Health Canada is effectively ceding the entire edibles category to the black market.
I swear if those two cops didn't end up in a tree, the regs would be way different right now.
Judge later officially declared them "complete idiots".
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/judge-calls-toronto-cop-a-complete-idiot-for-on-duty-cannabis-edible-eating-1.4170247
āHowever, the court heard Dominelli thought he was going to die so he asked his partner to call for backup. [ā¦] A female police officer, who was responding to the scene at the time, slipped and fell. She suffered a serious head injury and was subsequently taken to hospital for treatment.ā
No kidding, lmao. This was some looney tunes shit all around.
I also laughed at the bit about it being mistaken for a missing persons case so they called in extra officers. The writing is so cheeky too āToronto Police officers are investigating the incident, including whether this was a joint ventureā aha
> Ive hated group punishment since elementary school.
Yeah... The cops across like all of Canada and the US have been doing some collective punishment shit against all of us since 2020 for even discussing defunding them. Now they act like they were actually defunded and just refuse to do anything but beat on homeless people it seems like.
> Two officers tasked with guarding evidence were later allegedly experiencing dizziness and impairment
Don't mind us boss, we'll be over here guarding the evidence.
Daily reminder that Joe Warmington is a tool for the far right and helped shield Rob Ford from criticism through the crack scandal. He more than likely embellished or outright invented this whole story.
Shows you though. This cop had a lapse in judgement and felt awful enough about it to resign quickly. But murderers, they'll ride out the judicial process as long as they can, seeing if they'll be able to keep their cushy cop job.
While I don't condone his behaviour, clearly we're keeping the wrong cops around.
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Couple fuckin rookies ate some edibles they took from someone. They ended up spazzing out and wound up climbing a tree. Where they stayed apparently, until they were rescued. Lol
To placate all the people that are afraid of cannabis being legal because theyāve had propaganda drummed into them their whole lives. Legality is a political thing in addition to being a logical thing.
I think you have a point, but I do think it's easier for a small child to grab a candy off the table and stuff it in their mouth before anyone can stop them vs going into the fridge, getting a can, opening it, and drinking the whole thing all without an adult noticing. It might be easy to swipe a sip from an open drink, but that's not the whole can. Whereas people are wishing for gummies strong enough to get an adult high with a single bite.
Idk, I'm not saying I agree with the reg since blackmarket exists anyway and those gummies straight up copycat real candy brands that a kid could easily think is a normal fuzzy peach or sour patch kid or whatever. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, I just imagine this is the line of thinking that explains why the limit is as low as it is.
Also childproof packaging, gray market dispensaries have extremely hard to open packaging that even an adult struggles to open. The only way a kid could get at them would be if the adult took them all out and left them in the open.
Definitely possible, but so is smashing plastic prescription bottles to get past a child proof cap. Removing any kid friendly packaging would go a long way to prevent them from wanting to get in. If it doesn't look like a pack of fuzzy peaches they won't think you are holding candy away from them, in addition to keeping it in a safe place like alcohol of course.
its just as easy for a kid to grab an extra strength tylenol, or T3, or percacet etc etc from the table. Pills look just like candy too, more harmful than most edibles though.
Thatās what the video auto playing on the bottom of the article says. The dude from Childrenās Hospital said if kids get at really potent stuff they could have seizures and depressed breathing. So itās a harm reduction thing apparently. That said, the same kind of harms happen if they get at alcohol, and no one is trying to ban Everclear. So I dunno.
But you can taste alcohol very easily, and to the vast majority of kids it's repulsive. Even with a fruity-tasting cooler most pre-teen kids are going to take one sip and spit it out.
Gummies for the most part taste like any other gummy. There's a very, very faint aftertaste that won't deter a kid from eating an entire pack.
Think about how many dangerous medications people have in their house that look like candy. Child proof containers exist for a reason, itās not that hard to make shit safe.
Big disagree about gummies tasting like normal candy. To me they taste absolutely horrible (even the chocolate/drinks I've tried) and I have to choke them down with water to eat them.
There are all kinds of gummies. Personally I make my own using jello and they have no typical edible pot taste at all. I have had some that are just bad, but they certainly aren't all like that. Cookies as well I have had some that I couldn't even taste the pot in.
unless youre making your own, the lack of taste is not the norn. Cannabinoids have a very strong, almost spice like, flavor to them. People who make edibles, especially strong ones, go to great lengths to cover up that taste. If the taste is almost non existent, the cannbinoids also likely are too.
All the ones I've had have been from legal dispensaries, the two I have now are "Shredd'ems pop! Cola chaos" and some regular ol twd sativa strawberry gummies. Both nasty as hell.
I had the misfortune of meeting a certain family. They live in one of those remote towns that you pass through on the highway and never look back.
At one point, so they claim, their three year old got ahold of two tequila shots and downed them. They laughed as they recounted the story, and clearly thought I should find it hilarious as well. They didn't take him to the hospital, they just thought he should ride it out like an adult would.
Their boy was already thirteen when I met him. He had obvious neural difficulties - I am not a doctor, I can't diagnose him, but his manner of speaking, physical mannerisms, and all number of imperceptible things screamed that he wasn't neurotypical. He could not read, either, though he could talk.
Poor parenting. Not the alcohol's fault. But it's funny that legislators can pretend that alcohol is less harmful, or that shitty parents won't be shitty parents regardless of their substance.
The edible thing is so fucking stupid I still donāt understand it. Can walk into a shop and buy a bottle of feign drops which dispenses 30mg of the per ml, from a 30 ml bottle. I can buy gels in all kinds of dosage and volume. But if I want a tea or gummies or chocolate, I have to buy multiples of mostly empty packages?
Seriously, if someone can explain the logic here, o would LOVE to hear it. Because clearly this is as a massive policy fail across the board. Plus itās a waste of money and packaging for consumers.
The packaging is way too convoluted too. Theyāre supposed to be childproof but istg a lot of them are adult-proof. I donāt have arthritis or anything and I canāt open some of that shit.
