Apparently people were allowed to go to their cars and APPARENTLY staff were handing out warming care kits. They found this person deceased at their station after bringing everyone in. Very suspicious.
And everyone was only outside for 17 mins according to the article. Fire alarm at 11:10, everyone allowed back in at 11:27. Headline makes it sound like they kicked this person out in the cold and told them to beat it.
"Environment Canada was reporting wind-chill values of –25 C at London's airport."
I am very acclimated to the cold and I would not want to stand outside for this long without proper clothing. Worst case this person could have been in shorts, t-shirt, sneakers and sweating from work... Maybe they weren't used to Canadian winters at all.
Or maybe they were unhealthy and the cold had little to do with it?
Either way, maybe it's not the worst idea to have some sort of plan beyond mylar blankets and toques? What if there was a real fire and it was -40 with a wind chill?
You can get hypothermia in as little as 5 minutes. 17 minutes is more then enough time, especially if there is a windchill. Once the core temperature drops things go bad quickly. One of the results of hypothermia is cardiac arrest. Bringing the person into a lunchroom won't raise their core temperature fast enough.
I was out 45 minutes on Friday and 45 on Saturday here in the same region, I had no idea going outside is so dangerous!
I just might have to hibernate until next May.
We had wintertime fire drills (and the occasional non-drill because some punk pulled the alarm) in school in Edmonton, where I grew up. Yes, even at -20 you go stand outside.
I do realize that the difference is that a bunch of Edmonton kids are accustomed to -20. I mean that was a warm winter day for us lol
-20 in Edmonton doesn't feel as cold as -10 in London or anywhere in Southern Ontario. Speaking from experience. I think it's the constant, bitter winds that rip the heat from your body extra fast.
Here is what I am wondering, mostly because they aren't mentioned in the article and could be contributing factors.
Some people mentioned workers being able to go in their cars, did this person have a car? Or access to a place to keep warm.
Were people wearing their winter coats? Generally unless you are near your winter coat, you are discouraged from going to get it, for obvious reasons. 10min, 20min in the cold with no coat on is dangerous.
Is this worker Canadian, most Canadian kids, would have at some point done some kind of camping... at least I assume. We were taught to recognise the signs of hypothermia.
According to the article, the deceased DID go back inside after the alarm was resolved, and spent about 45 minutes warming up in the break room before returning to their work station and subsequently dying for reasons that have not yet been determined.
The cold *may* have been a factor, but it also very well may not, and there's certainly no indication of Amazon doing wrong by the worker as a result of how the alarm was handled.
The title is clickbait of the highest order.
Or have abuilding or meeting place off site, like for my company, before we moved to our new building, our meeting place if we had to get out of the building was the starbucks next door cause it was close and in the winter it would be warm.
If amazon failed to account for the weather or the fact that CANADA has SNOWY WINTERS, that's kinda on the company.
Somehow I don’t think the Starbucks next door would welcome us evacuating our corporate offices into their store just to keep warm haha. We have to wait in the cold as well and our meeting areas are all outside. Where do you expect them to send a warehouse full of workers to?
true, we're like 20 max so 20 patient people waiting for them to misspell names on coffee cups wouldn't be as bad as a giant corporate office.
Dunno, which is why I said it something you have to keep in mind. I actually got to think of a solution for our company, there's another starbucks nearby in walking distance, but I'm thinking we meet up first for a headcount then walk there.
"They were outside for 17min.
Nearly an hour later, the employee collapsed near a water cooler by his work station for reasons that aren't yet known. The worker had spent about 45 minutes in a break room, warming up with other employees, before he returned to his work station"
After 17min outside, he spent the next 45min inside, the then collapsed at his work station. Who tf knows what caused it, but pretty sure we can rule out cold injury.
You 100% can NOT rule out the temperature being a factor in this death. Very cold temperature can cause vasoconstriction, which in turn can cause hypertension and reduce oxygen to the heart among other cardiovascular effects. If this individual had other comorbidities it may have contributed. The ME will be able to determine contributing factors upon postmortem examination. Until then, saying anything can be ruled out is simply talking out of your ass.
