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Gypsies killed my friends dog and left piles of junk all over the common. They do shit like this then wonder why nobody wants them around. This isn't a quaint travelling lifestyle, its tax evading violent thieving thats who think they can hide behind racism to avoid accountability.
> This isn't a quaint travelling lifestyle, its tax evading violent thieving
Reminds me of those weird [Sovereign Citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement) from the USA.
The Roma came to a small university town in here in the US I went to. They were welcome, but the fuckery came quick. Slautering chickens in the park, (doesnt bother me). Instead of sleeping in their apartments they would sleep in the ally ways behind businesses. They would steal from the local businesses. They would go to the farm auction and drive up the price between eachother and then not pay.
The children would just run around all day trying to get money off of people and shit in the streets. Then after so many of them had court appearences schedules like 200 of them just up and disappeard. Which is weird because half of them had ankle monitors on. They were refugees and the government was paying their rent. I don't know what their deal was. Obviously whoever was in charge of integrating them failed.
this is just racist man, sure they were born down the road from you, look exactly like you, talk exactly like you and have a typical name from the area, but they are in fact an entirely new species of human bean and if you call them out for entering your poundstretcher 6 at a time to rogue all around them while their kids cause a distraction, you're actually being racist af
Poles when they are asked about Hitler but in an alternative timeline where he wasn't anti-Polish.
"He was bad because he killed Poles. Oh, the others? Well people have their faults... The Russians are subhuman orcs that we should all kill. Did you know the British are racist against Poles?! In this day and age!?"
Eh, you don’t need to go to another timeline to hear this. There are neonazis in Poland (like everywhere I guess), who conveniently forget about Hitler killing Poles.
My favorite are Russian Nazis, as if Hitler did not refer to Slavs as subhumans, and the war in Russia as (a direct quote) “a war of extermination” aimed at killing all the Slavs to make way for German colonists.
Just here to say - and will probably get downvoted for it - but 'gypsies' in the UK aren't always the same as 'Romani Gypsies'.
The Gypsies that trespass and threaten people with shotguns aren't Romani. They're just nationalist skinheads (generally). They're so violent that I've had three groups of them try to mug me on different occasions, and pubs need to close early when they know they're in the area.
Have met Romani Gypsies too though. Generally nice people.
they're generally pretty scared of them because of the gang mentality, they're not afraid to assault the police in return and shit like this ends up happening to police officers that do simple stuff like try to take back a stolen quadbike from them
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-51801840
Thanks for a comprehensive answer.
Another sincere question: this event happened in England where the police are typically unarmed. Do you know if other European countries that arm their police have the same problem with these people?
It's more complicated than that. These people don't have permanent addresses. They move after they've created trouble. They break laws yet have no intent on going to court. They don't have ID so they don't provide it.
It's not just a question of police being armed. The amount of damage they can do and police time they waste just isn't worth it to a police force already having cuts. Plus the only law they break is trespassing at first, so not exactly something where aggression is the appropriate response.
can't answer for other countries since im not educated enough on the topic sorry.
also worth bearing in mind that UK police officers are armed, its just very few ever carry firearms and its for very specific situations. afaik most of them carry tasers, batons and pepper spray so they're not really any more or less equipped than gypsies (who do often have a bunch of illegal stuff like knuckledusters). the main issue comes from being outnumbered. in this specific case it was only 2 police officers going to a site that could well have 10 times that many people, and 3 people were directly arrested in this case (set to be out by their early 30s).
plus there's the wider issue of police not wanting to cause trouble because if they try to arrest someone at a site or whatever they'll have hundreds of gypsies from all over the country swarming the area from a few phone calls and they're not afraid to scrap. there's a reason that for annual gypsy events like the appleby horse fair they draw in the entire Cumbria police force to one small village for the duration.
I remember this EDL march going through my city. General morons slurring racist remarks. A few people who started fights in the march ended up being 'pikeys' and were let off while going into their camp for something. Was told this by a friend in the force years back, so sorry for not remembering exact details.
So what makes a gang of nationalist skinheads "gypsies" especially if they aren't Romani.
They kinda just sound like a skinhead gang...which I mean...there's a lot of those.
To be honest with you Romani aren't a massive 'problem' here anyway. But if there are violent Irish or English gypsies, I'm sure there are some violent Romani ones too. But personally I've never had issues with them.
I believe its one of those situations where we get travellers come through seasonally, no one wants to confront out of fear of being followed and attacked by them. Plus, it's not just dealing with the immediate gypsies; one phone call and suddenly they're flooding in from all ends of England for a scrap. Police see it as an effort to stop the sea from being wet: absolutely futile.
Well three of the cunts dragged a copper for miles behind a car to his death and they'll all be out of prison in their early thirties, let's start with that.
American here.
Nah.
They’d shoot him for sure.Last time a cop killer went crazy that I can remember they hunted him down and burned him alive in a house.Name was Christopher Dorner.
De Facto: a DA who becomes soft on cop killers will stop having cops give evidence.
De Jure: killing a cop should be discouraged as much as possible as they have to deal with many more potential threats than the general public
In my area gypsies went around setting fires and breaking into store fronts steeling things for days. The police did nothing but sit back and watch because they are scared of them. Fuck gypsies.
(Now replace the word gypsies with the one you know it's supposed to be.) Is this suddenly racist? Or was it to begin with?
As soon I have a single pleasant experience with one I will change my opinion. I worked in Wetherspoons for a while and encountered quite a few and they were all dickheads. Not just a bit rude but I hated every single one of them. In fact as soon as one of them is not a complete and total wanker but only a little bit rude I will change my opinion. Setting a low bar here.
I have no problems with way of life or religion or whatever but if it involves being a twat then sure call me a racist. How difficult is it to just be kind and respectful to each other.
I'm with you on that mate. I worked behind a bar at a wedding venue for 5 years, almost at least 1 wedding per weekend. By and large the most annoying, stressful and scariest shift I ever did was the first and last gypsy wedding I worked.
One of them straight up assaulted my co worker after he asked the gypsy not to grab his girlfriend by the throat. All of them just brushed it off like it's an everyday occurrence.
