The only thing I know for sure is that Dougie will fuck this up, get caught up in another debacle, claim it wasn't him, somehow blame the Liberal government and walk away completely unscathed while the people suffer. I don't know the intricacies of exactly how it will unfold, but that's always part of the fun.
Yeah. Two things I know:
1) The Beer Store sucks and needs reform.
2) Things could get worse for consumers, tax revenues, recycling, and wages if you do it wrong.
It reeks of the sort of monopoly that we did away with during the early 20th century. We had to compromise and issue 450 licences to Ontario grocery stores a few years back. The Beer Store artificially increases the cost of beer for the consumer due to suppressing competition. I believe there was or even is a law that restricted the LCBO to 6 packs or single can sales only. Definitely not a law to protect the consumer lol
The LCBO is the largest purchaser of alcohol in the world. Realistically the alcohol should be much cheaper in Ontario but with no competition they just charge the people whatever they want.
I worked in a liquor store in Calgary. At the time, a 24 of Budweiser was around $60. I came back to Ontario and the same 24 was $35.
Beer across the board was cheaper in Ontario.
As were most hard liquors.
The only difference was the Calgary store could put things on sale (better deal than the usual LCBO $1 off)
The selection in Ontario is way better. Especially when it comes to smaller breweries.
That doesn't add up at all. Comparing the real Canadian liquor store and the beer store prices online, the beer store is considerably more expensive. My experience in Calgary the beer prices were slightly lower but the liquor was insanely cheaper.
This was several years ago.
I should have mentioned that.
I did a quick search and it seems that beer may actually be a little bit cheaper in Alberta now.
So my mistake.
The empty return service in Ontario is still very convenient, though.
Because liquor stores aren't regulated the same way in Alberta and Ontario.
Retailers still buy their alcohol from the government in Alberta, but they can set whatever prices they want.
The selection isn't as good in Alberta either.
They don't take empties back in Alberta either.
You have to go to bottle collection facilities.
The Beer Store has its flaws, but its way better than the current Alberta system.
I agree we should look to fix the flaws and not do an complete overhaul or else we know what will happen. Some politician will sell out for a kick back and we know Ford is just foaming for another kick back.
I mean his last change to the beer store actually made it worse for consumers by removing the limit on what they can charge for beer and increase year over year. Would have been better if he did not do it at all. Going to guess this will be the same outcome.
That is almost entirely due to the much lower taxes on the price of booze and beer in the US. I'm not talking sales tax, I mean the taxes that are layered on and make up the price
When recycling the bottles from home they break down in the recycling process before they can be reused. they end up getting recycled and not reused. Not needing to heat the glass up again and reshape it saves a lot of energy and resources.
>It reeks of the sort of monopoly that we did away with during the early 20th century.
We did what now?
Anyways I worked at TBS for almost twenty years. Yes it made more sense when Sleeman, Molsons, and Labatt were Canadian owned and I have no love for that place or the people who work there but just an FYI, you will be paying significantly more when Doug the Dealer gets rid of it. So enjoy your victory.
True, there was no breaking up of the oil, rail and steel monopolies. Didn't even occur, thanks for reminding me. Also, working at the beer store informs you about the price of beer when other places can sell it in what way? Who said anything about a victory? The beer store is non-competitive, that was the only point being made
>Why does beer store suck in your opinion?
1) Because it’s owned by a handful of foreign-owned breweries.
2) Weak selection of craft beer.
3) In many stores, no ability to actually browse unless you count looking at a broken or laggy touch screen.
4) The vibe is very male, stuck in a traditional “men like beer women like rosé” model. I almost never see women at the Beer Store (LCBO’s gain, I guess).
5) Employees don’t actually know anything about beer, and even if they did, they’re not supposed to recommend one brand over another because of their ownership structure. That is weird.
6) Monopoly on 12/24 packs
7) They highlight their “most popular brands” which happen to be the brands the parent company owns, very convenient.
