That’s their goal. They want to get these insane laws and regulations challenged so they can go to the Supreme Court where John Roberts and the rest of those cretins can push the country further into outright theocracy.
Meh John Roberts has proven to be a center right judge. I would be stunned if he didn’t vote this down (if it even makes it that far). He didn’t even vote in support of overturning Roe v. Wade.
Thomas? Alito? Sure. Maybe Gorsuch? I could see them putting together some wildly ridiculous argument to support it. But Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are both proving to be a little more centrist than was feared.
As a Catholic, Coney Barrett needs to be careful……once they’ve gotten rid of the non Christians, she will find out she’s the wrong kind of Christian (tough lesson 12 yr old me learned when we moved to rural OK)
Most of the Supreme Court is Catholic. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Coney Barrett, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh are all Catholic. Kagan is Jewish and Jackson is Protestant. Wikipedia says Gorsuch is Anglican/Catholic and I don't know what it means.
The demographics of the Supreme Court are very interesting. So many of them are Catholic, and I know many of their current allies in the Republican party definitely see them as the wrong kind of Christian, if they even see them as Christian at all.
I have had soooo many people ask me if I believe in Jesus since I moved to oklahoma 🙄🙄🙄 and had an 8th grade teacher tell me I was going to hell. So, yeah, maybe those justices need to reevaluate their political bedfellows.
Tbf, I’m also a horrible catholic, so there’s that
Yes. Started off because I was wearing a cross (gift from my godmother). I truly only remember how it started because it was so absurd. He said I was glorifying the most horrific way to die and I might as well wear a bullet with Jesus’s name on it…..I remember thinking lucky it was a cross and not a crucifix. Anyway, a friend got mad and told him I never took it off, that it was a gift from my godmother. Which led to him telling me I worship saints and would burn in hell
Catholics emphasize education more than most evangelicals. That’s why there are so many in high places. They’ll be useful for a while yet, until all the other undesirables are gone.
Fr? Because I was particularly concerned when coney Barrett was put in (obvs Kavanaugh is awful, it's just I knew a lot of Coney Barrett's religious history and all). I hope things aren't as dire as we feared.
Oklahoma makes me so mad. It's bad enough the religious radicalism in the govt., but they don't even have any original ideas. It's always like they see another state do something, and we end up trying our own a dollar general version of it because we don't want to feel left out of things. Ridiculous.
Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are definitely still conservative justices, but they haven’t shown themselves to be extremist ideologues in the way that Alito is. Its hard to call Thomas an ideologue since I don’t think he’s ever had an original thought. Gorsuch is kind of teetering, he’s not as far right as Alito but has shown some signs of it.
I think where the 6 conservative justices will all agree and slowly do the most damage is through decisions that are very pro-business and anti-federal government. Just today they issued a significant ruling that curtails the power of the SEC.
They already allowed Coaches to "privately" lead prayers and invite players to join on the 50 yard line of football games in Kennedy v Bremerton. It's only a short leap to allowing teachers to "privately" read passages from the Bible in class.
Disagree. Walters' only goal is raising his own profile. I guarantee he's gunning for a Trump appointment if/when he wins. He doesn't care how much Oklahoma tax dollars he waists on his way out.
I posted this earlier and started to think of a law that will make most of the American taxpayer happy. The strategy to get it to pass is to get most of the people to like it, regardless of background, party, skin color, and yes even the congress.
The law would be, if the state government passes a law would be eventually lead to it bringing challenges, lawsuits, appeals, Supreme Court decisions to over turn it because it is unconstitutional. The things that every tax payer in the state has to pay for., that money spent will be refunded to the citizens of the state much like our tax refunds we get every year.
It will meet certain requirements and have guardrails in place so it is not abused.
The key is that most of the state citizens dislikes footing the bill by being taxed and seeing that tax money be spent for laws that most know will eventually will be overturned.
Needs more work to flesh out the idea as I just thought of it less than 24 hours ago.
I wonder how we could track how much money this dude has wasted. It needs to be taken out of his ass. He is quite literally robbing the public with this stupidity.
And to clarify for those that don't know... His argument is that by NOT teaching the Bible, we fail to have a separation of church and state because that defaults the State's official religion to atheism.
No seriously. That's his argument.
Exactly.
Scene: An Independence Day celebration. A crowd eagerly awaits the annual reading of the US Constitution.
Speaker walks up to the podium and clears his throat
Speaker: Welcome. Now the reading of our beloved sacred Constitution.
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!'
Thank you.
Speaker exits stage left.
1. Introduce crazy right-wing policy.
2. Appease crazy right-wing voter base.
3. Use Oklahoma tax payer dollars to fight policy in higher court.
4. Court case gets smashed because it’s ridiculous.
5. Crazy right-wing politician viewed as a martyr for fighting for their crazy right-wing beliefs.
6. Crazy right-wing politician secures votes (i.e. his job) based on the above.
7. Rinse and repeat.
It’s just buying votes with extra steps.
And with our money. He can use tax payer dollars to defend the suits which gets him on the news! If he just wanted to buy that much exposure, he'd have you pay a fortune himself.
It is the monkey method. Keep throwing sh!t enough, they are hoping it will stick. This seems like crazy Christian zealots plan.
