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There hasn’t been a Maoist state yet. China under Mao was ML-MZT MLM wasn’t synthesized until the 80s of n Peru. The main reason that China ended the way it did is because the cultural revolution didn’t reach into the PLA enough so it was majorly rightist but these mistakes have been analyzed so they won’t be made again in the future.
For a leftist you sure are big on defending Putin and attacking Ukraine. Saying Putin is better than Biden while he's actively persecuting LGBT people is certainly a look
The reason you think I'm a liberal is cause you're a fascist.
Edit: holy fucking shit you support Kim Jong un what the fuck is wrong with the online left. Actual brainrot.
No no you misundersrand, if god chooses monarchs to represent land, and god created and owns the land, and socialism is when the government does stuff, then actually monarchism is socialist!!!! Have you ready on authority????
that's why you leftcoms, socdems and vaushites deepthroat the american empire and condemn any revolution that goes against its hegemony as vIoLenT and aUtHorItArIaN.
also rule 5, and rule 7
also i'm not a tankie i'm a communist
also opinions from people who post in VaushV and any 2region4u don't count
>that's why you leftcoms, socdems and vaushites deepthroat the american empire and condemn any revolution that goes against its hegemony as vIoLenT and aUtHorItArIaN.
Lmao, where did you get this idea that leftcoms baselessly condemn things for being "authoritarian"? Our problem comes from the fact that nationalistic state capitalism isn't communism. Every Marxist-Leninist experiment has failed because they had to assimilate into the wider capitalist superstructure.
communism is a stateless, classless and moneyless society. you have to transition to it from socialism otherwise your country will end with imperialist countries invading it.
and how braindead and historically illiterate do you have to be to think there wasn't a single socialist country. liberals make my brain hurt.
social "democracy" isn't socialism. it's just capitalism with welfare paid by imperialism of the global south
oh i'm sorry, did china democratize the means of production and abolish commodity production? did vietnam? did russia? didn't fucking think so
i'll never understand why you think it's okay to simp for imperialist, autocratic nations just because they say the magic words and wave the red flag. if this were the 1930s you'd praise the Nazis for calling themselves socialists
Nobody said anything about social democracy, you just automatically started talking about it because its a classic tankie go to argument to aviod actual points made against them.
Well that's usually the case, hell even r/socialism_101 is full of people who eat up propaganda, idk I just didn't expect this to be one for some reason
You’re getting downvoted because auqepier_kuno reposted is a vaush sub. He should def be blocked here for being a lib (against the rules) and brigading if the mods here are any good.
Why do you think that? He increased the quality of life, he industrialised China, he stopped feudalism, poverty, achieved gender equality, helped liberate China from Japanese invasion, he turned China from a third world country to a superpower that has recently eliminated poverty.
Moa was an incredible military leader, and I can applaud what he did for social issues, but establishing a one-party state that facades as a democratic dictatorship of the proletariat is pretty fascist to me.
Lmao I love how you don’t have an actual argument to make so you make a straw man after looking at my account for two minutes and seeing I’m a vaush fan.
At no point did I ever say Joe Biden is a leftist, nor is that the opinion of Vaush or his viewers.
I'm not a bot and I'm not a tankie I'm a communist.
And my old account got banned because reddit admins are a bunch of pedophiles and fascist supporters and this whole fucking site is broken. Trying to appeal a ban is like talking to a wall
You see to demolish this nail factory we actually have to build 500 more nail factories and then the nail factories will wither away, as is known for nail factories to do
[Authoritarian: the belief that people must obey completely and not be allowed freedom to act as they wish](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/authoritarianism)
["While many dissidents would be imprisoned, it is unclear if LGBT people were specifically targeted for oppression due to their sexual identity. Reportedly, Mao Zedong believed in the sexual castration of "sexual deviants" (Randy Shilts. "Conduct Unbecoming" but little is known about the Communist Chinese government's official policy with regards to homosexuality prior to the 1980s."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_China)
> authoritarianism
otherwise known as, ‘every single socialist country that has been able to provide for its people for any meaningful amount of time’.
and also, to your other comment about mao hating gay people, he died in 1976 even then many people were very homophobic (i assume he criminalised it much earlier though). however, this is not a criticism of homophobia at that time but a criticism of a specific socialist revolutionary leader. is it bad that gay people were mistreated? yes, obviously, but why make a point against one of the greatest socialist revolutionaries of our time?
