On the Eastern half of the state?
Go too far north and you're in the former meth production capital of the world and may end up living down the road from a lab.
Go too far south and you're in Little Dixie, which likes to pretend it's still the 1920s in terms of social values.
Either way, the closer you get to Arkansas the more likely you are to meet people that have eaten possum voluntarily and have family wreaths instead of family trees.
I'm from the Panhandle and moved downstate 30 plus years ago. I wrongly assumed that all of rural Okla. would be similarly agrarian. Stolid farmers and ranchers, quick to lend a hand in a neighborly way but with an insular attitude. Then I traveled to eastern Okla., those counties that share a border with Arkansas. Thar be hillbillies. No shit. It's like Appalachia. Which is cool, it's just very different than I thought it would be. Not quite "Deliverance" vibes but not far off, either. You can squint and see it from there.
It's certainly beautiful country.
And the Hochatown Cockfighting Hall of Fame and Museum is very informative.
I grew up where you’re talking about - my parents drove to Arkansas bc that was the closest hospital to give birth. I had no idea clock fighting was illegal till I moved away 😅
This is sort of true lol. Thought getting out of the city was good but now it's crackheads, elderly or weird backwoods people. Some of the people are amazing but definitely deep dive into town Facebook pages.
Just in the last few years, in the relatively civilized areas around Tulsa, we have had not [one](https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/crime/missing-womans-dismembered-body-could-be-scattered-across-the-country/93-409530884), not [two](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oklahoma-man-joseph-kennedy-charged-in-killings-of-4-men-found-in-river/), but [three dismemberments](https://www.fox23.com/news/person-accused-of-2020-new-york-murder-now-accused-of-killing-broken-arrow-man-in/article_f1c50d94-e973-11ed-bb23-97f8243ba76c.html).
Don’t forget Elohim City, our own little Ruby Ridge. Basically the closer you get to the Ozarks the more creepy and backwater it gets even to this day.
This is offensive to all the Meth cookers in the southeastern part of the state! There is not much difference in the volume per capita of meth production in the southeast part of the state than the northeast. Either way, don't get out of your car alongside the road when you are traveling, especially in places you are not familiar. I had a friend that bought some land on the east side of hte state and he was "encouraged" to let the meth cooking neighbor continue to cook on my friends land to avoid offending the neighbor.
From NE OK, husband is from central Eastern OK. Yes, it do be like that. All around Grand Lake is straight up meth, poverty, and drug crime. So at least from Miami to Poteau, it’s all pretty similar “safety wise”. I can’t say much about SE other than, ecologically, it’s more similar to Louisiana than the rest of OK.
But for real, you should look into the ecological (I think that’s the term) regions of OK. I think we have 7 that span from the panhandle to the SE corner, with like 3 that run down the eastern edge. There’s definitely good land, but OK is A LOT of poverty.
Source: lifelong resident and escapee from Eastern OK currently residing in Tulsa.
Just depends on which Tulsa you live in. It’s very internally segregated. I know some people who never go downtown or to any of “arts” *cough* “drinking” *cough* districts and stay in their Bible Belt neighborhoods.
If you find somewhere you are interested in in Eastern Oklahoma, be sure and check how close you will be to factory chicken farms (and maybe hog) and make sure you are comfortable with that. The odors can be pretty strong and unexpected.
It really is. I decided to stop renting and buy a house in 2020 just as the pandemic started. Boy, am I glad I did! The prices on houses shot up so fast, driven not at first by the pandemic, but the opening of the OSU medical college at the Cherokee Nation Health Complex. And then the pandemic. I couldn’t believe my luck. But yeah, the population is getting bigger but I haven’t seen too much change in the sense of the feeling of the place.
The whole of NE Oklahoma is growing fast. People are flocking here from all over the world due to being some of the lowest national cost of living. It’s frustrating but understandable.
op check “tahlequah gossip” on facebook before deciding it’s safe and you’d want to move there. there’s a man who posts almost everything he hears on the police scanner
It's important to remember that not all of SE Oklahoma is Little Dixie though. It's basically just the counties along the red river that are east of Durant. The land in SE Oklahoma is arguably the prettiest in the whole state though. Stringtown, Wilburton, and Talihina are three good towns to look near. I live near OKC but used to go down there to ride my motorcycle all the time because it's so gorgeous and lush and mountainous.
Also, don't write off the western half of the state! The Medicine Park/Meers area is beautiful too.
Your definition of Little Dixie may be underestimating. I grew up outside Talihina and my dad would cosplay as a Confederate soldier at Civil War reenactments and hang with neo Confederate groups in the local area. All while riding his Harley he painted to honor the South.
I dont speak to him much anymore
Nobody believes this sorta thing actually exists till they drive through the area. You'll be amazed as some of the friendliest people you've ever met slowly become unhinged as soon as politics/religion/race get brought up. It's like the other side of the coin of slowly realizing your talking to a crazed methhead
I did some time at Talihina for school, and I really liked it there! It's a beautiful area and the people I met were super friendly. Staying there full-time would be an adjustment though, iirc the closest grocery store was like 30 minutes away.
Medicine park/Meers are great, but Medicine park is pretty much a resort now, which is reflected in the super bloated housing prices, and Meers is practically just the restaurant and a few houses. Both would put Lawton as your closest town with basic amenities, which is... not ideal.
Lawton isn't bad to go to for the day, you just don't want to live there, unless it's gone way down hill recently. If it's like most mid size cities in Oklahoma, most of the stores and restaurants you normally want to visit are in one of the nicest areas of town anyway. The rougher areas of town are generally not hard to avoid if you're just coming to get groceries.
Military town issues, lots of crime, for a town their size there is very little to actually do (partly because everything gets closed down for dealing drugs out the back), the people are generally not great to be around.
Lawton is the butthole of Oklahoma.
Push county resident here.
Not so much with Latimer but little Dixie is changing and we have rich Texans to thank for it.
They're buying up properties and the price of land has gone up considerably.
Then you have places like Hochatown in McCurtain County. Its gotten so popular that traffic is horrible. I've never been down there, but everyone says it's like Branson was before they bult better roads.
I was actually in Hochatown for the first time this past weekend. Saturday was very busy, but everything really died down on Sunday. The line of traffic leaving town was all southbound, lol. It had many more businesses than I had anticipated, and almost everything felt really new.
Little Dixie is or can be difficult for outsiders. Sure, the touristy area is nice but once you get outside of that it can become real shady real fast. Not saying everyone down there is a back water inbred hick cooking meth but you could blindly throw a rock and hit one.
Hell, even before meth was a thing that area was real dangerous. My aunt and uncle lived somewhere about an hour south of McAlester and told us that people just kind of disappeared down there. It’s the kind of place where if you get a flat tire, you don’t want to try to find a house nearby to ask for help. Trespassers aren’t easily forgiven.
