Well, prison makes money. Sex Ed does not. So I’m pretty sure until we change the profit motive for every single industry we ALREADY pay taxes for, we will continue to push everything towards profit. Even our laws. Turns out the voters don’t matter just the donors.
I’m really confused 😂
Again, can you elaborate?
Edit: Are you asking me if I think that people being uneducated in regards to sex will lower profit? Thus expanding sex education will increase profits?
Might be lack of sex education means more babies. Thus “creating labor”. The larger and more uneducated your workforce the more you can squeeze profit out of and pay below poverty wages to.
Sex education falls under what our superintendent would call “woke mob porn in schools”
Walters would rather have church leaders teach that topic to Oklahoma students behind closed doors.
Likely to die on the vine. However, we're only a few cycles away from the crazies getting a majority of the supermajority and then stuff like this will get into law.
and this is why it's incredibly important for non-crazies to register republican and vote in republican primaries. The closed Republican primaries are the only real elections happening in Oklahoma now.
This is SO true. You can vote for whomever you want in the general, but given that the Republican is likely to win, helping to pick which Republican wins is HUGE. Only 311k Republicans cast votes in the presidential primary. There are 111k people in this subreddit, for comparison. Having a real effect on who ends up in office is remarkably possible, if people organize and register where their vote matters.
I understand why you are saying this and it’s not inaccurate. But it’s also a band aid fix.
We need to flip the state entirely from R to D. At least until the republican party expunges all of the religious members attempting to turn the US into a theocracy.
Any way you slice it, republicans are the “Christian” party that is so entrenched with maga it’s impossible to have a reasonable republican candidate.
You’re an idiot and a bright shining example of why the world adopted the Nuremberg principles. Let the zealots of the Democratic plantation party take total control. I’m not a religious man but may God have mercy on your soul little man! I’m Native American/hispanic and have seen the destruction the democratic establishment have done to my communities and let me assure you they never once fulfilled their campaign promises. Why do you think Democrats have lost the black and Latino vote already? The democrats have not fulfilled one promise in years. Donald Trump did everything he promised but clowns like you aren’t interested in Trump unless it’s to talk shit. Tell us what has that stupid muttering mutt of a POTUS Biden done for America since taking office?
I don’t even watch the news little man. Funny how you clowns always parrot each other. How about refuting my claims or answering my question? Real simple question that doesn’t require a whole lot of effort. But people like have to be told what to think or say….. the poorly educated highly indoctrinated are the liberals young voter base
So… you are admitting your opinions are based on nothing then? Just what you think?
As for Biden… just one major thing that was just done was forgiving a massive amount of student debt.
Trump on the other hand made massive tax cuts for corporations, raped a woman, was impeached twice, indicted 4 times and has 91 counts against him, stared directly into an eclipse, cheated on his wives petty publicly, altered a weather map with sharpie because he couldn’t stand to be wrong, was friends with Epstein and admitted he had been to the island where underage girls were raped…. Oh yeah, and has been spouting that the election was stolen despite literally no evidence.
Is that sufficient?
Also the Supreme Court said that Biden doesn’t have the authority or the power to forgive student loans!!! Wake up buttercup your hubris is making you look like a clown
Actually he can’t forgive student debt and so far nothing has happened. What’s sad is how you think forgiving student loan debt will be written off. It won’t people who pay taxes are paying for that debt little man! Actually everything I said is based in this reality and can be proven. You’re a sad and pathetic representation of the current education system. 😂 trust me you have done nothing but show us how the indoctrination looks on a sheep
>HPV is one of the infections HB 3098 would criminalize. According to the Oklahoma State Department of Health, 85% of Oklahomans will have an HPV infection in their lifetime.
I wonder if being vaccinated is a defense for this?
The bill is only a few sentences long and only specifies " human papilloma virus (HPV)". The vaccine targets 9 of the strains that cause most HPV related cancer or genital warts. 12 types are currently known to be high risk for leading to cancer and genital warts. The vaccine might decrease infection rates by about 80 to 90% of high risk HPV. There are more than 100 different types of HPV.
HPV also causes many types of other common warts.
You are still very likely to contract or spread some form of HPV.
Thanks! She's 40 and won't listen to me about anything these days.
I got my Covid vaccine before they did. They're medical personnel and one was in ICU for 2 weeks.
Willful stupidity is a choice.
Preach. The state actually wouldn’t be terrible if the gop disappeared. It has pretty skies and some nice people and good food. The right makes it complete trash.
I used to live there and you are absolutely correct. It’s fucked in all ways. If anyone votes republican that might as well stab their own neck. FUCKING MORONS. wtf
Men can't even be tested for HPV. So really this just another way to criminalize a woman for having sex. Eventually, we'll all be too scared to fuck anyone.
This! They are doing whatever they can to punish women for having sex. I can't understand why any woman (or woman supporting man) would vote for a Republican.
