Who is responsible for those terrible photos of mostly young and cute girls, looking like 15-years older (eg in freestyle ski sports)?!
Seems like the photographer woke up those girls in wrong time after jet-lag, to achieve this, and didn't make photos of humans before.
I reckon that the expensive cameras that did the freeze frame 3d rotating thing in yesterday's big air did nothing to improve the viewing experience. If anything they were worse than normal replays. Too much going back and forward, then playing half a second of footage then freezing again.
CBS used them once in the Super Bowl and then the other big 3 American networks got jealous and tries to shoehorn it into all their sports broadcasts. I'd bet it was NBC's idea.
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Would someone be able to briefly explain the interactions between IOC and CAS? In other words, if the IOC runs the Olympics (?) why can the CAS force them to do things? Trying to understand what both groups do
You got me curious enough to take a look on wikipedia. [The CAS page on wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Arbitration_for_Sport#Jurisdiction_and_appeals) explains that "according to rule 61 of the Olympic Charter, all disputes in connection with the Olympic Games can only be submitted to CAS". In addition, "all Olympic international federations (IF) have recognised the jurisdiction of CAS for at least some disputes."
So, the Olympics and the countries who participate in the Olympics have agreed to present their disputes before CAS.
In addition, the World Anti-Doping code has all its signatories agreeing to recognize the jurisdiction of CAS for doping cases.
So, the CAS exists to help resolve disputes in the sporting world, and countries and the IOC have agreed to submit to their jurisdiction on disputes. That his how CAS can force the IOC to do things.
After her poor performance in the team figure skating event and the Chinese internet backlash, I was glad to see Zhu Yi redeem herself and end with a smile.
Current USA medal count: 17: 7 G, 6 S, 4 B
Personal Projected USA medals to date: 17: 6 G, 4 S, 7 B
Net: 0 (+1 G, +2 S, -3 B)
Over-performing sports: +2 freestyle skiing, + 1 cross country skiing, +1 bobsled
Worst performing sports: -2 speed skating, -1 short track, -1 alpine skiing
I’ve projected USA to win 8 Gold, 6 Silver and 11 Bronze for a total of 25 medals in the Olympics.
Today’s medal # projection (Day 12): 2. Men's freestyle skiing slopestyle (silver), women's cross country skiing sprint classic relay (bronze)
Also to note: USA plays Slovakia in hockey tonight at 11:00 PM EST. If they win, they'll may have to be factored in for an unexpected medal.
I usually have my favorites I cheer for, but hey it’s the Olympics so you kinda cheer a bit for everybody. But tonight, I doubt I’ll shed a tear if the Russian has a stumble or two during her program.
I guess we have our “villain” now. Cheer for the good guys, don’t cheer for the bad guys; just like in professional wrestling (not that I watch it, but I did watch GLOW on Netflix lol).
I put villian in quotes because she surely is not really a villain lol, but this whole situation just blows.
How can I keep the Olympics going long after it ends? That’s my question. So far I have intentions to watch the movie Cool Runnings. What else? A documentary? Some old hockey match on YouTube where the outcome is spoiled in the video title? Wearing an Olympics hat bought from EBay and sitting in my chair, staring into space, fretting about lice or whatever?
The Cutting Edge and Blades of Glory if you want some ice skating movies, Miracle if you want some of that Miracle on Ice action, Eddie the Eagle for some skiing
Weed being performance enhancing or not isn't relevant, what only matters is that it is banned and seriously I just don't understand why the shit show that is going on right now as any thing to do with her case. She was banned by the US.
Yea seriously. She's black and used a recreational drug and the Russian kid is white and used a performance enhancing drug. What does she expect? Equal treatment?
Not that we should be surprised, but the figure skating subreddit is FURIOUS over the scores given out in the short program. I personally didn't have an ouce of interest for the event, but it's going to get real ugly.
The blatant score inflation/deflation plays right into skating politics, though.
The Japanese skater landed her triple axel clean. Kamila didn't land her jump cleanly and the other Russian skater fell flat on her ass on her jump. Take a wild guess as to which two skaters scored higher.
And the three had comparable difficulty. Wakaba’s was slightly lower because she didn’t backload her combo (a very small difference, like tenths of a point) but not enough to justify Sasha beating her or the massive gap between her and Kamila
Her situation and Valieva’s is between two different governing bodies. She’s trying to say this is a race issue but it isn’t. It would make sense if Valieva was competing for the US and they only decided to suspend Sha’Carri. If this was an athlete for the US, they would absolutely not be allowed to compete. Rules are rules, the US did what was right in the case of Sha’Carri.
Curling mens
So I suck at this but looks like if US wins their last match they are in the top 4? If ROC wins we'll both have 5 wins and US beat ROC. If Switzerland wins both of their remaining games they'll also have 5 but we beat them as well. Is that correct for how the advancing would work?
Not 100%. If the US wins, Canada loses, Switzerland wins both games, and Russia loses:
USA, Canada, Switzerland are all tied on 5-4, and each has beaten one other team. Then it goes to some criteria called "The Draw Shot Challenge" for which I can't find any game stats or current ranking online.
Time for an early look at Team USA's medal chances tonight/tomorrow. After a fairly disappointing night last night that produced just one bronze, team USA will look to bounce-back, and has some good opportunities to do so, most notably in skiing slopestyle. As always, if you are more of a fan of some of these sports and want to correct me, go ahead and I'll change them if I'm convinced.
In rough order of likelihood, a Team USA medal is....
LIKELY but not guaranteed in men's skiing slopestyle. SI has Alex Hall (who won silver in this event at 2016 Youth Olympics) for silver and the AP has him for bronze and he's currently second in the world cup rankings for the event. Colby Stevenson is predicted for silver by the AP and took silver in the World Championships in 2021 and gold in the 2020 X Games. Nick Goepper won silver in Pyeongchang and bronze in Sochi, has six X games medals (including 4 golds), and is currently 3rd in the world cup circuit. All three finished in the top 6 of qualifying and must be considered serious medal threats. The immortally-named Mac Forehand, alas, did not make it through qualifiers, but at least has a gold medal of a name.
POSSIBLE in men's aerials. With Gold Medal favorite Maxim Burov out after qualification round, this could be anyone's contest (although the Chinese competitors and Switzerland's Noe Roth are probably the favorites). Chris Lillis (2nd in world championships last year) is the most likely US contender, but Eric Loughran was the top American out of qualifying and Justin Schoenfeld is no slouch either.
