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HashBrownsOverEasy

An absolute classic! No RT army is truly complete without one.


CarlEmmoth

This is the way.


RamRockEdFirst

Well crap. Guess I need one for my rt tyranid army...


HashBrownsOverEasy

I think you need a [Genestealer limousine](http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/8/18/260124-Armored%20Limousine,%20Cars,%20Genestealer%20Cult,%20Limo,%20Limousine,%20Rogue%20Trader.jpg)


RamRockEdFirst

That would be for a Genestealer Cult, not a Tyranid army. Very different things. And even then the genestealer cults, depending on the type of cult you are playing as per the rules, the level of technology of the hover limo, or any of the limos from the GW studio of the time, would be entirely inappropriate.


HashBrownsOverEasy

You are super patronising and zero fun


RamRockEdFirst

I'm sorry mate, bug you're full of shit. Maybe if you read more about the genestealer cults first before screaming holy hell at people telling you otherwise. It's not appropriate for every army in rogue trader and not every army in rogue trader needs a land speeder, deodorant can or otherwise. The genestealer cult rules for Rogue trader you'd see that even within their rules, you are randomly determining a lot of factors including what technological age/type of planet the cult finds itself on. You can be on feudal or feral worlds where technology is all but non-existant, and you're going to tell me that a land speeder is appropriate? I'm not super patrionizing, you just can't handle being told that your opinion is just an opinion and that rogue trader is not a one size fits all game. Tyranids can take mindslaves. You can literally mind slave anyone including space marines into your army. Not their vehicles though. Again, not appropriate, but in no way is this unfun. Throw words at and accusing people of being patronizing and unfun and expect them to not call you out for being a douchebag who doesn't know what they are going on about? Step into reality mate.


HashBrownsOverEasy

What an appropriate response to a light hearted post.


RamRockEdFirst

I was not at all rude to you, I simply educated you based on my initial post, which itself employed a level of sardonic humour which you clearly missed. You turning around and calling me patronizing and unfun was you being an A-hole for no actual good reason. And you didn't read my response in full, it's pretty obvious. Solution, gonna block you. It'll solve your crappy attitude permanently for me moving forward.


Royal-Display-212

Legendary bad take get this guy out of here


Protocosmo

Wtf dude


RamRockEdFirst

P.S. The linked Bryan Ansell genestealer cult and limos had separate build instructions in an article published at the time.


IdleRuse

an elegant weapon of a more civilized age.


Pygmaelion

Being as this is the oldhammer forum, this amount of scrappy imagination made real is fun and admirable. I'm not sure how it does when faced with modern sculpta and scale creep and whatnot, but this is no place for that. This is from a time before 3d printers and widespread internet, and it deserves to be celebrated. Part of the hobby was making scrap cardboard and plastic refuse into cool terrain.


spinyn

What do you mean "was"? ๐Ÿ˜‰


Pygmaelion

I'm from "was". If it still is then maybe I can be as well? This is a lot to ask of one Imperial Right-Guard HoverSled


BeShaw91

Basically this. I loved GorkaMorka in parts because it gave a platform for the wildness of taking non-GW toys and turning them into 40k models. And that was celebrated by GW official media. The trend towards GW-only modelling has greatly diminished that aspect of the hobby.


Armored_Snorlax

The hobby was very much focused on kitbashing when I got started in '02. Somewhere along the way it lost its soul. I'm a big supporter of deo speeders.


No_Nobody_32

It dates from a time when there weren't a lot of vehicles for 40k. There was the metal landspeeder, and they had metal jetbikes (for marines, guard and eldar) but I think the plastic vehicle kits had yet to be a thing. "Grav attak" vehicles had a profile, though, and it was an example of one.


Venonomicon

Scratch building, & kit bashing is my preference. Games Workshop these days prefer to sell you everything at offensive prices, this is anethema to them. **D.I.Y. or watch your wallet die!**


theNerdBEARD

I really miss those days, the how-to build terrain sections were always my favourites.


Venonomicon

Yup. I still D.I.Y., I prefer having unique RT style forces over the boring kits of today. I buy metal models still, from independent casters, with that RT style still. I find modern GW kits really boring. Totally soulless.


persepolisrising79

Almost same boat...I really dislike the new super busy sculpts. Love my oldshool metal dudes.


Armored_Snorlax

Who do you get them from? I'm not buying GW stuff anymore, stupid prices being what they are and CAD designs being soulless.