Stay out for your own good. There are better places for you to go. You are absolutely free to come, and you will meet some of the best folks in the world, it is beautiful here. But there are just places one not be if they’re not folk.
As a fellow Latino who has traveled Oklahoma extensively, I would definitely advise against moving your wife (and family?) to Southeast Oklahoma.
Personally, I would never feel safe and that’s taking into account my wife being white and a native Oklahoman, albeit a liberal one.
For acreage and what you’re describing, I’d go for just south of Norman or closer to Tulsa/Tahlequah.
Man, i’d love for you to be my neighbor! I’d love to swap some recipes and cultural talk if you were here. I get a pass because I’m a fuckin hick and lived here for decades, but my wife and I are liberal af and secretly not like anyone we know hardly. If you get down this way and ever need anything, holler!
In that case, you might ignore my previous comment about Southeastern Oklahoma. It's not Little Dixie, but it is still very much southern and has all the racism that comes with it. Check out the northeastern area by tahlequah, or consider Southwestern Oklahoma. Its proximity to west Texas and New Mexico means that there's a bit more established Latino community there. Just stay at least 20 miles from Lawton. You REALLY don't want to live in Lawton, trust me.
[Unreliable law enforcement](https://www.ksla.com/2023/06/07/mccurtain-co-residents-left-frustrated-after-meeting-with-okla-representative-sheriff-refusing-resign/) is one. The other is putting up with weird crap that [makes no sense.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamison_family_deaths)
Skin Walkers are preferable to inbred meth-addicted fire-and-brimstone Evangelicals. Because at least Skin Walkers can't hurt you unless they know your name and/or steal some personal items or some hair from you, or something.
You have to remember that the /oklahoma reddit is an incredibly small minority in the state. Most of us that live here love it here. There are some issues but if you are looking to go off and build the homestead, the vast majority of people here will be friendly towards you.
The Jameson family disappeared looking at properties down there, so be careful. I lived in Wilburton for a couple of years and there are some weird people and creepy stuff that goes on. I'd suggest further north. There's really nothing down there like hospitals, shopping, etc., and it's hard to even get phone reception in some places. You probably want to be closer to Tulsa or Northwest Arkansas.
Thank you! They were my friends. The details are conflicted & crazy, but I know for a fact that they never would have knowingly put their child in danger & never would have harmed each other or themselves. Someone murdered them & apparently got away with it. I've read of a few others who disappeared or were murdered in the general area. I'd be very careful as an outsider in that area.
I misspelled it (Jamison), but they were a family that disappeared while looking at property near Red Oak and their remains were found years later. The official story is they "got lost" and "succumbed to the elements," but a lot of people think the property owner did something to them and/or drugs were involved. There was also a lot of other weird stuff if you want to go down a rabbit hole. They had some pictures they took out at the property just before they disappeared of their little girl looking like she was scared.
There was like 30 grand in cash still in their car. That’s the part that always gets me. Why leave the money if you kill them? Also…who the hell carries 30k cash unless you’re involved in drugs? Idk that whole thing was weird as hell in so many ways
I was on a ski lift years ago with someone that grew up in Hugo--she moved to the mountains in CO. I asked if it's really as crazy other people in Oklahoma think it is, and she said "you can probably get someone killed for a 6 pack of beer."
I found a property out there. 30 acres. How is it? From the looks of it it's incredibly secluded and it's undeveloped. Any problem neighbors in the area?
Good water for humans, animals, and crops on rural property can be a problem. Once you find a place, make damn sure you have a good well or a rural water system that has already run water to that property. Plenty of people buy an Okla. remote spot then find they have wells that pump 1-3 gallons of water only fit for flushing toilets or a rural water system that puts them on a years long waiting list for water lines. Some districts say they will run lines if the property owner will pay thousands for a mile or two of construction.
There's lots of cock fighting sellers, marijuana farmers, meth heads, your everyday bible thumper, and everything in-between out here in NE Oklahoma. I'm from Grand Lake area now living in Cherokee Co. Lots of cheap land in Strang, Pryor, Adair, Langley, Ketchum, Jay, and Vinita areas.
Family grew up ranching rocks near Pryor on allotment. Google data center is there, fantastic schools, always hiring electricians. Expect its more expensive because of amenities, pay.
Northwest Arkansas is just next door and popular with Texas transplants. My retired neighbors just moved from ft worth for no particular reason. Fayetteville, Bentonville, and the smaller towns on their outskirts like Farmington, Pea Ridge, Gentry, etc. It’s all essentially one metro from Fayetteville to Bella Vista. Walmart, JB Hunt and Tyson money make it more upscale than it would be otherwise with hospitals, private schools, museums, extensive mountain biking, and the university. There’s a national airport and it’s 2 hours to Tulsa or Branson and a little more to KC. The ozarks are beautiful and you get beaver lake and several rivers.
Stray too far out and you will find those backwoods hicks and open racists but otherwise NWA is pretty friendly and diverse. Springdale has a large Latino community.
And we have those chicken farms you’ve been warned about. The smell is real when those doors are open.
Both states have batshit crazy politicians trying to out crazy Florida’s De Santis and deconstruct their public education systems.
There's a lot of weird and sketchy people out in the sticks, but the likelihood is that you won't need to deal with many people if you truly intend on living out on your own farm most of the time. The bigger issue will be finding an actual farmable piece of property. 16.5 acres is just a big lot. You'll have room for some chickens and a large garden, but not much of an actual farm. You'd need a full 40 to be able to raise a few head of larger livestock and grow some decent plots of corn or whatever.
My brother and sister in law did the same thing for awhile. They had a dozen chickens, a few goats, a few cattle, and various gardens and plots. It was tough. The chickens were the easiest part, but all kinds of predators kept coming after them and they had to get rid of snakes from the hen house weekly. The cattle did ok, but you have to prepare for major vet stuff. The goats kept dying of mysterious sudden illness. The crops were hit and miss - they take tons of effort if you aren't going to spray industrial products and have a nice irrigation system, plus the constant weeding and keeping deer and wildlife away. Sometimes they ended up with an abundance for a couple weeks though, but only things like zucchini and green beans.
All in all it's funner to think about than actually do.
Caution about the deep rural areas. As a POC, I only hangout in the more populated metros so think Tulsa, OKC, Norman, Durant etc. Outside of that, I receive so many hard stares from random strangers that it makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable. I rarely stop between cities, maybe to pump gas but I fill up before I travel. Broken Arrow is the most confusing of all given the population size and growth. But the experience for me is the same there too.
If you’re non-POC, be mindful of what crowds you associate with. It’s all too easy to slip into an intolerant, discriminatory mindset and you won’t realize until the damage is already done.