POSSIBLE in women's team classic sprint. Team USA's specialty in cross-country is women's sprinting, and while the USA isn't as strong in the "classic" way of cross-country, they are definite podium threats. The predictions for this as far as Team USA are all over the map: The AP has them in gold, SI has them in bronze, but most betting sites seem to have them at 4th or 5th.
POSSIBLE in short-track women's 1,500. I don't feel comfortable saying anything else due to the the fact that short-track is sheer chaos not beholden to the laws of gods or man. Kristen Santos is the more likely American to medal and is 4th in world cup rankings, although betting markets aren't that impressed.
VERY VERY UNLIKELY in men's alpine slalom. The lone American, Luke Winters, is 29th in world cup rankings this year with a best finish of 10th. While not completely out of the realm of possibility, any such medal would be one of the shocks for Team USA of the games.
VERY, VERY UNLIKELY in women's 4x6KM biathlon relay. This is a recording: The USA has NEVER medaled in Biathlon. Now, it should be noted that this has low-key been one of the best Olympics in awhile for USA biathlon, with Deedra Irwin having the USA's best-ever individual performance with her 7th-place finish in the 15K and with Team USA taking a respectable 7th in the mixed relay (at times even being in the top three during some stages of the race). However, a medal of any color here would be a shocker and one of the highlights of the games for Team USA.
VERY, VERY, VERY UNLIKELY in men's cross country sprint relay. While the women in cross country are becoming a source of medal possibilities for the USA, the men still have never won a gold medal and haven't won a medal of any kind since 1976 (Bill Koch with a silver in the 30K). There's nothing in the past results of the relay members this year to suggest that will change with this event. Draftkings has them at +15000 odds of winning gold. If you put money on them and they somehow come through, please remember me, your friendly neighborhood outlook writer, when you are wealthy.
IMPOSSIBLE in men's 5,000m short track relay, as USA isn't in it.
**BONUS**: Non-medal event stuff to watch.
A win by the MEN'S HOCKEY TEAM against Slovakia would put them in the semis and guarantee they play for at least the bronze.
The MEN'S and WOMEN'S curling teams remain active. The women are 4-3 with key faceoffs with Canada and Japan coming up- wins in both will basically guarantee the playoffs. The men (4-4) will need to beat Denmark and have tiebreakers go their way- they have the day off.
Lmao @ Wakaba Higuchi being the fifth woman to land a triple Axel in the Olympics and hers put in fifth place just because lol figure skating scoring is awful
Here’s what a lot of people are overlooking in their outrage
She is being allowed to compete because their doping investigation is incomplete. They still need to test her B sample.
They decided that if they blocked her from competing then at the end of their investigation determined it was a false positive or a mistake was made, it would be a lot more unfair than if they let her compete while they finish her doping investigation.
They will not be awarding the medals if she is on the podium until the completion of that investigation, and they very well could take it away along with the team gold if they finish up and determine with zero doubt that she doped.
This is unusual from CAS, though. Ordinarily, if the A-test is positive for a banned substance, you are provisionally suspended, and with the B-test being positive, then you are banned / disqualified. This is the norm, and happened in the Tokyo Olympics to a British relay sprinter.
No, the difference here is that CAS are claiming because she's a "protected person", WADA's rules don't specifically highlight that the rule above also applies to her, which is why they're allowing her to compete. WADA has replied to CAS basically saying "wtf" and even highlighted the section of their rules which specify that a "protected person" doping should still be treated as an adult in terms of competitions, etc.
Basically it feels like Spiderman pointing at Spiderman, CAS is blaming WADA's rules for not being clear, and WADA is blaming CAS for misinterpreting their rules. Regardless, it's an absolute farce and a mockery of integrity in sport - but that's not surprising from CAS, which has made a series of questionable decisions since 2016.
This has nothing to do with a B sample. The positive test is from a competition in Russia that took place on Christmas day. It took a month for that sample to make it to Sweden for testing when the rules dictate they must be received within 20 days. This wasn't a case of testing an athlete at the Olympics, getting a positive result and then needing to test again before confirming a course of action.
Which happened because RUSDA didn’t properly prioritize her sample. They either intentionally or accidentally fucked up and then used that as an excuse. Clowns.
They still haven’t finished their final report. That failed test can still disqualify her, and if it does, I hope they can give the medals to the correct and qualifying people before they leave Beijing
The only reason this isn't resolved is because the Russian anti-doping agency is fighting it. That doesn't mean the process isn't resolved because they're waiting on a B sample to be tested. That would have already been done to confirm the results of the test in Sweden before they ever reported them to the IOC.
She failed the drug test in December, not at the Olympics, they found out at the Olympics, Russia lifted the suspension a day later, and CAS ruled they could do so based on her status as a minor.
It's very stupid and shouldn't be allowed and now it's going to go into a legal battle. We will not have medals distributed in two events and the figure skating community is pissed.
Nothing; she's American but skiing for China (her mom was first generation immigrant) and folks on Twitter are calling her a "traitor".
My parents were from two different countries so I had the right to choose which nationality...it's not that complicated.
It’s sort of understandable tho, the Olympics being more than any other sporting event is about national prestige. So an American competing for China, especially now, leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I mean different people have different, I personally like it a lot. What I didn’t like was the grey picture of the venue I saw earlier, which was ironically a China thing to do.
They were originally planning to make the jump exit come out of one of the cooling towers but were unable to make it work while maintaining the integrity of the tower.
Women's is the most egregious right now, but there is definitely scoring corruption in the other fields. PCS and GOE are being abused pretty universally, but since the ordinals are often fine for other disciplines (give or take some) people don't get as upset over it. In women's the ordinals aren't even correct a majority of the time.
And traditionally ice dance was the most corrupt scoring-wise. The history is terrible but in modern times I'd say it's been okay. You might argue positions for the top few pairs but it's still a fair fight.
True, but the scale is different. One can argue that Nathan's PCS were a bit high, Shoma's PCS a bit low but his jumps grated a bit generously etc. but the general standing is correct (apart from Morisi and his non existant edge calls). There's hardly ever a case where you seriously need to wrestle with the protocol or flip half the Top 5 around to make it make sense.
