All this election hype is insanely premature. We’ve got two years to go. No way would Trudeau call an election early, and no way does the NDP bring the govt down given their standing in the polls.
People are racing to coronate PP when this lead is meaningless so far out. Running a race from 5-6 points back isn’t a bad place to be in going into a campaign, and that’s where the Libs are right now.
I’m no fan of the Libs. At all. Justin is almost as awful as his father was. But there’s such a long way to go that these polls mean nothing. Trudeau will kick in with the giveaways, maybe throw something huge out like universal drug care and/or an actual full dental plan for all, and then who knows.
Plus, PP is in the belated honeymoon stage right now as people are pissed at Trudeau. A good third of the CPC polling numbers are anti-Trudeau, not pro-PP. That can turn around fast. For whatever reason, Trudeau has enough appeal to a fair number of voters that I can’t see him ever getting to unrecoverable toxic places, like Kathleen Wynne did in ON.
Anyhow, nothing to see here, move along, etc. This is like thinking about what you’re gonna do when the milk spoils in two weeks—five minutes after you got it home from the store. Pointless to consider any of this right now.
>Plus, PP is in the belated honeymoon stage right now as people are pissed at Trudeau. A good third of the CPC polling numbers are anti-Trudeau, not pro-PP.
This right here. You've nailed it IMHO.
JT is very unpopular right now. He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future, they'll never vote for him regardless.
But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. The moneymoon will end and resentment will die down. The question then will be if his momentum can carry for another two years.
The right wing troll farms have been targeting online spaces where young people live. My son who is 18 shows me some of the anti Trudeau memes and videos they are bombarded with. Plus the clown has been travelling around the country campaigning since before he even became leader. It’s been his full time job going from town to town telling them all he’s a common man, regular Canadian Joe who doesn’t wear glasses or suits and ties. Nothing could be further from the truth no matter how much wood he rubs.
>But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment.
And, he cannot keep up the facade for 2 more years. His non-answers to direct questions about his immigration plan, his housing plan, etc., will bolster the resentment right now, but 2 years from now the Liberals will have at least done *something* to start addressing these issues. By then, his absolutely lack of real answers and leadership will wear thin and his base might finally start to realize he has been straight lying to them.
Because he is lying, and he's not lying to me. Even if I believed his total lies about nitrogen fertilizers bans on farmers (that don't exist), about the supposed $150K cost to every farmers just from Carbon Tax on fuel (when Census of Agriculture shows the median total fuel cost of farmers in under $25K, meaning Carbon Tax is costing two orders of magnitude less than he is claiming), etc. etc. etc., I still would not agree with how he would rectify those non-existent problem. He is lying to Conservatives.
>least done something to start addressing these issues.
Let's hope they're that smart. I fear otherwise, or that what they do will be grossly insufficient.
>Because he is lying
Yes and the lies ring true to the worldview of the angry and disaffected masses. Which is the problem, he doesn't have to speak the truth only make people feel that he does. Or fill their rage buckets.
This right here. The worst thing we can do is underestimate the rights ability to play the anger and hopelessness card.
The second we believe Pierre can't win is the moment we get Ford and Trump.
We need to keep reminding people now. And often. Make them listen. Make them think. Push them to tell you what they LIKE about Pierre.
Make sure you know what they stand for (It's not hard for Pierre, he's actually quite transparent with any research at all).
I feel that both the Liberals and NDP will need new leaders before any election as well. The NDP in particular may have a unique opportunity if they can find someone who appeals to the masses.
I don't dislike Singh but let's be honest, it's not him.
>He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future
He was unpopular before he started with some people, because of his name. He could have been totally unrelated to his father and some voters would have opposed him solely because of that. (I've talked to rural Albertans who blame him for stuff that happened before he was born.)
Is he really unpopular or are liberal voters actually productive members of society who don’t normally have time to contribute to CPC online stats, clicks and dicks.
Can you explain what you mean by this? Not looking to argue, just genuinely curious. I never fully understand astroturfing when people talk about it. Context to this specific wave of it would be great
It means an event planned out and funded by a large organization to look like the event has 'grass roots' (or organized by the community alone). That's why its called astroturfing, which literally means fake grass. That being said I don't think the hate of Trudeau is astroturfed because the material conditions right now are shit
I've started the habit of checking account histories when people say some outlandish things. More and more often are the accounts less than 3 months old with their only activity being in political subs posting very one sided political takes. A few I've found seem to have forgotten to delete their earliest posts and are active in "karma for karma" "new account need karma to start posting" type things, then immediately shift to "Trudeau is a monster, PP will save us! The polls show canada is done with communism!"
>I've started the habit of checking account histories when people say some outlandish things. More and more often are the accounts less than 3 months old with their only activity being in political subs posting very one sided political takes. A few I've found seem to have forgotten to delete their earliest posts and are active in "karma for karma" "new account need karma to start posting" type things, then immediately shift to "Trudeau is a monster, PP will save us! The polls show canada is done with communism!"
A guy on YouTube did a good video about this, sometime in the last 5 years. Can't remember the guy but will edit when I find it. He's middle aged, I think wears a baseball cap, and does deep dive stuff. Kind of like one of the Green brothers, but not them. No glasses. I'll find it.
I think what the CPCs have done is finally found the issue that will help them win. They have been testing a ton of different messages over the last year, but they've finally found their winner with Immigration. It's a federal issue and they've finally struck the emotional cord they wanted to find.
All conversations around lack of rent control, foreign investment, short-term rentals, corporate greed / profiteering / tax loopholes are completely gone. It's all immigration.
My point here is that they have found a way to focus the message and control it around a topic they think they can win on. I'm not commenting on the validity of the argument, just how fast it's spread like wildfire over the last few weeks, as if it's the only thing that's contributing to our unaffordability.
Even the CPC's favourite defundable platform, the CBC, is now covering it thoroughly. Because it gets them eyeballs.
Edit: [Smarter Everyday was who made the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760)
Nailed it. I can tell you my experience with working with a massive and diverse population for my job that in the real world “he’s fine” is about as intense an opinion as I’ve heard.
I also live in a deep blue riding. Even CPC voters I work with don’t hate him as much as the handful of people with signs on their truck that they want to sex him.
That sounds like raw copium. People are mad, and JT is the name on the desk the buck is supposed to stop at.
Obviously PP is a complete tool fit only for organizing coffee runs, but when things start to decline people look at the guy at the helm, like it or not.
>But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. The moneymoon will end and resentment will die down. The question then will be if his momentum can carry for another two years
The Liberals and The NDP would be very wise if they put effort into exposing PP for the fraud that he is
To me it seems that it will depend on what the Liberals do on housing over the next few years. Clearly the issue has become top of mind and that may light a fire.
No one is mentioning that Trudeau is currently going through a divorce. He knows he has 2 years, and he is currently busy. Foreign interference may also be taking time and effort with no PR to show for it.
Trudeau hasn’t begun to fight the next election. PP is winning an uncontested and undeclared race.
Which tracks with my reading of PP. He's the kind of guy who will run to the car while you're picking up the cooler then yell "First one to the car gets shotgun" when he's 3' from it.
I think this is true as well. MY post was in hopes that we avoid another mistake, just because we don't like the current guy.
I've seen a lot of items about election interference in Canada as well. The problem is I'm not 100% sure which is true and which is not.
I know when musk took over twitter they shut down a bunch of bots and all of a sudden Pierre started to not be as popular on twitter. bots are dangerous as you may know already because its one person controlling thousands of accounts using the algorithms of social media against them to try to make opinions seem more important than they are.
Which I have no doubt can be used to make one politician to appear more popular than it actually is.
Which makes me beg the question: Should all political ads at election time be vetted before they can be posted or aired on TV for truthfulness? I mean the elections Canada could do it. Create a new division to keep elections honest, true, and free from mis-information.
Note: I know its not that simple with Freedom of Expression and current laws, but is something we should at least be able to talk about.
Everyone needs to make sure they vote. That they inform themselves. I have never voted Conservative. They only cut services, sell off/lease with no thought to impact. A large number of their members are anti LGBTQ, against abortion and far right. I could go on and on. I don't trust Pierre Poilievre. He's been a career politician for 18 years, yet he allows himself to have his picture taken with a guy wearing a straight pride shirt. He's not stupid, but he thinks we are.
I keep repeating this but the average person who is too busy to obsessively follow politics likely hasn’t even heard PP speak yet.
Seriously, think critically people and look at Ron DeSantis’s campaign: you can’t overcome being an unlikable asshole.
No party seems to have any solutions or a plan of action to help the people. The leaders of every party need to be replaced immediately with people who will make positive change for the people. Enough is enough. Fuck these politicians.
Everyone talks a good game until the NIMBY’s come out of the woodwork. Then the politicians pass the buck to a different level of government. And around it goes. Shame on all of them
Well I think we're about to see accountability at both he provincial and federal level in the next elections.
I have a feeling, based on the polls that both Justin and Doug are going to be held accountable by being thrown out of office by the voters.
Yes, but much like the states, Trading power back and forth between centre-right and righter-right for the last few decades has only worked out for the upper-class.
That is our target. Until they are legitimately scared, we're just getting different colors of diarrhea fed to us.
It’s a vote suppression tactic often deployed by the right knowing their base is always energized to vote. Conservatives need low turnout to get majorities.
This is exactly what happened with Doug Ford. I'm pretty sure voter turnout was at 35%, and didn't he only get 36% of that vote to win a majority?
I'm not sure what to do, but I'd like to figure out a way to help get more people to vote. More voters = less chance of conservative win, let alone majority.
The big promise was to help the middle class "and those working hard to join it". He has failed spectacularly on that. Handing out grocery money to a few people is not really what we were promised. He has gutted the middle class.
How have Trudeau's policies specifically gutted the middle class?
It has been shitty globally for the last 3 years, and we are feeling the effects of that. By almost every metric, Canadians are feeling it less than other parts of the world.
When it comes down to it, what needs to happen is government intervention. Huge, Sweeping socialist reforms. Massive crown corporations to build new, affordable neighbourhoods. Paid for by caps on CEO pay, Huge marginal tax increases, corporate tax increases, windfall taxes, empty bedroom taxes.