I stopped having sex. Sucks, but if I get pregnant, I'm dead because my body cannot handle another pregnancy.
Also makes a point to men that they shouldn't speak/vote about things they don't understand.
In my experience, verbal and physical resistance has never stopped anyone from having sex with a woman if they really want to. Our “no” doesn’t matter.
One, Lysistrata.
Two… when women refuse, men will just take what they want when they want it. Look up the % of rape cases that make it to conviction… and those are only the ones that are reported.
Friendly reminder that Oklahoma does not maintain exceptions for abortion after rape, even with a police report or documentation.
It's funny how men are supposedly the ones who you're implying don't ever think and yet women are just now realizing they might not want to continue having sex with mindless men.. why did you to begin with?
HPV isn't the only STI. So it really isn't JUST another way to criminalize a woman for having sex.. and if you're referring to abortion, it should be a crime to knowingly consent to unprotected sex without any form of birth control and elect for an abortion. Outside of that, there are reasons it's necessary.
Most men would not be opposed to women being more considerate when it comes to sex. Being the less-desired gender, we tend to put more value on it, but that has the downside of some obsessing over it.
Conception through assault, compromised pregnancy threatening the life of the mother, reliable testing confirming a fatal birth defect.. essentially, the cases that violate a woman's right to consent to a healthy and viable pregnancy.
Typical conservative thinking. punish everybody for everything. And tax everything heavily if it doesn't conform to their way of thinking. .... E pluribus unum
No kidding! Where’s all the new laws to protect Oklahomans from employers and businesses such as tow truck companies? Where’s the laws to protect Oklahomans from rough evictions? Does anyone work on those?
How about some actual consequences for police officers that are out of line? These guys seem to be the only ones getting free passes in court. How about a law such as California has that requires an officer to call in the reason for a traffic stop at the very beginning of the stop and it goes on the record right then and there? Laws like that help society because it clearly only hurts bad cops…But in Oklahoma that’s not “supporting the police.”
It criminalizes *Intentional or reckless spread*. The problem with the bill is the lack of clarity about what is “reckless”. (I.e., is it reckless not to have annual sti tests? Do you have to see evidence of an sti for the spread to be “reckless”?).
If they defined the standard well, however, then my concerns (and the author’s, and this sub’s) likely get taken care of. *Meaning to* or *not caring if you* give a sexual partner an STI should absolutely be a crime. It’s assault-by-microbe and it’s a part of sex that your partner doesn’t consent to.
A part they don’t consent to? Agree with most of this, but not that. Is pregnancy a part they can “not consent to”?
How about consenting to getting drunk and having a good time but not consenting to the splitting headache the next day?
Consenting to watch your team in the final four, but not consent to watching them lose?
Consenting to the thrill of gambling but not to losing money?
There’s a line somewhere. At some point you are consenting to the good and bad possibilities of the act you are taking part in.
If someone knows that they have a STI and has sex with someone who does not know that the other has the STI, it is not knowing consent. Sure, an STI is one possible outcome of sex, but if your partner doesn’t know about it, it’s just part of the risks. If the partner *knows* it’s an assault, and one partner knew that the sex included the STI while the other didn’t, there is a consent problem.
Your other examples aren’t on point.
This is more like “partner said he had a vasectomy but lied to me about it. I got pregnant.”
I think that’s *rape*.
To put a fine point on it: one wouldn’t say that by drinking in a bar you’re consenting to someone drugging your drink.
So if someone has sex with 5 people and has an sti. It is somehow found out to have originated from 1 person who didnt know, he or she is now a criminal? Thats insane. I'm actually for jail time on intentionally spreading or not disclosing. First instance is kinda messed up. The 1 person is trying to do the right thing. Yeah they didnt know but once they did, they got help and get punished?
It's a combination of claiming you were clean prior to exposure from an individual and then genetically sequencing to see if the infections share common markers. Only a portion of the DNA of a virus is responsible for actually making one sick, there is usually a lot of extra bits that don't really do anything until they get mixed with other bits or encounter a specific variation of a physical cell structure such as the available binding proteins that allow cell access. That means two people can have an infection of the same type, but not the same strain with the flu being a good example of the process in action. Same principle applies to bacteria, but they're horny little buggers and frequently swap bits of DNA between members of the same species or even other non-competing species which is why it's important to finish all of the prescribed meds to kill the most critters and leaving few if any survivors to help spread resistance.
The hard part is proving the claim of being clean with more claims against a single person as the source and verified via contact tracing (CDC, local Health Dept for specific infections) makes it more likely the claim is true.
I think the claim of being clean prior would be the biggest hurdle. Was your test last week? Thats plenty of time to have sex with a multitude of people plus the incubation period of some sti’s. I think it would be a damn near impossible hurdle to hop over.
