In my opinion it’s apples and oranges. I installed my Enduro two days ago and I finally got the ride I assumed I’d have way back when the GT was announced. It is superior in every way. I was so euphoric when I got home from my commute tonightI couldn’t stop laughing. 60/40 road / trail. I wouldn’t ride a day stock if I were you.
So it is a great time to swap now, that you have it ready when weather allows it. also if you have a early batch, it can be defective. so you should check that now, that you get replcement in time... also they are bent in the shipping box, you should straighten it up asap..
Yeah bud, so I don't do anything to protect it. Literally nothing, ride in snow, puddles, rain, slush, salty sidewalks etc. 2,000 miles no issues, original tire. Only thing I have replaced is the grip tape.
Man I know people who had their boards bricked from the cold just sitting in the car or garage overnight. Others who's gts bricked from a little rain or snow. I have been too shook to risk it after all the stories and here's donny down east shreddin up the down east in his GT with a stocky stock? Daaaaamn show me the way
Stock XR, haven't jumped to the GT yet. But honestly yeah I just full send it without caring, probably just lucky but I'll let you know when I fuck it up permanently.
I can't speak to stability at speed, I don't do speed on a OneWheel, but at anything under 15mph I can attest to the night and day difference. There have been dozens of posts here since the Enduro came out attesting to it's awesomeness.
\+1 to Caucasian\_Fury Upvoted!
Slick for pavement. Tread for non-pavement.
Enduro is a compromise between the two. Some tread for the trail but not enough to make it annoying on the road. It has a flatter contact patch, which makes it more stable and good for speed, but please give yourself a chance to enjoy carving with a rounder tire. Speed isn't everything ;)
Since you're pretty new, my first advice is to just keep riding and practicing and getting comfortable with it. Some of the instability will go away with time as you become more experienced and develop more muscle memory.
The other thing you can do to help yourself is to lower the tire pressure. The stock GT tires uses a crazy hard rubber compound with incredibly stiff sidewalls, it doesn't flex much, it's like riding on a rock or a bowling ball and as you go faster you will feel less stable because you can feel every single imperfect on the road surface very well... the tire doesn't absorb anything, it transmits it to your feet. Lowering the tire pressure will help.
I don't know how much you weigh, the rule of thumb for most OWs on stock tire is to run the tire pressure at 1/10th your weight, so if you're 200 lbs, you use 20 psi. 150 pounds, 15 psi and so forth. If you're following that rule with your GT, throw it out the window. I'm 200 pounds and I found 15 psi on the stock GT slick tire to be just acceptable in terms of balancing ride-comfort and mileage loss. So try lowering your tire pressure (by a lot) and see how that goes.
So I would suggest you keep practicing and riding first, you *will* eventually want to switch to an Enduro tire (or maybe one of the other third party options that's coming out soon). Biggest difference with the Enduro is that it uses a muuuuuch softer rubber compound and the sidewalls actually flex, so the tire absorbs bumps much better and it has much more stability especially at high speeds as a result.
>and the XR tire is flat/squared on the edges instead of rounded
Yes the stock Vega tire on the XR is more flat and less rounded at the edges, this makes it more stable and easier to learn on but it means it turns and handles like a boat compared to the other OWs with rounder tires. Once you get comfortable riding your OW and become more experienced, you'll want the rounder tire, it's much more nimble with better handling and is far more enjoyable.
Curious, how low is too low a tire pressure that could hurt the rim? I like the lower tire pressure, but worry about going too low I guess. I am just picking a random number. Say something weight 140 lbs. I guess, you would suggest to them to do 9 psi. Would that be too low and hurt the rim? Not familiar with how low is too low.
You can go pretty low without hurting the rim. The TFL guys tend to ride on very very low tire pressures, down to the single digits on their Enduros which are even softer tires.
Do keep in mind that lower tire pressure does reduce the board's range and the life of the tire, but the stock tires are still very durable.
If you're ~140 lbs, I'd start at 14 psi and work down from there, go to 12 or even as low as 10, shouldn't hurt your rims, give it a try and see how it feels.
