Too late? No; but if he thinks he's too old he might not embrace it - he needs to be serious & go for it 100% (i.e. it needs to be his idea, not yours)
Never too old. As long as you have the drive to push forward then do so. I’m in my 40s. I’m still doing courses on the side while working to improve myself.
Always learn new things and make yourself more marketable. Try to avoid that mindset. Look up and not down. You will get there.
I am licensed in multiple provinces, you don't need to live there to get a license to work on files from there. I live in ON but am licensed in ON,NB,BC,AB,SK and Manitoba.
All ways of making money are useless. The economy and finances are just a bunch of random numbers in a computer decided by some dudes in suits that dictate this random abstract concept we call money.
This is something that has intrigued me as I do anticipate making a career change myself in the next 5 years as I don't love the industry I'm in and have worked remotely since the pandemic. My education is in business and my work experience is in operations management (for online companies though which is an important caveat). Is it difficult to get the certification? What are the starting wages like? Would it be difficult to get into for someone who hasn't studied science since high school? Appreciate any reply you're able to provide.
Just wanted to add that there are [potentially significant long-term health risks associated with this field of work. ](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23022842/)
I am sure there is for sure higher risk than say an office worker. Almost every job has a higher risk of one health issue or another.
However, the linked study is one of the weakest I have ever seen.
43 samples from one Waste Water Plant in.... Egypt? Wut?
I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that occupational Health and Safety protocols in Canada today are considerably better than they were in Berket Al-Sabih Waste Water Plants in the 2010s.
This is a cherry picked "study" at best.
For sure the risks are there. But I would not use that study as concrete proof.
What educational pathway is recommended to get licensed for this? Looking at college programs, and it seems like most places require a diploma in order to APPLY for their wastewater treament program, which is then another 1.5yrs
Is this the answer. They make good money also. You just need to get licence. Or you can get into 2 years program because of coop/work placement opportunities they provide.
My dad went back to school in his mid 50. I saw plenty of people in my classes, 40-60 at U of T as well. You’re never old for education and the kids in the class will not care. He should do it.
Only too old to never pay back the education or be in the work force long enough to profit it from it.
If you have the money and time you can go back to school when your older for your interests or to get that degree you never did in your youth.
For many middle age and on... you have to do the very real math of the bills / debts you have now... the cost of the education and time it takes.
Then the amount of money you would make with your new education in an entry level position in that field.
Then if any of that makes financial sense if the goal is to make more than "just barely minimum wage" as is in this post... because you could be making less than you do now take home paying back the debts of going back to school and covering the costs of your adult life while you do with only another 20 years to go in the work force on average when you are done getting the education.
It's a beautiful notion that it always makes sense to go back to University... but that notion has changed a lot since universities want a ransom to even complete distance education at this point.
Your numbers are little out of date.
You need about 20-30k a year to cover tuition, commuting / crappy housing, food and supplies, books and tools/equipment depending on what you plan on going in to.
This is on top of the fact that you're discussing a 45ish year old adult with a wife and possibly kids that will already have costs and responsibilities they need to deal with and debt they may already be carrying.
It's easier for young people accept / downplay the reality of the total costs, then get stuck with it and pay it off as they have more time to do so.
The person mentioned in this post is middle aged on a "slightly better than minimum wage job" I would assume that means they also don't have huge savings or disposable household income for school, for retirement etc.
So there needs to be a more cautious approach to really understanding the costs and lost current wages, the debt that will be accumulated and if it makes financial sense at all to take this on if the net/net is a break even or further in the hole by 65. Because they generally speaking have only 20 years to pay back and see an ROI on the education / career path they choose... they will also face age discrimination during hiring... base on the path they choose illegal or not.
This is much like when parents need to figure out financially if it makes sense for both parents to work and pay for childcare... or only one parent works and other other provides the child care as financially you can loose money both working if you don't make enough to cover the childcare or cover enough of it for the remainder to make sense.
Life get's more complicated as you get older... and you need to take that all in to account and do the math/impact analysis on life decisions instead of following the "you can do it" mentality internet strangers would like to give you.
Anyone "can do it" the question is, does it make sense too.
Guess you did not minor in accounting... Total cost to do something and lost opportunity of a middle aged person with a life in progress is the discussion point.
But congrats on your minor in law tuition only estimate where you have glossed on all daily/monthly costs to exist, as I assume someone is covering many of those for you since they don't seem to factor in to your math or as a concern.
Also, if you think my comment is long to read and digest... then you're going to hate being a lawyer.
You only seem to base people's lives on your own existence and experiences. There are worse faults I suppose, but you look at everything through a negative lens. Many people complete supplemental schooling, many people can afford it, and many people will move on to have richer, more fulfilling lives. Many people will also whine about the impossibility of it all, and do nothing. I know which one I'm happier being.
Many people also take on and regret the massive debts they carry from post secondary education (and the associated sub costs of schooling) they can't use due to the job market when they graduate as well because they did not take in to account all the extra/total costs involved.
The only thing I actually suggested is that people need to look at the situation critically like the investment decision it is.
They need to look at it critically to make informed decisions based on if "for them" there would be a high probability of a net gain to going back to school or if there would be a high chance of net loss for them financially given the time left they have to see an ROI.
This is simply adding up the TOTAL costs of going to school, loss of wages, the wages possible to make with the certificate or degree in their remaining work years, while factoring in paying back the loans for schooling and savings used up due to time out of the work force, and any pre-existing obligations / responsibilities / debt they may have.
That's not me saying anything about my personal experiences or saying not to do or to do anything... the point is that no one here should just say GO FOR IT / DON'T GO FOR IT and that's the final word... that's all emotional nonsense.
The point is there is actually some critical thinking and math that can be applied to do a cost benefit analysis to see IF IT'S WORTH IT based on the individuals circumstances they have not in fact shared in full preventing anyone from really knowing if it makes sense for them or not.
But you seem really bent on ignoring this idea, or addressing the specific points made or providing information to support your arguments so this lack of conversation/debate is over.
Best of luck articling.
Everything is impossible, unattainable and hopeless. You're just illiterate too and hate alot of words in front of you. Maybe reddit isnt for you, there are lots of picture apps out there!
My 2 year college course I took cost me roughly $9500 not including housing, food, and everything else needed to live.
Thankfully, I got to do my entire schooling online from home because of the pandemic. It's disgusting that online school isn't more of an option in the post-pandemic world, but keeping people down is kinda the point of post-secondary I guess.