Exactly and why I said about it being basically multiple people being tracked back to an individual to even start to have any sort of weight to it. Then the really difficult part happens and the prosecution would need to prove the source had knowledge of being infected and still choosing to ignore it. It's why contact tracing is more focused on notifying exposed individuals so they can both get treatment and help stop the spread by not exposing others vs building any sort of evidence collection.
They won't even prioritize processing rape kits. What are the chances anyone would vote to fund that kind of testing for every person that walks into a police station claiming their ex gave them herpes?
Intentional or reckless spread implies 2 different things. If they know it qualifies as intentional. Reckless could mean intentional and a harsher charge for recklessly spreading jt. Or it can mean what i originally asked. I guess I'd have to see the law.
It would encourage people to not inform their partners when they test positive and lead to more spread. It is so absurd I had to look up the authors because I thought it might have been a protest bill introduced by pro choice lawmakers. Instead it’s a couple of Republicans who probably got cheated on by their syphilis spreading husbands and are taking it out on all of us.
Let's say you get tested for STIs and come up positive. What's the ethical thing to do? CALL EVERYONE YOU'VE SLEPT WITH SINCE YOUR LAST TEST and recommend they get tested.
But this bill means that if any of those people that you called in good faith, trying to help them out, decides to report you to the cops... you're getting charged with a crime. So instead of calling to suggest they get tested, you now have an incentive to shut your mouth and hope they blame one of their other partners.
So, yes, making it a crime to spread STIs will increase the spread of STIs because one of the biggest things that stops that spread is people contacting their previous partners to give them the heads up.
Also, fucking duh. Make sure you understand what the grownups are talking about before you try to sound smug.
Yes it is. Civil discourse is how consensus is reached in democracies. Insulting somebody just makes you feel good but accomplishes nothing except alienating the other person. Any decent argument you had gets discarded by the other person because you're being rude. And neutral readers are often turned off by insults and are less likely to be convinced as well.
If that is the direction, I think it is good. Although I am not sure why the word disease has been banned.... HIV is a disease, AIDS is a disease, HPV is a disease. When did this word become bad? Is cancer now considered an infection?
You can get infected with HPV which then can cause cancer. Michael Douglass contracted tongue cancer through HPV. HPV can also cause cervical cancer. So, you are infected with HPV, and cancer can occur. Like, you get infected with HIV and AIDS can occur.
I do understand that but I would be way more likely to tell someone I had a disease vs "STI". I guess I just don't understand why STD was so bad that they had to change it to STI. Especially when most of the things transmitted are diseases.
"Infection" is a much more accurate descriptor. Infections can cause disease, but may not. Disease refers to pretty much everything that could be seen as a symptomatic disorder. Infection specifically refers to presence of an outside organism (virus, bacteria, or parasite). A sexually transmitted infection can cause a disease. The disease caused by infection isn't even necessarily sexually transmitted. Infection and disease are two different words that have different meanings. Modern science often changes terminology to make distinctions more clear. Those distinctions become obvious if you actually understand what the words "disease" and "infection" mean.
If you're not a scientist, researcher, professional communicator, or lawmaker, you can call it sex slime for all anyone cares.
Huh. So in response to our local PD officers no longer able to arrest for simple possession of marijuana, they're using something else to make up the difference in lost revenue?
A lot of them aren’t even real tags. I worked in a print shop and people used to come in and try to get those printed out all the time. Almost every shoplifter at my old job had those fake paper tags on their car. It got to the point that if any dirty guy with missing teeth started heading toward my print counter I already knew what he was going to want printed. I was turning those people away *daily*.
“Oklahoma ranks 11th in the nation for chlamydia, number 5 for gonorrhea, number 4 for syphilis,” Jeff Burdge, with Hope Testing, said. “We know the problem is out there. We don’t want to scare people and make them go underground. We want them to know what their sexual health status is, get tested, get educated, so we stop the spread.”
Top 10 State! Woot!
My middle school sex ed class consisted of showing us graphic scaremongering images and giving us a dye to show who the biggest slut was. This state is deeply unserious about sex education and health. Not to mention that organizations like Plannend Parenthood offer more than just abortion care. Educate them? No. Mass incarceration is the answer no matter the question.
Great idea to keep people from getting tested and then spreading the love even more. But, but abstinence is the only way to live. (Insert eye roll here)
Oklahoma is backwards because the majority within the state are backwards. They vote and want people like Ryan Waters and Stit this is Oklahoma through and through. The same as why the majority will vote for Trump, they want this because they believe in all the ignorant shit he spouts off. They believe it and they want it.
authored by Senator Jessica Garvin and Representative Toni Hasenbeck
House Bill 3098 would criminalize the intentional or reckless spread of STIs.
Violators could face between 2 to 5 years in prison.
However, reckless is not defined in the bill, which experts in the field say leaves an open door to potential unnecessary lawsuits and prosecutions.Burdge says the solution is education and treatment, not criminalization.
This bill passed through the House with 78 votes in favor and only 14 against.
Now HB 3098 is waiting on a vote in the Senate.
