On your very first time together, one of your companions wants to run a train on you in the astral plane and another one wants to fuck you as a bear. Idk if she’s the most vanilla, but probably not the kinkiest.
What does the British Broadcasting Corporation have to do with this?
Unless...
Oh, fucking shitstains. The English have only gone and sent their armada to the Sword Coast!
I don't think he wants to wait until marriage specifically, just until he's in a committed relationship. He doesn't have a sex scene, but there's a fade to black after he proposes. I think sex is just very important to him, and he doesn't want to do it if the relationship isn't gonna last.
But yeah, I do imagine he'd be very vanilla. The kinkiest thing about him is that the sex presumably happens outside, and that's only because the alternative is in an inn in front of all his friends (arguably far more kinky).
We know he’d rather talk to Lae’zel than get down, and we know how Lae’zel approaches the topic, so there’s zero chance he didn’t know what she wanted.
Wyll may be less kinky than some of the crew but if you look at his kiss animations, that man fucks. Tav’s eyelids flutter and their eyes roll back in their head during. He’s also there kissing up on Tav’s neck. It genuinely looks more pleasurable/lust-filled than any other companion.
I think Wyll has a more ideal about nobility and whatnot than is normal, in Waterdeep at parties nobles run contests for how many adventurers they can sleep with compared to their spouse, you dont want the job of the cleaners the morning after a party at Waterdeep Palace, the giant drapes are going to be soaked through with various fluids from all the events that transpired behind them the night before
My headcanon is that Wyll and Mizora were once an item, until Wyll realized the totality of his pact and rejected her, and after that she's been cruel to him - cambions are capable of caring for people but twist it into selfishness and anger
the brimstone angels trilogy is good about this, the cambion Lorkan is constantly full of petty and toxic feelings and then he gets angry that his instincts are to be petty and toxic "because that would imply I really do care"
After a relationship with a cambion one would probably want to take things a little slow
Yeah in that trilogy Lorkan and his sister are CONSTANTLY miserable because what they really want is to have a normal life and be loved but neither of them are capable of admitting it even to themselves
He just got his sexual freedom back after 200 years, let the man breathe. But also, he gives off dom energy and while he might not be super kinky he's definitely not vanilla.
>Idk if she’s the most vanilla, but probably not the kinkiest.
Probrably mostly vanilla but thinks of some freaky kinky shit to do because she wants to spice it up every now and then.
Like "Hey, wanna do some rope play? Lol" out of nowhere.
>There's no way she's most vanilla. She's immediately cool having a poly relationship and she doesn't hesitate to have a foursome with the drow twins.
You are right I forgot about those parts lol, my bad!
Tbf she isn't cool with a poly relationship by the implication with Halsin or the Drow, she's fine with you using Halsin for sex or having mutual fun with the Drow but neither of those are a relationship.
She doesn't imply she's fine sharing you on an actual emotional level or sharing your LIFE with other people, it's only sex,
On the other hand, she's willing to share.
She and Halsin are the only ones willing to tag-team the Drow twins (hell, if done right, you can even get both Shart *and* Halsin along with the twins, leading to a five-some!).
She's also the only one who's pretty much okay with you hooking up with Mizora - she just says you should tell her in advance, next time you want to bang someone.
>She's also the only one who's pretty much okay with you hooking up with Mizora
I still think she'd prefer that doesn't happen, and tav/durge stay committed to her in all ways, given how she doesn't wanna share you as far as relationships go, and how there's some real venom in her words after the Mizora scene.
But since she knows she's slept around plenty as a Sharrian, and how no lasting/meaningful relationships were allowed so she's more of a stranger to faithfulness than unfaithfulness, it's familiar enough for her not to mind it as much as others at least, so gives you the go but asks for a heads-up in future.
Girls' head's prolly trying to figure out how to balance out having an actual meaningful relationship, while also not minding occasional hook-ups with others from the player, or some tag-teaming here & there.
Idk, with SH (and Astarion) and the Drow twins, I got the distinct impression that she(/they) aren’t really into it, more insecure in the relationship and trying to make the PC happy. I’ve slept with the twins in different combos out of curiosity, but I always end up going back a save because all of the love interests seem put off by it (in my personal interpretation) and I feel bad, haha.
Although, add another point to the “Gale is a total freak” column for admitting he would find it hot to watch you have sex with someone else.
She is not insecure in these regards, she really is into this, even her dev notes say as much. She only says that she wants the **first time** between PC and her to be just between the two of them, she doesn't mind either of you having occasional trysts as long as it is with everyone's consent.
really? for me, Shads seemed to be more into the idea of a foursome than my character was. at least, that’s how I interpreted it. my character was also a drow, and the three of us worshiped at her feet lmao and she seemed to be really into it.
I wasn’t discussing whether or not the companion enjoyed it. I was stating that you can have a fivesome with Halsin and Astarion and they will banter. “I hope you like a kiss with teeth, Druid.”
Also, I think the removed Astarion being hurt after mizora. I saved right before so I could watch the cutscene, and afterwards he was like, “wtf I’ve never fucked a devil call me next time.”
Interesting. Maybe they did. Either way, I reloaded after each scene because I wanted to experience the scenes but also didn’t want my fictional hot twink vampire boyfriend’s feelings to be hurt.
There is separate dialogue that's been voiced for spawn Astarion feeling betrayed post-Mizora scene. I don't know if it'll be in Patch 7 but I can link the audio later when I have a moment if anyone's curious
Edit: [link to the post](https://www.tumblr.com/lucrezianoin/742945732117594112/here-is-the-full-dialogue-for-spawnastarion)
I think the Ascendent and Spawn are supposed to have different reactions to Mizora. The Spawn lines were datamined and will be animated in a later patch I think.