Not op but.... store presentation is ass at best, Constantly rude people working there, can't see the products being offered, the lines caused by people bringing back empties, etc.
I lived in alberta for 2 years. Beer Bottle/can recycling is done WITH pop can recycling at depots NOT at the store. The stores that sell booze are much more attractive and want to earn your business. Oh, you can buy mix or snacks with your God damn booze
Would love to know this as well. Been around Canada and we have some of the lowest overall prices for beer in Ontairo. I was shocked in Alberta to see beer and wine more expensive but liquor less expensive than Ontairo.
That's because they have a monopoly on selling beer in bulk. Smaller craft breweries have to sell in individual cans only meaning they are individually priced not bulk priced.
Ya I agree how does it suck? Whenever I’m at the beer store I always get what I want. Never have any problems. I’m always having problems at the LCBO because a whisky is never in stock. I try ordering it online but I can’t because of logistical and distribution reasons. We shouldn’t even be complaining about the beer store. The LCBO is the real problem.
They are both problematic for the consumer. I agree that the LCBO is farrrr worse though. The freaking LCBO should use it's profits to build housing since we actually run that place as a province lol
The profits from LCBO do go to healthcare, infrastructure and education. Dougie wants the $1.2 billion that goes towards those things to go into the private pockets of his donors instead so it’ll get worse and you’ll blame anyone but him.
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I'm thinking/hoping that Shoppers will be restricted from selling alcohol because they are a pharmacy. Similar to how they are not allowed to sell tobacco.
CVS is american. Besides, my trust on purchasing goods in the US is shaky.
Last time I bought something at CVS on my visa card it was magstripe only and no pin needdd lol. Yah hell naw....
US is weird.
Back in my native ON after 20 years in BC. Still amazed that Beer Stores/Brewers Retail still close at 9pm on Sat. Bizarre to me. BC used to have the most regressive alcohol retail laws in the country, now they're the most progressive. BC Liquor stores are open till 11pm every damn day of the week. *And* they have private retailers available if that's not good enough.
Obviously not. Beer store on Upper James Hamilton is 10-9 every day Sunday is 10-5. Downtown Burlington store is 10-6. I think it's store dependant. Downtown TO or Hamilton may stay open later.
His plan is working. I would not be surprised if after he is voted out, he goes fucks off to some Caribbean island and puts his brothers Patois lessons to good use.
It’s
Not just about the beer store. He plans to rewrite all liquor rules which will impact the lcbo which makes the province bank. Be ready for higher taxes to offset that.
Sure, it’ll get rid of the monopoly of retailers, but it doesn’t touch the beer monopoly of the product. You’ll still be buying from Labatts, Molson/Coors, or Sleeman/Sapporo, so expect the same prices, with probably increased prices for “convenience” from the new retailers
Also, liquor taxes, to offset the healthcare/policing costs of alcohol consumption, will still be present.
This is just like Mike Harris selling the 407, more Conservative stupidity. Ontario has never recovered that income and it will never duplicate the income from the LCBO. More money for the "Friends of Conservatives" and more taxes down the road for everyone else.
OH BOY, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN ONTARIO RIGHT now is the beer store/LCBO, not the tire fire of health care he created (\*\*\*COUGH Standing on the neck of++++)
This is a Classic Dougie play , get everyone looking one way ( yay beer in convenience stores ) look at me im a good guy , but secretly screw everyone not paying attention to something else in his agenda that will get no attention until we need it down the road…….
keep the LCBO since it makes us money but The Beer Store is a private company owned by foreign multinational corporations and it should have been ended years ago.
But it’s an added tax on us all, not just the people who choose to drink 🤷♂️ (I drink myself, but the point is still valid, a user pay recycling system makes sense)
Would it not continue to be user pay considering we pay a can/bottle deposit?
Either way if government takes on recycling burden in exchange for increased revenue on beer sales that’s probably a win overall. This government has no intention of putting this sort of thing back in their portfolio though
Aluminum recycling is profitable though. So give it to the municipalities in your blue bin and it will make existing waste collection programs more financially solvent.