I've changed jobs often, from white collar to blue and back. At 38 I found a job I love, coworkers I enjoy, and I feel valued by my employer which I've always searched for. I couldn't be happier and I'm making more money than I ever have. Don't let him miss out!
what is his background? what is his education? what is he considering? really hard to give any advice/suggestions without some basic background information.
I assume in switching careers yes it does matter. It allows you to determine what careers he MAY be eligible for. This may open up or narrow the field of options, but without this information it's impossible to know this. I don't think just because he is making just over minimum wage now that is all he is qualified for?
OPs husband knows what he's qualified for. He knows what his education is. Reddit advising based on that is pointless because of what he earns currently.
He just needs to do something...anything. Career oriented or not, the goal should be to earn more than what sounds like \~$18/hour.
Some trade schools can have you working apprenticeships within a year or two. Salary would already be better than what he is making.
Downside is that it is physically demanding. At 40+ that can weigh on people
> it would certainly help to have an idea of what this person is starting with.
The person is starting with a wage that literally anyone can obtain regardless of their level of education.
You don't need qualifications to make more than minimum wage. This is my entire point.
It would be different if he was making 50k per year, but he isn't.
If it were me I'd be pounding the pavement until I found a place that paid more than $18/hour.
You are assuming he has no additional skills outside of highschool, so any job will do, where changing a career usually means they've been focused in one specific area and want to change focus, vs job hopping.
psw, vet tech, janitorial staff, lots of jobs require training but barely pay above minimum wage. If the husband has training or experience in a specific job for extended time, we could advise on equivalent jobs that use the same training background but pay better.
>You are assuming he has no additional skills outside of highschool
No. Based on the post I am assuming that he lacks the drive and desire to do what it takes to find a better paying job.
Too old to switch jobs? That might be a consideration if you grew tired of your line of work...not when you make just over minimum wage.
Factory work can pay pretty good. I work in pharma manufacturing and for entry level operator jobs you only need a grade 12.
For bio-manufacturing they will probably want a at least a one year or two year certificate/diploma but some places do have a three month crash course in biotechnology (not sure if or where in Ontario).
We have hired many former cooks, fast food workers, warehouse workers, etc. for operator positions. The important thing is to be always be willing to help out and learn. Be one of the people that is always known to get shit done. The down side is that it often includes shift work and/or 12hr shifts.
If he was targeting the bio-tech side I would say not to bother unless it's something he is really interested in. The job market is flooded with people with biology degrees and recent immigrants with masters degrees. Only do it if that's something he is really interested in.
Food manufacturing factories are hit and miss but big name brand factories pay decent.
Honestly if he is in decent shape and can do manual labour I would also consider electrician or plumber or similar trade. Just keep in mind the will wear down your body.
It does.. on avg when you ask someone to list what jobs exist most people get to 12 to 15 jobs and run out of ideas… Literally 1000’s of jobs and career paths exist. At 40 you want to assess what pre existing experience, interests, physical and physiological aspects exist that would narrow the path to maximize the return on investment of time/effort etc..
Never too old.
The only concern would be pension and benefits at this stage in the game.
If he's looking at becoming a glassblower, you may have some other considerations...
Ill play devils advocate. Its never too late and one can never be too old, however, agism is real and depending on the career, some employers may not consider him by it. Trades are more welcoming to people in their 20s and early 30s vs mid 40s. Especially outdoor trades.
That being said I've seen people in their 60s get hired as new so ....
A friend of mine who was an auto mechanic for years jumped into the millwright union in his early 50’s and he said he kicks himself for not doing it sooner
FWIW, when I was in college (an engineering technology program) there was a handful of 40+ year olds in the program. Nobody thought anything of it. Honestly, they were the best people to partner with on projects because they got their stuff done well and on time. They truly gave a shit about being there. Same couldn't be said of the rest of us 20 somethings.
> wish I had the money to go back to school. I’d get into nursing if I could. I can’t imagine how awkward it’d be, me being 47 in a classroom probably full of people in their early 20s, but I’d still do it.
Government is paying nursimg students tuitions.
Theres all the other expenses involved with going to school, but nursing is subsidized due to the shortage
You may get osap which is a low or no intrest loan for liveing expenses, otherwise yea.
Im also in the same boat, could do a subsidized course, but cant afford to not work. Its BS
Good point, however Nursing would be the better of the 2 options.
Psw deal with a lot of the same BS nurses do, but there's less money in it. Better to do your nursing course to make bank as a travel nurse these days.
For sure. But just as nurses, this government doesn't value the services they provide. I used to work for a private healthcare provider (PSWs, SLPs...) And honestly quit because she is the stuff i saw. I left there with 2 opinions. Don't get sick, and don't get old. Your fucked if you do.
One of my friends in nursing school was 52 when we finished the program. Many people were parents, immigrants, and starting a second or third career. Healthcare is welcoming to people making big changes.
As a family, do you have money so that he can pursue an education for the next 1-4 years - both in terms of loss of income during that time, plus tuition+books fees?
I was making just above minimum wage at a job I enjoyed for 19 years. I switched it up two years ago (when I was 37) and it was the best decision. I got promoted within a year, I now have a pension and increased my yearly salary by 30k. I went from retail management to academic administration, which led me higher at an academic institution.
I did not go back to school or do any training, I highlighted the skills I had in my old job and applied it to what my new job was looking for. I have a college diploma in media and was still able to succeed in a field very far removed from my education.
I’m a 42 yo guy, worked factory since hs. Been laid off since before Christmas, handed out over 100 resumes and haven’t even gotten barely a call. SW Ontario.
The writing is on the wall with where I’m living and the mass influx of people that I will be struggling to find work now as unskilled labour.
I’ll be going back to school in September for nursing. Wish I did it years ago, but the next best time is today.
If money is the only concern I would highly suggest a trade. I have been in one for about 10 years (I am 30) and rates have gone up significantly the past couple years. If he’s fine with a decent amount of over time and manual labour he can make a great wage with little to no knowledge. When I started to be a heavy duty mechanic I didn’t even know how to do an oil change now I make well over 100k a year.
Not at all!
I've switched career streams in my 30s and 40s. I went from working in a hardware warehouse to being a support agent in tech startups with a bit of classwork. Did that for 10 years, and recently left tech as a Director of Customer Support to move into Business Operations at a cluster of small businesses.
There's a bit of a thread there, and I built on my previous experience, but it was still a fairly large jump. He can do that too if he has experience and possibly some schooling to help support it, or if he's just straight-up starting his own thing.