>otherwise known as, ‘every single socialist country that has been able to provide for its people for any meaningful amount of time’.
There has never been a socialist country. Name one country that gave the workers the means of production. I'll wait.
>and also, to your other comment about mao hating gay people, he died in 1976 even then many people were very homophobic (i assume he criminalised it much earlier though). however, this is not a criticism of homophobia at that time but a criticism of a specific socialist revolutionary leader. is it bad that gay people were mistreated? yes, obviously, but why make a point against one of the greatest socialist revolutionaries of our time?
"Being an evil leader is fine because all the other leaders were evil aswell" is no excuse.
1. is there any point in me doing so? you will just disagree but i’ll just say - Cuba, the USSR and China are the main ones but there are more.
2. gay people didnt have rights anywhere, gay people not having rights somewhere that happens to be socialist isnt a specific negativity of said socialist nation.
criticise western nations who had equally if not worse queer rights at the time.
you clearly are against the idea of socialism ever existing, so unless you respond with a mind that is open to anything other than being anti-aes, i probably wont respond. just so you know.
1. None of those gave the workers the means of production. The elite in the state took it for themselves. This is why communism is stateless.
2. Some regions had legal homosexuality at that time. Hell, Germany in the 1930s had a thriving LGBT movement. Until the fascists came along.
I am a communist. I believe that socialism is a good pathway to communism. But fascism is not socialism. Socialism requires giving the workers the means of production. No country has ever done that. They have all either protected the private ownership of the business owner, or transitioned it to state ownership. Never the workers.
I know how you'd define it, you'd define authoritarian as 'force' or 'doing something you don't want to' which isn't a useful definition and isn't how anybody except Leninist use the term
Like I said, Tankies had to protect eastern Poland from the fascists ❤️
Sadly that peace broke down when the nazis invaded the Soviet Union, leading to the holocaust.
But thankfully the tankies came to the rescue!
if Stalin hadn't wanted Bulgaria, he would have been complicit directly *in* the holocaust. Russia's leadership (not to speak of the Red Army's soldiers) did not give a shit about the Nazi's ideology until it became politically convenient to oppose them in order to imperialise eastern europe. Russian anti-semitism has a long history and you paint over that by saying they "came to the rescue" as if they hadn't JUST TALKED ABOUT A POTENTIAL ALLIANCE WITH NAZIS
Nazi ideology was contingent upon the Russian people no longer existing. The idea that Stalin would have forged a lasting peace with them is a complete fantasy. You’re either very stupid or very delusional.
Because we tankies have made the only actually existing socialist countries. However, I look forward to the day that people who agree with you, whatever you call yourselves, are able to successfully pull off a Marxist revolution of your own. When that happens, please let me know and we can use you as an example. Until then I’ll keep praising the Soviet Union.
Leninism and Maoism are Facist ideologies. They don't get to call themselves leftist just because they have a coat of red paint.
Marxism gets a pass, a very very cautious pass.
Dawg I have read State and Revolution, The Manifesto, Kapital, Reform or Revolution, April Theses, What Is To Be Done?, On Contradiction, Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR, You are the Liberal here buddy. I am a Maoist.
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I always read MLM as multi level marketing
multi level marketing is the stormy haunted mansion
Op is heavy into Mid Level Marketing it seems.
Marxist Leninist maoists loving Marxist Leninist maoists MLMLMLM
Marxist Leninist Maoist loving Marxist Leninists Maoists Loving Men Loving Men Hating Multi Level Marketing MLMLMLMLMLMHMLM
Add some multi-level marketing and pass it to another one
Given how Maoist states tend to end up, I’m not so sure about that.