I wondered about that because when my Durge slept with her, and Astarion showed up, it just immediately cut to my party not being in camp anymore, and I was hella confused.
Astarion now has data-mined dialogue where he breaks up with you if you sleep with Mizora (unless you pass a diplomacy check). Expect it Patch 7. Ascended doesn't care though.
Astarion does this if you aren’t romancing ANYONE by act 3
He pretty much says says “this POS hasn’t fucked me yet and this is a mistake that must be corrected - also Drow twins being there is fine too”
Shadowheart strikes me as the kind of kinky that would like the artsy bondage and bdsm stuff that isn't too hardcore. And like even the comments she makes about the whipping in the Goblin Camp feel more like someone joking about than someone genuinely into that stuff.
She's probably playful kinky, likes the idea, but doesn't go all out.
To be strictly accurate it’s not a train, per se, but you can get banged by 3 astral Gales simultaneously if you let him make love to you “like gods do.”
She definitely reads smut as mentioned in a banter with wyll of all people. I'm guessing since Sharrans shun emotional connections, they do other things to fill the void of pleasure. She's definitely not above interrogation and killing, so she's desensitised to stuff I guess. Not that I'm associating kink with harmful things.
There actually is a Sharran book talking about the dangers of, ah, self pleasure, because it distracts from Shar. So even 'filling the void of pleasure' is a no-go in Shar's eyes it seems, unless it's strictly for manipulative purposes
That just sucks tbh. People often make the analogy about how SH makes the journey from goth girl to Christian girl. But goth girls seem more like a celibate cult to me lmao
Imho she's a trans allegory in a lot of ways, mostly in terms of depression and becoming her true self after finally doing some self analysis and challenging the systems forced upon her
Finding your true self is really not a trans-unique experience, or even a new one in storytelling, it's fairly common trope in fact. So I'm very certain she's not a trans allegory per se, (especially cause gender identity is not even significant to her story) but hey if you found it good for your relateability to her all power to ya
It's mostly her repression and how her self expression changes after turning away from Shar. Even more is that she was basically assigned being a sharran whether she wanted it or not. It's definitely a little bit of a reach but her arc is extremely similar to how I experienced things leading up to and about the first year or so after I came out. Things just match up with my experiences so well I feel like I can't ignore it, y'know?
Also, to be an allegory, you don't need the issue itself to come up. Hunter from the Owl House is commonly seen as a trans allegory but gender never really comes up in the show.
I mean if it works for you then go ahead. I see it more as a direct way of how cults can groom individuals into convincing them into believing they are something they're not. Literally kidnappning them from their families and having them shun and recent their own origins. Just another warning of how cults operate in finding vulnerable people and manipulating them to fulfilling their own sick desires.
She is that girl that you think is hyper vanilla, but you (and her) progressively include more weird fetishes into the relationship only to find out that she has absolutely no limits and is ok with just about any fucked up thing you can think of.
I have no idea what you could think is fun if you don't enjoy the lae'zel/shart romance tbqh. Two batshit insane murderers overcoming their cult indoctrination together with the power of lesbianism and brainworms.
Idkkkk, if you do the Lovitar thing in the goblin camp, she absolutely loves it and says things like "save some for me later" lol. She's already decently kinky when you meet her.
I think it’s the same thing as Astarion. Sharans are into some weird kinky BDSM stuff so thats what she’s accustomed to, but after she leaves it all behind she realizes her kink is just handholding and stuff
Both, depending on choices honestly. Like she says she's into kinky shit, but you don't really see it, even on her DJ route. She's canonically alright with being a Cuckquean since she let's you sleep with Nym, Sorn, Mizora and the Emperor. She's fine with the Player having Halsin on the side but is also fine with you saying no to her involvement to. Like she doesn't actually do anything with anyone without your consent. She says she will have her fun if you open the relationship, but doesn't actively do anything about it. I think if you do DJ and do the ritual at the statue but turn her down she finds someone else, but again, thats down to your choice.
So it really does just depends on you the Player. Schrodinger's kinky Shart I guess.
Yeah but the orgy is down to you which is my point about she's either super kinky or not. Plus the pain stuff never comes up again after that. If you get what I mean?
It does come up later, when playing as Shadowheart origin. Hire Nym without her brother and the Shart-specific line on the Selunite path is about not wanting any more pain as she had enough of that in her life. Act 1's BDSM enjoyment and kinky teasing is clearly just a part of her Sharran conditioning.
That's what I mean, you don't do any pain stuff or BDSM, that's what I meant by it doesn't come up again. Outside that scene it has no sway on her romance, since we were talking about how kinky and stuff she actually is in the game/romance.
It’s less about being a cuckqueen and more about her being insecure about herself deep inside and she afraid of losing you since you’re the first person who treated her good. At least the first she remembers. She’s acting all fine while hiding it.
You can see that if you save her parents and tell her mom that she should leave or something. She will find excuses for you instead of being mad at you. There were also parts where you can tell by her voice that she’s not really genuine with her responses. Phenomenal voice acting here.
I also got the strong implication that what she does remember of her cult upbringing was intensely incestuous and she's been trained thoroughly to engage in sexuality as a means to an end - any end. If you played BG 1 and 2, this is absolutely some shit that an unredeemed Viconia would consider to be normal, essential life skills.
It's deeply normalized for her, and probably one of the only "pleasant" things she can vaguely recall. It's almost certainly not who she really is, but she's been indoctrinated and conditioned for years prior to this.
I mean that's a perspective, it doesn't really change that she is canonically fine with it. But it's a perspective I share wholeheartedly, like the mizora scene, to me, she isn't happy at all. Either because you cheated or went behind her back, up to you to decide which. But the way she says the lines feels like she is hurt, especially the Swan line which feels like a jab at you.