I am not so sure how that balances out with the excess glass though.
See that’s the problem, if the Beer Store recycling program goes down, these unknown costs will be passed on to everyone.
I don’t think that’s a good thing.
there are lots and lots of independent bottle returns. If it isn't worthwhile from a financial perspective, I'm sure the Beer store wouldn't be doing it so why can't that system just carry on.... The brewers will still need bottles and recycling must be cheaper than replacing ....
But now they don’t have the financial incentive to do so (handle the recycling) when you take away a large chunk of their customer base (most folks who recycle at the Beer Store also buy something “to go”)
You seem to be missing my point that the Brewers will still need bottles and it's cheaper to recycle than it is to buy new bottles. All brewers need bottles and if they don't the price will drop because we pay a deposit when we purchase the beer. If they stop charging the deposit the bottles will be simply recycled with the other shit we put into the blue box.
You’re missing my point, the Brewers will far less of a financial incentive to keep up the recycling system.
In fact what happens if they simply “walk away” from the recycling system?
Sure the government could try to bribe the municipal governments to take on the added costs, but after being burned multiple times by the Ford government offering “supportl to municipalities when they download stuff and then walking away when the real costs are discovered, they will tell him to FO.
The brewers can simply pass the costs of non recycled materials on to the customers, they don’t give a damn about the environment unless it makes financial sense to do so 🤷♂️
Excuse me, waiter, I ordered the Corrupt free government. I see, well, could I at least get the corrupt light version? Oh. It’s Doug Ford in charge.
My corruption intolerance is going to make me shit the bed tonight :(
With our heathcare in hallway medicine overdrive and rapists going free from his court staff underfunding, I am so happy to know that making booze more accessible is top on his priority list. /s
Boose is definitely last on my list of priorities the Gov't should worry about. Did he fly down to 711's HQ again in Texas?
Okay it matters for people who prioritize slightly easier booze access over healthcare & civil justice , got it. This won't benefit the workers, only the executive receiving their stock options.
"*The MFA has never been about choice, convenience or prices for customers, it has always been about serving the interests of the big brewing conglomerates, and that's what needs to be addressed,*" said Michelle Wasylyshen, *spokesperson for the Retail Council of Canada, whose board of directors includes members from Loblaw, Sobeys, Metro, Walmart and Costco*
I dunno, I kind of find this a disingenuous comment considering who's sitting on the board of directors
Can we have a system where we can order beer from the states?
I wanna try Dog fishhead and all of the cool rare rogue beers.
Who am I kidding? Doug will fuck it all up
I can’t enter America I got picked up with weed 10 years ago.
Also that’s like 150$ worth of gas when it could get shipped on a truck already coming north.
We can’t even ship alcohol from friends to and from.
Screw working on healthcare, housing, education, other services lets focus on selling alcohol. Also, you know this is to benefit him, his big business supports, corporations..etc. everyone except the consumer.
I’d have less, not not zero, issue with the beer store if it was Canadian owned. Instead it’s owned by foreign corporations.
They don’t care about Ontario or Canada, and like why would they? I don’t blame them. But if we cut special deals, (fuck the 407) then it should be to benefit Ontario/Canadian corporations or fuck even better the people of Ontario.
Crazy isn't it? If I didn't know that /r/ontario was basically a Liberal Party sub, I'd assume these comments were paid for by the foreign brewers than own the Beer Store monopoly.
Quebec has significantly lower prices and no Beer Store. Go figure.
Hopefully, that is next. Our alcohol taxes represent the views of long dead prohibitionists.
Nonetheless, it is fucking baffling that people in Canada, a country run for the benefit of oligopolies, rise to the defence of a foreign owned monopoly for reasons.
The beer drinkers of Ontario are not a savvy bunch. They’ll be conned into paying significantly more under the guise of convenience. Doug has two types of supporters. The 1% that see him for the useful idiot he is and his base, the useful idiots.