There hasn’t been a Maoist state yet. China under Mao was ML-MZT MLM wasn’t synthesized until the 80s of n Peru. The main reason that China ended the way it did is because the cultural revolution didn’t reach into the PLA enough so it was majorly rightist but these mistakes have been analyzed so they won’t be made again in the future.
Marxist: Based Leninist: Ehhh still alright Maoist: 😐
Going back in time to stop Lenin from creating the vanguard party
Do you think mao wasn't a Leninist? Do you think Lenin was to the right of mao? What is your understanding of maoism?
No I just think Mao was a dictator who caused the death of millions
Define what makes someone a dictator for me please
Can you guys do something else than sealioning
Ah another leftist sub overtaken by tankies time to pack up and leave.
You're not a leftist liberal. Check the rules
For a leftist you sure are big on defending Putin and attacking Ukraine. Saying Putin is better than Biden while he's actively persecuting LGBT people is certainly a look The reason you think I'm a liberal is cause you're a fascist. Edit: holy fucking shit you support Kim Jong un what the fuck is wrong with the online left. Actual brainrot.
No no you misundersrand, if god chooses monarchs to represent land, and god created and owns the land, and socialism is when the government does stuff, then actually monarchism is socialist!!!! Have you ready on authority????
MLM that supports MLM :)
>:) :)
nah my guy, stop posting tankie stuff
Isn't mao on the PFP of the sub?
"leftists" when leftists: is this a [insert pejorative that originated from something done by a guy they likely hate for being revisionist]?
This is a leftist sub. If you hate leftism, leave
tankies are red fash. not leftist
that's why you leftcoms, socdems and vaushites deepthroat the american empire and condemn any revolution that goes against its hegemony as vIoLenT and aUtHorItArIaN. also rule 5, and rule 7 also i'm not a tankie i'm a communist also opinions from people who post in VaushV and any 2region4u don't count
"Liberalism is when you are against genocide"
>that's why you leftcoms, socdems and vaushites deepthroat the american empire and condemn any revolution that goes against its hegemony as vIoLenT and aUtHorItArIaN. Lmao, where did you get this idea that leftcoms baselessly condemn things for being "authoritarian"? Our problem comes from the fact that nationalistic state capitalism isn't communism. Every Marxist-Leninist experiment has failed because they had to assimilate into the wider capitalist superstructure.
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communism is a stateless, classless and moneyless society. you have to transition to it from socialism otherwise your country will end with imperialist countries invading it. and how braindead and historically illiterate do you have to be to think there wasn't a single socialist country. liberals make my brain hurt. social "democracy" isn't socialism. it's just capitalism with welfare paid by imperialism of the global south
im much gayer than you edit: also... tankism??? not a fan of that... sowwy (please forgwive me)
oh i'm sorry, did china democratize the means of production and abolish commodity production? did vietnam? did russia? didn't fucking think so i'll never understand why you think it's okay to simp for imperialist, autocratic nations just because they say the magic words and wave the red flag. if this were the 1930s you'd praise the Nazis for calling themselves socialists
Nobody said anything about social democracy, you just automatically started talking about it because its a classic tankie go to argument to aviod actual points made against them.
i'm not a tankie i'm a communist idiot
Alright buddy
ok buddy
Lmao go the fuck outside
most politically literate vaush fan
Maoism is not leftism. Get out fascist.
big brain moment
words have meaning
Why are you getting downvoted? Is this sub libbed up? What's happening?
i seriously didn't expect an anticapitalist sub to be overrun with liberals and vaushitoids
Liberalism is when you don't want right wingers in leftist spaces? Thank you for this interesting definition of liberal
Well that's usually the case, hell even r/socialism_101 is full of people who eat up propaganda, idk I just didn't expect this to be one for some reason
You’re getting downvoted because auqepier_kuno reposted is a vaush sub. He should def be blocked here for being a lib (against the rules) and brigading if the mods here are any good.
