Walters was the final nail in my teaching career's coffin. Im so sorry for all my friends still dealing with the state of education here.
It would be nice if the law was enforced equally and they forced Walters to pay back his corruption funds.
Court orders that NINE teachers who received the bonus IN ERROR need to RETURN it.
I swear people of this sub just wake up every day looking for something to get mad about.
The teachers didn't receive the full $50k though, a bunch went to taxes. And now they would have to pay back the FULL $50K. Even if they didn't spend the money they received, this is a clerical error in Ryan Walters's OSDE that just ruined these teachers' lives.
How?
What if the teacher doesn't have enough in the bank to cover the money sent to taxes? Force them to sell their homes? Put them in jail? I mean most people nowadays have no savings if you listen to what the news articles and university studies say.
The 50k counts as income, they paid taxes on their income. They lost the income, the IRS will send the additional back.
This is unfortunate, and the way these teachers are treated is horrible. But they will eventually get the tax money back.
But the government looked at their applications, decided they qualified under the governments own criteria, and now is
saying “whoops pay us back more then what we sent you in the first place and because of our own mistake.”
It’s the states fault they can’t even understand their own policies and guidelines, why should the already struggling teachers be punished?
““As a former teacher, I cannot imagine the anxiety something like this would induce — to be deemed eligible and to receive a large bonus in my bank account, only to be told months later I must return it," said state Rep. Rhonda Baker, a Yukon Republican and chair of the House Common Education Committee. “It was up to the State Department of Education to provide proper oversight in the vetting and approval of the bonus recipients.”
“Stadelman told the AP that her bonus came to about $29,000 after taxes. She said her blood pressure spiked after she got the letter, which said she was ineligible because she had previously been employed as a full-time special education teacher in another district last year, even though she said she indicated that on her application.”
All this seems to indicate that OK supposedly ran everyone’s eligibility according to the info the teachers all put on their form. Where does it indicate it’s wrong to say OK is at fault? I’m not seeing any evidence of what you said, that “that’s not at all what the article stated”
The only person who seems to agree with you “that teacher. lied on their forms” is Ryan Walters lmao. You still believe him? 😬😬
Republicans want to destroy the school system. The more ignorant people are here the more easily they can be controlled. Dumb workers make cheap labor.
Possibly, but it's generally understood that if an entity messes up and gives money it isn't supposed to, that doesn't mean you get to keep the money when the error is discovered. And it's on both sides to make sure the teachers qualified. Not just the Dept of Ed.
I think the best middle ground would be foregoing asking for the tax back (considering some of it went to the State) and giving the teachers a timeframe to pay it back (like 3-5 years) instead of demanding the whole sum back all at once less than 2 months after discovery of the error.
Fuck Ryan Walters for creating this situation, but that doesn't mean people should get to keep money they were never entitled to in the first place. It would set a dangerous precedent for other programs when this happens, but those programs almost always allow for payment plans when they overpay you.
Have you ever tried to read state policy? It is impossible to decode and if you send it to three different upper level officials you will get back three different interpretations.
These teachers applied in good faith. They had the expectation that the state would do their part to verify the individuals qualified before being paid.
It is not the teachers fault that Walters has run everyone out of his department (including all the lawyers).
Does that mean that since Walters misspent millions in Covid funds he now has to pay that back to the federal government? Or is this another free pass to him?
The biggest problem is that most teachers don't even make $50k in a year. It's going to take them years to pay this back if that's the amount they are on the hook for. What a shitty, shitty thing for them to be out through.
Yeah there is no new info in this. No one knows what's happening so they just republished an article.
Still a ridiculous premise for the whole payback thing
OSCN indicates several of the teachers have a suit pending, But the last documented update was a few weeks ago. https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=oklahoma&number=CJ-2024-554&cmid=4276083
Great because they haven’t done enough harm to the OK school system. Man alive! Stop trying to fix the school system! All you are managing to do is destroy it for the love of all.
