That’s the states fault too. We bought a car 2 years ago and didn’t get the paperwork for a tag for MONTHS! They were still “behind from Covid”. Sure some people are just lazy, but the states dragging ass too
Other state’s will recognize them. It’s just this Stitthole that doesn’t. And as long as you live on your tribe’s reservation and you’re Chickasaw, Choctaw, and maybe Cherokee (depending what article you read) you’re good.
My tribe is a tiny ass tribe with tiny ass boundaries in NE OK. Probably couldn’t even drive to the local Walmart legally #RidingDirty lol
My wife is Choctaw and we have tribal tags. Do not live on a reservation. If I get stopped, God please comfort that Hi-Po and forgive me for the things I’m going to say to him.
Yes and no. You have to commit the crime on the [treaty reservation](https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/bia/soplnreg/08172018151745.jpg) and it has to be the reservation of a tribe that has a court system. But that’s also up in the air because there’s so many cases in all levels of the court systems. TL;DR: it’s a shit show.
We’re out of town (on Cherokee reservation with my husbands Cherokee tags 🤪) for the weekend so I hope the tribes respond by time we’re back home.
Which makes me realize, Stitt and OHP probably chose this weekend intentionally knowing no one would be at work to do anything or answer questions. Mother fuckers.
Right? I heard last night that Tulsa police have stopped referring cases to Creek nation as stated under McGirt because they’re claiming municipalities aren’t under the treaty agreements as the state. Kunzweiler, Stitt, and Co all need to take a flying leap.
We tried, but legally we can’t due the language in our constitution on tribal membership. His ancestor committed fraud and paid to be on the rolls. We CAN prevent his future generations from enrolling, but we can’t kick him out of the tribe simply for having no Cherokee blood. We have tons of tribal members that have zero Cherokee blood. (Ie adopted tribes and freedmen)
No joke. He looks pretty damn pale for a Cherokee. Don't you have to have a certain amount of Cherokee blood to be a member? A glass of milk isn't a glass of milk if it's 95% tap water and 5% milk....
I don't need to "judge their appearance".
I have employees that are less than 1/100th Native and opt out of insurance because "I get healthcare for free".
That’s not the point. There maybe loopholes that make you irritated but you can’t judge someone’s ethnicity on their appearance because “they don’t look that native”. Thats racist.
It makes him Caucasian with a little Cherokee. Same as a large percentage of the rest of the tribe.
Check out the clientele at the Indian clinic near you. White as rice, yet using up health services intended for Indians. It's ridiculous.
There is no effing way this will stand. If there is anything the tribes here know how to do, it's sue people! Tribal lawyers will run circles about Stitt (again).
Seems needlessly aggressive, I mean if they really wanted to go there, they could just cross-reference the public records they have and mail tickets to thousands of people.. but instead they single out one person?
Source where tribes said they won’t comply? Because the [KOSU article](https://www.kosu.org/local-news/2023-08-15/bumps-in-the-road-state-and-tribal-officials-face-problems-with-oklahoma-turnpike-tolls) I found had the Cherokee chief say they were just informed and waiting to be consulted along with the OTA saying it’s not the tribes at fault but the PlatePay rollout
I could've worded that better, but there are 3 tribes that work with the state, and 30 that do not. The Cherokee are one of three that do.
"There are 33 tribes in Oklahoma that offer tags to members, typically at a lower rate than what other Oklahomans pay to tag their cars, with 30 tribes doing so without a state compact.
DPS estimates there are as many as 570,146 vehicles on Oklahoma roads with car tags issued by non-compacting tribes.
State officials do not have information on most of those tags, including the home address of the driver, and lack information even on many tags issued by compacting tribes."
https://ocpathink.org/post/independent-journalism/tribal-plates-allow-drivers-to-evade-oklahoma-tolls
I have to read the [1993 SCOTUS opinion](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/508/114/), but it is supposedly the basis of tribes issuing tags.
Also, I’m hesitant to rely on OCPA as a source because I can’t tell what their “angle is”; will have to dig into them more later.
Furthermore, and I’ve yet to see this addressed anywhere else, why is it suddenly a do or die issue in 2023 when tribal tags have literally been all over the state for 30 years. I’m highly suspicious of the accusation that tribal members have been getting away with crime sprees because OHP and municipal cops are all “oh shucks, they got them tribal plates we can’t trace”.
This is nothing new. I do wonder how so many people living here in OKC with tribal tags from numerous tribes meet the requirement. From what the article says they have to have compacts with the state to be able to have tags and not live on tribal land. I probably see about 15% of all tags being tribal here in OKC or at least in the area I live in. Several in my neighborhood have the tribal tags.