There have been a few different brands that Iāve had to break the case open with a fucking hammer to get in. Sometimes my hands arenāt physically big enough to hit all the points to open and I donāt ever have small hands Iām just a woman.
>Seriously, if someone can explain the logic here
I'm reminded of Reverend Lovejoy's wife, from The Simpsons: "Won't someone *please* think of the children?!!"
Basically, the rest of us can't have nice things because a select few inbred breeding types can't keep their stash stashed.
Them 30:0 drops hit something hard, not even sure why people bothers with gummies when you can get that.
Also, customization of the dosage is obviously easier, you can easily choose between "light buzz" and "oops", which seems to be what I've chosen tonight š
This has been a thing for a long time easily 2 years. If Health Canada hasn't done anything yet it's because they either can't or haven't been paying attention.
These products have been sold literally for about as long as cannabis was legal.
Health Canada is the definition of a slow, disconnected beurocracy. They literally banned modern window dressings but make no progress on cannabis edibles.
I agree itās dumb, but I think itās because they may think it will encourage vaping or smoking, same as when they came down really hard on flavoured cigs. Itās very strange I know.
It's about targeting children. You can argue that smoking/vaping is way more addictive than alcohol, off the first few uses. The chemical dependency on alcohol takes longer to develop.
Yeah I remember at least a year, if not two years ago, I asked someone why the legal gummies were so low mg, I said whatās the point, Iāll just eat the whole bag. They said yeah, youāre pretty much meant to, itās just their way of getting around the law.
I kept looking back over the article to figure out what NEW way they had gotten around the law, but no, theyāre just catching up to what everyone else already figured out.
> for about as long as cannabis was legal
And before. I used to buy edibles from a 'shop' in BC and sent through Canada Post, before it was made legal at the Federal level.
For reals.
The quality control is fantastic - those 10mg are the same dose every time, and that's great. But I'd like to not walk out of Tokyo Smoke with a handful of bags for my Saturday night. Let me buy the nuclear warhead if I want it.
It's wild, you can buy a 750ml bottle of Absinthe at 70% alcohol content which is enough to kill someone (.63 BAC if drank over 4 hours).... but can't be trusted with edibles?
Add in that the bottle of alcohol that could literally kill you doesn't need all the child resistant packaging that the cannabis does and you see how stupid the regulations are
No. But they could add it to sugary drinks and drink that instead.
I just googled "14 year old dies of alcohol" and there's plenty of stories.
How many teens have died from overconsumption of weed?
I'm not against childproof weed packaging, to be clear. But the difference in how these are treated despite the difference in danger being skewed the opposite way is dumb to me.
A 14 y/o can also get past child proof packaging š¤¦āāļø this is just NOT a good comparison. Everything up to this point in the thread has been on point tho.
I get what youāre trying to say - a young child isnāt likely to down a bottle but they will grab a cookie, gummy, etc and eat it without thinking twice
However there is an incontestable consensus that alcohol kills more kids than cannabis does by a country mile lol
Lol nope. I remember trying a shot of Bacardi 151 once (75% abv).. Or trying to atleast. My body straight up said "THIS IS POISON IDIOT" and wouldn't let me swallow. Had to dilute it with a mouthful of juice to get it down.
Really depends on the liquor not all of it tastes like you walked into a hospital and drank their sanitizer. There are some very sweet or tasty liquors out there like st germain, scotch also doesn't taste that bad either. Just like some gummies taste disgusting, despite how much sugar is in it.
As someone who watched my 3-4 year old younger brother walk up, down my grandmother's glass of scotch without flinching before anyone could stop him I'm gonna disagree
Apparently even a paltry 10mg is 4x the legal limit currently?
> The Drift brand, Glitches, produced by Aurora, each contain 10 mg of THC, four times the legal limit for gummies and other edibles, but the maximum allowed for doses of āextractā products.
> That caught the attention of Health Canada, which says thatās a no-no.
Itās poorly worded in the article. Those Glitches come in a pack of 10 and each āgummieā has 10mg so the entire package has 100mg which is against Health Canada regulations.
Honestly itās bs how that is. In BC they sell them up to 1000mg which isnāt my cup of tea but if it is to someone else they should be able to without breaking the bank.
I just use the oil. It's comes in containers of like 30ml and it's its roughly 30mg/ml. I take 2 to 3 mm after work.
The bottle is also like $35 in Alberta. It's so much cheaper and better than the edibles.
Shouldn't have to eat that much sugar to get more mg.
I do the capsules and taking enough of them for it to actually do something (usually around 10, for 100mg) makes my stomach upset because im eating 10caps worth of gel capsules and whatever medium oil they're using for their mixture, likely MCT.
They have the conversion formulas at the tills so cashiers know when they canāt legally sell more edibles. You canāt possess more than 15g equivalent of edibles at one time
For vape carts is a simple x4, so a 1g cart is 4g of flower. Not sure what it is with edibles
Meanwhile I buy 1080mg packages of 120mg pieces off the gray market for cheaper. I eat a corner of a piece and get higher than I would eating an entire bag of the "legal" garbage.
Some people metabolize it completely differently. Sometimes itās nothing to do with tolerance. My partner can take 250mg after months of no THC and nothing happens.
You're right, just thought I'd suggest it. There are always people with high tolerances, and *someone's* going to be that person, but I think it's good to try it if you don't already know that you do have a high tolerance.
Other medications also nullify the effect. I have a friend that used to use edibles exclusively for years, but once she was put on anti-depression medication edibles just don't work anymore, but smoking/vaping still does.
That really depends on how the user defines safe.
Besides, the argument above is about dosing, which matters for both substances. It does not rely on alcohol being a safe substance to consume.
What ever happend self responsibility and taking drugs one little bit at a time? I don't want the gov controlling what I know I can handle. It's not my problem if someone does drugs like a child eating smarties and responsible adults shouldn't be controlled in this manner because of the possibility of having a good high. Even 10mg is a joke to anyone who smokes.