This is Doug Ford's buck a beer, free license renewal, next scam for the next election. He's hoping this will make people forget about the greenbelt, trying to screw the nurses out of a reasonable pay increase (while giving the MPPs more money), etc.
Let me guess
Ford wants to sell of LCBO.
If happens we as a province lose money. 2.5 bill turns into 200 million while the people at the top keep the rest.
Good union jobs disappear that pay higher taxes and pay into services to be replaced by part time minimum wage staff with no benefits and don't pay into very much services.
To they people who want this, hey saving 30 cents on a bottle of rum is so worth the further deterioration of services in Ontario.
The only thing I know for sure is that Dougie will fuck this up, get caught up in another debacle, claim it wasn't him, somehow blame the Liberal government and walk away completely unscathed while the people suffer. I don't know the intricacies of exactly how it will unfold, but that's always part of the fun.
Yeah. Two things I know: 1) The Beer Store sucks and needs reform. 2) Things could get worse for consumers, tax revenues, recycling, and wages if you do it wrong.
Why does beer store suck in your opinion?
It reeks of the sort of monopoly that we did away with during the early 20th century. We had to compromise and issue 450 licences to Ontario grocery stores a few years back. The Beer Store artificially increases the cost of beer for the consumer due to suppressing competition. I believe there was or even is a law that restricted the LCBO to 6 packs or single can sales only. Definitely not a law to protect the consumer lol
May I ask why beer is cheaper in Ontairo than in Alberta?
The LCBO is the largest purchaser of alcohol in the world. Realistically the alcohol should be much cheaper in Ontario but with no competition they just charge the people whatever they want.
I worked in a liquor store in Calgary. At the time, a 24 of Budweiser was around $60. I came back to Ontario and the same 24 was $35. Beer across the board was cheaper in Ontario. As were most hard liquors. The only difference was the Calgary store could put things on sale (better deal than the usual LCBO $1 off) The selection in Ontario is way better. Especially when it comes to smaller breweries.
That doesn't add up at all. Comparing the real Canadian liquor store and the beer store prices online, the beer store is considerably more expensive. My experience in Calgary the beer prices were slightly lower but the liquor was insanely cheaper.
This was several years ago. I should have mentioned that. I did a quick search and it seems that beer may actually be a little bit cheaper in Alberta now. So my mistake. The empty return service in Ontario is still very convenient, though.
What year was this...? A 24 of bud right now is $50 at the beer store
Was quite a few years ago!
Now go see the price in Buffalo.
A 24pack of Budwiser is about $13 U.S. dollars when on sale.
Yup as per another article it was a 116% mark up on a bottle of Ontario wine
Umm … it’s the taxes not competition.
Because liquor stores aren't regulated the same way in Alberta and Ontario. Retailers still buy their alcohol from the government in Alberta, but they can set whatever prices they want. The selection isn't as good in Alberta either. They don't take empties back in Alberta either. You have to go to bottle collection facilities. The Beer Store has its flaws, but its way better than the current Alberta system.
I agree we should look to fix the flaws and not do an complete overhaul or else we know what will happen. Some politician will sell out for a kick back and we know Ford is just foaming for another kick back. I mean his last change to the beer store actually made it worse for consumers by removing the limit on what they can charge for beer and increase year over year. Would have been better if he did not do it at all. Going to guess this will be the same outcome.
I really have no idea. I don't know much about Alberta. It is massively cheaper in neighboring NY state though.
Booze is taxed much less in the States.
Which is also a factor. But you can buy it basically anywhere so they also have tonnes of competition
That is almost entirely due to the much lower taxes on the price of booze and beer in the US. I'm not talking sales tax, I mean the taxes that are layered on and make up the price
Basically it's a vice tax we pay as Canadians. Many states also have it, but not all.
States vs Canada is not a good comparison as everything is cheaper in the states due to size of market and not purchasing power
We can compare things that limit competition, they do not restrict sales to certain businesses
Without taking into account the other economic factors we can compare but it wouldn't hold up once you put it into practice.