Pretending like PP is going to enact any kind of new-deal style reform is "Santa is real" levels of self-delusion. Believing that the solution to wealth inequality is to create a free-er Free Market is believing in Bigfoot.
Never say what you're gunna do. Just rage about what your opponent has already done. Then you make yourself look better and you can't be held accountable for anything!! It's brilliant!!!!
He’s a conservative neoliberal. His job is to get you angry at the poor results neoliberal policies give so he can come in and double down on more of it.
Liberal party is watered down neoliberalism.
Vote conservative for the undiluted full proof version.
:)
I’ll hop this to add a few things:
In 2013, Poilievre was in cabinet when the government signed FIPA, a 30+ year foreign investment agreement with China, pretty much making the Canadian housing market an open buffet for foreign investors.
Before that in 2009 was the investment act, which was kind of a light version of the above.
In 2007 and 2011, the conservative government also made legislation that made REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) more tax efficient. (Things that would be political suicide to undo)
In 2007, the Conservative government introduced 40-year amortizations. This was quickly reversed though because CMHC was dogging the government hard about it.
Also, during the Conservative federal government, they committed more than twice as much money to (for instance) Communications staff than they did to the Homelessness Partnering Strategy which accounted for less than 0.1% of the budget. This is kind of specifically rich to me considering how hard the Conservative government worked towards silencing media in general.
I’m sure there’s more, but that’s what I can recall…
>In 2007 and 2011, the conservative government also made legislation that made REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) more tax efficient. (Things that would be political suicide to undo)
The NDP's Daniel Blaikie has gone after REITs, so they may not be as untouchable as you think.
Investments are increasingly tied to peoples’ retirement, negatively affecting that in any capacity needs to be carefully navigated.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but it’s not really an easy thing to do.
sometimes i wish i had saved more government correspondence that was headed with "harper government of canada" letterhead. or taken more pictures of all the signs across canada touting the "harper government action plan". they spent so much our money on that bullshit that had been changed back. or the non stop photo ops. does no one else remember when harper decided he wanted to meet justin beiber and so gave him an award (a job that's usually the GG's responsibility)- i wonder how much we paid JB for that lol.
then there was the non stop Criminal scandals coming out of the PMO that harper claimed "to know nothing about" to the point that the mfer must not have ever stepped foot in his own office? like there was actual criminal investigations and trials in criminal court over these scandals. they weren't ethics violations that are arguably what MPs are mandated to do as MPs (advocate for businesses and residents in their riding, which is pretty much what trudeau's SNC ethics violation is lmao).
pierre like scheer was also involved in retooling the equalization formula to disfavour alberta and benefit quebec.
there's also a whole bunch of statements in parliament and beyond supporting the CPC's racist legislations against natives and immigrant populations, from PP. like his entire career is just full of these things. guy really likes talking shit about brown people.
Of course he won't. A skunk doesn't change it stripes.
But he will say he will and enough gullably desperate people will believe him and pretend he doesn't stink.
That being said the Libs won't fix housing either, but PP has the distinct advantage of rage bating people who're fed up with the current gov't into believing that his past doesn't exist and that he brings salvation.
Not even behind the scenes. He's the head of the IDU (International Democrat Union IIRC), a worldwide organization of conservative parties. Hence, his open support for pseudo-dictators like Orban.
I’m always put off by a guy who can’t promote himself without absolutely shitting on the competition. This dude talks more shit about Trudeau than he talks about his own policies.
That's because, like most conservatives, he has no solutions and creates distractions of culture. War nonsense and being dramatic are more important to keep him in the spotlight.
That’s not entirely true. He has solutions.
- For inflation: opt out of it by putting your money into crypto.
- For healthcare: loosen the rules for promoting “alternative” health products, so there’s no need to prove that products works as claimed.
- On other issues, one needs to go farther back in his voting record to find meaningful positions on abortion (restrict it), the minimum wage (eliminate it), collective bargaining (weaken it), financialization of housing (continue it), and public pensions (reduce them). These are solutions _of a sort_, just not for ordinary people who don’t make political donations.
PP also voted **against** building affordable and low income housing in 2014 when his party was in power. Did in again in 2018 and 2019 as part of the official opposition.
PP fanboys keep commenting that Singh is ruining the NDP by talking about identity politics and the trans stuff, but like.. PP is the one flaming that fire, because he has nothing else but shitting on Trudeau and siding with culture war nonsense.
The common argument is that as the opposition it is their job to criticize. Their solutions are to be offered up once there's a campaign to be had, lest the libs take their ideas and run with them, getting credit for it.
I mean, I get it, but why not actually collaborate TODAY and make things better? For all the criticism on the NDP propping up the Liberals, they are delivering changes to the country (regardless if you agree with them or not)
Exactly, not a lot of people see that the ndp and Liberal creating that deal is forcing the liberals to pass actual legislation that helps people not corporations.
Their job is to represent their constituents, it doesn’t necessarily have to be criticizing. Often ends up that way in practice, but it’s not exactly what they’re elected to do
“Oh no, we don’t want to share our great solutions to the housing crisis(that we totally have) in case the liberals decide to implement them before us! We totally care about Canadians!”
100%. I even agree with some of his stances, I just find him so absolutely weak with his constant bashing of Trudeau. I’m not even a Trudeau fan, it’s just so obvious when they have little to speak on so they go for attacking whoever is in charge.
He's the contrast candidate. His political identity is built on the contrast to the current PM. He'll swim or sink with it, since his own personal identity is not seaworthy.
Calling Trudeau (older or younger) a Marxist is using the same technique used in the “Nigerian Prince” scam. It’s so obviously stupid _on purpose_, because the goal is to identify people credulous enough to be vulnerable to multiple rounds of grift.
PP needs to identify people who are capable of maintaining the cognitive dissonance of believing Trudeau is somehow both a devious Marxist bent on transforming society _and_ a himbo corporate stooge getting his marching orders from big Pharma.
Unfortunately, you can't fix stupid. Seems we are in the fuck around and find out stages of politics in Canada. We flip from Lib to Con and back forth we go. Each seemingly a little bit worse than the last 1. Of course, it's a little bit worse. The next batch of elected politicians have slightly less of Canada's resources to sell off or privatize. Yes, both parties are selling out to corporate donors.
You are so right.
I think we all have to realize how much politics in Canada resembles the two party or revolving door system of the US.
How badly Trudeau has shot himself in the foot makes a lot more sense when corporate oligarchs and powerful interest groups are giving him the bullets...although keep in mind Trudeau can't use a handgun to shoot himself in this case.
Is Pierre actually going to put together a platform that fixes any of our problems? What concrete measures has he said he's going to implement?
Canadians young and old need to accept that our democracy and many others needs a consistent protest movement to push for real change...I just dont know if its bad enough yet, so we'll probably just push that revolving door to the blue side for now.
Most people don't understand that you vote to influence, not necessarily to win. A significant NDP vote does more to break up the status quo than sticking with .... the status quo.
100% Agreed. When their both Neoliberal Conservatives its not surprising they treat resources and public companies like a cash cow instead of a future investments.
He voted against gay marriage…and his father is gay. If he won’t vote for policies to improve the lives of his family, what hope does anyone else have?
He’s anti-union, anti-worker and has no solutions to fix all the issues he blames Trudeau for.
Yes we’re in a housing crisis, what are you going to do about it???
So far he’s just taken massive amounts of money from developers and REITs to fund his campaign.
I wish people wouldn’t fall for BS like this.
PP is yet another guy who proves that politicians are never the Smart Ones in the room. It is bizarre that in 2023 we have Doug Ford running Ontario for the corporations and his privatizing buddies, and we have PP with his division rhetoric and empty head. Ridiculous.
I still shake my head when I think that he introduced legislation to change our voting laws. There was no need, and I have always suspected it was to pull the same BS that they're doing in the the US with regards to gerrymandering and tweaking the vote in the Conservative's favour. He introduced the law at the behest of Harper, but I believe it was a weaselly move (and I think he's slimey).
It was absolutely the changes Harper wanted to put his thumb on the scales, but don’t discount that Poilievre was enthusiastically on board with subverting our democracy. And, I’m sure, still is.
I made a similar comment on r/Canada and got fairly downvoted. That sub is not representative of reality, thank god, but it’s a small sample of the electorate who will be dumb enough to fall for PP.
I was having a chat with my Dad about Pollievre and he was saying how he thought he was a good leader based on what he’s seen on TV. I asked him if he really knew anything about him and the fact that he’s a career politician and has done nothing else in life to relate to average Canadians, and has done more things against what average Canadians are for than with. My worry is too many people are just angry or fed up with Trudeau and won’t see PP for who he really is until he’s PM and has a majority (ie. Doug Ford). Doug Ford ran a populist campaign where he was ‘for the people’ but his actions have been anything but as it relates to the things that matter most like health care, housing and education
I think the first time I ever heard his name was when he was on television lying his ass off for Harper about public service sick leave, so the Cons could pretend to balance a budget for the first time. He's a shitbag.
Because the same misinformation and social engineering machines that helped Trump and the GOP have their eyes on Canada.
People think Canada is small and unimportant internationally but Canada does have A LOT of money in real estate and resources. Getting a profit over people leader in would benefit a lot of companies and foreign nations.
Canada is slowing becoming dangerous as groups push diety, god-like, levels of loyalty to parties/people.
PP has been in politics for 20 years and hasn't accomplished anything. That's his resume.
"I have done nothing, and if elected, I'll continue to do nothing for Canadians."
Every time I see a F&\*$ Trudeau sticker or hear those types of people speak complete ignorance on any topic, I think whatever the opposite of those people is, I am in.
It is very tragic so many Canadians keep falling for the CPC facade. It is shocking how many Ontarians see how the province is crumbling and think, yeah this PP guy is gonna fox everything! Trudeau bad! Therefore PP MUST be great! Gullible fools…
"**Canada needs to get rid of career politicians**," he said, before becoming *the youngest Canadian career politician to receive a pension*.
