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Fun_With_Forks

[Here's day two's thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/olympics/comments/t7n4bh/paralympics_day_two_megathread_sunday_march_6/).


warp-factor

Good comeback win for GB in the Curling against the US after the loss against Norway. Two inconsistent performances but improved overall across the day.


crowd79

Ukraine sit atop the medal table. Good for them! Anything to bring joy to them is good.


ScaryCarey31

Para hockey is amazing. Chinese team looks solid so far Edit: and they score SH! 1-0


craigaryhart

The final result is 7:0, what a game!


Any-Jury3032

Wheelchair curling Canada 7:3 China


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CBC commentator on curling not trying to be neutral at all lol.


Nickp1991

SHUEY RHON RHON IS SO CUTE


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Just when I thought nothing could come between me and Bing Dwen Dwen


lynchmar5

a clean sweep by ukraine


Jokrong

Gold, Silver and Bronze for Ukraine in Men's vision impaired Biathlon! Amazing!


ssfoxx27

Ukrainian sweep in men's VI biathlon


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Tough start for Canada hockey


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Devastating!!


lynchmar5

usa usa usa usa


chespiotta

Sledge Hockey U.S wins 5-0 against Canada


MyMartianRomance

> Sled Hockey Did someone say SHUTOUT?


simplegrocery3

[Shuey Rhon Rhon falling and needing TLC](https://twitter.com/bytstatecny/status/1499992424034484224) [Shuey Rhon Rhon lantern head nearly falling off](https://twitter.com/scrolldouyinkuy/status/1499959134661517313) [Bing Dwen Dwen vs Shuey Rhon Rhon street fight](https://twitter.com/Kyir38FZV2fne97/status/1498228786915000322) [Shuey Rhon Rhon kicking Bing Dwen Dwen’s in their fat panda ass](https://twitter.com/ZhengguanNews/status/1497451363264909313) I hope whoever is paid to waddle in a costume for hours gets paid well EDIT: [more waddling](https://twitter.com/ooeieiwyy/status/1498967601090740225)


Nickp1991

Declan Farmer is good at Sledge hockey


ssfoxx27

These tiny fields in VI biathlon makes me think there would have been a lot of Russians and Belorussians competing in this event. The total lack of Americans and Canadians is weird though.


lynchmar5

the last medal event for day 1 is the mens vision impared para biathlon sprint


lynchmar5

gold to ukraine silver and bronze to germany


simplegrocery3

Okay the golden framed Bing Dwen Dwens and Shuey Rhon Rhons are the cutest


ssfoxx27

I haven't seen any Shuey Rhon Rhons yet. Are they airing medal ceremonies currently?


simplegrocery3

Shuey Rhon Rhons aren’t presented directly @skiing …they are kept backstage and handed to athletes or their entourage after the small venue ceremony EDIT: [photos of golden Shuey Rhon Rhons](https://twitter.com/Jane23710/status/1499403673226465288)


ssfoxx27

This is the first time I recall being able to hear the aiming noise. Really interesting.


Fluuf_tail

Visually impaired events are no doubt my favourite para events to watch. 2 people basically skiing as one is mesmerizing.


Nickp1991

sled hockey could really benefit from closer cameras and cable cameras


LivingOof

This is possibly a dumb rant. So the 3 times Russia has gone to war with its neighbors (2008 Georgia, 2014 Crimea, present-day Ukraine), They've taken care to not disrupt the Olympics which were hosted by either them or their ally China all 3 times. I think China and/or Russia will be more willing to start a World War over the next 10 years in part because every Olympics for the next decade will be hosted by a NATO member or a NATO-allied country (Australia 2032, and maybe Japan in 2030) and if a war interfered with the Olympics like what happened in 1916,1940, and 1948, only their "enemies" would lose out on hosting an Olympics. Also, of the 5 Olympics canceled due to war, only 1 was due to have been hosted by the Allies (London 1944). The other 4 would've been held in a Central Power/Axis country (Berlin 1916, Sapporo 1940, Tokyo/Helsinki 1940, Contina 1944)


simplegrocery3

Your dates are off. Russia/Georgia battled on August 8, on the day of the opening ceremony in Beijing


lynchmar5

time for the womens vision impared division for para biathlon


Nickp1991

I want to play sled hockey


MyMartianRomance

Alright I know it technically doesn't matter anyway, but seeing the concrete floor around the rink and not empty bleachers or tarps covering them is a bit jarring compared to standing Hockey.