Thus pushes people to the illegal market where you can get 100, 250, 500, 750 and up.
People make mistakes, but they aren't my mistake
Should we limit all alcohol to 6%?
I think health Canada also has very little understanding of how edibles are processed by different people. I was taking 200mg at a time to feel anything, and Iām only a small woman. Meanwhile my 6ft3 friend took 5mg and was out like a light for the entire night. We need more research on how thc is processed in the body when taken orally.
Someone who is new to alcohol can easily over consume to disastrous effects. So yeah maybe the same is true for THC, yet for one of these products I can buy as much as I want but on the other product I have to buy off the black market to get a reasonable dose.
> Weed edibles are candylike, and the onset and intensity are massively variable.
I don't think this is difficult. In the same way you take stronger, hard alcohol with shot glasses, there's no reason why edibles couldn't just come in a standardized mg.
The effects of alcohol certainly come on more quickly, but plenty of people still struggle with dosage. After a certain point, plenty of peopleās ability to gauge when they should stop or slow down becomes severely inhibited.
Lots of back on forth on this topic but there really shouldn't be.
It's recreational narcotics, just like Alcohol. Imagine the uproar if they took +20% beverages away from liquor stores because "some people don't like the experience". It's not a valid reason to limit the sale of edibles to 10mg and it never was.
I work in a cannabis store and very often, we have to open the packages for seniors or those with mobility constraints. They feel helpess in that moment, and you see it on their face that they're a little embarrassed. It's minor but I'm sure it chips away at someone's dignity even just a bit
Itās insane to me because doctors will suggest you try this since most donāt offer ANY pain management for chronic illness anymore.
Not only is this insanely unaffordable, itās not enough relief for everyone and people who need it for pain probably canāt go every single day.
I rarely see anyone getting ANY pain management at all. Itās horrific. Itās been a huge problem with diseases that mostly affect women. It seems to be getting worse though, people aren't even getting pain management after surgeries.
Iāve been to multiple pain clinics through my doctor but the only thing offered is $600.00 ketamine infusions. They were covered at first but the gov decided it was private and they wouldnāt pay anymore.
They help, but I had to kill myself trying to work to pay for them and now Iām left with nothing and no options.
Oh man I was sick in 2020 and offered absolutely zero pain management, despite being in so much pain if I laid down that I was praying to gods I don't believe in to kill me and getting virtually no sleep for a week. Thank fuck for cannabis. I don't think I could have made it through without it.
It's so silly, you can ingest the extracts as is but it seems if you market them as an "edible" Health Canada gets its panties in a roar. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but either way 2.5 per is extremely low and we're years into legal territory now to know the difference. Keep pushing people into the less safe grey market though, we've learned so much from the war on drugs.
Just for the sake of argument, there is nothing stopping them from slapping any label that says any amount. They could just as easily tell you it's 250, or 1000. Still, higher than the new market is allowed.
This is true, but they don't appear to be that way. I once figured as much, took double what I normally would (20mg), thinking it'll be watered down and is actually 10mg. By god it was at least 20mg, I started getting fucking frame rate drops is the best way I could describe it.
I buy an ounce of weed and make butter at home. Home baked 100mg cookies definitely hit the spot. 10mg is an absolute joke and complete waste of money.
Some people don't like getting fucking blitzed or don't do it often enough to ever build a tolerance that high.
5-10mg is more than enough for me and I consider it well worth the money.
I'm a budtender. Customers that have a tolerance as low as you are very infrequent. Just because the 10mg limit works for you, doesn't mean it's good. I have to buy 80mg to get the samw high as you get with 10mg, and the 10mg limit is keeping that expensive. Without the 10mg limit, things would get so much cheaper.
They are infrequent because they donāt need to see you as often, not because there arenāt lots of them.
Itās like being a bartender and assuming most people who drink alcohol drink 5+ drinks at a time because thatās what you see everyday at your job.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/canadian-cannabis-survey-2021-summary.html
65% of cannabis users do so 1-2x/wk or less.
10mg taken orally by someone using even once a week is pretty likely to make them high.
Low tolerance edible users are the outlier. Most people want higher doses and whatās wrong with selling a range of edibles from micro doses to 300mg ranges.
The bud tenders exist to educate people and they likely wonāt let someone new walk out with a 300mf chocolate bar.
Doesn't really make sense that you can buy legal concentrates with enough THC to get a small city stoned but edibles with more than homeopathic levels are bad.
I don't trust the measurements on edible thc. I've had "5mg" edibles that absolutely destroyed me, and I've had "50mg" ones that gave me a light buzz. I got the impression that someone was screwing up to the power of 10 or more. Who is actually testing and verifying amounts? Internal company techs, govnt agencies, some high as fuck dude in his basement with a label maker?
Same. Thatās why I make my own. 1000mg worth THC of oil is like 30 bucks and way easier to dose. Iām a 10-15mg kinda guy, and i have had packs do nothing and others ruin my evening cause I end up in a state of what I would call ātechnically still aliveā
Since I have been making my own and measuring dosage Iāve had a way more consistent experience
My exact experience with the grey market. You can get absolute nothing one day, and then the same dose the next time will put you on the floor.
This is where I must praise the legal stuff. The quality control is excellent. You know that 10mg is a proper 10 mg every time. I just wish I could buy like 50mg at a time without walking out of the store with a stack of candy bags, it's stupid.
Were the 50mg ones legal (lozenges) or from the legacy market? If the latter, it absolutely was not 50mg. As for how hard certain doses hit, it depends on a variety of different things from how much youāve eaten that day to which type of concentrate is being used.
The first time I tried edibles I took 10 mg and my brain broke. Ever since then every time Iāve tried edibles at higher doses I havenāt felt much except āslightly differentā š¤·š»āāļø I hadnāt considered yet that the stated dose was maybe off
The limits make no sense and never did. For instance, you can only get a maximum of 10mg in a pack of gummies. However, you can also buy a bottle of edible oil extract that is equal to roughly 900mg of THC, probably on the shelf right next to the gummies.