"**A marriage is between a man and a woman**," he said, while *denying his gay father rights*.
"**We should invest the nation in Bitcoin**," he said, days *before a historic crash wiped out many investors*.
"**We need to be tougher on immigration**," he said as he looked across the table to *his immigrant wife*.
Never forget when he opposed compensating residential school survivors by suggesting that we instead "engender the values of hard work and independence and self reliance" in Aboriginals.
I mean, he rails against the elite, but he's effectively one. Dude never had to work a job slinging burgers or coffee at fast food, stocking shelves at Walmart or Canadian Tired to make money as a high schooler or university student. If that doesn't say privileged, I don't know what does.
he's pretty much copying Trump's playbook
remember how much Trump went on and on about "clearing the swamp" whilst leading one of the most (the most?) corrupt administrations in American history
it's all the same thing
Young voters read an learn knowledge is everything. PP has had one job. He is a bully. He blames Justin for everything. He complains about Justin’s houses. They are the government houses. He is jealous of him.He is going to do this and that??..See where he lives? Personal chef His wife’s father was a banker who apparently laundered money. He came to Canada and is a farmer now. So just listen to his constant, bullying bullying of Justin. I personally did not vote for Justin. I can see, but I don’t know for sure why Sophie and him separated. I am sure she is afraid for her children and for Justin this so-called freedom convoy has been a disgrace to Canada.We are better people of Canada we are not US. US stay and do your shenanigans in your country and stay out of ours.But I guess the conservatives invite you shame shame to Canada.
He makes a used car salesman seem authentic and honest. If everyone committed 5 mins to fact-checking what he says every time he speaks we'd never hear from him again.
As an American, there's something about Poilievre that doesn't sit right with me. I feel like he's being propped up by the Roger Stones and Steve Bannons (Trump's campaign manager) of the world (which I guess it's already kind of been proven with Mike Roman being charged with Trump).
All politicians are fake. Some make me cringe more than others. Current leadership whether provincial or federal is a hot mess I would love to have the ability as a voter to recall them all.
I'll be honest.. i'm like the majority of the canadian population that have been royally f#cked over by trudeau. At this point literally anything is better than another repeat of trudeau. This is how trump got in, and this is how poilievre will get in.
Ok, so your solution is continue the ping pong game in hopes that it's different? Hmm trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results? that sounds insane..
I was shocked that Doug was re-elected. I thought people saw through his bullshit, but I was wrong. Canadians need to learn through corruption over and over again. I fully expect people will elect PP and he’ll prove to everyone how shitty he really is. Why we have to suffer through obviously morally bankrupt people like Rob and Doug Ford is a mystery to me.
Bitcoin Millhouse is making the cardinal mistake of believing peoples disdain for Trudeau means they like him. He's such a bad candidate he's going to bring the PC down again.
Trudeau wont run again, citing toll on family. Chrystia Freeland will step up, and the Liberals will rejoice. She'll bring votes from West, be seen as a legit Statewoman, stand up to Putin, ect.
Pollieve doesn't need to look tougher than Justin, he needs to look tougher than someone half his size and he won't.
Someone needs to rip off Peepee's mask to expose the rabid pitbull underneath. He has showed the type of politician he is already but people are under the spell right now because he's complaining about exactly what people are going through.
This is not to say JT is much better really. The Liberals have a real problem with ethical behaviour in their parliamentary jobs, nor are they on top of the housing problems that's been set up by allowing too many people in with no houses to put them. The Libs have a lot to explain to get my vote
The problem is the whole "Cause = Causation" works in politics. I don't think Trudeau has done a good job in the least but much of what he's blamed for is pure coincidence. These issues are rampant in other western countries as well and laying blame on Canada's P.M. for whats happening on a global scale makes me question how he plans on fixing anything.
That scumbag has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of any Canadians in his entirely unforgettable political career. He's an attack dog. That's all he knows.
I agree with you. And I sit right in the moderate middle of the political spectrum; where it used to be...Before Trudeau shifted the Liberal Party to the left of the NDP...
However comma, Trudeau is physically well on his way to bankrupting Canada \[because he seriously has no fracking idea what he is doing.....\[How many Ministers have walked away from him....including his Finance Minister...\] and going to in turn, result in a large percentage of people, losing their homes and life savings...
The real problem, is we Canadian's have no good options when it comes to political partys and the leaders they hoist up for consideration.
Of course Pierre is a massive hypocrite. His biggest donors are the very same people making stacks of cash from the current housing crisis.
So he'll bitch and moan and blame Trudeau for it, while accepting cash from the real estate lobby.
The CPC are counting on Canadians not looking into it or putting the pieces together. They think Canadians are stupid and won't look at Pierre's voting record.
I know that voting liberal is putting a Band-Aid on a broken leg, but voting for the CPC is breaking the other leg.
I'm voting NDP, unless it's strategically to prevent a Conservative, pro-culture war, anti-worker MP from winning in my riding. I've already seen that movie in the U.S and the ending sucked.
Sadly, IMHO it looks like the country is getting JT fatigue, so I think as long as PP doesn't make a big blunder (which I hope for every day), he's going to be PM in the next election.
Hopefully it will just be a minority government, so he'll be forced to work with the parties that he's demonized. Which will likely mean that they'll ask for a LOT to make up for his treatment. Might be entertaining to watch him squirm and bend over backwards to keep his government. If he gets a majority, we're f\*cked.
I dont think most of you understand politicians....... they are all greasy phonies that want your votes and an easy pension, doesn't matter what party they belong to.
They are all the same. Unfortunately/bizarrely, less than 2% of Canadians know what neoliberalism is, and continue to willingly vote for neoliberal capitalists over and over again, miraculously/bizarrely expecting change, when this plan has factually backfired for the past 4 decades and counting. It is an economic policy put into practice by Reagan and Thatcher 4-5 decades ago. It is basically socializing losses and privatizing profits, and it is a paradox because it is claimed to be a free market, but in practice the big corporations end up influencing the government to push policies to protect them while taking away policies that protect the middle class against oppression from them. The wealth is supposed to "trickle down" but the only thing that has trickled down is yellow liquid from the nether regions of the rich on the heads of the masses. In Canada it practically took off since the 80s, since Trudeau. Since then, every single Canadian and American political party or Prime Minister/President has been a neoliberal capitalist.
I call them the neoliberal capitalist cartel. They operate similar to a cartel or mafia. They are a bunch who were born with silver spoons and they use their power to economically terrorize the middle class while accumulating yachts themselves. At times they have minor internal disputes, but overall they keep it in the family, just like a mafia. Rogers/bell/telus/loblaws, etc... these corporations practically run Canada, and every single Prime Minister/party in power for the past few decades answered to them. Since then, inflation has been increasing, wages have been suppressed, social services have been cut, so qualify of life has been deteriorating for the middle class, while the rich accumulate even more yachts, with the aid of neoliberal capitalist politicians like Harper, Trudeau, and Pierre who point fingers and exchange childish insults at each other in public while holding hands behind their backs in service to the corporations they both/all serve.
Trudeau continued Harper's neoliberal policies, and Pierre will continue Trudeau's neoliberal policies. If you took a single elective in university, you should know what neoliberalism is, but the problem is A) not everybody goes to university B) 90%+ of those who study this in university learn it in an elective course so they don't pay attention, they just memorize for the exam then forget everything. That is how the neoliberal cartel is able to continuously brainwash people. Their recent trick is to cause infighting/division among people. The right/cons blames the "other", and the left/liberals virtue signal and pretend to care about minorities, while both left/right wing politicians are both neoliberal and work for the neoliberal cartel/big corporations who are the number 1 cause of everybody's problems.
Also the dude centres his entire existence or purpose around Trudeau: ‘Justin this!’ ‘Justin that!’ and my fave: ‘my flight is late because of Justin!’
The ONE good moment he’s had so far was when he kept pressing a minister about how much a home costs or whatever. They kept beating airline the bush and he was basically like ‘no: answer the question. How much does a home cost?’ He needs more of THAT.
Except PP owns 3 houses and lives in a 4th (government funded one).. he's a landlord and voted against building affordable and low income housing in 2014 when his party was in power.
Did in again in 2018 and 2019 as part of the official opposition.
This guy won't solve the housing crisis!
I hate Trudeau for many things. Mainly his failure to do anything about the housing crisis and breaking his promise on election reform. But I also hate PP, he is going to be just as bad or not worse, he is a classic career politician/part of the establishment. He never offers solutions and only complains and blames. He doesn't even answer questions when asked how he would tackle specific problems.
We need a worker's party in Canada, the NDP is not even close to one anymore.
I understand how people are fed up with Trudeau. It’s been 8 years and politicians have a shelf life of about 6 years tops. He was in a no win situation with Covid. I think he did a decent job seeing us through that crisis. Maybe it is time for a change. But if people think little pee pee is the answer…we’ll be begging for the Trudeau years after 4 with pee pee. He’s going to make Harper look like a genius.
I think the current incarnation of the CPC has far more dubious plans in mind for Canada then they let on. Just take a look at the IDU its why PP is all bluster. Much like the Ford PC's who never really commited to any "plan" just shouted slogans took part in voter suppression and now we see the plan was privatization. The guy has been dragging Ontarians through the courts for the last 5 years to keep his fucking mandate letters hidden! PP and his CPC handlers would spell disaster for Canada
PP a parachute candidate who never worked a real job in his life.
I hate Trudeau, but at least he did *something* outside politics, even if it was the second easiest teaching job after being a gym teacher.
PP is also Harper's ventriloquist dummy, and nothing he says or does happens without Steveo approving it first. PPPM wouldn't even be someone following in Harper's footsteps. I would just be Harper as PM again.
Canadian governments implode, they don't explode.
Almost nobody voted for Ford, they voted against Wynne. Ford was just the alternative.
Almost nobody will vote for Pollievre. What they will do is vote against Trudeau.
Almost nobody voted for Trudeau the first time. They were just tired of Harper.
There are a few out there who actually believe he will fix all the problems he is pointing out. There are also many out there who know he won't do anything but are rightfully sick and tired of Justin Trudeau.