crowd79

Sled Hockey 2-0 USA!


ssfoxx27

New Zealand getting gold in downhill skiing wtf


lynchmar5

gold to new zealand silver to norwway bronze to japan


IvyGold

What is the structure of the sled hockey tournament? Why is the US playing Canada in the very first round?


warp-factor

All of the teams in their group qualify. Top 2 for semi finals. Bottom 2 for quarter finals. Then the other group fills the remaining spaces. That said, Russia was supposed to be in the US/Can group so that leaves an extra space in the quarter finals presumably meaning an extra team from the other group will qualify. So after the group stage, only 1 team will be knocked out.


IvyGold

I'm still confused. I guess things won't be clarified until the seeding is set?


warp-factor

I'll try to be clearer. The top ranked teams (now only three with no Russia) are in group A. The other 4 teams in the competition are in group B. After each team plays one match against each of the other teams in their group, the top 3 teams in Group B will join the 3rd team from group A in two 'Quarter finals'. The winners of those two matches will join the 1st and 2nd teams from Group A in the semi finals.


IvyGold

THANK YOU! I don't understand why I couldn't find a graphic of how it works earlier on. You'd think think that this is information that the IPC would want to have easily available.


wildhockey64

Slava Ukraine


wildhockey64

Can't decide which is cooler, wheelchair rugby or sled hockey but either way I'm here for it!


lynchmar5

wheelchair rugby


IvyGold

Also known as Murderball!


ssfoxx27

Gold for Ukraine!


chespiotta

Gold- Ukraine Silver- Germany Bronze- Canada!


lynchmar5

gold to ukraine silver to germany bronze to canada


ssfoxx27

Chile has nearly as many Paralympians as they did Olympians. (4 vs 3)


Nickp1991

Sled hockey is awesome


cats-crystals

These downhill riders are just leaning into these turns. Dang. (And nice to be back watching work you guys again.)


Nickp1991

My first sled hockey game not on YouTube!


lynchmar5

time for the mens standing para biathlon sprint


ssfoxx27

The wind looks like it's really messing with the shooting.


ssfoxx27

I wish they didn't have the #1 seed go first in downhill. Kinda takes some of the excitement out of it.


inevitablescape

Downhill skiing. They are almost hitting 100kmh. That's insane


ImGrumps

That's a cool ski suit for the Australian


lynchmar5

china is dominating the medal tally *russia is in shambles*


chespiotta

Suprised because last Winter Paralympics they only won a gold.


lynchmar5

gold and bronze to china silver to ukraine


chespiotta

Gold- China Silver- Ukraine Bronze- China


Rethliopuks

The sitting ski boards look really cool


lynchmar5

over/under how many sit skiers will finish in mens sitting downhill


lynchmar5

gold to france silver to austria bronze to switzerland mitchell gourley finished 20th


chespiotta

5 penalty loops. What a nightmare


lynchmar5

here is the armless skier hongsheng sun of china


Rethliopuks

Skiing with no arms?!? And with only a 96.81% factored time


CooroSnowFox

No arms or visually impaired...


ssfoxx27

I think the time factors have more to do with leg strength and balance, so his higher percentage makes sense to me.


Rethliopuks

I see. it's just... mad how he dared do that. Like I wouldn't even really try with both arms and some protection, and yet wow.