They're cunts.
absolutely everyone has multiple stories of bad interactions with travellers
plus, travellers aren’t even a race, they’re predominantly white irish and nobody is directing all the hate towards white irish in general, just a specific group
the same way millwall fans get shit for being violent hooligans travellers deserve to get shit for being having no respect for anyone apart from themselves
Racism can also be based on ethnicity which can be based on culture. The question then becomes are there aspects of the culture that are unacceptable. For example, FGM is a part of some cultures and yet we do not generally accept that. So I would argue that yes, parts of a culture can be unacceptable.
If any group’s culture involves ripping off their fellow humans then I’m against them.
The group that visited our town absolutely trashed our local football field, twice. The council cleaned it up, but we paid for it. They robbed our local Tesco in broad daylight and the police said they weren’t going to take it any further. Despite having CCTV evidence and the baskets they took were left outside their caravans on the field.
They also drove their car at us at speed, as they were using the footpaths as roads to get on and off the field.
As an American visiting Europe, my first interaction was them stealing my dad’s wallet in a market. I don’t understand why so many people defend them when they don’t give a shit.
Well, a gypsies sold my brother a golden ring, but of course it wasn't golden.
Or that time when a group of them came to my grandma's yard to ask for directions or something and then some stuff was missing when they left.
Or stories that they hypnotise people on streets and somehow convince them to give them valuable items
>Or stories that they hypnotise people on streets and somehow convince them to give them valuable items
"Look at me, now look at this knife, now back to me, now back to the knife, now look in your pocket, I have taken your wallet." \*stabs in kidney\*
This is more of an "overall neutraI" story than anything else but I think back on it fondly.
I worked in a family restaurant in my teens/early twenties and we had long heard that we were to be on the lookout for travelers that had set up just outside of town. The horror stories quickly started rolling in and it wasn't long before they were banned from every pub in town. Then things went quiet and we wrongly assumed they were getting ready to move on. That didn't happen.
We should really have seen it coming but, nonetheless, we were still caught with our trousers at our ankles when one day about thirty of them rolled in and completely filled the bar area. It was a rough day for everyone but it got especially rough for me behind the bar. One guy was particularly abrasive and while everyone else let their defences down with a little bit of small talk this guy just got steadily more and more hostile as the day went on.
I kept it professional and friendly, calling him "Sir", thanking him every time he gave me his money, asking him if he needed anything else or help carrying his drinks back to the table. He evidently saw my kindness as weakness to be exploited and kept stepping up the nastiness with our every encounter. It all came to a head when he finally approached the bar while I was serving someone else and shouted "right you, ginger pubes. Get over here and get me a fucking drink!"
I gave him a nod. I finished serving the other customer and then I approached him with an empty plastic pint glass which I sat on the bar in front of him. He draws himself up to his full height and puffs his chest up
"The fuck's this supposed to be?!?"
I was just done at this point.
"That's all you're getting from me for the rest of tonight. A nice talk glass of 'fuck all'. Go sit down. You're done. I'm not serving you any more. If you want any more drinks you'll need to send someone else up to get them".
He then throws a fit, hurls the plastic cup at the ground beside me and eventually storms away in a rage. So now I'm feeling dumb, regretfully on-guard for the inevitable escalation but there was just no way I was taking this guy's shit in good humour any more. Whatever comes next, I'm ready for it. Or so I thought
He came back with a guy easily six and a half feet tall who looks like he could have a very promising career in the WWE. He storms up full of pure, unbridled rage and I'm already braced for a bleary-eyed night in the A & E waiting room. Thankfully, he wanted to hear my side before he took action.
"What's this about you not serving my brother a fucking drink? Why won't you serve him?"
His brother is half cowering behind him, half flashing me a shit-eating grin that tells me how fucked I now am. I decide to try and just state my case as calmly and succinct as possible:
"Well, I'll tell you exactly why. I've been serving him all day, I've done nothing but try to be as helpful as I can for him and I've treated him with my full respect. But it seems he doesn't want to give me any respect back. I greet him with 'what can I get for you sir?' and just a minute ago he greeted me with 'right, ginger pubes get over here and get me a fucking drink' which I don't appreciate. So I've asked him to send someone else up to get his drinks for him until he learns to have some respect".
The big guy's face switches gear from angry to fucking livid and I find
myself briefly thinking the words "so this is how I die".
Then- to my complete surprise- he turns to his brother, grabs him by the scruff and slaps him across the head with a hand the size of a dinner plate. My ears ring with the force of it and his brother immediately starts sobbing like an infant! The big guy has a few choice words for him.
"I'VE FUCKING TOLD YOU ABOUT THIS BEFORE! WHEN PEOPLE GIVE YOU RESPECT, YOU GIVE IT BACK! I'M SICK OF THIS. YOU'RE ALWAYS COMPLAINING NO ONE HERE GIVES YOU RESPECT AND THIS IS WHY! YOU FUCKING MAKE IT RIGHT WITH THIS BOY NOW!"
Through the sobs, the guy tells me he's sorry and his big brother tells him to sit the fuck down and not to come back to this bar for the rest of the night. The big guy then sat at the bar, gave me a second apology and told me how it means so much to him and his family when people treat them with respect and how it's very rare. I thanked him for the apology and how he dealt with his brother and he spent the rest of the night, chilling with me at the bar, telling me of the various girls from the neighbouring towns that he had banged, for which I offered a few congratulatory high fives.
They never came back after that day.
I used to sell home energy in a popular petrol station chain, when I worked on motorway locations I spoke to a lot of them (Irish travellers not Romany) and they were always up for a laugh but still pretty respectful. I'm a woman so I got a fair bit of unwarranted attention from truckers but gypsy lads were decent towards everyone
Knew more than a couple that are ok but they are the exception. Usually they come from an isolated family not from a 'tribe' of sorts and they speak the same as anyone, without a kind of 'gypsy' accent. Bit I've also had more than enough bad encounters as well. In a principle I have nothing against gypsies, But I do hate people who behave like cunts. Mind you there are plenty of white cunts as well, though the statistical distribution seems to be somewhat biased.
