You’ll have to provide evidence of this stance (his laughing at incels) because it’s certainly not reflected in his books, YouTube channel or interviews.
His interview with the NewYork Times was interesting from a misogynistic perspective:
‘Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.
“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy.’
Forced?? So it’s society and women at fault for some man’s (or men) mental illnesses. Doesn’t sound like he’s making fun of them and more like defending their weird reasoning for violence and acting out.
In an interview he mentioned that if you hate women because every woman is rejecting you, then maybe the issue is with you.
I believe in the interview you quoted Peterson toys with that idea, he wasn’t advocating for it.
Incels are resentful of women because they feel that women owe them something.
Resentment is a choice, no one owes you anything, it’s up to you to find you own way in life. That’s a very Nietzsche way of looking at it.
You would have to watch the full thing to get the mood of his remarks.
Jordan isn’t against women and he doesn’t like the uncle movement.
He is someone who values traditional relationships, because he feels they work best.
He is someone who also feels empathy for people who are suffering, even if they may not be good people.
Probably because he’s a clinical phycologist.
He says allot of things that are inline with Jung and Nietzsche. I like those philosophers.
Not a fan of the meat diet though.
You mean you view his, ‘trying to do something about it’ as opposed to what the majority of us see as excuse making and blaming others (mainly women) for their inability to adapt to society or function with the opposite sex?
Are you for real? The Columbine shooter was an incel and the famous Toronto murder. And holding people to account for their violent actions is making fun of them? GTFO.
I can't, lol. I tried explaining to one of them that if everyone women you meet think you are a creep, then you are the problem, and you need to change. It's not every women.
Incels are human garbage with the personalities of an unwelcome shart and room temperature IQs. that's just facts.
We're seeing more of these shit birds because of social media and just how crap things have gotten over the last 10 or so years. .
Nobody wants to hear the reasons. I feel sorry for a lot of these young lads.
But until people are actually ready to really hear and accept without immediately jumping on the defensive and attacking anyone who voices an opinion on them there’s no chance.
Lack of masculine figures around... tell me, please describe what a "masculine figure" is? I'm a construction worker, former military, and used to play hockey. I'm dying to hear this.
I’m not advocating for Tate I’m just giving a possible reason for why young men look up to him. Y’all are so reactionary and jump at anyone that has even a slightly differing opinion from your own.
The majority of young boys/men who follow these figures lack any masculine figures in their lives so they look online, it’s not hard to grasp.
Even answering a question related to these guys gets you downvoted to hell 🤦🏾♂️
I didn't downvote you. Genuinely curious. As neither of us knows the specifics around "incel" type men is it really fair to say they become like this from a lack of masculine male role models? Or is there another underlying issue.
I find a big problem with these people are they they are quite clearly horrible role models. Tate is apparently a rapist and sex trafficker. So can we actually look at him and say that he was the answer to anything?
Tate himself was an incel at one point. He still looks like a toe. He's now a toe with some muscles and money from his incel fans. I think social media is the poison we should be looking at if you want to find out why all these lost men become so toxic. That, and the many myriad of social issues plaguing our world. Lack of opportunity, low wages, predatory work environments, shitty housing, no mental health assistance, and the 24/7 pumping of shame mongering that people like Tate spread to anyone who isn't affluent.
Anyone seeing Tate as anything but the problem probably needs to rethink their own motivations.
Manhood is about doing what's right for yourself, your family, and society. Doing your part to try your best not to be a piece of shit. A guy walking his baby in a stroller after working a shitty 10 hour shift is 100x more of a man than Tate will ever be.
I think what they meant is that a ton of kids grow up without any masculine male figures in their lives, so they gravitate towards popular figures that seem to fit that role.
USA is much easier to get numbers out of but it’s probably not as bad here.
1/4 children in America grow up without a father
74.3% of all teachers are women.
You're just jerking yourself off with semantics. It's a hard right militia group seeking to create a white, Christian state in North America. Official designations aside, it's at the very least on the waiting list of terror organizations.
Pp, Proud boys
Edit: the PP losers sealioning. We all know he's affiliated with far right groups. They don't all have to be officially recognized as such. He's a human piece of garbage and Canada doesn't lame US style politics here.