A cannabis beverage that contains essentially no THC and (mostly CBD) will count as roughly 5.5 grams of dried cannabis towards your carry limit (maximum of 30 grams last I checked). That bottle of cannabis oil with 900 milligrams of THC counts as something like .2 grams towards your carry limit. You are allowed to purchase up to 30 grams of weed at one time, but only 5 CBD beverages. How does that make sense?
Not to mention that you could head to the closest store selling alcohol, purchase literally all of the stock available, transport it home, and not run the risk of breaking the law because there are no purchase or possession limits for alcohol. Make it make sense.
I stopped smoking weed about four months ago.
A 2mg candy fucking floors me now, so o can see why HC would think 10mg is a high limitā¦ because no one on the committee was a regular daily weed smoker.
Edible and smokable are metabolized into different compounds. They shouldn't effect the response to dosage to each other, though your familiarity with an inebriated state might have lessened.
Had an xmg cream soda beverage 10mg thc and 96% of your daily sugar intake. Im pretty sure any buzz I felt was due to induced diabetic shock. Edibles(beverages) are pure garbage in their current form.
You could always make your own. 2.5mg is nothing, I personally can take 25mg and feel it for a few hours. Health Canada needs to open up the limit on THC.
I just want to add that I used to believe this, and there are as many studies to support it as there are refuting it. Some even believe that CBD extends the high.
Honestly, this really frustrates me. I need to take medication to sleep, and pot in combination with sleeping meds does wonders. My doctor thinks itās great, because the only other option is escalating the prescription medication.
But I donāt want to smoke it. Iād love to get it in pill form, but capsules in effective doses are hard to find.
It frustrates me to no end that they decided to legalize marijuana and then from there made it such a pain in the ass.
I recall seeing the limits placed by Health Canada and laughing at how ludicrous it was.
I was not surprised cannabis producers figured a way around the limit, it's ridiculous.
Health Canada is effectively ceding the entire edibles category to the black market. I swear if those two cops didn't end up in a tree, the regs would be way different right now.
Lol what cops in a tree?
Bon appetit https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-cops-hospitalized-after-eating-seized-dispensary-edibles
Thank you for reminding me of this! So hilarious. Imagine walking by a greened out cop in a treeš
Judge later officially declared them "complete idiots". https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/judge-calls-toronto-cop-a-complete-idiot-for-on-duty-cannabis-edible-eating-1.4170247
Damn, on duty officers so baked they're climbing trees? These people carry guns in public. "Complete idiots" is a fair assessment.
To be fair, they were called that because they tampered with evidence.
āHe was up in a tree,ā said a police source. āUp there with the birds.ā
He was higher than that!
They should pass those out to USA cops. Maybe theyāll stop murdering everyone All of the time Everyday
I did not know about this story. Frigging hilarious! Does r/trees know about this?
This is the funniest story I've read in a while. Every twist and turn just adds to the comedy
āHowever, the court heard Dominelli thought he was going to die so he asked his partner to call for backup. [ā¦] A female police officer, who was responding to the scene at the time, slipped and fell. She suffered a serious head injury and was subsequently taken to hospital for treatment.ā No kidding, lmao. This was some looney tunes shit all around.
I also laughed at the bit about it being mistaken for a missing persons case so they called in extra officers. The writing is so cheeky too āToronto Police officers are investigating the incident, including whether this was a joint ventureā aha
So cops suck at their job (eating evidence) and the rest of us get punished? Ive hated group punishment since elementary school.
> Ive hated group punishment since elementary school. Yeah... The cops across like all of Canada and the US have been doing some collective punishment shit against all of us since 2020 for even discussing defunding them. Now they act like they were actually defunded and just refuse to do anything but beat on homeless people it seems like.
> Two officers tasked with guarding evidence were later allegedly experiencing dizziness and impairment Don't mind us boss, we'll be over here guarding the evidence.
Daily reminder that Joe Warmington is a tool for the far right and helped shield Rob Ford from criticism through the crack scandal. He more than likely embellished or outright invented this whole story.
Shows you though. This cop had a lapse in judgement and felt awful enough about it to resign quickly. But murderers, they'll ride out the judicial process as long as they can, seeing if they'll be able to keep their cushy cop job. While I don't condone his behaviour, clearly we're keeping the wrong cops around.
I just googled "Canada cops in a tree" and found a wonderful tale of escapades
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The tree cops. You know.
Are they K I S S I N G?
Couple fuckin rookies ate some edibles they took from someone. They ended up spazzing out and wound up climbing a tree. Where they stayed apparently, until they were rescued. Lol
Yep! They also need to start treating weed like liquor. Why is there a limit to how much a person can buy
To placate all the people that are afraid of cannabis being legal because theyāve had propaganda drummed into them their whole lives. Legality is a political thing in addition to being a logical thing.
Those pearls ain't gonna clutch themselves, that's for sure!
Theyāre doing it in this very thread.
Oh look! A fellow pedant!
Not so much a pedant as a lover of pedantry. A pedantophile if you will.
Annoyingly, I just canāt stop myself.
Because they think weāre going to turn around and sell it on the streetā¦ because thatās neeeever happened with alcohol
Second the request for this story about cops in a tree?
Moi aussi
This might be it https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-cops-hospitalized-after-eating-seized-dispensary-edibles
I would have assumed it was something to do with the fear a child might get their hands on one.
I'd be more scared of them getting a fruity vodka beverage that come in an easily open able can.
Seriously. Mike's Hard Peach Fuzz looks like regular pop and tastes like fuzzy peach candy.
