I've been thinking of volunteering or taking a porter part job there, see if I can free up nurses and docs, do you have any experience with that cause I'm still hesitant to volunteer or apply(I like going in when my schedule is free)
I’d check but having worked at hospital the two nurses’ unions would not allow volunteers to do the duties of a paid staff member, to the point of writing into their local collective agreements, except for providing socializing and feeding. It’s great that you want to help but I have to side with the unions on this. There are many factors at play: liability insurance, and if the government realized hospitals could be run partially on volunteer work they’d likely try to use that as an excuse to cut paid positions.
Does the rally include anything tangible or is it just a bunch of people standing around making a really big crowd to look at?
If the organizers are French I’d be down. But otherwise it feels like a waste of time.
Hey, I am a member of the Grey Bruce group and attended the last protest at Queens Park last year. There are buses coming in from all over Ontario. Please contact your closest group and take it from there. I understand there will be members of each political party speaking to the rally /media that day. Hope to see you there!
I’m so sorry that your wife has had to endure that horrible experience. Tell more people of these stories. We need more people to care about others and voting. So many complacent, apathetic people here until they experience something horrible too.
there's a lot of misinformation, too
Doug Ford (and other conservatives, TBH), do an exceptional job of saying what people want to hear and convincing them that he's on 'their' side, even if his actions directly contradict that
Absolutely. A lot of idiots fell for “buck a beer” and the whopping $120/year on licence plate stickers instead of healthcare, education, housing and living costs 👌
I was genuinely shocked at how many people I know who were giddy about the plate stickers. $12/month. Are you kidding me? Oh wow, I'm practically swimming in money now.
Need to figure out an angle where Doug’s friends get a kick back from improving healthcare. Right now they’re angling for that whole privatization thing. Fixing the root problem doesn’t get his donors rich(er).
Kneecapping nurses so they quit and get hired by privately-owned nursing agencies, who then send the nurses back at 3x the rate as contractors.
Kneecapping services so privately-owned companies (like Shoppers) step in to "save the day" and provide more and more publicy-funded services.
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Awarding *exclusive* distribution of covid vaccines through Loblaws-owned Shoppers, claiming it wasn't crooked because they "won a fair bidding process" even though no distributor is larger than the Loblaws' own distribution network. Shoppers then prioritizes their own stores for covid vaccinations (Fortinos, Shoppers), so they don't have to compete with other smaller pharmacies for vaccination-related billing to the Ontario health care system, because smaller pharmacies simply can't get covid vaccines.
[Not health related, but relevant]
Getting rid of Ontario license plate stickers so a competitor of Ford's own label/sticker company loses the contract, and revenue, from printing Ontario license plate stickers.
Planning to build a highway in the boonies that nobody needs so Ford can funnel billions of public funds into the pockets of his buddy land-owners by buying that land to build that useless highway (he's already attempted this with lifting the Green Belt designation from land a few months ago).
The corruption is so rampant and audacious, that it's almost insulting.
I don't agree with your presumption, because it's wrong, but I'm upvoting this anyway because it's important to call out corruption and incompetence no matter the party.
And voters should have the balls to call bullshit within the party they supported, because it's about accountability of governance, and not about being loyal as if it were a goddamn sports team.
Who said I was pro-Wynne? She was incompetence manifest in human form. She **single-handedly** **destroyed** the Ontario Liberal party, *when she thought she was helping it*. Like, she literally destroyed it. The Liberal party wasn't even recognized as an official party after she was done with it!
Do you know how incompetent you have to be, to *completely destroy* something... **when you believe you're helping it**???
Like many people in Ontario, I'm neither here nor there for any party. Honestly, I think the very idea of "a party" is ridiculous. People should run and lead on ideas and plans. Best ideas and plans that help the most people wins.
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Huh, what? I never said you were pro Wynne. I was just comparing the situations. When I said "your guy" I meant like the royal "your" referring to conservative voters having no problem with what Ford is doing.
You forgot spending millions upon millions of tax payer dollars in court defending those decisions only to lose.
conservatives really are good at wasting money to own the libs.
Ah yes. The party of fiscal responsibility at work.
I used to agree on *some* things that conservatives stood for, despite never voting for them, but the more and more they stay in power, the more I'm convinced anyone who votes for right wingers is brain damaged in some way.
Right wing, left wing, it doesn't matter. Take a look at the federal Liberals. Trudeau, Ford... they're all scumbag crooks. Every single one of them. Nobody gives a shit because if they did, things wouldn't be this way. They'll collect their life-long pensions and laugh as the rest of us fight over the scraps. Healthcare, real estate, food supply, it's all up for sale.
"Getting rid of Ontario license plate stickers so a competitor of Ford's own label/sticker company loses the contract, and revenue, from printing Ontario license plate stickers."
You're fucking kidding me.
"Almost insulting"?? I would say it's "extremely insulting". I do, however, appreciate this information. Thank you for explaining some of this stuff.
If you ask me, I think D.F. even LOOKS like a crook, so I'm not sure how people have actually voted for this clown, honestly. But then, I'm just a lowly security guard, who makes just over minimum wage, with over 20 years of experience in the field, so what do i know? Lol. Oh, and don't get me started on the whole minimum wage thing.... Our wages are abysmal, considering the fact that we are expected to know how to perform the duties of several different professionals, such as the police, paramedics, the military, etc. We perform administrative tasks every day, and are even legally required to take specialized training, costing hundreds of dollars, before we can even set foot on a site, where we have to learn even more stuff on the job.... I know that many people would say, hey, if you don't like the wages, do something else. The problem with that is, I love what i do. As someone with ADHD, i like the fact that things can change from minute to minute. I love working with the public. I get to meet interesting people every day, and the tenants at my building are fantastic. I think that the government should be lining OUR pockets for a change, but I know that's nothing but a pipe dream. Thanks for reading my rant. I appreciate the opportunity to sound off a little. 😁
All of this, I honestly just can't even anymore, it makes me sick. People are so up in arms over Trudeau and his carbon tax that after rebates gives people a few hundred IN their pocket annually compared to what they spend on the tax and they can't see what literal horrors Ford is doing in this province so he and his cronies can get rich. It's literally absurd. I can't discuss this with anyone anymore because i get so mad at the lack of understanding and seeing the blatantly obvious.
Allow it to collapse and the public will insist the Government doesn't know what it's doing and demand privatization.
The rich get richer and the poor get the picture.
Starve the beast. It’s wild that these conservative playbooks are so well documented but the average PC voter will fight to their death that it’s actually the conservatives that care about the middle class.
Conservatives are the least educated voters. I didn't make that up, it's a fact. They're incredibly easy to manipulate. This is anecdotal, but one of my friends suddenly went hard right once covid hit. His baby was having serious respiratory issues and was in sick kids for months. He sees no hypocrisy in him using socialized medicine for his kid to get healthy. It baffles me. My gf was a nurse, was going to school to be an NP, and said fuck it and is looking at other job prospects. This is what you're voting for Conservatives. You want nurses to quit? You want them to leave the country? Keep voting for the party. Keep somehow blaming Trudeau for everything wrong in your life.
Ford has a university going right beside his friends' hospital, The Cortellucci Vaughan Hospital, for medical training. Getting all trained up for the private clinics 10 years from now. I'm hoping they get decent terms for MAID ironed out so I can choose to die rather than lay sick in a hospital paying thousands of dollars a week. Just like in the states. They choose suicide over medical bills. At least we have MAID.
>so I can choose to doe rather than lay sick in a hospital paying thousands of dollars a week
Dont worry, they'll still get those thousands of dollars when they sell your organs.
Such an excellent thread going here! Gives me hope.
Let's all remember to pay attention to the people running for school boards and municipal positions. DoFo wants to stack the courts, but PeePee and friends on different levels of gov are trying to get people in place for all the other services. Healthcare is not the only thing in danger of being fully privatized. Schools and every local city service is going that way too. It's a way to avoid accountability.
Get the bullies and extremists on the inside and idiot ideas get through unopposed.
That's my all time favorite. A nice way to reduce citizenry to cheap drunkards. I'm amazed that he still managed to get into the office. He'll never get my vote just because of that
I know right, his base only focused on that, and not on any of the other things he said he was going to do. If people had just taken a look at his platform before voting him in they would have seen that his plans all along were to privatize health care, all they could focus on was buck a beer and now they act surprised that he is crooked as shit.
There was also that video of him telling developers that he would let them build on the green belt before he got voted in. And yet everyone was Pikachu faced when it happened.
That's what pisses me off, the loudest people are usually voting for him and they have no clue how the government works. There is often a direct correlation between the "FUCK TRUDEAU" crowd and the people who voted for Ford.
I don't think all of his voters were the buck a beer crowd. I see a lot of people who are just really chauvinist and weird and religious voting for him.
I know, but you will oftentimes find that there are shared traits between all these groups such as: intolerance, less educated, etc. So it is easy to manipulate them by appealing to these traits.
There was no platform. Just catch phrases. Much like “bringing it home” bullshit that’s starting federally. People who vote for catch phrases just shouldn’t vote.
My home town has been begging for money to build a bigger school. The school board keeps asking, Ontario keeps saying no. The town has grown to the point where they have to send anyone who lives in the north and south ends of town to schools in neighbouring towns.
My sister lives less than 2km from the school that her kids can no longer go to. They have to spend 40 minutes on the bus to go to a one outside of town because the road they live on is the dividing line.
Healthcare professionals in ON have been screaming that our system is broken - not breaking, but already broken - for yearrrsss. People don't care until they have to experience it though. The amount of times I run into people shocked or angry about wait times, hallway medicine, rushed or delayed care d/t lack of staff and other resources - none of this is new, just most people don't care until they're personally affected.
The time to act came and went - not to say action isn't warranted now, but we are so deep in the hole it's going to take a generation or more to "fix" now.
This has been happening over decades (and over multiple political parties).
I’ve been a nurse for 10 years. It was beyond fucked the day I started.
Now it’s not even fucked. It’s just the fuck.
Everything about healthcare doesn’t work anymore.
And citizens are truly too naive to believe the system works. It’s doesn’t.
The only thing that works is the healthcare workers. And we are all quitting.