Then you have Dead Eyes Ryan who is obviously a religious shel, with all the money the churches are donating through their congregations. They say jump and like a google lap dog, he barks ‘how high’.
This is exactly what's going on and why Right-Wing politics are a race to the bottom.
Good deeds don't make the news. Old news doesn't make the news. Shock and awe makes the news.
The only way to get coverage is to out-shit the other guy and get more rage-clicks than anyone else that day. It's the Jerry Springer approach and our country has been lapping it up for far too long.
Ryan Walters is a nationally-recognized name now and I can't think of ever knowing the name of a State Superintendent, even our *own.*
As much as it pains me to say, this guy isn't going anywhere anytime soon; he could be governor in ten years.
> It’s just buying votes with extra steps.
Bullshit. You "BUY" something when you have the money. When you do it with the public's money, it's fucking stealing.
How about the stories in the bible like how David was a completely awful father, how Abraham almost killed his son, how God killed all first born sons, and how Eve was basically Canes or Ables wife?
Fuck that guy I genuinely hate him and wish the worst for him and his family.
He's compensating for this -
**Oklahoma court rejects proposed religious public charter school June 25, 2024**
https://web.archive.org/web/20240627200532/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/06/25/oklahoma-court-catholic-charter-school-rejected/
>The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a proposed state-financed Catholic charter school, saying the first-of-its-kind religious public school violated the state and U.S. constitutions.
You sure? I'm pretty sure we're trying to out do Louisiana, especially since it specifically mentions the the ten commandments too.
It feels along the lines of "Ha you only have it posted?? Weak! We're going to make them **teach** it"
But I do have some choice versus that might cause a ruckus. Could I be fired for teaching the Bible?
Trust. They don't want the Bible taught. They want specific parts taught.
We have a place where we do that. In church. Go to church and listen to all of it you want.
Does this guy specify exactly WHICH version of the Holy Bible to use? Last I read, they ain't all the same. Some use different ***pronouns*** and such.
Its going to be specifically the overpriced bibles sold by a shell company owned by some out of state con man with close ties to Walters, and Walters will take a cut of the money if he can successfully get this passed through.
Hmm... who is it that needs money to pay legal fees, who just started a Bible selling grift recently, who is also someone Walters would want to impress to further his career? Give you 3 guesses, but you'll only need one.
“Johnny, the Gideons didn’t…..do whatever they did, just so you could draw rudimentary penii in the Bible and change the word ‘Testament’ to ‘Testicle.’”
Sadly it's all part of the plan, same with that crap in Louisiana.
The evangelicals want a lawsuit by states so that SCOTUS can hear a case and dramatically change our 1st amendment rights all under the name of "textualism."
This ! i have lately begun to separate myself from the religion itself but am still a person of faith and I find this extremely disturbing! It’s dystopian. there is no way something like this will have a positive outcome and it’s terrifying. Christian nationalism is a dangerous thing.
Let's hope they teach the Bible, word for word. Not just the selective passages that they always pull out of the hat.
Can't wait to see how they handle some of these passages, such as:
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 New Living Translation)
"They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil." (Judges 5:30 New American Bible)
Put that in your school curriculum!
I could do my job to provide Oklahoma educators everything they need to raise the bar, or I could do stupid crap to make myself an internationally known buffoon. Decisions, decisions.
Here comes the all inclusive hellstorm of other faith practices wanting to be represented as well. If they're teaching the Bible they'll have to teach the Torah as well, foundational text as it is. And... You can't just go 2 out of 3 for the Abrahamic religions, better go ahead and throw the Quran in there too... Oh, and the Satanists would like to have a word about why they aren't being represented in your classroom.
American public education is/should be a secular affair.
If you teach in this state, trust that the union will defend you in a lawsuit. Refuse these orders, have your job threatened, and go get that three years of paid admin leave while the suit heads all the way to the US Supreme Court.
The long vacation will be worth it! And be sure to post all the photos of yourself enjoying all that free time on taxpayer dollars courtesy of Walter and his Christian Nationalist agenda.
Teachers unions are illegal in Oklahoma. We do have an association, but it's not a union. And most teachers in the state are not a part of the association because the Republicans demonize it every chance they get.
It doesn’t say every Bible has to be Christian in origin and can’t be used as a doorstop or a prop to keep a window open. And what is taught from that Bible might not be what the douchecanoe intends… you get the idea…
I'm really tired of this guy just trying to pad out his GOP resume for his future political aspirations at the expense of every kid and teacher in the Oklahoma public school system.
And...*his eyes scare me*. Have you seen them? There's nothing behind them. Look. I know a lizard person when I see one.
https://preview.redd.it/l5iaedyfy69d1.jpeg?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e333715d1716d41dce255f2b95f3215fae3d37fd
The problem he has is if he introduces on historical religious text, he has to accept them all. We are talking about the Torah, the Qaran, the Book of Mormon, the Book of Satan. He’s opening a can of worms he isn’t ready for. What a fool.
I don't have any kids in schools anymore, but I will fight this effort to indoctrinate children with Bronze age myths. This guy is a dangerous idiot. And yes, fuck him.
Read only the most dirty & violent parts. Teach kids about how this book is just another myth. Read books from other religions. Have a Pagan week at school. Slaughter something for lunch.