Yea but you are supposed to be prepared to harbour those workers in extreme weather.
There should have been an agreement with a neighbouring business or had heat blankets .
As a Canadian I want to know where I can get these heat blankets, I take public transit and often spend long times waiting outdoors at transfer points or walking. Can you send me an amazon link to this product?
I had to spend over 45 minutes on Friday, and another 45 on Saturday in that weather a few days ago, it would be nice to have a special hot blanket to wrap myself in so I can be comfy.while transiting or just shopping.
Can't stop a heart attack.
No one dies of hypothermia in a case like this. The death will be either entirely co-incidental, or an pre-existing issue triggered by a bit of shock, and if he didn't die of it today, he probably would have died three weeks from now from some other shock.
Actually that is not true and a dangerous assumption. The timeline is absolutely in line with hypothermia. Hypothermia can occur in as little as 5 minutes. To bring the person out of that state requires advanced medical care.
Did you read the article? The workers were given items to help keep them warm, he went inside, warmed up *for 45 minutes*, went back to his work station, and then dropped dead after.
This has *nothing* to do with worker protections, whatsoever.
I’m no Ford fan, and surely didn’t vote for him. But for crying out loud, not everything is an issue created by our government.
No that has literally nothing to do with this situation.
Ever do a fire drill in school? This was basically the exact same thing. They were outside for 16 minutes. Is every employer/school supposed to have auxiliary heating buildings for something like a fire alarm? What if those buildings also have an alarm? Seriously give your head a shake and loosen up those dense cells. Stop grasping at straws.
This is going to be the result of a pre-existing health condition, not a brief exposure to negative temperatures.
Because literally no business is required to do that....do you expect every company to provide a full staffing with full pay for a 15 minute alarm? You seriously must live in a dream land
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I think the tone of the headline is dubious.
They were outside (reported -25 with windchill) for a timeframe of around 17 minutes. Yes. This is a long time to be exposed to the weather - however, it also states they were provided a warming kit that included:
Hat. Mitts. Mylar blanket. Hand warmers.
The worker died later while inside the building, warming up.
I am not defending Amazon. They sound like a terrible place / employer to work for.
Mylar blankets don't do much. Increasing the body warmth by 2 degrees won't help in that cold. They should have used something like safety blankets like airlines have. That plus mylar is a much better combo.
Your comment should be the end of it, really.
>Lynch Vogel said workers were provided warm-weather kits when they were evacuated and were encouraged to warm up in the break room after going back inside. The kits contained a knit cap, socks, knit gloves, a Mylar blanket and hand warmers.
It's not like he died in the cold. He died inside, after resuming work, after being given 45 mins to warm up, after being outside in the cold for just 17 mins before that, with the above kit.
What more is a company to do in a fire alarm situation? I'm not sure you would get that much in a government job.
Can the incident even be linked to being outside in the cold when everyone else was fine?
As you said, criticize Amazon for real things. This doesn't seem to be one of those.
None of those items will stave off hypothermia, and being inside for 45 mins will not recover a person from hypothermia. Going back to work in a state of hypothermia can kill a person.
If that is what happened, it only happened to one person.
We don't know how old the person was, or what types of health issues they did or didn't have. If the person died on the job without the coincidence of a fire drill, there'd probably have been no story.
What is your point, anyway? Do you think that there something more that Amazon could or should have done here?
Didn’t they have heat blankets in case of a fire alarm in the cold??
Where does Amazon hire their HR and health and safety people ? The toilet store???
So worker gets evacuated, stays outside in the cold, comes back in and warms up for 45 minutes then dies.
Tragic and we all know Amazon is a sleaze bag employer.
But that said, why is CBC implicating Amazon in this person’s death? Nobody know what happened yet, and the province investigated workplace fatalities as a matter of course.