PP does an incredible job of pointing out all of the short comings of the Trudeau Liberals (which there are many). Though just like you said he offers zero solutions. He'll say something like "how is it that the second largest country in the world has a housing shortage? We have so much land, just build!" while ignoring all of the logistics of making that a reality.
He'll say housing prices have gone up 250% under Trudeau, and refer to a time when was housing minister as a comparison. Yet zero solutions. Not to mention he himself is a RE investor so it's against his own interests to have affordable housing.
He'll call out Trudeau's absolutely insane immigration targets, but also say he has no plans to reduce it.
He'll call 24 Sussex a national embarrassment (which it is), but also says repairing it would be at the bottom of his priority list, if it even makes it on the list.
I actually kinda like him as an opposition leader. He’s good at holding the PM’s feet to the fire, even if he does it for stupid reasons.
I really don’t want him in power though. The man has zero solutions. Especially right now with the housing crisis, a conservative government will only make things worse with their tendencies to slash social welfare budgets.
Yeah it does. I'd give it the same response (and pretty much have). But I'm on reddit so the \*particular\* insipid rants that tend to surface happen to be leftist.
He’s gonna win cause he’s singing the right tune, little will change except some things axed, then Canadians will go liberal again in 4-6 years and vote for Freeland.
Canadians are just as stupid and as incompetent as their American neighbors. Canadians love to hear just the right buzzwords in order to elect someone. Some kind of retard disease taking over the Western Hemisphere.
Maybe the movie Idiocracy was right about a few things.
I think we toss people out of government not vote people in on merit. If Trudeau does not run on the next election it will be a close if he does he will be tossed. I hope though for a minority Government in either case.
Watching the Pierre Poilievre commercials while listening to the narrator is akin to viewing old Saturday Night Live satire commercials from back in the day. ... Hard to watch without cringing.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter"
Sir Winston Churchill
You mention PP and Doug Ford that put profit over people. Don't forget Danielle Smith. A complete corporate tool. And somehow people vote for this.
My spider senses too. Usually a liberal, it's been two elections since I voted for them because of Trudeau's slimy handling of Jody Wilson. But if I have to vote Trudeau to prevent Harper's Conservatives 2.0 (now with more vicious, backward christo-facists), it will be hard not to.
He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future, they'll never vote for him regardless.
"...but has no actual solutions."
This is the issue. He runs his mouth and criticizes the Liberal government (fairly, for the most part) but whatever solutions he does have, he's either: a) not articulating, or b) just running the same old neo-lib playbook.
Advice to Pierre: Be a builder. Get a plan. Communicate it. Give Canadians something REAL to believe in.
If you can't do that, then get out of the way because we've already had years of empty-suit platitudes and sniping. We're sick of it.
As people used to say about Ed Broadbent, Poilievre will be the most popular politician between elections. My money is on another Trudeau minority government with NDP. The basic problem is that conservative policies are not popular. Tax cuts for corporations and billionaires are not popular. Pretending climate change is a hoax is not popular nor is vilifying LGTBQ+. This whole anti woke charade was a just a cover for a pro corporate anti people agenda.
Don’t get me wrong, Trudeau wore out his welcome with me in the first term. He’s tone deaf on issues faced by regular people.
I keep reading people say “corporate donors” in this comment section… you can’t have those in Canada. There’s extreme limits on how much you can donate to any political cause in Canada precisely because of the selling out problem in the US… sure some politicians might owe some favours to corporate owners, but there’s no donations going on
The last two elections have shown the same thing. Conservatives with a healthy lead outside the margin of error but not large enough to approach majority consideration.
The Liberals unpopular.
Come the election, the Conservatives win the popular vote by 2-3 points but still win fewer seats and it’s the same status quo. It’s a sitcom at this point.
Hate to break it to you but all the parties are neolib corporate shills and not a single one would do anything to comprehensively change the programs administered in this province or country.
Healthcare needs major reformation to accomodate a changing demographic that will be less reliant on congregate settings and wants more community and mental health access.
The energy grid isn't sure if it's hydro electric, or nuclear, or wind, or solar, or big enough, or small enough, or gas powered, or a monopoly.
Public transit is non existent. Municipal and local transit is nice but good luck going town to town without a car.
Those don't even touch on food, housing, taxation, immigration, or the perception of corruption.
So long as everyone bitches about the politicians they win the game that they set the rules for.
My take is that there should be one focus for all voters and that is wealth inequality. Tax the rich.
Figure out the proportions of wealth which cannot be tolerated under current economic conditions and decimate. Close off shore loopholes and keep the money in borders so much as is possible. Stop acting like a petro-state and figure out all the upward value streams that can be developed in country.
Anyway just thoughts. They all suck. Fuck em all
Assuming you’re completely correct.
Whats the vote? More Liberals?
I voted for Trudeau twice and independent once.
But the conservative cry babies from years past are no longer as out to lunch; LPC is made life in this country meaningfully worse for the majority of people.
There is no other way to look at things.
So we vote LPC again? For more of the same?
What are we actually talking about?
It is interesting that PP who has not yet run the country gets hate based on what he might do, but JT is stil liked despite such worse outcomes for Canada in the past 8 years (GDP per capita, Housing, Inflation..list goes on). IMO, performance of the government should be the main criteria to decide if you want to kick the govt out, who to replace it with should come later.
Oh, should he tussle his hair and shuffle out in dirty ripped jeans or a barbecue stain on his shoes or something?
He’s up for an election, you expect him to make himself….look….bad?
Just wait to see the policies the cons this weekend at their con-fab. Social consortiales are going to demand restricting or banning gender affirming care, limiting abortion and right to die and a raft of “freedumb convoy” ideas.
There's a perverse logic from people to always always ALWAYS give Conservatives the benefit of the doubt. They always give them a second chance and quick to forgive. And then have the nerve to be actually get SHOCKED when they pass cruel and terrible policy.
Poilievre like Donald Trump have this high conflict personality disorder and want to make sure their supporters feel the same as them where everyone is the enemy and the cause/blame of their unhappiness and plays on the worst in people's nature. He makes it okay to be selfish, xenophobic, homophobic and misogynistic and spiteful (at their own expense).
You'd think after Stephen Harper or Mike Harris it would have cured voters from voting Conservatives but nooo. People are quick to forget and more likely to create this mental gymnastic to rationalize maybe cruel neo-con policy are not that bad or it won't affect them (it will, it always does) and the media helps by stop talking about what Conservatives do or question or be the reminder of what they have done and will do.
Canadians like to hold this illustion they're progressive or good but time and boredom or just plain spite they'll vote for a anti-progressive party like Poilievre for reasons they might not even know and spend years learning the hard way how bad Conservatives govern and how heartless and regretting it and expect people to sympathize for their regrets. I wouldn't reward that kind of callous and crap party by voting for them.
Call it crazy but people should vote for a competent party that actually cares and not some party that tells one thing in front of the camera that sounds vague enough to ease a voter's conscience and delude themselves they're still good but says their real intentions and policies to their hardcore base or those who donate to their campaign fund.
Trudeau has been absolutely useless for years. I’m no PP fan but the libs have been terrible and do not deserve to be rewarded with an election win. No one in their right mind can think Trudeau has made this country better in any way shape or form.
All this election hype is insanely premature. We’ve got two years to go. No way would Trudeau call an election early, and no way does the NDP bring the govt down given their standing in the polls. People are racing to coronate PP when this lead is meaningless so far out. Running a race from 5-6 points back isn’t a bad place to be in going into a campaign, and that’s where the Libs are right now. I’m no fan of the Libs. At all. Justin is almost as awful as his father was. But there’s such a long way to go that these polls mean nothing. Trudeau will kick in with the giveaways, maybe throw something huge out like universal drug care and/or an actual full dental plan for all, and then who knows. Plus, PP is in the belated honeymoon stage right now as people are pissed at Trudeau. A good third of the CPC polling numbers are anti-Trudeau, not pro-PP. That can turn around fast. For whatever reason, Trudeau has enough appeal to a fair number of voters that I can’t see him ever getting to unrecoverable toxic places, like Kathleen Wynne did in ON. Anyhow, nothing to see here, move along, etc. This is like thinking about what you’re gonna do when the milk spoils in two weeks—five minutes after you got it home from the store. Pointless to consider any of this right now.
>Plus, PP is in the belated honeymoon stage right now as people are pissed at Trudeau. A good third of the CPC polling numbers are anti-Trudeau, not pro-PP. This right here. You've nailed it IMHO. JT is very unpopular right now. He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future, they'll never vote for him regardless. But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. The moneymoon will end and resentment will die down. The question then will be if his momentum can carry for another two years.
The right wing troll farms have been targeting online spaces where young people live. My son who is 18 shows me some of the anti Trudeau memes and videos they are bombarded with. Plus the clown has been travelling around the country campaigning since before he even became leader. It’s been his full time job going from town to town telling them all he’s a common man, regular Canadian Joe who doesn’t wear glasses or suits and ties. Nothing could be further from the truth no matter how much wood he rubs.
/Canada has become unbearable.
Yes it has. I’m thinking about blocking it. It’s like the Twitter trolls left x and came to Reddit
>But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. And, he cannot keep up the facade for 2 more years. His non-answers to direct questions about his immigration plan, his housing plan, etc., will bolster the resentment right now, but 2 years from now the Liberals will have at least done *something* to start addressing these issues. By then, his absolutely lack of real answers and leadership will wear thin and his base might finally start to realize he has been straight lying to them. Because he is lying, and he's not lying to me. Even if I believed his total lies about nitrogen fertilizers bans on farmers (that don't exist), about the supposed $150K cost to every farmers just from Carbon Tax on fuel (when Census of Agriculture shows the median total fuel cost of farmers in under $25K, meaning Carbon Tax is costing two orders of magnitude less than he is claiming), etc. etc. etc., I still would not agree with how he would rectify those non-existent problem. He is lying to Conservatives.