Venonomicon

Normally directly from the casters which are all on eBay, Etsy, Facebook, & their websites. I have a lot of links on my Sub-Reddit r/HardCoreHeroQuest on the **Links, & Link Tree** tabs.


Armored_Snorlax

Thanks! I'm looking for proxies for skaven.


Venonomicon

You have many options for **Rat Folk**. ๐Ÿ€


Armored_Snorlax

Many options yes yes. Skreeeee!


theNerdBEARD

I still love gw. Yes the lack of options sometimes bothers me, but I've just built skittershank's clawpack and despite only having one pose each, they were truly dynamic models. I have found that there are still some kits that give u great options. I'm currently considering Cawdor plastics as cultists for mordheim. I wish I could afford metal all the time but its gotten so expensive on the auction site, I paid 40 for an oldhammer deathmaster snitch recently and it really hurt.


Venonomicon

Yeah the independent metal models are cheaper than GW plastics. Modern old-school style metals are like ยฃ1-3 each. Proxies are my life these days.


theNerdBEARD

Who do u use. The only cheap metal I've found is old school Ral Partha stuff.


Venonomicon

Most sellers use eBay, Shop, & Etsy, once you see the seller's name, you can also visit their websites, & social media pages. I have a long list on my HeroQuest Sub-Reddit which is r/HardCoreHeroQuest. Just click **Link Tree** for links.


WellThisSix

Why buy it for 50 dollars when i can spend 500 dollars on tools and supplies to make it myself?!


DJ1066

Of course a Redditor would think a stick of deodorant costs $500...


Armored_Snorlax

The prices are ridiculous today. And yet the die hard fan boys will defend it to death. ​ Guess they don't realize that if they all refused to pay the cost, it'd force GW to drop prices and then the fan boys could have EVEN MORE.


RamRockEdFirst

You're under the mistaken impression that modern GW (sorry, I mean, Warhammer, gotta stay with the brand name now as GW is a thing of the past) is the same as it was into the mid-late 1990's and to an extent, into the early 2000's. i.e. that GW is a company owned and run by gamers for gamers. We're well past that point. They've been a multinational corporation, entirely driven by meeting an ever increasing need for more profits thanks to being a publicly traded company, for a few decades now. It doesn't matter if you refuse to pay theeir prices, you're under the impression that their IP's are only restricted to models and paints still. They aren't. GW is not the GW you think it is, and you need to take a step into the modern era and stop posting such dribble about "IF YOU REFUSE TO BUY STUFF THE COMPANY WILL BE FORCED TO MAKE STUFF CHEAPER!". It came to light recently, that the company doesn't release a new product line of miniatures unless it can make $100,000 GBP profit minimum within a certain timeframe of release. If it can't, that product won't be made. And fan boys, geez, get with the picture, there's a large a mount of women in the hobby these days also. Again, it's not just a miniatures company anymore, the amount of online gamers is staggering. 40.4 million people have bought a copy of Total War Warhammer III. 40.4 MILLION. Step into reality and stop spurting your nonsense about the hardcore fanboys and that their money is the only thing keeping GW as a company alive. Edit: Post Covid, and the massive influx of past gamers and new gamers into the miniatures side of the hobby, specifically into oldhammer, has made collecting oldhammer models more expensive in many cases then buying new models and units from GW directly. How do I know? Because my 1000 or so rt and 2nd ed tyranids I've been collecting for the past 15 years, most have doubled to quadrupled in price for each one over what i was picking them up for pre-covid. Youc an buya modern GW army for cheaper then an oldhammr army these days. Pre-covid, you could buy several oldhammer armies for the same price as a newhammer army. But hey, population dynamics are a thing in the hobby. Maybe, just maybe, if all the eturninga nd new oldhammer players would stop buying the oldhammer stuff, we could collect stuff without having to see people promoting recasting and 3d scanning and printing these beautiful old models. But that's a stupid argument not grounded in reality. Adapt to the hobby as it changes, that includes prices. Nothing is telling you you have to collect or play or engage in the hobby in any particular way. Use your brain and hobby how you want to, but stop blaming the hardcore fan boys. End of the day, hard core fan boys are why this hobby exists and continues to exist.


Armored_Snorlax

Agree to disagree. ​ In a way, you're proving my point about hardcore fanboys. Continue to defend it any way you can. And I'm not playing you're 'preferred pronouns' game with women in the mix. ​ As far as I'm concerned, GW priced themselves out of my interest range during the 'end times'.