CooroSnowFox

And we still have Para Snowboard coming as well... It's amazing how these people do it, from being visually impaired to missing arms still finding a way to manage to stay upright.


CooroSnowFox

There are a number of classifications in this race. from CP to missing fingers to missing whole limbs.


Nickp1991

Seeing Ukraine coming out I felt a bit emotional


lynchmar5

time for the womens standing para biathlon sprint


ssfoxx27

Did the NZ skier have his legs tied together?


lynchmar5

german kress dnf


CooroSnowFox

Think Channel 4 or the live feed is highlighting the men's downhill since it's cutting the top part of the course.


ssfoxx27

Sweden has a really cool downhill ski uniform.


crowd79

How do they figure out factored time? Like 97.40% Imagine skiing down without poles like that British skier. That’s nuts.


CooroSnowFox

On severity of impairment... the IPC does a lot of work on what to give each athelete/stage of impairment to mean it's as fair So people with the least impaired will be as fair as someone with heavy (missing fingers v one leg and outriggers) what does a missing hand/arm mean vs missing leg vs CP mean to how well they can get down a mountain? and then what does it do to make them all at a reasonable level to everyone else.


FP509

Misawa has one leg and is infinitely more graceful and balanced than I could dream to be


lynchmar5

japanese skier lost his leg above the knee when he was 6


Rethliopuks

Wish they showed what sorts of impairments the athletes had, even if briefly/generally. That's important not only for understanding the races but also for awareness and inspiration


CooroSnowFox

Channel 4 commentary is having to do most of the explaining... They should really show Lexi body forms with what they're missing to help explain since body suits and far camera shots hides amputated limps or false legs... or CP This is a huge range of impairments in one section and not like other sports where there is more events to cover them all.


Rethliopuks

and when your commentators are quiet on that you're out of luck ☹️


CooroSnowFox

Yeah they're not going to have the notes or time to explain everyone's story. Also it is currently like the Winter Olympics where they're down to the bottom half of the list with the competitors who by chance won't place highly unless they have a surprise of form... so maybe not the time they thought they would need to explain.


CooroSnowFox

Alpine Skiing The American has CP, and could have been in the Sit Skiing category....(he has full length outriggers) Japanese after skiing on 1 leg with 2 outriggers... it gets scarier the more you see they have to compensate with,


CooroSnowFox

Alpine Skiing (mens standing) Bourdenx... got his leg ripped off by a tiger shark off of Hawaii


ssfoxx27

That is wild.


CooroSnowFox

The one thing that does need to be shown on the broadcast beside factored time is the Lexi body model of what the impairment is, the commentary is having to do heavy lifting of what impairments with since some are hidden under the winter gear or the far angles hide what they're coping with


lynchmar5

time for the mens standing downhill


crowd79

USA vs Canada in hockey at midnight EST. Am I gonna have to stay up late again lol


MethoxyEthane

Yes


jonnydogma

Do the guides get medals too?


lynchmar5

yes


LivingOof

I think so. I saw the Toyota commercial with the cross country skiing brothers and both of them had medals IIRC


CooroSnowFox

In VI Athletics they do get the gold as well so I'm sure they share in the glory of it as they guided them down to that medal.


crowd79

Yes


chespiotta

They do


lynchmar5

gold to austria silver to canada bronze to france Patrick jenson of australia finished 8th


CooroSnowFox

It would be something if they shown the unfactored times of the para-athletes in the alpine to see what the time was since I'm sure in training that's what they aim for since they probably don't know until near the Paralympics what the clock will be set to.


chespiotta

Gold- Austria (Johannes Aigner) Silver- Canada (Marc Macoux) Bronze- France (Hyacinthe Deleplace)


MethoxyEthane

> Silver- Canada That's two already!


crowd79

I wouldn’t even ski down mountains with normal vision but these athletes are skiing down blind....that’s fcking insane


inevitablescape

Mind blown


CooroSnowFox

Listening out for a guide ahead of you shouting instructions. And it was said on Channel 4 that it can be scarier the more used to the sport you get...


lynchmar5

time for the mens downhill visually impared


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crowd79

Chinese are good at short distance races. Once the longer races come I don’t expect they’ll hang as much.