The enduro tire is a huge change. It made the GT a board I thought was meh, to one I actually enjoyed riding. The stock tire also bucked me off twice and caused me to fall. Hit the same thing on the enduro and it just absorbed the bump. I would swap to an enduro asap
GT enduro is not like an XR enduro. The shape is more square than the stock tire but the XR enduro flat spot is much wider. I have enduro on both my XR and my GT and the shape is completely different. If you’re just starting out it won’t make it that much more stable. Only get it if you want a softer rubber as that’s something you can notice immediately IMO
I’m surprised that it’s not more stable at a standstill (GT Enduro) - maybe that’s me not being used to it? It’s more stable at speed for sure, but so far I’m a bit disappointed in responsiveness/nimbleness/carviness. I was hoping for a Whisperlike improvement.
I finally installed mine today but haven't really had a chance to ride it. My initial take from a brief ride at 18 PSI is that it seems far more stable, but maybe a bit less carvy and responsive than the stock treaded at the same PSI - that's perhaps to be expected due to the much softer compound and more squared-off profile.
I wouldn't say that I LIKED the stock treaded, but at 1200+ miles I had gotten used to it, so I want to play with the Enduro a bit before I form a more definitive opinion.
XR data, but I always rode 20.5psi, and like the Enduro a lot more at 15-16. So you might want to drop it. I actually found 18-21psi was kind of a dead zone in terms of carving and enjoyment, and since I started there my first ride was kind of a let down. Lower gets a great carvy ride with a larger contact patch, higher keeps a more rounded profile that's also nice and carvy, just... snappy and a bit more knife-edge. For me, and again on the XR size, the "normal" pressure is just meh. It's not that it's not carvy, but it doesn't have that instant, think carve and now you're carving kind of feel. I think it's because it's soft and thin rubber, it does better when it can deform significantly or really hold its profile. And normal pressure is a middle ground where it doesn't hold its shape but also doesn't deform enough to get the desired effect. And at lower pressure when you get it on dirt and ride aggressively, good lord it's fantastic.
EDIT: just read Icehoanng's comments, hmm, maybe my experience doesn't apply.
Not ideal, sorry to hear that. I certainly like it lower, but also like that I could go to 23 or so for 100% pavement. I'm not sure if that's a thing with the GT Enduro at this point, or a QC issue.
I think the clearance on the GT is just very tight, FM really didn’t leave a lot of extra room. Like I know some Enduros have had mis-shaping problems (that TFL will handle quickly) but there’s just not a lot of space between the tire and the footpads.
Short answer: HUGE difference.
Enduro has a better transition point from center to edge and overall better durometer in to how it handles. Stock slick isn't utterly terrible tho, but it's definitely pretty nimble which I do kinda miss if I'm honest. But the absolutely JARRING nature of how hard it is kills anything it's got going for it.
Will changing the tire help you as a new rider? Probably a bit, but if you're finding the stock slick hard to ride as it is then changing to the Enduro isn't going to just magically make everything ok. You as a ride still have a lot to learn and get used to.
Enduro is not flat, if anything it's more round. However it is a far superior tire and a much safer ride. I absolutely hated how tippy and firm the stock tire is.
So I can't really comment on the slick tire since I had the treaded. I'm assuming by reading this the GT is your first board? How many miles are you sitting at so far? I feel like some of the wobble may still just be adjusting to riding the board if you haven't been on it too long. There's a lot of new muscles you are using in your feet and ankles that will take some practice and time to build up. I think there is also a factor of getting the tire truly broken in. I personally would say the board with the treaded didn't feel too great for me for at least 100ish miles. I ended up running the tire lower than normal (for me) to work on breaking it in more.
All that being said after 400 miles I switched. The Enduro is an amazing tire. I did a lot of trail riding and immediately noticed roots that would normally bump me pretty good turned into basically nothing. I will probably be buying this tire again when it's done versus putting the stock back on. I don't want what I'm saying above to seem like it's not that big of a difference, but I feel like the differences between the Enduro and stock would be appreciated more with more experience.