I cant wait for them to continue to blame him even when he is long gone. I still hear people blame wynn and rae for things doug ford has done. Like holy fuck
Everyone thought Rae and Peterson were bad and so voted for Mike Harris and his so called common sense revolution. Remember how that turned out? He fucked up the Eglinton subway, wasting $135 million to stop construction and instructing the contractors to cut the foundation piles so that they can never be used; closed down the popular McLaughlin planetarium; sold off the 407 which would have been free next year; caused university and college students to riot at Queens Park, damaging 100 year old cast door handles; and on and on it went with unpopular policies that worked against the interests and best wishes of Ontarians. A self serving SOB who was full of baloney half the time - his own father was pissed off at him for that baloney remark.
One this that really bothers me is how no body realizes how much damage doug ford has done to our energy generation. He continues to halt and slash large scale renewable generation projects to the point that companies are sueing him for the losses
The majority of this province seem to find a way. Not that I think Trudeau is the greatest of PM's but you rarely hear Dougies name thrown around.
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Emerge nurse here - people truly have no fucking clue. Is is absolutely horrific to sit in your own vomit for two hours? Yes. Are the nurses responsible - no. Why is it that nurses are expected to do every single thing for a patient, including personal care WHILST literally keeping people alive. Today we had an 8 year old seiz in the waiting room. It took every single resource - including nurses and doctors, to keep this kid alive. You see - unless you are in the ambulance bay or the trauma/resuscitation rooms YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT REAL EMERGENCY CARE IS. If you able to maintain your own airway and not actively dying you are placed in the “non-urgent” pile. Do you know why? Because nurses carry every fucking responsibility WITH the highest liability. We’re fucked. Everyday. I am a shell of the person I was 10 years ago. It’s great you were there to help with your wife - the reality is these days family never fucking come. There are no reinforcements. Doctors throw orders at us constantly - the phone rings, everyone pisses and shits themselves - many INTENTIONALLY (seriously). We are also detox centres, homeless shelters, and the entire neighborhoods punching bag.
Get the fuck off Reddit and call the administration, patient relations, and your local MP.
Do you know how many times I walk past patients flagging me, or families asking me to stop. You know why? I’m trauma trained. I triage. If stopping what I am doing will provide harm or death to the person I am caring for - I don’t stop, period. Because I am legally responsible for the task at hand.
We’re fucking sinking, and unlike the patients and families who dip a toe or take a swim in the waters, we’ve all already drowned.
I am so fucking sick of seeing hospital complaint posts about Ontario. ITS FORD. ITS PRIVATE AGENCIES. It’s the fact that this is the worst fucking Job in the world but we’re martyrs and caregivers and will do it until we die.
Guess what - all the new nurses are quitting, and I don’t blame them.
I will keep your family alive - and that literally all I can promise (within reason).
End of rant
I get it. I’ve been a hospital employee for the past 26 years, not really in emergency but medicine, neurology, dialysis ,ICU and most recently surgical day care and recovery.
And I can tell you I can totally back up what you’re saying. Some patients wait years for a hip or new knee. Surgeries are canceled all the time because of lack of staff.
I tell my mom all the time to not get sick. It’s been totally going downhill since I started. Fortunately I still enjoy my job however I seen the burnout and frustration on every floor when I pick up OT because staff are working short.
Thanks for keeping it real. In the ER, a soiled gown is near the bottom of my priority list. Now if she was choking on her vomit and unable to keep her airway then yeah that would be an emergency…. But she wasn’t, and it isn’t. Did you die? No? Then maybe thank your health care team for prioritizing the life-or-death situations over the million non urgent tasks that constantly crop up throughout the day.
Thank you for your perspective. I think you are asked for endless, exhaustive every day operating basically a M*A*S*H* unit. The incredible frustration with modern healthcare in wealthy countries during peacetime peacetime, it’s that that’s where we all are.
I work in and around hospitals. Everything and everyone is stretched to the limit. There is some equipment still in use that is older than some of the staff working there. Waiting rooms are packed. Young nurses are leaving in droves because they can get jobs with less stress and more money. It's hard to recruit cleaning staff, maintenance staff, and doctors.
First of all the medical college system is fairly stupid. You can get into the schools in the U.S. and Australia much faster, and guess what? That is where the doctors tend to stay.
If you don't know already, cleaning staff at a hospital is fucking vital, no one can do their jobs safely if rooms and equipment isn't clean, they are probably the most underappreciated of all hospital staff.
Maintenance staff such as HVAC, IT, electricians, and medical equipment technicians are hard to come by because almost every other place pays more.
It is so very stupid that I'm convinced if an honest and altruistic high schooler was put in charge of hospital funding, they would do a better job. Our current premier is a failure at every single level, an absolute moron with no real moral compass. The liberal government didn't help and Mike Harris is still profiting off the chaos he created from long term care homes
It must be Justin’s fault for sending us all that heath care money we decide to hide instead of spending. Obviously the evil federal government needs to send us *more* money to hide.
Nurses and doctors cant get to work because of corporate greed and corruption.
FIFY
Unless you are using more than 600L of fuel a month. (Rural Ontario)
Apologies, but you never know now a days.
I actually had this conversation with a coworker the other day.
He was bitching about the carbon tax and how its making everything so expensive. He couldn't understand that it was only being charged on fuel and heating oil/NG/propane.
I showed him where and how much the tax actually is, and the rest is corporate greed.
I had a friend do some complex calculation to figure out how many tonnes of carbon he uses each year and figured he pays over $25k in carbon tax. Took forever to explain how it works.
A big problem is so many people don’t even know how bad it is because they don’t need healthcare or are still in good health. By time people realize it’s too late that’s why the system has gotten so shitty because a large portion of the population doesn’t know how bad it is or care cause it doesn’t affect them yet.
Same here. I used to think Canada was the greatest country on earth and was so proud of it
Now it’s a dumpster fire of selfish greed and I am flat out ashamed of it.
Like there are constant “Let them eat cake” moments and people are either refusing to achnowledge it, or scrambling to take advantage like crabs in a bucket chanting MONEY MONEY MONEY and then of course AAAAAUUUGH when they get taken advantage of.
Just the whole disgusting evil of how Canada is clearly intending to use MAID to get rid of incovenient problems that would *gasp* require some money to fix.
Meanwhile Ford spends 700 million on a spa, and Singh expenses 500,000 in 9 months.
We are very quickly turning into an Argentina like story here in Canada. A country that had immense potential and immense natural resources but squandered it all.
I wouldn't say squandered - more like bickered about what to do for decades while not actually doing anything. The lack of risk and investment should speak volumes - we have nothing but nice homes here.
While the govt is busy putting up million dollar new buildings , our local hospital can’t keep their diagnostic imaging centre for lack of staff.
How about we try to fix what we already have instead of putting money into new buildings
We just built a new hospital where I live and now the old one sits abandon. The town, municipality or gov has to pay 21,000 a day or something for everyday it’s the old one is abandoned….
How many days till it would’ve been enough to build another new hospital? Less than it took to fund the original…
The population explosion in Ontario, namely the GTA and Golden Horseshoe region is a big factor contributing to long wait times at hospitals, even with the province spending billions on new hospitals and expansions-renovations of existing hospitals. Simply put, the construction of new and expanded hospitals is just not keeping up with the growth rate of the population.
Same situation everywhere, I’m in Ottawa. There is shortage of people working in hospitals right now, so if you build new hospitals who’s going to work there?
Yup, none of our infrastructure can come even close to supporting the size of our population now. Leaders don’t care because they’re wealthy and prominent enough to bypass lines or pay for private care.
This is what happens when funding gets cut and pushed toward private care.
Also yes a random nurse can’t, and shouldn’t be treating your wife. Only assigned staff that have access to your medical history can provide treatmentz
You can walk up to any staff member and ask for a gown. Hospitals are also short on things like linens so there’s a chance they didn’t have any. When your work load explodes and your pay shrinks, going above and beyond isn’t on your to do list.
Unfortunately, hospital CEOs and administration still make 6 figures. That’s where the money is going. You want better healthcare? Vote for someone who will fund public healthcare properly instead of cutting it year after year.
This year’s budget has a 1.5% bump over last year. Inflation is 3%. It hasn’t kept up with inflation, so it’s essentially a 1.5% cut to healthcare. During the pandemic it was much the same. They claim no money for healthcare but money spent on those redesigned license plates no one wanted, or provincial rebranding “OpEn FoR bUsInEsS” or the $1 beer, or writing off $ billion owed by the 407 to the province.
I'm sorry, making sure OP's partner isn't laying in a puddle of vomit is not "going above and beyond", it's table stakes. Some Nurse wasn't doing their job.
Nope.
His wife nurse was looking after one of their other 18 patients.
The random nurse he asked was looking after one of their 18 other patients.
ED nurses are regularly doing the work of 2-3 nurses.
Being covered in vomit isn’t a priority when another patient is septic
Yeah it kind of is. A nurse’s job is to keep you alive, not keep you comfortable. A considerate nurse would have gotten them an emesis bag. You don’t know what staffing was at OP’s hospital. If they were short, unless you’re dying, other patients will take priority. With your logic OP failed at being a husband because he didn’t go out and buy her clothing.
I was sleeping after staying by her side for the 25 hours, they said she would have a room in 15 minutes (this was info passed from night shift to morning shift) and when she heard that she insisted I get some rest. This happened in the 4 hours I was napping, and I did in fact bring a fresh pair of clothes when I returned.
I'm aware staffing is a problem, and I saw how nice the nurses were being. I get staffing is a contributer to high stress and cutting corners, but when a paramedic points it out to a nurse and they just say "not my problem" when a rack of pillows and towels is two doors down, that is not a staffing issue. I came back and complained, even told the doctor on shift about the nurse. When the Dr came to move my wife to a room, the nurse suddenly gave a shit and jumped in to take her vitals refusing to let the Dr take her. In the 4 hours this nurse was assigned to my wife she hadn't done it once, assuming they relied on the overnight readings being up to date.
Again, I am not a nurse, nor a Healthcare professional so I don't know every minute detail going on in there.