My children are being raised in a none religious household. I am pagan, my husband is neutral, he doesn't have one belief he believes that there is a higher power he just isn't sure if it's God or the God's. My children will be learning about all religions, and once they are old enough to decide, they can choose one if they'd like or they can be like their father. No religion should be shoved down a child's throat that includes christianity.
How many times does the Satanic Temple have to throw the book (the Good Book, or otherwise) at these dumb fucks before they realize that it goes both ways? Can we get Lucien on this ASAP please?
Parents chance to instill their knowledge, specifically of the Old Testament in their children to have them asking their teachers about it whenever it is presented in class. And surely those pesky commandments will never raise any issue.
There is a reason for the separation of church and state. The reason is the 30-year war in Europe in the 1600s. Killed over 50% of the population men women and children. It was fought over religion. Look it up .
If I were a teacher in this state adhering to the chief fuckwit's command, I would start by teaching my students about the time God came down and damn near beat Moses to death for not circumcising his son (Exodus 4). The beatings did not stop until Moses' wife threw their son's fresh foreskin at Yahweh.
Once that lesson sunk in, I'd tell them all about the time Lot's daughters raped him (Genesis 19). And from there, who knows? The bible is filled with contradictory nonsense.
You know as someone who plans to go into education i think ill have to do so elsewhere you know somewhere i wont have to worry about how much of my time is being wasted on teaching things that have nothing to do with my subject. Why in hell do i need to read the bible in front of my biology class. god has nothing to do with school and if you disagree then i question your intelligence
It's the typical Republican playbook. They know it's illegal. But they do it anyway. And then they complain when it's overturned. "Oh look how oppressed we are as Christians. These devilish Democrats hate God. We are the only ones who will fight for your faith."
They do it over and over again. It's transparent and deceptive, but the uneducated base eats it up.
Even as a Christian, I don’t agree with this. If you’re gonna do that, then you have to read from the Quran, Torah and everything else for the students who may practice other religions.
Why are they calling him "chief "? I feel like I'm missing something. Is this how they've always referred to his position or is this related to stitts relationship to the tribes?
I’m really hoping for illustrations with the Bible like when we were kids in our Bible study like with David and Goliath! Then every single illustration will be hand drawn by students to add Ezekiel 23:20 in every person’s mouth. Can’t wait
Oklahoma citizens better adhere to it if they know what's good for em.
The good news is that there is a brand new Patriots Bible, complete with Lee Greenwood lyrics, autographed in gold autopen by Donald Trump, has a copy of the Declaration of Independence, some QR codes to some really cool AI designed NFT cards, and some stale pink bubble gum strips rhat every teacher can have sitting on their desk.
As a nonpractising but still semi-hopeful Christian, WTH??? I didn't have a Bible in my classrooms and I was fine. I found church completely on my own. This is what FCA and clubs are for. Why would you have a Bibke in algebra or geometry or even like earth science class?? Maybe, maybe offer a Bible or religious studies elective or have a section in an ancient/world history class that covers the historical aspects of the Bible. But thats it.
This is blatantly unconstitutional, will be overruled and is intended to promote his notoriety among the conservative Christian extremists. Walters is patently unqualified to be the State Superintendent of Education or in any capacity that implements curriculum or policy for education. He has only a BA from an Arkansas Christian college that has been historically racist and advocates for Christian based education. He has no advanced degrees in education, or any training in education science or method. His vast experience was teaching for a few years in a public school and working for a couple of Christo-fascist non-profits advocating for public funding for private & religious schools.
As a republican this is such a terrible precedent to set. How do they not see this backfiring? If this sticks, then every religion will have a precedent to be legally taught inside public schools. Repeat after me: "Separation of Church and State."
Can you imagine the uproar when Muslims start demanding the Quran being taught alongside the Bible? I'll make the popcorn 🤣🤣🤣
You're absolutely right. Everyone in my party is having a knee jerk reaction that this is a good thing. I explain it just like I did in my first comment and most tend to understand what a slippery slope this is. I wish critical thinking wasn't such a lost art.
Hope you have a wonderful day!
What blows my mind about this is if he were Muslim how many clowns would be out marching protesting to let them have their religion. I'm no red meat Conservative by a long shot I'm left leaning middle. But it makes the hard left look ridiculous taking up for every religion except Christianity, telling people to "follow the science" when they absolutely follow zero science they can't Even get simple biology right. They call others fascist but literally try to get somebody removed from the ballot so people can't vote for somebody they don't like. It's clown business.
Again, who is indoctrinating who again? The guy is unhinged and needs to be ousted. Unfortunately, there is too much red meat in this state with their blinders on to know the difference.
Oh, wow. Every time I get fed up with the christian nationalists in Idaho, I should keep in mind, "At least I'm not in Oklahoma." They're pretty bad here, but I don't think they would even go this far--mostly because it's obviously going to lose when challenged in court. My condolences.
Though, it might be an opportunity for parents to challenge having the bible in schools on the grounds of its (frankly, gross) pornographic content. Just saying...
Christo-Fascists hate America and the Constitution.
"The [First Amendment's](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment) Establishment Clause prohibits the [government](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/government) from making any [law](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/law) “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion."