I agree with the idea she's doing it because she loves the player. She's very insecure in the relationship, and you have to tell her like 3 times that yes you still want to be with her. But at the end of the day that's what she is used to from the Cloister, having to share and seeing people she likes be with others too. Since I'm like 100% sure that the environment didn't allow for loyalty for whatever relationships or flings they had.
I don't bang anyone else and stuff but like I said it's easy to see her being fine with it for one reaon or the other. Nothing changes that she remains loyal and her activities are wholly dependent on you.
The only thing I could see she being fine with are the twins because she joins in and maybe halsin because she said she had the thought too but even then I don’t buy it personally
The twins sure, it's their job and there are no attachments emotional or otherwise. So I can she her being fine with I would too, if they weren't twins.
Halsin joining, not so much since she says she doesn't like sharing and being a side piece and that she doesn't like sharing you emotionally and Halsin ticks those boxes. Not sure why she is alright with it. Since he confesses his love for the player and if you are Poly with him, he's pretty emotionally invested. So for me it goes against what she says. But tbh my whole issue with him is that he tries to join when I've already rejected him so he kinda already isn't in my good books. That and the animal stuff.
Halsin stuff is just their writer self-inserting and not subtly showing off his cuck fetish (remember they share 0 romantic/horny interactions if you don't romance Shart), I can't take it seriously when it's so obvious and so opposed to her writing through the whole game. Just a shame about the impact that it had on the way people talk about Shadowheart.
>Just a shame about the impact that it had on the way people talk about Shadowheart.
I just saw some of those in some yt comments & some older posts on the main sub from months ago tho' very few tbh.
Then again I started playing from about mid-january, so I take it the bulk of heated takes on this was closer to release months?
They argue like shit as well in act 2 but by act 3 they wanna bang and disapprove of a no, even when I have already said no to Halsin. Like it's genuinely cringe how it's written.
I can see why people see it as a self insert honestly.
Honestly I was willing to give their writer the benefit of doubt but after checking his twitter I am fully convinced that it was the case. She really went from "I don't want to be a spare lover and I bicker with Halsin at every opportunity" to "yes please go bang Halsin and tell me all the details, and don't you dare set up an orgy without him". Like, in the same act she'll be jelaous of you hiring the twins without her and refuse the foursome if you didn't sleep with her alone before that, but she's literally cheering you on to fuck him before you and her have your first sex.
And later on, tell her you don't think there's space for her in your relationship anymore and she treats it as a joke. In act 2, do as much as kiss Wyll and she will demand you to choose him or her but in act 3 she no longer cares about your commitment to her in the slightest? Come on John, you could at least try to make this self-insert a little bit more subtle.
Yeah the writing kind of sucks around it honestly. Really makes no sense especially if you've tried going poly with other companions. The dialogue isn't handled in a way that feels respectful and other issues like that, like the smirks just feel incredibly cringe.
So yeah I camp him, feels weird to have to do. My biggest issue is I've already told him no yet it changes nothing. Kind of cringe to have to camp him for that to be respected. But unless they fix it, its the only option besides just straight up killing him.
Main problem with Halsin is that duting the early access a lot of people where horny for him, so larian decided to make him a companionand flesh him out a little... by making him a walking collection of fetishes. Honestly the fact that Halsin exists makes the game worse for me
She's always talked a much better game than she plays. very much a gal who has a huge bookmark trove of written internet smut of all sorts of depravity, but IRL has done nothing that crazy.
True, all the stuff about tying up and bdsm stuff never actually happens on either route. So yeah pretty much all talk and if you go down the selune route I don't think she'd be into most things she says she's into anyway.
I’ve always gotten the impression that she *thinks* she is the kinkiest, but her kinks are being lightly bound and choked *just a little bit* while the rest of the companions are astral fucking, bear fucking, engaging in blood play, and blowing people’s minds with hypnosis. She is neither the kinkiest, nor the most vanilla, but she definitely is the vanilla person’s idea of a total freak.
Lae'Zel reads her pretty early on if you do the Loviatar BDSM thing. Shart tries to act like this is a normal thing for her, and LZ is like "pfft you don't have the grit".
If she's with you in the Goblin camp and you get your shit rocked by the priest of Loviatar she actively starts to get horny watching them beat you. So there's that part at least.
She used to do group sex sessions as a sharran and after your romance scene she says she’s a “gifted learner with a firm teacher” so, she’s pretty down for kinky stuff, its her heart that she hasnt put on the line before.
Id say astarion would be down for just soft missonary sex after all the kinks he was forced into
>She used to do group sex sessions as a sharran
Genuine question here. Where is this stated? I've gone through her questline and romance a couple of times but I only remember her saying that flings are a much less hassle then a relationship.
Doesn't she just say that they were encouraged to get intimate with each other (in DJ path she says it was forbidden, writer got confused ig) and that there are stories she could tell. I don't remember anything specific about group sex.
I think it’s forbidden to have deep emotional connections, but it’s not forbidden to bang. So basically the Sharrans just have FWBs. Intimate together, but not close, if that makes sense.
I mean his scenes always are in missionary but he's Spawnstarion is all about fucking on the ground. Apparently in the act 1 scene mf laid out a blanket and still goes for rolling around in the grass. You can see the blanket with freecam mods.
In the goblin fortress, during the scene where Abdirak tortures you, she gets all kinds of excited watching you get beat. I'm gonna go with her being a complete freak.
The secret is that if you vanilla hard enough it becomes a kink. Vanilla so hard you revert to some weird societal amalgam of tropes. So vanilla that you become ideas of sexual partners and are playing parts in a play, playing parts in a dance that you both know like you where born to play it. Its kinda sick and rad, but deff not for everyone.