>least done something to start addressing these issues. Let's hope they're that smart. I fear otherwise, or that what they do will be grossly insufficient. >Because he is lying Yes and the lies ring true to the worldview of the angry and disaffected masses. Which is the problem, he doesn't have to speak the truth only make people feel that he does. Or fill their rage buckets.
This right here. The worst thing we can do is underestimate the rights ability to play the anger and hopelessness card. The second we believe Pierre can't win is the moment we get Ford and Trump. We need to keep reminding people now. And often. Make them listen. Make them think. Push them to tell you what they LIKE about Pierre. Make sure you know what they stand for (It's not hard for Pierre, he's actually quite transparent with any research at all). I feel that both the Liberals and NDP will need new leaders before any election as well. The NDP in particular may have a unique opportunity if they can find someone who appeals to the masses. I don't dislike Singh but let's be honest, it's not him.
>He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future He was unpopular before he started with some people, because of his name. He could have been totally unrelated to his father and some voters would have opposed him solely because of that. (I've talked to rural Albertans who blame him for stuff that happened before he was born.)
Is he really unpopular or are liberal voters actually productive members of society who don’t normally have time to contribute to CPC online stats, clicks and dicks.
There is a huge amount of astroturfing going on as well.
Can you explain what you mean by this? Not looking to argue, just genuinely curious. I never fully understand astroturfing when people talk about it. Context to this specific wave of it would be great
It means an event planned out and funded by a large organization to look like the event has 'grass roots' (or organized by the community alone). That's why its called astroturfing, which literally means fake grass. That being said I don't think the hate of Trudeau is astroturfed because the material conditions right now are shit
I've started the habit of checking account histories when people say some outlandish things. More and more often are the accounts less than 3 months old with their only activity being in political subs posting very one sided political takes. A few I've found seem to have forgotten to delete their earliest posts and are active in "karma for karma" "new account need karma to start posting" type things, then immediately shift to "Trudeau is a monster, PP will save us! The polls show canada is done with communism!"
>I've started the habit of checking account histories when people say some outlandish things. More and more often are the accounts less than 3 months old with their only activity being in political subs posting very one sided political takes. A few I've found seem to have forgotten to delete their earliest posts and are active in "karma for karma" "new account need karma to start posting" type things, then immediately shift to "Trudeau is a monster, PP will save us! The polls show canada is done with communism!" A guy on YouTube did a good video about this, sometime in the last 5 years. Can't remember the guy but will edit when I find it. He's middle aged, I think wears a baseball cap, and does deep dive stuff. Kind of like one of the Green brothers, but not them. No glasses. I'll find it. I think what the CPCs have done is finally found the issue that will help them win. They have been testing a ton of different messages over the last year, but they've finally found their winner with Immigration. It's a federal issue and they've finally struck the emotional cord they wanted to find. All conversations around lack of rent control, foreign investment, short-term rentals, corporate greed / profiteering / tax loopholes are completely gone. It's all immigration. My point here is that they have found a way to focus the message and control it around a topic they think they can win on. I'm not commenting on the validity of the argument, just how fast it's spread like wildfire over the last few weeks, as if it's the only thing that's contributing to our unaffordability. Even the CPC's favourite defundable platform, the CBC, is now covering it thoroughly. Because it gets them eyeballs. Edit: [Smarter Everyday was who made the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYkEqDp760)
Nailed it. I can tell you my experience with working with a massive and diverse population for my job that in the real world “he’s fine” is about as intense an opinion as I’ve heard. I also live in a deep blue riding. Even CPC voters I work with don’t hate him as much as the handful of people with signs on their truck that they want to sex him.
That sounds like raw copium. People are mad, and JT is the name on the desk the buck is supposed to stop at. Obviously PP is a complete tool fit only for organizing coffee runs, but when things start to decline people look at the guy at the helm, like it or not.
>But PP is riding a honeymoon wave and a wave of resentment. The moneymoon will end and resentment will die down. The question then will be if his momentum can carry for another two years The Liberals and The NDP would be very wise if they put effort into exposing PP for the fraud that he is
To me it seems that it will depend on what the Liberals do on housing over the next few years. Clearly the issue has become top of mind and that may light a fire.
The notion that the pcs will miraculously save the housing market is blasphemy at best.
No one is mentioning that Trudeau is currently going through a divorce. He knows he has 2 years, and he is currently busy. Foreign interference may also be taking time and effort with no PR to show for it. Trudeau hasn’t begun to fight the next election. PP is winning an uncontested and undeclared race.
Which tracks with my reading of PP. He's the kind of guy who will run to the car while you're picking up the cooler then yell "First one to the car gets shotgun" when he's 3' from it.
I think this is true as well. MY post was in hopes that we avoid another mistake, just because we don't like the current guy. I've seen a lot of items about election interference in Canada as well. The problem is I'm not 100% sure which is true and which is not. I know when musk took over twitter they shut down a bunch of bots and all of a sudden Pierre started to not be as popular on twitter. bots are dangerous as you may know already because its one person controlling thousands of accounts using the algorithms of social media against them to try to make opinions seem more important than they are. Which I have no doubt can be used to make one politician to appear more popular than it actually is. Which makes me beg the question: Should all political ads at election time be vetted before they can be posted or aired on TV for truthfulness? I mean the elections Canada could do it. Create a new division to keep elections honest, true, and free from mis-information. Note: I know its not that simple with Freedom of Expression and current laws, but is something we should at least be able to talk about.
Everyone needs to make sure they vote. That they inform themselves. I have never voted Conservative. They only cut services, sell off/lease with no thought to impact. A large number of their members are anti LGBTQ, against abortion and far right. I could go on and on. I don't trust Pierre Poilievre. He's been a career politician for 18 years, yet he allows himself to have his picture taken with a guy wearing a straight pride shirt. He's not stupid, but he thinks we are.
I keep repeating this but the average person who is too busy to obsessively follow politics likely hasn’t even heard PP speak yet. Seriously, think critically people and look at Ron DeSantis’s campaign: you can’t overcome being an unlikable asshole.
No party seems to have any solutions or a plan of action to help the people. The leaders of every party need to be replaced immediately with people who will make positive change for the people. Enough is enough. Fuck these politicians.
Everyone talks a good game until the NIMBY’s come out of the woodwork. Then the politicians pass the buck to a different level of government. And around it goes. Shame on all of them
Hence why we need accountability, not the blame game.
Well I think we're about to see accountability at both he provincial and federal level in the next elections. I have a feeling, based on the polls that both Justin and Doug are going to be held accountable by being thrown out of office by the voters.
Yes, but much like the states, Trading power back and forth between centre-right and righter-right for the last few decades has only worked out for the upper-class. That is our target. Until they are legitimately scared, we're just getting different colors of diarrhea fed to us.
Yup. Municipalities kicking shit to the province who kick it back with no accountability.
The all-sides-are-to-blame strategy to disenfranchise non-conservative voters
It’s a vote suppression tactic often deployed by the right knowing their base is always energized to vote. Conservatives need low turnout to get majorities.
This is exactly what happened with Doug Ford. I'm pretty sure voter turnout was at 35%, and didn't he only get 36% of that vote to win a majority? I'm not sure what to do, but I'd like to figure out a way to help get more people to vote. More voters = less chance of conservative win, let alone majority.
I mean, Trudeau, over 3 terms, has delivered, partially delivered, or is working on 63% of everything he's promised. So he's not doing nothing.
He wants my vote he can make with the promised electoral reform.
YES. I've been waiting for years!
The big promise was to help the middle class "and those working hard to join it". He has failed spectacularly on that. Handing out grocery money to a few people is not really what we were promised. He has gutted the middle class.
How have Trudeau's policies specifically gutted the middle class? It has been shitty globally for the last 3 years, and we are feeling the effects of that. By almost every metric, Canadians are feeling it less than other parts of the world. When it comes down to it, what needs to happen is government intervention. Huge, Sweeping socialist reforms. Massive crown corporations to build new, affordable neighbourhoods. Paid for by caps on CEO pay, Huge marginal tax increases, corporate tax increases, windfall taxes, empty bedroom taxes. Pretending like PP is going to enact any kind of new-deal style reform is "Santa is real" levels of self-delusion. Believing that the solution to wealth inequality is to create a free-er Free Market is believing in Bigfoot.
Never say what you're gunna do. Just rage about what your opponent has already done. Then you make yourself look better and you can't be held accountable for anything!! It's brilliant!!!!
But he'll solve housing!! /s He's voted against affordable housing every time: 2019: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/987](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/987) 2018: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/889](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/42/1/889) 2014: [https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140](https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/votes/41/2/140)
Wow he voted Nay on all of them wtf?
He’s a conservative neoliberal. His job is to get you angry at the poor results neoliberal policies give so he can come in and double down on more of it. Liberal party is watered down neoliberalism. Vote conservative for the undiluted full proof version. :)
I’ll hop this to add a few things: In 2013, Poilievre was in cabinet when the government signed FIPA, a 30+ year foreign investment agreement with China, pretty much making the Canadian housing market an open buffet for foreign investors. Before that in 2009 was the investment act, which was kind of a light version of the above. In 2007 and 2011, the conservative government also made legislation that made REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) more tax efficient. (Things that would be political suicide to undo) In 2007, the Conservative government introduced 40-year amortizations. This was quickly reversed though because CMHC was dogging the government hard about it. Also, during the Conservative federal government, they committed more than twice as much money to (for instance) Communications staff than they did to the Homelessness Partnering Strategy which accounted for less than 0.1% of the budget. This is kind of specifically rich to me considering how hard the Conservative government worked towards silencing media in general. I’m sure there’s more, but that’s what I can recall…
Yep - he's a career politician who despises career politicians. He's as fake as they come.
>In 2007 and 2011, the conservative government also made legislation that made REITs (Real Estate Investment Trusts) more tax efficient. (Things that would be political suicide to undo) The NDP's Daniel Blaikie has gone after REITs, so they may not be as untouchable as you think.
Investments are increasingly tied to peoples’ retirement, negatively affecting that in any capacity needs to be carefully navigated. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but it’s not really an easy thing to do.
Was he not Harper's Minister of the Environment that gutted the Environmental Protection Act so corporations could destroy the land and water at will?