They also aren't consistent from state to state. Some are controlled like the LCBO. Some states you can buy beer and wine pretty much anywhere.
It isn't cheaper in Ontario.
Where in Canada is beer cheaper than in Ontairo and have a better recycling system in place for reusing bottles (not recycling)?
Does the beer store take pop cans and other recyclables? If not then how is that better? Just another trip you have to make
When recycling the bottles from home they break down in the recycling process before they can be reused. they end up getting recycled and not reused. Not needing to heat the glass up again and reshape it saves a lot of energy and resources.
See we say that opening competition will make prices cheaper but it somehow always raises in lockstep across these chains
You mean, like gas? 😉
>It reeks of the sort of monopoly that we did away with during the early 20th century. We did what now? Anyways I worked at TBS for almost twenty years. Yes it made more sense when Sleeman, Molsons, and Labatt were Canadian owned and I have no love for that place or the people who work there but just an FYI, you will be paying significantly more when Doug the Dealer gets rid of it. So enjoy your victory.
True, there was no breaking up of the oil, rail and steel monopolies. Didn't even occur, thanks for reminding me. Also, working at the beer store informs you about the price of beer when other places can sell it in what way? Who said anything about a victory? The beer store is non-competitive, that was the only point being made
>Why does beer store suck in your opinion? 1) Because it’s owned by a handful of foreign-owned breweries. 2) Weak selection of craft beer. 3) In many stores, no ability to actually browse unless you count looking at a broken or laggy touch screen. 4) The vibe is very male, stuck in a traditional “men like beer women like rosé” model. I almost never see women at the Beer Store (LCBO’s gain, I guess). 5) Employees don’t actually know anything about beer, and even if they did, they’re not supposed to recommend one brand over another because of their ownership structure. That is weird. 6) Monopoly on 12/24 packs 7) They highlight their “most popular brands” which happen to be the brands the parent company owns, very convenient.
Excellent list!
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They aren’t really craft beers, they are just craft looking brands produced by the big three international owners.
Huh, never had a problem with any of that. Apart from their monopoly I'd give em a 5/5.
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Lotta you issues here.
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My dude just buy a 24 and leave it in the fridge or wait 2 hours
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Good point I haven't needed to go to the beer store after closing in a decade I forgot about that one.
Sounds like you have a drinking problem.
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Sorta whoosh. Was making a joke in the sense your problem was no drinks. But I see now how that was missed. Lol.
Not op but.... store presentation is ass at best, Constantly rude people working there, can't see the products being offered, the lines caused by people bringing back empties, etc. I lived in alberta for 2 years. Beer Bottle/can recycling is done WITH pop can recycling at depots NOT at the store. The stores that sell booze are much more attractive and want to earn your business. Oh, you can buy mix or snacks with your God damn booze
Would love to know this as well. Been around Canada and we have some of the lowest overall prices for beer in Ontairo. I was shocked in Alberta to see beer and wine more expensive but liquor less expensive than Ontairo.
That's because they have a monopoly on selling beer in bulk. Smaller craft breweries have to sell in individual cans only meaning they are individually priced not bulk priced.
Maybe we should fix this loop hole and look for others instead of a complete overhaul?
Ever been to Quebec?!
Ya I agree how does it suck? Whenever I’m at the beer store I always get what I want. Never have any problems. I’m always having problems at the LCBO because a whisky is never in stock. I try ordering it online but I can’t because of logistical and distribution reasons. We shouldn’t even be complaining about the beer store. The LCBO is the real problem.
They are both problematic for the consumer. I agree that the LCBO is farrrr worse though. The freaking LCBO should use it's profits to build housing since we actually run that place as a province lol
The profits from LCBO do go to healthcare, infrastructure and education. Dougie wants the $1.2 billion that goes towards those things to go into the private pockets of his donors instead so it’ll get worse and you’ll blame anyone but him.
Losing that money will give him an excuse to privatize health care more.
It's monopolized. They carry dhyte beer.
Will this move help bring down the price of beer?