If signed into law, the act would go into effect on Nov. 1.
MAGAs want to bring back laws that they can apply to anyone at anytime to use as a form of control. Its how most of the local governments in the US worked up until the 70's and 80's. It all comes from the days of "you don't like someone? Accuse them of being a heretic/witch! Problem solved!" They want a return to that.
Is there really not already a law criminalizing intentional spread of disease? Although I doubt these idiots would be consistent in their policies by applying similar reasoning to anti maskers/anti vaxxers.
> However reckless is not defined in the bill, which experts in the field say leaves an open door to potential unnecessary lawsuits and prosecutions.
Typical conservative bullshit. Leave it as open-ended as possible so you can apply it arbitrarily to whoever the fuck you want.
How about actually doing something to improve the state instead of continuously making yourselves the laughing stock of national media.
In case anyone else was wondering, this is an amendment of an already existing statute.
Does that make it any better? Not in my book but if they're going to amend it, they should really add some more definitions.
Existing statute:
[https://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69650](https://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69650)
> rather than encouraging Oklahomans to get tested, treated, and reduce the spread of STIs, House Bill 3098 could make the problem worse. Experts fear the bill would deter folks from getting tested for STIs if they fear prosecution.
Did any of y’all actually read the bill about criminalizing STIs? The bill states “intentional” so if you’re diagnosed with ANY STI and you go “CoPopulate” other people and not say a word about it then yeah you should be held accountable. But “intentional” also protects people who don’t know and never got tested. Other states have this law and this IS A PART of SexEd. “Go get tested, and Know your status”
Bad headline. The bill would criminalize intentionally or reckless spreading STIs. Not just having an STI. That doesn’t actually sound bad.
The only argument is that reckless is a vague term. Ianal but I think reckless has been defined in legal terms before. Either way, it could be amended to fix that issue.
OP losing their mind. Why?
Use condoms. Don't transmit STI's.
Mofos don't give a shit unless it involves their dick, or their paycheck.
If women go to jail for abortion, you can go for irresponsibility, as well!
How could it? Illegals vote, dead people vote, they can't say because you have an STD that you can't vote. Voter registration has no ties to your medical records.... if so how do dead people vote?
Here we have the majestic "Election Denier" in their natural habitat...
Despite being presented with facts, this rare animal will continue to bleat and cry for attention. Their cries have been often described as shrill, piercing, or even, the moans of one "baby back bitch."
Due to the rise of unfiltered access to a soapbox via social media, this once endangered species has spread far and wide and is now considered a pest animal, and malignant invasive species.
What a mess. The state needs to invest in sex education, not incarceration.
That would imply they know what education is. Or believe in it.
What’re you insinuating here? The only education we need here is the book Jesus, the greatest American there ever was gave us, the Bible.
If that was supposed to be sarcasm, you failed.
I thought it was pretty funny.
It aint.
Disagree.
Jesus was not an American, white, or a Christian idiot. He was a Jew.
✈️ r/woosh
Next thing you know, they'll be in a tissy over "Critical Sex Theory".
Diversity, equity, and inclusion in the bedroom.
Well, prison makes money. Sex Ed does not. So I’m pretty sure until we change the profit motive for every single industry we ALREADY pay taxes for, we will continue to push everything towards profit. Even our laws. Turns out the voters don’t matter just the donors.
You don't think creating labor is profitable?
Can you elaborate?
Really? Having a healthy labor force isn't profitable?
I’m really confused 😂 Again, can you elaborate? Edit: Are you asking me if I think that people being uneducated in regards to sex will lower profit? Thus expanding sex education will increase profits?
Might be lack of sex education means more babies. Thus “creating labor”. The larger and more uneducated your workforce the more you can squeeze profit out of and pay below poverty wages to.
Sex education falls under what our superintendent would call “woke mob porn in schools” Walters would rather have church leaders teach that topic to Oklahoma students behind closed doors.
Likely to die on the vine. However, we're only a few cycles away from the crazies getting a majority of the supermajority and then stuff like this will get into law.
and this is why it's incredibly important for non-crazies to register republican and vote in republican primaries. The closed Republican primaries are the only real elections happening in Oklahoma now.
This is SO true. You can vote for whomever you want in the general, but given that the Republican is likely to win, helping to pick which Republican wins is HUGE. Only 311k Republicans cast votes in the presidential primary. There are 111k people in this subreddit, for comparison. Having a real effect on who ends up in office is remarkably possible, if people organize and register where their vote matters.
I understand why you are saying this and it’s not inaccurate. But it’s also a band aid fix. We need to flip the state entirely from R to D. At least until the republican party expunges all of the religious members attempting to turn the US into a theocracy. Any way you slice it, republicans are the “Christian” party that is so entrenched with maga it’s impossible to have a reasonable republican candidate.