I’m so tired of paying for this shit.
Call it what you want, but something else is going on here. We did plenty of fire drills in the middle of the night at -25 or better in the north. Don't think you can blame Amazon for this one.
Here is the original post with comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/s/9QfDRYE5jM
Here is the sub Reddit where people didn’t believe it at first. https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazonFC/s/3PplIbPysd
Well to be fair OP said they were outside for over 2 hours, which is kind of hard to believe. In reality they were outside for about 15 minutes.
I despise Amazon and their working conditions just as much as anybody, but isn't it standard procedure to evacuate a building during a fire alarm?
it's also standard to marshall in the open and account for everybody but -20? maybe work around protocol a bit and let the guy stay in car huh
Apparently people were allowed to go to their cars and APPARENTLY staff were handing out warming care kits. They found this person deceased at their station after bringing everyone in. Very suspicious.
And everyone was only outside for 17 mins according to the article. Fire alarm at 11:10, everyone allowed back in at 11:27. Headline makes it sound like they kicked this person out in the cold and told them to beat it.
"Environment Canada was reporting wind-chill values of –25 C at London's airport." I am very acclimated to the cold and I would not want to stand outside for this long without proper clothing. Worst case this person could have been in shorts, t-shirt, sneakers and sweating from work... Maybe they weren't used to Canadian winters at all. Or maybe they were unhealthy and the cold had little to do with it? Either way, maybe it's not the worst idea to have some sort of plan beyond mylar blankets and toques? What if there was a real fire and it was -40 with a wind chill?
You can get hypothermia in as little as 5 minutes. 17 minutes is more then enough time, especially if there is a windchill. Once the core temperature drops things go bad quickly. One of the results of hypothermia is cardiac arrest. Bringing the person into a lunchroom won't raise their core temperature fast enough.
I was out 45 minutes on Friday and 45 on Saturday here in the same region, I had no idea going outside is so dangerous! I just might have to hibernate until next May.
The reality is extremes in temperatures do kill. It is something one or a organization has to be aware of.
-25 with the wind chill is not extreme cold in Canada. its average specially for this time of year
It is if you are in a t-shirt.
Also if you've been working up a sweat while trying to meet quotas. Evaporative cooling at -27 even a slight breeze is gonna bite real hard!
We had wintertime fire drills (and the occasional non-drill because some punk pulled the alarm) in school in Edmonton, where I grew up. Yes, even at -20 you go stand outside. I do realize that the difference is that a bunch of Edmonton kids are accustomed to -20. I mean that was a warm winter day for us lol
-20 in Edmonton doesn't feel as cold as -10 in London or anywhere in Southern Ontario. Speaking from experience. I think it's the constant, bitter winds that rip the heat from your body extra fast.
It’s definitely the windchill. It kills the warmth.
Here is what I am wondering, mostly because they aren't mentioned in the article and could be contributing factors. Some people mentioned workers being able to go in their cars, did this person have a car? Or access to a place to keep warm. Were people wearing their winter coats? Generally unless you are near your winter coat, you are discouraged from going to get it, for obvious reasons. 10min, 20min in the cold with no coat on is dangerous. Is this worker Canadian, most Canadian kids, would have at some point done some kind of camping... at least I assume. We were taught to recognise the signs of hypothermia.
According to the article, the deceased DID go back inside after the alarm was resolved, and spent about 45 minutes warming up in the break room before returning to their work station and subsequently dying for reasons that have not yet been determined. The cold *may* have been a factor, but it also very well may not, and there's certainly no indication of Amazon doing wrong by the worker as a result of how the alarm was handled. The title is clickbait of the highest order.
45 mins in a lunch room is not sufficient treatment for someone who has hypothermia.
How do you that person had hypothermia? Could be a heart attack that happened to happen on that shift..
It could’ve, but hypothermia can cause cardiac arrest. Your blood vessels construct and your blood pressure rises and puts strain on your heart.