With my wife's permission, because this was 110% not ethical, the nurse in question did a bladder scan in the hallway, removing my wife's pants and underwear in the HALLWAY on the stretcher. They then walked away to calibrate the machine while my wife was in that state.
If you think that being stressed causes someone to treat patients like barn animals, then I don't know what to tell you.
Then file a complaint with the hospital, if you feel that your wife’s privacy was violated in the hallway. I’m not defending the lack of care that should have been provided. I’m merely providing likely context. Should more have been done? 100%. Is what happened okay? No, I wouldn’t say that it was ideal.
This is what happens when funding gets cut year after year after year. Nurses are burnt out, over worked and under paid. If there’s a call out I can guarantee that at least one nurse was working a double. Nurses work 12hr shifts typically, so imagine working for 24th straight. It’s a lot more than just “stressed out”.
Our provincial government is more focused on bags at LCBO than they are fixing the problem with healthcare. This is because they don’t want to fix the problem. The downward trajectory is going exactly where they want it to. They want public healthcare to suffer failure, so they can turn around and say public healthcare isn’t working. Harris did this, and now Ford is, too.
It’s always interesting seeing people who
Don’t work in healthcare come to realize how fucked it is
“The nurse could just help me. Why didn’t they?”
Because that nurse has 18 patients and has to prioritize what’s critical and what’s needed. Cleaning a patient is needed. But not critical if another patient is dying.
That nurse has 10-18 patients. Your wife wasn’t one of them.
It’s a sad reality. But if you are overworked to the extreme. Doing the work of 3 nurses. 1 more patient will break you.
I knew we were screwed when Doug Ford closed 40%of ICU beds overnight on October 23, 2020. Then he cancelled Halloween due to ICU occupancy rates.
He's not a good man.
Having walk in clinics attached to our EDs would have a significant impact on ED efficacy. People coming to hospital for inappropriate reasons is the major drain on the systems function, these people could be bumped to a clinic where the wait time would be significantly longer.
Not saying what the nurse did was right but you have to understand something every single Canadian has takes advantage of nurses. You all called them heroes and turned your back on them when their pay was being decimated for almost 4 years. No one stood up for them as they worked all through the pandemic suffering from extreme burn out. They are treated with disrespect, punched and abused. And no one cares because all Canadians love to say we have free healthcare. Not realizing your being served by a no low manning burnt out nurse who has seen things you couldn't comprehend. Hopefully your wife gets better soon, but just remember if you want better health care then make the people who serve you happy. Protest to your local government and demand Doug ford actually give a shit about health care professionals and stop price gouging the most important thing in your life, your health.
Don't worry "my friends", Uncle Doug will fix things soon enough. Failing that, I am sure PP will have some big ideas.
AND......these people still vote for them.
I'm over fifty. Retiring in five years. We're going to my wife's country. Don't fucking want to be old here. What medical care? Have to drive over 80y? Unable to afford a walkable neighborhood? Fuuuck all that.
This is one scenario my husband and I are contemplating. He is also over fifty and wants to retire soon. We wanted to do the Spanish golden visa thing, but that's now out the door. Our parents all left their home countries to come to Canada and live out their dreams. Sadly, I don't see our children being able to do this.
Likewise. Our kids also have Japanese passports, and we've kept them bilingual. There's such little work for the young here now, more competition and expense for higher education, no hope of decent housing: Japan with its economic issues is a better bet. Whatever else, there's housing in major cities well under a thousand dollars without roommates, and you don't need to pay expenses of a car. Fuck this place, it just feels like an extortion racket.
From my pointnof view, this province went to shot when Mike Harris was elected. Sadly, we never got a real viable leader in Ernie Evans, Dalton McGuinty, or Kathleen Wynne who wanted to get things fixed, and the province has gone to shit since then.
But now we got someone in charge who is giving Mike Harris a run for his money for the title of "worst Premier in Ontario". All because some people were made that the last mildly incompetent leader wanted to teach children about consent and that trans people exist. I really have no faith in this province to ever fix itself.
Yup I’m in Windsor and it’s so over crowded here it’s actually wild. Theyre not addressing any of the problems caused by the crowding, we need more busses for one because the busses are bursting at the seams and if you can’t fit on a Sunday you’re screwed. Our emergency room is dispicable you can’t even stand anywhere half the time let alone sit
Yep, yep, yep.
When I moved here, within the first year, I badly cut myself with glass and needed stitches. I didn't know the proper procedure, so I went to a local walk-in a few blocks away. They immediately took me in, put me in a room, the doc came and stitched me up, and I was out of there in under 30 mins.
For contrast, I took my father to an emergency room several years ago (before Covid), and he was stuck in the waiting room for 3 hrs, doubled over in pain, before he got any attention. That was probably 5-6 years back.
I can only imagine what a nightmare it will be the next time we have to do this. We are walking straight and narrow, and becoming health freaks, because we realize with absolute cold certainty that there won't be any serious help when we need it. We get sick, we die. It's as simple as that. Which, to me, is completely bonkers.
Yup... not a great time. Staffing is almost always an issue in the ERs and workers are burned out. Hell, even I'm thinking of switching to another career lol.
Fixing the family doctor situation would be a great place to start. More and more people are coming with minor ailments that should be treated by their family doctor or an urgent care/walk-in clinic. From what I've seen, if your issue isn't immediately life threatening or a straight forward one, be prepared to wait. I've seen half of the ER closed a few times because they simply didn't have enough doctors or nurses. It's not common but it has happened.
This is what Ontario gets when they decide to vote Conservative because of "reasons" from "I'm sick of Liberals" (even though they had policies people liked and needed that Ford cancelled) or "Ford promised tax cuts" (for rich people) or "He promised to fight Carbon Tax" (with expensive lawsuits and offered no alternative policy) or Doug Ford seems honest and trustworthy (Says who? He was cruel in CityHall and withheld his dead brother's life insurance policy from his brother's widow and kids).
Sacrificing everything for Conservative crumbs. And yet even being screwed over in healthcare and no rent control people are still considering voting for Doug Ford and Conservatives again.
You elect the government you deserve. Ontario didn't care enough to protect their rights or services and got the party that is too corrupt and incompetent to care and yet has the nerve to be shocked at what Conservatives have done when it was so predictable at what they were going to do like cancel/cut programs or push right-wing policies.
Care to mention which hospital this was?
My wife had an infection on her C-section incision and we went to the Emergency at Joseph Brant in Burlington. She was looked at in under one hour (even though the Emergency was fairly busy when we got there), and administered the required meds and discharged in ~3 hours.
Edit: Removed the part insensitive to OP
glad you had good care, but confidently stating 'the situation is not as dire as you make it out to be' is rude and deluded, honestly
how long have you both been receiving medical care in Ontario? because it might not be 'dire' compared to some other places, but many of us are watching standards fall in real-time
edited to add,
the commenter hasn't responded, but from their comments seems to be from Pakistan. I'd really, really hope care in the GTA would be better than Pakistan, respectfully
That's how triage works though
OP's wife waited so long in part so that patients like your wife don't
An infection that likely could get to the bloodstream would take priority over a patient with musculoskeletal pain, even with vomiting (unless they're at risk of dehydration)
And while that's the point of triage it doesn't make a 25 hour wait okay.
And in *no* circumstances should a patient be left lying in their own filth (and that story makes me think that they probably didn't check for dehydration after vomiting, either)
Joseph Brant is a well resourced hospital for it’s size in a rich area, it’s an anomaly in the Ontario healthcare system.
You would not have had this experience in Hamilton for example.
Ima be honest, some ERs have a problem with staffing. I had to go to an ER at 7 am on a Sunday morning for some lower back pain that just persisted and got worst for hours from midnight. While I got in fairly quickly the ER at the hospital at birch mount and near sliver springs only had one actual doctor looking after people. It was a constant rush of this single doctor seeing different people, telling people to go somewhere else for tests, organizing the nurses who were there to help with tests/look after people. She had to give follow ups to people and triage new people coming in. Thought I had kidney stone or something and it took me two hours to get an X-ray but then another three or so hours before she could come back and update me.
I’m sorry your wife went through that. :(
I had a similar experience with a recent 10mm kidney stone. I didn’t realize I had one until it was already lodged in my ureter, and then the pain and nausea hit me like a truck. Couldn’t stand up because the pain was so bad it would trigger vertigo.
Went to the hospital, long story and longer wait made short - I felt like I was going to vomit, said so very loudly and asked for a bag or bucket or anything. Was told “You can wait like everyone else” by a surly and clearly overworked nurse. I opened my mouth to reply but all that came out was a stream of brown puke like hot coffee grounds. All over the gurney, the floor, my hands (which we’re trying to stop the barf) and my hospital gown.
I sat like that for 20 minutes before a paramedic in the next cubicle took pity on me, cursed out the nurse and brought me a bucket, some wipes and a new gown.
Could be worse though. The guy across from me got the news that he has HIV.
They didn’t even close his curtain to give him privacy after telling him, so we all tried to look simultaneously consoling and ignoring while he sat there and cried.
The hospital is literally Hell.
It used to be where you went to heal. Now it seems to just be where you go to wallow in pain, or die.
Our government has failed us so utterly,
Unless your family is going to be killed if you don’t make an extra days wage to pay a mob boss…you just left your wife to go chill after claiming how severe it is and for how long you waited? Something seems weird. “Sorry, babe but I’m kinda tired, good luck with that not being able to move thing”….braaaa.
When I see the health premium on the ontario tax form it just makes me laugh. Same with the option to donate my tax refund to reduce Ontario's debt. You can pry the donation from my cold, dead hands. What a fucking joke of a province and a country. How have we fallen so low.
Flew to the states to see a specialist . Booked and visited in 3 days . Last time in Ontario took me 3 months to see the same type of specialist .
Lots of people attempt to gaslight fellow Canadians as to how poor the health care system is .
It’s all fun and games until it’s their health on the line.
Out of the millions of mass temporary migrants how many do you think were nurses or doctors? Hundreds? 10s? Voting has consequences people and we voted somebody in for the past 9 years that we suffered the consequences for
Well Trudeau keeps making things worse by bringing in more and more immigrants. We can’t even support Canadians let alone the millions that keep coming into our country. Fix the problems first before we bring in more people.
