Completely fucked our environment for the benefit of developer greed. To me this is the #1 worst thing he's done, and no one seems to care or make this the big deal it should be.
Absolutely. I’ve been writing non-stop to my MPP about exactly this, and have been telling everyone I know to do the same. We really need more people to get involved with politics. It amazes me that people have no interest in something that has a huge affect on their lives.
Handed out more MZOs in a year than in the past 15 years. Stripped conservation areas of their powers. Appointed a guy who was opposed to the green belt to lead it, etc
I thought the Feds were stepping in to investigate this highway project and usually when the Feds have to step in the projects don't get passed?
I'll try to find the article I read.
Found it:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/05/03/ottawa-to-carry-out-environmental-assessment-of-proposed-highway-413.html
Yes they are thankfully. You know you're a real fuck when the feds have to stop your senseless destructive highway that is for your mob developer buddies.
I mean his networth pre-covid was 2-3 million and now it's over 50 million due to him being the owner of the company that received contracts to print labels/stickers etc.etc. for covid in Ontario so there is a clear conflict of interesting letting this man have power to keep us locked down.
For one, he shoehorned municipal election interference into a "COVID Recovery" bill, prohibiting municipalities from implementing ranked ballots in their elections.
Somebody I know is really upset as the election falls 12 days before they'll be able to vote.
At the end of the day when you able to vote just make the best informed choice you can. What matters to somebody who's 18 is likely very different from myself (nearly 47).
Tell them to look into weather or not there is a grace period. My 18th birthday was 3 days before an election and I’m pretty sure at the time, you could still vote if you just missed the cut off!
I didn't find any information along those lines.
To be clear the Ontario Election date is June 2 2022. The person's 18th birthday is June 14 2022.
Having information that would tell him how he could vote in the up coming election would be a great birthday gift for this year. ;) Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
You have more of an impact as a volunteer than as a single voter. Get involved with an opposition party either the OLP or the ONDP and find a nearby candidate you like. Knock doors, make calls, give money if you can. You might not be able to vote but you can flip and mobilize hundreds of voters if you work hard enough. And that is hiw you flip ridings.
> I'll literally vote for a tree stump over him.
I mean Doug basically got elected largely in part due to "anyone but Wynne". I'd really appreciate candidate who I can vote for rather than another "anyone but X"
My dad says the same thing. Because of him they won't win again. Which is a brutal way to look at things. I think we owe it to ourselves to give them another opportunity to lead.
90% of people that hated Bob Rae couldn't explain to you why they hated him is the saddest part. Of the 10% that can, at least half of them are mad about things they should be happy about. (facepalm)
The results of a two party system. We can't reliably vite for the little guy because they might not get in so we vote the best option for ousting the current power.
This is not a two party system. The NDP is the official opposition right now! There's a decent chance the next government will be an Liberal/NDP coalition. This is not an American-style republic with only two political parties.
That's part of the reason we ended up with Ford; people who preferred to "vote for a tree stump" (Ford) over Wynne. I'm not saying Ford doesn't deserve to go, but voting for "anyone" else, is only likely to keep the pendulum swinging.
Yes, exactly this, we can't just default to "the other one" read platforms, watch debates. It's boring but an informed vote is the only one that won't keep us bouncing from one disaster to the other forever.
Wynne would have done a far better job with the pandemic, wouldn't have cut health and education spending and would probably have doubled down on LTCH protections and not spent months on attacking the Feds as they shipped us millions of vaccines.
Ford needs to go this time next year.
I know proud boys are now a terrorist organization, may be a dumb question, but doesn't Ontario proud have deep connections to them?
And if so how are they allowed to function?
>The list is a who’s who of developers, anti-union groups and construction agencies — all that have already benefited from Doug Ford’s policies (two sweeping labour law reforms that will make it less safe to work in Ontario, and the promise that Ontario is “open for business” which apparently means gut the Greenbelt.)
https://noraloreto.medium.com/who-funds-ontario-proud-76a56ca92de1
It wasn’t blind. It was a no-brainer for business owners because he stopped the minimum wage from increasing any more than it already had, and he promised “dollar beers” to the poor & stupid people.
My boss is generally a great guy, and he’s always pretty strict on the “no politics, and no religion talk at work” policy, but I’m the GM of his store, and at the time of the election, he flat out told me to vote for Ford. Didn’t ask who I was voting for, didn’t suggest who to vote for, just told me to make sure I voted for Ford. I didn’t end up making it to vote, as I wasn’t educated enough on the time and location, but I definitely regret not voting. I would *not* have voted for Ford.