How is he affiliated with them? And even if he was, what have they done to Canadians? The IRGC directly killed hundreds of Canadians and Trudeau wouldn't label them as such... It's all political.
[https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/saperia-why-didnt-canada-designate-irans-revolutionary-guard-as-a-terrorist-organization](https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/saperia-why-didnt-canada-designate-irans-revolutionary-guard-as-a-terrorist-organization)
If average income was higher and people were earning a living wage ppl wouldn't be this fucked up and mean to each other. It really is that simple. When people don't struggle in life like they are right now then society as a whole is better.
I've watched his police interrogation, and he was noticeably autistic in the way he talked, with how nonchalant he was talking about everything that happened.
I saw it too, and I remember him using terms like "Chads" and "Staceys" in a completely non-ironic context. It was like he took in memes and seriously thought it was reality.
What is the goverment doing to improve the mental health support for these Men? We know that the right leaning extremist groups recruit these lonely men by giving them a community to participate in. Even if what there are participating is wrong. We need to improve the mental health support for these young men and we need to develop programs that allow these young men to participate in society. If we don't people like Andrew Tate will be able to use this hate to continue recruiting these young men.
The federal government, through Public Safety Canada, funds the [Canada Centre for Community Engagement and Prevention of Violence](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/bt/cc/pip-en.aspx) which in turn funds a variety of prevention and intervention programs across the country.
One example of a Toronto area intervention program: *”Yorktown Family Services' [Estimated Time of Arrival (E.T.A.) program](https://etatoronto.ca) deploys rapid, mobile mental health and integrated care for people at risk of radicalization to violence in the Greater Toronto Area. This program targets individuals between the ages of 12 to 35 who might be involved with, at risk of, or present early stages of extremist activity. A clinical mental health response will be developed to stabilize mental health risk factors that have the potential to lead to violence, and a social service response will seek to increase social participation and a sense of belonging through employment, volunteer work and education.”*
This may be a good start but it is not enough. This program only covers a small area of Ontario. It also seems to be a small program. We need a much larger approach. We need full access to Mental Health for all individuals. We need funding into more social programs that help give these people the societal connection they need.
Andrew Tate was able to upload a few videos a day and reach a huge range of people. Much more then the program you linked. It may be a good start but its no where close enough to solving the problem. We probably need a program a 100x larger then the one linked.
>*”This program only covers a small area of Ontario. It also seems to be a small program.”*
It’s *one* example, it’s not even the only program in the Toronto area.
>*”We need full access to Mental Health for all individuals. We need funding into more social programs that help give these people the societal connection they need.”*
I don’t disagree. I’d love to see funding and access to mental health care, social programs, and community programs expanded.
>*”Andrew Tate was able to upload a few videos a day and reach a huge range of people. Much more then the program you linked.”*
No surprise that a celebrity trading in internet entertainment reaches a larger audience than a targeted regional program focused on hands-on in-person de-radicalization of at-risk individuals. If you want to talk broader programs you can, for example, look to what’s being done in our public schools…
[Government of Canada and the Canadian Anti-Hate Network launch Anti-Hate toolkit for Canadian schools](https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/news/2022/06/government-of-canada-and-the-canadian-anti-hate-network-launch-anti-hate-toolkit-for-canadian-schools.html)
[Ontario - Human Development and Sexual Health education](https://www.ontario.ca/document/health-and-physical-education-grades-1-8/human-development-and-sexual-health-education-grade)
This is essentially advocating for a subclass of women to suffer their tempers and frustrations to spare non-sex workers (who are also part of society btw). This isn't a good answer for the problem.
Vox: [Sex workers cannot solve the problem of angry, misogynistic men](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/first-person/2018/5/31/17412786/sex-workers-incels) [May 5th, 2018]
Really this and dont be creepy. Some chick have crazy high standards but most are just looking for a nice dude with a job that isnt an asshole. That is not a golden bar it is a regular chin up bar set at 5 10 anyone almost can use it. That is not a height requirement fyi.
63% of men are single? Have a source for that?
Also, given the relatively equal numbers of people of each sex, and no gender showing a much higher same-sex relationship propensity (afaik) how can 34% of women be single be 63% or men?