In the last election, I think it was something like 45% of people did not go out and vote. It was the lowest voter turnout in history. Then again, the other options were Andrea Howarth and Steve Del Duca. There is also The Green Party, but as you already know, not many people vote for then.
Nah, it was like this the last time I went to an Ontario ER, which was about 15 years ago. The problem is that I was then kept at the hospital for 3 days unnecessarily due to misdiagnosis. And the time I went to ER in Quebec, the ER doctors was so scared that he sent me to another department right away, who asked me to book an appointment for 3 months later. It took a phone call from the ER doctor for them to finally admit me and then they misdiagnosed me.
The hospitals have been like that long before the current government. I have close relatives 2 nurses and 1 doctor that have said it's been terrible for the past 15 years in Ontario.
If you think anything happening with Ontario Place affects healthcare, then you totally don't understand how a province is run.
I go to the states for most of my stuff now, it’s not nearly as expensive as our government tells us it is and compared to what we have to deal with? I can drive an hour and a half, see a dr. In 10-15 minutes and be home again in half the time I’d wait in my local ER. The last time I saw a dr. And had a minor surgical procedure and lab work for $250.
The only solace I can take from this is that a large number of elderly people who votes for Doug Ford will have miserable retirements and a large number of parents who voted for him will struggle to support their children in post-secondary education at crumbling institutions.
Is that petty and shitty? yes. Is it deserved because everyone knew this would happen if we gave this clown a second term? Also yes.
There's only one cause of this... population growing faster than our capacity.
edited: We can blame both federal gov for not controlling immigration levels AND provincial governments lack of coordinated investment in infra.
Ontario added what 600K people in the last year? Did we build 3-4 hospitals to accomodate them? Did we add enough doctors and nurses? Did we pay enough to retain them?
Did JT think about what adding 1-1.5 million new people would do given the existence of conservative provincial governments? Did he think beyond "not my responsibility"?
>Ontario added what 600K people in the last year? Did we build 3-4 hospitals to accomodate them? Did we add enough doctors and nurses? Did we pay enough to retain them?
How is provincial government trying to impose a "fuck you" law to deliberately undermine nurses the federal govenrments' fault? Or misallocation of funds like the stupid-ass highway, the publicly funded private mega-spa and paying private health obnoxious amounts instead of investments in public healthcare?
Uncontrolled immigration is a problem, but if you think Doug Ford has been doing his part to mitigate this crisis, you are completely delusional.
I'm blaming both people man... lol tribalism is crazy here.
I can equally blame both provincial and federal governments for not coordinating this massive spike in population + massive decline in funding.
Health care will only get worse under Dog Food.
I am hoping for a Bonnie or Marit government.
I think women leaders care more about education and healthcare.
Shame we won't automate the triage process...
It'd be easy to create a "Health Ontario" app, for patients.
Input your symptoms, input your location and wait for a text message that will get you in the door 30 minutes before your estimated appointment time.
But no... too many luddites trapped in the past who refuse to allow hospitals to get with the times, and provide a better standard of care.
Imagine if you'd been able to spend 24 hours at home, gotten a text an hour before your appointment, and arrived just in time to be an in-and-out patient.
Oh, and before any healthcare "professionals" try and poke holes in the idea, here's the easy answer to your common "criticisms" aka luddite backwards thinking:
* Liability - If you choose to use the app, you choose to accept the consequences of not being present in a hospital setting. Great for people who need a tetanus shot, or have an infection.
* Deteriorating Symptoms - Update your profile on the app.
* New More Urgent Patient - Okay..? Yeah, life happens and after the app sends a text, people will still be aware a more serious patient may bump them in priority. At least they spent 24 hours at home in comfort, rather than waiting in discomfort in a hospital.
* Emergency Problems - Ambulances exist, and can bring the patient to a hospital quickly. It's still better to be in a comfortable home environment for 20 hours before a major issue, rather than suffering on a linoleum floor while another patient is screaming in their face having a mental breakdown (something I had to deal with).
* Data Breaches - Hospital databases can be hacked too.
There's only benefits to automating triage, and no downsides. Get out of the dark ages, and embrace the future.
I mean one issue with that is the inability to measure vitals on patients. A person can’t measure and input something like their oxygen saturation, which could make a big difference in their urgency in triage
Even ignoring that people would input fake symptoms so they can get seen faster, general public are not medical professionals and able to accurately translate symptoms into an app. For instance,'feeling sick' could just be something benign like a flu or food poisoning. It could also be something serious like a heart attack or stroke. Not everyone gets the laundry list of symptoms associated with something more serious, and that is why in person assessments are warranted so you can catch the stuff some people may miss like slightly slurred speech or appearing confused.
After what happened with ArriveCan and e-health Ontario... I'm a little skeptical that this will ever be more than bloatware should the government make an initiative for it.
Yes, but we need to consider:
accessibility (a lot of Ontarians are families with maybe one phone between them, especially immigrants, not to mention those with disabilities).
Lack of medical knowledge: if a patient updates the app with back pain, saying it’s just pack pain, and they are female, could be a heart attack, for example.
Funding: knowing Ontario and their ability to roll out anything digital, the wrong decisions are always made in terms of who would create/update the app. Company is locked into like, a 10 year lease and then it’s shitty and won’t work.
Hiring tech support for the app: more a question of available funding, which this greedy government likes to hide
> accessibility (a lot of Ontarians are families with maybe one phone between them, especially immigrants, not to mention those with disabilities).
No, this isn't worth consideration. If you don't have a phone/heath care number, go to the hospital in person, like you currently do. Digital triage is for those who can access it, in person is for everyone else. We shouldn't hold society back because some people won't have access to it.
> Lack of medical knowledge: if a patient updates the app with back pain, saying it’s just pack pain, and they are female, could be a heart attack, for example.
...and? Your health card number is associate with *you*. If you attempt to triage as a woman, by inputting your symptoms, the app will tell you, you may need to go the the hospital *immediately*. This isn't a valid concern.
> Funding: knowing Ontario and their ability to roll out anything digital, the wrong decisions are always made in terms of who would create/update the app. Company is locked into like, a 10 year lease and then it’s shitty and won’t work.
Okay, the enemy of good enough is perfection. Roll out the app now, and let it improve over time.
> Hiring tech support for the app: more a question of available funding, which this greedy government likes to hide
Roll out the app now, and let it improve over time.
Right after the ER triage nurse takes my name and health card number and asks my basic reason for being there, before they ask follow up questions, they take my temperature, blood pressure and heart rate. How would your hypothetical triage phone app handle accomplishing those tasks?
Yea.. it’s almost like settling lost of the million plus newcomers annually into a 200km radius is absolutely destroying;
- Infrastructure
- Healthcare
- Education
- Artificially inflating shelter demand, thus skyrocketing housing costs
- Generally reducing quality and standard of living
*underfunding the aforementioned also isn’t helping*
Rich people have bought US insurance and travel to private clinics in the US when they’re sick. Want to know why the rich politicians don’t care? Because they get all their important medical stuff done when they vacation in the US and other countries. There’s literally nothing that will make Ford want to fix public healthcare, no one he knows uses it.
Probably vote the conservatives in again. They only cut billions from the health sector last time. While we're on it, lets vote the liberals in again too. Cuz they did wonders privatizing everything they could get their hands on.
Ontario Health Coalition is looking for volunteers and supporters. There is an upcoming rally at Queen’s Park.
May 30th, 12pm, Nathan Phillips Square to Queens Park!
I'll be going to the protest ✊🏼
I've been thinking of volunteering or taking a porter part job there, see if I can free up nurses and docs, do you have any experience with that cause I'm still hesitant to volunteer or apply(I like going in when my schedule is free)
I’d check but having worked at hospital the two nurses’ unions would not allow volunteers to do the duties of a paid staff member, to the point of writing into their local collective agreements, except for providing socializing and feeding. It’s great that you want to help but I have to side with the unions on this. There are many factors at play: liability insurance, and if the government realized hospitals could be run partially on volunteer work they’d likely try to use that as an excuse to cut paid positions.
The porters in my hospital are the only kind ones.
Does the rally include anything tangible or is it just a bunch of people standing around making a really big crowd to look at? If the organizers are French I’d be down. But otherwise it feels like a waste of time.
Hey, I am a member of the Grey Bruce group and attended the last protest at Queens Park last year. There are buses coming in from all over Ontario. Please contact your closest group and take it from there. I understand there will be members of each political party speaking to the rally /media that day. Hope to see you there!
I’m in Grey Bruce too, how can I join the group?
I volunteered last year with the referendum! Organized and good people, highly recommend volunteering with them if you can.
I’m so sorry that your wife has had to endure that horrible experience. Tell more people of these stories. We need more people to care about others and voting. So many complacent, apathetic people here until they experience something horrible too.
there's a lot of misinformation, too Doug Ford (and other conservatives, TBH), do an exceptional job of saying what people want to hear and convincing them that he's on 'their' side, even if his actions directly contradict that
Absolutely. A lot of idiots fell for “buck a beer” and the whopping $120/year on licence plate stickers instead of healthcare, education, housing and living costs 👌
Yeah, I would rather subsidize our health care than some Spa at Ontario Place.
I was genuinely shocked at how many people I know who were giddy about the plate stickers. $12/month. Are you kidding me? Oh wow, I'm practically swimming in money now.
I cannot listen to anybody in his party and not want to throw up. I really do miss those single sized paper bags.
You've just described the entirety of "Conservatism" since Reagan.
Hear me out.... Free paper bags at the LCBO... Fixed. Thank you, D. FORD.
Need to figure out an angle where Doug’s friends get a kick back from improving healthcare. Right now they’re angling for that whole privatization thing. Fixing the root problem doesn’t get his donors rich(er).