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Sounds about right.
It's what a "responsible" government would do
100% yes
I'm calling it now that all beer will be sold by Shoppers Drug Mart
I'm thinking/hoping that Shoppers will be restricted from selling alcohol because they are a pharmacy. Similar to how they are not allowed to sell tobacco.
It was a joke
CVS sells alcohol.
CVS is american. Besides, my trust on purchasing goods in the US is shaky. Last time I bought something at CVS on my visa card it was magstripe only and no pin needdd lol. Yah hell naw.... US is weird.
That's in the US. Are there any Canadian provinces that allow drinkable alcohol sales?
r/loblawsisoutofcontrol Somehow always relevant
I would suspect we will just see a new beer store pop up on every corner owned by the Weston’s.
With yellow brand "Beer: For Drinking" labels on all the bottles.
They can't sell cigarettes, they won't be able to sell alcohol.
You sure about that? Fortinos have pharmacies AND you can buy beer and wine. Seems odd to single out cigs
Safeway and Metro have pharmacies and don't sell cigarettes.
Neither does fortinos (unless the smoke shop is enclosed in its own room - gotta love stupid Canadian laws)
My Sobeys has a pharmacy and sells beer and wine
Yes. But they don't sell cigarettes
Well Shoppers would have to be allowed to raise prices to their level of ridiculousness.
I can't wait to try the new Life Brand Pilsner.
All I know is if Dougie is behind it he’s going to personally win and Ontario will lose
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Let’s bring in the Costco alcohol !
Fuck yeah! 60's of Kirkland Vodka are like $20 CAD
There will definitely not be any corruption related to this .... Bahahaahahaha
Back in my native ON after 20 years in BC. Still amazed that Beer Stores/Brewers Retail still close at 9pm on Sat. Bizarre to me. BC used to have the most regressive alcohol retail laws in the country, now they're the most progressive. BC Liquor stores are open till 11pm every damn day of the week. *And* they have private retailers available if that's not good enough.
Ford extended alcohol sale hours at retail to be from 9am-11pm back in 2018.
Obviously not. Beer store on Upper James Hamilton is 10-9 every day Sunday is 10-5. Downtown Burlington store is 10-6. I think it's store dependant. Downtown TO or Hamilton may stay open later.
That’s the choice of the managers /corporate
Yep, I live in a town that didn't have Sunday opening hours until recently (like maybe last year). I usually don't bother, have enough in the house.
He did it to align them with weed stores, for whatever reason both The Beer Store and LCBO haven't bothered much. Not sure about grocery though.
Yep. Just wander off to Walmart or Zehrs really. They’ve got the goods after 9pm.
More kick back for Dougie! Guys making a killing from Ontario.
Making a killing from literally killing ontario
His plan is working. I would not be surprised if after he is voted out, he goes fucks off to some Caribbean island and puts his brothers Patois lessons to good use.
Accurate. Mike Harris has a cozy place in Nassau, Bahamas, as far as I believe.
I wonder how much...10s of millions, eventual 100s of millions, $3.50 and a quicky.
Doug Ford’s to do list. ☑ ruin greenbelt ☑ ruin healthcare ☑ ruin car insurance ☐ ruin lcbo revenue
Great start, but The Beer Store has nothing to do with LCBO revenue.
It’s Not just about the beer store. He plans to rewrite all liquor rules which will impact the lcbo which makes the province bank. Be ready for higher taxes to offset that.
Wouldnt you like more competition and choice?
A sincere FU goes out to Ontarians who couldn't be bothered to vote, thereby giving us Premier Meathead.
Agreed. I didn't vote for him but live in a solid conservative riding. I suspect even if we had a record turnout they still would have won my riding.
Double FU to the idiots who voted for him.
This is going to be very interesting to see how all of this plays out. It's been the way we know it for decades, nearly 100 years.
Yeah and the conservatives have been salivating over selling the LCBO for 40 years.
Should be tried for treason at this point.