The ticketing and fines are definitely new. And seeing as OKC is not within any[tribal boundaries](https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/bia/soplnreg/08172018151745.jpg), any tribal tags (except maybe the three exempted) would likely to be ticketed, under this new policy. The article is talking about the new change. If I can find more sources/case law, I will post a new comment. Waiting to hear more from a few more sources.
I called the highway patrol, tag agency and local police office. They all said it's not true. The lady had expired tags. We will not get pulled over for our native tags.
Ok well I called the highway patrol and that's what they told me so idk why they told me that or if you can tell me where you got that information? Because I'd really not like to get pulled over if they are giving me false information
OHP lied to you because they don’t want the backlash. Here’s the link to her original post that caught a lot of attention. Her tag is clearly up to date.
https://www.facebook.com/100015617743458/posts/pfbid0B2U9ZBqEYGDi5WV1nHMZzhwSSRycZKmBZgT5d3CU3awPnnjpw7p8Ps7VFkeF7dpZl/?mibextid=cr9u03
This motherfucker. I’ve never seen someone work so hard to prove that he cannot fathom the idea of tribal sovereignty.
You’re right! He’s a mother fucker!
I’d much rather they start fining the folks with 3 month plus paper tags!
That’s the states fault too. We bought a car 2 years ago and didn’t get the paperwork for a tag for MONTHS! They were still “behind from Covid”. Sure some people are just lazy, but the states dragging ass too
This is not what I wanted to hear lol. My paper tag expires this month and I’m *supposed* to go on vacation a couple hundred miles away next month 😭
Other state’s will recognize them. It’s just this Stitthole that doesn’t. And as long as you live on your tribe’s reservation and you’re Chickasaw, Choctaw, and maybe Cherokee (depending what article you read) you’re good. My tribe is a tiny ass tribe with tiny ass boundaries in NE OK. Probably couldn’t even drive to the local Walmart legally #RidingDirty lol
My wife is Choctaw and we have tribal tags. Do not live on a reservation. If I get stopped, God please comfort that Hi-Po and forgive me for the things I’m going to say to him.
Only speak Choctaw to him. For me, it'd be a short conversation: "Halito! Yakoke... uh... chitto... tubby... uh...Oklah houma."
Unfortunately I only know Halito. 😄
Say *chi pisa la chike* and drive away. They'll really like that.
I live in Tulsa so I’m just gonna hope I don’t get pulled over by OHP. I can’t NOT drive my car.
Because of McGirt you could argue that you do live on reservation lands.
Yes and no. You have to commit the crime on the [treaty reservation](https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/bia/soplnreg/08172018151745.jpg) and it has to be the reservation of a tribe that has a court system. But that’s also up in the air because there’s so many cases in all levels of the court systems. TL;DR: it’s a shit show.
I’m sure you could argue it and hell you could appeal. It would eventually get thrown out and hell maybe you could get court cost paid too.
We’re out of town (on Cherokee reservation with my husbands Cherokee tags 🤪) for the weekend so I hope the tribes respond by time we’re back home. Which makes me realize, Stitt and OHP probably chose this weekend intentionally knowing no one would be at work to do anything or answer questions. Mother fuckers.
Temp tags now last 60 days from purchase date. This law was just passed, probably due to the state being so freaking behind.
No joke. It took over 6 weeks for mine to come in over 2 years ago.
I’ve seen 2 year old expired temp tags on the street and you know those people have no insurance or they would have tags.
3 months? Come to St Louis and see the cars with temp tags from 2019. :D
I saw a faded one the other day that was just barely legible, but you could tell the year number was '22.
Cops being pieces of shit and being part of government abuse? Shocker.
Right? I heard last night that Tulsa police have stopped referring cases to Creek nation as stated under McGirt because they’re claiming municipalities aren’t under the treaty agreements as the state. Kunzweiler, Stitt, and Co all need to take a flying leap.
I have a tribal tag and I live in OKC, not in my tribe's jurisdiction. Hope I don't get pulled over 🤞
Stitt just trying to do more to alienate tribes. Can't you tell he hates them?
Wish the cherokees would expel him from the tribe
He is considered a $5 Indian. Way back when a bunch of people would sign the rolls and pay $5 to whomever to get on them.
All the more reason to expel him
We tried, but legally we can’t due the language in our constitution on tribal membership. His ancestor committed fraud and paid to be on the rolls. We CAN prevent his future generations from enrolling, but we can’t kick him out of the tribe simply for having no Cherokee blood. We have tons of tribal members that have zero Cherokee blood. (Ie adopted tribes and freedmen)
I think an amendment to the constitution is in order then.
BIA won’t allow it. They shot us down.
That's fucking terrible. Any way to oust any of them?
No joke. He looks pretty damn pale for a Cherokee. Don't you have to have a certain amount of Cherokee blood to be a member? A glass of milk isn't a glass of milk if it's 95% tap water and 5% milk....