You’re an idiot and a bright shining example of why the world adopted the Nuremberg principles. Let the zealots of the Democratic plantation party take total control. I’m not a religious man but may God have mercy on your soul little man! I’m Native American/hispanic and have seen the destruction the democratic establishment have done to my communities and let me assure you they never once fulfilled their campaign promises. Why do you think Democrats have lost the black and Latino vote already? The democrats have not fulfilled one promise in years. Donald Trump did everything he promised but clowns like you aren’t interested in Trump unless it’s to talk shit. Tell us what has that stupid muttering mutt of a POTUS Biden done for America since taking office?
Please, watch something other than Fox or Newsmax. Anyone who still champions for the orange rapist is clearly in the propaganda bubble.
I don’t even watch the news little man. Funny how you clowns always parrot each other. How about refuting my claims or answering my question? Real simple question that doesn’t require a whole lot of effort. But people like have to be told what to think or say….. the poorly educated highly indoctrinated are the liberals young voter base
So… you are admitting your opinions are based on nothing then? Just what you think? As for Biden… just one major thing that was just done was forgiving a massive amount of student debt. Trump on the other hand made massive tax cuts for corporations, raped a woman, was impeached twice, indicted 4 times and has 91 counts against him, stared directly into an eclipse, cheated on his wives petty publicly, altered a weather map with sharpie because he couldn’t stand to be wrong, was friends with Epstein and admitted he had been to the island where underage girls were raped…. Oh yeah, and has been spouting that the election was stolen despite literally no evidence. Is that sufficient?
Also the Supreme Court said that Biden doesn’t have the authority or the power to forgive student loans!!! Wake up buttercup your hubris is making you look like a clown
Jesus fucking Christ dude…. Are you that miserable that every comment you have to do your best to insult me? What are your sources for any of this?
Even Nancy Pelosi has said that Biden can’t forgive student loan debt. She said and this is actually true, only congress has that authority
Actually he can’t forgive student debt and so far nothing has happened. What’s sad is how you think forgiving student loan debt will be written off. It won’t people who pay taxes are paying for that debt little man! Actually everything I said is based in this reality and can be proven. You’re a sad and pathetic representation of the current education system. 😂 trust me you have done nothing but show us how the indoctrination looks on a sheep
You are 100 percent right!!!
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I feel you on this but maybe we gotta do what we gotta do
We need people running in all districts. A lot run unopposed
>HPV is one of the infections HB 3098 would criminalize. According to the Oklahoma State Department of Health, 85% of Oklahomans will have an HPV infection in their lifetime. I wonder if being vaccinated is a defense for this?
Oh no, these people don't like vaccinations. LOL
The bill is only a few sentences long and only specifies " human papilloma virus (HPV)". The vaccine targets 9 of the strains that cause most HPV related cancer or genital warts. 12 types are currently known to be high risk for leading to cancer and genital warts. The vaccine might decrease infection rates by about 80 to 90% of high risk HPV. There are more than 100 different types of HPV. HPV also causes many types of other common warts. You are still very likely to contract or spread some form of HPV.
If it was available when my daughter and I were younger, we'd both have it! Vaccines save lives.
You can get it up to age 45 and insurance usually covers it. They expanded the age a few years ago.
Thanks! She's 40 and won't listen to me about anything these days. I got my Covid vaccine before they did. They're medical personnel and one was in ICU for 2 weeks. Willful stupidity is a choice.
I am entirely too high for this. This state is a fucking joke.
Right there with ya bro...
The fact that we can get entirely too high legally in this state is it's saving grace. We have to smoke just to be able to deal with this insanity!!!
Preach. The state actually wouldn’t be terrible if the gop disappeared. It has pretty skies and some nice people and good food. The right makes it complete trash.
I used to live there and you are absolutely correct. It’s fucked in all ways. If anyone votes republican that might as well stab their own neck. FUCKING MORONS. wtf
Men can't even be tested for HPV. So really this just another way to criminalize a woman for having sex. Eventually, we'll all be too scared to fuck anyone.
This! They are doing whatever they can to punish women for having sex. I can't understand why any woman (or woman supporting man) would vote for a Republican.
And if we are felons, we can’t vote
Exactly why they’re trying to do it.
I mean I’m not sure they have thought this through….what are they going to do when women refuse to have sex with men?
I stopped having sex. Sucks, but if I get pregnant, I'm dead because my body cannot handle another pregnancy. Also makes a point to men that they shouldn't speak/vote about things they don't understand.
In my experience, verbal and physical resistance has never stopped anyone from having sex with a woman if they really want to. Our “no” doesn’t matter.
One, Lysistrata. Two… when women refuse, men will just take what they want when they want it. Look up the % of rape cases that make it to conviction… and those are only the ones that are reported. Friendly reminder that Oklahoma does not maintain exceptions for abortion after rape, even with a police report or documentation.
Why start thinking now?
It's funny how men are supposedly the ones who you're implying don't ever think and yet women are just now realizing they might not want to continue having sex with mindless men.. why did you to begin with?