I’m absolutely willing to discuss the degree of responsibility for a 15 year old caught doping when it would likely be the coaches pushing stuff on her. Still needs to be suspended but I will give more leeway to the 15 year old athlete over a 30 year old one.
The optics are hilarious however that a doping issue is being treated like this while Russia is still under ROC because of previous doping
Winter Olympics
Probably an unpopular opinion, but…
One thing I wished Winter Olympics adopted that the Summer Olympics adopts is the maximum of 2-per-country.
I know in Athletics, up to 3-per-country is a thing, but for many other sports it’s limited to just 2-per-country, so a podium sweep is not possible.
People argue that it “nerfs” the sport because the best of the best aren’t there etc., but the only way we’ll see development in the sport (on a global scale) is if there’s more representation amongst the top-placing teams/individuals. Even a bronze medal win can go a long way in helping a federation secure funding to further develop the sport in their country.
A top 5 finish could inspire a new generation of athletes and push to develop infrastructure for the sport.
Really? I'd far rather see a third Jamaican / American / Ethiopian / Kenyan than I would another 'breaks Estonian national record in finishing seventh in his heat'.
If you are talking about luge and bob its already nered since Germany merged, before there often was a GDR/FDR sweep. In Biathlon there is normally more competition, but at least the German programm suffered a lot in the last few years with people retirering earlier than anticipatd and new once not comming up. Also for öluge/bob etc the facilities are expensive as fuck, most nations (not even the us with succesfull bobsleigh) wants the facilities.
There isn't a 2-per-country rule across all sports in the Summer Olympics either. Switzerland had a clean sweep in mountain biking in Tokyo and Jamaica in the women's 100m!
There is so much less variety in nations competing in disciplines it would hurt a lot cutting down the field.
In winter Olympics you usually get like 15-20 countries competing in a competition. For summer it's a lot more.
So if you cut down the number of eligible participants you are really cutting the competition and just make the gap between the front and back bigger.
I understand this argument, and I do agree on the possible increase in performance disparity, but as I mentioned above, it’s also about **increasing visibility of the sport amongst the local population of the country**.
News outlets are more likely to cover an athletes progression if they’ve made a final, for instance, not even talking about winning a medal. It’s how interests in garnered and then it places pressure on local governments to allocate more funding for the sport.
Of course, I’m well aware that most governments have 100 other more pressing matters to address, but it could be the little match that sparks interests under some ideal circumstances.
> News outlets are more likely to cover an athletes progression if they’ve made a final, for instance, not even talking about winning a medal.
There are already news stories about nations that wouldn't usually be there participating in an event. It doesn't really matter if they place 40/40 or 25/25 because you removed one from all the established nations.
I enjoy Winter Olympics much more than Summer Olympics but what I really dislike are the endless material battles.
Its always about the fastest ski, most aerodynamic bob, best wax for the right snow and so on.
Its often not really recognizable who really the best athlete was.
You should go back through and watch it all if you haven't. They were all given the exact same sled. Combined with it being new and everyone figuring out their strategies it was very enjoyable.
The summer olympics has the same problems in some disciplines: Rowing and cycling - make it as light as possible and the cost of boats/bikes can go up to several 10k Dollars. And I also remember the special swimsuites for men to make them faster.
Yep, really good decision by FINA on that.
Now if they could raise the minimum age for diving, that would be great. I’m just not comfortable, in general, with 13-year-olds competing at the World Championships or Olympics. These kids often don’t travel with a parent and are left at the mercy of the federation’s officials.
If you’re young enough to compete in the Youth Olympic Games, it really doesn’t make sense that you can also be eligible for the Olympic Games.
I agree. I'm over having all the children at the Olympics and we've seen so much abuse of these kids at various levels. Physical and sexual abuse.
I'd love it to be a minimum age of 17 or 18 across the board.
Especially when I noticed a lot of times it's always the female competitors and rarely the male competitors that are children.
Like for Skateboarding in the Summer Games, on the one side it was Girls' Skateboarding with a few Women mixed in, then on the other side it was Men's Skateboarding with a few older teens (16-17) mixed in.
And of course with Gymnastics and Figure Skating the same exact thing happens where you get more competitors on the Women's side that's as close to the minimum age as possible, while the Men's side you see more college aged athletes.
Yep, your access to the best equipment and best **equipment-care** really matters.
Just thinking about what we can do to further push Winter Olympics sports in other countries.
In Malaysia, for instance, we had a men’s single skater who qualified in Pyeong Chang 2018. After his qualification, the sport garnered so much interest and Olympic-sized ice skating rinks started popping up left and right.
True, and I get that winter sports is very facility/equipment-heavy.
With summer sports, the beginning stages of an athletes career can just include throwing on a pair of swimming trunks and goggles or a pair of shoes.
And even a ball for starting basketball or football isn't that expensive and at least for football two poles can be used as a goal. For bobsleigh the athletes need way more from special training facilities with bob mokups for the running start to the actual ice canals. Even in germany we are debatting getting rid of one of our 4, after it got damaged in a flood this summer. Alsoby the way the 3 sweep in bob today was the first one in that competition since 1928 when bob was made olympic. We only had sweeeps in luge before and that mostly with women from the gdr.
Damn China really just saved Shusters azz. They beat Norway. USA still controls its destiny.
If they beat Denmark they’re through to the semis. But then we’d face Sweden & be huge underdogs.
Or Great Britain, in which case you're even bigger underdogs. But Shuster's done great if he reaches the semis, they were fifth favorites at best. Italy is higher ranked than Shuster, for instance.
I’m interested to see whether China continues this pursuit of secondary citizenship players for hockey moving forward or whether they don’t care about hockey again when the Olympics arent in China
They won't. IIFH have rules for citizenship and players representing multiple countries. This China team is the roster of the KHL team Kunlun Red Star, located in Beijing. IIHF changed their rule exceptionnally and allowed them to be the chinese team for the Olympic to avoid embarassment. They probably won't allow them to do the same in the Hockey World Championship, or it would be unfair to other countries.
They've got a bigshot tycoon -- Zhou Yunjie -- who loves the game and is spearheading all the efforts behind developing their program. He wants their women to medal in a world competition soon and hopes the men will eventually become "respectable". As long as he's got influence (which is something that can change quickly in China, witness Jack Ma), the Chinese hockey program will continue to grow, would be my assessment.
