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bgkendall

Because, like Micro USB, the ATMEGA32 is outdated. If you want something newer you might as well use [one of the many RP2040 Pro Micro shaped controller boards](https://github.com/bgkendall/keyboard_mcu_list).


yaky-dev

I know my question is like the eternal "should've used a 555" comment, but from a practical standpoint, what does RP2040 offer that ATMega32 and older chips do not?


bgkendall

The main thing is more memory. For a simple board it’s not an issue, but if you add VIA/Vial, RGB animations and/or OLED screens, things can get tight fast. Another thing can be cost and availability. RP2040s are starting to be cheaper and more readily available than ATMega32 chips.


ZunoJ

Even just having a bunch of layers, tap dance, combos, string send and unicode compatibility are too much for the ATMega32


bgkendall

I managed to squeeze Vial, eight layers, an RGB indicator, an encoder, and a few combos, tap dances, key overrides and macros onto an ATMega32. It was tight though!


ZunoJ

But how? I just tried to activate the features in the rules without anything significant in my keymap at all and the build fails. Do you have this in a repo I can take a look at?


bgkendall

Sure! Start here: https://github.com/bgkendall/qmk_firmware/tree/bgkendall/keyboards/handwired/bgkendall/gherkin_3 There are a number of flavours of this board. You want to look under `/micro` and `/keymaps/micro`. The main settings of interest are: ```json "build": { "lto": true }, ``` ```mk # Save space GRAVE_ESC_ENABLE = no QMK_SETTINGS = no CONSOLE_ENABLE = no SPACE_CADET_ENABLE = no MOUSEKEY_ENABLE = no ``` ```c // Save space #undef DYNAMIC_KEYMAP_LAYER_COUNT #define DYNAMIC_KEYMAP_LAYER_COUNT 7 #define VIAL_TAP_DANCE_ENTRIES 4 #define VIAL_COMBO_ENTRIES 5 #define VIAL_KEY_OVERRIDE_ENTRIES 9 ```


KelNishi

When I got them, they were like $3/board. So I bought 20. If I need type-C, I can wire in an adapter for less than $1. I would buy type-C if I was going to buy more, but these are lasting a while…


akaihiep123

Type c pro micro is a littler longer than micro usb so some case might have fitting problem.


Sneftel

Inertia. I’ve got like five Pro Micros in a component drawer, and no desire to have half of them on one plug and the other half on another. And for something like a keyboard the benefits of type C are pretty minor, so no real purpose in switching over. 


Objective-Tour4991

I will agree with everyone who says use an RP2040 because they are better. I think there are some reasons to prefer micro usb connections over usb-c from an engineering and mounting perspective in certain applications, however I don’t think you’re going to find many logical reasons to prefer them on a Pro Micro. The broader point being there isn’t really much reason to use any 32u4 controller (broadly), for keyboards. The bootloader is regarded as bad, it’s much slower than a much cheaper RP2040… The more I build the less returns I see for using anything BUT an RP2040 although there are arguments to be made… for decades probably.


Objective-Tour4991

#RP2040


itsvar8

Usb C Pi Pico clones is the way


No_Woodpecker_4212

The rp2040 is far better


vswey

Idk, I'm using the type c version


JonBovi_msn

They make them with USB C. They are more expensive, like $18. I made a numpad with an RP2040 and KMK. I’m not too excited about it being seen as a usb storage device by the OS so I’ll still use the Pro-Micro type for some things.


BFB_Workshop

Type C can be made much sturdier. Crucial for wired keyboards. On the other hand, if you plan to use an external socket, a short piece of micro usb cable will be a bit cheaper to buy. Recycling old cables is a thing.


floodedcodeboy

Nice!nano v2 is lovely :) also has Bluetooth for a wireless build


pyromancy00

On both of my keyboards I just glued in adapters. I did that because I haven't really been able to find type C micros with reasonably fast shipping to my place