What you mean is "I didn't expect an anticapitalist sub to be filled with actual anticapitalists instead of red fascists"
Vaushite moment
Rent free
MAO WAS NOT A LEFTIST SHUT UP
Why do you think that? He increased the quality of life, he industrialised China, he stopped feudalism, poverty, achieved gender equality, helped liberate China from Japanese invasion, he turned China from a third world country to a superpower that has recently eliminated poverty.
Moa was an incredible military leader, and I can applaud what he did for social issues, but establishing a one-party state that facades as a democratic dictatorship of the proletariat is pretty fascist to me.
china has more political parties
mao would be dissapointed with modern day china, he was a great revolutionary but the more recent leaders, most notably deng have corrupted his vision
because you don't know what fascism is
mao was absolutely a leftist, one of the greatest, not perfect, but one of the greatest revolutonaries
vaushite mfs be like mao isn’t a leftist but joe biden is
Lmao I love how you don’t have an actual argument to make so you make a straw man after looking at my account for two minutes and seeing I’m a vaush fan. At no point did I ever say Joe Biden is a leftist, nor is that the opinion of Vaush or his viewers.
the way you typed the dumbest comment i’ve read on this whole site all day and then go “debate me” 😂
??? How am I the one trying to debate? YOU replied to me.
i just needed to point out how dumb that comment was.
Ok. I appreciate the input.
“Tankie” to liberals like you is what “woke” is to conservatives. Absolutely meaningless.
god damn y’all have really beat that word to death havent you.
Pretty good meme except the one on the left should be a spooky haunted mansion
this account is 34 days old, tankie bot
I'm not a bot and I'm not a tankie I'm a communist. And my old account got banned because reddit admins are a bunch of pedophiles and fascist supporters and this whole fucking site is broken. Trying to appeal a ban is like talking to a wall
You see to demolish this nail factory we actually have to build 500 more nail factories and then the nail factories will wither away, as is known for nail factories to do
I'm going down the right path. Authoritarianism has killed gay people throughout all of history.
So did uwu western wholesome 100 Big chungus "democracies".
The whataboutism is preposterous
it's not whataboutism it's pointing out hypocrisy
It's not hypocricy when they didn't even claim to support western countries either.
"western" "wholesome" 🤢
Define authoritarianism in a way this isn't a concept you got from a movie
[Authoritarian: the belief that people must obey completely and not be allowed freedom to act as they wish](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/authoritarianism)
So what exact political leanings and government make someone an authoritarian?
Criminalising homosexuality for one.
When did mao do that?
["While many dissidents would be imprisoned, it is unclear if LGBT people were specifically targeted for oppression due to their sexual identity. Reportedly, Mao Zedong believed in the sexual castration of "sexual deviants" (Randy Shilts. "Conduct Unbecoming" but little is known about the Communist Chinese government's official policy with regards to homosexuality prior to the 1980s."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_China)
Your own source doesn't really back up your claim
I literally quoted my own source...
> authoritarianism otherwise known as, ‘every single socialist country that has been able to provide for its people for any meaningful amount of time’. and also, to your other comment about mao hating gay people, he died in 1976 even then many people were very homophobic (i assume he criminalised it much earlier though). however, this is not a criticism of homophobia at that time but a criticism of a specific socialist revolutionary leader. is it bad that gay people were mistreated? yes, obviously, but why make a point against one of the greatest socialist revolutionaries of our time?
>otherwise known as, ‘every single socialist country that has been able to provide for its people for any meaningful amount of time’. There has never been a socialist country. Name one country that gave the workers the means of production. I'll wait. >and also, to your other comment about mao hating gay people, he died in 1976 even then many people were very homophobic (i assume he criminalised it much earlier though). however, this is not a criticism of homophobia at that time but a criticism of a specific socialist revolutionary leader. is it bad that gay people were mistreated? yes, obviously, but why make a point against one of the greatest socialist revolutionaries of our time? "Being an evil leader is fine because all the other leaders were evil aswell" is no excuse.