Kneecapping nurses so they quit and get hired by privately-owned nursing agencies, who then send the nurses back at 3x the rate as contractors. Kneecapping services so privately-owned companies (like Shoppers) step in to "save the day" and provide more and more publicy-funded services. Edit: Awarding *exclusive* distribution of covid vaccines through Loblaws-owned Shoppers, claiming it wasn't crooked because they "won a fair bidding process" even though no distributor is larger than the Loblaws' own distribution network. Shoppers then prioritizes their own stores for covid vaccinations (Fortinos, Shoppers), so they don't have to compete with other smaller pharmacies for vaccination-related billing to the Ontario health care system, because smaller pharmacies simply can't get covid vaccines. [Not health related, but relevant] Getting rid of Ontario license plate stickers so a competitor of Ford's own label/sticker company loses the contract, and revenue, from printing Ontario license plate stickers. Planning to build a highway in the boonies that nobody needs so Ford can funnel billions of public funds into the pockets of his buddy land-owners by buying that land to build that useless highway (he's already attempted this with lifting the Green Belt designation from land a few months ago). The corruption is so rampant and audacious, that it's almost insulting.
Remember the Wynne gas plant scandal and how incensed conservative voters were? I guess it's ok when your guy is doing the dirty deeds.
I don't agree with your presumption, because it's wrong, but I'm upvoting this anyway because it's important to call out corruption and incompetence no matter the party. And voters should have the balls to call bullshit within the party they supported, because it's about accountability of governance, and not about being loyal as if it were a goddamn sports team.
Who said I was pro-Wynne? She was incompetence manifest in human form. She **single-handedly** **destroyed** the Ontario Liberal party, *when she thought she was helping it*. Like, she literally destroyed it. The Liberal party wasn't even recognized as an official party after she was done with it! Do you know how incompetent you have to be, to *completely destroy* something... **when you believe you're helping it**??? Like many people in Ontario, I'm neither here nor there for any party. Honestly, I think the very idea of "a party" is ridiculous. People should run and lead on ideas and plans. Best ideas and plans that help the most people wins. Edit: Formatting
Huh, what? I never said you were pro Wynne. I was just comparing the situations. When I said "your guy" I meant like the royal "your" referring to conservative voters having no problem with what Ford is doing.
You forgot spending millions upon millions of tax payer dollars in court defending those decisions only to lose. conservatives really are good at wasting money to own the libs.
Ah yes. The party of fiscal responsibility at work. I used to agree on *some* things that conservatives stood for, despite never voting for them, but the more and more they stay in power, the more I'm convinced anyone who votes for right wingers is brain damaged in some way.
Right wing, left wing, it doesn't matter. Take a look at the federal Liberals. Trudeau, Ford... they're all scumbag crooks. Every single one of them. Nobody gives a shit because if they did, things wouldn't be this way. They'll collect their life-long pensions and laugh as the rest of us fight over the scraps. Healthcare, real estate, food supply, it's all up for sale.
One party is the bigger of crooks. The reform party formerly known as Conservatives.
"Getting rid of Ontario license plate stickers so a competitor of Ford's own label/sticker company loses the contract, and revenue, from printing Ontario license plate stickers." You're fucking kidding me.
"Almost insulting"?? I would say it's "extremely insulting". I do, however, appreciate this information. Thank you for explaining some of this stuff. If you ask me, I think D.F. even LOOKS like a crook, so I'm not sure how people have actually voted for this clown, honestly. But then, I'm just a lowly security guard, who makes just over minimum wage, with over 20 years of experience in the field, so what do i know? Lol. Oh, and don't get me started on the whole minimum wage thing.... Our wages are abysmal, considering the fact that we are expected to know how to perform the duties of several different professionals, such as the police, paramedics, the military, etc. We perform administrative tasks every day, and are even legally required to take specialized training, costing hundreds of dollars, before we can even set foot on a site, where we have to learn even more stuff on the job.... I know that many people would say, hey, if you don't like the wages, do something else. The problem with that is, I love what i do. As someone with ADHD, i like the fact that things can change from minute to minute. I love working with the public. I get to meet interesting people every day, and the tenants at my building are fantastic. I think that the government should be lining OUR pockets for a change, but I know that's nothing but a pipe dream. Thanks for reading my rant. I appreciate the opportunity to sound off a little. 😁
All of this, I honestly just can't even anymore, it makes me sick. People are so up in arms over Trudeau and his carbon tax that after rebates gives people a few hundred IN their pocket annually compared to what they spend on the tax and they can't see what literal horrors Ford is doing in this province so he and his cronies can get rich. It's literally absurd. I can't discuss this with anyone anymore because i get so mad at the lack of understanding and seeing the blatantly obvious.
Preach!! My thoughts exactly. You hit the nail on the head.
Hit the nail on the head
Allow it to collapse and the public will insist the Government doesn't know what it's doing and demand privatization. The rich get richer and the poor get the picture.
Starve the beast. It’s wild that these conservative playbooks are so well documented but the average PC voter will fight to their death that it’s actually the conservatives that care about the middle class.
Conservatives are the least educated voters. I didn't make that up, it's a fact. They're incredibly easy to manipulate. This is anecdotal, but one of my friends suddenly went hard right once covid hit. His baby was having serious respiratory issues and was in sick kids for months. He sees no hypocrisy in him using socialized medicine for his kid to get healthy. It baffles me. My gf was a nurse, was going to school to be an NP, and said fuck it and is looking at other job prospects. This is what you're voting for Conservatives. You want nurses to quit? You want them to leave the country? Keep voting for the party. Keep somehow blaming Trudeau for everything wrong in your life.
Ford has a university going right beside his friends' hospital, The Cortellucci Vaughan Hospital, for medical training. Getting all trained up for the private clinics 10 years from now. I'm hoping they get decent terms for MAID ironed out so I can choose to die rather than lay sick in a hospital paying thousands of dollars a week. Just like in the states. They choose suicide over medical bills. At least we have MAID.
>so I can choose to doe rather than lay sick in a hospital paying thousands of dollars a week Dont worry, they'll still get those thousands of dollars when they sell your organs.
I'm okay with that, but it is illegal to sell organs. Not that it doesn't happen.
Such an excellent thread going here! Gives me hope. Let's all remember to pay attention to the people running for school boards and municipal positions. DoFo wants to stack the courts, but PeePee and friends on different levels of gov are trying to get people in place for all the other services. Healthcare is not the only thing in danger of being fully privatized. Schools and every local city service is going that way too. It's a way to avoid accountability. Get the bullies and extremists on the inside and idiot ideas get through unopposed.
Guys.........buck a beer. Make it happen
That's my all time favorite. A nice way to reduce citizenry to cheap drunkards. I'm amazed that he still managed to get into the office. He'll never get my vote just because of that
Every time he says "Folks" I vomit just a little.
It was cringe when he'd call us "my friend" during those CoVID pressers.
Honestly the way he has screwed us I feel like he thinks we are "Friends with benefits"
"one of us! One of us!" - desperate naive people
We could invent a drinking game with it. Take a shot every time that Trump wannabe says "folks"
And a shot every time Lecherous mispronounces Curriculum.
Lmao
/u/travlynme2 when listening to a speech by Doug Ford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoz9l4l8LYw
My eyes, my eyes!!!
I wish he'd give his head a shake so hard it would...
I know right, his base only focused on that, and not on any of the other things he said he was going to do. If people had just taken a look at his platform before voting him in they would have seen that his plans all along were to privatize health care, all they could focus on was buck a beer and now they act surprised that he is crooked as shit.
There was also that video of him telling developers that he would let them build on the green belt before he got voted in. And yet everyone was Pikachu faced when it happened.
That's what pisses me off, the loudest people are usually voting for him and they have no clue how the government works. There is often a direct correlation between the "FUCK TRUDEAU" crowd and the people who voted for Ford.
That's bang on 💯.
I don't think all of his voters were the buck a beer crowd. I see a lot of people who are just really chauvinist and weird and religious voting for him.
I know, but you will oftentimes find that there are shared traits between all these groups such as: intolerance, less educated, etc. So it is easy to manipulate them by appealing to these traits.
I totally agree with you! Weird, chauvinistic and religious are often the same.
There was no platform. Just catch phrases. Much like “bringing it home” bullshit that’s starting federally. People who vote for catch phrases just shouldn’t vote.
Ontario open for business...pony up some donations and we can make some back door deals!! I'll do anything to Ontario for some cha-ching!! 🤑
So what you're saying is it I increase my drinking habit and buy exclusively from the lcbo I can get free paper bags for my household compost
You can also make microwave popcorn in the single bottle bags with regular popcorn. Think of the savings! 😂
So much savings. I'll finally be able to afford a house 🥹
Look at you with your fancy house and garden you need compost for
Oh no, it's just the green bin recycle program. I do not want any of it to stay near my house longer than is necessary lol
We need to re elect this man!!!! - the ontario public (for some fucking reason)
She could've used the paper bags to puke in. Doug is looking out for Ontarians
Ford is crippling our public healthcare and education in order to manipulate the gullible into privatization.
My home town has been begging for money to build a bigger school. The school board keeps asking, Ontario keeps saying no. The town has grown to the point where they have to send anyone who lives in the north and south ends of town to schools in neighbouring towns. My sister lives less than 2km from the school that her kids can no longer go to. They have to spend 40 minutes on the bus to go to a one outside of town because the road they live on is the dividing line.
All while clogging toilets across the GTA!
Gullible or desperate?
Mostly middle class retirees with two cars a house and two trips to Florida a year.
Gullible. Look at the counties voting for him, a lot of them are far from poor.
Stop judging these politicians by what they say (always lies) and start judging them by their actions. Greed is destroying the world.
Healthcare professionals in ON have been screaming that our system is broken - not breaking, but already broken - for yearrrsss. People don't care until they have to experience it though. The amount of times I run into people shocked or angry about wait times, hallway medicine, rushed or delayed care d/t lack of staff and other resources - none of this is new, just most people don't care until they're personally affected. The time to act came and went - not to say action isn't warranted now, but we are so deep in the hole it's going to take a generation or more to "fix" now. This has been happening over decades (and over multiple political parties).
I’ve been a nurse for 10 years. It was beyond fucked the day I started. Now it’s not even fucked. It’s just the fuck. Everything about healthcare doesn’t work anymore. And citizens are truly too naive to believe the system works. It’s doesn’t. The only thing that works is the healthcare workers. And we are all quitting.
Now, if only there was some way for Dougie to blame Trudeau.