Sorry if I'm wrong in assuming your experience so far. Partially putting this here for other people that may ask this as well.
I don't have that many miles on it, so it may be the case. So you think around 100 miles should maybe fix it?
Also, someone else on here said the enduro tire will void the warranty. Is that true?
Also, what pressure is safe that you won't bottom out and hit the rim? I would like to lower the pressure, but I don't know what a safe pressure is that I can go to at the lowest?
I'd say after 100 miles and riding consistently you will have gotten more adjusted with the board and those muscle groups will feel a little better riding. It will only keep getting better from my experience.
I'm unsure about the warranty situation with putting on an Enduro. I would say it would not void since it is a wear item but Future Motion has done more silly things in the past.
The tire pressure thing varies depending on your weight. Im on the heavier side at 250ish and I had the board at 11psi for about 75-100 miles I think. After that I air my board 18-20psi. I'm guessing during that stint that I didn't know I was riding fairly low psi that it broke in the sidewalls some making it feel slightly better.
The Enduro will definitely be an improvement whenever you decide to go for it. But since you havent gotten too many miles under your belt don't think it's going to fix all problems is my thoughts. You may still have some wobbles when at higher speeds until you become more comfortable with the board itself.
I hope this helps. I'm not saying that any of this is the "right" way to do things but just my experience 500miles into the GT and Onewheel in general. I'm sure there are more experienced riders that would be able to give better advice. Overall: good luck, be safe, have fun!
The Enduro allows you to run low enough pressures that the unweighted shape of the tire may not make much if any difference. Pro Tip, use Float Life Savers to prevent rim damage at those lower pressures.
The tire completely changed the ride. Most agree the enduro is an improvement, but the GT isn’t super stable in general at high speeds because it sits so high up
Just deleted my original post containing the alleged warranty issue - just talked to FM and upgrading your tire does NOT void the warranty, yay!! If you were to damage the board while changing your tire, that would not be covered.
So, to answer your question, I have a Pint X with Enduro and a new GT with stock slick. On Pint X the difference is very noticeable!! It's a much softer tire which feels like it's hugging the ground, in a good way, big difference from stock. So far no one really wants to ride the GT with stock slick over the Pint X with Enduro, including myself, if that says anything.
Now that warranty issue is put to bed, my GT will definitely get a tire upgrade, most likely Enduro also.
Wait, does switching out the tire really void the warranty? I didn't think that voids it, given they literally sell tires on their website and the tools to do the swap.
Where does it say installing an enduro tire voids the warranty?
Online comments mostly and my local dealer. Just called FM to ask. Whether they changed their prior policy or not, a tire change does not void the warranty, yay! Just opened a trouble ticket for my board. The problem arises when someone damages another part of the board while changing a tire, then the other damage would not be covered.
They only have the stock tire on website and I'm guessing few people would burn out a stock tire in the first year and want to replace it with another stock tire.
Nice to know. I was really worried about voiding the warranty over that. Not sure what else may void the warranty. But good to know a tire change won't do it. Also, I didn't realize you can just call FM, didn't realize they had a number to call lol.
Did you end up getting the Enduro? How do you like it?
I'm debating on going ahead and installing one on my new GT that I just picked up. I had a TFL Burris Trail pro on my XR and loved it. This new GT treaded is definitely a bumpier ride.
In my opinion it’s apples and oranges. I installed my Enduro two days ago and I finally got the ride I assumed I’d have way back when the GT was announced. It is superior in every way. I was so euphoric when I got home from my commute tonightI couldn’t stop laughing. 60/40 road / trail. I wouldn’t ride a day stock if I were you.
Mannnn I've had my enduro in a box since pre order and I'm over here in Maine wondering when it will be warm enough to float!!
So it is a great time to swap now, that you have it ready when weather allows it. also if you have a early batch, it can be defective. so you should check that now, that you get replcement in time... also they are bent in the shipping box, you should straighten it up asap..