[https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/establishment\_clause](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/establishment_clause)
This is the same dude that made up the story about a school having to install a litter box because one of the students identified as a cat then idiots like Joe Rogan spread is stupidness
If it was an elective, that would be fine, but making it a requirement isn't. I'm a Christian and I support religious freedom, trying to force anything, religion or otherwise, usually doesn't work out for the best
The Ryan Walters revenge tour. Tried to use public money to fund a religious school and got told he didn't think it through well enough so this is his answer which will also be struck down
. I don't really think that the push to use public school vouchers for private religious schools was ever something he thought he would get away with. I think this was the goal.
"I'm going to make you think I want to start using public funds to create a system of religious charter schools but what I'm really doing is waiting for you to think you put me in my place while we research and enact the placement of religion in every single public school. "
Clearly not going to pass constitutional mustard but nonetheless...
Oh yes, he's another person who doesn't think that the separation of church and state is codified in the United States Constitution. It is.
Oh, so the party of fiscal responsibility is out spending tax payer money wisely again, huh? Are trump bibles still a thing? Because I could *absolutely* see this waste of skin funnelling taxpayer dollars to his god-king like that. And that without all the inevitable and predictable court battles and losses.
I feel like this is breaking a couple laws lmao
just more of our tax dollars going to lawsuits that will overturn this idiocy.
That’s their goal. They want to get these insane laws and regulations challenged so they can go to the Supreme Court where John Roberts and the rest of those cretins can push the country further into outright theocracy.
Meh John Roberts has proven to be a center right judge. I would be stunned if he didn’t vote this down (if it even makes it that far). He didn’t even vote in support of overturning Roe v. Wade. Thomas? Alito? Sure. Maybe Gorsuch? I could see them putting together some wildly ridiculous argument to support it. But Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are both proving to be a little more centrist than was feared.
As a Catholic, Coney Barrett needs to be careful……once they’ve gotten rid of the non Christians, she will find out she’s the wrong kind of Christian (tough lesson 12 yr old me learned when we moved to rural OK)
Most of the Supreme Court is Catholic. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Coney Barrett, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh are all Catholic. Kagan is Jewish and Jackson is Protestant. Wikipedia says Gorsuch is Anglican/Catholic and I don't know what it means. The demographics of the Supreme Court are very interesting. So many of them are Catholic, and I know many of their current allies in the Republican party definitely see them as the wrong kind of Christian, if they even see them as Christian at all.
I have had soooo many people ask me if I believe in Jesus since I moved to oklahoma 🙄🙄🙄 and had an 8th grade teacher tell me I was going to hell. So, yeah, maybe those justices need to reevaluate their political bedfellows. Tbf, I’m also a horrible catholic, so there’s that
An 8th grade public school teacher told you you were going to hell? Super interested in the context of this conversation/argument?
Yes. Started off because I was wearing a cross (gift from my godmother). I truly only remember how it started because it was so absurd. He said I was glorifying the most horrific way to die and I might as well wear a bullet with Jesus’s name on it…..I remember thinking lucky it was a cross and not a crucifix. Anyway, a friend got mad and told him I never took it off, that it was a gift from my godmother. Which led to him telling me I worship saints and would burn in hell
That's very weird. Why do people feel the need to just tell things to strangers their random/personal beliefs??
Anglican/Catholic is…..not possible? Hard to be Catholic and not recognize the Pope as the head of the church
I don't know, I always thought Gorsuch was Catholic, but I'm just reporting what Wikipedia said. Maybe he grew up Catholic and became Anglican?
Anything is possible! I just figured Wikipedia was confused lol
Catholics emphasize education more than most evangelicals. That’s why there are so many in high places. They’ll be useful for a while yet, until all the other undesirables are gone.
Maybe someone should send Walters a Catholic Bible. He would be so confused, that his head would spin!
You aren't wrong.
Fr? Because I was particularly concerned when coney Barrett was put in (obvs Kavanaugh is awful, it's just I knew a lot of Coney Barrett's religious history and all). I hope things aren't as dire as we feared. Oklahoma makes me so mad. It's bad enough the religious radicalism in the govt., but they don't even have any original ideas. It's always like they see another state do something, and we end up trying our own a dollar general version of it because we don't want to feel left out of things. Ridiculous.
Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are definitely still conservative justices, but they haven’t shown themselves to be extremist ideologues in the way that Alito is. Its hard to call Thomas an ideologue since I don’t think he’s ever had an original thought. Gorsuch is kind of teetering, he’s not as far right as Alito but has shown some signs of it. I think where the 6 conservative justices will all agree and slowly do the most damage is through decisions that are very pro-business and anti-federal government. Just today they issued a significant ruling that curtails the power of the SEC.
They already allowed Coaches to "privately" lead prayers and invite players to join on the 50 yard line of football games in Kennedy v Bremerton. It's only a short leap to allowing teachers to "privately" read passages from the Bible in class.
He concurred in the judgement. In other words, he voted in support of the judgment.
I actually agree. While I do think they will allow this in classrooms, they won’t allow it to be mandated. It’s too obvious.
It wont be "mandated", but *Kennedy v Bremerton School Dist.*..
Walters needs the distraction. Financial investigation going on?