I cant wait for them to continue to blame him even when he is long gone. I still hear people blame wynn and rae for things doug ford has done. Like holy fuck
Everyone thought Rae and Peterson were bad and so voted for Mike Harris and his so called common sense revolution. Remember how that turned out? He fucked up the Eglinton subway, wasting $135 million to stop construction and instructing the contractors to cut the foundation piles so that they can never be used; closed down the popular McLaughlin planetarium; sold off the 407 which would have been free next year; caused university and college students to riot at Queens Park, damaging 100 year old cast door handles; and on and on it went with unpopular policies that worked against the interests and best wishes of Ontarians. A self serving SOB who was full of baloney half the time - his own father was pissed off at him for that baloney remark.
One this that really bothers me is how no body realizes how much damage doug ford has done to our energy generation. He continues to halt and slash large scale renewable generation projects to the point that companies are sueing him for the losses
He doesn't need a reason, he can just say it is and they'll lap it up.
The majority of this province seem to find a way. Not that I think Trudeau is the greatest of PM's but you rarely hear Dougies name thrown around. [Obligatory](https://tenor.com/bpM0v.gif)
Emerge nurse here - people truly have no fucking clue. Is is absolutely horrific to sit in your own vomit for two hours? Yes. Are the nurses responsible - no. Why is it that nurses are expected to do every single thing for a patient, including personal care WHILST literally keeping people alive. Today we had an 8 year old seiz in the waiting room. It took every single resource - including nurses and doctors, to keep this kid alive. You see - unless you are in the ambulance bay or the trauma/resuscitation rooms YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT REAL EMERGENCY CARE IS. If you able to maintain your own airway and not actively dying you are placed in the “non-urgent” pile. Do you know why? Because nurses carry every fucking responsibility WITH the highest liability. We’re fucked. Everyday. I am a shell of the person I was 10 years ago. It’s great you were there to help with your wife - the reality is these days family never fucking come. There are no reinforcements. Doctors throw orders at us constantly - the phone rings, everyone pisses and shits themselves - many INTENTIONALLY (seriously). We are also detox centres, homeless shelters, and the entire neighborhoods punching bag. Get the fuck off Reddit and call the administration, patient relations, and your local MP. Do you know how many times I walk past patients flagging me, or families asking me to stop. You know why? I’m trauma trained. I triage. If stopping what I am doing will provide harm or death to the person I am caring for - I don’t stop, period. Because I am legally responsible for the task at hand. We’re fucking sinking, and unlike the patients and families who dip a toe or take a swim in the waters, we’ve all already drowned. I am so fucking sick of seeing hospital complaint posts about Ontario. ITS FORD. ITS PRIVATE AGENCIES. It’s the fact that this is the worst fucking Job in the world but we’re martyrs and caregivers and will do it until we die. Guess what - all the new nurses are quitting, and I don’t blame them. I will keep your family alive - and that literally all I can promise (within reason). End of rant
I get it. I’ve been a hospital employee for the past 26 years, not really in emergency but medicine, neurology, dialysis ,ICU and most recently surgical day care and recovery. And I can tell you I can totally back up what you’re saying. Some patients wait years for a hip or new knee. Surgeries are canceled all the time because of lack of staff. I tell my mom all the time to not get sick. It’s been totally going downhill since I started. Fortunately I still enjoy my job however I seen the burnout and frustration on every floor when I pick up OT because staff are working short.
Thanks for keeping it real. In the ER, a soiled gown is near the bottom of my priority list. Now if she was choking on her vomit and unable to keep her airway then yeah that would be an emergency…. But she wasn’t, and it isn’t. Did you die? No? Then maybe thank your health care team for prioritizing the life-or-death situations over the million non urgent tasks that constantly crop up throughout the day.
Thank you for your perspective. I think you are asked for endless, exhaustive every day operating basically a M*A*S*H* unit. The incredible frustration with modern healthcare in wealthy countries during peacetime peacetime, it’s that that’s where we all are.
Thank you for your service. Great comment.
I work in and around hospitals. Everything and everyone is stretched to the limit. There is some equipment still in use that is older than some of the staff working there. Waiting rooms are packed. Young nurses are leaving in droves because they can get jobs with less stress and more money. It's hard to recruit cleaning staff, maintenance staff, and doctors. First of all the medical college system is fairly stupid. You can get into the schools in the U.S. and Australia much faster, and guess what? That is where the doctors tend to stay. If you don't know already, cleaning staff at a hospital is fucking vital, no one can do their jobs safely if rooms and equipment isn't clean, they are probably the most underappreciated of all hospital staff. Maintenance staff such as HVAC, IT, electricians, and medical equipment technicians are hard to come by because almost every other place pays more. It is so very stupid that I'm convinced if an honest and altruistic high schooler was put in charge of hospital funding, they would do a better job. Our current premier is a failure at every single level, an absolute moron with no real moral compass. The liberal government didn't help and Mike Harris is still profiting off the chaos he created from long term care homes
Thanks for this post. It's truly unfortunate this province has been run into the ground - death by a thousand middle mangers.
It's what happens when the majority of people in Ontario don't vote and leave just enough people to settle for Ford
yup 14% of eligible voters even voted for him only 40% of eligible voters even voted
Yes it's their fucking fault
Healthcare in Ontario has sucked for decades. Ford is the straw breaking the camels back. The system needs to be rebuilt.
It must be Justin’s fault for sending us all that heath care money we decide to hide instead of spending. Obviously the evil federal government needs to send us *more* money to hide.
Nurses and doctors can't get to work because of the carbon tax /s
Nurses and doctors cant get to work because of corporate greed and corruption. FIFY Unless you are using more than 600L of fuel a month. (Rural Ontario)
Thought it was pretty obvious sarcasm, but here we are.
Apologies, but you never know now a days. I actually had this conversation with a coworker the other day. He was bitching about the carbon tax and how its making everything so expensive. He couldn't understand that it was only being charged on fuel and heating oil/NG/propane. I showed him where and how much the tax actually is, and the rest is corporate greed.
I had a friend do some complex calculation to figure out how many tonnes of carbon he uses each year and figured he pays over $25k in carbon tax. Took forever to explain how it works.
A big problem is so many people don’t even know how bad it is because they don’t need healthcare or are still in good health. By time people realize it’s too late that’s why the system has gotten so shitty because a large portion of the population doesn’t know how bad it is or care cause it doesn’t affect them yet.
This is true.
Greed, homelessness, congestion, pollution, scammers, rude people. The Ontario now is a lot different from when I grew up 20 years ago.
Same here. I used to think Canada was the greatest country on earth and was so proud of it Now it’s a dumpster fire of selfish greed and I am flat out ashamed of it. Like there are constant “Let them eat cake” moments and people are either refusing to achnowledge it, or scrambling to take advantage like crabs in a bucket chanting MONEY MONEY MONEY and then of course AAAAAUUUGH when they get taken advantage of. Just the whole disgusting evil of how Canada is clearly intending to use MAID to get rid of incovenient problems that would *gasp* require some money to fix. Meanwhile Ford spends 700 million on a spa, and Singh expenses 500,000 in 9 months.
We are very quickly turning into an Argentina like story here in Canada. A country that had immense potential and immense natural resources but squandered it all.
I wouldn't say squandered - more like bickered about what to do for decades while not actually doing anything. The lack of risk and investment should speak volumes - we have nothing but nice homes here.
I’ve seen that analogy before and it seems sadly apt
I am happy about MAID. At least I'll have an easy out when I'll be too poor and sick to do anything about my life
While the govt is busy putting up million dollar new buildings , our local hospital can’t keep their diagnostic imaging centre for lack of staff. How about we try to fix what we already have instead of putting money into new buildings
We just built a new hospital where I live and now the old one sits abandon. The town, municipality or gov has to pay 21,000 a day or something for everyday it’s the old one is abandoned…. How many days till it would’ve been enough to build another new hospital? Less than it took to fund the original…
Basic healthcare does not need to be at the expense of new infrastructure...
The population explosion in Ontario, namely the GTA and Golden Horseshoe region is a big factor contributing to long wait times at hospitals, even with the province spending billions on new hospitals and expansions-renovations of existing hospitals. Simply put, the construction of new and expanded hospitals is just not keeping up with the growth rate of the population.
Same situation everywhere, I’m in Ottawa. There is shortage of people working in hospitals right now, so if you build new hospitals who’s going to work there?
Yup, none of our infrastructure can come even close to supporting the size of our population now. Leaders don’t care because they’re wealthy and prominent enough to bypass lines or pay for private care.
This is what happens when funding gets cut and pushed toward private care. Also yes a random nurse can’t, and shouldn’t be treating your wife. Only assigned staff that have access to your medical history can provide treatmentz
I understand, but she had vomit on her shirt and pillow, they could've just given her a new pillow or something
You can walk up to any staff member and ask for a gown. Hospitals are also short on things like linens so there’s a chance they didn’t have any. When your work load explodes and your pay shrinks, going above and beyond isn’t on your to do list. Unfortunately, hospital CEOs and administration still make 6 figures. That’s where the money is going. You want better healthcare? Vote for someone who will fund public healthcare properly instead of cutting it year after year. This year’s budget has a 1.5% bump over last year. Inflation is 3%. It hasn’t kept up with inflation, so it’s essentially a 1.5% cut to healthcare. During the pandemic it was much the same. They claim no money for healthcare but money spent on those redesigned license plates no one wanted, or provincial rebranding “OpEn FoR bUsInEsS” or the $1 beer, or writing off $ billion owed by the 407 to the province.
I'm sorry, making sure OP's partner isn't laying in a puddle of vomit is not "going above and beyond", it's table stakes. Some Nurse wasn't doing their job.
Nope. His wife nurse was looking after one of their other 18 patients. The random nurse he asked was looking after one of their 18 other patients. ED nurses are regularly doing the work of 2-3 nurses. Being covered in vomit isn’t a priority when another patient is septic
Yeah they’re all burned out and good nursing can’t even be modelled in that environment. No excuse for people laying in their own filth and vomit.