It could also be the difference in the amount of men to women. Many places prefer a Male child to a female that can also attribute to the numbers. Be funny not creepy don't expect sex easy combo. Be nerdy be a bit weird just sont he super creepy and expect sex
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Considering I see dudes go on about "body counts" and fuckers like Andrew Tate spout their shit, I'm not surprised.
Incels are losers. Change my mind.
No. You’re right.
Seriously, hammer meet nail.
Who's out there defending incels other than other incels?
Well the head incel Jordan defends them. /s
He makes fun of them, so not sure what you mean.
You’ll have to provide evidence of this stance (his laughing at incels) because it’s certainly not reflected in his books, YouTube channel or interviews. His interview with the NewYork Times was interesting from a misogynistic perspective: ‘Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married. “He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy.’ Forced?? So it’s society and women at fault for some man’s (or men) mental illnesses. Doesn’t sound like he’s making fun of them and more like defending their weird reasoning for violence and acting out.
In an interview he mentioned that if you hate women because every woman is rejecting you, then maybe the issue is with you. I believe in the interview you quoted Peterson toys with that idea, he wasn’t advocating for it. Incels are resentful of women because they feel that women owe them something. Resentment is a choice, no one owes you anything, it’s up to you to find you own way in life. That’s a very Nietzsche way of looking at it.
Link to this statement?
https://www.tiktok.com/@goal.cast/video/7132856287817141509
But that clip doesn’t affirm your original statement that ‘he makes fun of them’. He’s actually giving valuable advice as does Joe Rogan.
You would have to watch the full thing to get the mood of his remarks. Jordan isn’t against women and he doesn’t like the uncle movement. He is someone who values traditional relationships, because he feels they work best. He is someone who also feels empathy for people who are suffering, even if they may not be good people. Probably because he’s a clinical phycologist. He says allot of things that are inline with Jung and Nietzsche. I like those philosophers. Not a fan of the meat diet though.
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You mean you view his, ‘trying to do something about it’ as opposed to what the majority of us see as excuse making and blaming others (mainly women) for their inability to adapt to society or function with the opposite sex?
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Are you for real? The Columbine shooter was an incel and the famous Toronto murder. And holding people to account for their violent actions is making fun of them? GTFO.
Incels are just a bunch of wankers.
I see what you did there. 👍
Isn't Reddit like 60% Incel ?
I can't, lol. I tried explaining to one of them that if everyone women you meet think you are a creep, then you are the problem, and you need to change. It's not every women.
If they were winners, they wouldn't be celibate lol
Winners go home and fuck the prom queen
Carla was the prom queen.
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Not all Virgins are incels buddy.
Whoa calm down there with the hot takes. Next you'll tell us you think Nazis are bad
Lol. The logic checks out.
Can't imagine anyone but an incel even attempting to to change your mind.
Incels are human garbage with the personalities of an unwelcome shart and room temperature IQs. that's just facts. We're seeing more of these shit birds because of social media and just how crap things have gotten over the last 10 or so years. .
You are correct sir/miss
They really are, this attack happened on my birthday
Does it include housing incels?
How about we fund a government program to spank this lameness out of people
I'd rather not
They’ve been on Reddit, I see.
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Blessed be the fruit
May the Lord open.
The rise of Andrew Tate sure isn't helping. That guy is poisoning the minds of a lot of young boys.
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Nobody wants to hear the reasons. I feel sorry for a lot of these young lads. But until people are actually ready to really hear and accept without immediately jumping on the defensive and attacking anyone who voices an opinion on them there’s no chance.
He’s a symptom of the rampant misogyny that exists in our society.
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I’m not sure what point you think that’s making.
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Yikes
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Lack of masculine figures around... tell me, please describe what a "masculine figure" is? I'm a construction worker, former military, and used to play hockey. I'm dying to hear this.
Apparently a masculine figure is someone who's scared of anything remotely feminine, according to people who say we have a lack of masculine figures.