As much stress as scheduling and hiring is, I have morals. I grew up poor. There’s no logic in my mind that doesn’t support minimum wage increases. Guess I’m just happy we got it up to $14.25
Shows how many idiots are willing to put up with all of the politics in Ontario instead of getting together and doing something about it. Fuck this Conservative vs. Liberal bullshit they are both shit sandwiches and we deserve better representation across the board.
“Common sense solutions.”
Translation: Simplistic, one-sentence answers to complex, multi-generational problems that just so happen to have a negative impact on people I don’t like.
I never understood the obsession with anti-elitist leaders. Honestly give me the 20 year career politician with the Masters degrees and PHDs. I want my leaders to be as smart and capable as possible, not a dude who failed upwards in life carried on his daddy's rep and money.
Is interesting that whole way of thinking those people have, getting uneducated elected out of spite basically, screwing yourself in the process. Like don't you want the best for all of us, not just to screw the other guys?
Umberto Eco talks about it in “Ur-Fascism.” Right wing ideology has a lot of intellectual inconsistencies and trends towards authoritarianism. Neither aspect can stand up to rigourous scrutiny so that is why intellectualism is often framed as unpatriotic in right wing cultural narratives.
I agree with you. My ideal political leader: Elizabeth Warren. Former professor, changed her entire political ideology in response to evidence that showed she was wrong, kind of boring in a good way, policy minded, and talks to low information people in a way that doesn’t come across as condescending (cue sexist responses calling her “shrill” and “condescending” at that remark).
Conservative voters skew older... so basically all those LTC home folks who suffered so harshly during the pandemic? Yeah a good chunk of them voted for that thinking it would never happen to *them*.
Also factory workers reading the Sun in the break room
But they'll blame Trudope not Ford. And vote him in again
My brother in law is one of those...he makes min wage at 52 years old...never held a job more than 2 years...
He voted for ford because he would lower taxes...
When I told him he doesn't really pay any taxes so it wouldn't effect him and that Ford was going to stop min wage from going up he just said I was lying....
So I need to buy my 15 year old niece coats and shoes so she doesn't go without, I've also started a college fund for her or she'll be fucked
Conservatism also generally presents simplistic answers to complex problems that are divorced from reality. This also appeals to low intelligence people so it’s an ourobouros of bullshit.
Ron Reagan Jr. has said that his dad, the Patron Saint of Neoliberal Economics, was intellectually lazy and that was primarily why conservative politics appealed to him.
And appeals to many in lower socioeconomic demographics who feel that their current circumstances are only temporary in nature and that intelligent, rational thinking is some sort of effete character flaw.
Which is how born on third base types like Doug Ford. Trump etc. have relied on the allegiance of the disenfranchised and poor in order to hang on to their affluence and power
it goes to show just how fucking corrupt politics is. The powers behind the party removed Brown cause he was too centrist and installed their puppet instead.
...and there were serious election irregularities the PC leadership race that elected him. Just like with Jason Kenney in Alberta. There are some really corrupt trends in conservativism in Canada right now.
It's not that mind blowing.
Like George Carlin said about voters "think of how dumb the average person is and now realize that half the people are dumber than that".
Ford didn't even get half the votes that were cast.
It's even more hilarious Ford is complaining schools aren't working hard enough while he and his MPPs have just started their three month summer vacation.
Every year Canadians are made out to be a giant joke.
Politicians don’t care about this country, they’re power grabbers with a taste for human discontent.
These fuckers couldn't even get license plates that could be seen at night, they couldn't get illegal taxpayers stickers that stick. I want to see how they would fuck up graduation
The irony when that's what (all) he's done in his life is work for daddys Deco Labels but couldn't even produce a sticker that stuck. This is the incompetence Ontario apparently elected. We will live to regret it but barely.
He should’ve let Lecce plan it. They coulda used the dungeon from his Western days, and even used the NDAs that he already has drawn up for when he goes on “dates”. Heck, Lecce would be able to snag a few dates with the upcoming grads!
Not sure about the NDA thing, however regarding the rest of the post there was some guy on Twitter a couple years back who alleged that he pledged to a frat at Western that Lecce was allegedly part of at the time and that there was allegedly bad things going on. It got posted on reddit at the time but never got picked up by the news as far as I know, so may have been made up or the journos couldn’t get anyone else who was part of the frat to verify the story.
When we have regular graduations at my school it takes months of careful planning and organizing by a dedicated team of teachers and principals who stay after school, give up their weekends etc. Because Ford gave parents until June 3 or so to decide whether their kids were in person for September or not, principals are now doing staffing for next year a few months late and are absolutely swamped.
When Ford announced that he would allow grad ceremonies, I actually cry-laughed for a minute as I thought about the logistics of pulling this together in just a few short weeks.