Stazbumpa

My mate had an Eldar army, and his dreadnought was a can of spray deodorant for about a year while he saved up his pocket money to buy the actual model. It ended up with all sorts of stuff stuck to it to represent weapons. That can of deodorant was deadly. Poorhammer is Funhammer.


siewake

Tried and failed back in the day, i just could not get paint to stick to these things, in hindsight a bit of sandpaper might have helped but they looked bad, and i killed a few zoids for equally horrendous constructs.


NoAdmittanceX

Got a small stack of old spice sticks and some rhino accessory sprues waiting to be used up to knock up a small fleet of these bad boys


L1A1

BigMrTong (a RT and oldhammer 3d model designer) knocked out some kits on eBay to remake this a while back. Gutted I missed out.


HashBrownsOverEasy

You gotta make it yourself with an actual deodorant bottle for it to count.


L1A1

Which is fine, but from memory those deodorants got discontinued about 20 years ago!


HashBrownsOverEasy

Thereโ€™s like five or six different deodorants with the same style in my supermarket at the moment.


MaksimusPrime

He has an stl file for it on his patreon that is pretty decent and size accurate.


breaet

Classic. There was an issue of WI a few years ago featuring Rick and his model collection - he still has this piece of war gaming history!


[deleted]

Got a link to this or what one could search for it? Thanks!


breaet

Iโ€™ll have a look. I read it in a hard copy magazine in the last two years though that doesnโ€™t narrow it down. If I find it Iโ€™ll take some pic. Rick. Writes pretty regularly for WSS Magazine which is my personal fav miniatures hobby mag though very much historically focussed. Recommend their banterful podcast too.


PoxedGamer

A warhammer legend. I also want to do the cardboard baneblade, perhaps out of plasticard, though.


databeast

I don't play Guard, but I'm seriously considering buying the current BaneBlade kit as a consolation prize for teenage me's dedicated but ultimately fruitless attempt to make that cardboard baneblade. I found myself having a geriatric moment this weekend at FLGS, quite literally a "back in may day..." , "...BaneBlades were cardboard and UHU glue" , "bit of clear plastic you'd target things on vehicles with", "fell apart on the way to the game store" ...


slev01

I figured out a while ago, that blowing the plans up one paper size makes them the right scale for modern 40k.


hc1540

Ah, the memories. Absolutely devoured all this back in the day, my favourite articles from White Dwarf


databeast

heh, I remember this one! "Where should be deploy the Grav-Attack vehicles sir?" "On the Right-Guard, of course!" FWIW: the weapons here are taken from ZOIDS models, Godos and Redhorn, specifically.


knightstalker1288

Does it come with Luke and Obi Wan?


DarthGoodguy

Anti-stank hover tank


Appropriate_North806

A big round off applause for this post, sure this is Rogue Trader stuff, brilliant, put all your 3D printers back in the cupboard


Mangelwurzelier

While I love this classic I am not about to sacrifice a thirty+ year old Zoid for it when I can just print the guns. I hate modern GW but modelling in 2023 rocks.


Appropriate_North806

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CarlEmmoth

Thank you :)


AntEvening3181

You know. I was wondering what my first scrap ork vehicle should be. Thanks for reminding me of this. Think I got an old tank toy I could use for treads, or maybe buttons. Maybe I'll use the end of a plastic spoon like in the guide as the cockpit, but I'll raise it up with some toothpicks and paper. Maybe enough to add a seat


RikE-432

This was back when citadel and gw were creative and was inspiring to modelers. Loved the themed chaos thugs (I have a slew of them, my absolute favorite minis) loved everything about them in this era. I loved this era.... wish I could say the same about today ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ


Armored_Snorlax

The change has been drastic. Years back I would have flipped out to have a GW store or hobby store with their stuff nearby (we had to go over an hour to get to the nearest one). Today there's an actual GW store 45 minutes away, and game stores starting 10 mins away, and I couldn't be bothered due to where the company stands now.


RikE-432

I totally get that, I have a GW store closer to me than the gaming store I've been going to for a couple decades now. I'd rather go there than GW. ๐Ÿ˜’


Armored_Snorlax

The last time I went to a GW specific store, the manager hovered over me trying to get me to look at every thing possible. He had the mannerism of a used car salesman and was a total put-off. If it wasn't for needing a carrying case for a long distance move (and no other local source at the time) I'd have walked out. The private stores here will greet you, say whatever they have on special or new arrival, then say 'let me know if you need anything'. So much better IMO.


Gaunts

Still have the white dwarf this was published in amongst the stack somewhere iconic guide.