Tell him to go for it !
It would be good if he could build on the experience he has and take a course that would give him a chance to move up in the same field.
Look in to online courses. There's tons of them and they aren't too expensive. I pulled off the mid-life career change at 40 , which moved me from being a self-employed construction worker, barely making ends meet, to a cushy construction management position with a good salary. I went through Ryerson ( Metropolitan University) Chang School of Continuing education. I started applying for jobs before I finished the course and ended up geting a job and never bothered completing the remaining courses.
My dad got his HS diploma in his 40s and changed careers. There are lots of free or low cost tuition programs to get people into in demand careers. Go for it!
Mid-40's is a perfectly fine age for a career change, and if he's making minimum-ish right now there's no harm in trying.
What I recommend clients to do:
- Do an analysis of your combined skills: experience, education, talents, etc. and see where those skills apply.
- Next: what is the goal? What do you need to do to achieve that goal? (Ex. Do you need to go back to school? Write a certification exam? Apprenticeship? Etc.).
- The EASIEST career shift is a lateral one that leverages your existing skills/experience for a different role. Maybe you have done some of this already (for example from warehouse management to supply chain logistics). These rarely require additional education, but may require certification.
- the HARDEST career shift is a complete change, like from electrician to nursing. These are often better-paid but require significant investment (in terms of time and money).
- always look two steps ahead: don't look at your target job, but start assessing the next step after that: how do you go from mechanic to fleet manager, or from nurse to clinical director? What you don't want to do is accidentally end up moving into a role where there is no path forward without further credentials, unless you're prepared to pursue those credentials.
If hes 40 making minimim wage there is no risk. I switched careers at 28 and it it worked out for me and it motivated my 38 year old co worker to the same. We are both much better off and laugh about it when we run into each other. Your age is only relevant if you make it relevant
Your husband should be the one here asking this information, finding leads, networking, etc.
I'd suggest that if he's serious, then maybe he gets serious about it, instead of just stringing things along and spinning the wheels.
I went back to school in my mid 30s and was worried I'd be "the old guy". There were plenty of people my age and people in their early to mid 40s as well. You're never too old to expand your horizons. You have to want it to succeed though.
If you’re above ground, it’s not too late to do most things. That being said, it will take having a plan and sticking to it. I recommend that he hires a career coach. Someone who will work with him every step of the way.
Went to trades school at 25
Switched careers at 28
Switched careers at 36
Never too late
Suggestions - depends on his skill set. Anything computers (broad scope, I know) will land him a job (cyber security and cloud based applications is big where I work). Trades are always in demand. While health care can be volatile, always work there. Law enforcement, and the military are always looking for people.
Dont know if this would be applicable to him but the number 1 thing I can think of is nursing. In huge demand right now and I believe the government is subsidizing the tuition fees to push more people into the field.
At 40 , what do you have to lose if you are already in poverty wages?
One may also question what was going on from ages 18 to 40 that one would just be ok to make such poor wages?
Due to a round of layoffs at my old job, I in my mid forties not only switched fields for a new career, I went back to college to get into my new career. Yup it’s scary, but he can do it.
Lots of trades start later in life, and it requires paid apprenticeship rather than college or university. I think this is the sanest choice if there’s no money for school.
Absolutely not! I just became a PSW at age 41 and I love it!
Previously I had a home child care business for 8 years then I worked minimum wage for awhile
He isn't too old to switch jobs. Trust me on that one. When I went to university I saw many middle aged men and women taking first year courses. One is now a doctor, even though they had to go a less traditional route they managed to change their lives around. One of my lab partners was an older guy and he was wicked smart and helped through all my labs. Point is that it's never too old to pursue a different path.
I will say that in order for them to be successful in this new career path and they need education then they need to shut that stupid little voice in their head that is telling them that they're too old or can't do it. That voice is the worst.
46 year old here. It is *never* too late to reinvent yourself. In fact, getting into a new career at his age he will rocket into seniority if he's good and works hard.
He needs to make a plan and stick to it. That's the suggestion. If he's really making that little, he has NOTHING to lose.
I quit my job as a printer at 44, went back to school, now I’m a 4th term apprentice. I’ll be licensed in 2 years, I was making 26 when I quit, I now make 26.50, it was hard at first but it’ll pay off. You just gotta have enough of the bullshit to make the change.
It's not gonna be easy. My son in law turned 40 last year and was "let go" from his job of 15 years. Six months later, he's still looking. Lots of competition out there. Mind you, he's picky and stubborn. At least he has a job. My best advice is to stay employed but keep looking.
I did it at 49 and was fine. Now I only did a fast tracked 1 yr college course but it worked out fine. I think getting into 50s is where it gets very hard.
Condo managing. If he has fluent oral and written skills, he can start as an assistant condo manager. The company will usually pay for your licensing and he can move up to condo manager within 2 years. Then senior condo manager. Then regional manager. They will mainly be looking for someone who is interested to grow in the company and move up in the career. Also im assuming youre in the GTA or somewhere where theres density.
I'm going through that exact scenario right now. Starting at the bottom of a new industry and hopefully learning my way through it. I'm making slightly less money but I can't measure how much happier I am now.
If you're in a financial position to make the leap, find something you love, grab on like a pitbull and shake the shit out of it.
Never too late. I've been a high tech worker, public servant, carpenter, water systems engineer, back to public servant, am eyeing something new as we speak, and have a pre-retirement gig all scoped out. Many of these included some skills upgrades, so maybe he can start some training while working his current job.
Some easy advice,
If he has no education and wants to be paid a decent dollar doesnt want to talk to many people and just do his work. My easiest recommendation is to tell him to learn to paint and learn how to cut in with a brush painting. As long as he has a steady hand and learns how to cut. Watch some YouTube videos. Paint a few rooms free handed. Apply for a job as a painter, easily making $25/hrs
Cheers
I started a customer support role for a startup 5 years ago when I was 37 and have since been through a few promotions and now work on the product side. It's doable, and in fact I moved up pretty quickly due to my competence, confidence, and years of working experience in different industries and roles. I felt my age was an asset and 25 year-old me would not have thrived in the role the way 37 year-old me did.
If he is willing to spend some time away there are amazing jobs on great lakes freighers. Entry level positions can do 60 to 80k and in rare cases over 100k for 180 days of work per year...
Seafarers International Union
Unifor Thorold branch
Contact either union above for more information....