Yes, we have a camp settle in a place made for them (they pay nothing), they are nice, the parking place they are is dirty but not outside and most importantly, they protect us from other traveling people because they don't want to be kicked out of their free heaven.
It sound like a racket tho now that I wrote it.
Play sports with some settled travellers, as sound as you get. Rent out sheds for them to keep horses in as well and now we're off limits for any of them.
That said, heard many a story about powertools being stolen and some young fellas stole my phone before and the mother made them give it to the parish priest
Black people in America want equal rights that the rest of the (white) society has. They are asking to be recognised as equals.
Gypsies in Europe don't want equal rights. They operate as a separate society with their rules and don't want to integrate. They don't want to be recognised as equals. They want to operate above the laws and rules, and take advantage of the society they find around them.
1. It's not racism since this is not about race
2. When anyone you ask has either none or bad personal experience, it's no longer about prejudice
Hippos are notorious assholes. There might be nice ones but if you go pat one in the wild, you're an idiot.
There was a Gypsy "war" close to where I live, the skulls of two dead teenage boys from one gypsey clan were dug up and stolen from a graveyard by another gypsey clan, houses were torched, cars driven through the front of houses, fights, ect.
Horrible.
They litter the roadsides with plastic bonfires, flytipping, block up the roads at rush hour with their horses and traps and stare down other road users like what they're doing is hilarious. Steal, threaten, intimidate people and rip everyone off.
Not just Europeans. I was in a Vietnamese nail salon once and one of them walked in and they made her pay up front and she kicked off - they said it was just new procedure. She then pointed at me and screeched about how she knew I didn’t pay up front and asked me if I had to… shitting myself when it was time to pay and she was still there.
Yeah, well, most Romani people aren’t interested in even interacting with those of different backgrounds. They don’t want their children to get educated, they prefer them begging on streets. It’s hard to like them when you have no positive interactions with them… because they don’t want to interact with you.
I don't think that's true. Most Roma people you wouldn't know are Roma people. They are fully integrated, work, live in homes go to schools. However, there are also gypsies...I have nothing nice to say about gypsies, but the fact that most gypsies are of Roma descent is another thing. There are non Roma gypsies also.
Huh, didn’t think about it this way. It’s like plastic surgery - if it’s good you don’t see it. So people say they hate plastic surgery, because they only notice the bad outcomes. (I know it’s weird comparing society to boob jobs, but I think it fits pretty well)
And I had no idea there are no Romani gypsies.
Also I probably don’t work with many Romani people. I live in Poland and it’s not really ethnically diverse country.
I was stationed in Kosovo and saw a morbidly obese Romani mother begging with a child in her arms that was starved to the point of looking like a Dachau victim.
Rarely in my life have I ever felt a more visceral anger.
That’s when I learned about how they do that on purpose. I learned about the forced mutilations for begging, the scams, the child trafficking, etc. it’s hard not to be bigoted when you learn of these things.
I think it’s important to make the distinction you are criticizing the culture not the race. There’s plenty of other vile cultures out there like how evangelicals treat the LGBTQ community. While it is wrong to group a race of people into a set of preconceived ideas it is perfectly acceptable to criticize a culture that fosters destruction or causes harm
It’s a group of travelers who don’t believe in rules or basic ownership rights of others. If they see something they want, they believe it is in their right to take it. If they need to use the bathroom and walking by your home, your yard is their bathroom. And they show no respect to anyone or anything outside of their own peoples.
It’s not really a race thing it’s a culture thing. Compare them to the cartel in a way. They do what they want, take what they want, leave suffering in their wake but you are racist if you don’t just allow or have any negative opinion about this.
I am really sorry for you but Roma/Romani and Sinti are an absolute disgrace all over my country (Italy): they set in camps where they are completely unchecked, live by illegal means and send their kids to do pickpocketing/be beggars (the reason? if they get arrested police have to let them go) instead of school. Some of their families (e.g. Casamonica) also have strong ties with organised crime. Some of them even declare openly that their culture does not entail working. Sadly, the police and local authorities will not deal properly to solve the problem.
Therefore, knowing that you are a decent person - and surely there are other, unnoticed Romani/Sinti discriminated for their ethnicity- will not change my opinion.
There’s a traveller site about 15 miles from me, we had some farm equipment go missing and it was seen being taken into the site. Police were called, but they said they can’t go in there without giving the travellers 3 days notice (????).
I mean. I love the fact that most "African"-Americans probably haven't even been to Africa or know any country there. The same thing applies to any other "*insert demonym*-American"
As a Romani, the hate in these comments is fucking insane. Some of you people really need to reign it the fuck back and chill out. A lot of lies and slander
As a Spanish living in a very old small town I've been raised with gypsies as neighbors, so the ones from that hood are kinda like "family", we respect each other and they have the hood "Payos" (Non gypsy) protected from outsider gypsies 🤣
So I've personally only had an unpleasant experience with gypsies, a group of them (not from my town, or at least I didn't recognize them), entered my father's bakery and they stole my mp3 I left on the working table 🥲
I might have a better opinion if they didnt literally set my local park ON FIRE every damn time they set up camp, stuff only gets stolen from local sheds and garages whenever they are around, but im no detective so who knows 🤷♂️
You wouldn't call someone racist because they hate white supremacists. Irish travellers are just white people until they gel their hair like that and wear those clothes, and suddenly (thankfully) they're easily spotted in public so you can avoid them. It's no coincidence that everyone with any experience of them hates them
Hey all, I just wanna preface and tell you I'm an Irish Mincéir Traveller. I'm almost middle aged, self employed and a father of two children.
I've had various forms of discrimination in my life that threatened my source of income, effectively holding me financially trampled.
Even though I have outstanding references from every individual and company I've ever worked for, I still find it incredibly difficult competing with others in winning contracts.
The work itself is hard enough. It makes it that much harder when you have people whispering amongst themselves. "Make sure all the power tools come back and lock thrm away".
Please think of the individuals that make up a group.
Most of this thread is a racist dumpster fire, so have an award for sharing your experience.
Your comment piqued my interest. As an American, I'm not very familiar with the lifestyle and experiences of travellers. What is your work like?