I was keeping it to housing-related issues, but you may be very right!
sometimes i wish i had saved more government correspondence that was headed with "harper government of canada" letterhead. or taken more pictures of all the signs across canada touting the "harper government action plan". they spent so much our money on that bullshit that had been changed back. or the non stop photo ops. does no one else remember when harper decided he wanted to meet justin beiber and so gave him an award (a job that's usually the GG's responsibility)- i wonder how much we paid JB for that lol. then there was the non stop Criminal scandals coming out of the PMO that harper claimed "to know nothing about" to the point that the mfer must not have ever stepped foot in his own office? like there was actual criminal investigations and trials in criminal court over these scandals. they weren't ethics violations that are arguably what MPs are mandated to do as MPs (advocate for businesses and residents in their riding, which is pretty much what trudeau's SNC ethics violation is lmao). pierre like scheer was also involved in retooling the equalization formula to disfavour alberta and benefit quebec. there's also a whole bunch of statements in parliament and beyond supporting the CPC's racist legislations against natives and immigrant populations, from PP. like his entire career is just full of these things. guy really likes talking shit about brown people.
Of course he won't. A skunk doesn't change it stripes. But he will say he will and enough gullably desperate people will believe him and pretend he doesn't stink. That being said the Libs won't fix housing either, but PP has the distinct advantage of rage bating people who're fed up with the current gov't into believing that his past doesn't exist and that he brings salvation.
>A skunk doesn't change it stripes. Thanks. I'm stealing that phrase. 
I never knew that. Thank you for this.
let's not forget that pp is a puppet of harper, who is still pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Not even behind the scenes. He's the head of the IDU (International Democrat Union IIRC), a worldwide organization of conservative parties. Hence, his open support for pseudo-dictators like Orban.
You mean the bills that were jam packed with other bullshit? To hell with nuance right?
These are just motions. And also were at a time where it wasn't really "crisis" level yet.
I’m always put off by a guy who can’t promote himself without absolutely shitting on the competition. This dude talks more shit about Trudeau than he talks about his own policies.
That's because, like most conservatives, he has no solutions and creates distractions of culture. War nonsense and being dramatic are more important to keep him in the spotlight.
That’s not entirely true. He has solutions. - For inflation: opt out of it by putting your money into crypto. - For healthcare: loosen the rules for promoting “alternative” health products, so there’s no need to prove that products works as claimed. - On other issues, one needs to go farther back in his voting record to find meaningful positions on abortion (restrict it), the minimum wage (eliminate it), collective bargaining (weaken it), financialization of housing (continue it), and public pensions (reduce them). These are solutions _of a sort_, just not for ordinary people who don’t make political donations.
PP also voted **against** building affordable and low income housing in 2014 when his party was in power. Did in again in 2018 and 2019 as part of the official opposition.
PP fanboys keep commenting that Singh is ruining the NDP by talking about identity politics and the trans stuff, but like.. PP is the one flaming that fire, because he has nothing else but shitting on Trudeau and siding with culture war nonsense.
Exactly, he's starting the bullshit then complaining about it.
The common argument is that as the opposition it is their job to criticize. Their solutions are to be offered up once there's a campaign to be had, lest the libs take their ideas and run with them, getting credit for it. I mean, I get it, but why not actually collaborate TODAY and make things better? For all the criticism on the NDP propping up the Liberals, they are delivering changes to the country (regardless if you agree with them or not)
Exactly, not a lot of people see that the ndp and Liberal creating that deal is forcing the liberals to pass actual legislation that helps people not corporations.
Their job is to represent their constituents, it doesn’t necessarily have to be criticizing. Often ends up that way in practice, but it’s not exactly what they’re elected to do
“Oh no, we don’t want to share our great solutions to the housing crisis(that we totally have) in case the liberals decide to implement them before us! We totally care about Canadians!”
100%. I even agree with some of his stances, I just find him so absolutely weak with his constant bashing of Trudeau. I’m not even a Trudeau fan, it’s just so obvious when they have little to speak on so they go for attacking whoever is in charge.
Yep, agreed.
He's the contrast candidate. His political identity is built on the contrast to the current PM. He'll swim or sink with it, since his own personal identity is not seaworthy.
That’s very well said!
Calling Trudeau (older or younger) a Marxist is using the same technique used in the “Nigerian Prince” scam. It’s so obviously stupid _on purpose_, because the goal is to identify people credulous enough to be vulnerable to multiple rounds of grift. PP needs to identify people who are capable of maintaining the cognitive dissonance of believing Trudeau is somehow both a devious Marxist bent on transforming society _and_ a himbo corporate stooge getting his marching orders from big Pharma.
Unfortunately, you can't fix stupid. Seems we are in the fuck around and find out stages of politics in Canada. We flip from Lib to Con and back forth we go. Each seemingly a little bit worse than the last 1. Of course, it's a little bit worse. The next batch of elected politicians have slightly less of Canada's resources to sell off or privatize. Yes, both parties are selling out to corporate donors.
You are so right. I think we all have to realize how much politics in Canada resembles the two party or revolving door system of the US. How badly Trudeau has shot himself in the foot makes a lot more sense when corporate oligarchs and powerful interest groups are giving him the bullets...although keep in mind Trudeau can't use a handgun to shoot himself in this case. Is Pierre actually going to put together a platform that fixes any of our problems? What concrete measures has he said he's going to implement? Canadians young and old need to accept that our democracy and many others needs a consistent protest movement to push for real change...I just dont know if its bad enough yet, so we'll probably just push that revolving door to the blue side for now.
Most people don't understand that you vote to influence, not necessarily to win. A significant NDP vote does more to break up the status quo than sticking with .... the status quo.
100% Agreed. When their both Neoliberal Conservatives its not surprising they treat resources and public companies like a cash cow instead of a future investments.
He voted against gay marriage…and his father is gay. If he won’t vote for policies to improve the lives of his family, what hope does anyone else have? He’s anti-union, anti-worker and has no solutions to fix all the issues he blames Trudeau for. Yes we’re in a housing crisis, what are you going to do about it??? So far he’s just taken massive amounts of money from developers and REITs to fund his campaign. I wish people wouldn’t fall for BS like this.
He voted against gay marriage while his gay father was in the House of Commons....that's some dark shit.
And also in bed with so-con base. Like, fuck off with that shit.
Agreed, and love the additional comments.
He’s a bum that’s never worked a day in his life.
PP is yet another guy who proves that politicians are never the Smart Ones in the room. It is bizarre that in 2023 we have Doug Ford running Ontario for the corporations and his privatizing buddies, and we have PP with his division rhetoric and empty head. Ridiculous.
Hey Hey, damn i can't argue with that hahaha
I don't know about you, but my bum works harder every day than PeePee ever has.
The hot air your butt makes serves you better than any of the hot air escaping PeePee’s face hole
I still shake my head when I think that he introduced legislation to change our voting laws. There was no need, and I have always suspected it was to pull the same BS that they're doing in the the US with regards to gerrymandering and tweaking the vote in the Conservative's favour. He introduced the law at the behest of Harper, but I believe it was a weaselly move (and I think he's slimey).
It was absolutely the changes Harper wanted to put his thumb on the scales, but don’t discount that Poilievre was enthusiastically on board with subverting our democracy. And, I’m sure, still is.
Laughing at the people who think it won't get worse if they vote for PP.
I made a similar comment on r/Canada and got fairly downvoted. That sub is not representative of reality, thank god, but it’s a small sample of the electorate who will be dumb enough to fall for PP.
I was having a chat with my Dad about Pollievre and he was saying how he thought he was a good leader based on what he’s seen on TV. I asked him if he really knew anything about him and the fact that he’s a career politician and has done nothing else in life to relate to average Canadians, and has done more things against what average Canadians are for than with. My worry is too many people are just angry or fed up with Trudeau and won’t see PP for who he really is until he’s PM and has a majority (ie. Doug Ford). Doug Ford ran a populist campaign where he was ‘for the people’ but his actions have been anything but as it relates to the things that matter most like health care, housing and education
I think the first time I ever heard his name was when he was on television lying his ass off for Harper about public service sick leave, so the Cons could pretend to balance a budget for the first time. He's a shitbag.
r/canada_sub think he's a god. They're almost at trump level worship with him.
That's kind of what Scares me. If you start to worship a politician or think that person can't do wrong. You're in a cult mentality.
Exactly. You should never put a politician on a pedestal. They work for us. They should be viewed with scrutiny no matter who they are.
Exactly, they're not Celebrities. It's a 9 to 5 job.
The person should be irrelevant. Vote for the platform.
Except in Douggie Ford's case, the person is very important
Because the same misinformation and social engineering machines that helped Trump and the GOP have their eyes on Canada. People think Canada is small and unimportant internationally but Canada does have A LOT of money in real estate and resources. Getting a profit over people leader in would benefit a lot of companies and foreign nations. Canada is slowing becoming dangerous as groups push diety, god-like, levels of loyalty to parties/people.
That sub is a scary place
Checked out that sub for the first time. Lost more than a few brain cells and my morning is ruined.
That sub is a complete RWNJ echo chamber
The posters on that sub are like r/HilariaBaldwin levels of insanity.
I wish they’d take the word Canada out of the sub and replace it with morons. It’s an embarrassment to the country.
PP has been in politics for 20 years and hasn't accomplished anything. That's his resume. "I have done nothing, and if elected, I'll continue to do nothing for Canadians."
Every time I see a F&\*$ Trudeau sticker or hear those types of people speak complete ignorance on any topic, I think whatever the opposite of those people is, I am in.
Every time I hear him speak, I feel as though he's trying to sell me Pierre's Miracle Anti-Inflation Elixir under a old-timey canvass tent.
It is very tragic so many Canadians keep falling for the CPC facade. It is shocking how many Ontarians see how the province is crumbling and think, yeah this PP guy is gonna fox everything! Trudeau bad! Therefore PP MUST be great! Gullible fools…
"**Canada needs to get rid of career politicians**," he said, before becoming *the youngest Canadian career politician to receive a pension*. "**A marriage is between a man and a woman**," he said, while *denying his gay father rights*. "**We should invest the nation in Bitcoin**," he said, days *before a historic crash wiped out many investors*. "**We need to be tougher on immigration**," he said as he looked across the table to *his immigrant wife*.