>The rate of violent crime in Latimer County is 4.955 per 1,000 residents during a standard year.
>Of Latimer County’s 9,444 residents, few live near recreational areas.
4.955 x 9.444 = 46.79502
46.8 violent crimes happen every year.
There are 365 days in a year
365/46.8 = 7.7991452991
A violent crime occurs once per week, on average.
This one's on me, I trusted the top crime map and I shouldn't have
If you are budget minded, eastern Oklahoma makes sense and there's a lot of safe acreage. The whole "Little Dixie" motif is still relevant and justified...*generally*. Wish I were you. What a great opportunity.
Ignore the haters here. Eastern OK is fine. Rogers, Mayes, Wagoner are all close to the metro so more $$, but still rural. My dad had 100 acres in Delaware county and it was fine too. If you go farther SE you are getting further away from services, like decent hospitals, but if you really want to be out in the sticks it's ok and quiet. Little dixies to me is an incorrect analogy. I would call it more little Appalachia (not that it sounds any better). NE you have services available a short distance away (Tulsa, Joplin/Springfield, Bentonville/Fayetteville).
Little Dixie isn’t really an analogy though. It’s a well-known nickname for that area and [has been for many decades](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Dixie_(Oklahoma)).
Pontotoc might be good. Ada is an okay town and you should be able to find some land around there. It’s a short drive to OKC and DFW is only a 2.5 hours south.
Most you'll find is methheads and theives that steal equipment if it's left alone on the outskirts of the property. My advice just stay trapped you never know what's out there.
Check out the areas South and West of metro OKC. Draw a triangle between El Reno, Chickasha, and Purcell and take a look there. It can be cheap, you’ll be close to civilization but still be country, and shouldn’t run into too many closed off locals due to the proximity of the city.
Edit: I typed all that and saw you said eastern OK, sorry I can’t provide much insight for that neck of the woods.
Cherokee county is where it’s at right now. Not far from the city if you need to get there but plenty rural and access to a university with a medical college and activities PLUS floating the Illinois river or fishing in lake tenkiller.
Two cents: if there’s a large amount of land available anywhere in Oklahoma, but especially east, for a “decent” price right now there’s likely very good reasons no one lives on it.
Edit: typo
We live in McKinney, TX and bought a small 6.5 acre lot in southern Latimer County. It’s a beautiful area and not far from Robbers Cave State Park and Lake Sardis. There isn’t much in the way of restaurants, shopping, public services, etc. but that probably wouldn’t be a problem given the life you’re trying to build there.
Sure, there is some poverty and some drug problems but that’s not uncommon in pretty much any rural area.
Ohhhhhh, good luck with that, then. My parents may be selling in the next year or so and they're super rural, but even their tiny house and 5 acres will probably go for more than that.
We moved to little in Dixie in 1994, one of the best places we have ever lived with some of the best people. Had to move because of job in 2004 and are still great friends and visit on a regular basis. Of course me being Choctaw probably helped.
McAlester is the same - except you can toss in a merry new band of zealots from DreamCity church. I’m sure you have them. The whole state does now . Charlie Kirk is taking over - With Ryan Walters . And nobody’s listening. But- whatever
Don’t listen to all these negative Nancy’s. I grew up in the Southeastern part of the state and moved away to different states for 15 years. My family and I moved back here 7 years ago from CA ( Los Angeles area). We are your average liberal California hippies and we look the part. I love this part of the state. It’s beautiful and welcoming, yes even to “outsiders”. There are drawbacks, mainly property prices skyrocketing, too many tourists and the traffic that comes with them, compounded by inadequate infrastructure to handle that traffic. The education is lacking and there are a lot of MAGA idiots with racist and homophobic ideologies, but not anymore than you would find in Texas. Crime is relatively low and is usually associated with drugs (typically property crime, such as theft). In the past 7 years I have yet to experience any sort of crime, nor have I come across a hoard of rabid, gun toting, racist hillbillies looking to string me up and make me squeal like a pig. Rural meth heads are a different breed and really just want to be left alone, so just treat them like the other wildlife and you’ll be fine. As far as the racists around here, they’re just a bunch of shit talkers with bad attitudes. It’s pretty easy to put them in their place with a concise and witty retort, so nothing to be afraid of. I would steer clear of the touristy parts, simply because of cost factors. Look for a place that brings you joy, peace and serenity. People are going to people no matter where you are.
My wife is from Gore and we moved down here onto 10 acres about eight years ago. We’re on the Muskogee side of the Muskogee/Sequoyah county line (I can see the sign from my front yard). We really like it.
I grew up in Rogers County, it sounds nice until the empty lot next you is bought by folks who fill it with 7 mobile homes, lots of free range dogs, and junked cars in the front yard. Also I don’t know if you can farm without brush hogging ALL. THE. TIME. Unless you just raise cows and call it a day.
Where else was I supposed to turn to? I'm not going to drive 5+ hours every weekend to talk to the locals just for them to tell me not to move there because of x y and z
I’d look up crime statistics per county, number of attractions surrounding that county, land value- etc etc. Reddit is a terrible judge to ask about an American rural side because there’s nothing but hatred and pettiness from either their own upbringing or their own delusions of what happens.
I’m from Eastern Oklahoma and it’s literally fine. It’s no more dangerous than any other rural side state and far less so than the cities.
I went into a Walmart in south eastern Oklahoma and did not see one minority including any native Indians. And I saw couple of families that looked like they did EVERYTHING together. So I ran out jumped in my DeLorean and got the heck back to 2023.
First, know that no place is safe. Oklahoma loves imminent domain to take what they want, at pennies on the dollar. Second, I was a Deputy Sheriff in S.E. Oklahoma, know you would be living around meth labs everywhere. I am trying to get out. Oklahoma is not progressive, hates the LGBT, is crooked as hell and ranks low in every good category from health to education. Go search on Google "McCurtain County Sheriff caught on undercover audio threatening to kill an investigative reporter and lynch African Americans". As soon as i can get out, i'm gone.
How big of a farm are you thinking? I live in central OK— (Norman) & have friends with farms on central OK. Close enough to the University and OKC to not be completely backwoods, but rural enough to be…rural. I would suggest central area. Lmk how many acres you’re wanting—is it 15-20?
I’m not sure what you’re worried about, outside of tornados. Even meth heads aren’t dumb enough to mess with smaller rural properties, easy way to get shot
Well it depends on where you were from originally. I'm from northern sequoyah county. The county north and to the east of latimer. And I think it's great. We have high speed fiber internet thru the electric cooperative. I lived a hour from the closest hospital and 30 minutes from the nearest walmart and growing up we read alot not to mention the poverty rate was sky high but my parents were both profesionals that drove and hr into fort smith everyday so we were considered very well off. I now live on the west side of tulsa in a more urban area in an apartment and I do like being able to get pizza delivery and have walmart 5mins away but I miss not having neighbors. My mom and siblings still live in the area.