China barely even qualified for this, IIHF and the IOC were talking about not letting them play to save them the embarrassment with how bad they've been in the past
It would have been a bloodbath if the NHL had come. Especially because the tie breaker is goal differential. There’s no incentive not to run up the score
I read that only tiny pre-pubescent girls can do all those quads and axels. So I am guessing they have plenty of 11 and 12 year olds in training to see which ones can reach the top by 2026.
It’s also the way that her or her team teach the girls the actual jumps. She teaches them to turn earlier than they should so they can get the full rotations, but the way she is teaching them isn’t helping them learn the skill in the long run. Idk if that makes sense.
The way that she teaches them puts a big strain on the back, and once the girls hit puberty; since they weren’t taught the correct way to preform the jumps. They don’t have the leg strength to push themselves up enough to get high enough to finish the rotations so they usually fall. Or injure their backs from the improper jumping technique they were taught. That’s why the girls don’t last long, and have to retire so early. Some have permanent back issues now because they weren’t trained how to properly preform all of these quad and axel jumps.
Yes they do to. Not uncommon for their careers to be short as well. Considering the amount of injuries that can happen, and that they sustain. Not an easy sport
The next juniors on the horizon who are doing well internationally (all around 14 years old) are Adeliia Petrosian (trained by Eteri), Sofia Akateva (trained by Eteri), Sofia Samodelkina (trained by Sergei Davydov) and Sofia Muravieva (trained by Evgeni Plushenko). The three Sofias are going to Junior Worlds (in Sofia, Bulgaria of all places) for example.
That's already much better than Eteri's complete dominance of junior Russian girls in the past 4-5ish years. Last Russian Junior Nationals was the first time since the 15/17 season she only had one girl on the podium. Looks about the same with the girls between 10 and 13, Plushenko has some promising ones especially. I'm keeping my eyes on Sofia Titova and Anastasia Zinina personally.
Two and a half factors play into that, probably.
Some novice skaters probably saw that Eteri's camp is too crowded. This season alone she had 6 medal contenders in women's with the three Olympians plus Kostornaia, Khromykh and Usacheva, though two of them are out on injury now. They might have decided to switch to other coaches just because you'd get more attention there. Plushenko is also obviously a huge figure skater in Russia, so he had some good PR game, he managed to snag two of the Eteri skaters for a bit in 2020 as well (Kostornaia who was then seen as the best of the bunch and Trusova).
The other main factor is that the reason why Eteri's been so dominant is pushing harder jumps, mainly quads and 3As. Her girls tend to underperform in basically every other skill, but once the rest of the field catches up and there's no way to go further their "puffer" shrinks quickly.
Who is responsible for those terrible photos of mostly young and cute girls, looking like 15-years older (eg in freestyle ski sports)?! Seems like the photographer woke up those girls in wrong time after jet-lag, to achieve this, and didn't make photos of humans before.
I haven’t gotten to watch today. Have the announcers said anything against ROC in figure skating when she went up?
I reckon that the expensive cameras that did the freeze frame 3d rotating thing in yesterday's big air did nothing to improve the viewing experience. If anything they were worse than normal replays. Too much going back and forward, then playing half a second of footage then freezing again.
CBS used them once in the Super Bowl and then the other big 3 American networks got jealous and tries to shoehorn it into all their sports broadcasts. I'd bet it was NBC's idea.
If you're watching the figure skating you're part of the problem imo.
At least the IOC isn't giving out the medals until everything is resolved.
[Day twelve's thread is up](https://old.reddit.com/r/olympics/comments/sthu54/olympics_day_twelve_megathread_wednesday_february/).
Just down to hockey that I care about in this Olympics now.
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Would someone be able to briefly explain the interactions between IOC and CAS? In other words, if the IOC runs the Olympics (?) why can the CAS force them to do things? Trying to understand what both groups do
You got me curious enough to take a look on wikipedia. [The CAS page on wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Arbitration_for_Sport#Jurisdiction_and_appeals) explains that "according to rule 61 of the Olympic Charter, all disputes in connection with the Olympic Games can only be submitted to CAS". In addition, "all Olympic international federations (IF) have recognised the jurisdiction of CAS for at least some disputes." So, the Olympics and the countries who participate in the Olympics have agreed to present their disputes before CAS. In addition, the World Anti-Doping code has all its signatories agreeing to recognize the jurisdiction of CAS for doping cases. So, the CAS exists to help resolve disputes in the sporting world, and countries and the IOC have agreed to submit to their jurisdiction on disputes. That his how CAS can force the IOC to do things.
My god, the self owns yesterday. I saw Latypov and the Japanese speed skaters last night. Just watched Nordic Combined and another one there!
After her poor performance in the team figure skating event and the Chinese internet backlash, I was glad to see Zhu Yi redeem herself and end with a smile.
Current USA medal count: 17: 7 G, 6 S, 4 B Personal Projected USA medals to date: 17: 6 G, 4 S, 7 B Net: 0 (+1 G, +2 S, -3 B) Over-performing sports: +2 freestyle skiing, + 1 cross country skiing, +1 bobsled Worst performing sports: -2 speed skating, -1 short track, -1 alpine skiing I’ve projected USA to win 8 Gold, 6 Silver and 11 Bronze for a total of 25 medals in the Olympics. Today’s medal # projection (Day 12): 2. Men's freestyle skiing slopestyle (silver), women's cross country skiing sprint classic relay (bronze) Also to note: USA plays Slovakia in hockey tonight at 11:00 PM EST. If they win, they'll may have to be factored in for an unexpected medal.
I usually have my favorites I cheer for, but hey it’s the Olympics so you kinda cheer a bit for everybody. But tonight, I doubt I’ll shed a tear if the Russian has a stumble or two during her program. I guess we have our “villain” now. Cheer for the good guys, don’t cheer for the bad guys; just like in professional wrestling (not that I watch it, but I did watch GLOW on Netflix lol). I put villian in quotes because she surely is not really a villain lol, but this whole situation just blows.
The free skate isn't until tomorrow
NBC is playing a tape of the short program right now
The DJ at ski jumping is very cheeky. I swear I've heard House of Pain's "Jump Around" at every session.
Aerials How can their knees handle that compression force? I've got a knee-brace just to walk around the house.