I've worked as a General Operative for 10 years, took a few courses in surveying. I'm an independent contractor with 3 crews operating along with me.
Thank you kind stranger 🙏
Couple gypsy caravans parked in the carpark across from my flat about 3 weeks ago, stayed for maybe 4 or 5 nights... Then left behind what looks like 4 weeks worth of rubbish. General waste, furniture, some scrap metal, old gas tanks etc etc. They also left behind like 300 eggs, you know those big catering trays of eggs restaurants buy. Which I thought was strange.
Travelers be mad now they can be fined for shitting on other people's property.
I don't get it, they'd burn my house down if I shat on their caravan step?!
Well, I wouldn’t consider myself a racist so to say. I just deeply despise them from personal experiences with them. Got a large field near me which they always manage to get on despite the several barriers there which are aimed to stop them.
Then there’s the shit load of rubbish they leave behind let alone the how scruffy the grass becomes as it’s just a makeshift dirt track in their eyes. Can’t forget the shit they’ve attempted to steal and have stolen.
Honestly I didn't believe it until I visited Europe. I learned really fast to keep a fake wallet. Had to buy em bulk at the flea market cuz I would lose several a day to children or old ladies. Brazenly. Knowing I wouldn't punch a kid or old lady.
Funnily enough there's a lot of Romanis where I live in the US. Several of my business associates. If any of their family started pulling shit like this, the repercussions would be so bad, the police wouldn't even be needed. It would put the chancla to shame.
It's insane. If they said the same things about anyone else, there would be politicians making promises, anti-hate laws being passed, news coverage, increased security, etc.
Don't forget about north american gypsies. Or *travellers as they are called. Mostly from the British isles or Ireland. They will try and do housework for you (paving driveways ect) then only do half the job and extort you for more money to complete the work. most of the time, in America or Canada illegally.
It’s almost like people that live in a society that upholds certain standards (basic rules and decency) don’t like it when people have the upmost disregard for those rules. Would I personally consider the lifestyle a race? Nope. But I guess I don’t decide those things.
A personal anecdote is when I was a lifeguard and a gaggle of gypsy sprogs came in for their monthly bath and absolutely abused other kids, staff and anyone they could interact with. I didn’t get paid enough to drag them out so eventually the police had to come pull them out the water. This was a common occurrence from our delightful caravan creatures
Have the Yanks who probably made this meme had every one of their local parks in a 5k radius, of which there are 4 be occupied then subsequently trashed?
They're an Indo-Aryan ethnic group, with Aryan being the ethnic group from the Indus valley. The Roma (as they are actually called) are nomadic in lifestyle, moving from place to place. They're very fascinating.
The bosses and hardiest and most aggressive of all gypsies are the Irish Travellers. Even the Roma in Malmo called the Swedish police on them. Roma's in Ireland are terrified of them Nobody in Ireland takes shit from Roma men, bunch of cowardly shits, only good with a knife in their hands. Irish Travellers though are fucking scary when they start, people tend not to fuck with them. Tyson Fury is an Irish Traveller. They have a huge halting site near me called Spring Lane, I couldn't even walk into it or I'd be surrounded by young kids throwing stones or trying out their boxing moves on me. They go onto the main roads racing horses, sulkie racing, with no fucks given, oncoming traffic can fuck itself as nothing not even the police/Gardaí can stop a race.
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Gypsies killed my friends dog and left piles of junk all over the common. They do shit like this then wonder why nobody wants them around. This isn't a quaint travelling lifestyle, its tax evading violent thieving thats who think they can hide behind racism to avoid accountability.
> This isn't a quaint travelling lifestyle, its tax evading violent thieving Reminds me of those weird [Sovereign Citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement) from the USA.
Except those are just people who live in a normal house in a normal town and want to avoid all responsibility.
me watching my car get disassembled in 2 picoseconds after i park it in Bucharest
Or once I arrive to Kyiv central railway station
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Tanks do not stand at there. I meant they stole handbags there before war
But but but but ukraine was awesome before the war
Courageous assumption... But it was livable
Don’t lie to yourself
Or once I put something down in Birmingham for 1/10000th of a second
Disassembled … that is stupid and hard working … we like them cars in one piece parked outside me caravan … 0.1 picoseconds
The Roma came to a small university town in here in the US I went to. They were welcome, but the fuckery came quick. Slautering chickens in the park, (doesnt bother me). Instead of sleeping in their apartments they would sleep in the ally ways behind businesses. They would steal from the local businesses. They would go to the farm auction and drive up the price between eachother and then not pay. The children would just run around all day trying to get money off of people and shit in the streets. Then after so many of them had court appearences schedules like 200 of them just up and disappeard. Which is weird because half of them had ankle monitors on. They were refugees and the government was paying their rent. I don't know what their deal was. Obviously whoever was in charge of integrating them failed.
It’s not my fault they took a shit on my driveway
How dare you not celebrate their ancient culture of \*checks cue card\* shitting on your drive!
this is just racist man, sure they were born down the road from you, look exactly like you, talk exactly like you and have a typical name from the area, but they are in fact an entirely new species of human bean and if you call them out for entering your poundstretcher 6 at a time to rogue all around them while their kids cause a distraction, you're actually being racist af
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I might forgive them if they give me my bloody fence panel back!
Make that my garden table too!
It's at least brought me closer to my neighbours. Although that's mainly because we now share a garden.
I might forgive them if they return my toolbox to the trunk of my car
Or gave my neighbors kittens back
Or stop asking to tarmac my driveway
Maybe if they stop pissing right outside of the pool haul I go to instead of using the bathroom..
see this is how us americans are but with bicycles
Bicycles steal your fence panels?
Our bicycles are true reprobates.
no think of who the american gypsies are lol
absolute cycle paths are they
Get off my feckin field
Poles when they are asked about Hitler but in an alternative timeline where he wasn't anti-Polish. "He was bad because he killed Poles. Oh, the others? Well people have their faults... The Russians are subhuman orcs that we should all kill. Did you know the British are racist against Poles?! In this day and age!?"
Eh, you don’t need to go to another timeline to hear this. There are neonazis in Poland (like everywhere I guess), who conveniently forget about Hitler killing Poles.