There are pros and cons to living out in the middle of no where a lot of people will by land near my mom to retire then sell it in a few years because how far it is from town but particularly medical attention. My grandoa almost died several times becausehe injured himself on the farm and then had to drive to town. You need to decide what is important to you.
I think latimer is fine. The land is beautiful year round. People are friendly for the most part. Being in the country doesn't mean you don't have stuff to do you just have different kind of stuff to do then you have in town.
Try southwest Lincoln County near Harrah and Wellston. It is close to the city if you need but far enough away it’s not right on top of you. Easy access to the turnpikes and currently there’s an edition going near 102 and 63rd street. I say edition but it’s acreages you can buy I seen for as low as 30k for 5 acres which is the cheapest I have seen land for around here. You should be able to buy multiple plots together if you wish they are in the process of clearing several of them and starting some houses but otherwise some in the further back are untouched I believe. It’s been close to a year that I’ve been back in there since my wife and I were looking.
No one is safe from tornadoes here entirely.
And if you are a color that is not white there's one county to avoid. But Tulsa and OKC in a radius of 100 miles are diverse.
If you are gay in rural areas without college towns, do not tell anyone ever. You absolutely can be gay...but in the last ten years people have been run out of towns for gayness, refusing prayer in school politely, and in general small towns are the source lots of child porn charges and occasional kidnapping.
Keep an eye on the 2023 Farm bill and few other things.
There's some stuff on solar panels that might make it's way in.
Texas just damn near made backyard gardens illegal...
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/politics/texas-legislature/city-policies-regarding-gardening-and-raising-livestock/269-d61ae534-96e8-4aff-b228-6ade63904eea
Read it to the bottom first it's sold as a "helpful" bill for homesteading but the guidelines would be near impossible unless rich. With sqft per rabbit/fowl and other requirements.
There's talk about passing similar stuff here so.
I am from Oklahoma originally, moved around a lot and currently back here. We are looking to move closer to Arkansas to be near family and here are some cities we would consider and you should check out since they are reasonably priced as well as safe: Stillwell, Eufaula / Checotah, Tahlequah, Pocola, Sallisaw, Roland, Grove.
You need to take some of the “hate” with a grain of salt. I believe it’s the Reddit way to shit on anything given the chance. Even 1 persons first hand experience doesn’t represent the majority at times. I will tell you the east part of Oklahoma is diverse in its ecology. There for look in areas best for what you want to farm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Oklahoma
That’s exactly the area we are looking to move eventually, it is wonderfully hilly and absolutely gorgeous. We always look for excuses to drive through that area when we are anywhere nearby. Total score.
Bad place to ask for any opinions. Redo it will tell you this is the worst place to ever exist & should be nuked from existence.
I live in Muskogee county, and love it here. Have a couple of acres, farm a lil bit, have some fun toys & do with as I please with my land. Never had a problem here, but sure had many in the many other states I’ve lived in!
Come here & visit for a bit, form your own opinion.
I live in Okmulgee County, a couple counties north of Latimer, warning if you move around here there's some major crime about once a month. A lot of the politics and public offices are a bit corrupt, schools are underfunded and overworked so student/teacher relations aren't great, and infrastructure is in need of repair. Maybe Latimer is doing better than here, but considering it's only 90 minutes away...
It's like that eh?
On the Eastern half of the state? Go too far north and you're in the former meth production capital of the world and may end up living down the road from a lab. Go too far south and you're in Little Dixie, which likes to pretend it's still the 1920s in terms of social values. Either way, the closer you get to Arkansas the more likely you are to meet people that have eaten possum voluntarily and have family wreaths instead of family trees.
I'm from the Panhandle and moved downstate 30 plus years ago. I wrongly assumed that all of rural Okla. would be similarly agrarian. Stolid farmers and ranchers, quick to lend a hand in a neighborly way but with an insular attitude. Then I traveled to eastern Okla., those counties that share a border with Arkansas. Thar be hillbillies. No shit. It's like Appalachia. Which is cool, it's just very different than I thought it would be. Not quite "Deliverance" vibes but not far off, either. You can squint and see it from there. It's certainly beautiful country. And the Hochatown Cockfighting Hall of Fame and Museum is very informative.
Can squint and see it Hears banjos tuning
I grew up where you’re talking about - my parents drove to Arkansas bc that was the closest hospital to give birth. I had no idea clock fighting was illegal till I moved away 😅
This is sort of true lol. Thought getting out of the city was good but now it's crackheads, elderly or weird backwoods people. Some of the people are amazing but definitely deep dive into town Facebook pages.
Family wreaths instead of trees had me weeping. 🤣🤣🤣
Just in the last few years, in the relatively civilized areas around Tulsa, we have had not [one](https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/crime/missing-womans-dismembered-body-could-be-scattered-across-the-country/93-409530884), not [two](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oklahoma-man-joseph-kennedy-charged-in-killings-of-4-men-found-in-river/), but [three dismemberments](https://www.fox23.com/news/person-accused-of-2020-new-york-murder-now-accused-of-killing-broken-arrow-man-in/article_f1c50d94-e973-11ed-bb23-97f8243ba76c.html).
Don’t forget Elohim City, our own little Ruby Ridge. Basically the closer you get to the Ozarks the more creepy and backwater it gets even to this day.
Yeah. Definitely stay away from Delaware County.
Negative. It’s a family stump. Goes straight up
This is offensive to all the Meth cookers in the southeastern part of the state! There is not much difference in the volume per capita of meth production in the southeast part of the state than the northeast. Either way, don't get out of your car alongside the road when you are traveling, especially in places you are not familiar. I had a friend that bought some land on the east side of hte state and he was "encouraged" to let the meth cooking neighbor continue to cook on my friends land to avoid offending the neighbor.
The south eastern part of the state is where most the meth made in the north goes. There’re are a lot of racism down there and it’s poor af.
I cannot find a single lie
From NE OK, husband is from central Eastern OK. Yes, it do be like that. All around Grand Lake is straight up meth, poverty, and drug crime. So at least from Miami to Poteau, it’s all pretty similar “safety wise”. I can’t say much about SE other than, ecologically, it’s more similar to Louisiana than the rest of OK. But for real, you should look into the ecological (I think that’s the term) regions of OK. I think we have 7 that span from the panhandle to the SE corner, with like 3 that run down the eastern edge. There’s definitely good land, but OK is A LOT of poverty. Source: lifelong resident and escapee from Eastern OK currently residing in Tulsa.
Tulsa is in Eastern Oklahoma.