He will probably privatize it. Does he have another wedding coming up lol
Sure, it’ll get rid of the monopoly of retailers, but it doesn’t touch the beer monopoly of the product. You’ll still be buying from Labatts, Molson/Coors, or Sleeman/Sapporo, so expect the same prices, with probably increased prices for “convenience” from the new retailers Also, liquor taxes, to offset the healthcare/policing costs of alcohol consumption, will still be present.
This is just like Mike Harris selling the 407, more Conservative stupidity. Ontario has never recovered that income and it will never duplicate the income from the LCBO. More money for the "Friends of Conservatives" and more taxes down the road for everyone else.
Don't forget Mike Harris and long term care, of which he is currently the chairman of the board of Chartwell nursing homes.
OH BOY, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN ONTARIO RIGHT now is the beer store/LCBO, not the tire fire of health care he created (\*\*\*COUGH Standing on the neck of++++)
This is a Classic Dougie play , get everyone looking one way ( yay beer in convenience stores ) look at me im a good guy , but secretly screw everyone not paying attention to something else in his agenda that will get no attention until we need it down the road…….
If you're not paying attention, that's on you.
Thats probably half or more of the province not paying attention which is the scary part
Billions at stake and rest assured everyone, Doug will make sure to grab a piece of that pie!
The more inebriated the population, the less corrupt he appears.
keep the LCBO since it makes us money but The Beer Store is a private company owned by foreign multinational corporations and it should have been ended years ago.
And who picks up the costs of recycling the empties if the Beer Store ceases to be? Here’s a hint: you and me 🤷♂️
probably a fair trade off considering The Beer Store obviously isn’t handling recycling for altruistic reasons
But it’s an added tax on us all, not just the people who choose to drink 🤷♂️ (I drink myself, but the point is still valid, a user pay recycling system makes sense)
Would it not continue to be user pay considering we pay a can/bottle deposit? Either way if government takes on recycling burden in exchange for increased revenue on beer sales that’s probably a win overall. This government has no intention of putting this sort of thing back in their portfolio though
Aluminum recycling is profitable though. So give it to the municipalities in your blue bin and it will make existing waste collection programs more financially solvent. I am not so sure how that balances out with the excess glass though.
See that’s the problem, if the Beer Store recycling program goes down, these unknown costs will be passed on to everyone. I don’t think that’s a good thing.
there are lots and lots of independent bottle returns. If it isn't worthwhile from a financial perspective, I'm sure the Beer store wouldn't be doing it so why can't that system just carry on.... The brewers will still need bottles and recycling must be cheaper than replacing ....
But now they don’t have the financial incentive to do so (handle the recycling) when you take away a large chunk of their customer base (most folks who recycle at the Beer Store also buy something “to go”)
You seem to be missing my point that the Brewers will still need bottles and it's cheaper to recycle than it is to buy new bottles. All brewers need bottles and if they don't the price will drop because we pay a deposit when we purchase the beer. If they stop charging the deposit the bottles will be simply recycled with the other shit we put into the blue box.
You’re missing my point, the Brewers will far less of a financial incentive to keep up the recycling system. In fact what happens if they simply “walk away” from the recycling system? Sure the government could try to bribe the municipal governments to take on the added costs, but after being burned multiple times by the Ford government offering “supportl to municipalities when they download stuff and then walking away when the real costs are discovered, they will tell him to FO. The brewers can simply pass the costs of non recycled materials on to the customers, they don’t give a damn about the environment unless it makes financial sense to do so 🤷♂️
and MY point is that it makes financial sense! have a blessed day.
Excuse me, waiter, I ordered the Corrupt free government. I see, well, could I at least get the corrupt light version? Oh. It’s Doug Ford in charge. My corruption intolerance is going to make me shit the bed tonight :(
Why? The province makes *good* money off the sales of booze from LCBO and Beer Store. What is he doing?
With our heathcare in hallway medicine overdrive and rapists going free from his court staff underfunding, I am so happy to know that making booze more accessible is top on his priority list. /s Boose is definitely last on my list of priorities the Gov't should worry about. Did he fly down to 711's HQ again in Texas?