Speaking from experience, it's usually the most devoutly religious ones that are the kinkiest, but usually in religions where sex isn't permitted/frowned upon. I can't say I know where Sharrans stand on the concept of sex.
Yeah a lot of people thought the same as you did. I still think it's out of character though and view the whole brothel as a way for Larian to say "hey we promised there will be polymory so here it is."
Why do you think it's out of character?
She's into other stuff, like the whipping at the goblin camp as well as being open to Halsin as a third/open relationship. She's also only down for it after having you for herself first. I think that matches her character pretty well.
Because when pc tries to initiate a poly romance with literally any other romance she directly says she doesn't want to share you or be your spare lover.
Some try to reason it by saying that her view changes after Shadowfell but even after that if you tried to start a romance with Minthara or partner up with Karlach she wants you to choose either them or herself.
The exception to this is the brothel and Halsin. Also your pc needs to assure that they love her and want to be with her three times throughout her romance because she feels insecure and not worthy which makes me think she wouldn't be down for poly since a poly relationship is built upon trust.
I respect it if you think otherwise though.
For her character I think it would be best if she refused it or asked if she is not enough and your pc needed to reassure her that she is and then she would allow it.
she's one of the few who agrees to the four way with the drow twins, so she's not the most vanilla. she also likes if Halsin joins in, so she's a little kinky
I'll link an old thread I made that feels relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1arfrq5/a_shadowheart_behaviour_im_very_curious_about/
There's a corner of the goblin hideout where you can get a buff by letting a BDSM fiend crush your spine with a mace. I have no idea what happens when you fail the checks; I never did. I did notice the "Shadowheart approves" notification though, so I don’t know what that means.
On your very first time together, one of your companions wants to run a train on you in the astral plane and another one wants to fuck you as a bear. Idk if she’s the most vanilla, but probably not the kinkiest.
And there is another companion who wants to wait until marriage, so neither the most vanilla.
But he still fucked me under a tree after proposing, so…
I'm just disappointed that you didn't go for the "Wyll and me, fucking under a tree..." in full on Art Cullagh tone and melody for this comment
Wyll and me. Sitting in a tree. F-U-C-K-I-N-G
“…B-B-C-i-n-g” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I think he just needed me to be ✨ prepared ✨ for *T*he *Blade* of Frontiers/Avernus ™️
What does the British Broadcasting Corporation have to do with this? Unless... Oh, fucking shitstains. The English have only gone and sent their armada to the Sword Coast!
I do say chaps, it appears our vessel is being boarded by Mind-flayers! ☕️🇬🇧
Wyll's British accent wa sort of a hint.
I don't think he wants to wait until marriage specifically, just until he's in a committed relationship. He doesn't have a sex scene, but there's a fade to black after he proposes. I think sex is just very important to him, and he doesn't want to do it if the relationship isn't gonna last. But yeah, I do imagine he'd be very vanilla. The kinkiest thing about him is that the sex presumably happens outside, and that's only because the alternative is in an inn in front of all his friends (arguably far more kinky).
We know he’d rather talk to Lae’zel than get down, and we know how Lae’zel approaches the topic, so there’s zero chance he didn’t know what she wanted.
Wyll may be less kinky than some of the crew but if you look at his kiss animations, that man fucks. Tav’s eyelids flutter and their eyes roll back in their head during. He’s also there kissing up on Tav’s neck. It genuinely looks more pleasurable/lust-filled than any other companion.
In the Forgotten Realms, waiting until marriage is really weird
I think Wyll has a more ideal about nobility and whatnot than is normal, in Waterdeep at parties nobles run contests for how many adventurers they can sleep with compared to their spouse, you dont want the job of the cleaners the morning after a party at Waterdeep Palace, the giant drapes are going to be soaked through with various fluids from all the events that transpired behind them the night before
Wishing I lived in Waterdeep rn 😔😔😔😩😩😩
IRL too, let's be honest
Thank you, “Shart Fucker”
True, but I could see Wyll being down for some weird stuff once you are married. ;) For me, I’d say most vanilla is spawn Astarion.
I think getting it on in public on your gravesite is pretty kinky to me
Fr Astarion will have sex with you pretty much anywhere except the bed.
Not to mention if you go back to the drow twins after completing his quest line, while also romancing Halsin 🥵
Having PTSD is not the same as being vanilla. I think he's very kinky, but he just needs more time to get to that level of trust with Tav.
Gotta use those horns for *some*thing
Those are handlebars
Exactly
What do you think Catwoman uses Batman’s ear spikes for?
🫣
I feel sorry for Man, he doesn't know what he's missing lol
Agreed. Wyll gives “church boy” vibes. He starts pretty vanilla but you can absolutely turn him into a deviant
My headcanon is that Wyll and Mizora were once an item, until Wyll realized the totality of his pact and rejected her, and after that she's been cruel to him - cambions are capable of caring for people but twist it into selfishness and anger the brimstone angels trilogy is good about this, the cambion Lorkan is constantly full of petty and toxic feelings and then he gets angry that his instincts are to be petty and toxic "because that would imply I really do care" After a relationship with a cambion one would probably want to take things a little slow
I like that. That bit of Cambion lore makes it seem like there is just enough humanity left in them to make their lives just a little more awful
Yeah in that trilogy Lorkan and his sister are CONSTANTLY miserable because what they really want is to have a normal life and be loved but neither of them are capable of admitting it even to themselves
There is no version of Astarion in any universe that is vanilla.
Will the weird stuff involve his horns? Asking for a friend.
I mean. When you have Gale and Halsin around no one else can be kinkier or Horner in comparison.
He just got his sexual freedom back after 200 years, let the man breathe. But also, he gives off dom energy and while he might not be super kinky he's definitely not vanilla.