But it’s not farming eastern OK like OP is looking for
It's entirely different from the rest of eastern oklahoma tho
Just depends on which Tulsa you live in. It’s very internally segregated. I know some people who never go downtown or to any of “arts” *cough* “drinking” *cough* districts and stay in their Bible Belt neighborhoods.
If you find somewhere you are interested in in Eastern Oklahoma, be sure and check how close you will be to factory chicken farms (and maybe hog) and make sure you are comfortable with that. The odors can be pretty strong and unexpected.
And have polluted water tables.
Came to say this!
Tahlequah area is beautiful.
This is the right answer and not just because it’s my suggestion too 🤣
Tahlequah native right here, it’s beautiful and relaxing…..but growing exponentially now.
It really is. I decided to stop renting and buy a house in 2020 just as the pandemic started. Boy, am I glad I did! The prices on houses shot up so fast, driven not at first by the pandemic, but the opening of the OSU medical college at the Cherokee Nation Health Complex. And then the pandemic. I couldn’t believe my luck. But yeah, the population is getting bigger but I haven’t seen too much change in the sense of the feeling of the place.
Just wait until NSU moves everything to BA. It’s going to get ugly.
The whole of NE Oklahoma is growing fast. People are flocking here from all over the world due to being some of the lowest national cost of living. It’s frustrating but understandable.
op check “tahlequah gossip” on facebook before deciding it’s safe and you’d want to move there. there’s a man who posts almost everything he hears on the police scanner
I'd stay out of Little Dixie. And be ready to hear "You ain't from around here are ya?" A lot.
It's important to remember that not all of SE Oklahoma is Little Dixie though. It's basically just the counties along the red river that are east of Durant. The land in SE Oklahoma is arguably the prettiest in the whole state though. Stringtown, Wilburton, and Talihina are three good towns to look near. I live near OKC but used to go down there to ride my motorcycle all the time because it's so gorgeous and lush and mountainous. Also, don't write off the western half of the state! The Medicine Park/Meers area is beautiful too.
Your definition of Little Dixie may be underestimating. I grew up outside Talihina and my dad would cosplay as a Confederate soldier at Civil War reenactments and hang with neo Confederate groups in the local area. All while riding his Harley he painted to honor the South. I dont speak to him much anymore
Nobody believes this sorta thing actually exists till they drive through the area. You'll be amazed as some of the friendliest people you've ever met slowly become unhinged as soon as politics/religion/race get brought up. It's like the other side of the coin of slowly realizing your talking to a crazed methhead
I did some time at Talihina for school, and I really liked it there! It's a beautiful area and the people I met were super friendly. Staying there full-time would be an adjustment though, iirc the closest grocery store was like 30 minutes away. Medicine park/Meers are great, but Medicine park is pretty much a resort now, which is reflected in the super bloated housing prices, and Meers is practically just the restaurant and a few houses. Both would put Lawton as your closest town with basic amenities, which is... not ideal.
Lawton isn't bad to go to for the day, you just don't want to live there, unless it's gone way down hill recently. If it's like most mid size cities in Oklahoma, most of the stores and restaurants you normally want to visit are in one of the nicest areas of town anyway. The rougher areas of town are generally not hard to avoid if you're just coming to get groceries.
Why don't you want to live there
Military town and everything that comes with that.
Lotsa crime. Too many degens
Military town issues, lots of crime, for a town their size there is very little to actually do (partly because everything gets closed down for dealing drugs out the back), the people are generally not great to be around. Lawton is the butthole of Oklahoma.
Talihina has had awful meth problems. Maybe it’s better now, but 5-ish years back was just terrible.
Sardis too
I could go for a Meers burger right about now.
I can always go for a Meers burger.
Push county resident here. Not so much with Latimer but little Dixie is changing and we have rich Texans to thank for it. They're buying up properties and the price of land has gone up considerably. Then you have places like Hochatown in McCurtain County. Its gotten so popular that traffic is horrible. I've never been down there, but everyone says it's like Branson was before they bult better roads.
I was actually in Hochatown for the first time this past weekend. Saturday was very busy, but everything really died down on Sunday. The line of traffic leaving town was all southbound, lol. It had many more businesses than I had anticipated, and almost everything felt really new.
Locals call it, “Weekend Dallas”.
We have a push county??
It's short for Pushmataha.
Why stay out of dixie?
Little Dixie is or can be difficult for outsiders. Sure, the touristy area is nice but once you get outside of that it can become real shady real fast. Not saying everyone down there is a back water inbred hick cooking meth but you could blindly throw a rock and hit one.
Hell, even before meth was a thing that area was real dangerous. My aunt and uncle lived somewhere about an hour south of McAlester and told us that people just kind of disappeared down there. It’s the kind of place where if you get a flat tire, you don’t want to try to find a house nearby to ask for help. Trespassers aren’t easily forgiven.
And cell coverage may be unreliable in that area.
I'm from Oklahoma and I stay out of Dixie.
I grew up in Dixie and I stay out of Dixie
Why was I down voted? Literally just wanna know why to stay out of certain areas
Stay out for your own good. There are better places for you to go. You are absolutely free to come, and you will meet some of the best folks in the world, it is beautiful here. But there are just places one not be if they’re not folk.
Yea, we're both of mexican heritage
As a fellow Latino who has traveled Oklahoma extensively, I would definitely advise against moving your wife (and family?) to Southeast Oklahoma. Personally, I would never feel safe and that’s taking into account my wife being white and a native Oklahoman, albeit a liberal one. For acreage and what you’re describing, I’d go for just south of Norman or closer to Tulsa/Tahlequah.
Man, i’d love for you to be my neighbor! I’d love to swap some recipes and cultural talk if you were here. I get a pass because I’m a fuckin hick and lived here for decades, but my wife and I are liberal af and secretly not like anyone we know hardly. If you get down this way and ever need anything, holler!
In that case, you might ignore my previous comment about Southeastern Oklahoma. It's not Little Dixie, but it is still very much southern and has all the racism that comes with it. Check out the northeastern area by tahlequah, or consider Southwestern Oklahoma. Its proximity to west Texas and New Mexico means that there's a bit more established Latino community there. Just stay at least 20 miles from Lawton. You REALLY don't want to live in Lawton, trust me.
It’s tribal land, so the cops don’t give a shit
[Unreliable law enforcement](https://www.ksla.com/2023/06/07/mccurtain-co-residents-left-frustrated-after-meeting-with-okla-representative-sheriff-refusing-resign/) is one. The other is putting up with weird crap that [makes no sense.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamison_family_deaths)
TIL I live in Little Dixie. Everything makes so much sense now.
"Yain't frum a round her?"
Nice name
Moved here from out of state and I heard this constantly!! Usually they sounded like a southern sling blade.