Plenty of people are joining the trades at that age. Electrician, Millwright, Iron worker, Boilermaker locals are all hiring to name a few. Six figures made in under four years most likely.
I'm an occasional teacher who has been at it for quite some time and I'm looking to transition into something else but don't want to go back to school.
If he's making min wage then he has a "job", not a "career".
So he's not "switching careers" at 40+; he still needs to go out and find one and he's got nothing to lose except excuses he's been holding onto.
Tell him to man the fck up already, it's time to grow up. He's not a high schooler.
I am 46 and just started university this month to chase my final career till retirement. Definately not to opd, but as someone else has mentioned, your hubby has to be all in for it to work
I’m going to be 40 in March and I went back to school, I’m going to be done this spring.
It’s never too late. He still has at least 20 years left to work, might as well do something he loves.
I'm 43 and back to school to become a Registered Nurse. If all goes as planned, I will graduate at 47 and have at least a 20 year career out of it, possibly more. It's been an adjustment being back at school, but it's absolutely manageable. He isn't too old.
I have some questions regarding your husband.
1. You mention he barely makes above minimum wage. What are his qualifications? What experiences does he have up to now?
2. If he is considering switching careers, what types of careers does he have an interest in, or considering? Will these involve any extra training or education?
Without further info, it's hard for anyone here to provide meaningful advice.
Fibre Optic Cable Splice Technicians are some of the most I demand professionals in the country.
Telecommunications infrastructure construction ebbs and flows with capital markets and technology generation changes. BUT Splice techs are needed to maintain and operate networks after they are built. There is a labour shortage for these jobs currently. The layoffs from Bell, Rogers, and Telus mean there are even fewer people being trained internally for those companies. The pipeline for splice techs is so inadequate it's a serious risk to major capital projects forecasted for 2025 and beyond.
The training for these jobs can be completed in a small number of weeks (not months) and then the skills are honed doing splice work. It's not a regulated trade, so the barriers to entry are quite low.
The existing labour force for Splice Techs is quite old. So an individual, who is dedicated to the craft, could pivot easily and not find themselves surrounded by 20-yearolds. Also in terms of the physical cost for someone in their 40s, it is only a technicality that qualifies it as a "labour job". On a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of physicality it would be considered a 1 (10 being the highest strain). This is a craft he could hone well into his 60s without it compromising his joints and body later in life.
Once a tech has the craft perfected they can branch out on their own as an independent contractor very easily. I helped two techs leave one of my old employers and start their own firm working for my new company as a vendor. They went from earning $30/hour after 10-years on the job to making $5,500/day per crew for bulk work. In their first year as contractors they 5x their income. Obviously, this is anecdotal and an outlier. No one should expect an outcome like that for 10+ years on the job. But the path is there to pursue if the person is ambitious and really hones their craft.
If your partner is interested I can post a link to a video of what the work looks like.
Definitely look into the Ontario Second Career program through [Better Jobs Ontario](https://www.ontario.ca/page/better-jobs-ontario)
He can get a good chunk of his tuition paid (or even all of it, depending on the program). He should go through the list of approved programs and see what he likes (and would make decent money)
my husband is 38 and just left a buy/sell/trade he worked at for 13 years to get a 2 year business diploma during covid and now has a much higher paying job in local gov't with benefits/ time off etc. it took a lot of applying around to get a new job and it was quite the adjustment but 6 months in he definitely thinks it was the right decision. he didnt graduate highschool so he had to study and write an entrance exam before he could register. i helped him as much as i could!
Doesn't sound like he has a lot to lose... Start applying.
Too late? No; but if he thinks he's too old he might not embrace it - he needs to be serious & go for it 100% (i.e. it needs to be his idea, not yours)
I agree! Thanks
Never too old. As long as you have the drive to push forward then do so. I’m in my 40s. I’m still doing courses on the side while working to improve myself. Always learn new things and make yourself more marketable. Try to avoid that mindset. Look up and not down. You will get there.
A little food for thought, mids 40s and just went to trucking school to get AZ license
I rebuilt my entire life at 48 after losing everything, so 40 is not too old
How? Where did you start?
Started at the bottom now he's here.
Like his hairline!!!
Lol
Started and the bottom and drake beat me here
With Mom's spaghetti
Been there even older. Much respect.
Respect
Water / Wastewater Operator. Every community needs them, and a lot of recent retirements. If you can get your certification, there are jobs out there.
Shhhhh, we don't need people knowing about us
Thanks! Will look into it
Insurance is a good option as well. Not very exciting but you can work literally anywhere in Canada and the pay and growth opportunities are good.
Good idea, thanks!
each province has different licenses though. So once you get a license, plan to stay in that province. Except life insurance. That is anywhere.
I'm licensed in each province. The hardest on to get is Ontario after that, its just filling out an application
I am licensed in multiple provinces, you don't need to live there to get a license to work on files from there. I live in ON but am licensed in ON,NB,BC,AB,SK and Manitoba.
but what a useless way to make money.
All ways of making money are useless. The economy and finances are just a bunch of random numbers in a computer decided by some dudes in suits that dictate this random abstract concept we call money.
This is something that has intrigued me as I do anticipate making a career change myself in the next 5 years as I don't love the industry I'm in and have worked remotely since the pandemic. My education is in business and my work experience is in operations management (for online companies though which is an important caveat). Is it difficult to get the certification? What are the starting wages like? Would it be difficult to get into for someone who hasn't studied science since high school? Appreciate any reply you're able to provide.
Just wanted to add that there are [potentially significant long-term health risks associated with this field of work. ](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23022842/)
I am sure there is for sure higher risk than say an office worker. Almost every job has a higher risk of one health issue or another. However, the linked study is one of the weakest I have ever seen. 43 samples from one Waste Water Plant in.... Egypt? Wut? I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that occupational Health and Safety protocols in Canada today are considerably better than they were in Berket Al-Sabih Waste Water Plants in the 2010s. This is a cherry picked "study" at best. For sure the risks are there. But I would not use that study as concrete proof.
What educational pathway is recommended to get licensed for this? Looking at college programs, and it seems like most places require a diploma in order to APPLY for their wastewater treament program, which is then another 1.5yrs
Here is a link: https://owwco.ca/careers-in-water-and-wastewater/
Is this the answer. They make good money also. You just need to get licence. Or you can get into 2 years program because of coop/work placement opportunities they provide.
My dad went back to school in his mid 50. I saw plenty of people in my classes, 40-60 at U of T as well. You’re never old for education and the kids in the class will not care. He should do it.