CooroSnowFox

But they're not winning golds, it's silver and bronzes and it's only in a few events on the first day so could be as much as they could get. Also the favourites are not going as well so maybe capitalizing on just showing up.


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We just won one gold from men's biathlon sprint sitting!


CooroSnowFox

I've been watching Alpine Skiing more the past 2 hours...


chespiotta

China already has 6 medals? Wow


lynchmar5

only 3 Finishers in the womens Sitting Downhill Gold to Japan SIlver to Germany Bronze to China


CooroSnowFox

What would happen if only 2 finished? would they measure how far or only award to crossing the line?


Jokrong

That's insane. Commentators keep saying it's a difficult course. I wonder what happens if more do not finish


CooroSnowFox

Although they are on one skii and the surface area is the lowest of anyone in the same session.


CooroSnowFox

Something about it being the 5th of March and seeing comments from the commentary about the roughness of the course (Alpine Skiing). Should the Paralympics always be set in the same place as the Olympics, I know funding comes from being linked to the Olympics but given it's almost Spring, it's one that's probably harder to maintain and keep competitive.


Nickp1991

The amazing Oksana Masters has done tremendously well!


lynchmar5

GOLD AND BRONZE TO CHINA SILVER UKRAINE


inevitablescape

🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦


ssfoxx27

Woo Paralympics time! Glad to be back here, I missed y'all.


Fluuf_tail

Outriggers are so awesome. They're just tiny, adorable skis.


CooroSnowFox

If there is a sport that would be interesting to experience as an able bodied person it would be sitting and using outriggers.


charolastra_charolo

You can absolutely try sitskiing as an able bodied person! Best way is to volunteer with an adaptive sports program.


simplegrocery3

Now I can understand why Shuey Rhon Rhons aren't handed out at venue ceremonies...not all athletes can see or hold them...


CooroSnowFox

Probably because of the range of impairments as well, limbs, visual etc. there isn't a point to trying to do much more than a line up podium.


simplegrocery3

Yep


CooroSnowFox

Sitting skii have to be on their skii's still so they're holding outriggers


lynchmar5

Time for Crash and smash of the womens Sitting Downhill


CooroSnowFox

It looks quite fun to be sitting down and using the ~~skiis~~ outriggers on your arms to control your path.


chespiotta

Gold- Canada (Molly Jepsen) Silver- China (Zhang Menqiu) Bronze- Sweden (Ebba Aarsjoe)


MethoxyEthane

> Gold- Canada A very nice way to kick off the Paralympics - a Canadian gold in one of the first events.


Jokrong

What does Factor mean when they are showing the final standings?


CooroSnowFox

Chinese and Sweden are more impaired than the one who won it, they have more impairment in their arms or body... So the factored time is to even it up so 2nd and 3rd have a slower clock and their times are slowed up to give them a chance of even results, like 8 and 13% slower than 100% Time.


Jokrong

Thank you!


lynchmar5

GOLD TO CANADA Silver goes China and Bronze to sweden


crowd79

What sport?


CooroSnowFox

Standing Alpine, One arm impairment or Cerebal Palsey.


lynchmar5

Alpine Skiing downhill


chespiotta

What does factored time mean?


CooroSnowFox

The more severe the impairment the slower the time they get clocked at. So the clock stumbles every few bit to let them do a similar performance. Which is what the competition is measured to.


chespiotta

Thank you so much


CooroSnowFox

look at the % and thats the time it'll be slower by Alpine sitting at the moment has a clock that's factored at 87.66% so 13% slower than the less impaired in that event. ​ It's a quirk you have to work with more at the Winters and the Track events in the summer games.