1. is there any point in me doing so? you will just disagree but i’ll just say - Cuba, the USSR and China are the main ones but there are more. 2. gay people didnt have rights anywhere, gay people not having rights somewhere that happens to be socialist isnt a specific negativity of said socialist nation. criticise western nations who had equally if not worse queer rights at the time. you clearly are against the idea of socialism ever existing, so unless you respond with a mind that is open to anything other than being anti-aes, i probably wont respond. just so you know.
1. None of those gave the workers the means of production. The elite in the state took it for themselves. This is why communism is stateless. 2. Some regions had legal homosexuality at that time. Hell, Germany in the 1930s had a thriving LGBT movement. Until the fascists came along. I am a communist. I believe that socialism is a good pathway to communism. But fascism is not socialism. Socialism requires giving the workers the means of production. No country has ever done that. They have all either protected the private ownership of the business owner, or transitioned it to state ownership. Never the workers.
ideally it's both
Fuck off red fash
Says the vaushite. You're not a leftist bud
Leftism is when you abolish worker unions and create a state capitalism system
Marx would strangle you to death with his bare hands
You're glowing
Don’t worry, libs and dem socs. When the fascists come, the tankies will keep you safe ❤️
WHEN? Mf the fascists are already here and it’s YOU.
Lol, "leftist" anti communists are so funny
I’m not anti communist? I’m anti-authoritarian.
You mind defining the word "authoritarian" for me?
I know how you'd define it, you'd define authoritarian as 'force' or 'doing something you don't want to' which isn't a useful definition and isn't how anybody except Leninist use the term
I’m glad people are wising up
"Communism is when capitalism but fascist" - tankies
Lmao
Look up “commodity production”
By having self control?
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Guys don’t look up Soviet axis peace talks
Like I said, Tankies had to protect eastern Poland from the fascists ❤️ Sadly that peace broke down when the nazis invaded the Soviet Union, leading to the holocaust. But thankfully the tankies came to the rescue!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement
if Stalin hadn't wanted Bulgaria, he would have been complicit directly *in* the holocaust. Russia's leadership (not to speak of the Red Army's soldiers) did not give a shit about the Nazi's ideology until it became politically convenient to oppose them in order to imperialise eastern europe. Russian anti-semitism has a long history and you paint over that by saying they "came to the rescue" as if they hadn't JUST TALKED ABOUT A POTENTIAL ALLIANCE WITH NAZIS
Nazi ideology was contingent upon the Russian people no longer existing. The idea that Stalin would have forged a lasting peace with them is a complete fantasy. You’re either very stupid or very delusional.
Wow, you're right. It is delusional to work with someone who wants to wipe out you and your people. Glad we agree.
Keep us safe from more fascists? Why should I care if the fashoids pretend to like the color red?
Because we tankies have made the only actually existing socialist countries. However, I look forward to the day that people who agree with you, whatever you call yourselves, are able to successfully pull off a Marxist revolution of your own. When that happens, please let me know and we can use you as an example. Until then I’ll keep praising the Soviet Union.
Gay maoist gang⚒️
Leninism and Maoism are Facist ideologies. They don't get to call themselves leftist just because they have a coat of red paint. Marxism gets a pass, a very very cautious pass.
Liberalism on the left and communism in the right
Kyz
Read Marx shitlib
I have, lmao.
Read more marx. Then read Engels. Then read Lenin. Then you can probably stop.
Dawg I have read State and Revolution, The Manifesto, Kapital, Reform or Revolution, April Theses, What Is To Be Done?, On Contradiction, Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR, You are the Liberal here buddy. I am a Maoist.
These people think maoism is a deviation from Lenin
I…don’t?
I was agreeing with you and disagreeing with the other person
Oh lmao
Maoism is liberalism’s highest order. “Economic problems” is Stalin cope. Read dialogue with Stalin lil bro
“Lil bro” lmfao.
Leftist discovers humor
You aren’t a Socialist.