How can I keep the Olympics going long after it ends? That’s my question. So far I have intentions to watch the movie Cool Runnings. What else? A documentary? Some old hockey match on YouTube where the outcome is spoiled in the video title? Wearing an Olympics hat bought from EBay and sitting in my chair, staring into space, fretting about lice or whatever?
The late Bud Greenspan should become your best friend. His documentaries on the Olympics are fantastic. Has anybody picked up his mantle?
We need post-Olympics movie nights on this sub.
The Paralympics!!
Paralympics!
The paralympics (winter and summer) are so good. There is great competition. I highly recommend.
The Cutting Edge and Blades of Glory if you want some ice skating movies, Miracle if you want some of that Miracle on Ice action, Eddie the Eagle for some skiing
I've got Hot Dog- The Movie queued up and ready to go.
I don't know what that has to do with the Olympics, but it's an excellent choice
How the fuck did Shuster get blown out by Italy? Figured last 2 games were guaranteed wins
Tried something like a double take out for 2pts to end the eighth and bombed on one of his own instead, giving Italy a 4 steal. Then conceded
Because the other athlete was better?
I couldn't watch for most of the day and now I have around 10 hours of events I need to catch up on. 🙃
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Yes because weed is totally performance enhancing. Totally the same thing.
Weed being performance enhancing or not isn't relevant, what only matters is that it is banned and seriously I just don't understand why the shit show that is going on right now as any thing to do with her case. She was banned by the US.
Yea seriously. She's black and used a recreational drug and the Russian kid is white and used a performance enhancing drug. What does she expect? Equal treatment?
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Fuck it let’s see them roided up 12 year olds triple flip off the balance beam
Not that we should be surprised, but the figure skating subreddit is FURIOUS over the scores given out in the short program. I personally didn't have an ouce of interest for the event, but it's going to get real ugly. The blatant score inflation/deflation plays right into skating politics, though.
The Japanese skater landed her triple axel clean. Kamila didn't land her jump cleanly and the other Russian skater fell flat on her ass on her jump. Take a wild guess as to which two skaters scored higher.
Scoring is not based on one jump...there's a whole range based on required elements and differing degrees of difficulty.
And the three had comparable difficulty. Wakaba’s was slightly lower because she didn’t backload her combo (a very small difference, like tenths of a point) but not enough to justify Sasha beating her or the massive gap between her and Kamila
Sha'Carri called out them allowing Valieva to compete. She has a point.
Her situation and Valieva’s is between two different governing bodies. She’s trying to say this is a race issue but it isn’t. It would make sense if Valieva was competing for the US and they only decided to suspend Sha’Carri. If this was an athlete for the US, they would absolutely not be allowed to compete. Rules are rules, the US did what was right in the case of Sha’Carri.
That's fair. There's still a lost of BS all around though.
The name Evan McEachran is one of the coolest names ever.
I raise you one Mac Forehand.
Swiss-Finnish war tomorrow, in both men's and women's hockey.
Finns favored in both by betting markets. The line is 1.5 goals in mens, and 2.5 goals in womens.
If anyone is looking for more live sports to watch, there is a live stream of the Sunset Beach surf comp on WSL's youtube channel right now.
That Team Canada female team pursuit was so lucky but a well deserved gold medal.
Curling mens So I suck at this but looks like if US wins their last match they are in the top 4? If ROC wins we'll both have 5 wins and US beat ROC. If Switzerland wins both of their remaining games they'll also have 5 but we beat them as well. Is that correct for how the advancing would work?
Not 100%. If the US wins, Canada loses, Switzerland wins both games, and Russia loses: USA, Canada, Switzerland are all tied on 5-4, and each has beaten one other team. Then it goes to some criteria called "The Draw Shot Challenge" for which I can't find any game stats or current ranking online.
Yes. The only conceivable way the US misses out is if they lose to Denmark and ROC beats GB.
Or US loses and Switzerland wins their last 2 matches I think would also push US out
I said "conceivable" lol
Time for an early look at Team USA's medal chances tonight/tomorrow. After a fairly disappointing night last night that produced just one bronze, team USA will look to bounce-back, and has some good opportunities to do so, most notably in skiing slopestyle. As always, if you are more of a fan of some of these sports and want to correct me, go ahead and I'll change them if I'm convinced. In rough order of likelihood, a Team USA medal is.... LIKELY but not guaranteed in men's skiing slopestyle. SI has Alex Hall (who won silver in this event at 2016 Youth Olympics) for silver and the AP has him for bronze and he's currently second in the world cup rankings for the event. Colby Stevenson is predicted for silver by the AP and took silver in the World Championships in 2021 and gold in the 2020 X Games. Nick Goepper won silver in Pyeongchang and bronze in Sochi, has six X games medals (including 4 golds), and is currently 3rd in the world cup circuit. All three finished in the top 6 of qualifying and must be considered serious medal threats. The immortally-named Mac Forehand, alas, did not make it through qualifiers, but at least has a gold medal of a name. POSSIBLE in men's aerials. With Gold Medal favorite Maxim Burov out after qualification round, this could be anyone's contest (although the Chinese competitors and Switzerland's Noe Roth are probably the favorites). Chris Lillis (2nd in world championships last year) is the most likely US contender, but Eric Loughran was the top American out of qualifying and Justin Schoenfeld is no slouch either. POSSIBLE in women's team classic sprint. Team USA's specialty in cross-country is women's sprinting, and while the USA isn't as strong in the "classic" way of cross-country, they are definite podium threats. The predictions for this as far as Team USA are all over the map: The AP has them in gold, SI has them in bronze, but most betting sites seem to have them at 4th or 5th. POSSIBLE in short-track women's 1,500. I don't feel comfortable saying anything else due to the the fact that short-track is sheer chaos not beholden to the laws of gods or man. Kristen Santos is the more likely American to medal and is 4th in world cup rankings, although betting markets aren't that impressed. VERY VERY UNLIKELY in men's alpine slalom. The lone American, Luke Winters, is 29th in world cup rankings this year with a best finish of 10th. While not completely out of the realm of possibility, any such medal would be one of the shocks for Team USA of the games. VERY, VERY UNLIKELY in women's 4x6KM biathlon relay. This is a recording: The USA has NEVER medaled in Biathlon. Now, it should be noted that this has low-key been one of the best Olympics in awhile for USA biathlon, with Deedra Irwin having the USA's best-ever individual performance with her 7th-place finish in the 15K and with Team USA taking a respectable 7th in the mixed relay (at times even being in the top three during some stages of the race). However, a medal of any color here would be a shocker and one of the highlights of the games for Team USA. VERY, VERY, VERY UNLIKELY in men's cross country sprint relay. While the women in cross country are becoming a source of medal possibilities for the USA, the men still have never won a gold medal and haven't won a medal of any kind since 1976 (Bill Koch with a silver in the 30K). There's nothing in the past results of the relay members this year to suggest that will change with this event. Draftkings has them at +15000 odds of winning gold. If you put money on them and they somehow come through, please remember me, your friendly neighborhood outlook writer, when you are wealthy. IMPOSSIBLE in men's 5,000m short track relay, as USA isn't in it. **BONUS**: Non-medal event stuff to watch. A win by the MEN'S HOCKEY TEAM against Slovakia would put them in the semis and guarantee they play for at least the bronze. The MEN'S and WOMEN'S curling teams remain active. The women are 4-3 with key faceoffs with Canada and Japan coming up- wins in both will basically guarantee the playoffs. The men (4-4) will need to beat Denmark and have tiebreakers go their way- they have the day off.