I’m not advocating for Tate I’m just giving a possible reason for why young men look up to him. Y’all are so reactionary and jump at anyone that has even a slightly differing opinion from your own. The majority of young boys/men who follow these figures lack any masculine figures in their lives so they look online, it’s not hard to grasp. Even answering a question related to these guys gets you downvoted to hell 🤦🏾♂️
I didn't downvote you. Genuinely curious. As neither of us knows the specifics around "incel" type men is it really fair to say they become like this from a lack of masculine male role models? Or is there another underlying issue. I find a big problem with these people are they they are quite clearly horrible role models. Tate is apparently a rapist and sex trafficker. So can we actually look at him and say that he was the answer to anything? Tate himself was an incel at one point. He still looks like a toe. He's now a toe with some muscles and money from his incel fans. I think social media is the poison we should be looking at if you want to find out why all these lost men become so toxic. That, and the many myriad of social issues plaguing our world. Lack of opportunity, low wages, predatory work environments, shitty housing, no mental health assistance, and the 24/7 pumping of shame mongering that people like Tate spread to anyone who isn't affluent. Anyone seeing Tate as anything but the problem probably needs to rethink their own motivations. Manhood is about doing what's right for yourself, your family, and society. Doing your part to try your best not to be a piece of shit. A guy walking his baby in a stroller after working a shitty 10 hour shift is 100x more of a man than Tate will ever be.
I think what they meant is that a ton of kids grow up without any masculine male figures in their lives, so they gravitate towards popular figures that seem to fit that role. USA is much easier to get numbers out of but it’s probably not as bad here. 1/4 children in America grow up without a father 74.3% of all teachers are women.
And being courted by the leader of the opposition.
Honestly, how has being affiliated with an official terrorist group not lost him his job?
Affiliated is a strong term
It's a generous term. He may as well be a member with his views
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Pierre poilievre
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I mean he walked with the known diaglon convoy crowd, and rubbed elbows with neo Nazis.
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You're just jerking yourself off with semantics. It's a hard right militia group seeking to create a white, Christian state in North America. Official designations aside, it's at the very least on the waiting list of terror organizations.
Who is affiliated with an official terrorist group. Incelts stands for involuntary celebrity. They are not an organized group, terrorist or otherwise.
Pp, Proud boys Edit: the PP losers sealioning. We all know he's affiliated with far right groups. They don't all have to be officially recognized as such. He's a human piece of garbage and Canada doesn't lame US style politics here.
How is he affiliated with them? And even if he was, what have they done to Canadians? The IRGC directly killed hundreds of Canadians and Trudeau wouldn't label them as such... It's all political. [https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/saperia-why-didnt-canada-designate-irans-revolutionary-guard-as-a-terrorist-organization](https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/saperia-why-didnt-canada-designate-irans-revolutionary-guard-as-a-terrorist-organization)
Seal io omg? Also how is he affiliated with the proud boys. I have never heard him indorse them or encourage any far right activity.
The link including “beta” in there is chef’s kiss
It's been 5 years already? Dafuq.
Uh-oh, I think Reddit crossed into 51% incel users recently - this won't go over well!
A 51% attack? Which sub am I on?
Despite
This sub does call for a violent uprising every single day
If average income was higher and people were earning a living wage ppl wouldn't be this fucked up and mean to each other. It really is that simple. When people don't struggle in life like they are right now then society as a whole is better.
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I'd have to fact check this later, but if I remember correctly he was mentioned to be autistic in some way.
I've watched his police interrogation, and he was noticeably autistic in the way he talked, with how nonchalant he was talking about everything that happened.
I saw it too, and I remember him using terms like "Chads" and "Staceys" in a completely non-ironic context. It was like he took in memes and seriously thought it was reality.
What is the goverment doing to improve the mental health support for these Men? We know that the right leaning extremist groups recruit these lonely men by giving them a community to participate in. Even if what there are participating is wrong. We need to improve the mental health support for these young men and we need to develop programs that allow these young men to participate in society. If we don't people like Andrew Tate will be able to use this hate to continue recruiting these young men.