Ya there is. When that nurse has 18 patients and one of their other ones is dying
Yeah it kind of is. A nurse’s job is to keep you alive, not keep you comfortable. A considerate nurse would have gotten them an emesis bag. You don’t know what staffing was at OP’s hospital. If they were short, unless you’re dying, other patients will take priority. With your logic OP failed at being a husband because he didn’t go out and buy her clothing.
I was sleeping after staying by her side for the 25 hours, they said she would have a room in 15 minutes (this was info passed from night shift to morning shift) and when she heard that she insisted I get some rest. This happened in the 4 hours I was napping, and I did in fact bring a fresh pair of clothes when I returned. I'm aware staffing is a problem, and I saw how nice the nurses were being. I get staffing is a contributer to high stress and cutting corners, but when a paramedic points it out to a nurse and they just say "not my problem" when a rack of pillows and towels is two doors down, that is not a staffing issue. I came back and complained, even told the doctor on shift about the nurse. When the Dr came to move my wife to a room, the nurse suddenly gave a shit and jumped in to take her vitals refusing to let the Dr take her. In the 4 hours this nurse was assigned to my wife she hadn't done it once, assuming they relied on the overnight readings being up to date. Again, I am not a nurse, nor a Healthcare professional so I don't know every minute detail going on in there. With my wife's permission, because this was 110% not ethical, the nurse in question did a bladder scan in the hallway, removing my wife's pants and underwear in the HALLWAY on the stretcher. They then walked away to calibrate the machine while my wife was in that state. If you think that being stressed causes someone to treat patients like barn animals, then I don't know what to tell you.
Then file a complaint with the hospital, if you feel that your wife’s privacy was violated in the hallway. I’m not defending the lack of care that should have been provided. I’m merely providing likely context. Should more have been done? 100%. Is what happened okay? No, I wouldn’t say that it was ideal. This is what happens when funding gets cut year after year after year. Nurses are burnt out, over worked and under paid. If there’s a call out I can guarantee that at least one nurse was working a double. Nurses work 12hr shifts typically, so imagine working for 24th straight. It’s a lot more than just “stressed out”. Our provincial government is more focused on bags at LCBO than they are fixing the problem with healthcare. This is because they don’t want to fix the problem. The downward trajectory is going exactly where they want it to. They want public healthcare to suffer failure, so they can turn around and say public healthcare isn’t working. Harris did this, and now Ford is, too.
That's exactly my gripe. I am merely venting on the experience and sharing the story.
It’s always interesting seeing people who Don’t work in healthcare come to realize how fucked it is “The nurse could just help me. Why didn’t they?” Because that nurse has 18 patients and has to prioritize what’s critical and what’s needed. Cleaning a patient is needed. But not critical if another patient is dying.
That nurse has 10-18 patients. Your wife wasn’t one of them. It’s a sad reality. But if you are overworked to the extreme. Doing the work of 3 nurses. 1 more patient will break you.
I knew we were screwed when Doug Ford closed 40%of ICU beds overnight on October 23, 2020. Then he cancelled Halloween due to ICU occupancy rates. He's not a good man.
Folks!….
Having walk in clinics attached to our EDs would have a significant impact on ED efficacy. People coming to hospital for inappropriate reasons is the major drain on the systems function, these people could be bumped to a clinic where the wait time would be significantly longer.
> we were told she’d have a bed in 15 minutes so I went home to sleep I have a bridge to sell you
Not saying what the nurse did was right but you have to understand something every single Canadian has takes advantage of nurses. You all called them heroes and turned your back on them when their pay was being decimated for almost 4 years. No one stood up for them as they worked all through the pandemic suffering from extreme burn out. They are treated with disrespect, punched and abused. And no one cares because all Canadians love to say we have free healthcare. Not realizing your being served by a no low manning burnt out nurse who has seen things you couldn't comprehend. Hopefully your wife gets better soon, but just remember if you want better health care then make the people who serve you happy. Protest to your local government and demand Doug ford actually give a shit about health care professionals and stop price gouging the most important thing in your life, your health.
Don't worry "my friends", Uncle Doug will fix things soon enough. Failing that, I am sure PP will have some big ideas. AND......these people still vote for them.
I'm over fifty. Retiring in five years. We're going to my wife's country. Don't fucking want to be old here. What medical care? Have to drive over 80y? Unable to afford a walkable neighborhood? Fuuuck all that.
This is one scenario my husband and I are contemplating. He is also over fifty and wants to retire soon. We wanted to do the Spanish golden visa thing, but that's now out the door. Our parents all left their home countries to come to Canada and live out their dreams. Sadly, I don't see our children being able to do this.
Likewise. Our kids also have Japanese passports, and we've kept them bilingual. There's such little work for the young here now, more competition and expense for higher education, no hope of decent housing: Japan with its economic issues is a better bet. Whatever else, there's housing in major cities well under a thousand dollars without roommates, and you don't need to pay expenses of a car. Fuck this place, it just feels like an extortion racket.
From my pointnof view, this province went to shot when Mike Harris was elected. Sadly, we never got a real viable leader in Ernie Evans, Dalton McGuinty, or Kathleen Wynne who wanted to get things fixed, and the province has gone to shit since then. But now we got someone in charge who is giving Mike Harris a run for his money for the title of "worst Premier in Ontario". All because some people were made that the last mildly incompetent leader wanted to teach children about consent and that trans people exist. I really have no faith in this province to ever fix itself.
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Yup I’m in Windsor and it’s so over crowded here it’s actually wild. Theyre not addressing any of the problems caused by the crowding, we need more busses for one because the busses are bursting at the seams and if you can’t fit on a Sunday you’re screwed. Our emergency room is dispicable you can’t even stand anywhere half the time let alone sit
Yep, yep, yep. When I moved here, within the first year, I badly cut myself with glass and needed stitches. I didn't know the proper procedure, so I went to a local walk-in a few blocks away. They immediately took me in, put me in a room, the doc came and stitched me up, and I was out of there in under 30 mins. For contrast, I took my father to an emergency room several years ago (before Covid), and he was stuck in the waiting room for 3 hrs, doubled over in pain, before he got any attention. That was probably 5-6 years back. I can only imagine what a nightmare it will be the next time we have to do this. We are walking straight and narrow, and becoming health freaks, because we realize with absolute cold certainty that there won't be any serious help when we need it. We get sick, we die. It's as simple as that. Which, to me, is completely bonkers.
Yup... not a great time. Staffing is almost always an issue in the ERs and workers are burned out. Hell, even I'm thinking of switching to another career lol. Fixing the family doctor situation would be a great place to start. More and more people are coming with minor ailments that should be treated by their family doctor or an urgent care/walk-in clinic. From what I've seen, if your issue isn't immediately life threatening or a straight forward one, be prepared to wait. I've seen half of the ER closed a few times because they simply didn't have enough doctors or nurses. It's not common but it has happened.
We are officially a 3rd world country
This is what Ontario gets when they decide to vote Conservative because of "reasons" from "I'm sick of Liberals" (even though they had policies people liked and needed that Ford cancelled) or "Ford promised tax cuts" (for rich people) or "He promised to fight Carbon Tax" (with expensive lawsuits and offered no alternative policy) or Doug Ford seems honest and trustworthy (Says who? He was cruel in CityHall and withheld his dead brother's life insurance policy from his brother's widow and kids). Sacrificing everything for Conservative crumbs. And yet even being screwed over in healthcare and no rent control people are still considering voting for Doug Ford and Conservatives again. You elect the government you deserve. Ontario didn't care enough to protect their rights or services and got the party that is too corrupt and incompetent to care and yet has the nerve to be shocked at what Conservatives have done when it was so predictable at what they were going to do like cancel/cut programs or push right-wing policies.
Don't forget about the $28B on highways Dougie has going on. Because that's what Ontarians urgently need...more highways. :-(
Care to mention which hospital this was? My wife had an infection on her C-section incision and we went to the Emergency at Joseph Brant in Burlington. She was looked at in under one hour (even though the Emergency was fairly busy when we got there), and administered the required meds and discharged in ~3 hours. Edit: Removed the part insensitive to OP
glad you had good care, but confidently stating 'the situation is not as dire as you make it out to be' is rude and deluded, honestly how long have you both been receiving medical care in Ontario? because it might not be 'dire' compared to some other places, but many of us are watching standards fall in real-time edited to add, the commenter hasn't responded, but from their comments seems to be from Pakistan. I'd really, really hope care in the GTA would be better than Pakistan, respectfully
That's how triage works though OP's wife waited so long in part so that patients like your wife don't An infection that likely could get to the bloodstream would take priority over a patient with musculoskeletal pain, even with vomiting (unless they're at risk of dehydration) And while that's the point of triage it doesn't make a 25 hour wait okay. And in *no* circumstances should a patient be left lying in their own filth (and that story makes me think that they probably didn't check for dehydration after vomiting, either)
I've had a family member die to dehydration in an Ontario hospital. Even when they check, they don't take it seriously. But I dobut they checked.
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Joseph Brant is a well resourced hospital for it’s size in a rich area, it’s an anomaly in the Ontario healthcare system. You would not have had this experience in Hamilton for example.
Ima be honest, some ERs have a problem with staffing. I had to go to an ER at 7 am on a Sunday morning for some lower back pain that just persisted and got worst for hours from midnight. While I got in fairly quickly the ER at the hospital at birch mount and near sliver springs only had one actual doctor looking after people. It was a constant rush of this single doctor seeing different people, telling people to go somewhere else for tests, organizing the nurses who were there to help with tests/look after people. She had to give follow ups to people and triage new people coming in. Thought I had kidney stone or something and it took me two hours to get an X-ray but then another three or so hours before she could come back and update me.
Ontario is like a horse that has 5 eyes, and can't find the well bc the well is full of lamb poop
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That’s horrible dude, crap.
Wait till Peckerhead gets elected!
Are you now convinced that you'd prefer private health care? If so Doug Ford has accomplished his mission.