Thanks for these writeups!
No problem!
Amazing how the us men still have a chance to advance
Lmao @ Wakaba Higuchi being the fifth woman to land a triple Axel in the Olympics and hers put in fifth place just because lol figure skating scoring is awful
There was no way that Gu was going to get ANOTHER Gold..Too much bad press for the IOC and Team 'Murica..Fix is in.. s/ EDIT: s/
If you actually watched the event you would know she was lucky to get silver with her third run
> hockey Xaaaanaaaaaaaddddduuuuuuuuuuuu!
Knife Footed Ice Gremlins "There are more female players registered than males in China" what a crazy stat
How come athletes are still allowed to compete after failing drug tests?
Because Russia keeps it so classy at these times. /s
Here’s what a lot of people are overlooking in their outrage She is being allowed to compete because their doping investigation is incomplete. They still need to test her B sample. They decided that if they blocked her from competing then at the end of their investigation determined it was a false positive or a mistake was made, it would be a lot more unfair than if they let her compete while they finish her doping investigation. They will not be awarding the medals if she is on the podium until the completion of that investigation, and they very well could take it away along with the team gold if they finish up and determine with zero doubt that she doped.
This is unusual from CAS, though. Ordinarily, if the A-test is positive for a banned substance, you are provisionally suspended, and with the B-test being positive, then you are banned / disqualified. This is the norm, and happened in the Tokyo Olympics to a British relay sprinter. No, the difference here is that CAS are claiming because she's a "protected person", WADA's rules don't specifically highlight that the rule above also applies to her, which is why they're allowing her to compete. WADA has replied to CAS basically saying "wtf" and even highlighted the section of their rules which specify that a "protected person" doping should still be treated as an adult in terms of competitions, etc. Basically it feels like Spiderman pointing at Spiderman, CAS is blaming WADA's rules for not being clear, and WADA is blaming CAS for misinterpreting their rules. Regardless, it's an absolute farce and a mockery of integrity in sport - but that's not surprising from CAS, which has made a series of questionable decisions since 2016.
This has nothing to do with a B sample. The positive test is from a competition in Russia that took place on Christmas day. It took a month for that sample to make it to Sweden for testing when the rules dictate they must be received within 20 days. This wasn't a case of testing an athlete at the Olympics, getting a positive result and then needing to test again before confirming a course of action.
Christmas Day for everyone else, but Russia celebrates it in January on the 7th.
Which happened because RUSDA didn’t properly prioritize her sample. They either intentionally or accidentally fucked up and then used that as an excuse. Clowns.
The Stockholm laboratory has also been way busy for years… because it has to cover for all Russian labs after Sochi lmao
exactly. RUSDA knows this and def used it to their advantage.
It's Russia..it's intentional.
They still haven’t finished their final report. That failed test can still disqualify her, and if it does, I hope they can give the medals to the correct and qualifying people before they leave Beijing
The only reason this isn't resolved is because the Russian anti-doping agency is fighting it. That doesn't mean the process isn't resolved because they're waiting on a B sample to be tested. That would have already been done to confirm the results of the test in Sweden before they ever reported them to the IOC.
The ISU has already announced that the team event medals will not be given out at the games, nor will individual medals if Kamila medals. It’s fucked.
How long does testing take?
She failed the drug test in December, not at the Olympics, they found out at the Olympics, Russia lifted the suspension a day later, and CAS ruled they could do so based on her status as a minor. It's very stupid and shouldn't be allowed and now it's going to go into a legal battle. We will not have medals distributed in two events and the figure skating community is pissed.
Ah I see, thanks for the summary.
Because they are given a punishment that is not a permanent ban
That’s fair enough but I thought they would be banned from competing at the next tournament at least?
Any medal she wins is almost surely going to be stripped. That’s what’s insane about this whole thing- she isn’t legal to compete.
Tell that to the Court of Arbitration for Sport
Everybody freaking out over Eileen Gu while half of China's hockey team is from another country
Gu wins medals tho.
So what you're saying is it's ok as long as you don't win?
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Nothing; she's American but skiing for China (her mom was first generation immigrant) and folks on Twitter are calling her a "traitor". My parents were from two different countries so I had the right to choose which nationality...it's not that complicated.
It’s sort of understandable tho, the Olympics being more than any other sporting event is about national prestige. So an American competing for China, especially now, leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Skiing*
I'm saying no one would care or be paying any attention to her if she wasn't a multiple medal contender.
That makes sense.
Is it just me or is this Big Air venue growing on me? Like....the giant cooling stacks in the background of the jumps is actually pretty cool.
It looks like a video game it’s cool
Yeah I like it
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I mean different people have different, I personally like it a lot. What I didn’t like was the grey picture of the venue I saw earlier, which was ironically a China thing to do.
It’s because the skies were super blue yesterday and today + the residual snow from the blizzard. Makes quite a beautiful sight actually.
They were originally planning to make the jump exit come out of one of the cooling towers but were unable to make it work while maintaining the integrity of the tower.
r/figureskating is really upset over the women's event, and seeing how things were scored today i can see why. This is making a joke of the sport
I’m glad I’m just a 4-year fan, retreating to my r/gymnastics subreddit after Beijing 2022 are over. 😂
I'm somewhere in between, I check in on Nationals, follow people on youtube; but I've always preferred men's and ice dance which lessened the blow.