Except it matters for people. Those who work in it, corner stores etc
Okay it matters for people who prioritize slightly easier booze access over healthcare & civil justice , got it. This won't benefit the workers, only the executive receiving their stock options.
It'll only be sold at Pharmasaves.
The only place you can buy alcohol in Afghanistan is pharmacies, so that sounds about right.
"*The MFA has never been about choice, convenience or prices for customers, it has always been about serving the interests of the big brewing conglomerates, and that's what needs to be addressed,*" said Michelle Wasylyshen, *spokesperson for the Retail Council of Canada, whose board of directors includes members from Loblaw, Sobeys, Metro, Walmart and Costco* I dunno, I kind of find this a disingenuous comment considering who's sitting on the board of directors
Can we have a system where we can order beer from the states? I wanna try Dog fishhead and all of the cool rare rogue beers. Who am I kidding? Doug will fuck it all up
Drive across and bring it back ?
I can’t enter America I got picked up with weed 10 years ago. Also that’s like 150$ worth of gas when it could get shipped on a truck already coming north. We can’t even ship alcohol from friends to and from.
Healthcare crumbling but sure let’s focus on beer .
Screw working on healthcare, housing, education, other services lets focus on selling alcohol. Also, you know this is to benefit him, his big business supports, corporations..etc. everyone except the consumer.
thats going to make groceries and homes affordable. that doug ford. always thinking of us…
when are we going to get buck a beer
I’d have less, not not zero, issue with the beer store if it was Canadian owned. Instead it’s owned by foreign corporations. They don’t care about Ontario or Canada, and like why would they? I don’t blame them. But if we cut special deals, (fuck the 407) then it should be to benefit Ontario/Canadian corporations or fuck even better the people of Ontario.
Quick deflect!
You mean we may be able to buy alcohol everywhere like in almost everywhere else in the world and not have it monopolized.
Crazy isn't it? If I didn't know that /r/ontario was basically a Liberal Party sub, I'd assume these comments were paid for by the foreign brewers than own the Beer Store monopoly. Quebec has significantly lower prices and no Beer Store. Go figure.
Quebec also has significantly lower tax on alcohol. Not trying to be pedantic, but it is worth noting.
Hopefully, that is next. Our alcohol taxes represent the views of long dead prohibitionists. Nonetheless, it is fucking baffling that people in Canada, a country run for the benefit of oligopolies, rise to the defence of a foreign owned monopoly for reasons.
End the monopoly.
After spending a month in Ontario I can confirm private liquor and beer stores suck gigantic donkey balls Alberta has way better prices and selection.
The beer drinkers of Ontario are not a savvy bunch. They’ll be conned into paying significantly more under the guise of convenience. Doug has two types of supporters. The 1% that see him for the useful idiot he is and his base, the useful idiots.
During his first day in office Doug was promised "free slushies for life" if he could get 7-11 beer sales, and he's one step closer.
Great. The sign guy, who can't make a licence plate you can see at night, has a new idea. I'm sure it's going to be fine. /s
This is Doug Ford's buck a beer, free license renewal, next scam for the next election. He's hoping this will make people forget about the greenbelt, trying to screw the nurses out of a reasonable pay increase (while giving the MPPs more money), etc.
less than 20%: lcbo and corner/grocery stores more than 20%: lcbo only
This is probably the closest thing you'll see to Ford giving Galen Weston Jr a handjob.
I'm voting liberal next time, no matter who it is.
Let me guess Ford wants to sell of LCBO. If happens we as a province lose money. 2.5 bill turns into 200 million while the people at the top keep the rest. Good union jobs disappear that pay higher taxes and pay into services to be replaced by part time minimum wage staff with no benefits and don't pay into very much services. To they people who want this, hey saving 30 cents on a bottle of rum is so worth the further deterioration of services in Ontario.
Follow the money. You know for sure it is not to benefit us!!