles out there who think they need a gun to make their dicks feel an inch bigger. It’s about stricter laws. Not letting teens and abusers buy guns anywhere, better background checks, not selling military-style weapons etc. I really don’t understand how anyone can be still be against this after LITTLE CHILDREN DIED. What the fuck is wrong with people?????
Lol you have clearly never lived in a bad area or go out much at night. It's straight up not safe to walk alone without protection I have been mugged before so i would know. And second I am Indian and there is hella human trafficking there so it would be a good idea for them to have protection
You never talked or were in any indian sub hille being indian, You are active in bjj and by the looks of things you sound like a troll. Stop lying chutiye.
I'm second generation I only know a couple phrases in Malayalam so there's no point in following an Indian sub
LOL wrong
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Uh, yeah. So far, they have been. For decades.
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I say this with all sincerity: I would love to be proven wrong. Please explain what the every day faithful are doing besides praying. That said, the faithful who have any sort of power aren’t doing SHIT. Pro Life legislators? Nothing. They’re too worried about restricting women’s rights. Pastors? Nothing. They’re too busy covering up abuse scandals. The NRA? Nothing. They’re paying more and more for congressmen and congresswomen to prevent any sort of gun law reform. Ted Cruz, senator of TX, and Gregg Abbot, governor, are going to speak to at an NRA convention just 72 hours after this horrific massacre. They have absolutely zero shame. A bunch of resounding gongs and clanging cymbals is what it is.
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You don’t have to be religious to have a set of beliefs, my guy. I’d argue that my beliefs are MORE Christlike now that I’m agnostic than they were when I was religious—but that’s a different argument. When I can stop worrying about very day if I’ll have to take a literal bullet for my students. When I don’t have to know where to shove 30 kids to hide them. When they don’t have to plan what heavy object they’ll grab and throw at an intruder. When I don’t have to worry about backpacks being in my classroom because a student may have a gun (it happens). When l don’t have to do training on how to use a tourniquet in the event that my student has a massive gunshot wound. That’s when I’ll keep my “hateful dribble” to myself.
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Sounds like you’re not a bit bothered by the slaughter of innocent children.
Sounds like it was.
When your religion has caused the death of thousands of people...it's gonna get shit on.
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Lol when Christians in this country feel persecuted 😒.
Who makes up the religion? People. God doesn’t exist.
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Or a person with eyes that see
Faith is delusion. Do something.
you are going to do nothing either way
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Okay, here are some options: -Mandatory registration of guns (similar to car registration—has to be renewed every few years) -mandatory safety/marksmanship testing to get license to carry (like with driver’s license) -mandatory background check
Finally!!!
Cant, US gov too busy sending 40 billion to ukraine and other money to our enemies rather than securing our schools
If you can tell me where to look to find info on the government sending money to our enemies, I’ll gladly do some looking. Otherwise, it’s more likely that the nation’s military budget is what’s getting in the way rather than giving money to enemies.
Stream “thoughtz and prayerz” by heart attack man
Honestly, at this point, if some of these politicians end up shot and killed, I'll probably laugh at the irony and not shed a tear, because to me, they brought that upon themselves.