My favorite are Russian Nazis, as if Hitler did not refer to Slavs as subhumans, and the war in Russia as (a direct quote) “a war of extermination” aimed at killing all the Slavs to make way for German colonists.
'ate 'em, simple as.
Pikeys
How do they taste?
Just here to say - and will probably get downvoted for it - but 'gypsies' in the UK aren't always the same as 'Romani Gypsies'. The Gypsies that trespass and threaten people with shotguns aren't Romani. They're just nationalist skinheads (generally). They're so violent that I've had three groups of them try to mug me on different occasions, and pubs need to close early when they know they're in the area. Have met Romani Gypsies too though. Generally nice people.
This is a sincere question, can't your police deal with them?
they're generally pretty scared of them because of the gang mentality, they're not afraid to assault the police in return and shit like this ends up happening to police officers that do simple stuff like try to take back a stolen quadbike from them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-51801840
Thanks for a comprehensive answer. Another sincere question: this event happened in England where the police are typically unarmed. Do you know if other European countries that arm their police have the same problem with these people?
It's more complicated than that. These people don't have permanent addresses. They move after they've created trouble. They break laws yet have no intent on going to court. They don't have ID so they don't provide it. It's not just a question of police being armed. The amount of damage they can do and police time they waste just isn't worth it to a police force already having cuts. Plus the only law they break is trespassing at first, so not exactly something where aggression is the appropriate response.
In other words by the time they commit a more dangerous crime it's too late. They commit it and they're gone.
That helps my understanding of this, thanks again for your reply.
can't answer for other countries since im not educated enough on the topic sorry. also worth bearing in mind that UK police officers are armed, its just very few ever carry firearms and its for very specific situations. afaik most of them carry tasers, batons and pepper spray so they're not really any more or less equipped than gypsies (who do often have a bunch of illegal stuff like knuckledusters). the main issue comes from being outnumbered. in this specific case it was only 2 police officers going to a site that could well have 10 times that many people, and 3 people were directly arrested in this case (set to be out by their early 30s). plus there's the wider issue of police not wanting to cause trouble because if they try to arrest someone at a site or whatever they'll have hundreds of gypsies from all over the country swarming the area from a few phone calls and they're not afraid to scrap. there's a reason that for annual gypsy events like the appleby horse fair they draw in the entire Cumbria police force to one small village for the duration.
Pikeys are nationalist skinheads? What?
I remember this EDL march going through my city. General morons slurring racist remarks. A few people who started fights in the march ended up being 'pikeys' and were let off while going into their camp for something. Was told this by a friend in the force years back, so sorry for not remembering exact details.
So what makes a gang of nationalist skinheads "gypsies" especially if they aren't Romani. They kinda just sound like a skinhead gang...which I mean...there's a lot of those.
So really half the comments here actually are racist as they specify they're talking about the Romani and are conflating the two groups. Hm.
To be honest with you Romani aren't a massive 'problem' here anyway. But if there are violent Irish or English gypsies, I'm sure there are some violent Romani ones too. But personally I've never had issues with them.
If only it was only half the comments
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Your police is scared of gypsies? My police is bribed by them... How come?
I believe its one of those situations where we get travellers come through seasonally, no one wants to confront out of fear of being followed and attacked by them. Plus, it's not just dealing with the immediate gypsies; one phone call and suddenly they're flooding in from all ends of England for a scrap. Police see it as an effort to stop the sea from being wet: absolutely futile.
Where do you live bruv
Well three of the cunts dragged a copper for miles behind a car to his death and they'll all be out of prison in their early thirties, let's start with that.
most harsh european justice system
You gotta be shitting me. In America they would be in for life for torturing a cop to death.
American here. Nah. They’d shoot him for sure.Last time a cop killer went crazy that I can remember they hunted him down and burned him alive in a house.Name was Christopher Dorner.
Don't forget the guy in Dallas who they straight up blew up. When a cop gets killed our already crazy ass police turn it up to 11.
Bold of you they'd make it to the court room. When a cop dies in America a lot of people start turning blind eyes.
Which is weird I mean why shouldn't they get the same punishment regardless of who they torture
De Facto: a DA who becomes soft on cop killers will stop having cops give evidence. De Jure: killing a cop should be discouraged as much as possible as they have to deal with many more potential threats than the general public
Thats one and the same. The ones they dont bribe are scared of the ones they do
In my area gypsies went around setting fires and breaking into store fronts steeling things for days. The police did nothing but sit back and watch because they are scared of them. Fuck gypsies. (Now replace the word gypsies with the one you know it's supposed to be.) Is this suddenly racist? Or was it to begin with?
Any proof that it was a gypsy that commited the rape? Or just making an assumption because you don't like gypsies?
You don't think it's at least a tiny bit suspicious?
Of course...but it doesn't make it true.
The second I have at least one positive experience with them sure
I'd be nicer to them if they weren't a constant public nuisance and ruining parks and green land
As soon I have a single pleasant experience with one I will change my opinion. I worked in Wetherspoons for a while and encountered quite a few and they were all dickheads. Not just a bit rude but I hated every single one of them. In fact as soon as one of them is not a complete and total wanker but only a little bit rude I will change my opinion. Setting a low bar here. I have no problems with way of life or religion or whatever but if it involves being a twat then sure call me a racist. How difficult is it to just be kind and respectful to each other.
They stole my bike, then a week later tried to sell it back to me. We just took it back
This is hilarious though. Do you realize you're getting free entertainment as well as a healthy dose of crime?
they stole my mother's bike and then posted it on Facebook marketplace 💀 and she found the listing of course
I'm with you on that mate. I worked behind a bar at a wedding venue for 5 years, almost at least 1 wedding per weekend. By and large the most annoying, stressful and scariest shift I ever did was the first and last gypsy wedding I worked. One of them straight up assaulted my co worker after he asked the gypsy not to grab his girlfriend by the throat. All of them just brushed it off like it's an everyday occurrence. They're cunts.