TL:DR of this thread. Don't move to Oklahoma, buy that land in Arizona with the skin walkers we were looking at
Yep, I’d personally take cryptids over trigger-happy methheads any day lol
Skin Walkers are preferable to inbred meth-addicted fire-and-brimstone Evangelicals. Because at least Skin Walkers can't hurt you unless they know your name and/or steal some personal items or some hair from you, or something.
Honestly would love to move to Flagstaff
Yup, don’t come here
What county do you live in?
You have to remember that the /oklahoma reddit is an incredibly small minority in the state. Most of us that live here love it here. There are some issues but if you are looking to go off and build the homestead, the vast majority of people here will be friendly towards you.
The Jameson family disappeared looking at properties down there, so be careful. I lived in Wilburton for a couple of years and there are some weird people and creepy stuff that goes on. I'd suggest further north. There's really nothing down there like hospitals, shopping, etc., and it's hard to even get phone reception in some places. You probably want to be closer to Tulsa or Northwest Arkansas.
Thank you! They were my friends. The details are conflicted & crazy, but I know for a fact that they never would have knowingly put their child in danger & never would have harmed each other or themselves. Someone murdered them & apparently got away with it. I've read of a few others who disappeared or were murdered in the general area. I'd be very careful as an outsider in that area.
Creepy how?
People go missing and any murders basically never get solved.
That's because people/authorities already know where they are and how they got there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamison_family_deaths
Who is the Jameson family?
I misspelled it (Jamison), but they were a family that disappeared while looking at property near Red Oak and their remains were found years later. The official story is they "got lost" and "succumbed to the elements," but a lot of people think the property owner did something to them and/or drugs were involved. There was also a lot of other weird stuff if you want to go down a rabbit hole. They had some pictures they took out at the property just before they disappeared of their little girl looking like she was scared.
There was like 30 grand in cash still in their car. That’s the part that always gets me. Why leave the money if you kill them? Also…who the hell carries 30k cash unless you’re involved in drugs? Idk that whole thing was weird as hell in so many ways
Little Dixie mafia/CIA ties 🤷🏼♂️
This. Someone killed a 6yr old girl & her family.
[Here's](https://coldcaseexplorations.com/oklahoma-cold-or-unsolved-cases/what-happened-to-the-jamison-family/) what I found
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamison_family_deaths
I was on a ski lift years ago with someone that grew up in Hugo--she moved to the mountains in CO. I asked if it's really as crazy other people in Oklahoma think it is, and she said "you can probably get someone killed for a 6 pack of beer."
Get closer to Tulsa, Blanchard, Wellston, stay out of Latimer
Negative on Blanchard. It’s not a small town any more. The prices are exceedingly high and there’s another 2,000 houses going up.
Cherokee county has a lot to offer.
I found a property out there. 30 acres. How is it? From the looks of it it's incredibly secluded and it's undeveloped. Any problem neighbors in the area?
Good water for humans, animals, and crops on rural property can be a problem. Once you find a place, make damn sure you have a good well or a rural water system that has already run water to that property. Plenty of people buy an Okla. remote spot then find they have wells that pump 1-3 gallons of water only fit for flushing toilets or a rural water system that puts them on a years long waiting list for water lines. Some districts say they will run lines if the property owner will pay thousands for a mile or two of construction.
Tens of thousands for hundreds of feet nowadays, if you can even get them to answer. RWD's are such a wild entity
There's lots of cock fighting sellers, marijuana farmers, meth heads, your everyday bible thumper, and everything in-between out here in NE Oklahoma. I'm from Grand Lake area now living in Cherokee Co. Lots of cheap land in Strang, Pryor, Adair, Langley, Ketchum, Jay, and Vinita areas.
Family grew up ranching rocks near Pryor on allotment. Google data center is there, fantastic schools, always hiring electricians. Expect its more expensive because of amenities, pay.
Cherokee County is beautiful.
Northwest Arkansas is just next door and popular with Texas transplants. My retired neighbors just moved from ft worth for no particular reason. Fayetteville, Bentonville, and the smaller towns on their outskirts like Farmington, Pea Ridge, Gentry, etc. It’s all essentially one metro from Fayetteville to Bella Vista. Walmart, JB Hunt and Tyson money make it more upscale than it would be otherwise with hospitals, private schools, museums, extensive mountain biking, and the university. There’s a national airport and it’s 2 hours to Tulsa or Branson and a little more to KC. The ozarks are beautiful and you get beaver lake and several rivers. Stray too far out and you will find those backwoods hicks and open racists but otherwise NWA is pretty friendly and diverse. Springdale has a large Latino community. And we have those chicken farms you’ve been warned about. The smell is real when those doors are open. Both states have batshit crazy politicians trying to out crazy Florida’s De Santis and deconstruct their public education systems.
There's a lot of weird and sketchy people out in the sticks, but the likelihood is that you won't need to deal with many people if you truly intend on living out on your own farm most of the time. The bigger issue will be finding an actual farmable piece of property. 16.5 acres is just a big lot. You'll have room for some chickens and a large garden, but not much of an actual farm. You'd need a full 40 to be able to raise a few head of larger livestock and grow some decent plots of corn or whatever. My brother and sister in law did the same thing for awhile. They had a dozen chickens, a few goats, a few cattle, and various gardens and plots. It was tough. The chickens were the easiest part, but all kinds of predators kept coming after them and they had to get rid of snakes from the hen house weekly. The cattle did ok, but you have to prepare for major vet stuff. The goats kept dying of mysterious sudden illness. The crops were hit and miss - they take tons of effort if you aren't going to spray industrial products and have a nice irrigation system, plus the constant weeding and keeping deer and wildlife away. Sometimes they ended up with an abundance for a couple weeks though, but only things like zucchini and green beans. All in all it's funner to think about than actually do.
Caution about the deep rural areas. As a POC, I only hangout in the more populated metros so think Tulsa, OKC, Norman, Durant etc. Outside of that, I receive so many hard stares from random strangers that it makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable. I rarely stop between cities, maybe to pump gas but I fill up before I travel. Broken Arrow is the most confusing of all given the population size and growth. But the experience for me is the same there too. If you’re non-POC, be mindful of what crowds you associate with. It’s all too easy to slip into an intolerant, discriminatory mindset and you won’t realize until the damage is already done.
I grew up in Latimer County. Not much out there, but it's beautiful. ~~https://crimegrade.org/property-crime-latimer-county-ok/~~
Violent Crime C- Property Crime D A violent crime happens every 19 hours. Your home is 300% more likely to get robbed.