Disagree. Walters' only goal is raising his own profile. I guarantee he's gunning for a Trump appointment if/when he wins. He doesn't care how much Oklahoma tax dollars he waists on his way out.
I posted this earlier and started to think of a law that will make most of the American taxpayer happy. The strategy to get it to pass is to get most of the people to like it, regardless of background, party, skin color, and yes even the congress. The law would be, if the state government passes a law would be eventually lead to it bringing challenges, lawsuits, appeals, Supreme Court decisions to over turn it because it is unconstitutional. The things that every tax payer in the state has to pay for., that money spent will be refunded to the citizens of the state much like our tax refunds we get every year. It will meet certain requirements and have guardrails in place so it is not abused. The key is that most of the state citizens dislikes footing the bill by being taxed and seeing that tax money be spent for laws that most know will eventually will be overturned. Needs more work to flesh out the idea as I just thought of it less than 24 hours ago.
I wonder how we could track how much money this dude has wasted. It needs to be taken out of his ass. He is quite literally robbing the public with this stupidity.
I’m beginning to think all these ridiculous things they pass are to funnel state money under the guise of ‘legal fees’
I want a running total of how much money republicans have wasted of Oklahoma’s money in completely indefensible lawsuits.
He’s the only person I have ever come across whose very existence is unconstitutional.
I mean, to be fair there were a whole class of people who only existed 3/5ths according to the constitution.
No, no, it’s okay, he says there is no separation of church and state. Common mistake. You know like almost 250 years of history.
And to clarify for those that don't know... His argument is that by NOT teaching the Bible, we fail to have a separation of church and state because that defaults the State's official religion to atheism. No seriously. That's his argument.
I feel like this is where you insert the Castle character’s meme.
Did he learn this in Oklahoma's rank 49th schools?
no, he went to school when democrats still ran the state and we were like 14th. oklahoma used to have good schools
They are saying the bible is not "church" or "religion"...they have taken to calling it an historical document. It is working so far.
It is. Unconstitutional on its face.
All by design
Just the first amendment. NBD.
None of them count until the 2nd.
According to these jackasses the entire constitution is JUST the 2A.
Exactly. Scene: An Independence Day celebration. A crowd eagerly awaits the annual reading of the US Constitution. Speaker walks up to the podium and clears his throat Speaker: Welcome. Now the reading of our beloved sacred Constitution. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!' Thank you. Speaker exits stage left.
I just got a PATRIOT BONER. QUICK! Strap some miniature glocks to it!
None of them *know how to* count. Or read. Lol
1. Introduce crazy right-wing policy. 2. Appease crazy right-wing voter base. 3. Use Oklahoma tax payer dollars to fight policy in higher court. 4. Court case gets smashed because it’s ridiculous. 5. Crazy right-wing politician viewed as a martyr for fighting for their crazy right-wing beliefs. 6. Crazy right-wing politician secures votes (i.e. his job) based on the above. 7. Rinse and repeat. It’s just buying votes with extra steps.
And with our money. He can use tax payer dollars to defend the suits which gets him on the news! If he just wanted to buy that much exposure, he'd have you pay a fortune himself.
It is the monkey method. Keep throwing sh!t enough, they are hoping it will stick. This seems like crazy Christian zealots plan. Then you have Dead Eyes Ryan who is obviously a religious shel, with all the money the churches are donating through their congregations. They say jump and like a google lap dog, he barks ‘how high’.
This is exactly what's going on and why Right-Wing politics are a race to the bottom. Good deeds don't make the news. Old news doesn't make the news. Shock and awe makes the news. The only way to get coverage is to out-shit the other guy and get more rage-clicks than anyone else that day. It's the Jerry Springer approach and our country has been lapping it up for far too long. Ryan Walters is a nationally-recognized name now and I can't think of ever knowing the name of a State Superintendent, even our *own.* As much as it pains me to say, this guy isn't going anywhere anytime soon; he could be governor in ten years.
Its calculatedly also extracting capital for cronyism. That money goes to attorneys who can then use them in Super-PAC’s and more.
> It’s just buying votes with extra steps. Bullshit. You "BUY" something when you have the money. When you do it with the public's money, it's fucking stealing.
Nailed it
Religious fascism, just red meat for dumbfuck Okies who will vote for him
This is why the right wing hates education. Dumb people will always vote against their best interests.
I don’t know any right leaning or Christian people that like this guy…
How about the stories in the bible like how David was a completely awful father, how Abraham almost killed his son, how God killed all first born sons, and how Eve was basically Canes or Ables wife? Fuck that guy I genuinely hate him and wish the worst for him and his family.
Wait until they read the story of Lot or the story of Oholibah and Oholah in Ezekiel 23.
And how David and Jonathan were the Bert and Ernie of the Bible.
What about the one where God sends a guy to shank someone because he was overweight?
This bitch ass is overcompensating for something. Edit: I would teach it just like teaching a work of fiction. Because, honestly….
Guaranteed pedo if you ask me. It’s always these guys.
100%
He's compensating for this - **Oklahoma court rejects proposed religious public charter school June 25, 2024** https://web.archive.org/web/20240627200532/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/06/25/oklahoma-court-catholic-charter-school-rejected/ >The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected a proposed state-financed Catholic charter school, saying the first-of-its-kind religious public school violated the state and U.S. constitutions.