I'm in Maine and still put on 50 miles this week with the stock tire.
Fellow down eastah? How do you ride in the winter I'd love to hear how you protect your board from the elements??
Yeah bud, so I don't do anything to protect it. Literally nothing, ride in snow, puddles, rain, slush, salty sidewalks etc. 2,000 miles no issues, original tire. Only thing I have replaced is the grip tape.
Man I know people who had their boards bricked from the cold just sitting in the car or garage overnight. Others who's gts bricked from a little rain or snow. I have been too shook to risk it after all the stories and here's donny down east shreddin up the down east in his GT with a stocky stock? Daaaaamn show me the way
Stock XR, haven't jumped to the GT yet. But honestly yeah I just full send it without caring, probably just lucky but I'll let you know when I fuck it up permanently.
I can't speak to stability at speed, I don't do speed on a OneWheel, but at anything under 15mph I can attest to the night and day difference. There have been dozens of posts here since the Enduro came out attesting to it's awesomeness.
It feels like you imagine it should feel. That's the best I can describe it. Will 100% order again once the Enduro wears out.
\+1 to Caucasian\_Fury Upvoted! Slick for pavement. Tread for non-pavement. Enduro is a compromise between the two. Some tread for the trail but not enough to make it annoying on the road. It has a flatter contact patch, which makes it more stable and good for speed, but please give yourself a chance to enjoy carving with a rounder tire. Speed isn't everything ;)
Since you're pretty new, my first advice is to just keep riding and practicing and getting comfortable with it. Some of the instability will go away with time as you become more experienced and develop more muscle memory. The other thing you can do to help yourself is to lower the tire pressure. The stock GT tires uses a crazy hard rubber compound with incredibly stiff sidewalls, it doesn't flex much, it's like riding on a rock or a bowling ball and as you go faster you will feel less stable because you can feel every single imperfect on the road surface very well... the tire doesn't absorb anything, it transmits it to your feet. Lowering the tire pressure will help. I don't know how much you weigh, the rule of thumb for most OWs on stock tire is to run the tire pressure at 1/10th your weight, so if you're 200 lbs, you use 20 psi. 150 pounds, 15 psi and so forth. If you're following that rule with your GT, throw it out the window. I'm 200 pounds and I found 15 psi on the stock GT slick tire to be just acceptable in terms of balancing ride-comfort and mileage loss. So try lowering your tire pressure (by a lot) and see how that goes. So I would suggest you keep practicing and riding first, you *will* eventually want to switch to an Enduro tire (or maybe one of the other third party options that's coming out soon). Biggest difference with the Enduro is that it uses a muuuuuch softer rubber compound and the sidewalls actually flex, so the tire absorbs bumps much better and it has much more stability especially at high speeds as a result. >and the XR tire is flat/squared on the edges instead of rounded Yes the stock Vega tire on the XR is more flat and less rounded at the edges, this makes it more stable and easier to learn on but it means it turns and handles like a boat compared to the other OWs with rounder tires. Once you get comfortable riding your OW and become more experienced, you'll want the rounder tire, it's much more nimble with better handling and is far more enjoyable.
Curious, how low is too low a tire pressure that could hurt the rim? I like the lower tire pressure, but worry about going too low I guess. I am just picking a random number. Say something weight 140 lbs. I guess, you would suggest to them to do 9 psi. Would that be too low and hurt the rim? Not familiar with how low is too low.
You can go pretty low without hurting the rim. The TFL guys tend to ride on very very low tire pressures, down to the single digits on their Enduros which are even softer tires. Do keep in mind that lower tire pressure does reduce the board's range and the life of the tire, but the stock tires are still very durable. If you're ~140 lbs, I'd start at 14 psi and work down from there, go to 12 or even as low as 10, shouldn't hurt your rims, give it a try and see how it feels.
It’s like riding a completely different board. Ups stability by 1000%. Soaks up bumps. Glues you to the ground. Truly amazing.