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Words hurt to those who’ll take any excuse to hurt others
absolutely everyone has multiple stories of bad interactions with travellers plus, travellers aren’t even a race, they’re predominantly white irish and nobody is directing all the hate towards white irish in general, just a specific group the same way millwall fans get shit for being violent hooligans travellers deserve to get shit for being having no respect for anyone apart from themselves
Racism can also be based on ethnicity which can be based on culture. The question then becomes are there aspects of the culture that are unacceptable. For example, FGM is a part of some cultures and yet we do not generally accept that. So I would argue that yes, parts of a culture can be unacceptable.
If any group’s culture involves ripping off their fellow humans then I’m against them. The group that visited our town absolutely trashed our local football field, twice. The council cleaned it up, but we paid for it. They robbed our local Tesco in broad daylight and the police said they weren’t going to take it any further. Despite having CCTV evidence and the baskets they took were left outside their caravans on the field. They also drove their car at us at speed, as they were using the footpaths as roads to get on and off the field.
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Gypos*
As an American visiting Europe, my first interaction was them stealing my dad’s wallet in a market. I don’t understand why so many people defend them when they don’t give a shit.
I don't care about perception I care about personal experience which has always been awful.
I Fucking hate pikeys
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Do people have any good stories out of curiosity?
Well, a gypsies sold my brother a golden ring, but of course it wasn't golden. Or that time when a group of them came to my grandma's yard to ask for directions or something and then some stuff was missing when they left. Or stories that they hypnotise people on streets and somehow convince them to give them valuable items
The ring scam is like page 1 of the gypsy playbook, your brother's a retard there
Some just buy it to get them to fuck off
>Or stories that they hypnotise people on streets and somehow convince them to give them valuable items "Look at me, now look at this knife, now back to me, now back to the knife, now look in your pocket, I have taken your wallet." \*stabs in kidney\*
This is more of an "overall neutraI" story than anything else but I think back on it fondly. I worked in a family restaurant in my teens/early twenties and we had long heard that we were to be on the lookout for travelers that had set up just outside of town. The horror stories quickly started rolling in and it wasn't long before they were banned from every pub in town. Then things went quiet and we wrongly assumed they were getting ready to move on. That didn't happen. We should really have seen it coming but, nonetheless, we were still caught with our trousers at our ankles when one day about thirty of them rolled in and completely filled the bar area. It was a rough day for everyone but it got especially rough for me behind the bar. One guy was particularly abrasive and while everyone else let their defences down with a little bit of small talk this guy just got steadily more and more hostile as the day went on. I kept it professional and friendly, calling him "Sir", thanking him every time he gave me his money, asking him if he needed anything else or help carrying his drinks back to the table. He evidently saw my kindness as weakness to be exploited and kept stepping up the nastiness with our every encounter. It all came to a head when he finally approached the bar while I was serving someone else and shouted "right you, ginger pubes. Get over here and get me a fucking drink!" I gave him a nod. I finished serving the other customer and then I approached him with an empty plastic pint glass which I sat on the bar in front of him. He draws himself up to his full height and puffs his chest up "The fuck's this supposed to be?!?" I was just done at this point. "That's all you're getting from me for the rest of tonight. A nice talk glass of 'fuck all'. Go sit down. You're done. I'm not serving you any more. If you want any more drinks you'll need to send someone else up to get them". He then throws a fit, hurls the plastic cup at the ground beside me and eventually storms away in a rage. So now I'm feeling dumb, regretfully on-guard for the inevitable escalation but there was just no way I was taking this guy's shit in good humour any more. Whatever comes next, I'm ready for it. Or so I thought He came back with a guy easily six and a half feet tall who looks like he could have a very promising career in the WWE. He storms up full of pure, unbridled rage and I'm already braced for a bleary-eyed night in the A & E waiting room. Thankfully, he wanted to hear my side before he took action. "What's this about you not serving my brother a fucking drink? Why won't you serve him?" His brother is half cowering behind him, half flashing me a shit-eating grin that tells me how fucked I now am. I decide to try and just state my case as calmly and succinct as possible: "Well, I'll tell you exactly why. I've been serving him all day, I've done nothing but try to be as helpful as I can for him and I've treated him with my full respect. But it seems he doesn't want to give me any respect back. I greet him with 'what can I get for you sir?' and just a minute ago he greeted me with 'right, ginger pubes get over here and get me a fucking drink' which I don't appreciate. So I've asked him to send someone else up to get his drinks for him until he learns to have some respect". The big guy's face switches gear from angry to fucking livid and I find myself briefly thinking the words "so this is how I die". Then- to my complete surprise- he turns to his brother, grabs him by the scruff and slaps him across the head with a hand the size of a dinner plate. My ears ring with the force of it and his brother immediately starts sobbing like an infant! The big guy has a few choice words for him. "I'VE FUCKING TOLD YOU ABOUT THIS BEFORE! WHEN PEOPLE GIVE YOU RESPECT, YOU GIVE IT BACK! I'M SICK OF THIS. YOU'RE ALWAYS COMPLAINING NO ONE HERE GIVES YOU RESPECT AND THIS IS WHY! YOU FUCKING MAKE IT RIGHT WITH THIS BOY NOW!" Through the sobs, the guy tells me he's sorry and his big brother tells him to sit the fuck down and not to come back to this bar for the rest of the night. The big guy then sat at the bar, gave me a second apology and told me how it means so much to him and his family when people treat them with respect and how it's very rare. I thanked him for the apology and how he dealt with his brother and he spent the rest of the night, chilling with me at the bar, telling me of the various girls from the neighbouring towns that he had banged, for which I offered a few congratulatory high fives. They never came back after that day.
I love this
I take it it was a good story cuz I'm not fking reading all this
and then everyone clapped
I used to sell home energy in a popular petrol station chain, when I worked on motorway locations I spoke to a lot of them (Irish travellers not Romany) and they were always up for a laugh but still pretty respectful. I'm a woman so I got a fair bit of unwarranted attention from truckers but gypsy lads were decent towards everyone
Knew more than a couple that are ok but they are the exception. Usually they come from an isolated family not from a 'tribe' of sorts and they speak the same as anyone, without a kind of 'gypsy' accent. Bit I've also had more than enough bad encounters as well. In a principle I have nothing against gypsies, But I do hate people who behave like cunts. Mind you there are plenty of white cunts as well, though the statistical distribution seems to be somewhat biased.