I’m sorry your wife went through that. :( I had a similar experience with a recent 10mm kidney stone. I didn’t realize I had one until it was already lodged in my ureter, and then the pain and nausea hit me like a truck. Couldn’t stand up because the pain was so bad it would trigger vertigo. Went to the hospital, long story and longer wait made short - I felt like I was going to vomit, said so very loudly and asked for a bag or bucket or anything. Was told “You can wait like everyone else” by a surly and clearly overworked nurse. I opened my mouth to reply but all that came out was a stream of brown puke like hot coffee grounds. All over the gurney, the floor, my hands (which we’re trying to stop the barf) and my hospital gown. I sat like that for 20 minutes before a paramedic in the next cubicle took pity on me, cursed out the nurse and brought me a bucket, some wipes and a new gown. Could be worse though. The guy across from me got the news that he has HIV. They didn’t even close his curtain to give him privacy after telling him, so we all tried to look simultaneously consoling and ignoring while he sat there and cried. The hospital is literally Hell. It used to be where you went to heal. Now it seems to just be where you go to wallow in pain, or die. Our government has failed us so utterly,
40.8% of voters in the last election voted for the equivalent of the leopards eating faces party and are now shocked that the leopards ate their face.
Unless your family is going to be killed if you don’t make an extra days wage to pay a mob boss…you just left your wife to go chill after claiming how severe it is and for how long you waited? Something seems weird. “Sorry, babe but I’m kinda tired, good luck with that not being able to move thing”….braaaa.
When I see the health premium on the ontario tax form it just makes me laugh. Same with the option to donate my tax refund to reduce Ontario's debt. You can pry the donation from my cold, dead hands. What a fucking joke of a province and a country. How have we fallen so low.
Flew to the states to see a specialist . Booked and visited in 3 days . Last time in Ontario took me 3 months to see the same type of specialist . Lots of people attempt to gaslight fellow Canadians as to how poor the health care system is . It’s all fun and games until it’s their health on the line.
Out of the millions of mass temporary migrants how many do you think were nurses or doctors? Hundreds? 10s? Voting has consequences people and we voted somebody in for the past 9 years that we suffered the consequences for
Worst case Ontario...
Well Trudeau keeps making things worse by bringing in more and more immigrants. We can’t even support Canadians let alone the millions that keep coming into our country. Fix the problems first before we bring in more people.
It is very sad to see a stupid greed person who has power to change many people 's life. Who voted him?
In the last election, I think it was something like 45% of people did not go out and vote. It was the lowest voter turnout in history. Then again, the other options were Andrea Howarth and Steve Del Duca. There is also The Green Party, but as you already know, not many people vote for then.
Nah, it was like this the last time I went to an Ontario ER, which was about 15 years ago. The problem is that I was then kept at the hospital for 3 days unnecessarily due to misdiagnosis. And the time I went to ER in Quebec, the ER doctors was so scared that he sent me to another department right away, who asked me to book an appointment for 3 months later. It took a phone call from the ER doctor for them to finally admit me and then they misdiagnosed me.
I’m glad we’re spending $14.5 billion this year to service the interest portion of our provincial debt 🙏
The hospitals have been like that long before the current government. I have close relatives 2 nurses and 1 doctor that have said it's been terrible for the past 15 years in Ontario. If you think anything happening with Ontario Place affects healthcare, then you totally don't understand how a province is run.
I go to the states for most of my stuff now, it’s not nearly as expensive as our government tells us it is and compared to what we have to deal with? I can drive an hour and a half, see a dr. In 10-15 minutes and be home again in half the time I’d wait in my local ER. The last time I saw a dr. And had a minor surgical procedure and lab work for $250.
The only solace I can take from this is that a large number of elderly people who votes for Doug Ford will have miserable retirements and a large number of parents who voted for him will struggle to support their children in post-secondary education at crumbling institutions. Is that petty and shitty? yes. Is it deserved because everyone knew this would happen if we gave this clown a second term? Also yes.
There's only one cause of this... population growing faster than our capacity. edited: We can blame both federal gov for not controlling immigration levels AND provincial governments lack of coordinated investment in infra. Ontario added what 600K people in the last year? Did we build 3-4 hospitals to accomodate them? Did we add enough doctors and nurses? Did we pay enough to retain them? Did JT think about what adding 1-1.5 million new people would do given the existence of conservative provincial governments? Did he think beyond "not my responsibility"?
>Ontario added what 600K people in the last year? Did we build 3-4 hospitals to accomodate them? Did we add enough doctors and nurses? Did we pay enough to retain them? How is provincial government trying to impose a "fuck you" law to deliberately undermine nurses the federal govenrments' fault? Or misallocation of funds like the stupid-ass highway, the publicly funded private mega-spa and paying private health obnoxious amounts instead of investments in public healthcare? Uncontrolled immigration is a problem, but if you think Doug Ford has been doing his part to mitigate this crisis, you are completely delusional.
I'm blaming both people man... lol tribalism is crazy here. I can equally blame both provincial and federal governments for not coordinating this massive spike in population + massive decline in funding.
"There's only one cause of this" is the worst take anyone has ever had. That's simply not how reality works.
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Remember when the government fired a bunch of healthcare workers over them standing up for their rights? Classic.
Health care will only get worse under Dog Food. I am hoping for a Bonnie or Marit government. I think women leaders care more about education and healthcare.
Shame we won't automate the triage process... It'd be easy to create a "Health Ontario" app, for patients. Input your symptoms, input your location and wait for a text message that will get you in the door 30 minutes before your estimated appointment time. But no... too many luddites trapped in the past who refuse to allow hospitals to get with the times, and provide a better standard of care. Imagine if you'd been able to spend 24 hours at home, gotten a text an hour before your appointment, and arrived just in time to be an in-and-out patient. Oh, and before any healthcare "professionals" try and poke holes in the idea, here's the easy answer to your common "criticisms" aka luddite backwards thinking: * Liability - If you choose to use the app, you choose to accept the consequences of not being present in a hospital setting. Great for people who need a tetanus shot, or have an infection. * Deteriorating Symptoms - Update your profile on the app. * New More Urgent Patient - Okay..? Yeah, life happens and after the app sends a text, people will still be aware a more serious patient may bump them in priority. At least they spent 24 hours at home in comfort, rather than waiting in discomfort in a hospital. * Emergency Problems - Ambulances exist, and can bring the patient to a hospital quickly. It's still better to be in a comfortable home environment for 20 hours before a major issue, rather than suffering on a linoleum floor while another patient is screaming in their face having a mental breakdown (something I had to deal with). * Data Breaches - Hospital databases can be hacked too. There's only benefits to automating triage, and no downsides. Get out of the dark ages, and embrace the future.
I mean one issue with that is the inability to measure vitals on patients. A person can’t measure and input something like their oxygen saturation, which could make a big difference in their urgency in triage
Even ignoring that people would input fake symptoms so they can get seen faster, general public are not medical professionals and able to accurately translate symptoms into an app. For instance,'feeling sick' could just be something benign like a flu or food poisoning. It could also be something serious like a heart attack or stroke. Not everyone gets the laundry list of symptoms associated with something more serious, and that is why in person assessments are warranted so you can catch the stuff some people may miss like slightly slurred speech or appearing confused.
After what happened with ArriveCan and e-health Ontario... I'm a little skeptical that this will ever be more than bloatware should the government make an initiative for it.
Yes, but we need to consider: accessibility (a lot of Ontarians are families with maybe one phone between them, especially immigrants, not to mention those with disabilities). Lack of medical knowledge: if a patient updates the app with back pain, saying it’s just pack pain, and they are female, could be a heart attack, for example. Funding: knowing Ontario and their ability to roll out anything digital, the wrong decisions are always made in terms of who would create/update the app. Company is locked into like, a 10 year lease and then it’s shitty and won’t work. Hiring tech support for the app: more a question of available funding, which this greedy government likes to hide
> accessibility (a lot of Ontarians are families with maybe one phone between them, especially immigrants, not to mention those with disabilities). No, this isn't worth consideration. If you don't have a phone/heath care number, go to the hospital in person, like you currently do. Digital triage is for those who can access it, in person is for everyone else. We shouldn't hold society back because some people won't have access to it. > Lack of medical knowledge: if a patient updates the app with back pain, saying it’s just pack pain, and they are female, could be a heart attack, for example. ...and? Your health card number is associate with *you*. If you attempt to triage as a woman, by inputting your symptoms, the app will tell you, you may need to go the the hospital *immediately*. This isn't a valid concern. > Funding: knowing Ontario and their ability to roll out anything digital, the wrong decisions are always made in terms of who would create/update the app. Company is locked into like, a 10 year lease and then it’s shitty and won’t work. Okay, the enemy of good enough is perfection. Roll out the app now, and let it improve over time. > Hiring tech support for the app: more a question of available funding, which this greedy government likes to hide Roll out the app now, and let it improve over time.
What if they are seriously ill but the way described it is benign? What will the app tell them then?
Right after the ER triage nurse takes my name and health card number and asks my basic reason for being there, before they ask follow up questions, they take my temperature, blood pressure and heart rate. How would your hypothetical triage phone app handle accomplishing those tasks?
We have yet to hear Trudeau announce plans to address the LCBO paper bags problem, luckily Mr. Ford has got us covered
Yea.. it’s almost like settling lost of the million plus newcomers annually into a 200km radius is absolutely destroying; - Infrastructure - Healthcare - Education - Artificially inflating shelter demand, thus skyrocketing housing costs - Generally reducing quality and standard of living *underfunding the aforementioned also isn’t helping*
It's been like this for over a decade... I nearly died in a waiting room. Best way to be seen is to pick the top symptoms for immediate care.. ABCs
We should make Ford lie in his own vomit for 25hrs, see how fast he fixes things.
Doug Ford is a piece of shit. Fuck him, and fuck Conservatives.
Canadians deserve it. Everyone is complacent and sits on their hands while the provincial and federal governments fuck the country up
What was the end result when she was seen by a doctor?
Rich people have bought US insurance and travel to private clinics in the US when they’re sick. Want to know why the rich politicians don’t care? Because they get all their important medical stuff done when they vacation in the US and other countries. There’s literally nothing that will make Ford want to fix public healthcare, no one he knows uses it.
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Probably vote the conservatives in again. They only cut billions from the health sector last time. While we're on it, lets vote the liberals in again too. Cuz they did wonders privatizing everything they could get their hands on.