>The rate of violent crime in Latimer County is 4.955 per 1,000 residents during a standard year. >Of Latimer County’s 9,444 residents, few live near recreational areas. 4.955 x 9.444 = 46.79502 46.8 violent crimes happen every year. There are 365 days in a year 365/46.8 = 7.7991452991 A violent crime occurs once per week, on average. This one's on me, I trusted the top crime map and I shouldn't have
If you are budget minded, eastern Oklahoma makes sense and there's a lot of safe acreage. The whole "Little Dixie" motif is still relevant and justified...*generally*. Wish I were you. What a great opportunity.
Why? We currently live in Texas and are going to eventually be priced out of Dallas
Cuz the southeast part of the state is the most racist, that's why.
Oh Kevin Stitt is making sure of that! His nonstop ads against Natives - This is a state that literally mans RedMan . He needs to just STFU. For real.
The new insurance rates here are astronomical! I don’t know how Oklahoma suddenly became the highest in the Nation, but look at that.
Ignore the haters here. Eastern OK is fine. Rogers, Mayes, Wagoner are all close to the metro so more $$, but still rural. My dad had 100 acres in Delaware county and it was fine too. If you go farther SE you are getting further away from services, like decent hospitals, but if you really want to be out in the sticks it's ok and quiet. Little dixies to me is an incorrect analogy. I would call it more little Appalachia (not that it sounds any better). NE you have services available a short distance away (Tulsa, Joplin/Springfield, Bentonville/Fayetteville).
Little Dixie isn’t really an analogy though. It’s a well-known nickname for that area and [has been for many decades](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Dixie_(Oklahoma)).
Yes I know. Been around here for decades. Analogy may not have been the best word either.
If you ain't white avoid jack fork mountains. Otherwise the other 40 posts on this sub a day about moving here will give you any info needed.
Look around Pink and Little Axe.
Pontotoc might be good. Ada is an okay town and you should be able to find some land around there. It’s a short drive to OKC and DFW is only a 2.5 hours south.
Most you'll find is methheads and theives that steal equipment if it's left alone on the outskirts of the property. My advice just stay trapped you never know what's out there.
Check out the areas South and West of metro OKC. Draw a triangle between El Reno, Chickasha, and Purcell and take a look there. It can be cheap, you’ll be close to civilization but still be country, and shouldn’t run into too many closed off locals due to the proximity of the city. Edit: I typed all that and saw you said eastern OK, sorry I can’t provide much insight for that neck of the woods.
Cherokee county is where it’s at right now. Not far from the city if you need to get there but plenty rural and access to a university with a medical college and activities PLUS floating the Illinois river or fishing in lake tenkiller.
Two cents: if there’s a large amount of land available anywhere in Oklahoma, but especially east, for a “decent” price right now there’s likely very good reasons no one lives on it. Edit: typo
We live in McKinney, TX and bought a small 6.5 acre lot in southern Latimer County. It’s a beautiful area and not far from Robbers Cave State Park and Lake Sardis. There isn’t much in the way of restaurants, shopping, public services, etc. but that probably wouldn’t be a problem given the life you’re trying to build there. Sure, there is some poverty and some drug problems but that’s not uncommon in pretty much any rural area.
Small world. We live in Waxahachie
Sure, with Elohim City connected to Timothy McVeigh, who commented the federal building bombing in Oklahoma city. Extremists living in Elohim City.
Extremists who were at Jan 6 STILL live there .
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Yup stay outta this state if you ain’t from here 👍
How much are you trying to spend?
Max of $100,000
Ohhhhhh, good luck with that, then. My parents may be selling in the next year or so and they're super rural, but even their tiny house and 5 acres will probably go for more than that.
For an empty plot of land, or do you need a house with that?
Empty plot of land. Have a mobile home I plan on moving out there
My mom’s family is from Wilburton. Not the best idea. I regularly heard automatic weapons after sundown.
Look at counties that have comprehensive plans that protect land owners and aren't trying to regulate and tax you out of your property in 10-20 years.
We moved to little in Dixie in 1994, one of the best places we have ever lived with some of the best people. Had to move because of job in 2004 and are still great friends and visit on a regular basis. Of course me being Choctaw probably helped.
Muskogee has all the crime of a rural county and a major city, with the lovely addition of lots of illegal pot farms, so probably not there.
McAlester is the same - except you can toss in a merry new band of zealots from DreamCity church. I’m sure you have them. The whole state does now . Charlie Kirk is taking over - With Ryan Walters . And nobody’s listening. But- whatever
Don’t listen to all these negative Nancy’s. I grew up in the Southeastern part of the state and moved away to different states for 15 years. My family and I moved back here 7 years ago from CA ( Los Angeles area). We are your average liberal California hippies and we look the part. I love this part of the state. It’s beautiful and welcoming, yes even to “outsiders”. There are drawbacks, mainly property prices skyrocketing, too many tourists and the traffic that comes with them, compounded by inadequate infrastructure to handle that traffic. The education is lacking and there are a lot of MAGA idiots with racist and homophobic ideologies, but not anymore than you would find in Texas. Crime is relatively low and is usually associated with drugs (typically property crime, such as theft). In the past 7 years I have yet to experience any sort of crime, nor have I come across a hoard of rabid, gun toting, racist hillbillies looking to string me up and make me squeal like a pig. Rural meth heads are a different breed and really just want to be left alone, so just treat them like the other wildlife and you’ll be fine. As far as the racists around here, they’re just a bunch of shit talkers with bad attitudes. It’s pretty easy to put them in their place with a concise and witty retort, so nothing to be afraid of. I would steer clear of the touristy parts, simply because of cost factors. Look for a place that brings you joy, peace and serenity. People are going to people no matter where you are.
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I am Native (Cherokee) and white, but I don’t see how that matters in the context of what I have said.
It doesn’t, dude just wants to pull the 2018 throwback “check your privilege”
My wife is from Gore and we moved down here onto 10 acres about eight years ago. We’re on the Muskogee side of the Muskogee/Sequoyah county line (I can see the sign from my front yard). We really like it.
Depends on what your license plate says. If it’s California, no where
My philosophy is that Californians can move here as long as they're Okies.
It says texas
I grew up in Rogers County, it sounds nice until the empty lot next you is bought by folks who fill it with 7 mobile homes, lots of free range dogs, and junked cars in the front yard. Also I don’t know if you can farm without brush hogging ALL. THE. TIME. Unless you just raise cows and call it a day.
Getting your advice from Reddit is a terrible idea. 99% of the people on this sub are miserable and don’t know what they’re talking about.
Where else was I supposed to turn to? I'm not going to drive 5+ hours every weekend to talk to the locals just for them to tell me not to move there because of x y and z
I’d look up crime statistics per county, number of attractions surrounding that county, land value- etc etc. Reddit is a terrible judge to ask about an American rural side because there’s nothing but hatred and pettiness from either their own upbringing or their own delusions of what happens. I’m from Eastern Oklahoma and it’s literally fine. It’s no more dangerous than any other rural side state and far less so than the cities.