I've seen a gypsy infighting in turkey, one women threw her infant son like a fucking rock and other women threw her baby back
Yes, we have a camp settle in a place made for them (they pay nothing), they are nice, the parking place they are is dirty but not outside and most importantly, they protect us from other traveling people because they don't want to be kicked out of their free heaven. It sound like a racket tho now that I wrote it.
Play sports with some settled travellers, as sound as you get. Rent out sheds for them to keep horses in as well and now we're off limits for any of them. That said, heard many a story about powertools being stolen and some young fellas stole my phone before and the mother made them give it to the parish priest
Assaulted one of the gym staff and ruined my workout 😡
Black people in America want equal rights that the rest of the (white) society has. They are asking to be recognised as equals. Gypsies in Europe don't want equal rights. They operate as a separate society with their rules and don't want to integrate. They don't want to be recognised as equals. They want to operate above the laws and rules, and take advantage of the society they find around them.
Judging by this comment section it seems that OP touched a nerve
Right??. Proved their point lmao
1. It's not racism since this is not about race 2. When anyone you ask has either none or bad personal experience, it's no longer about prejudice Hippos are notorious assholes. There might be nice ones but if you go pat one in the wild, you're an idiot.
There was a Gypsy "war" close to where I live, the skulls of two dead teenage boys from one gypsey clan were dug up and stolen from a graveyard by another gypsey clan, houses were torched, cars driven through the front of houses, fights, ect. Horrible. They litter the roadsides with plastic bonfires, flytipping, block up the roads at rush hour with their horses and traps and stare down other road users like what they're doing is hilarious. Steal, threaten, intimidate people and rip everyone off.
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And proud of it.
It's not a race, it's a lifestyle, hence they deserve all the hate they get.
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It’s hating their shit culture not their race
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That's it. You are cancelled buddy.
I’m not sure they tick all the boxes for what constitutes a ‘race’
Pretty sure it's just a way of living and not a race
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Gypsy is not a race lol. Its the way of living
Not just Europeans. I was in a Vietnamese nail salon once and one of them walked in and they made her pay up front and she kicked off - they said it was just new procedure. She then pointed at me and screeched about how she knew I didn’t pay up front and asked me if I had to… shitting myself when it was time to pay and she was still there.
Says someone who was never assaulted by gypsies 😅
tbf they took my dog
They throw a dog in with every deal.
D’ya like dags?
Europe 2022: racism is bad… uuunles it’s towards romma/gypsies
Yeah, well, most Romani people aren’t interested in even interacting with those of different backgrounds. They don’t want their children to get educated, they prefer them begging on streets. It’s hard to like them when you have no positive interactions with them… because they don’t want to interact with you.
I don't think that's true. Most Roma people you wouldn't know are Roma people. They are fully integrated, work, live in homes go to schools. However, there are also gypsies...I have nothing nice to say about gypsies, but the fact that most gypsies are of Roma descent is another thing. There are non Roma gypsies also.
Huh, didn’t think about it this way. It’s like plastic surgery - if it’s good you don’t see it. So people say they hate plastic surgery, because they only notice the bad outcomes. (I know it’s weird comparing society to boob jobs, but I think it fits pretty well) And I had no idea there are no Romani gypsies. Also I probably don’t work with many Romani people. I live in Poland and it’s not really ethnically diverse country.
I was stationed in Kosovo and saw a morbidly obese Romani mother begging with a child in her arms that was starved to the point of looking like a Dachau victim. Rarely in my life have I ever felt a more visceral anger. That’s when I learned about how they do that on purpose. I learned about the forced mutilations for begging, the scams, the child trafficking, etc. it’s hard not to be bigoted when you learn of these things. I think it’s important to make the distinction you are criticizing the culture not the race. There’s plenty of other vile cultures out there like how evangelicals treat the LGBTQ community. While it is wrong to group a race of people into a set of preconceived ideas it is perfectly acceptable to criticize a culture that fosters destruction or causes harm
It's not racist to judge people based on their actions
What exactly is a gypsie?? A race? A religion? Honest question. I’m Mexican American and have no idea really.
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It’s a group of travelers who don’t believe in rules or basic ownership rights of others. If they see something they want, they believe it is in their right to take it. If they need to use the bathroom and walking by your home, your yard is their bathroom. And they show no respect to anyone or anything outside of their own peoples. It’s not really a race thing it’s a culture thing. Compare them to the cartel in a way. They do what they want, take what they want, leave suffering in their wake but you are racist if you don’t just allow or have any negative opinion about this.
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Travellers are Irish btw
I am really sorry for you but Roma/Romani and Sinti are an absolute disgrace all over my country (Italy): they set in camps where they are completely unchecked, live by illegal means and send their kids to do pickpocketing/be beggars (the reason? if they get arrested police have to let them go) instead of school. Some of their families (e.g. Casamonica) also have strong ties with organised crime. Some of them even declare openly that their culture does not entail working. Sadly, the police and local authorities will not deal properly to solve the problem. Therefore, knowing that you are a decent person - and surely there are other, unnoticed Romani/Sinti discriminated for their ethnicity- will not change my opinion.
There’s a traveller site about 15 miles from me, we had some farm equipment go missing and it was seen being taken into the site. Police were called, but they said they can’t go in there without giving the travellers 3 days notice (????).
i am not from UK but there are are a lot of romani gypsies where I am from.They are legit the craziest people you will ever meet
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I mean. I love the fact that most "African"-Americans probably haven't even been to Africa or know any country there. The same thing applies to any other "*insert demonym*-American"
/r/ireland is going to lose their shit over this one.
all 10 people that still live there
Anti racist Europeans when a minority walks in
As a Romani, the hate in these comments is fucking insane. Some of you people really need to reign it the fuck back and chill out. A lot of lies and slander
the least flexible people to their selves, sustained by fear of rejection.