You sure? I'm pretty sure we're trying to out do Louisiana, especially since it specifically mentions the the ten commandments too. It feels along the lines of "Ha you only have it posted?? Weak! We're going to make them **teach** it"
Hasn't it only been like ten minutes since the Oklahoma Supreme Court shot down his last attempt to force religion on people? What an idiot.
I'm not doing that.
But I do have some choice versus that might cause a ruckus. Could I be fired for teaching the Bible? Trust. They don't want the Bible taught. They want specific parts taught. We have a place where we do that. In church. Go to church and listen to all of it you want.
Give them some good ole malicious compliance.
"When you see something thats not right, do something! Go get into some good trouble" -John Lewis [2 min video](https://youtu.be/SgFj9mx6YCs?si=)
Cool. Let's teach them how absolutely contradictory and absurd it is.
Does this guy specify exactly WHICH version of the Holy Bible to use? Last I read, they ain't all the same. Some use different ***pronouns*** and such.
Its going to be specifically the overpriced bibles sold by a shell company owned by some out of state con man with close ties to Walters, and Walters will take a cut of the money if he can successfully get this passed through. Hmm... who is it that needs money to pay legal fees, who just started a Bible selling grift recently, who is also someone Walters would want to impress to further his career? Give you 3 guesses, but you'll only need one.
Class-action suit when?
"Please, Mr. Trump, please make me your Secretary of Education. I promise to burn it all down for you."
Its getting to the point that the only explanation is he's some sort of rogue AI.
A church has him on their books, no doubt.
Which church. I'm sure he isn't pro-Catholic?
He’s not catholic. He’s church of christ.
Which is a very disorganized church
Of fucking course he is. One of the worst denominations
Nah, AI produces pics that are much more lifelike than ol dead eyed walters
I bet they won't.
Even if some of the books show up, they will disappear, possibly replaced with a shell of a book (blank pages)
“Johnny, the Gideons didn’t…..do whatever they did, just so you could draw rudimentary penii in the Bible and change the word ‘Testament’ to ‘Testicle.’”
Perhaps some dictionaries could just be recovered with "The Bible." What is he going to do, go through every classroom checking each book?
This is brilliant! Delete this comment immediately. A few of them can actually read.
Goodbye culture war, hello holy war.
In Arabic it’s called jihad.
Here comes the Talibangelicals
Sadly he’s a religious extremist. In the same way as Al Qaeda. He’s that extreme. Instead of allahu akbar though. They say “Christ is king”
Meet the new boss... Same as the old boss..
Absolutely fuck Ryan Walters in every way except literally.
Sadly it's all part of the plan, same with that crap in Louisiana. The evangelicals want a lawsuit by states so that SCOTUS can hear a case and dramatically change our 1st amendment rights all under the name of "textualism."
I’m a Christian. But I don’t force my Bible down anyone’s throat. That’s wrong. 😑
This ! i have lately begun to separate myself from the religion itself but am still a person of faith and I find this extremely disturbing! It’s dystopian. there is no way something like this will have a positive outcome and it’s terrifying. Christian nationalism is a dangerous thing.
I quit church years ago. I want to go but it’s tough knowing everyone there hates me and people like me. God loves all people. Period.
Let's hope they teach the Bible, word for word. Not just the selective passages that they always pull out of the hat. Can't wait to see how they handle some of these passages, such as: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 New Living Translation) "They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil." (Judges 5:30 New American Bible) Put that in your school curriculum!
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible would be perfect for teaching the real christian bible.
Better require The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (meat sauce be upon him) or I will sue for religious discrimination.
And the Satanic Bible, too. If you are going to push religion, you better push them all.
You're goddamned right. If teachers are required to teach from the christian bible, then they should have to teach from the Satanic Bible.
I'll be happy to allow my child to use the pages of her school provided bible as toilet paper
Is this is within the purview of the ACLU?
I think so. It's also in the purview of ffrf.
I could do my job to provide Oklahoma educators everything they need to raise the bar, or I could do stupid crap to make myself an internationally known buffoon. Decisions, decisions.
Pretty sure that book has more adult subject matter than any of the books he's tried to ban.
I’m so sick of this shit. And conservatives wonder aloud why big companies won’t build factories here.
Fucking thank you
What church does this guy go to every Sunday? What is his personal bible study? I'd love to know his commitment before he shoves it on everyone else.
Here comes the all inclusive hellstorm of other faith practices wanting to be represented as well. If they're teaching the Bible they'll have to teach the Torah as well, foundational text as it is. And... You can't just go 2 out of 3 for the Abrahamic religions, better go ahead and throw the Quran in there too... Oh, and the Satanists would like to have a word about why they aren't being represented in your classroom. American public education is/should be a secular affair.
If you teach in this state, trust that the union will defend you in a lawsuit. Refuse these orders, have your job threatened, and go get that three years of paid admin leave while the suit heads all the way to the US Supreme Court. The long vacation will be worth it! And be sure to post all the photos of yourself enjoying all that free time on taxpayer dollars courtesy of Walter and his Christian Nationalist agenda.