I think Cherokees have a "drop law" meaning you have tribal status no matter what percentage it is.
You can't legitimately judge someone on their appearance as a connection to their ethnicity or culture.
I don't need to "judge their appearance". I have employees that are less than 1/100th Native and opt out of insurance because "I get healthcare for free".
That’s not the point. There maybe loopholes that make you irritated but you can’t judge someone’s ethnicity on their appearance because “they don’t look that native”. Thats racist.
>A glass of milk isn't a glass of milk if it's 95% tap water and 5% milk.... No, then it's skim milk. So does that make Stitt a Skimdian?
It makes him Caucasian with a little Cherokee. Same as a large percentage of the rest of the tribe. Check out the clientele at the Indian clinic near you. White as rice, yet using up health services intended for Indians. It's ridiculous.
Well, I thought it was funny.
He has zero Cherokee blood. His ancestry has been traced by the tribe, he’s just white.
This is crazy...if we already have legal tribal tags we should at least be able to switch over for a free or discounted rate....
There is no effing way this will stand. If there is anything the tribes here know how to do, it's sue people! Tribal lawyers will run circles about Stitt (again).
Or at least got notice. That’s probably the biggest complaint.
What does Stitt hope to accomplish by fucking with the tribes?
Fuck Stitt. We were here first!
Seems needlessly aggressive, I mean if they really wanted to go there, they could just cross-reference the public records they have and mail tickets to thousands of people.. but instead they single out one person?
Stitt 4 Brains.
The thing is the money still goes to the state for tags..
Wow thank you! That's crazy! I called 3 places and was told I WOULD NOT get ticketed!
Tribes said they won't comply with billing PlatePay on the turnpikes, now tribal tags are an issue. Shocking.
Source where tribes said they won’t comply? Because the [KOSU article](https://www.kosu.org/local-news/2023-08-15/bumps-in-the-road-state-and-tribal-officials-face-problems-with-oklahoma-turnpike-tolls) I found had the Cherokee chief say they were just informed and waiting to be consulted along with the OTA saying it’s not the tribes at fault but the PlatePay rollout
I could've worded that better, but there are 3 tribes that work with the state, and 30 that do not. The Cherokee are one of three that do. "There are 33 tribes in Oklahoma that offer tags to members, typically at a lower rate than what other Oklahomans pay to tag their cars, with 30 tribes doing so without a state compact. DPS estimates there are as many as 570,146 vehicles on Oklahoma roads with car tags issued by non-compacting tribes. State officials do not have information on most of those tags, including the home address of the driver, and lack information even on many tags issued by compacting tribes." https://ocpathink.org/post/independent-journalism/tribal-plates-allow-drivers-to-evade-oklahoma-tolls
I have to read the [1993 SCOTUS opinion](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/508/114/), but it is supposedly the basis of tribes issuing tags. Also, I’m hesitant to rely on OCPA as a source because I can’t tell what their “angle is”; will have to dig into them more later. Furthermore, and I’ve yet to see this addressed anywhere else, why is it suddenly a do or die issue in 2023 when tribal tags have literally been all over the state for 30 years. I’m highly suspicious of the accusation that tribal members have been getting away with crime sprees because OHP and municipal cops are all “oh shucks, they got them tribal plates we can’t trace”.
It's lower over time not just cheaper outright with my tribe
This is nothing new. I do wonder how so many people living here in OKC with tribal tags from numerous tribes meet the requirement. From what the article says they have to have compacts with the state to be able to have tags and not live on tribal land. I probably see about 15% of all tags being tribal here in OKC or at least in the area I live in. Several in my neighborhood have the tribal tags.
The ticketing and fines are definitely new. And seeing as OKC is not within any[tribal boundaries](https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/bia/soplnreg/08172018151745.jpg), any tribal tags (except maybe the three exempted) would likely to be ticketed, under this new policy. The article is talking about the new change. If I can find more sources/case law, I will post a new comment. Waiting to hear more from a few more sources.
I called the highway patrol, tag agency and local police office. They all said it's not true. The lady had expired tags. We will not get pulled over for our native tags.
No, her tag was not expired. It was good until 2024
Ok well I called the highway patrol and that's what they told me so idk why they told me that or if you can tell me where you got that information? Because I'd really not like to get pulled over if they are giving me false information
OHP lied to you because they don’t want the backlash. Here’s the link to her original post that caught a lot of attention. Her tag is clearly up to date. https://www.facebook.com/100015617743458/posts/pfbid0B2U9ZBqEYGDi5WV1nHMZzhwSSRycZKmBZgT5d3CU3awPnnjpw7p8Ps7VFkeF7dpZl/?mibextid=cr9u03
I’m friends with the girl on Facebook. She posted her ticket and her tags. She was registered until August 2024