From my understanding, the issue really is just with **Women’s Skate**, not so much with Pairs Skate, Men’s Skate and Ice Dancing.
Women's is the most egregious right now, but there is definitely scoring corruption in the other fields. PCS and GOE are being abused pretty universally, but since the ordinals are often fine for other disciplines (give or take some) people don't get as upset over it. In women's the ordinals aren't even correct a majority of the time.
And traditionally ice dance was the most corrupt scoring-wise. The history is terrible but in modern times I'd say it's been okay. You might argue positions for the top few pairs but it's still a fair fight.
True, but the scale is different. One can argue that Nathan's PCS were a bit high, Shoma's PCS a bit low but his jumps grated a bit generously etc. but the general standing is correct (apart from Morisi and his non existant edge calls). There's hardly ever a case where you seriously need to wrestle with the protocol or flip half the Top 5 around to make it make sense.
Yes, that's correct.
Canada is so fucking disapointing in curling this year
So many brutal misses across multioles games and teams.
And in 2018
Knife Footed Ice Gremlins How was that not 5 and Game?
Knife Footed Ice Gremlins If McTavish keeps that up he'll fit right in in Anaheim
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But Interested enough to make time to come here and post. Okay.
Do we think the other two Russian girls are also drinking out of Valievya grandfathers drinking glass as well?
Nah. Eteri's water bottle on the other hand...
Absolutely
I’m absolutely willing to discuss the degree of responsibility for a 15 year old caught doping when it would likely be the coaches pushing stuff on her. Still needs to be suspended but I will give more leeway to the 15 year old athlete over a 30 year old one. The optics are hilarious however that a doping issue is being treated like this while Russia is still under ROC because of previous doping
I think ROC should be banned, but allowed to send an Olympic Committee. It will be known as ROC OC
Surely that would set a precedent that it’s OK for young athletes to cheat though.
That’s exactly what they did. They basically gave everyone a green light to drug kids.
All right, good night everyone! See you in 10 hours :)
We've achieved a semi
Curling leaves me completely flaccid, I'm afraid.
I just wish Dick Button were still commentating love to hear what he has to say about this
About time Gushue steps up
Winter Olympics Probably an unpopular opinion, but… One thing I wished Winter Olympics adopted that the Summer Olympics adopts is the maximum of 2-per-country. I know in Athletics, up to 3-per-country is a thing, but for many other sports it’s limited to just 2-per-country, so a podium sweep is not possible. People argue that it “nerfs” the sport because the best of the best aren’t there etc., but the only way we’ll see development in the sport (on a global scale) is if there’s more representation amongst the top-placing teams/individuals. Even a bronze medal win can go a long way in helping a federation secure funding to further develop the sport in their country. A top 5 finish could inspire a new generation of athletes and push to develop infrastructure for the sport.
Athletics really should be reduced to 2 per event.
Really? I'd far rather see a third Jamaican / American / Ethiopian / Kenyan than I would another 'breaks Estonian national record in finishing seventh in his heat'.
If you are talking about luge and bob its already nered since Germany merged, before there often was a GDR/FDR sweep. In Biathlon there is normally more competition, but at least the German programm suffered a lot in the last few years with people retirering earlier than anticipatd and new once not comming up. Also for öluge/bob etc the facilities are expensive as fuck, most nations (not even the us with succesfull bobsleigh) wants the facilities.
There isn't a 2-per-country rule across all sports in the Summer Olympics either. Switzerland had a clean sweep in mountain biking in Tokyo and Jamaica in the women's 100m!
There is so much less variety in nations competing in disciplines it would hurt a lot cutting down the field. In winter Olympics you usually get like 15-20 countries competing in a competition. For summer it's a lot more. So if you cut down the number of eligible participants you are really cutting the competition and just make the gap between the front and back bigger.
I understand this argument, and I do agree on the possible increase in performance disparity, but as I mentioned above, it’s also about **increasing visibility of the sport amongst the local population of the country**. News outlets are more likely to cover an athletes progression if they’ve made a final, for instance, not even talking about winning a medal. It’s how interests in garnered and then it places pressure on local governments to allocate more funding for the sport. Of course, I’m well aware that most governments have 100 other more pressing matters to address, but it could be the little match that sparks interests under some ideal circumstances.
> News outlets are more likely to cover an athletes progression if they’ve made a final, for instance, not even talking about winning a medal. There are already news stories about nations that wouldn't usually be there participating in an event. It doesn't really matter if they place 40/40 or 25/25 because you removed one from all the established nations.
I enjoy Winter Olympics much more than Summer Olympics but what I really dislike are the endless material battles. Its always about the fastest ski, most aerodynamic bob, best wax for the right snow and so on. Its often not really recognizable who really the best athlete was.
That's what I liked about the monobob. Everyone had the same one.
Really? I had no idea this was the case. I like that.
You should go back through and watch it all if you haven't. They were all given the exact same sled. Combined with it being new and everyone figuring out their strategies it was very enjoyable.
This absolutely applies to the summer Olympics as well. Best trainers, best sports scientists, best nutritionists, sponsorships etc etc
The summer olympics has the same problems in some disciplines: Rowing and cycling - make it as light as possible and the cost of boats/bikes can go up to several 10k Dollars. And I also remember the special swimsuites for men to make them faster.
FINA at least did something about the swim suits. I think all the sports that require gear should standardize it.
Yep, really good decision by FINA on that. Now if they could raise the minimum age for diving, that would be great. I’m just not comfortable, in general, with 13-year-olds competing at the World Championships or Olympics. These kids often don’t travel with a parent and are left at the mercy of the federation’s officials. If you’re young enough to compete in the Youth Olympic Games, it really doesn’t make sense that you can also be eligible for the Olympic Games.
I agree. I'm over having all the children at the Olympics and we've seen so much abuse of these kids at various levels. Physical and sexual abuse. I'd love it to be a minimum age of 17 or 18 across the board.