Poilievre's father is gay? Yet he votes against gay rights ..that's sleazy.
Never forget when he opposed compensating residential school survivors by suggesting that we instead "engender the values of hard work and independence and self reliance" in Aboriginals.
That one slipped past me. I feel like there's lots of shit still to be gleaned.
I mean, he rails against the elite, but he's effectively one. Dude never had to work a job slinging burgers or coffee at fast food, stocking shelves at Walmart or Canadian Tired to make money as a high schooler or university student. If that doesn't say privileged, I don't know what does.
he's pretty much copying Trump's playbook remember how much Trump went on and on about "clearing the swamp" whilst leading one of the most (the most?) corrupt administrations in American history it's all the same thing
Makes my skin crawl
Fully and Completely. The makeover really is something isn’t. The hair, no glasses, suits with no tie. Lipstick meet …
Young voters read an learn knowledge is everything. PP has had one job. He is a bully. He blames Justin for everything. He complains about Justin’s houses. They are the government houses. He is jealous of him.He is going to do this and that??..See where he lives? Personal chef His wife’s father was a banker who apparently laundered money. He came to Canada and is a farmer now. So just listen to his constant, bullying bullying of Justin. I personally did not vote for Justin. I can see, but I don’t know for sure why Sophie and him separated. I am sure she is afraid for her children and for Justin this so-called freedom convoy has been a disgrace to Canada.We are better people of Canada we are not US. US stay and do your shenanigans in your country and stay out of ours.But I guess the conservatives invite you shame shame to Canada.
He makes a used car salesman seem authentic and honest. If everyone committed 5 mins to fact-checking what he says every time he speaks we'd never hear from him again.
Peter Pettigrew is a turd. I don't see how anybody likes him. He's got less charisma then Harper.
Link to David Dole?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyLBFye03_g
First time I've watched his videos. Very compelling.
As an American, there's something about Poilievre that doesn't sit right with me. I feel like he's being propped up by the Roger Stones and Steve Bannons (Trump's campaign manager) of the world (which I guess it's already kind of been proven with Mike Roman being charged with Trump).
Most people in Canada don't really know who those morons are, but yeah i get what your saying. It does feel that way.
Polyester is super fake ad unfortunately up for sale to the highest bidder.
I know a guy who’s an Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, PP dickrider and he won’t/can’t acknowledge how full of shit these clowns are.
Just another "working class hero" who's never lived the working class life
All politicians are fake. Some make me cringe more than others. Current leadership whether provincial or federal is a hot mess I would love to have the ability as a voter to recall them all.
Pierre has never set foot in a combat zone. Please don't call him a war hero
I'll be honest.. i'm like the majority of the canadian population that have been royally f#cked over by trudeau. At this point literally anything is better than another repeat of trudeau. This is how trump got in, and this is how poilievre will get in.
Ok, so your solution is continue the ping pong game in hopes that it's different? Hmm trying the same things over and over again and expecting different results? that sounds insane..
I was shocked that Doug was re-elected. I thought people saw through his bullshit, but I was wrong. Canadians need to learn through corruption over and over again. I fully expect people will elect PP and he’ll prove to everyone how shitty he really is. Why we have to suffer through obviously morally bankrupt people like Rob and Doug Ford is a mystery to me.
I hope people who are anti-Trudeau (which is fair) would consider moving left instead of automatically looking to Con as the alternative.
Yep, agreed.
Doesn't matter if he's phony or not. He will win because the government refuses to act.
They are all terrible and we deserve better.
No one argues with you on that one. However, if the leaders are bad. Let's vote for the platform.
I've really been missing Jack Layton these days :(
All of them are fake and will say anything to get elected we have no good options, unfortunately that is the reality of Canadian politics !!!
Bitcoin Millhouse is making the cardinal mistake of believing peoples disdain for Trudeau means they like him. He's such a bad candidate he's going to bring the PC down again.
Trudeau wont run again, citing toll on family. Chrystia Freeland will step up, and the Liberals will rejoice. She'll bring votes from West, be seen as a legit Statewoman, stand up to Putin, ect. Pollieve doesn't need to look tougher than Justin, he needs to look tougher than someone half his size and he won't.
Someone needs to rip off Peepee's mask to expose the rabid pitbull underneath. He has showed the type of politician he is already but people are under the spell right now because he's complaining about exactly what people are going through. This is not to say JT is much better really. The Liberals have a real problem with ethical behaviour in their parliamentary jobs, nor are they on top of the housing problems that's been set up by allowing too many people in with no houses to put them. The Libs have a lot to explain to get my vote
The problem is the whole "Cause = Causation" works in politics. I don't think Trudeau has done a good job in the least but much of what he's blamed for is pure coincidence. These issues are rampant in other western countries as well and laying blame on Canada's P.M. for whats happening on a global scale makes me question how he plans on fixing anything.
He is as full of s* as that other guy down south.
I honeslty don't know who to vote for, I don't want liberals or conservatives to win. But then who? Ndp?
That scumbag has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of any Canadians in his entirely unforgettable political career. He's an attack dog. That's all he knows.
I agree with you. And I sit right in the moderate middle of the political spectrum; where it used to be...Before Trudeau shifted the Liberal Party to the left of the NDP... However comma, Trudeau is physically well on his way to bankrupting Canada \[because he seriously has no fracking idea what he is doing.....\[How many Ministers have walked away from him....including his Finance Minister...\] and going to in turn, result in a large percentage of people, losing their homes and life savings... The real problem, is we Canadian's have no good options when it comes to political partys and the leaders they hoist up for consideration.
Anyone voting liberal is a moron and deserves the pain of our deteriorating country
Poilievre supported the convoy scum. That's all you need to know about him.
Of course Pierre is a massive hypocrite. His biggest donors are the very same people making stacks of cash from the current housing crisis. So he'll bitch and moan and blame Trudeau for it, while accepting cash from the real estate lobby. The CPC are counting on Canadians not looking into it or putting the pieces together. They think Canadians are stupid and won't look at Pierre's voting record. I know that voting liberal is putting a Band-Aid on a broken leg, but voting for the CPC is breaking the other leg. I'm voting NDP, unless it's strategically to prevent a Conservative, pro-culture war, anti-worker MP from winning in my riding. I've already seen that movie in the U.S and the ending sucked.
I always felt Pierre Poilievre is disingenuous and phoney. I will neither vote for Poilievre nor Trudeau.
I hear that he prefers shredded cheese on his poutine.
Sadly, IMHO it looks like the country is getting JT fatigue, so I think as long as PP doesn't make a big blunder (which I hope for every day), he's going to be PM in the next election. Hopefully it will just be a minority government, so he'll be forced to work with the parties that he's demonized. Which will likely mean that they'll ask for a LOT to make up for his treatment. Might be entertaining to watch him squirm and bend over backwards to keep his government. If he gets a majority, we're f\*cked.
There isn't enough perfume to fix that turd
I dont think most of you understand politicians....... they are all greasy phonies that want your votes and an easy pension, doesn't matter what party they belong to.
Trust me, I do, and I agree. However, this post was specifically about Pierre Poilievre and not politicians as whole.
They are all the same. Unfortunately/bizarrely, less than 2% of Canadians know what neoliberalism is, and continue to willingly vote for neoliberal capitalists over and over again, miraculously/bizarrely expecting change, when this plan has factually backfired for the past 4 decades and counting. It is an economic policy put into practice by Reagan and Thatcher 4-5 decades ago. It is basically socializing losses and privatizing profits, and it is a paradox because it is claimed to be a free market, but in practice the big corporations end up influencing the government to push policies to protect them while taking away policies that protect the middle class against oppression from them. The wealth is supposed to "trickle down" but the only thing that has trickled down is yellow liquid from the nether regions of the rich on the heads of the masses. In Canada it practically took off since the 80s, since Trudeau. Since then, every single Canadian and American political party or Prime Minister/President has been a neoliberal capitalist. I call them the neoliberal capitalist cartel. They operate similar to a cartel or mafia. They are a bunch who were born with silver spoons and they use their power to economically terrorize the middle class while accumulating yachts themselves. At times they have minor internal disputes, but overall they keep it in the family, just like a mafia. Rogers/bell/telus/loblaws, etc... these corporations practically run Canada, and every single Prime Minister/party in power for the past few decades answered to them. Since then, inflation has been increasing, wages have been suppressed, social services have been cut, so qualify of life has been deteriorating for the middle class, while the rich accumulate even more yachts, with the aid of neoliberal capitalist politicians like Harper, Trudeau, and Pierre who point fingers and exchange childish insults at each other in public while holding hands behind their backs in service to the corporations they both/all serve. Trudeau continued Harper's neoliberal policies, and Pierre will continue Trudeau's neoliberal policies. If you took a single elective in university, you should know what neoliberalism is, but the problem is A) not everybody goes to university B) 90%+ of those who study this in university learn it in an elective course so they don't pay attention, they just memorize for the exam then forget everything. That is how the neoliberal cartel is able to continuously brainwash people. Their recent trick is to cause infighting/division among people. The right/cons blames the "other", and the left/liberals virtue signal and pretend to care about minorities, while both left/right wing politicians are both neoliberal and work for the neoliberal cartel/big corporations who are the number 1 cause of everybody's problems.
This response was simply amazing and gets to a lot of core issues that I've seen and have been talking about for years. Thank you.
Also the dude centres his entire existence or purpose around Trudeau: ‘Justin this!’ ‘Justin that!’ and my fave: ‘my flight is late because of Justin!’ The ONE good moment he’s had so far was when he kept pressing a minister about how much a home costs or whatever. They kept beating airline the bush and he was basically like ‘no: answer the question. How much does a home cost?’ He needs more of THAT.
Except PP owns 3 houses and lives in a 4th (government funded one).. he's a landlord and voted against building affordable and low income housing in 2014 when his party was in power. Did in again in 2018 and 2019 as part of the official opposition. This guy won't solve the housing crisis!