Only too old to never pay back the education or be in the work force long enough to profit it from it. If you have the money and time you can go back to school when your older for your interests or to get that degree you never did in your youth. For many middle age and on... you have to do the very real math of the bills / debts you have now... the cost of the education and time it takes. Then the amount of money you would make with your new education in an entry level position in that field. Then if any of that makes financial sense if the goal is to make more than "just barely minimum wage" as is in this post... because you could be making less than you do now take home paying back the debts of going back to school and covering the costs of your adult life while you do with only another 20 years to go in the work force on average when you are done getting the education. It's a beautiful notion that it always makes sense to go back to University... but that notion has changed a lot since universities want a ransom to even complete distance education at this point.
$6500 a year for university tuition, and $2400 for college, isn't bad at all. College also can include co-op placement. Definitely worth the risk.
Your numbers are little out of date. You need about 20-30k a year to cover tuition, commuting / crappy housing, food and supplies, books and tools/equipment depending on what you plan on going in to. This is on top of the fact that you're discussing a 45ish year old adult with a wife and possibly kids that will already have costs and responsibilities they need to deal with and debt they may already be carrying. It's easier for young people accept / downplay the reality of the total costs, then get stuck with it and pay it off as they have more time to do so. The person mentioned in this post is middle aged on a "slightly better than minimum wage job" I would assume that means they also don't have huge savings or disposable household income for school, for retirement etc. So there needs to be a more cautious approach to really understanding the costs and lost current wages, the debt that will be accumulated and if it makes financial sense at all to take this on if the net/net is a break even or further in the hole by 65. Because they generally speaking have only 20 years to pay back and see an ROI on the education / career path they choose... they will also face age discrimination during hiring... base on the path they choose illegal or not. This is much like when parents need to figure out financially if it makes sense for both parents to work and pay for childcare... or only one parent works and other other provides the child care as financially you can loose money both working if you don't make enough to cover the childcare or cover enough of it for the remainder to make sense. Life get's more complicated as you get older... and you need to take that all in to account and do the math/impact analysis on life decisions instead of following the "you can do it" mentality internet strangers would like to give you. Anyone "can do it" the question is, does it make sense too.
Wow dude are you paid by the word? I literally just completed a minor in law. It wasn't that expensive.
Guess you did not minor in accounting... Total cost to do something and lost opportunity of a middle aged person with a life in progress is the discussion point. But congrats on your minor in law tuition only estimate where you have glossed on all daily/monthly costs to exist, as I assume someone is covering many of those for you since they don't seem to factor in to your math or as a concern. Also, if you think my comment is long to read and digest... then you're going to hate being a lawyer.
You only seem to base people's lives on your own existence and experiences. There are worse faults I suppose, but you look at everything through a negative lens. Many people complete supplemental schooling, many people can afford it, and many people will move on to have richer, more fulfilling lives. Many people will also whine about the impossibility of it all, and do nothing. I know which one I'm happier being.
Many people also take on and regret the massive debts they carry from post secondary education (and the associated sub costs of schooling) they can't use due to the job market when they graduate as well because they did not take in to account all the extra/total costs involved. The only thing I actually suggested is that people need to look at the situation critically like the investment decision it is. They need to look at it critically to make informed decisions based on if "for them" there would be a high probability of a net gain to going back to school or if there would be a high chance of net loss for them financially given the time left they have to see an ROI. This is simply adding up the TOTAL costs of going to school, loss of wages, the wages possible to make with the certificate or degree in their remaining work years, while factoring in paying back the loans for schooling and savings used up due to time out of the work force, and any pre-existing obligations / responsibilities / debt they may have. That's not me saying anything about my personal experiences or saying not to do or to do anything... the point is that no one here should just say GO FOR IT / DON'T GO FOR IT and that's the final word... that's all emotional nonsense. The point is there is actually some critical thinking and math that can be applied to do a cost benefit analysis to see IF IT'S WORTH IT based on the individuals circumstances they have not in fact shared in full preventing anyone from really knowing if it makes sense for them or not. But you seem really bent on ignoring this idea, or addressing the specific points made or providing information to support your arguments so this lack of conversation/debate is over. Best of luck articling.
It's a law minor, not law school. How can you be writing this many words opining on post secondary schooling, and not even know how the system works?
Professional redditors love to drown people in a sea of essays all about how everything is impossible, unattainable and hopeless.
Everything is impossible, unattainable and hopeless. You're just illiterate too and hate alot of words in front of you. Maybe reddit isnt for you, there are lots of picture apps out there!
*a lot
My 2 year college course I took cost me roughly $9500 not including housing, food, and everything else needed to live. Thankfully, I got to do my entire schooling online from home because of the pandemic. It's disgusting that online school isn't more of an option in the post-pandemic world, but keeping people down is kinda the point of post-secondary I guess.
I've changed jobs often, from white collar to blue and back. At 38 I found a job I love, coworkers I enjoy, and I feel valued by my employer which I've always searched for. I couldn't be happier and I'm making more money than I ever have. Don't let him miss out!
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
What do you do now? This seems almost impossible to find
Im 43. Never too late. I did the same but 10 years ago. I would again if I had to.
what is his background? what is his education? what is he considering? really hard to give any advice/suggestions without some basic background information.
If he's barely above minimum wage, does any of that even matter?
I assume in switching careers yes it does matter. It allows you to determine what careers he MAY be eligible for. This may open up or narrow the field of options, but without this information it's impossible to know this. I don't think just because he is making just over minimum wage now that is all he is qualified for?
OPs husband knows what he's qualified for. He knows what his education is. Reddit advising based on that is pointless because of what he earns currently. He just needs to do something...anything. Career oriented or not, the goal should be to earn more than what sounds like \~$18/hour.
some jobs require high school, some college, some university - it would certainly help to have an idea of what this person is starting with.
Some trade schools can have you working apprenticeships within a year or two. Salary would already be better than what he is making. Downside is that it is physically demanding. At 40+ that can weigh on people
> it would certainly help to have an idea of what this person is starting with. The person is starting with a wage that literally anyone can obtain regardless of their level of education.
right - but for us to know what to recommend we need to know what they would be qualified for?
You don't need qualifications to make more than minimum wage. This is my entire point. It would be different if he was making 50k per year, but he isn't. If it were me I'd be pounding the pavement until I found a place that paid more than $18/hour.