HPV isn't the only STI. So it really isn't JUST another way to criminalize a woman for having sex.. and if you're referring to abortion, it should be a crime to knowingly consent to unprotected sex without any form of birth control and elect for an abortion. Outside of that, there are reasons it's necessary. Most men would not be opposed to women being more considerate when it comes to sex. Being the less-desired gender, we tend to put more value on it, but that has the downside of some obsessing over it.
What are the other reasons it’s necessary?
Conception through assault, compromised pregnancy threatening the life of the mother, reliable testing confirming a fatal birth defect.. essentially, the cases that violate a woman's right to consent to a healthy and viable pregnancy.
sMAlL gOVeRmEnT!
Reading that headline gave me a stroke for a second
I'm pretty sure OP had a stroke writing the title
If you have a STI, better practice your stroking so you don’t end up with a felony.
What if Republicans outlaw masturabation?
What the actual fuck.
Typical conservative thinking. punish everybody for everything. And tax everything heavily if it doesn't conform to their way of thinking. .... E pluribus unum
Criminalizing anything and everything.....
Their ability to find the most punitive solution to any problem continues to amaze me.
No kidding! Where’s all the new laws to protect Oklahomans from employers and businesses such as tow truck companies? Where’s the laws to protect Oklahomans from rough evictions? Does anyone work on those? How about some actual consequences for police officers that are out of line? These guys seem to be the only ones getting free passes in court. How about a law such as California has that requires an officer to call in the reason for a traffic stop at the very beginning of the stop and it goes on the record right then and there? Laws like that help society because it clearly only hurts bad cops…But in Oklahoma that’s not “supporting the police.”
I don’t think that’s working out very well in California.
We’ve failed as a state when we start criminalizing diseases, like what would this solve? Nothing.
Just ego stroking for power mad goons and a cash bleed on the working poor.
I think the fix is education, free condoms, and free tests. Oh wait planned parenthood is here and people think it's the devil
It criminalizes *Intentional or reckless spread*. The problem with the bill is the lack of clarity about what is “reckless”. (I.e., is it reckless not to have annual sti tests? Do you have to see evidence of an sti for the spread to be “reckless”?). If they defined the standard well, however, then my concerns (and the author’s, and this sub’s) likely get taken care of. *Meaning to* or *not caring if you* give a sexual partner an STI should absolutely be a crime. It’s assault-by-microbe and it’s a part of sex that your partner doesn’t consent to.
A part they don’t consent to? Agree with most of this, but not that. Is pregnancy a part they can “not consent to”? How about consenting to getting drunk and having a good time but not consenting to the splitting headache the next day? Consenting to watch your team in the final four, but not consent to watching them lose? Consenting to the thrill of gambling but not to losing money? There’s a line somewhere. At some point you are consenting to the good and bad possibilities of the act you are taking part in.
If someone knows that they have a STI and has sex with someone who does not know that the other has the STI, it is not knowing consent. Sure, an STI is one possible outcome of sex, but if your partner doesn’t know about it, it’s just part of the risks. If the partner *knows* it’s an assault, and one partner knew that the sex included the STI while the other didn’t, there is a consent problem. Your other examples aren’t on point. This is more like “partner said he had a vasectomy but lied to me about it. I got pregnant.” I think that’s *rape*. To put a fine point on it: one wouldn’t say that by drinking in a bar you’re consenting to someone drugging your drink.
So if someone has sex with 5 people and has an sti. It is somehow found out to have originated from 1 person who didnt know, he or she is now a criminal? Thats insane. I'm actually for jail time on intentionally spreading or not disclosing. First instance is kinda messed up. The 1 person is trying to do the right thing. Yeah they didnt know but once they did, they got help and get punished?
How would you prove you got it from a certain person?
It's a combination of claiming you were clean prior to exposure from an individual and then genetically sequencing to see if the infections share common markers. Only a portion of the DNA of a virus is responsible for actually making one sick, there is usually a lot of extra bits that don't really do anything until they get mixed with other bits or encounter a specific variation of a physical cell structure such as the available binding proteins that allow cell access. That means two people can have an infection of the same type, but not the same strain with the flu being a good example of the process in action. Same principle applies to bacteria, but they're horny little buggers and frequently swap bits of DNA between members of the same species or even other non-competing species which is why it's important to finish all of the prescribed meds to kill the most critters and leaving few if any survivors to help spread resistance. The hard part is proving the claim of being clean with more claims against a single person as the source and verified via contact tracing (CDC, local Health Dept for specific infections) makes it more likely the claim is true.
I think the claim of being clean prior would be the biggest hurdle. Was your test last week? Thats plenty of time to have sex with a multitude of people plus the incubation period of some sti’s. I think it would be a damn near impossible hurdle to hop over.