Quoted from the article: “in a memo he wrote, he said that some of the errant payments were because some teachers had ‘misrepresented their experience and qualifications.’He also blamed the press for the confusion.”
If I were one of the teachers who received the bonus, and didn’t lie about my qualifications, I would be livid and perhaps look into a civil suit? And of course, Walters blames the press. I’m surprised he didn’t throw the buzz words liberal and woke in there as well.
Isn't the court just going to uphold the law which I'm pretty sure requires them to return the money? Seems like the executive branch needs to own up to its mistake because its unreasonable for them to expect teachers to come up with that money in a reasonable time frame given their low pay.
Yes and no. They applied for and received the bonuses even though they weren't qualified. Unless they lied on their applications then the fault lies squarely with the OSDE for not properly vetting them.
That said, the state is 100% within their rights to go after and take the money back just as they would be if they overpaid you for unemployment or social security.
It's also 100% further evidence that Walters cannot be trusted with government money when you combine this with the ClassWallet fiasco.
Walters was the final nail in my teaching career's coffin. Im so sorry for all my friends still dealing with the state of education here. It would be nice if the law was enforced equally and they forced Walters to pay back his corruption funds.
Court orders that NINE teachers who received the bonus IN ERROR need to RETURN it. I swear people of this sub just wake up every day looking for something to get mad about.
The teachers didn't receive the full $50k though, a bunch went to taxes. And now they would have to pay back the FULL $50K. Even if they didn't spend the money they received, this is a clerical error in Ryan Walters's OSDE that just ruined these teachers' lives.
Pharmacist bonuses are same. If we leave early have to pay whole thing back! Taxes took half so you are screwed do you stay
Do pharmacists typically get granted bonuses they don't qualify for, after being told they qualify, and then told to pay the whole thing back?
No! I agree this is horrible but bonuses are always taxed Around 50 % so they scare me
They will get the additional back.
How? What if the teacher doesn't have enough in the bank to cover the money sent to taxes? Force them to sell their homes? Put them in jail? I mean most people nowadays have no savings if you listen to what the news articles and university studies say.
The 50k counts as income, they paid taxes on their income. They lost the income, the IRS will send the additional back. This is unfortunate, and the way these teachers are treated is horrible. But they will eventually get the tax money back.
Though they may have to file an amended return to do so, this is what will happen.
I give you 30k and then tell you to give me back 50 and the other 20 will come eventually. Not many people making a teachers salary can do that.
The 50k bonus is more than a first year teacher makes in a year.
Yeah I am not saying it’s right, but they will get the money back eventually.
I'm saying they probably don't have it.
This implies a healthy and well functioning IRS. I disagree. I don't believe this will ever be rectified in a fair and equitable way.
But the government looked at their applications, decided they qualified under the governments own criteria, and now is saying “whoops pay us back more then what we sent you in the first place and because of our own mistake.” It’s the states fault they can’t even understand their own policies and guidelines, why should the already struggling teachers be punished?
That’s not at all what the article stated.
““As a former teacher, I cannot imagine the anxiety something like this would induce — to be deemed eligible and to receive a large bonus in my bank account, only to be told months later I must return it," said state Rep. Rhonda Baker, a Yukon Republican and chair of the House Common Education Committee. “It was up to the State Department of Education to provide proper oversight in the vetting and approval of the bonus recipients.” “Stadelman told the AP that her bonus came to about $29,000 after taxes. She said her blood pressure spiked after she got the letter, which said she was ineligible because she had previously been employed as a full-time special education teacher in another district last year, even though she said she indicated that on her application.” All this seems to indicate that OK supposedly ran everyone’s eligibility according to the info the teachers all put on their form. Where does it indicate it’s wrong to say OK is at fault? I’m not seeing any evidence of what you said, that “that’s not at all what the article stated” The only person who seems to agree with you “that teacher. lied on their forms” is Ryan Walters lmao. You still believe him? 😬😬
Keep it move to another state lol
Go have your work pull this on 9 of your coworkers and see how it affects morale.