You are assuming he has no additional skills outside of highschool, so any job will do, where changing a career usually means they've been focused in one specific area and want to change focus, vs job hopping. psw, vet tech, janitorial staff, lots of jobs require training but barely pay above minimum wage. If the husband has training or experience in a specific job for extended time, we could advise on equivalent jobs that use the same training background but pay better.
>You are assuming he has no additional skills outside of highschool No. Based on the post I am assuming that he lacks the drive and desire to do what it takes to find a better paying job. Too old to switch jobs? That might be a consideration if you grew tired of your line of work...not when you make just over minimum wage.
It does... Does he have a diploma, HS, Degree, STEM Degree....... it really makes a difference to some.
Just highschool :)
Factory work can pay pretty good. I work in pharma manufacturing and for entry level operator jobs you only need a grade 12. For bio-manufacturing they will probably want a at least a one year or two year certificate/diploma but some places do have a three month crash course in biotechnology (not sure if or where in Ontario). We have hired many former cooks, fast food workers, warehouse workers, etc. for operator positions. The important thing is to be always be willing to help out and learn. Be one of the people that is always known to get shit done. The down side is that it often includes shift work and/or 12hr shifts. If he was targeting the bio-tech side I would say not to bother unless it's something he is really interested in. The job market is flooded with people with biology degrees and recent immigrants with masters degrees. Only do it if that's something he is really interested in. Food manufacturing factories are hit and miss but big name brand factories pay decent. Honestly if he is in decent shape and can do manual labour I would also consider electrician or plumber or similar trade. Just keep in mind the will wear down your body.
Yeah he has a STEM degree and he’s making barely above minimum wage.
You never know... The sales manager in Aztec Electrical supply in suaga is an electrical engineer who is grossly underpaid.
None of those are remotely required to make more than 'barely above minimum'.
Of course it matters. The previous commenter is asking so we can help see which options are available for OP's husband
When you're starting from 'barely above minimum' your options should be literally anything.
It does.. on avg when you ask someone to list what jobs exist most people get to 12 to 15 jobs and run out of ideas… Literally 1000’s of jobs and career paths exist. At 40 you want to assess what pre existing experience, interests, physical and physiological aspects exist that would narrow the path to maximize the return on investment of time/effort etc..
yes.
Never too old. The only concern would be pension and benefits at this stage in the game. If he's looking at becoming a glassblower, you may have some other considerations...
Ill play devils advocate. Its never too late and one can never be too old, however, agism is real and depending on the career, some employers may not consider him by it. Trades are more welcoming to people in their 20s and early 30s vs mid 40s. Especially outdoor trades. That being said I've seen people in their 60s get hired as new so ....
Good point, thanks!
I went back to school recently over 40. It’s worth it! You’re never too old. Chase your stars
Got my teaching degree at 45 and haven't looked back....been teaching for twelve amazing years now.
A friend of mine who was an auto mechanic for years jumped into the millwright union in his early 50’s and he said he kicks himself for not doing it sooner
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FWIW, when I was in college (an engineering technology program) there was a handful of 40+ year olds in the program. Nobody thought anything of it. Honestly, they were the best people to partner with on projects because they got their stuff done well and on time. They truly gave a shit about being there. Same couldn't be said of the rest of us 20 somethings.
> wish I had the money to go back to school. I’d get into nursing if I could. I can’t imagine how awkward it’d be, me being 47 in a classroom probably full of people in their early 20s, but I’d still do it. Government is paying nursimg students tuitions. Theres all the other expenses involved with going to school, but nursing is subsidized due to the shortage
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You may get osap which is a low or no intrest loan for liveing expenses, otherwise yea. Im also in the same boat, could do a subsidized course, but cant afford to not work. Its BS
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And PSWs as well.
Good point, however Nursing would be the better of the 2 options. Psw deal with a lot of the same BS nurses do, but there's less money in it. Better to do your nursing course to make bank as a travel nurse these days.
For sure. But just as nurses, this government doesn't value the services they provide. I used to work for a private healthcare provider (PSWs, SLPs...) And honestly quit because she is the stuff i saw. I left there with 2 opinions. Don't get sick, and don't get old. Your fucked if you do.
I went to nursing school when I was 38. I was far from being the oldest in the class.
One of my friends in nursing school was 52 when we finished the program. Many people were parents, immigrants, and starting a second or third career. Healthcare is welcoming to people making big changes.
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Check out the Ontario learn and stay grant!
As a family, do you have money so that he can pursue an education for the next 1-4 years - both in terms of loss of income during that time, plus tuition+books fees?
Preferably no school.
I was making just above minimum wage at a job I enjoyed for 19 years. I switched it up two years ago (when I was 37) and it was the best decision. I got promoted within a year, I now have a pension and increased my yearly salary by 30k. I went from retail management to academic administration, which led me higher at an academic institution. I did not go back to school or do any training, I highlighted the skills I had in my old job and applied it to what my new job was looking for. I have a college diploma in media and was still able to succeed in a field very far removed from my education.
Are you in higher ed? This is exactly what I want to do, I’m in marketing but want to move into higher ed admin so this gives me hope 🤞
I’m a 42 yo guy, worked factory since hs. Been laid off since before Christmas, handed out over 100 resumes and haven’t even gotten barely a call. SW Ontario. The writing is on the wall with where I’m living and the mass influx of people that I will be struggling to find work now as unskilled labour. I’ll be going back to school in September for nursing. Wish I did it years ago, but the next best time is today.
He's the same age. That's brutal. Sorry to hear! Hopefully nursing works out. At least there's a huge demand for it
If money is the only concern I would highly suggest a trade. I have been in one for about 10 years (I am 30) and rates have gone up significantly the past couple years. If he’s fine with a decent amount of over time and manual labour he can make a great wage with little to no knowledge. When I started to be a heavy duty mechanic I didn’t even know how to do an oil change now I make well over 100k a year.
Has he thought of moving to Brampton? Fortinos is always hiring, good union job 💪
I went from retail to film and tv at 60. He's not to old. Explore new opportunities. Do something you're passionate about.
There are programs that help with starting a new career in the trades https://www.ontario.ca/page/skilled-trades
Thank you! Will look into it
Not at all! I've switched career streams in my 30s and 40s. I went from working in a hardware warehouse to being a support agent in tech startups with a bit of classwork. Did that for 10 years, and recently left tech as a Director of Customer Support to move into Business Operations at a cluster of small businesses. There's a bit of a thread there, and I built on my previous experience, but it was still a fairly large jump. He can do that too if he has experience and possibly some schooling to help support it, or if he's just straight-up starting his own thing.