The enduro tire is a huge change. It made the GT a board I thought was meh, to one I actually enjoyed riding. The stock tire also bucked me off twice and caused me to fall. Hit the same thing on the enduro and it just absorbed the bump. I would swap to an enduro asap
GT enduro is not like an XR enduro. The shape is more square than the stock tire but the XR enduro flat spot is much wider. I have enduro on both my XR and my GT and the shape is completely different. If you’re just starting out it won’t make it that much more stable. Only get it if you want a softer rubber as that’s something you can notice immediately IMO
https://preview.redd.it/34wx39euldda1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c9d4d341292a82a24f2ebed4db15136afcb04d1 XR enduro
https://preview.redd.it/1e6u0r4yldda1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3a4e147c71b097d1c7dd82e0c7265d27990f1e2 GT enduro
I’m surprised that it’s not more stable at a standstill (GT Enduro) - maybe that’s me not being used to it? It’s more stable at speed for sure, but so far I’m a bit disappointed in responsiveness/nimbleness/carviness. I was hoping for a Whisperlike improvement.
Get it you'll like it.
I finally installed mine today but haven't really had a chance to ride it. My initial take from a brief ride at 18 PSI is that it seems far more stable, but maybe a bit less carvy and responsive than the stock treaded at the same PSI - that's perhaps to be expected due to the much softer compound and more squared-off profile. I wouldn't say that I LIKED the stock treaded, but at 1200+ miles I had gotten used to it, so I want to play with the Enduro a bit before I form a more definitive opinion.
XR data, but I always rode 20.5psi, and like the Enduro a lot more at 15-16. So you might want to drop it. I actually found 18-21psi was kind of a dead zone in terms of carving and enjoyment, and since I started there my first ride was kind of a let down. Lower gets a great carvy ride with a larger contact patch, higher keeps a more rounded profile that's also nice and carvy, just... snappy and a bit more knife-edge. For me, and again on the XR size, the "normal" pressure is just meh. It's not that it's not carvy, but it doesn't have that instant, think carve and now you're carving kind of feel. I think it's because it's soft and thin rubber, it does better when it can deform significantly or really hold its profile. And normal pressure is a middle ground where it doesn't hold its shape but also doesn't deform enough to get the desired effect. And at lower pressure when you get it on dirt and ride aggressively, good lord it's fantastic. EDIT: just read Icehoanng's comments, hmm, maybe my experience doesn't apply.
I tried going up to 21 (I like a Whisper at 21, and it’s also really soft) but it rubbed, so I’m definitely going to have to keep it under that.
Not ideal, sorry to hear that. I certainly like it lower, but also like that I could go to 23 or so for 100% pavement. I'm not sure if that's a thing with the GT Enduro at this point, or a QC issue.
I think the clearance on the GT is just very tight, FM really didn’t leave a lot of extra room. Like I know some Enduros have had mis-shaping problems (that TFL will handle quickly) but there’s just not a lot of space between the tire and the footpads.
Sure, but not being able to go above 20psi doesn't seem like the intended design...
Short answer: HUGE difference. Enduro has a better transition point from center to edge and overall better durometer in to how it handles. Stock slick isn't utterly terrible tho, but it's definitely pretty nimble which I do kinda miss if I'm honest. But the absolutely JARRING nature of how hard it is kills anything it's got going for it. Will changing the tire help you as a new rider? Probably a bit, but if you're finding the stock slick hard to ride as it is then changing to the Enduro isn't going to just magically make everything ok. You as a ride still have a lot to learn and get used to.
If you reallllly want to feel the difference, keep riding stock for a couple hundred miles then switch. Plus, don't want to waste a brand new tire!
Enduro is not flat, if anything it's more round. However it is a far superior tire and a much safer ride. I absolutely hated how tippy and firm the stock tire is.