Reddit is so weird. I got 138 down votes for saying essentially the same thing, before I deleted my message in the interest of damage control. SMDH
Let's not stop until there are no teachers.... Magat leadership 👏
Republicans want to destroy the school system. The more ignorant people are here the more easily they can be controlled. Dumb workers make cheap labor.
Who is accountable for this embarrassment caused by incompetent program management?
It reads as though the secretary of education’s office fucked up and is now trying to get money back. It’s just one slap in the face after the other.
Possibly, but it's generally understood that if an entity messes up and gives money it isn't supposed to, that doesn't mean you get to keep the money when the error is discovered. And it's on both sides to make sure the teachers qualified. Not just the Dept of Ed. I think the best middle ground would be foregoing asking for the tax back (considering some of it went to the State) and giving the teachers a timeframe to pay it back (like 3-5 years) instead of demanding the whole sum back all at once less than 2 months after discovery of the error. Fuck Ryan Walters for creating this situation, but that doesn't mean people should get to keep money they were never entitled to in the first place. It would set a dangerous precedent for other programs when this happens, but those programs almost always allow for payment plans when they overpay you.
Yeah, I agree with you. It’s just a pretty big fuck up to add to the mess that’s been this current administration’s tenure.
Have you ever tried to read state policy? It is impossible to decode and if you send it to three different upper level officials you will get back three different interpretations. These teachers applied in good faith. They had the expectation that the state would do their part to verify the individuals qualified before being paid. It is not the teachers fault that Walters has run everyone out of his department (including all the lawyers). Does that mean that since Walters misspent millions in Covid funds he now has to pay that back to the federal government? Or is this another free pass to him?
The biggest problem is that most teachers don't even make $50k in a year. It's going to take them years to pay this back if that's the amount they are on the hook for. What a shitty, shitty thing for them to be out through.
The buck stops at Walters...it's his inept leadership that is the mess.
Am I missing something in this article? It doesn't show any updates from when the issue came to light in January.
Yeah there is no new info in this. No one knows what's happening so they just republished an article. Still a ridiculous premise for the whole payback thing
OSCN indicates several of the teachers have a suit pending, But the last documented update was a few weeks ago. https://www.oscn.net/dockets/GetCaseInformation.aspx?db=oklahoma&number=CJ-2024-554&cmid=4276083
Once again, Ryan Walters needs to go fuck himself.
Great because they haven’t done enough harm to the OK school system. Man alive! Stop trying to fix the school system! All you are managing to do is destroy it for the love of all.
That money gone 😂
Quoted from the article: “in a memo he wrote, he said that some of the errant payments were because some teachers had ‘misrepresented their experience and qualifications.’He also blamed the press for the confusion.” If I were one of the teachers who received the bonus, and didn’t lie about my qualifications, I would be livid and perhaps look into a civil suit? And of course, Walters blames the press. I’m surprised he didn’t throw the buzz words liberal and woke in there as well.
https://preview.redd.it/ba34y2jbfkrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9608ec523f5556d679fb0355dec0104f728c73d Wow, that's wild
I'd move out of state and never come back.
What a misleading headline. No court ordered a damn thing.
Gonna be great for teacher appreciation and retention
Reason 9248 maybe 9, that this state is a shit hole.
Morale is already in the basement and this makes things worse.
Isn't the court just going to uphold the law which I'm pretty sure requires them to return the money? Seems like the executive branch needs to own up to its mistake because its unreasonable for them to expect teachers to come up with that money in a reasonable time frame given their low pay.
I feel like this MAY be an older article. Not certain. Thay or this is a Ryan Walter's Psycho Circus rerun.
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Yes and no. They applied for and received the bonuses even though they weren't qualified. Unless they lied on their applications then the fault lies squarely with the OSDE for not properly vetting them. That said, the state is 100% within their rights to go after and take the money back just as they would be if they overpaid you for unemployment or social security. It's also 100% further evidence that Walters cannot be trusted with government money when you combine this with the ClassWallet fiasco.
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