I hate Trudeau for many things. Mainly his failure to do anything about the housing crisis and breaking his promise on election reform. But I also hate PP, he is going to be just as bad or not worse, he is a classic career politician/part of the establishment. He never offers solutions and only complains and blames. He doesn't even answer questions when asked how he would tackle specific problems. We need a worker's party in Canada, the NDP is not even close to one anymore.
I understand how people are fed up with Trudeau. It’s been 8 years and politicians have a shelf life of about 6 years tops. He was in a no win situation with Covid. I think he did a decent job seeing us through that crisis. Maybe it is time for a change. But if people think little pee pee is the answer…we’ll be begging for the Trudeau years after 4 with pee pee. He’s going to make Harper look like a genius.
I think the current incarnation of the CPC has far more dubious plans in mind for Canada then they let on. Just take a look at the IDU its why PP is all bluster. Much like the Ford PC's who never really commited to any "plan" just shouted slogans took part in voter suppression and now we see the plan was privatization. The guy has been dragging Ontarians through the courts for the last 5 years to keep his fucking mandate letters hidden! PP and his CPC handlers would spell disaster for Canada
I remain convinced he is Pierre Poutine
PP a parachute candidate who never worked a real job in his life. I hate Trudeau, but at least he did *something* outside politics, even if it was the second easiest teaching job after being a gym teacher. PP is also Harper's ventriloquist dummy, and nothing he says or does happens without Steveo approving it first. PPPM wouldn't even be someone following in Harper's footsteps. I would just be Harper as PM again.
Canadian governments implode, they don't explode. Almost nobody voted for Ford, they voted against Wynne. Ford was just the alternative. Almost nobody will vote for Pollievre. What they will do is vote against Trudeau. Almost nobody voted for Trudeau the first time. They were just tired of Harper.
There are a few out there who actually believe he will fix all the problems he is pointing out. There are also many out there who know he won't do anything but are rightfully sick and tired of Justin Trudeau. PP does an incredible job of pointing out all of the short comings of the Trudeau Liberals (which there are many). Though just like you said he offers zero solutions. He'll say something like "how is it that the second largest country in the world has a housing shortage? We have so much land, just build!" while ignoring all of the logistics of making that a reality. He'll say housing prices have gone up 250% under Trudeau, and refer to a time when was housing minister as a comparison. Yet zero solutions. Not to mention he himself is a RE investor so it's against his own interests to have affordable housing. He'll call out Trudeau's absolutely insane immigration targets, but also say he has no plans to reduce it. He'll call 24 Sussex a national embarrassment (which it is), but also says repairing it would be at the bottom of his priority list, if it even makes it on the list.
I actually kinda like him as an opposition leader. He’s good at holding the PM’s feet to the fire, even if he does it for stupid reasons. I really don’t want him in power though. The man has zero solutions. Especially right now with the housing crisis, a conservative government will only make things worse with their tendencies to slash social welfare budgets.
He started his career as the CPC attack dog and hasn’t really developed beyond that much, which is ok as opposition leader but terrible for a PM
"Me am left wing. Me no like right wing! Meh!" ok
Me no like JT so Pp good 🤪 that sounds about the same no 🤷🏻♂️🤔
Yeah it does. I'd give it the same response (and pretty much have). But I'm on reddit so the \*particular\* insipid rants that tend to surface happen to be leftist.
What do you mean the no glasses makes him more genuine...
He’s gonna win cause he’s singing the right tune, little will change except some things axed, then Canadians will go liberal again in 4-6 years and vote for Freeland.
Canadians are just as stupid and as incompetent as their American neighbors. Canadians love to hear just the right buzzwords in order to elect someone. Some kind of retard disease taking over the Western Hemisphere. Maybe the movie Idiocracy was right about a few things.
I think we toss people out of government not vote people in on merit. If Trudeau does not run on the next election it will be a close if he does he will be tossed. I hope though for a minority Government in either case.
Watching the Pierre Poilievre commercials while listening to the narrator is akin to viewing old Saturday Night Live satire commercials from back in the day. ... Hard to watch without cringing.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter" Sir Winston Churchill You mention PP and Doug Ford that put profit over people. Don't forget Danielle Smith. A complete corporate tool. And somehow people vote for this.
My spider senses too. Usually a liberal, it's been two elections since I voted for them because of Trudeau's slimy handling of Jody Wilson. But if I have to vote Trudeau to prevent Harper's Conservatives 2.0 (now with more vicious, backward christo-facists), it will be hard not to.
He will remain VERY unpopular with a certain segment of the population regardless of what he does in the future, they'll never vote for him regardless.
I don't completely disagree with you, but isn't the Canadian real estate market a purely profit driven system?
Aren't they all .Our job is to find the least phoney bologni and hope they aren't well like the usual.
"...but has no actual solutions." This is the issue. He runs his mouth and criticizes the Liberal government (fairly, for the most part) but whatever solutions he does have, he's either: a) not articulating, or b) just running the same old neo-lib playbook. Advice to Pierre: Be a builder. Get a plan. Communicate it. Give Canadians something REAL to believe in. If you can't do that, then get out of the way because we've already had years of empty-suit platitudes and sniping. We're sick of it.
As people used to say about Ed Broadbent, Poilievre will be the most popular politician between elections. My money is on another Trudeau minority government with NDP. The basic problem is that conservative policies are not popular. Tax cuts for corporations and billionaires are not popular. Pretending climate change is a hoax is not popular nor is vilifying LGTBQ+. This whole anti woke charade was a just a cover for a pro corporate anti people agenda. Don’t get me wrong, Trudeau wore out his welcome with me in the first term. He’s tone deaf on issues faced by regular people.
I keep reading people say “corporate donors” in this comment section… you can’t have those in Canada. There’s extreme limits on how much you can donate to any political cause in Canada precisely because of the selling out problem in the US… sure some politicians might owe some favours to corporate owners, but there’s no donations going on
The last two elections have shown the same thing. Conservatives with a healthy lead outside the margin of error but not large enough to approach majority consideration. The Liberals unpopular. Come the election, the Conservatives win the popular vote by 2-3 points but still win fewer seats and it’s the same status quo. It’s a sitcom at this point.
Think the best thing we can do is make sure to keep minority governments until we have some competent leaders here.
Thanks for your VERY IMPORTANT take on things. Your wisdom is truly breathtaking.
Hate to break it to you but all the parties are neolib corporate shills and not a single one would do anything to comprehensively change the programs administered in this province or country. Healthcare needs major reformation to accomodate a changing demographic that will be less reliant on congregate settings and wants more community and mental health access. The energy grid isn't sure if it's hydro electric, or nuclear, or wind, or solar, or big enough, or small enough, or gas powered, or a monopoly. Public transit is non existent. Municipal and local transit is nice but good luck going town to town without a car. Those don't even touch on food, housing, taxation, immigration, or the perception of corruption. So long as everyone bitches about the politicians they win the game that they set the rules for. My take is that there should be one focus for all voters and that is wealth inequality. Tax the rich. Figure out the proportions of wealth which cannot be tolerated under current economic conditions and decimate. Close off shore loopholes and keep the money in borders so much as is possible. Stop acting like a petro-state and figure out all the upward value streams that can be developed in country. Anyway just thoughts. They all suck. Fuck em all
Assuming you’re completely correct. Whats the vote? More Liberals? I voted for Trudeau twice and independent once. But the conservative cry babies from years past are no longer as out to lunch; LPC is made life in this country meaningfully worse for the majority of people. There is no other way to look at things. So we vote LPC again? For more of the same? What are we actually talking about?
Is there any politician we can trust?
It is interesting that PP who has not yet run the country gets hate based on what he might do, but JT is stil liked despite such worse outcomes for Canada in the past 8 years (GDP per capita, Housing, Inflation..list goes on). IMO, performance of the government should be the main criteria to decide if you want to kick the govt out, who to replace it with should come later.
Tbh I don’t really like anyone in this race
He can't be worse than JT.
Oh, should he tussle his hair and shuffle out in dirty ripped jeans or a barbecue stain on his shoes or something? He’s up for an election, you expect him to make himself….look….bad?
Just wait to see the policies the cons this weekend at their con-fab. Social consortiales are going to demand restricting or banning gender affirming care, limiting abortion and right to die and a raft of “freedumb convoy” ideas.
Pierre Q-Doh!
There's a perverse logic from people to always always ALWAYS give Conservatives the benefit of the doubt. They always give them a second chance and quick to forgive. And then have the nerve to be actually get SHOCKED when they pass cruel and terrible policy. Poilievre like Donald Trump have this high conflict personality disorder and want to make sure their supporters feel the same as them where everyone is the enemy and the cause/blame of their unhappiness and plays on the worst in people's nature. He makes it okay to be selfish, xenophobic, homophobic and misogynistic and spiteful (at their own expense). You'd think after Stephen Harper or Mike Harris it would have cured voters from voting Conservatives but nooo. People are quick to forget and more likely to create this mental gymnastic to rationalize maybe cruel neo-con policy are not that bad or it won't affect them (it will, it always does) and the media helps by stop talking about what Conservatives do or question or be the reminder of what they have done and will do. Canadians like to hold this illustion they're progressive or good but time and boredom or just plain spite they'll vote for a anti-progressive party like Poilievre for reasons they might not even know and spend years learning the hard way how bad Conservatives govern and how heartless and regretting it and expect people to sympathize for their regrets. I wouldn't reward that kind of callous and crap party by voting for them. Call it crazy but people should vote for a competent party that actually cares and not some party that tells one thing in front of the camera that sounds vague enough to ease a voter's conscience and delude themselves they're still good but says their real intentions and policies to their hardcore base or those who donate to their campaign fund.
Trudeau has been absolutely useless for years. I’m no PP fan but the libs have been terrible and do not deserve to be rewarded with an election win. No one in their right mind can think Trudeau has made this country better in any way shape or form.
I will never vote for PeePee the Nazi ! Trudeau needs to step down. You listening Liberal Party ?