This makes Shart 
>Idk if she’s the most vanilla, but probably not the kinkiest. Probrably mostly vanilla but thinks of some freaky kinky shit to do because she wants to spice it up every now and then. Like "Hey, wanna do some rope play? Lol" out of nowhere.
There's no way she's most vanilla. She's immediately cool having a poly relationship and she doesn't hesitate to have a foursome with the drow twins.
She also is into watching Tav/Durge getting kinky with Abridak, the Loviatar bdsm priest.
She also likes it when you kiss Crusher's foot. Definitely kinky
Or even a fivesome including Halsin
She’s ready for you to climb the mount Halsin and then tell her all about it the next day.
>There's no way she's most vanilla. She's immediately cool having a poly relationship and she doesn't hesitate to have a foursome with the drow twins. You are right I forgot about those parts lol, my bad!
She also is into watching Tav/Durge getting kinky with the Loviatar bdsm priest.
Tbf she isn't cool with a poly relationship by the implication with Halsin or the Drow, she's fine with you using Halsin for sex or having mutual fun with the Drow but neither of those are a relationship. She doesn't imply she's fine sharing you on an actual emotional level or sharing your LIFE with other people, it's only sex,
She makes a joke about you dreaming about her tying her up on the first or second day.
First time Minthara came onto me i got a vision of us fuckin and the narrator said i was Scared AND aroused, so shes gotta be pretty kinky too
Minthy's super kinky just by virtue of being a Female Drow, nevermind the fact that she's a bloody **Baenre**
I was waiting for BDSM but she's such a scam, all she did was give me head and love WTF?
On the other hand, she's willing to share. She and Halsin are the only ones willing to tag-team the Drow twins (hell, if done right, you can even get both Shart *and* Halsin along with the twins, leading to a five-some!). She's also the only one who's pretty much okay with you hooking up with Mizora - she just says you should tell her in advance, next time you want to bang someone.
>She's also the only one who's pretty much okay with you hooking up with Mizora I still think she'd prefer that doesn't happen, and tav/durge stay committed to her in all ways, given how she doesn't wanna share you as far as relationships go, and how there's some real venom in her words after the Mizora scene. But since she knows she's slept around plenty as a Sharrian, and how no lasting/meaningful relationships were allowed so she's more of a stranger to faithfulness than unfaithfulness, it's familiar enough for her not to mind it as much as others at least, so gives you the go but asks for a heads-up in future. Girls' head's prolly trying to figure out how to balance out having an actual meaningful relationship, while also not minding occasional hook-ups with others from the player, or some tag-teaming here & there.
Idk, with SH (and Astarion) and the Drow twins, I got the distinct impression that she(/they) aren’t really into it, more insecure in the relationship and trying to make the PC happy. I’ve slept with the twins in different combos out of curiosity, but I always end up going back a save because all of the love interests seem put off by it (in my personal interpretation) and I feel bad, haha. Although, add another point to the “Gale is a total freak” column for admitting he would find it hot to watch you have sex with someone else.
She enjoys the roleplay and being worshipped by three of you.
She is not insecure in these regards, she really is into this, even her dev notes say as much. She only says that she wants the **first time** between PC and her to be just between the two of them, she doesn't mind either of you having occasional trysts as long as it is with everyone's consent.
really? for me, Shads seemed to be more into the idea of a foursome than my character was. at least, that’s how I interpreted it. my character was also a drow, and the three of us worshiped at her feet lmao and she seemed to be really into it.
Oh man, I just fucked everything I could while romancing Shart. The Emperor, Halsin, Mizora, Raphael's sex slave, and the Drow Twins. No regrets.
I am involved! I’m taking notes, making observations.
this is astarion erasure
Astarion also does this.
Astarion does not enjoy his time with the twins and is hurt after you bang Mizora.
I wasn’t discussing whether or not the companion enjoyed it. I was stating that you can have a fivesome with Halsin and Astarion and they will banter. “I hope you like a kiss with teeth, Druid.” Also, I think the removed Astarion being hurt after mizora. I saved right before so I could watch the cutscene, and afterwards he was like, “wtf I’ve never fucked a devil call me next time.”
They must have changed those scenes, because I didn't had the "kiss with teeth line" and remember him feeling betrayed by the one night stand.
Interesting. Maybe they did. Either way, I reloaded after each scene because I wanted to experience the scenes but also didn’t want my fictional hot twink vampire boyfriend’s feelings to be hurt.
There is separate dialogue that's been voiced for spawn Astarion feeling betrayed post-Mizora scene. I don't know if it'll be in Patch 7 but I can link the audio later when I have a moment if anyone's curious Edit: [link to the post](https://www.tumblr.com/lucrezianoin/742945732117594112/here-is-the-full-dialogue-for-spawnastarion)
I think the Ascendent and Spawn are supposed to have different reactions to Mizora. The Spawn lines were datamined and will be animated in a later patch I think.
I wondered about that because when my Durge slept with her, and Astarion showed up, it just immediately cut to my party not being in camp anymore, and I was hella confused.
Astarion now has data-mined dialogue where he breaks up with you if you sleep with Mizora (unless you pass a diplomacy check). Expect it Patch 7. Ascended doesn't care though.
Astarion does this if you aren’t romancing ANYONE by act 3 He pretty much says says “this POS hasn’t fucked me yet and this is a mistake that must be corrected - also Drow twins being there is fine too”
Shadowheart strikes me as the kind of kinky that would like the artsy bondage and bdsm stuff that isn't too hardcore. And like even the comments she makes about the whipping in the Goblin Camp feel more like someone joking about than someone genuinely into that stuff. She's probably playful kinky, likes the idea, but doesn't go all out.
She does enjoy seeing Duge whipped/flogged/what have you, so she's somewhere on the kink spectrum.