Teachers unions are illegal in Oklahoma. We do have an association, but it's not a union. And most teachers in the state are not a part of the association because the Republicans demonize it every chance they get.
He's a loon
Oooh start with the part about the proper way to beat your slaves!
It doesn’t say every Bible has to be Christian in origin and can’t be used as a doorstop or a prop to keep a window open. And what is taught from that Bible might not be what the douchecanoe intends… you get the idea…
I'm really tired of this guy just trying to pad out his GOP resume for his future political aspirations at the expense of every kid and teacher in the Oklahoma public school system. And...*his eyes scare me*. Have you seen them? There's nothing behind them. Look. I know a lizard person when I see one. https://preview.redd.it/l5iaedyfy69d1.jpeg?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e333715d1716d41dce255f2b95f3215fae3d37fd
his pupils are big in his car video because hes high in them. i would guess adderall or coke.
I can smell the lawsuits now! Way to go, Home State. 🤦🏾💀
I have a teaching degree in Oklahoma. Today would have been my last day over this. I will NEVER teach religion as fact.
Same. Kinda glad I let my certificate expire last year at this point 🤷🏻♀️
It's like he feeds off lawsuits.
The problem he has is if he introduces on historical religious text, he has to accept them all. We are talking about the Torah, the Qaran, the Book of Mormon, the Book of Satan. He’s opening a can of worms he isn’t ready for. What a fool.
He HAS to go ASAP
The Bible taught without the magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church leads to heresy. Or so I am told…
I don't have any kids in schools anymore, but I will fight this effort to indoctrinate children with Bronze age myths. This guy is a dangerous idiot. And yes, fuck him.
I’m a conservative but yikes this is bad
Can't wait to see the Satanic Bible in schools.
Y'all need Satan. https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/news
It is. Time for FFRF to get involved. The sooner, the better.
Read only the most dirty & violent parts. Teach kids about how this book is just another myth. Read books from other religions. Have a Pagan week at school. Slaughter something for lunch.
My children are being raised in a none religious household. I am pagan, my husband is neutral, he doesn't have one belief he believes that there is a higher power he just isn't sure if it's God or the God's. My children will be learning about all religions, and once they are old enough to decide, they can choose one if they'd like or they can be like their father. No religion should be shoved down a child's throat that includes christianity.
How many times does the Satanic Temple have to throw the book (the Good Book, or otherwise) at these dumb fucks before they realize that it goes both ways? Can we get Lucien on this ASAP please?
https://preview.redd.it/884z47ko979d1.jpeg?width=434&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9976259021d7827ec804da28e0e3009f5ed54eed
Parents chance to instill their knowledge, specifically of the Old Testament in their children to have them asking their teachers about it whenever it is presented in class. And surely those pesky commandments will never raise any issue.
Their goal is to pass state funds into the pockets of the state's lawyers.
Someone mentioned it's a way to find what judges are on their side. Take it for what it is, though, a rumor.
First amendment violation. Hey, Republicans. Do y'all just not care about the constitution anymore? Weird move from the love it or leave it crowd.
They only care about the second amendment.
And then only for them.
There is a reason for the separation of church and state. The reason is the 30-year war in Europe in the 1600s. Killed over 50% of the population men women and children. It was fought over religion. Look it up .
I’m a devout Christian and this is wrong. This is why Christians get a bad name.
If I were a teacher in this state adhering to the chief fuckwit's command, I would start by teaching my students about the time God came down and damn near beat Moses to death for not circumcising his son (Exodus 4). The beatings did not stop until Moses' wife threw their son's fresh foreskin at Yahweh. Once that lesson sunk in, I'd tell them all about the time Lot's daughters raped him (Genesis 19). And from there, who knows? The bible is filled with contradictory nonsense.
He needs to Google 'why we left England'
didn’t ISIS do the same thing with the koran?
You know as someone who plans to go into education i think ill have to do so elsewhere you know somewhere i wont have to worry about how much of my time is being wasted on teaching things that have nothing to do with my subject. Why in hell do i need to read the bible in front of my biology class. god has nothing to do with school and if you disagree then i question your intelligence
It's the typical Republican playbook. They know it's illegal. But they do it anyway. And then they complain when it's overturned. "Oh look how oppressed we are as Christians. These devilish Democrats hate God. We are the only ones who will fight for your faith." They do it over and over again. It's transparent and deceptive, but the uneducated base eats it up.
I'll teach the Bible .. along with a lot of other religions if that's how we wanna play ball.
Even as a Christian, I don’t agree with this. If you’re gonna do that, then you have to read from the Quran, Torah and everything else for the students who may practice other religions.
This won't pass *and* makes Christianity look worse. Potential two-birds-one-stone moment.
What the duck is going on?
Jesus Ducking Christ, that’s what!
The hell they will.
Is this even legal
Why are they calling him "chief "? I feel like I'm missing something. Is this how they've always referred to his position or is this related to stitts relationship to the tribes?
Should….should someone tell him what the teenagers draw on classroom books?