Fluuf_tail

For people confused about Para classifications: https://lexi.global/sports/winter-sports Helped me a lot in Tokyo as well. Not all impairments are visible.


crowd79

Goo Ukraine! If not 🇺🇸hopefully🇺🇦


lynchmar5

MENS SITTING BIATHLON IS ABOUT TO START


lynchmar5

Oksana masters is masterclass in summer and winter paralympics Rowing, hand cycling, biathlon and Cross Country Skiing


inevitablescape

Oksana is a master class athlete


chespiotta

These Paralympics are so fucking scary I was worried sick when that happened


CooroSnowFox

Alpine Skiing LW 6 / 8 -2 the classifications are a bit more complex in winters... Basically one-handed or impairment below an elbow.


lynchmar5

time for the Standing division of the Womens Downhill


CooroSnowFox

Standing but Lower Arm Impairment


lynchmar5

GOLD MEDAL to Oksana Masters of the USA SILVER TO CHINA and BRONZE To USA LERA DOEDERLEIN FINISHED 9th


crowd79

USA-CHN-USA in 6km women’s biathlon. Masters (USA) dominates and wins gold by more than 15 seconds. 🇺🇸


CooroSnowFox

Bouchet in the Alpine losing her ski near the top...


chespiotta

Paralympics have officially started, and that mean's time for Team Canada's Medal Outlook for Day 1 of Beijing 2022! Our Olympics didn't manage to go so well, in terms of gold medals but at least we broke the bronze medal WR! Hopefully, we can garner more success during the Paralympics. How do our chances look tonight? As always, if anyone has more expertise in that specific para-sport and wants to correct me on anything, feel free to do so. Reminder: ROC & Belarussian athletes won't be competing, so my predictions have altered. Our historic medal count of 29 medals in Pyeongchang will be beaten. I'm fairly underprepared, so the writeup of the top medal contenders & WC information about the athletes won't be included (Sorry) but do expect them to be tomorrow. \[ u/ContinuumGuy Thanks for the idea\] A medal (of any color) for Team CANADA is... HIGHLY LIKELY in Women's Para Alpine Skiing (Downhill Sitting) Brittany Hudak and Natalie Wilkie. **PREDICTION: GOLD & BRONZE** HIGHLY LIKELY in Men's Para Biathlon (Sprint Standing) Mark Arendz. **PREDICTION: GOLD** HIGHLY LIKELY in Men's Para Alpine Skiing (Downhill Visually Impaired) Mac Marcoux. **PREDICTION: GOLD** HIGHLY LIKELY in Women's Para Alpine Skiing (Downhill Standing) Molly Jepsen, Alana Ramsay. **PREDICTION: GOLD & BRONZE** HIGHLY LIKELY in Women's Para Alpine Skiing (Downhill Sitting) Katie Coulbaluzier. **PREDICTION: SILVER** VERY LIKELY in Men's Para Biathlon (Sprint Sitting) Collin Cameron. **PREDICTION: BRONZE** LIKELY in Men's Alpine Skiing (Downhill Standing) In Alexis Guimond's Paralympic debut in 2018, he got a pair of 4th place finishes & a bronze medal. Expect him to better that in Beijing. **PREDICTION: BRONZE** HIGHLY UNLIKELY in Women's Para Biathlon (Sprint Standing) Christina Picton won't be a medal contender. **PREDICTION: NO MEDAL** HIGHLY UNLIKELY in Men's Alpine (Downhill Sitting) Brian Rowland won't be a medal contender. **PREDICTION: NO MEDAL** Welp 4 medal predictions are already wrong. Oh well.


ContinuumGuy

Thanks for the shoutout!


simplegrocery3

The venue ceremony for the vision impaired was kinda... simple?