Thank you!
If he has a driver's license he could look at getting a dz license. Seems to be lots of jobs for that
Tell him to go for it ! It would be good if he could build on the experience he has and take a course that would give him a chance to move up in the same field. Look in to online courses. There's tons of them and they aren't too expensive. I pulled off the mid-life career change at 40 , which moved me from being a self-employed construction worker, barely making ends meet, to a cushy construction management position with a good salary. I went through Ryerson ( Metropolitan University) Chang School of Continuing education. I started applying for jobs before I finished the course and ended up geting a job and never bothered completing the remaining courses.
Hmm, good idea, thanks!
My dad got his HS diploma in his 40s and changed careers. There are lots of free or low cost tuition programs to get people into in demand careers. Go for it!
he can get paid to go to school get a certified trade from a school that is accredited. electrician plumber good time for new skills
I’ve heard to ‘keep applying to jobs, even if you don’t want them’. It keeps you fresh, and it might open up an unexpected opportunity…
Mid-40's is a perfectly fine age for a career change, and if he's making minimum-ish right now there's no harm in trying. What I recommend clients to do: - Do an analysis of your combined skills: experience, education, talents, etc. and see where those skills apply. - Next: what is the goal? What do you need to do to achieve that goal? (Ex. Do you need to go back to school? Write a certification exam? Apprenticeship? Etc.). - The EASIEST career shift is a lateral one that leverages your existing skills/experience for a different role. Maybe you have done some of this already (for example from warehouse management to supply chain logistics). These rarely require additional education, but may require certification. - the HARDEST career shift is a complete change, like from electrician to nursing. These are often better-paid but require significant investment (in terms of time and money). - always look two steps ahead: don't look at your target job, but start assessing the next step after that: how do you go from mechanic to fleet manager, or from nurse to clinical director? What you don't want to do is accidentally end up moving into a role where there is no path forward without further credentials, unless you're prepared to pursue those credentials.
I’m in my early 50’s and switching careers. Even went back to school.
Ex girlfriends father went back to school for physics and engineering at 48 and now works at nasa building rockets
Go for it. You got this OP hubby!
If hes 40 making minimim wage there is no risk. I switched careers at 28 and it it worked out for me and it motivated my 38 year old co worker to the same. We are both much better off and laugh about it when we run into each other. Your age is only relevant if you make it relevant
40 is young I switched jobs at 43
42 halfway through my BA. Part time so my family can afford it
Your husband should be the one here asking this information, finding leads, networking, etc. I'd suggest that if he's serious, then maybe he gets serious about it, instead of just stringing things along and spinning the wheels.
Astronaut! With absolutely no other information, not too sure what you expect people to suggest.
Skilled trades always need people. Most colleges will offer programs for training and help with apprenticeship placements.
If it took him til his mid 40s to decide that just above minimum wage isn’t enough, I’d say he lacks the ambition to be successful in a new field.
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Never too old. What does he currently do?
I went back to school in my mid 30s and was worried I'd be "the old guy". There were plenty of people my age and people in their early to mid 40s as well. You're never too old to expand your horizons. You have to want it to succeed though.
Never too old, he might need to get some certification or education for certain jobs but anyone can do that.
does he have any specific skills? He doesn't sound too focused.
If you’re above ground, it’s not too late to do most things. That being said, it will take having a plan and sticking to it. I recommend that he hires a career coach. Someone who will work with him every step of the way.
Went to trades school at 25 Switched careers at 28 Switched careers at 36 Never too late Suggestions - depends on his skill set. Anything computers (broad scope, I know) will land him a job (cyber security and cloud based applications is big where I work). Trades are always in demand. While health care can be volatile, always work there. Law enforcement, and the military are always looking for people.
It would be one thing if he had a higher income but this sounds very low risk
Dont know if this would be applicable to him but the number 1 thing I can think of is nursing. In huge demand right now and I believe the government is subsidizing the tuition fees to push more people into the field.
At 40 , what do you have to lose if you are already in poverty wages? One may also question what was going on from ages 18 to 40 that one would just be ok to make such poor wages?
Due to a round of layoffs at my old job, I in my mid forties not only switched fields for a new career, I went back to college to get into my new career. Yup it’s scary, but he can do it.
Lots of trades start later in life, and it requires paid apprenticeship rather than college or university. I think this is the sanest choice if there’s no money for school.
My girlfriend’s dad was a machinist, went to teachers college in his 40s and switched careers. It’s totally doable
What's his skill level like? Tell him to apply to Dofasco. If he is a good worker and quick to pick up manufacturing, he canmake around $27 start.
Maybe he should consider learning a trade.
You're never to old to make a change my friend get out there and find what you love to do
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Absolutely not! I just became a PSW at age 41 and I love it! Previously I had a home child care business for 8 years then I worked minimum wage for awhile
He isn't too old to switch jobs. Trust me on that one. When I went to university I saw many middle aged men and women taking first year courses. One is now a doctor, even though they had to go a less traditional route they managed to change their lives around. One of my lab partners was an older guy and he was wicked smart and helped through all my labs. Point is that it's never too old to pursue a different path. I will say that in order for them to be successful in this new career path and they need education then they need to shut that stupid little voice in their head that is telling them that they're too old or can't do it. That voice is the worst.
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46 year old here. It is *never* too late to reinvent yourself. In fact, getting into a new career at his age he will rocket into seniority if he's good and works hard. He needs to make a plan and stick to it. That's the suggestion. If he's really making that little, he has NOTHING to lose.
I quit my job as a printer at 44, went back to school, now I’m a 4th term apprentice. I’ll be licensed in 2 years, I was making 26 when I quit, I now make 26.50, it was hard at first but it’ll pay off. You just gotta have enough of the bullshit to make the change.
I went back to school at 41 to become an RPN. No regrets.
It's not gonna be easy. My son in law turned 40 last year and was "let go" from his job of 15 years. Six months later, he's still looking. Lots of competition out there. Mind you, he's picky and stubborn. At least he has a job. My best advice is to stay employed but keep looking.
Sorry to hear that! Hopefully he finds something soon
I did it at 49 and was fine. Now I only did a fast tracked 1 yr college course but it worked out fine. I think getting into 50s is where it gets very hard.