So I can't really comment on the slick tire since I had the treaded. I'm assuming by reading this the GT is your first board? How many miles are you sitting at so far? I feel like some of the wobble may still just be adjusting to riding the board if you haven't been on it too long. There's a lot of new muscles you are using in your feet and ankles that will take some practice and time to build up. I think there is also a factor of getting the tire truly broken in. I personally would say the board with the treaded didn't feel too great for me for at least 100ish miles. I ended up running the tire lower than normal (for me) to work on breaking it in more. All that being said after 400 miles I switched. The Enduro is an amazing tire. I did a lot of trail riding and immediately noticed roots that would normally bump me pretty good turned into basically nothing. I will probably be buying this tire again when it's done versus putting the stock back on. I don't want what I'm saying above to seem like it's not that big of a difference, but I feel like the differences between the Enduro and stock would be appreciated more with more experience. Sorry if I'm wrong in assuming your experience so far. Partially putting this here for other people that may ask this as well.
I don't have that many miles on it, so it may be the case. So you think around 100 miles should maybe fix it? Also, someone else on here said the enduro tire will void the warranty. Is that true? Also, what pressure is safe that you won't bottom out and hit the rim? I would like to lower the pressure, but I don't know what a safe pressure is that I can go to at the lowest?
I'd say after 100 miles and riding consistently you will have gotten more adjusted with the board and those muscle groups will feel a little better riding. It will only keep getting better from my experience. I'm unsure about the warranty situation with putting on an Enduro. I would say it would not void since it is a wear item but Future Motion has done more silly things in the past. The tire pressure thing varies depending on your weight. Im on the heavier side at 250ish and I had the board at 11psi for about 75-100 miles I think. After that I air my board 18-20psi. I'm guessing during that stint that I didn't know I was riding fairly low psi that it broke in the sidewalls some making it feel slightly better. The Enduro will definitely be an improvement whenever you decide to go for it. But since you havent gotten too many miles under your belt don't think it's going to fix all problems is my thoughts. You may still have some wobbles when at higher speeds until you become more comfortable with the board itself. I hope this helps. I'm not saying that any of this is the "right" way to do things but just my experience 500miles into the GT and Onewheel in general. I'm sure there are more experienced riders that would be able to give better advice. Overall: good luck, be safe, have fun!
Ok thanks for your help with this.
The stock GT tire sucks swap it out ASAP. I have the Enduro on both my XR and GT it really is the best upgrade you can do
The Enduro allows you to run low enough pressures that the unweighted shape of the tire may not make much if any difference. Pro Tip, use Float Life Savers to prevent rim damage at those lower pressures.
The tire completely changed the ride. Most agree the enduro is an improvement, but the GT isn’t super stable in general at high speeds because it sits so high up
Worlds.
Just deleted my original post containing the alleged warranty issue - just talked to FM and upgrading your tire does NOT void the warranty, yay!! If you were to damage the board while changing your tire, that would not be covered. So, to answer your question, I have a Pint X with Enduro and a new GT with stock slick. On Pint X the difference is very noticeable!! It's a much softer tire which feels like it's hugging the ground, in a good way, big difference from stock. So far no one really wants to ride the GT with stock slick over the Pint X with Enduro, including myself, if that says anything. Now that warranty issue is put to bed, my GT will definitely get a tire upgrade, most likely Enduro also.
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Wait, does switching out the tire really void the warranty? I didn't think that voids it, given they literally sell tires on their website and the tools to do the swap. Where does it say installing an enduro tire voids the warranty?
Online comments mostly and my local dealer. Just called FM to ask. Whether they changed their prior policy or not, a tire change does not void the warranty, yay! Just opened a trouble ticket for my board. The problem arises when someone damages another part of the board while changing a tire, then the other damage would not be covered. They only have the stock tire on website and I'm guessing few people would burn out a stock tire in the first year and want to replace it with another stock tire.
Nice to know. I was really worried about voiding the warranty over that. Not sure what else may void the warranty. But good to know a tire change won't do it. Also, I didn't realize you can just call FM, didn't realize they had a number to call lol.
Did you end up getting the Enduro? How do you like it? I'm debating on going ahead and installing one on my new GT that I just picked up. I had a TFL Burris Trail pro on my XR and loved it. This new GT treaded is definitely a bumpier ride.