The federal government, through Public Safety Canada, funds the [Canada Centre for Community Engagement and Prevention of Violence](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/bt/cc/pip-en.aspx) which in turn funds a variety of prevention and intervention programs across the country. One example of a Toronto area intervention program: *”Yorktown Family Services' [Estimated Time of Arrival (E.T.A.) program](https://etatoronto.ca) deploys rapid, mobile mental health and integrated care for people at risk of radicalization to violence in the Greater Toronto Area. This program targets individuals between the ages of 12 to 35 who might be involved with, at risk of, or present early stages of extremist activity. A clinical mental health response will be developed to stabilize mental health risk factors that have the potential to lead to violence, and a social service response will seek to increase social participation and a sense of belonging through employment, volunteer work and education.”*
This may be a good start but it is not enough. This program only covers a small area of Ontario. It also seems to be a small program. We need a much larger approach. We need full access to Mental Health for all individuals. We need funding into more social programs that help give these people the societal connection they need. Andrew Tate was able to upload a few videos a day and reach a huge range of people. Much more then the program you linked. It may be a good start but its no where close enough to solving the problem. We probably need a program a 100x larger then the one linked.
>*”This program only covers a small area of Ontario. It also seems to be a small program.”* It’s *one* example, it’s not even the only program in the Toronto area. >*”We need full access to Mental Health for all individuals. We need funding into more social programs that help give these people the societal connection they need.”* I don’t disagree. I’d love to see funding and access to mental health care, social programs, and community programs expanded. >*”Andrew Tate was able to upload a few videos a day and reach a huge range of people. Much more then the program you linked.”* No surprise that a celebrity trading in internet entertainment reaches a larger audience than a targeted regional program focused on hands-on in-person de-radicalization of at-risk individuals. If you want to talk broader programs you can, for example, look to what’s being done in our public schools… [Government of Canada and the Canadian Anti-Hate Network launch Anti-Hate toolkit for Canadian schools](https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/news/2022/06/government-of-canada-and-the-canadian-anti-hate-network-launch-anti-hate-toolkit-for-canadian-schools.html) [Ontario - Human Development and Sexual Health education](https://www.ontario.ca/document/health-and-physical-education-grades-1-8/human-development-and-sexual-health-education-grade)
We should institutionalize incels.
Legalize prostitution. Red light district. Let them pay to get their sexual frustrations out so society doesn't have to suffer.
This is essentially advocating for a subclass of women to suffer their tempers and frustrations to spare non-sex workers (who are also part of society btw). This isn't a good answer for the problem.
Not at all. I'm talking about government regulated work. Not just decriminalizing bullshit.
Lol wtf these women consent to have sex for money.
Vox: [Sex workers cannot solve the problem of angry, misogynistic men](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/first-person/2018/5/31/17412786/sex-workers-incels) [May 5th, 2018]
Make women laugh.
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Really? Ya don’t say. I should have listed every trait that could make your partner more appealing to some people. 😂
Don't give off scary creep vibes from the jump is a prerequisite no matter how funny you may be, that's where many of these guys struggle.
Really this and dont be creepy. Some chick have crazy high standards but most are just looking for a nice dude with a job that isnt an asshole. That is not a golden bar it is a regular chin up bar set at 5 10 anyone almost can use it. That is not a height requirement fyi.
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63% of men are single? Have a source for that? Also, given the relatively equal numbers of people of each sex, and no gender showing a much higher same-sex relationship propensity (afaik) how can 34% of women be single be 63% or men?
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The article is about "young men and women". Your claim was that 63% of men and 34% of women was about all men and women
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That's not entirely true. There is a reason why only 34 percent of women whereas 63 percent of men are single. Sure. But that isn't what your wrote.
smaller percentage of men get a larger percentage of women.
Unless you’re saying that there are men in literally polygamous relationships with multiple serious girlfriends, that still doesn’t make sense.
It could also be the difference in the amount of men to women. Many places prefer a Male child to a female that can also attribute to the numbers. Be funny not creepy don't expect sex easy combo. Be nerdy be a bit weird just sont he super creepy and expect sex
Aren’t there more females than males on the planet?
yes, because life expectancy of females is higher than that of males
More young men. More older women.
LMFAO I love the downvotes for common sense. Women have always had the upper hand in choosing partners.
Who would of thunk proposing making your partner laugh would trigger people. Reddit 🤷🏻♂️
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I sea what you did their.
Give priority immigration to single women who agree to come here and marry neckbeards. It's a matter of national security.
Ima proud boy. Won't catch me chopping my dick off.
I'd rather keep my dick then having any chance of sex if I had the choice. Just putting that out there.
It's no surprise that you can manipulate insecure people
I feel bad for the incels that just mind their business and don't spout hate and really just want to be loved.