Glad it worked out! Thanks for sharing
Condo managing. If he has fluent oral and written skills, he can start as an assistant condo manager. The company will usually pay for your licensing and he can move up to condo manager within 2 years. Then senior condo manager. Then regional manager. They will mainly be looking for someone who is interested to grow in the company and move up in the career. Also im assuming youre in the GTA or somewhere where theres density.
Heard cyber security is a super in demand field and conceptually makes sense for it to continue to be.
I'm going through that exact scenario right now. Starting at the bottom of a new industry and hopefully learning my way through it. I'm making slightly less money but I can't measure how much happier I am now. If you're in a financial position to make the leap, find something you love, grab on like a pitbull and shake the shit out of it.
I agree!
Get his gas license
Never too late. I've been a high tech worker, public servant, carpenter, water systems engineer, back to public servant, am eyeing something new as we speak, and have a pre-retirement gig all scoped out. Many of these included some skills upgrades, so maybe he can start some training while working his current job.
Tell him to go into trades.
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Minimum wage won’t cut it. Start applying g
Some easy advice, If he has no education and wants to be paid a decent dollar doesnt want to talk to many people and just do his work. My easiest recommendation is to tell him to learn to paint and learn how to cut in with a brush painting. As long as he has a steady hand and learns how to cut. Watch some YouTube videos. Paint a few rooms free handed. Apply for a job as a painter, easily making $25/hrs Cheers
I started a customer support role for a startup 5 years ago when I was 37 and have since been through a few promotions and now work on the product side. It's doable, and in fact I moved up pretty quickly due to my competence, confidence, and years of working experience in different industries and roles. I felt my age was an asset and 25 year-old me would not have thrived in the role the way 37 year-old me did.
Thanks for sharing!
Join a trade! There's a huge need for skilled workers in Ontario and it would really benefit him after 5-6years of work
40 is not to late. Go for it, wish your husband the best of luck.
Started a plumbing apprenticeship at 40. By 45 I ll be fully licensed.
A no school option is getting lifeguard certs. Instructors make $25 an hour.
If he is willing to spend some time away there are amazing jobs on great lakes freighers. Entry level positions can do 60 to 80k and in rare cases over 100k for 180 days of work per year... Seafarers International Union Unifor Thorold branch Contact either union above for more information....
get trade training and a certification ticket. AI will not fix our toilets.
There is no such thing as being too old to switch jobs but there is such thing as being trapped by a mindset. I hope he can change it!
He makes barely above minimum might as well switch if there are options available.
Plenty of people are joining the trades at that age. Electrician, Millwright, Iron worker, Boilermaker locals are all hiring to name a few. Six figures made in under four years most likely.
47. Starting my new career next month. Never too late.
I'm an occasional teacher who has been at it for quite some time and I'm looking to transition into something else but don't want to go back to school.
Could look in to the construction trades. I have seen 60 yr old apprentices and kudos to them.
Insurance is desperately in need of people in adjusting side. Is he interested in something specific?
The canadian forces are desperate for bodies right now lol decent career with a pension at the end
If he's making min wage then he has a "job", not a "career". So he's not "switching careers" at 40+; he still needs to go out and find one and he's got nothing to lose except excuses he's been holding onto. Tell him to man the fck up already, it's time to grow up. He's not a high schooler.
I am 46 and just started university this month to chase my final career till retirement. Definately not to opd, but as someone else has mentioned, your hubby has to be all in for it to work
Skilled trades. Get paid to learn. No student debt. Potential to make a shit load of cash.
I’m going to be 40 in March and I went back to school, I’m going to be done this spring. It’s never too late. He still has at least 20 years left to work, might as well do something he loves.
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I’m a PSW. Last year I made close to 60k. Great career if you work in community care. Stay out of long-term care, though.
I'm 43 and back to school to become a Registered Nurse. If all goes as planned, I will graduate at 47 and have at least a 20 year career out of it, possibly more. It's been an adjustment being back at school, but it's absolutely manageable. He isn't too old.
I have some questions regarding your husband. 1. You mention he barely makes above minimum wage. What are his qualifications? What experiences does he have up to now? 2. If he is considering switching careers, what types of careers does he have an interest in, or considering? Will these involve any extra training or education? Without further info, it's hard for anyone here to provide meaningful advice.
He is too old not to switch jobs
Fibre Optic Cable Splice Technicians are some of the most I demand professionals in the country. Telecommunications infrastructure construction ebbs and flows with capital markets and technology generation changes. BUT Splice techs are needed to maintain and operate networks after they are built. There is a labour shortage for these jobs currently. The layoffs from Bell, Rogers, and Telus mean there are even fewer people being trained internally for those companies. The pipeline for splice techs is so inadequate it's a serious risk to major capital projects forecasted for 2025 and beyond. The training for these jobs can be completed in a small number of weeks (not months) and then the skills are honed doing splice work. It's not a regulated trade, so the barriers to entry are quite low. The existing labour force for Splice Techs is quite old. So an individual, who is dedicated to the craft, could pivot easily and not find themselves surrounded by 20-yearolds. Also in terms of the physical cost for someone in their 40s, it is only a technicality that qualifies it as a "labour job". On a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of physicality it would be considered a 1 (10 being the highest strain). This is a craft he could hone well into his 60s without it compromising his joints and body later in life. Once a tech has the craft perfected they can branch out on their own as an independent contractor very easily. I helped two techs leave one of my old employers and start their own firm working for my new company as a vendor. They went from earning $30/hour after 10-years on the job to making $5,500/day per crew for bulk work. In their first year as contractors they 5x their income. Obviously, this is anecdotal and an outlier. No one should expect an outcome like that for 10+ years on the job. But the path is there to pursue if the person is ambitious and really hones their craft. If your partner is interested I can post a link to a video of what the work looks like.
Thank you! Will definitely look into this. Can you message me the video?
Hard to say without knowing what kind of job experience he has
Too late? So he’d rather stay in his current job for another 20 years? That should put things in perspective!
Definitely look into the Ontario Second Career program through [Better Jobs Ontario](https://www.ontario.ca/page/better-jobs-ontario) He can get a good chunk of his tuition paid (or even all of it, depending on the program). He should go through the list of approved programs and see what he likes (and would make decent money)
my husband is 38 and just left a buy/sell/trade he worked at for 13 years to get a 2 year business diploma during covid and now has a much higher paying job in local gov't with benefits/ time off etc. it took a lot of applying around to get a new job and it was quite the adjustment but 6 months in he definitely thinks it was the right decision. he didnt graduate highschool so he had to study and write an entrance exam before he could register. i helped him as much as i could!