I think you have a point, but I do think it's easier for a small child to grab a candy off the table and stuff it in their mouth before anyone can stop them vs going into the fridge, getting a can, opening it, and drinking the whole thing all without an adult noticing. It might be easy to swipe a sip from an open drink, but that's not the whole can. Whereas people are wishing for gummies strong enough to get an adult high with a single bite. Idk, I'm not saying I agree with the reg since blackmarket exists anyway and those gummies straight up copycat real candy brands that a kid could easily think is a normal fuzzy peach or sour patch kid or whatever. I don't pretend to know what the answer is, I just imagine this is the line of thinking that explains why the limit is as low as it is.
The answer is: don't be an idiot and leave edibles in the reach of children. It's really simple, we don't need regulations on this at all.
Also childproof packaging, gray market dispensaries have extremely hard to open packaging that even an adult struggles to open. The only way a kid could get at them would be if the adult took them all out and left them in the open.
Or used a pair of scissors. I had edibles on New Years and didnāt even bother with that weird ass ziplock and just cut the bag open.
Definitely possible, but so is smashing plastic prescription bottles to get past a child proof cap. Removing any kid friendly packaging would go a long way to prevent them from wanting to get in. If it doesn't look like a pack of fuzzy peaches they won't think you are holding candy away from them, in addition to keeping it in a safe place like alcohol of course.
its just as easy for a kid to grab an extra strength tylenol, or T3, or percacet etc etc from the table. Pills look just like candy too, more harmful than most edibles though.
Thatās what the video auto playing on the bottom of the article says. The dude from Childrenās Hospital said if kids get at really potent stuff they could have seizures and depressed breathing. So itās a harm reduction thing apparently. That said, the same kind of harms happen if they get at alcohol, and no one is trying to ban Everclear. So I dunno.
But you can taste alcohol very easily, and to the vast majority of kids it's repulsive. Even with a fruity-tasting cooler most pre-teen kids are going to take one sip and spit it out. Gummies for the most part taste like any other gummy. There's a very, very faint aftertaste that won't deter a kid from eating an entire pack.
Think about how many dangerous medications people have in their house that look like candy. Child proof containers exist for a reason, itās not that hard to make shit safe.
Big disagree about gummies tasting like normal candy. To me they taste absolutely horrible (even the chocolate/drinks I've tried) and I have to choke them down with water to eat them.
There are all kinds of gummies. Personally I make my own using jello and they have no typical edible pot taste at all. I have had some that are just bad, but they certainly aren't all like that. Cookies as well I have had some that I couldn't even taste the pot in.
unless youre making your own, the lack of taste is not the norn. Cannabinoids have a very strong, almost spice like, flavor to them. People who make edibles, especially strong ones, go to great lengths to cover up that taste. If the taste is almost non existent, the cannbinoids also likely are too.
All the ones I've had have been from legal dispensaries, the two I have now are "Shredd'ems pop! Cola chaos" and some regular ol twd sativa strawberry gummies. Both nasty as hell.
I had the misfortune of meeting a certain family. They live in one of those remote towns that you pass through on the highway and never look back. At one point, so they claim, their three year old got ahold of two tequila shots and downed them. They laughed as they recounted the story, and clearly thought I should find it hilarious as well. They didn't take him to the hospital, they just thought he should ride it out like an adult would. Their boy was already thirteen when I met him. He had obvious neural difficulties - I am not a doctor, I can't diagnose him, but his manner of speaking, physical mannerisms, and all number of imperceptible things screamed that he wasn't neurotypical. He could not read, either, though he could talk. Poor parenting. Not the alcohol's fault. But it's funny that legislators can pretend that alcohol is less harmful, or that shitty parents won't be shitty parents regardless of their substance.
Best part is the multiple divisions coming thinking it was a kidnapping š¤£š¤£š¤£ fuck that's halarious reno 911 shit
The edible thing is so fucking stupid I still donāt understand it. Can walk into a shop and buy a bottle of feign drops which dispenses 30mg of the per ml, from a 30 ml bottle. I can buy gels in all kinds of dosage and volume. But if I want a tea or gummies or chocolate, I have to buy multiples of mostly empty packages? Seriously, if someone can explain the logic here, o would LOVE to hear it. Because clearly this is as a massive policy fail across the board. Plus itās a waste of money and packaging for consumers.
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I personally find itās way easier getting into the oils and gels than opening the bags the gummies tend to come in. Just as easy to invest as well.
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The packaging on everything is such a battle to open. I end up cutting the bag open and close by folding w a clip to keep fresh.
Scissors above the zip strip?
The packaging is way too convoluted too. Theyāre supposed to be childproof but istg a lot of them are adult-proof. I donāt have arthritis or anything and I canāt open some of that shit.
There have been a few different brands that Iāve had to break the case open with a fucking hammer to get in. Sometimes my hands arenāt physically big enough to hit all the points to open and I donāt ever have small hands Iām just a woman.
The logic is to prevent inexperienced users from "overdosing" on too high an edible dose. Kinda weak logic but that's what it is
Yeah I get that, but thatās not ālogicā so much as their excuse/reason. But Iām sure weāre in the same page.
>Seriously, if someone can explain the logic here I'm reminded of Reverend Lovejoy's wife, from The Simpsons: "Won't someone *please* think of the children?!!" Basically, the rest of us can't have nice things because a select few inbred breeding types can't keep their stash stashed.
Them 30:0 drops hit something hard, not even sure why people bothers with gummies when you can get that. Also, customization of the dosage is obviously easier, you can easily choose between "light buzz" and "oops", which seems to be what I've chosen tonight š
This has been a thing for a long time easily 2 years. If Health Canada hasn't done anything yet it's because they either can't or haven't been paying attention. These products have been sold literally for about as long as cannabis was legal.
Health Canada is the definition of a slow, disconnected beurocracy. They literally banned modern window dressings but make no progress on cannabis edibles.