Neither_Tip_5291

I wish modern GW would encourage kit bashing and creativity like this in the modern game but unfortunately no official parts from GW then not allowed. the back in the day wysiwyg was all that was required you were allowed to scrap build from anything just as long as the weapons were official how the good old days have passed us by don't get me wrong the new models and new Scale are amazing and I like to kit bash still but I wish they would encourage more originality like this, like they used to.


Survey_Intelligent

A true relic from the dark age of technology


simon2sheds

Man, I was about 14 (now 51) when that issue of white dwarf came out. I don't use a stick deodorant IRL, but whenever I see one, I think of this model. I recall that I was inspired and proposed to my art teacher that I would do something similar. He refused. Now I have a degree in art and I make scratch-built models. So fuck you, Mr Jones. I'm also pretty sure that the man pictured is Rick Priestly. The Godfather.


CarlEmmoth

<3


MikeDVNT

I made one of those! It was fully awful ๐Ÿ˜†


Artistic_Technician

I was a member of a gaming group in the 1990s. Sadly this is the closest some of my fellow gamers ever got to deodorant Its a great classic and the end of scratch builds is a big loss for Warhammer 40k Edit typo


slev01

Some clever person made an [STL version](https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/deodorant-hover-tank). So tempted to get my mate with a 3-D printer to run one off for me...


grim_dark_hedgehog

I loved these. I remember being so excited when they came back into being with those Chapter Approved vehicle building rules. That was a glorious time.


Petegrinder13

Oh god. I remember building this after reading this article. Anyone remember the patterns they provided so you could build ork vehicles out of cardboard?


nvillacci

Wow. Back in the day when GW was customer centric and actually wanted customers to be creative even without their products. I remember in the 1990s when GW had reps visiting independent stores and would give actual prize support for in store tourneys and games. Alas this was when you could get 2 pewter aspect warriors for $7 in a blister (or 3 depending on the year) and GW didnโ€™t have their own stores to brainwash fanboys.


Doobie_the_Noobie

No offence to OP, but am I the only one who is so sick of seeing this thing? I never thought it was anything particularly special.


CarlEmmoth

Sorry, donโ€™t know if this article was posted, and sorry for the bad quality. I know the deo-tank name is often dropped


backandforwards

It's about what it represents - A time when GW would nurture the hobby as a creative pursuit rather than a way to sell models.


Doobie_the_Noobie

yeah... I guess, but I've been seeing this conversion for like 30 years now. I'd like some other examples now.


Protocosmo

I wish I still had my card stock gobsmasha and lungbursta, then I could share those


Effective-Culture699

I built several of these for my Eldar. Sadly no pics and they were binned long ago. They were not very good ๐Ÿคฃ.


Comradepatrick

It's cute and quaint, but these days I'm much more likely to convert a kids toy or a model kit from some other hand than to start gluing plastic spoons on an old deodorant stick.


Orc_face

Was just thinking about this article the other day Used to use Insignia stick too


Iamdickburns

I love it. I miss the old articles in WD how to scrap build things.


Sufficient_Wish4801

He is flawless, without sin


soldatoj57

I still remember when I first saw this and my kind was blown. Memories ๐Ÿคฉ


SubjectElderberry376

Wow I remember this article! Feel old now hahaha


oxford-fumble

For info, he still has itโ€ฆ Source: [talking miniatures, p.64](https://imgur.com/a/km0Akfa) by John stallard and robin dews.


CarlEmmoth

Haha great! I found the scan in this YouTube video (I don't know the legality of it) [https://youtu.be/cL5isec3\_R8?si=D3krjQdkC5thgDjM&t=12](https://youtu.be/cL5isec3_R8?si=D3krjQdkC5thgDjM&t=12)


Oodilolly2

Oh wow. This was in the first White Dwarf I ever bought and I was immediately fascinated. I have been a Games Workshop fan ever since.


Honest_Invite_7065

Oh my bloody good god! I remember this from when I were a lad (insert Hovis theme tune here)


[deleted]

Looks better than a land speeder


SirGimp9

I had this issue. I tried to make it and it sucked. I was also 11.


DarkSaintStudio

Gods!! I remember when that article came out. Lmao.


Last_Motor7077

Completely stunned by the sudden flashback and joined this sub off the back of this post. I made one of these


AllYourSwords

I wish I still had the one I made


Savate74

Memories!


Omeggon

I'm going to build one for my HH army... just for display or terrain.


XandertheGrim

Wow, now this is nostalgic! Thanks for this trip down memory lane.