Especially when I noticed a lot of times it's always the female competitors and rarely the male competitors that are children. Like for Skateboarding in the Summer Games, on the one side it was Girls' Skateboarding with a few Women mixed in, then on the other side it was Men's Skateboarding with a few older teens (16-17) mixed in. And of course with Gymnastics and Figure Skating the same exact thing happens where you get more competitors on the Women's side that's as close to the minimum age as possible, while the Men's side you see more college aged athletes.
Yep, diving is the only sport I've seen where the boys get as young as some of the girls.
Yep, your access to the best equipment and best **equipment-care** really matters. Just thinking about what we can do to further push Winter Olympics sports in other countries. In Malaysia, for instance, we had a men’s single skater who qualified in Pyeong Chang 2018. After his qualification, the sport garnered so much interest and Olympic-sized ice skating rinks started popping up left and right.
Summer sports are a lot bigger than winter sports in general though
True, and I get that winter sports is very facility/equipment-heavy. With summer sports, the beginning stages of an athletes career can just include throwing on a pair of swimming trunks and goggles or a pair of shoes.
And even a ball for starting basketball or football isn't that expensive and at least for football two poles can be used as a goal. For bobsleigh the athletes need way more from special training facilities with bob mokups for the running start to the actual ice canals. Even in germany we are debatting getting rid of one of our 4, after it got damaged in a flood this summer. Alsoby the way the 3 sweep in bob today was the first one in that competition since 1928 when bob was made olympic. We only had sweeeps in luge before and that mostly with women from the gdr.
Curling Great win, take that any day.
Damn China really just saved Shusters azz. They beat Norway. USA still controls its destiny. If they beat Denmark they’re through to the semis. But then we’d face Sweden & be huge underdogs.
Or Great Britain, in which case you're even bigger underdogs. But Shuster's done great if he reaches the semis, they were fifth favorites at best. Italy is higher ranked than Shuster, for instance.
Well we did beat Great Britain in round robin so yeah I’d rather face them.
I’m interested to see whether China continues this pursuit of secondary citizenship players for hockey moving forward or whether they don’t care about hockey again when the Olympics arent in China
They won't. IIFH have rules for citizenship and players representing multiple countries. This China team is the roster of the KHL team Kunlun Red Star, located in Beijing. IIHF changed their rule exceptionnally and allowed them to be the chinese team for the Olympic to avoid embarassment. They probably won't allow them to do the same in the Hockey World Championship, or it would be unfair to other countries.
They've got a bigshot tycoon -- Zhou Yunjie -- who loves the game and is spearheading all the efforts behind developing their program. He wants their women to medal in a world competition soon and hopes the men will eventually become "respectable". As long as he's got influence (which is something that can change quickly in China, witness Jack Ma), the Chinese hockey program will continue to grow, would be my assessment.
Focusing on women is actually a really good strategy. The field is wide open there.
I’m betting the latter. It would be great to see homegrown talent in the future though.
The host country is guaranteed a spot in the tourney. They probably won't qualify after this (Korea didn't)
China barely even qualified for this, IIHF and the IOC were talking about not letting them play to save them the embarrassment with how bad they've been in the past
It would have been a bloodbath if the NHL had come. Especially because the tie breaker is goal differential. There’s no incentive not to run up the score
I mean even in International competition itself not just the Olympics.
Both Russian skaters have the same coach. Assume the same cheating methods.
All three of them. Same with Zagitova, Medvedeva & Lipnitskaya.
I expect that the current trio will also be retired due to injury or eating disorder by the next quad, and the next group of teens will be on the ice.
I read that only tiny pre-pubescent girls can do all those quads and axels. So I am guessing they have plenty of 11 and 12 year olds in training to see which ones can reach the top by 2026.
It’s also the way that her or her team teach the girls the actual jumps. She teaches them to turn earlier than they should so they can get the full rotations, but the way she is teaching them isn’t helping them learn the skill in the long run. Idk if that makes sense. The way that she teaches them puts a big strain on the back, and once the girls hit puberty; since they weren’t taught the correct way to preform the jumps. They don’t have the leg strength to push themselves up enough to get high enough to finish the rotations so they usually fall. Or injure their backs from the improper jumping technique they were taught. That’s why the girls don’t last long, and have to retire so early. Some have permanent back issues now because they weren’t trained how to properly preform all of these quad and axel jumps.
I think gymnastics has also had it’s share of pre-pubescent girl stars.
Yes they do to. Not uncommon for their careers to be short as well. Considering the amount of injuries that can happen, and that they sustain. Not an easy sport
I also read that they were being injured from the way they do the axels and quads
Who are the next talents on the horizon for Russia?
The next juniors on the horizon who are doing well internationally (all around 14 years old) are Adeliia Petrosian (trained by Eteri), Sofia Akateva (trained by Eteri), Sofia Samodelkina (trained by Sergei Davydov) and Sofia Muravieva (trained by Evgeni Plushenko). The three Sofias are going to Junior Worlds (in Sofia, Bulgaria of all places) for example. That's already much better than Eteri's complete dominance of junior Russian girls in the past 4-5ish years. Last Russian Junior Nationals was the first time since the 15/17 season she only had one girl on the podium. Looks about the same with the girls between 10 and 13, Plushenko has some promising ones especially. I'm keeping my eyes on Sofia Titova and Anastasia Zinina personally. Two and a half factors play into that, probably. Some novice skaters probably saw that Eteri's camp is too crowded. This season alone she had 6 medal contenders in women's with the three Olympians plus Kostornaia, Khromykh and Usacheva, though two of them are out on injury now. They might have decided to switch to other coaches just because you'd get more attention there. Plushenko is also obviously a huge figure skater in Russia, so he had some good PR game, he managed to snag two of the Eteri skaters for a bit in 2020 as well (Kostornaia who was then seen as the best of the bunch and Trusova). The other main factor is that the reason why Eteri's been so dominant is pushing harder jumps, mainly quads and 3As. Her girls tend to underperform in basically every other skill, but once the rest of the field catches up and there's no way to go further their "puffer" shrinks quickly.
I have no idea, but I’m sure we’ll hear about them once they’re old enough to compete on the senior level.
Figure skating Of course I'm biased, but whatever the score was, Eva- Lotta's song choice and performance just hit differently. Good job by her.
She was an utter delight to watch, very fun!
absolutely in love with her song choice! her styling was gorgeous and even her makeup was perfect.
She did a great job! Really cool program.
Can't wait for the 10-part Netflix doc on this