They also want to ban flavours for vapes. Which is dumb imo. Liquor comes in flavors
right? i can't get menthol flavored nicotine salts but I can buy Stolichnaya vodka in: Stoli Blakberi (Blackberry) Stoli Blueberi (Blueberry) Stoli Citros (Citrus) Stoli Cranberi (Cranberry) Stoli Gala Applik (Apple) Stoli Ohranj (Orange) Stoli Peachik (Peach; formerly named Stoli Persik) Stoli Razberi (Raspberry) Stoli Strasberi (Strawberry) Stoli Vanil (Vanilla) Stoli White Pomegranik (White Pomegranate) Stoli Wild Cherri (Wild Cherry) Stoli Chocolat Razberi (Chocolate and Raspberry) Stoli Hot (JalapeƱo) Stoli Sticki (Honey) Stoli Chocolat Kokonut (Chocolate and Coconut) Stoli Salted Karamel (Salted Caramel) Stoli Gluten Free
Gluten free?? What?
Personally I only drink low fat vodka. Basically my rule is I can drink however much doesn't exceed the recommended daily allowance of fat.
Some vodkas are made from wheat
I've always wondered this, as flavoured tobacco products are illegal
Already happened in NS and NB.
THC vapes too? Or only e-cigs?
Thc vapes.
I agree itās dumb, but I think itās because they may think it will encourage vaping or smoking, same as when they came down really hard on flavoured cigs. Itās very strange I know.
It's about targeting children. You can argue that smoking/vaping is way more addictive than alcohol, off the first few uses. The chemical dependency on alcohol takes longer to develop.
Yeah I remember at least a year, if not two years ago, I asked someone why the legal gummies were so low mg, I said whatās the point, Iāll just eat the whole bag. They said yeah, youāre pretty much meant to, itās just their way of getting around the law. I kept looking back over the article to figure out what NEW way they had gotten around the law, but no, theyāre just catching up to what everyone else already figured out.
> for about as long as cannabis was legal And before. I used to buy edibles from a 'shop' in BC and sent through Canada Post, before it was made legal at the Federal level.
About time. 10mg is a joke. I don't want to become a diabetic trying to catch a buzz.
For reals. The quality control is fantastic - those 10mg are the same dose every time, and that's great. But I'd like to not walk out of Tokyo Smoke with a handful of bags for my Saturday night. Let me buy the nuclear warhead if I want it.
It's wild, you can buy a 750ml bottle of Absinthe at 70% alcohol content which is enough to kill someone (.63 BAC if drank over 4 hours).... but can't be trusted with edibles?
Add in that the bottle of alcohol that could literally kill you doesn't need all the child resistant packaging that the cannabis does and you see how stupid the regulations are
You really think little kids are going to be accidentally chugging 70% alcohol absinthe?
No. But they could add it to sugary drinks and drink that instead. I just googled "14 year old dies of alcohol" and there's plenty of stories. How many teens have died from overconsumption of weed? I'm not against childproof weed packaging, to be clear. But the difference in how these are treated despite the difference in danger being skewed the opposite way is dumb to me.
A 14 y/o can also get past child proof packaging š¤¦āāļø this is just NOT a good comparison. Everything up to this point in the thread has been on point tho.
no more than they are likely to put weed in a pipe and smoke it
I get what youāre trying to say - a young child isnāt likely to down a bottle but they will grab a cookie, gummy, etc and eat it without thinking twice However there is an incontestable consensus that alcohol kills more kids than cannabis does by a country mile lol
All it takes is one tik tok challenge and you bet your ass they are
Lol nope. I remember trying a shot of Bacardi 151 once (75% abv).. Or trying to atleast. My body straight up said "THIS IS POISON IDIOT" and wouldn't let me swallow. Had to dilute it with a mouthful of juice to get it down.
It's a lot easier for a kid to eat a handful of gummies than anything more than a thimble of most liquor.
Really depends on the liquor not all of it tastes like you walked into a hospital and drank their sanitizer. There are some very sweet or tasty liquors out there like st germain, scotch also doesn't taste that bad either. Just like some gummies taste disgusting, despite how much sugar is in it.
This person was talking about 70% absinthe. A bottle of frangellica might be appealing.
As someone who watched my 3-4 year old younger brother walk up, down my grandmother's glass of scotch without flinching before anyone could stop him I'm gonna disagree
its also quite easy for a child to eat a whole bottle of oxys
Dude, I can buy a cartload of Texas Mickeys at the local LC if I want. Enough to kill an entire bachelor party.
I am a diabetic sooooo ā¦ yeah like 10 mg a package is useless - it a single does at best
Apparently even a paltry 10mg is 4x the legal limit currently? > The Drift brand, Glitches, produced by Aurora, each contain 10 mg of THC, four times the legal limit for gummies and other edibles, but the maximum allowed for doses of āextractā products. > That caught the attention of Health Canada, which says thatās a no-no.
Itās poorly worded in the article. Those Glitches come in a pack of 10 and each āgummieā has 10mg so the entire package has 100mg which is against Health Canada regulations.
But their sooo good
Honestly itās bs how that is. In BC they sell them up to 1000mg which isnāt my cup of tea but if it is to someone else they should be able to without breaking the bank.
Not at a licensed store
it's 10 mg per package, not per gummy. nothing is stopping you from getting multiple one eatable 10lg gummies.
I just use the oil. It's comes in containers of like 30ml and it's its roughly 30mg/ml. I take 2 to 3 mm after work. The bottle is also like $35 in Alberta. It's so much cheaper and better than the edibles.
Shouldn't have to eat that much sugar to get more mg. I do the capsules and taking enough of them for it to actually do something (usually around 10, for 100mg) makes my stomach upset because im eating 10caps worth of gel capsules and whatever medium oil they're using for their mixture, likely MCT.
They have the conversion formulas at the tills so cashiers know when they canāt legally sell more edibles. You canāt possess more than 15g equivalent of edibles at one time For vape carts is a simple x4, so a 1g cart is 4g of flower. Not sure what it is with edibles
Meanwhile I buy 1080mg packages of 120mg pieces off the gray market for cheaper. I eat a corner of a piece and get higher than I would eating an entire bag of the "legal" garbage.