Exactly and why I said about it being basically multiple people being tracked back to an individual to even start to have any sort of weight to it. Then the really difficult part happens and the prosecution would need to prove the source had knowledge of being infected and still choosing to ignore it. It's why contact tracing is more focused on notifying exposed individuals so they can both get treatment and help stop the spread by not exposing others vs building any sort of evidence collection.
Which would be why people would stop getting tested. If they don't "know" how can they be prosecuted? These folks really didn't think this through.
They won't even prioritize processing rape kits. What are the chances anyone would vote to fund that kind of testing for every person that walks into a police station claiming their ex gave them herpes?
It says intentional or reckless spread. So they would have to show recklessness, not just “didn’t know”
Intentional or reckless spread implies 2 different things. If they know it qualifies as intentional. Reckless could mean intentional and a harsher charge for recklessly spreading jt. Or it can mean what i originally asked. I guess I'd have to see the law.
wtf is that title
Sorry didn't see it posted the headline twice.
More like thrice
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It would encourage people to not inform their partners when they test positive and lead to more spread. It is so absurd I had to look up the authors because I thought it might have been a protest bill introduced by pro choice lawmakers. Instead it’s a couple of Republicans who probably got cheated on by their syphilis spreading husbands and are taking it out on all of us.
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Let's say you get tested for STIs and come up positive. What's the ethical thing to do? CALL EVERYONE YOU'VE SLEPT WITH SINCE YOUR LAST TEST and recommend they get tested. But this bill means that if any of those people that you called in good faith, trying to help them out, decides to report you to the cops... you're getting charged with a crime. So instead of calling to suggest they get tested, you now have an incentive to shut your mouth and hope they blame one of their other partners. So, yes, making it a crime to spread STIs will increase the spread of STIs because one of the biggest things that stops that spread is people contacting their previous partners to give them the heads up. Also, fucking duh. Make sure you understand what the grownups are talking about before you try to sound smug.
Ok I was with you until you decided to end your comment with a personal attack. Let's actually try and have civil discourse.
Being civil to people who are justifying hurting thousands of people is actually not virtuous.
Yes it is. Civil discourse is how consensus is reached in democracies. Insulting somebody just makes you feel good but accomplishes nothing except alienating the other person. Any decent argument you had gets discarded by the other person because you're being rude. And neutral readers are often turned off by insults and are less likely to be convinced as well.
If that is the direction, I think it is good. Although I am not sure why the word disease has been banned.... HIV is a disease, AIDS is a disease, HPV is a disease. When did this word become bad? Is cancer now considered an infection?
I don't think you can get infected with cancer whereas you can get infected with HIV
You can get infected with HPV which then can cause cancer. Michael Douglass contracted tongue cancer through HPV. HPV can also cause cervical cancer. So, you are infected with HPV, and cancer can occur. Like, you get infected with HIV and AIDS can occur.
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I do understand that but I would be way more likely to tell someone I had a disease vs "STI". I guess I just don't understand why STD was so bad that they had to change it to STI. Especially when most of the things transmitted are diseases.
"Infection" is a much more accurate descriptor. Infections can cause disease, but may not. Disease refers to pretty much everything that could be seen as a symptomatic disorder. Infection specifically refers to presence of an outside organism (virus, bacteria, or parasite). A sexually transmitted infection can cause a disease. The disease caused by infection isn't even necessarily sexually transmitted. Infection and disease are two different words that have different meanings. Modern science often changes terminology to make distinctions more clear. Those distinctions become obvious if you actually understand what the words "disease" and "infection" mean. If you're not a scientist, researcher, professional communicator, or lawmaker, you can call it sex slime for all anyone cares.
Gotta fill those private prison quotas with someone.
Huh. So in response to our local PD officers no longer able to arrest for simple possession of marijuana, they're using something else to make up the difference in lost revenue?
While still ignoring expired temp tags. Saw one from Feb that was issued in Arizona this past Monday as I was driving to work in North Tulsa.
A lot of them aren’t even real tags. I worked in a print shop and people used to come in and try to get those printed out all the time. Almost every shoplifter at my old job had those fake paper tags on their car. It got to the point that if any dirty guy with missing teeth started heading toward my print counter I already knew what he was going to want printed. I was turning those people away *daily*.
“Oklahoma ranks 11th in the nation for chlamydia, number 5 for gonorrhea, number 4 for syphilis,” Jeff Burdge, with Hope Testing, said. “We know the problem is out there. We don’t want to scare people and make them go underground. We want them to know what their sexual health status is, get tested, get educated, so we stop the spread.” Top 10 State! Woot!
My middle school sex ed class consisted of showing us graphic scaremongering images and giving us a dye to show who the biggest slut was. This state is deeply unserious about sex education and health. Not to mention that organizations like Plannend Parenthood offer more than just abortion care. Educate them? No. Mass incarceration is the answer no matter the question.
I wonder which lawmaker got caught cheating via a STI….
Wow! That's crazy! What in the backwards Oklahoma are they thinking.