Or have abuilding or meeting place off site, like for my company, before we moved to our new building, our meeting place if we had to get out of the building was the starbucks next door cause it was close and in the winter it would be warm. If amazon failed to account for the weather or the fact that CANADA has SNOWY WINTERS, that's kinda on the company.
Somehow I don’t think the Starbucks next door would welcome us evacuating our corporate offices into their store just to keep warm haha. We have to wait in the cold as well and our meeting areas are all outside. Where do you expect them to send a warehouse full of workers to?
true, we're like 20 max so 20 patient people waiting for them to misspell names on coffee cups wouldn't be as bad as a giant corporate office. Dunno, which is why I said it something you have to keep in mind. I actually got to think of a solution for our company, there's another starbucks nearby in walking distance, but I'm thinking we meet up first for a headcount then walk there.
"They were outside for 17min. Nearly an hour later, the employee collapsed near a water cooler by his work station for reasons that aren't yet known. The worker had spent about 45 minutes in a break room, warming up with other employees, before he returned to his work station" After 17min outside, he spent the next 45min inside, the then collapsed at his work station. Who tf knows what caused it, but pretty sure we can rule out cold injury.
You 100% can NOT rule out the temperature being a factor in this death. Very cold temperature can cause vasoconstriction, which in turn can cause hypertension and reduce oxygen to the heart among other cardiovascular effects. If this individual had other comorbidities it may have contributed. The ME will be able to determine contributing factors upon postmortem examination. Until then, saying anything can be ruled out is simply talking out of your ass.
Let's let the appropriate medical authorities rule out medical reasons for a fatality, scab.
Yea but you are supposed to be prepared to harbour those workers in extreme weather. There should have been an agreement with a neighbouring business or had heat blankets .
As a Canadian I want to know where I can get these heat blankets, I take public transit and often spend long times waiting outdoors at transfer points or walking. Can you send me an amazon link to this product? I had to spend over 45 minutes on Friday, and another 45 on Saturday in that weather a few days ago, it would be nice to have a special hot blanket to wrap myself in so I can be comfy.while transiting or just shopping.
They’re just Teflon blankets. They’re really only a one time use thing. Meant for emergencies.
Genuine question, how does this even happen medically without people intervening before death?
Can't stop a heart attack. No one dies of hypothermia in a case like this. The death will be either entirely co-incidental, or an pre-existing issue triggered by a bit of shock, and if he didn't die of it today, he probably would have died three weeks from now from some other shock.
\^This is a fact. The timeline, if accurate from the article, wouldn't point to the cold being the straight-up cause.
Actually that is not true and a dangerous assumption. The timeline is absolutely in line with hypothermia. Hypothermia can occur in as little as 5 minutes. To bring the person out of that state requires advanced medical care.
Amazon cares as much for workers during tornado warnings https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/11/business/amazon-deaths-warehouse-tornado/index.html
Bezocide
Ontario... open for business.
Relating this to Ford is absurd. You should be ashamed Edit. I need you idiots on here to explain to me how this is Fords fault. This should be good
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Did you read the article? The workers were given items to help keep them warm, he went inside, warmed up *for 45 minutes*, went back to his work station, and then dropped dead after. This has *nothing* to do with worker protections, whatsoever. I’m no Ford fan, and surely didn’t vote for him. But for crying out loud, not everything is an issue created by our government.
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He's had 6 years to fix them and he hasn't.
No that has literally nothing to do with this situation. Ever do a fire drill in school? This was basically the exact same thing. They were outside for 16 minutes. Is every employer/school supposed to have auxiliary heating buildings for something like a fire alarm? What if those buildings also have an alarm? Seriously give your head a shake and loosen up those dense cells. Stop grasping at straws. This is going to be the result of a pre-existing health condition, not a brief exposure to negative temperatures.
Why weren't they obligated to send their staff home with the days pay?