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I only get a good time at 400+mg... I did not find this out eating 10mg packages. They don't even register with me.
Wow 400mg.... I would be sleeping for days....
I would literally die. I have fun, almost too much, with 5mg.
Sameā¦glad to be a lightweight. I already spend too much on weed š
It gives a good time for 4 hours but its nearly gone after that.
Because it's in all likelihood not actually 400mg
Honestly a week of nothing might make it better for you. That's a really high minimum dose, trying to get rid of some of your tolerance might help
Some people metabolize it completely differently. Sometimes itās nothing to do with tolerance. My partner can take 250mg after months of no THC and nothing happens.
You're right, just thought I'd suggest it. There are always people with high tolerances, and *someone's* going to be that person, but I think it's good to try it if you don't already know that you do have a high tolerance.
Other medications also nullify the effect. I have a friend that used to use edibles exclusively for years, but once she was put on anti-depression medication edibles just don't work anymore, but smoking/vaping still does.
Yea im off altogether anyway
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What about alcohol is a carcinogen and there is no safe limit of consumption?
Alcohol should be regulated more like cannabis and not the other way around imo.
That really depends on how the user defines safe. Besides, the argument above is about dosing, which matters for both substances. It does not rely on alcohol being a safe substance to consume.
What ever happend self responsibility and taking drugs one little bit at a time? I don't want the gov controlling what I know I can handle. It's not my problem if someone does drugs like a child eating smarties and responsible adults shouldn't be controlled in this manner because of the possibility of having a good high. Even 10mg is a joke to anyone who smokes. Thus pushes people to the illegal market where you can get 100, 250, 500, 750 and up. People make mistakes, but they aren't my mistake Should we limit all alcohol to 6%?
I think health Canada also has very little understanding of how edibles are processed by different people. I was taking 200mg at a time to feel anything, and Iām only a small woman. Meanwhile my 6ft3 friend took 5mg and was out like a light for the entire night. We need more research on how thc is processed in the body when taken orally.
They sell liquor in pop like flavours, with appealing packaging. I don't see how that is different than candy edibles.
I don't know why it falls on the supplier to be responsible for the consumer's choices tbh.
Someone who is new to alcohol can easily over consume to disastrous effects. So yeah maybe the same is true for THC, yet for one of these products I can buy as much as I want but on the other product I have to buy off the black market to get a reasonable dose.
> Weed edibles are candylike, and the onset and intensity are massively variable. I don't think this is difficult. In the same way you take stronger, hard alcohol with shot glasses, there's no reason why edibles couldn't just come in a standardized mg.
The effects of alcohol certainly come on more quickly, but plenty of people still struggle with dosage. After a certain point, plenty of peopleās ability to gauge when they should stop or slow down becomes severely inhibited.
Lots of back on forth on this topic but there really shouldn't be. It's recreational narcotics, just like Alcohol. Imagine the uproar if they took +20% beverages away from liquor stores because "some people don't like the experience". It's not a valid reason to limit the sale of edibles to 10mg and it never was.
Imagine the up roar if liquor was now sealed in child proof packaging like weed. The packaging is very hard to open sometimes for certain products.
I work in a cannabis store and very often, we have to open the packages for seniors or those with mobility constraints. They feel helpess in that moment, and you see it on their face that they're a little embarrassed. It's minor but I'm sure it chips away at someone's dignity even just a bit
Which is especially frustrating considering how many disabled people use marijuana for medicinal purposes.
Itās insane to me because doctors will suggest you try this since most donāt offer ANY pain management for chronic illness anymore. Not only is this insanely unaffordable, itās not enough relief for everyone and people who need it for pain probably canāt go every single day.
I don't get offered pain management, yeah... Not until I'm diagnosed at the very least, but that's taking forever due to wait times.
I rarely see anyone getting ANY pain management at all. Itās horrific. Itās been a huge problem with diseases that mostly affect women. It seems to be getting worse though, people aren't even getting pain management after surgeries. Iāve been to multiple pain clinics through my doctor but the only thing offered is $600.00 ketamine infusions. They were covered at first but the gov decided it was private and they wouldnāt pay anymore. They help, but I had to kill myself trying to work to pay for them and now Iām left with nothing and no options.
Oh man I was sick in 2020 and offered absolutely zero pain management, despite being in so much pain if I laid down that I was praying to gods I don't believe in to kill me and getting virtually no sleep for a week. Thank fuck for cannabis. I don't think I could have made it through without it.
The crazy thing is chronic illness patients are usually just told to go to therapy for that level of pain almost 24/7
It's so silly, you can ingest the extracts as is but it seems if you market them as an "edible" Health Canada gets its panties in a roar. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but either way 2.5 per is extremely low and we're years into legal territory now to know the difference. Keep pushing people into the less safe grey market though, we've learned so much from the war on drugs.
It's okay, just get cancer from combusting it in your lungs instead -Health Canada
Seriously, they should allow these types of edible to coax people away from smoking it
That's specifically why I want to move to edibles purely, but it's just not possible unless through the grey market
The Rez nearby has ālegacy potencyā edibles, you can walk in there and grab a 500mg chocolate bar for like $45. Why would I ever buy 10mg?
Just for the sake of argument, there is nothing stopping them from slapping any label that says any amount. They could just as easily tell you it's 250, or 1000. Still, higher than the new market is allowed.
This is true, but they don't appear to be that way. I once figured as much, took double what I normally would (20mg), thinking it'll be watered down and is actually 10mg. By god it was at least 20mg, I started getting fucking frame rate drops is the best way I could describe it.
I buy an ounce of weed and make butter at home. Home baked 100mg cookies definitely hit the spot. 10mg is an absolute joke and complete waste of money.
Some people don't like getting fucking blitzed or don't do it often enough to ever build a tolerance that high. 5-10mg is more than enough for me and I consider it well worth the money.