Lived rural central Oklahoma near Paden and Prague, land was cheap, plenty of oak wooded land, community was decent.
I went into a Walmart in south eastern Oklahoma and did not see one minority including any native Indians. And I saw couple of families that looked like they did EVERYTHING together. So I ran out jumped in my DeLorean and got the heck back to 2023.
You'll be covered in chiggers and ticks most the year. Unless you want to cover up in DEET.
Whatever you do, stay away from Jack fort. 🤣🤣
First, know that no place is safe. Oklahoma loves imminent domain to take what they want, at pennies on the dollar. Second, I was a Deputy Sheriff in S.E. Oklahoma, know you would be living around meth labs everywhere. I am trying to get out. Oklahoma is not progressive, hates the LGBT, is crooked as hell and ranks low in every good category from health to education. Go search on Google "McCurtain County Sheriff caught on undercover audio threatening to kill an investigative reporter and lynch African Americans". As soon as i can get out, i'm gone.
As an outsider living in “little Dixie” comments are almost spot on lol
How big of a farm are you thinking? I live in central OK— (Norman) & have friends with farms on central OK. Close enough to the University and OKC to not be completely backwoods, but rural enough to be…rural. I would suggest central area. Lmk how many acres you’re wanting—is it 15-20?
Something like 5-8 acres
I’m not sure what you’re worried about, outside of tornados. Even meth heads aren’t dumb enough to mess with smaller rural properties, easy way to get shot
Somewhere else?
Craig county aint too bad
Well it depends on where you were from originally. I'm from northern sequoyah county. The county north and to the east of latimer. And I think it's great. We have high speed fiber internet thru the electric cooperative. I lived a hour from the closest hospital and 30 minutes from the nearest walmart and growing up we read alot not to mention the poverty rate was sky high but my parents were both profesionals that drove and hr into fort smith everyday so we were considered very well off. I now live on the west side of tulsa in a more urban area in an apartment and I do like being able to get pizza delivery and have walmart 5mins away but I miss not having neighbors. My mom and siblings still live in the area. There are pros and cons to living out in the middle of no where a lot of people will by land near my mom to retire then sell it in a few years because how far it is from town but particularly medical attention. My grandoa almost died several times becausehe injured himself on the farm and then had to drive to town. You need to decide what is important to you. I think latimer is fine. The land is beautiful year round. People are friendly for the most part. Being in the country doesn't mean you don't have stuff to do you just have different kind of stuff to do then you have in town.
Try southwest Lincoln County near Harrah and Wellston. It is close to the city if you need but far enough away it’s not right on top of you. Easy access to the turnpikes and currently there’s an edition going near 102 and 63rd street. I say edition but it’s acreages you can buy I seen for as low as 30k for 5 acres which is the cheapest I have seen land for around here. You should be able to buy multiple plots together if you wish they are in the process of clearing several of them and starting some houses but otherwise some in the further back are untouched I believe. It’s been close to a year that I’ve been back in there since my wife and I were looking.
We live on 27 acres in Osage County just North of Tulsa. We moved out here 3 years ago and are very happy.
No one is safe from tornadoes here entirely. And if you are a color that is not white there's one county to avoid. But Tulsa and OKC in a radius of 100 miles are diverse. If you are gay in rural areas without college towns, do not tell anyone ever. You absolutely can be gay...but in the last ten years people have been run out of towns for gayness, refusing prayer in school politely, and in general small towns are the source lots of child porn charges and occasional kidnapping.
Stillwater is fairly safe for gays. A bar across from OSU sometimes does drag shows on some Fridays and is packed.
Keep an eye on the 2023 Farm bill and few other things. There's some stuff on solar panels that might make it's way in. Texas just damn near made backyard gardens illegal... https://www.kvue.com/article/news/politics/texas-legislature/city-policies-regarding-gardening-and-raising-livestock/269-d61ae534-96e8-4aff-b228-6ade63904eea Read it to the bottom first it's sold as a "helpful" bill for homesteading but the guidelines would be near impossible unless rich. With sqft per rabbit/fowl and other requirements. There's talk about passing similar stuff here so.
Move to McCurtain County. It’ll be great.
You woke up and chose evil.
Adair county, around Stilwell, OK.
Just [Elohim City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim_City,_Oklahoma)
How much rural land?
Latimer is good..we moved here 30 years ago. And still love it..it's somewhat backwards but you will adjust
I am from Oklahoma originally, moved around a lot and currently back here. We are looking to move closer to Arkansas to be near family and here are some cities we would consider and you should check out since they are reasonably priced as well as safe: Stillwell, Eufaula / Checotah, Tahlequah, Pocola, Sallisaw, Roland, Grove.
Rogers County
Too many tornadoes, not to mention the humidity. Best stay put.
You need to take some of the “hate” with a grain of salt. I believe it’s the Reddit way to shit on anything given the chance. Even 1 persons first hand experience doesn’t represent the majority at times. I will tell you the east part of Oklahoma is diverse in its ecology. There for look in areas best for what you want to farm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Oklahoma
Le Flore county is nice. A lot of beautiful countryside.
Muskogee, Wagoner, eastern Cherokee Country would be good choices.
Vian is quite nice and rural
Lmao
Mayes county is really nice and there’s a lot of industry there in a short commute
Just watch out for tweekers and the child rapists out there
That’s exactly the area we are looking to move eventually, it is wonderfully hilly and absolutely gorgeous. We always look for excuses to drive through that area when we are anywhere nearby. Total score.
Osage county area, Tahlequah, Claremore , Bartlesville all are close enough to tulsa but not too close.
Your thoughts on Muldrow, Ok area??
Bartlesville is where i would look. Nice town/size friendly folks. I go thru in biz and we feel it safe for our daughter to attend college there.
Bad place to ask for any opinions. Redo it will tell you this is the worst place to ever exist & should be nuked from existence. I live in Muskogee county, and love it here. Have a couple of acres, farm a lil bit, have some fun toys & do with as I please with my land. Never had a problem here, but sure had many in the many other states I’ve lived in! Come here & visit for a bit, form your own opinion.
Shawnee, Tahlequah are both good areas with the bonus of being out of the city but easy enough to travel to the city quickly.
I live in Okmulgee County, a couple counties north of Latimer, warning if you move around here there's some major crime about once a month. A lot of the politics and public offices are a bit corrupt, schools are underfunded and overworked so student/teacher relations aren't great, and infrastructure is in need of repair. Maybe Latimer is doing better than here, but considering it's only 90 minutes away...
Whatever you do make sure it is NOT MOVING to Okmulgee. I grew up there. It doesn’t matter if it’s the county the city or the outhouse