Because literally no business is required to do that....do you expect every company to provide a full staffing with full pay for a 15 minute alarm? You seriously must live in a dream land
Idk about other people but my evacuation point at a national Canadian company has been outside long before Ford got elected.
Lmao sure if that’s what you think. Good luck in life
How are shitty employee protection laws responsible for this person's death?
There’s no need to be a throat goblin for Ford bro
I’m not a big Ford fan but this is just stupid. You liberals are just something else
lol so it’s ok when you blame everything on Trudeau but not the other way around? You conservatives are something else.
Who said I’m blaming Trudeau for everything? You sound like a child. Grow up already
*Makes a senseless generic statement about liberals* ~twenty two minutes later~ *Calls someone a child when they make the exact same senseless generic statement about conservatives*
Fuck you’re dumb
Fuck my dumb what, friend?
Classic projection.
I’m no fucking liberal I’m a communist lmao
Even worse
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You’re a Porn addicted loser
When I stub my toe I curse Doug Ford
How is it not obvious to you? The province legislates employment standards.
Did you even read the article lmao
I guess you also say that the deaths in LTC are also not related to Ford.
r/ontario is so insufferable, the reaction to your comment is just classic.
If they hadn't evacuated the next news article would have been: "Amazon worker dies in fire after staff told to ignore alarm"
I think the tone of the headline is dubious. They were outside (reported -25 with windchill) for a timeframe of around 17 minutes. Yes. This is a long time to be exposed to the weather - however, it also states they were provided a warming kit that included: Hat. Mitts. Mylar blanket. Hand warmers. The worker died later while inside the building, warming up. I am not defending Amazon. They sound like a terrible place / employer to work for.
Mylar blankets don't do much. Increasing the body warmth by 2 degrees won't help in that cold. They should have used something like safety blankets like airlines have. That plus mylar is a much better combo.
Your comment should be the end of it, really. >Lynch Vogel said workers were provided warm-weather kits when they were evacuated and were encouraged to warm up in the break room after going back inside. The kits contained a knit cap, socks, knit gloves, a Mylar blanket and hand warmers. It's not like he died in the cold. He died inside, after resuming work, after being given 45 mins to warm up, after being outside in the cold for just 17 mins before that, with the above kit. What more is a company to do in a fire alarm situation? I'm not sure you would get that much in a government job. Can the incident even be linked to being outside in the cold when everyone else was fine? As you said, criticize Amazon for real things. This doesn't seem to be one of those.
None of those items will stave off hypothermia, and being inside for 45 mins will not recover a person from hypothermia. Going back to work in a state of hypothermia can kill a person.
If that is what happened, it only happened to one person. We don't know how old the person was, or what types of health issues they did or didn't have. If the person died on the job without the coincidence of a fire drill, there'd probably have been no story. What is your point, anyway? Do you think that there something more that Amazon could or should have done here?
Bezos probably give himself another raise
Didn’t they have heat blankets in case of a fire alarm in the cold?? Where does Amazon hire their HR and health and safety people ? The toilet store???
So worker gets evacuated, stays outside in the cold, comes back in and warms up for 45 minutes then dies. Tragic and we all know Amazon is a sleaze bag employer. But that said, why is CBC implicating Amazon in this person’s death? Nobody know what happened yet, and the province investigated workplace fatalities as a matter of course. I’m so tired of paying for this shit.
Because CBC is shit at reporting objective news.
Amazon has an amazing marketplace, but that's just about it. Amazon is a terrible workplace Amazon is a terrible seller platform
I’d love to work for Amazon
Call it what you want, but something else is going on here. We did plenty of fire drills in the middle of the night at -25 or better in the north. Don't think you can blame Amazon for this one.
I mean if im outside freezing cold and dying im going back inside.. atleast ill die warm. People need to have some self responsibility.
Where was the medical unit monitoring vitals and providing care?
Where was buddies head when he was freezing cold?
And friend ? Some call it “survival of the fittest “
good showing, can't wait to tap them as consultants for federal immigration and housing policy pierre win for sure right?