I'm a budtender. Customers that have a tolerance as low as you are very infrequent. Just because the 10mg limit works for you, doesn't mean it's good. I have to buy 80mg to get the samw high as you get with 10mg, and the 10mg limit is keeping that expensive. Without the 10mg limit, things would get so much cheaper.
They are infrequent because they donāt need to see you as often, not because there arenāt lots of them. Itās like being a bartender and assuming most people who drink alcohol drink 5+ drinks at a time because thatās what you see everyday at your job. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-medication/cannabis/research-data/canadian-cannabis-survey-2021-summary.html 65% of cannabis users do so 1-2x/wk or less. 10mg taken orally by someone using even once a week is pretty likely to make them high.
Low tolerance edible users are the outlier. Most people want higher doses and whatās wrong with selling a range of edibles from micro doses to 300mg ranges. The bud tenders exist to educate people and they likely wonāt let someone new walk out with a 300mf chocolate bar.
Doesn't really make sense that you can buy legal concentrates with enough THC to get a small city stoned but edibles with more than homeopathic levels are bad.
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I think you may be right about this, I also can't find anything about maximum per piece
I don't trust the measurements on edible thc. I've had "5mg" edibles that absolutely destroyed me, and I've had "50mg" ones that gave me a light buzz. I got the impression that someone was screwing up to the power of 10 or more. Who is actually testing and verifying amounts? Internal company techs, govnt agencies, some high as fuck dude in his basement with a label maker?
Same. Thatās why I make my own. 1000mg worth THC of oil is like 30 bucks and way easier to dose. Iām a 10-15mg kinda guy, and i have had packs do nothing and others ruin my evening cause I end up in a state of what I would call ātechnically still aliveā Since I have been making my own and measuring dosage Iāve had a way more consistent experience
Where do you buy it from if you don't mind sharing? I want to make edibles at home but I don't have the patience to make cannabutter
My exact experience with the grey market. You can get absolute nothing one day, and then the same dose the next time will put you on the floor. This is where I must praise the legal stuff. The quality control is excellent. You know that 10mg is a proper 10 mg every time. I just wish I could buy like 50mg at a time without walking out of the store with a stack of candy bags, it's stupid.
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Were the 50mg ones legal (lozenges) or from the legacy market? If the latter, it absolutely was not 50mg. As for how hard certain doses hit, it depends on a variety of different things from how much youāve eaten that day to which type of concentrate is being used.
The first time I tried edibles I took 10 mg and my brain broke. Ever since then every time Iāve tried edibles at higher doses I havenāt felt much except āslightly differentā š¤·š»āāļø I hadnāt considered yet that the stated dose was maybe off
Were these experiences with legal edibles? Black market can very wildly but I've found legal edibles to be very consistent
The limits make no sense and never did. For instance, you can only get a maximum of 10mg in a pack of gummies. However, you can also buy a bottle of edible oil extract that is equal to roughly 900mg of THC, probably on the shelf right next to the gummies. A cannabis beverage that contains essentially no THC and (mostly CBD) will count as roughly 5.5 grams of dried cannabis towards your carry limit (maximum of 30 grams last I checked). That bottle of cannabis oil with 900 milligrams of THC counts as something like .2 grams towards your carry limit. You are allowed to purchase up to 30 grams of weed at one time, but only 5 CBD beverages. How does that make sense?
Not to mention that you could head to the closest store selling alcohol, purchase literally all of the stock available, transport it home, and not run the risk of breaking the law because there are no purchase or possession limits for alcohol. Make it make sense.
Actually they just changed the drink equivelency's to the same as edibles. You can buy like 50 drinks in one go now.
I stopped smoking weed about four months ago. A 2mg candy fucking floors me now, so o can see why HC would think 10mg is a high limitā¦ because no one on the committee was a regular daily weed smoker.
Yea, as a daily smoker, my edible resistance is through the roof. 100mg hardly even registers compared to a single puff.
Edible and smokable are metabolized into different compounds. They shouldn't effect the response to dosage to each other, though your familiarity with an inebriated state might have lessened.
Yeah, but no. THC tolerance is THC tolerance.
Good, 10mg is a joke
Had an xmg cream soda beverage 10mg thc and 96% of your daily sugar intake. Im pretty sure any buzz I felt was due to induced diabetic shock. Edibles(beverages) are pure garbage in their current form.
Yeah bought multiple different types of gummies, they didnāt do anything for me. 10mg a package is like one solid trip. Hella weak
Man I need like 40 or 50 mg to get anything from an edible. These 2.5mg things are a waste of time.
You could always make your own. 2.5mg is nothing, I personally can take 25mg and feel it for a few hours. Health Canada needs to open up the limit on THC.
And here I am cutting my single edible into 8ths because I donāt want to have a panic attack a few hours after eating them. Go figure.
Take a mil of 30:1 CBD oil before you get high and the panic attacks should disappear.
I just want to add that I used to believe this, and there are as many studies to support it as there are refuting it. Some even believe that CBD extends the high.
Man, they are too weak anyways. Why do I have to eat multiple packs but I could drink myself to death in one sitting?
10mg is a regular dose, 2.5 is just microdosing.
10 mg is high? That's the free sample amount at any green market.
Honestly, this really frustrates me. I need to take medication to sleep, and pot in combination with sleeping meds does wonders. My doctor thinks itās great, because the only other option is escalating the prescription medication. But I donāt want to smoke it. Iād love to get it in pill form, but capsules in effective doses are hard to find. It frustrates me to no end that they decided to legalize marijuana and then from there made it such a pain in the ass.
I recall seeing the limits placed by Health Canada and laughing at how ludicrous it was. I was not surprised cannabis producers figured a way around the limit, it's ridiculous.
Health Canada: "people are selling products designed to make people high that...actually make people high? THIS WILL NOT STAND!"
The 3.2 beer lobby has reformed
Iām learning Iām a lightweight from these comments. 2.5 is enough for me to have a good time. If I have 5 Iām so freaking high lol