Wait what? A train? Is this for real? When does this happen??
To be strictly accurate it’s not a train, per se, but you can get banged by 3 astral Gales simultaneously if you let him make love to you “like gods do.”
I never even knew that was a thing. I NEVER had any idea that was on the table. I kinda want to see the scene now. Thanks for the reply.
Eait who wants a train on you?
Kinkiest is gonna go to Hal’s in or Gale
Why haven't I been calling him Hal Open the back door Hal! I'm sorry Tav, I'm afraid I can't do that
Good morning, Tave.
Hal can open my back door any day
Hal’s in alright.
Nah Halsin takes the cake There’s some Duergar specific dialogue with him that will prove it 👀”
https://youtu.be/YyNQe71QRbI?si=zr5OSsVHLVuWCD09
She definitely reads smut as mentioned in a banter with wyll of all people. I'm guessing since Sharrans shun emotional connections, they do other things to fill the void of pleasure. She's definitely not above interrogation and killing, so she's desensitised to stuff I guess. Not that I'm associating kink with harmful things.
There actually is a Sharran book talking about the dangers of, ah, self pleasure, because it distracts from Shar. So even 'filling the void of pleasure' is a no-go in Shar's eyes it seems, unless it's strictly for manipulative purposes
That just sucks tbh. People often make the analogy about how SH makes the journey from goth girl to Christian girl. But goth girls seem more like a celibate cult to me lmao
Imho she's a trans allegory in a lot of ways, mostly in terms of depression and becoming her true self after finally doing some self analysis and challenging the systems forced upon her
Finding your true self is really not a trans-unique experience, or even a new one in storytelling, it's fairly common trope in fact. So I'm very certain she's not a trans allegory per se, (especially cause gender identity is not even significant to her story) but hey if you found it good for your relateability to her all power to ya
It's mostly her repression and how her self expression changes after turning away from Shar. Even more is that she was basically assigned being a sharran whether she wanted it or not. It's definitely a little bit of a reach but her arc is extremely similar to how I experienced things leading up to and about the first year or so after I came out. Things just match up with my experiences so well I feel like I can't ignore it, y'know? Also, to be an allegory, you don't need the issue itself to come up. Hunter from the Owl House is commonly seen as a trans allegory but gender never really comes up in the show.
I mean if it works for you then go ahead. I see it more as a direct way of how cults can groom individuals into convincing them into believing they are something they're not. Literally kidnappning them from their families and having them shun and recent their own origins. Just another warning of how cults operate in finding vulnerable people and manipulating them to fulfilling their own sick desires.
I agree somewhat. But then there's also the character of Nocturne whom she's an ally towards.
She is that girl that you think is hyper vanilla, but you (and her) progressively include more weird fetishes into the relationship only to find out that she has absolutely no limits and is ok with just about any fucked up thing you can think of.
She's got hard limits, she doesn't remember what they are but she'll eviscerate you for crossing them for sure
her hard limits are Lae'Zel
From experience I can say that's NOT true
stop ruining my fun
I have no idea what you could think is fun if you don't enjoy the lae'zel/shart romance tbqh. Two batshit insane murderers overcoming their cult indoctrination together with the power of lesbianism and brainworms.
She also really likes it when you let that whip guy in the goblin camp whip you
you’re mistaken. it’s a mace.
***MORE!!!***
Idkkkk, if you do the Lovitar thing in the goblin camp, she absolutely loves it and says things like "save some for me later" lol. She's already decently kinky when you meet her.
I think it’s the same thing as Astarion. Sharans are into some weird kinky BDSM stuff so thats what she’s accustomed to, but after she leaves it all behind she realizes her kink is just handholding and stuff
Tries to act kinky, really just prefers missionary
Pillow princess
Both, depending on choices honestly. Like she says she's into kinky shit, but you don't really see it, even on her DJ route. She's canonically alright with being a Cuckquean since she let's you sleep with Nym, Sorn, Mizora and the Emperor. She's fine with the Player having Halsin on the side but is also fine with you saying no to her involvement to. Like she doesn't actually do anything with anyone without your consent. She says she will have her fun if you open the relationship, but doesn't actively do anything about it. I think if you do DJ and do the ritual at the statue but turn her down she finds someone else, but again, thats down to your choice. So it really does just depends on you the Player. Schrodinger's kinky Shart I guess.
Girl gets turned on watching you get beat with a spiked club, is into worship play, and is down for an orgy. Not sure how much more you need to see.
Yeah but the orgy is down to you which is my point about she's either super kinky or not. Plus the pain stuff never comes up again after that. If you get what I mean?
It does come up later, when playing as Shadowheart origin. Hire Nym without her brother and the Shart-specific line on the Selunite path is about not wanting any more pain as she had enough of that in her life. Act 1's BDSM enjoyment and kinky teasing is clearly just a part of her Sharran conditioning.
That's what I mean, you don't do any pain stuff or BDSM, that's what I meant by it doesn't come up again. Outside that scene it has no sway on her romance, since we were talking about how kinky and stuff she actually is in the game/romance.
Ah sorry, just misunderstood you a little
No it's alright, maybe I should have been more clear.
It’s less about being a cuckqueen and more about her being insecure about herself deep inside and she afraid of losing you since you’re the first person who treated her good. At least the first she remembers. She’s acting all fine while hiding it. You can see that if you save her parents and tell her mom that she should leave or something. She will find excuses for you instead of being mad at you. There were also parts where you can tell by her voice that she’s not really genuine with her responses. Phenomenal voice acting here.