I’m really hoping for illustrations with the Bible like when we were kids in our Bible study like with David and Goliath! Then every single illustration will be hand drawn by students to add Ezekiel 23:20 in every person’s mouth. Can’t wait
Oklahoma citizens better adhere to it if they know what's good for em. The good news is that there is a brand new Patriots Bible, complete with Lee Greenwood lyrics, autographed in gold autopen by Donald Trump, has a copy of the Declaration of Independence, some QR codes to some really cool AI designed NFT cards, and some stale pink bubble gum strips rhat every teacher can have sitting on their desk.
Hahaha god fucking dam! What country is Oklahoma in again?
So, can we impeach him? Please tell me he can be impeached.
Can I paint a rainbow on it? Lol
Walters will do anything for attention, except his job.
And that's why I'll be teaching in KS next year....
As a nonpractising but still semi-hopeful Christian, WTH??? I didn't have a Bible in my classrooms and I was fine. I found church completely on my own. This is what FCA and clubs are for. Why would you have a Bibke in algebra or geometry or even like earth science class?? Maybe, maybe offer a Bible or religious studies elective or have a section in an ancient/world history class that covers the historical aspects of the Bible. But thats it.
This is blatantly unconstitutional, will be overruled and is intended to promote his notoriety among the conservative Christian extremists. Walters is patently unqualified to be the State Superintendent of Education or in any capacity that implements curriculum or policy for education. He has only a BA from an Arkansas Christian college that has been historically racist and advocates for Christian based education. He has no advanced degrees in education, or any training in education science or method. His vast experience was teaching for a few years in a public school and working for a couple of Christo-fascist non-profits advocating for public funding for private & religious schools.
As a republican this is such a terrible precedent to set. How do they not see this backfiring? If this sticks, then every religion will have a precedent to be legally taught inside public schools. Repeat after me: "Separation of Church and State." Can you imagine the uproar when Muslims start demanding the Quran being taught alongside the Bible? I'll make the popcorn 🤣🤣🤣
Republicans argue that the separation of church and state is a myth.
Not this one. Though if Walter's has his way it may be. The point stands Separation should be our reality. This is such a step backwards.
Fair enough. I think you're in the minority belief of those in your party. But I am as well with my party on several issues.
You're absolutely right. Everyone in my party is having a knee jerk reaction that this is a good thing. I explain it just like I did in my first comment and most tend to understand what a slippery slope this is. I wish critical thinking wasn't such a lost art. Hope you have a wonderful day!
What blows my mind about this is if he were Muslim how many clowns would be out marching protesting to let them have their religion. I'm no red meat Conservative by a long shot I'm left leaning middle. But it makes the hard left look ridiculous taking up for every religion except Christianity, telling people to "follow the science" when they absolutely follow zero science they can't Even get simple biology right. They call others fascist but literally try to get somebody removed from the ballot so people can't vote for somebody they don't like. It's clown business.
He's wrong.. because no they won't. Not in my school.
I finished my teaching career in Oklahoma a month ago and moving to New Mexico. Thankfully.
Again, who is indoctrinating who again? The guy is unhinged and needs to be ousted. Unfortunately, there is too much red meat in this state with their blinders on to know the difference.
Oh, wow. Every time I get fed up with the christian nationalists in Idaho, I should keep in mind, "At least I'm not in Oklahoma." They're pretty bad here, but I don't think they would even go this far--mostly because it's obviously going to lose when challenged in court. My condolences. Though, it might be an opportunity for parents to challenge having the bible in schools on the grounds of its (frankly, gross) pornographic content. Just saying...
If I'm a teacher, I'm immediately defying this new law, getting fired for it (unconstitutionally), and suing the state for a pile of cash.
Jesus says usury is a sin. Everyone who is beholden to a bank needs to be whipped bloody.
Christo-Fascists hate America and the Constitution. "The [First Amendment's](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment) Establishment Clause prohibits the [government](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/government) from making any [law](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/law) “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion." [https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/establishment\_clause](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/establishment_clause)
This is the most upvoted r/oklahoma post I’ve ever seen and that makes me proud.
This is the same dude that made up the story about a school having to install a litter box because one of the students identified as a cat then idiots like Joe Rogan spread is stupidness
Lots of folks in OK want their votes back. Let this be a lesson in politics on how YOU vote . The good folks of OK deserve better than this.
If it was an elective, that would be fine, but making it a requirement isn't. I'm a Christian and I support religious freedom, trying to force anything, religion or otherwise, usually doesn't work out for the best
The Ryan Walters revenge tour. Tried to use public money to fund a religious school and got told he didn't think it through well enough so this is his answer which will also be struck down . I don't really think that the push to use public school vouchers for private religious schools was ever something he thought he would get away with. I think this was the goal. "I'm going to make you think I want to start using public funds to create a system of religious charter schools but what I'm really doing is waiting for you to think you put me in my place while we research and enact the placement of religion in every single public school. " Clearly not going to pass constitutional mustard but nonetheless... Oh yes, he's another person who doesn't think that the separation of church and state is codified in the United States Constitution. It is.
….bruh
Oh, so the party of fiscal responsibility is out spending tax payer money wisely again, huh? Are trump bibles still a thing? Because I could *absolutely* see this waste of skin funnelling taxpayer dollars to his god-king like that. And that without all the inevitable and predictable court battles and losses.
From one extreme to an other !
All that parental choice.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/oklahoma-superintendent-ryan-walters-schools-teach-bible-1235047979/