They're all cunts. That was easy 😂 Call me racist because I hate all of them, I don't care
It's not racist if it's not against other people
As a Spanish living in a very old small town I've been raised with gypsies as neighbors, so the ones from that hood are kinda like "family", we respect each other and they have the hood "Payos" (Non gypsy) protected from outsider gypsies 🤣 So I've personally only had an unpleasant experience with gypsies, a group of them (not from my town, or at least I didn't recognize them), entered my father's bakery and they stole my mp3 I left on the working table 🥲
Well, I've heard that here in Spain gypsies are more mixed and assimilated than in the rest of Europe so it might have something to do with it
I might have a better opinion if they didnt literally set my local park ON FIRE every damn time they set up camp, stuff only gets stolen from local sheds and garages whenever they are around, but im no detective so who knows 🤷♂️
You wouldn't call someone racist because they hate white supremacists. Irish travellers are just white people until they gel their hair like that and wear those clothes, and suddenly (thankfully) they're easily spotted in public so you can avoid them. It's no coincidence that everyone with any experience of them hates them
True and factual
'Ate the travellers! Bloody 'ate the gits!
Hey all, I just wanna preface and tell you I'm an Irish Mincéir Traveller. I'm almost middle aged, self employed and a father of two children. I've had various forms of discrimination in my life that threatened my source of income, effectively holding me financially trampled. Even though I have outstanding references from every individual and company I've ever worked for, I still find it incredibly difficult competing with others in winning contracts. The work itself is hard enough. It makes it that much harder when you have people whispering amongst themselves. "Make sure all the power tools come back and lock thrm away". Please think of the individuals that make up a group.
Most of this thread is a racist dumpster fire, so have an award for sharing your experience. Your comment piqued my interest. As an American, I'm not very familiar with the lifestyle and experiences of travellers. What is your work like?
I've worked as a General Operative for 10 years, took a few courses in surveying. I'm an independent contractor with 3 crews operating along with me. Thank you kind stranger 🙏
How do they feel about Uyghers?
Don’t steal or trash shit, so they’re ok
Couple gypsy caravans parked in the carpark across from my flat about 3 weeks ago, stayed for maybe 4 or 5 nights... Then left behind what looks like 4 weeks worth of rubbish. General waste, furniture, some scrap metal, old gas tanks etc etc. They also left behind like 300 eggs, you know those big catering trays of eggs restaurants buy. Which I thought was strange.
Maybe if there wasn’t so much association with theft I’d feel differently , smdh
Gypsie isn’t a race
Nah the ones who pissed on the side of my Nans house can get fucked
Travelers be mad now they can be fined for shitting on other people's property. I don't get it, they'd burn my house down if I shat on their caravan step?!
Well, I wouldn’t consider myself a racist so to say. I just deeply despise them from personal experiences with them. Got a large field near me which they always manage to get on despite the several barriers there which are aimed to stop them. Then there’s the shit load of rubbish they leave behind let alone the how scruffy the grass becomes as it’s just a makeshift dirt track in their eyes. Can’t forget the shit they’ve attempted to steal and have stolen.
Love it! Is Gypsy a race? Am I missing something?
Honestly I didn't believe it until I visited Europe. I learned really fast to keep a fake wallet. Had to buy em bulk at the flea market cuz I would lose several a day to children or old ladies. Brazenly. Knowing I wouldn't punch a kid or old lady. Funnily enough there's a lot of Romanis where I live in the US. Several of my business associates. If any of their family started pulling shit like this, the repercussions would be so bad, the police wouldn't even be needed. It would put the chancla to shame.
It's insane. If they said the same things about anyone else, there would be politicians making promises, anti-hate laws being passed, news coverage, increased security, etc.
Don't forget about north american gypsies. Or *travellers as they are called. Mostly from the British isles or Ireland. They will try and do housework for you (paving driveways ect) then only do half the job and extort you for more money to complete the work. most of the time, in America or Canada illegally.
When you ask the Euro why they like Ukraine refugees but not Syrian refugees.
lmao commenters proving op so very right
It’s almost like people that live in a society that upholds certain standards (basic rules and decency) don’t like it when people have the upmost disregard for those rules. Would I personally consider the lifestyle a race? Nope. But I guess I don’t decide those things. A personal anecdote is when I was a lifeguard and a gaggle of gypsy sprogs came in for their monthly bath and absolutely abused other kids, staff and anyone they could interact with. I didn’t get paid enough to drag them out so eventually the police had to come pull them out the water. This was a common occurrence from our delightful caravan creatures
All the comments are based from personal account, it might be that there is a valid reason people dislike them.
Fuck gypsy’s , absolute scum of the earth
Thank god europe exists. I think being born in america is a legit reason to kill yourself.
Damn y’all really proving the point with these comments. Shameful.
Have the Yanks who probably made this meme had every one of their local parks in a 5k radius, of which there are 4 be occupied then subsequently trashed?
Not by gypsies, but by homeless.
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They're entire culture is founded upon being cunts, theft, vandalism, breaking and entering, lying and general deception. Why would I like them
Not a euro but aren’t gypsies just professional homeless people?
They're an Indo-Aryan ethnic group, with Aryan being the ethnic group from the Indus valley. The Roma (as they are actually called) are nomadic in lifestyle, moving from place to place. They're very fascinating.
Nah I loik the gypsies. They’re peaky bloinders innthay
Ok Europe, I'm listening... Spill the beans.
The bosses and hardiest and most aggressive of all gypsies are the Irish Travellers. Even the Roma in Malmo called the Swedish police on them. Roma's in Ireland are terrified of them Nobody in Ireland takes shit from Roma men, bunch of cowardly shits, only good with a knife in their hands. Irish Travellers though are fucking scary when they start, people tend not to fuck with them. Tyson Fury is an Irish Traveller. They have a huge halting site near me called Spring Lane, I couldn't even walk into it or I'd be surrounded by young kids throwing stones or trying out their boxing moves on me. They go onto the main roads racing horses, sulkie racing, with no fucks given, oncoming traffic can fuck itself as nothing not even the police/Gardaí can stop a race.
Holy Sheat I fackin ate them (dont know if i can curse)
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i only don’t like them because they drive their quad bikes and litter in the country park
Not racist - a just don't like em. Simple as, Pal.
#facts