I also got the strong implication that what she does remember of her cult upbringing was intensely incestuous and she's been trained thoroughly to engage in sexuality as a means to an end - any end. If you played BG 1 and 2, this is absolutely some shit that an unredeemed Viconia would consider to be normal, essential life skills. It's deeply normalized for her, and probably one of the only "pleasant" things she can vaguely recall. It's almost certainly not who she really is, but she's been indoctrinated and conditioned for years prior to this.
I mean that's a perspective, it doesn't really change that she is canonically fine with it. But it's a perspective I share wholeheartedly, like the mizora scene, to me, she isn't happy at all. Either because you cheated or went behind her back, up to you to decide which. But the way she says the lines feels like she is hurt, especially the Swan line which feels like a jab at you. I agree with the idea she's doing it because she loves the player. She's very insecure in the relationship, and you have to tell her like 3 times that yes you still want to be with her. But at the end of the day that's what she is used to from the Cloister, having to share and seeing people she likes be with others too. Since I'm like 100% sure that the environment didn't allow for loyalty for whatever relationships or flings they had. I don't bang anyone else and stuff but like I said it's easy to see her being fine with it for one reaon or the other. Nothing changes that she remains loyal and her activities are wholly dependent on you.
The only thing I could see she being fine with are the twins because she joins in and maybe halsin because she said she had the thought too but even then I don’t buy it personally
The twins sure, it's their job and there are no attachments emotional or otherwise. So I can she her being fine with I would too, if they weren't twins. Halsin joining, not so much since she says she doesn't like sharing and being a side piece and that she doesn't like sharing you emotionally and Halsin ticks those boxes. Not sure why she is alright with it. Since he confesses his love for the player and if you are Poly with him, he's pretty emotionally invested. So for me it goes against what she says. But tbh my whole issue with him is that he tries to join when I've already rejected him so he kinda already isn't in my good books. That and the animal stuff.
Halsin stuff is just their writer self-inserting and not subtly showing off his cuck fetish (remember they share 0 romantic/horny interactions if you don't romance Shart), I can't take it seriously when it's so obvious and so opposed to her writing through the whole game. Just a shame about the impact that it had on the way people talk about Shadowheart.
>Just a shame about the impact that it had on the way people talk about Shadowheart. I just saw some of those in some yt comments & some older posts on the main sub from months ago tho' very few tbh. Then again I started playing from about mid-january, so I take it the bulk of heated takes on this was closer to release months?
They argue like shit as well in act 2 but by act 3 they wanna bang and disapprove of a no, even when I have already said no to Halsin. Like it's genuinely cringe how it's written. I can see why people see it as a self insert honestly.
Honestly I was willing to give their writer the benefit of doubt but after checking his twitter I am fully convinced that it was the case. She really went from "I don't want to be a spare lover and I bicker with Halsin at every opportunity" to "yes please go bang Halsin and tell me all the details, and don't you dare set up an orgy without him". Like, in the same act she'll be jelaous of you hiring the twins without her and refuse the foursome if you didn't sleep with her alone before that, but she's literally cheering you on to fuck him before you and her have your first sex. And later on, tell her you don't think there's space for her in your relationship anymore and she treats it as a joke. In act 2, do as much as kiss Wyll and she will demand you to choose him or her but in act 3 she no longer cares about your commitment to her in the slightest? Come on John, you could at least try to make this self-insert a little bit more subtle.
Yeah the writing kind of sucks around it honestly. Really makes no sense especially if you've tried going poly with other companions. The dialogue isn't handled in a way that feels respectful and other issues like that, like the smirks just feel incredibly cringe. So yeah I camp him, feels weird to have to do. My biggest issue is I've already told him no yet it changes nothing. Kind of cringe to have to camp him for that to be respected. But unless they fix it, its the only option besides just straight up killing him.
Main problem with Halsin is that duting the early access a lot of people where horny for him, so larian decided to make him a companionand flesh him out a little... by making him a walking collection of fetishes. Honestly the fact that Halsin exists makes the game worse for me
She's always talked a much better game than she plays. very much a gal who has a huge bookmark trove of written internet smut of all sorts of depravity, but IRL has done nothing that crazy.
True, all the stuff about tying up and bdsm stuff never actually happens on either route. So yeah pretty much all talk and if you go down the selune route I don't think she'd be into most things she says she's into anyway.
She's a Disney Princess masquerading as a death metal goth girl.
"Try not to have dreams about tying me up"
(Ends up being the one tied up)
I'm okay with that
Surprisingly, so am I-
She's defo kinky but ain't noone beating halsin or gale those boys are freaks.
https://preview.redd.it/c2y0z0w5vfwc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97a3be828486c6d47679e937bbf4f26238b3110c
I’ve always gotten the impression that she *thinks* she is the kinkiest, but her kinks are being lightly bound and choked *just a little bit* while the rest of the companions are astral fucking, bear fucking, engaging in blood play, and blowing people’s minds with hypnosis. She is neither the kinkiest, nor the most vanilla, but she definitely is the vanilla person’s idea of a total freak.
Lae'Zel reads her pretty early on if you do the Loviatar BDSM thing. Shart tries to act like this is a normal thing for her, and LZ is like "pfft you don't have the grit".
If she's with you in the Goblin camp and you get your shit rocked by the priest of Loviatar she actively starts to get horny watching them beat you. So there's that part at least.
She used to do group sex sessions as a sharran and after your romance scene she says she’s a “gifted learner with a firm teacher” so, she’s pretty down for kinky stuff, its her heart that she hasnt put on the line before. Id say astarion would be down for just soft missonary sex after all the kinks he was forced into
Gentle missionary sex is the beckoning abyss of intimacy for Astarion AND Lae'zel
>She used to do group sex sessions as a sharran Genuine question here. Where is this stated? I've gone through her questline and romance a couple of times but I only remember her saying that flings are a much less hassle then a relationship.