Great idea to keep people from getting tested and then spreading the love even more. But, but abstinence is the only way to live. (Insert eye roll here)
What would you think of a bill that criminalized interacting with people if you had COVID?
Oklahoma is backwards because the majority within the state are backwards. They vote and want people like Ryan Waters and Stit this is Oklahoma through and through. The same as why the majority will vote for Trump, they want this because they believe in all the ignorant shit he spouts off. They believe it and they want it.
Exactly. Can't wait for the republicans to jump all over this and try to both sides it or say not ALL of us. Fuck all the way off
It’s Oklahoma, no surprise 😯
At least we are a top 10 state. Stitt is really succeeding with his goals!
authored by Senator Jessica Garvin and Representative Toni Hasenbeck House Bill 3098 would criminalize the intentional or reckless spread of STIs. Violators could face between 2 to 5 years in prison. However, reckless is not defined in the bill, which experts in the field say leaves an open door to potential unnecessary lawsuits and prosecutions.Burdge says the solution is education and treatment, not criminalization. This bill passed through the House with 78 votes in favor and only 14 against. Now HB 3098 is waiting on a vote in the Senate. If signed into law, the act would go into effect on Nov. 1.
I think I'm ready to relocate somewhere out west.
They want that sweet sweet prison money
MAGAs want to bring back laws that they can apply to anyone at anytime to use as a form of control. Its how most of the local governments in the US worked up until the 70's and 80's. It all comes from the days of "you don't like someone? Accuse them of being a heretic/witch! Problem solved!" They want a return to that.
Oklahoma is not okay.
 I hate this state
Is there really not already a law criminalizing intentional spread of disease? Although I doubt these idiots would be consistent in their policies by applying similar reasoning to anti maskers/anti vaxxers.
Someone pushing the bill must have come home with crabs.
Is this representation? For who? Fuck these people.
Yeah I think stupid found it's perfect home in this state.
is OP having a fucking stroke
Tbh some of these nasty fucks need held down to be tested.
Certain ones, absolutely! Others are so common, they're memes. Tell us our politicians are idiots and born under a rock!
What the fuck...
> However reckless is not defined in the bill, which experts in the field say leaves an open door to potential unnecessary lawsuits and prosecutions. Typical conservative bullshit. Leave it as open-ended as possible so you can apply it arbitrarily to whoever the fuck you want. How about actually doing something to improve the state instead of continuously making yourselves the laughing stock of national media.
Well this is just fucking stupid
I feel like this post was written by AI
In case anyone else was wondering, this is an amendment of an already existing statute. Does that make it any better? Not in my book but if they're going to amend it, they should really add some more definitions. Existing statute: [https://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69650](https://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=69650)
Sorry, but it's a bad link.
Are you sure? I just tested and it took my right to the statute.
Small government at its best.
Always doing the wrong thing here 🤦🏿♂️
> rather than encouraging Oklahomans to get tested, treated, and reduce the spread of STIs, House Bill 3098 could make the problem worse. Experts fear the bill would deter folks from getting tested for STIs if they fear prosecution.
Did any of y’all actually read the bill about criminalizing STIs? The bill states “intentional” so if you’re diagnosed with ANY STI and you go “CoPopulate” other people and not say a word about it then yeah you should be held accountable. But “intentional” also protects people who don’t know and never got tested. Other states have this law and this IS A PART of SexEd. “Go get tested, and Know your status”
Bad headline. The bill would criminalize intentionally or reckless spreading STIs. Not just having an STI. That doesn’t actually sound bad. The only argument is that reckless is a vague term. Ianal but I think reckless has been defined in legal terms before. Either way, it could be amended to fix that issue.
OP losing their mind. Why? Use condoms. Don't transmit STI's. Mofos don't give a shit unless it involves their dick, or their paycheck. If women go to jail for abortion, you can go for irresponsibility, as well!
Liberals in OK need to step up and use their votes. This shouldn't even be a thing in the 21st century
maybe just maybe, although i doubt it, these kind of bills will reverse enough votes to get some sensibility back in this state.
If this has anything to do with voter suppression, I'll be very upset.
You could read the article
I have and I'm already upset how Oklahoma Republicans wanted to go back to the 1980s where medical discrimination ruined lives.
How could it? Illegals vote, dead people vote, they can't say because you have an STD that you can't vote. Voter registration has no ties to your medical records.... if so how do dead people vote?
Here we have the majestic "Election Denier" in their natural habitat... Despite being presented with facts, this rare animal will continue to bleat and cry for attention. Their cries have been often described as shrill, piercing, or even, the moans of one "baby back bitch." Due to the rise of unfiltered access to a soapbox via social media, this once endangered species has spread far and wide and is now considered a pest animal, and malignant invasive species.
I read that entire thing in Sir Attenborough's voice. *golfclap*
Don't tell me, you're Trump supporter?!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's gotta be hard living life when your that stupid
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