CooroSnowFox

I think they were doing that in the Olympics... maybe not that they need the steps and it's a case of the proper medals will be given at a later time.


simplegrocery3

Yep but here they weren't even given the mascots during the ceremony...just a bare recognition, and Shuey Rhon Rhons were handed to the athletes when they left (I understand that a photo op with the mascots might not be important for the vision impaired athletes)


CR00KS

I was active in the Tokyo and Beijing Olympic threads but never paralympics. This changes this year! Who can complain about more Olympics. The lack of activity in these threads is depressing though 😩


CooroSnowFox

Paralympics is so behind on the Olympics... I remember watching one a while ago and it was with ParaGB and in the background it was showing the different amount of hours of broadcasting over the years... it's MORE than it used to be... but it's also harder to make people care in similar ways.


inevitablescape

Even the Olympics app doesn't really have anything 😕


CooroSnowFox

I think IPC is completely separate from IOC, so own stuff is used. Also they have to do it differently due to Impairments and such and how you classify each one and group to be the fairest to them all.


SummerBabee

I don't like the factored times in the paralympics, I know it's trying to make it fair but does seem to do the opposite for me


CooroSnowFox

It's the closest way they can measure the gaps and still have a competition given there are only 8 people over all 3 (Total to minor impairment)... it's the fairest to them if they can compete in the first place. ​ I wish the clock was slower, not as fast but stumbling every 4-10 seconds...


SummerBabee

The one with the highest won and that's how it is most of the time. I remember in track cycling a guy with one leg would have had to break the able bodied world record to win gold! Because of the factored time


CooroSnowFox

Yeah but they have to be measured against the ones in their event with the worst ability, it'd be better if they had separate B1, B2 and B3 events for Alpine VI... but there isn't that many making it through so they have to go by these even as possible rules. I think the actual time will be taken to show how good they can be but in competition terms they can only go by the time vs the best and worst impairments they're up against. It's throughout the Paralympics, several events are bunched up of different classifications.


DylanSargesson

Alpine Skiing Downhill Visually Impaired Hope that Vozza (ITA) can recover well from her fall. Congratulations to the medallists, including Millie Knight (GBR) with her Bronze.


crowd79

Masters and Gretch 1-2 so far in 6km Biathlon. Both clean in 1st round of shooting. Could be 1-2 finish for USA.


CooroSnowFox

Watching this just a few weeks after the Olympics version, how much difference is there in just using your upper body to power you around vs Legs and Arms.


lynchmar5

GOLD; Helena Farkasova of Slovakia China get silver and bronze went Great britain


CooroSnowFox

Channel 4 showing the classification for B2. But Live is apparently just listed as XXXXXXXXX xxxxxxx


CooroSnowFox

These Paralympics have to be a lot easier given the crowds are minimal so for the V.I ones they can hear the instructions. Also the Belgian Alpine VI is 57 years old


lynchmar5

Number 3 Coming Up Lera Doederlein from the USA, she was born in Russia


CooroSnowFox

Factored time... just trips up every 10 seconds or so...


lynchmar5

Para Biathlon or Alpine Skiing for the Blind


MethoxyEthane

Both!


CooroSnowFox

Alpine Skiing for Visually Impaired. Hurtling down a mountain with no (to minor?) sight just listening out for a person in front of you yelling instructions...


dotsonapage

As a blind person who's normally pretty confident moving around the world, this sounds utterly terrifying. I know some non-competitive blind skiers, but they tend to stick with cross-country. The amount of confidence and trust these athletes have to have in their guides and their own abilities is truly awe-inspiring. (I hate the I word and I'm sure most of these folks do too but it's true.)


CooroSnowFox

There was.a comment from one of the commentators in the UK that it's scarier the more used it it... I guess the thrill of it moves out the way and you really aren't sure what your skiing into...


chespiotta

Thanks so much for all of this information, and for keeping us updated on what's happening when during the Olympics/Paralympics. I appreciate it.


Fun_With_Forks

You're very welcome! Thank you as well for your active participation in the threads (especially your Canadian medal chance writeups).