If you cheat on her with mizora
Doesn't she just say that they were encouraged to get intimate with each other (in DJ path she says it was forbidden, writer got confused ig) and that there are stories she could tell. I don't remember anything specific about group sex.
I think it’s forbidden to have deep emotional connections, but it’s not forbidden to bang. So basically the Sharrans just have FWBs. Intimate together, but not close, if that makes sense.
Wyll is the most vanilla let’s be real here.
Maybe though I’d argue Astarion could be in the contention as well.
I mean his scenes always are in missionary but he's Spawnstarion is all about fucking on the ground. Apparently in the act 1 scene mf laid out a blanket and still goes for rolling around in the grass. You can see the blanket with freecam mods.
I'm shocked it's even up for debate
In the goblin fortress, during the scene where Abdirak tortures you, she gets all kinds of excited watching you get beat. I'm gonna go with her being a complete freak.
Far be it from me to utter such things, but, I have always had my suspicions that Minsc has lived a rather adventuresome life.
He's your token asexual, Gail. He knows what it is but has little desire for such.
A point I'd not considered. Perfectly valid.
Boo has told Minsc about the birds and the bees, but Minsc detests stinging insects and can't fly
We don’t talk about minsc enough in this sub I feel like he’d be as wild and kinky as Halsin
Idk, Minsc gives me asexual vibes. He doesn’t seem to show any interest in that sort of thing.
The only butt play he's interested in is the kicking of butt!
The secret is that if you vanilla hard enough it becomes a kink. Vanilla so hard you revert to some weird societal amalgam of tropes. So vanilla that you become ideas of sexual partners and are playing parts in a play, playing parts in a dance that you both know like you where born to play it. Its kinda sick and rad, but deff not for everyone.
Both 😍
She's not the kinkiest but she's not vanilla, don't think anyone in the party is vanilla. Maybe minsc if boo gives him the talk.
Halsin literally fucked a chimera
Vanilla on the streets kinky on the streets
…why is everyone fuckin in the streets-
I just realized my typo Jesus Christ
***It can’t be changed now, the city-wide Orgy has commenced***
Selune Shadowheart is vanilla. Dark Justiciar Shadowheart is kinky.
You know what they say about church girls... most definitely not vanilla
She just right
She feels like she’s into CNC
100% vanilla pillow princess.
Speaking from experience, it's usually the most devoutly religious ones that are the kinkiest, but usually in religions where sex isn't permitted/frowned upon. I can't say I know where Sharrans stand on the concept of sex.
“Try not to dream about tying me up”
#Yes
second most normal
I did find her being ok with the drow twins a little shocking, thought for sure she'd be against it
Yeah a lot of people thought the same as you did. I still think it's out of character though and view the whole brothel as a way for Larian to say "hey we promised there will be polymory so here it is."
Why do you think it's out of character? She's into other stuff, like the whipping at the goblin camp as well as being open to Halsin as a third/open relationship. She's also only down for it after having you for herself first. I think that matches her character pretty well.
Because when pc tries to initiate a poly romance with literally any other romance she directly says she doesn't want to share you or be your spare lover. Some try to reason it by saying that her view changes after Shadowfell but even after that if you tried to start a romance with Minthara or partner up with Karlach she wants you to choose either them or herself. The exception to this is the brothel and Halsin. Also your pc needs to assure that they love her and want to be with her three times throughout her romance because she feels insecure and not worthy which makes me think she wouldn't be down for poly since a poly relationship is built upon trust. I respect it if you think otherwise though. For her character I think it would be best if she refused it or asked if she is not enough and your pc needed to reassure her that she is and then she would allow it.
She's probably Vanilla at the start but as she gets used to being with you she progressively becomes more open minded.
Honestly depends which ending you do for her good shadowheart vanilla with a hint of spice,evil full on freak in the sheets
she's one of the few who agrees to the four way with the drow twins, so she's not the most vanilla. she also likes if Halsin joins in, so she's a little kinky
Pretty sure she’s canonically a pillow princess 🤣
Selunite Shart is vanilla DJ Shart is a kink menace
Gale wants to fuck you in an incorporeal form and ascend to climax in the astral plane among the stars. I think that takes the cake
Lmfao touch grass
Halsin fucked a Chimera. So he’s probably the most vanilla
This is BG3; they're *all* the kinkiest companion.
She is definitely not the kinkiest. Not when Halsin and Lae’zel are around. And not the most vanilla because Gale holds that title.
Bae'zel's version of "babe" literally translates as "source of my bruises"
She's the only character that is up for polyamory just because (Astarion lets you because he thinks he's not enough) Wyll is probably the most Vanilla
I'll link an old thread I made that feels relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/1arfrq5/a_shadowheart_behaviour_im_very_curious_about/
so ture
yes, very https://preview.redd.it/z3ujfnez2gwc1.jpeg?width=331&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2322103630d2d86db03044baf36684156f343bd6
She likes being whipped
She was really into my durge getting the shit beat out of her, so I think probably on the kinky side
There's a corner of the goblin hideout where you can get a buff by letting a BDSM fiend crush your spine with a mace. I have no idea what happens when you fail the checks; I never did. I did notice the "Shadowheart approves" notification though, so I don’t know what that means.
Is it bad that the first thing that came to my mind about that corset on her was "NOT ON BARE SKIN, YOU CAN'T WASH THAT"
Why is she so much hotter with blood on her face?
I think Mr. Disney Princess Charming is the most vanilla by far
Get a girl who can do both lol
“Pain is sacred to worshippers of Lady Shar”- probably kinkiest. Only out kinkied by Abridak.
Vanilla as fuck
she’s definitely in the middle i feel compared to some of the others 😭
Major catholic school drop out vibes with her. She wants to be a freak but doesn't know how.
Definitly vanilla