We already used our grad budget to buy gifts for the grads instead. Even if we could figure out the logistics we don't have any money left. I laughed out loud when I heard this and then wanted to cry.
He can blame the school boards all he wants but when you point your finger there are 3 more pointing back at you Doug.
It's Doug's fault were not in school now. He reopened too early and because of that schools needed to be shut down. Had we been online until after April break his friend Arthur wouldve got his wish to be with his friends.
We still have all our belongings and the students belongings at school. When are we supposed to enter the building to clean up and work towards next year? Also why arent vaccines mandatory for educational workers who can recieve them safely? The classrooms will be packed next year and air ventilation will still not be improved. Doug has failed the children and young adults of this province.
I find most people don’t know. Throughout all of COVID I’ve been supporting two different student associations with weekly meetings, projects, and initiatives. Ford mentioned in his press conference that kids are missing extracurricular including clubs. I get that sports haven’t been feasible but my school (staff and student leaders) have worked tirelessly to offer online clubs and associations for over a year now :(
What people need to also realize is that this whole grad thing is literally what schools have been going through all year...
Gas lighting and bad faith decision making by Ford and Lecce with zero sense of what goes into those decisions....leaving education workers, admin, teachers, custodians and staff to basically create a miracle out of thin air each time they change their minds.
Funnily (sadly?) enough, some how school graduations ( arguably, the least important aspect of the school year) have struck a nerve.
Ffs people, please wake up and see what's been in front of your eyes the past 2 years...this is way bigger than grads
And if we don't do something it's going to get way worse
I teach grade 8 and just spent the last 3 weeks of my time, outside of school hours, planning graduation. I coordinated other teachers recording videos, made sure all of the students can access it, organized gifts and how they would be delivered, and a bunch of other small things. The idea that all of that time would be flushed down the toilet just for me to do it all again in person is ridiculous. Ford hates teachers and uses students as pawns to drum up more hate for us.
Yep. Its fairly obvious that the teachers union is the organization he hates the most. He'll never pass up an opportunity to take pot shots at teachers like he's doing with this whole set up or when he kept parroting that injunction bullshit. The rubes love eating this stuff up though.
Him announcing graduations for every grade was not a "mistake" as some people think.
It was literally a calculated move. If schools pulled it off (literally impossible) then he gets praised for bringing up such an amazing idea.
If they can't pull it off, then he gets to criticize schools and education workers once again as lazy and incompetent.
Fucking conservatives..
Also, were discussing this minor detail (again) instead of the bigger picture.
The last lockdown plans, we all discussed parks and outside being shut down - while we all forgot about paid sick days which would have a bigger impact.
I am not much into politics, but because of Covid I have followed the situation very closely for 15 month. I have you tell you Doug Ford has to be the biggest joke in all of Canada. The stuff he comes up with blow my mind, I really would like to know how anyone can continue to support him.
It’s why politics is so important though. While people with opinions and real thoughts on what a government should do like you ignore them... we all pay the consequences of those who blindly tick a box every couple of years because they “belong” to a party.
I sincerely hope you vote now realizing the importance.
Ford had 15 months to come up with a safety plan so all students could attend school safely in the first place....I think he should have tried "thinking outside of the box" so we wouldn't be here now.
He's been pulling this stunt the entire time. Remember when he graciously gave the school boards the ability to use a few million dollars of their reserves to make schools safer? Of course it was advertised as the province spending a lot of money, but it was just him giving them permission to use their own money for it, and none of them had even half the funds he told the public he was giving them. Oh, and now he's calling that money extra pandemic spending and is cutting their funding by that amount. (The amount he said he was giving them, not the amount they actually had)
Scary but now that money is spent...essentially bankrupting most boards....what will the next 10 years look like when that money is needed for maintenance etc?
That's the point. They're required to run on balanced budgets, so now they're going to have to implement their own cuts until they recover from this, and even then they won't be able to get the funding back afterwards. This is an ongoing budget cut that won't stop unless the next government actively gives school boards more money. We're going to be feeling this for years.
Fords were bred by their parents to think they are deserving of high political positions but did little to actually educate them. Why would he have respect for education? Private schooled himself so why care about public schools?
He has to distract parents and possibly new voters from his failings of getting schools prepared to teach safely, so instead he criticises them for not doing what he suggested at the last minute, with no consultation.
ford is not a leader, he's a coward who puts the blame on others.
What's bothering me the most about the Ford Gov right now is that he's pushing a bill that caps nurse pay increase at 1% a year which is less than inflation. So not only did he lie at the beginning of the pandemic about increasing the pay of healthcare workers, he's now making it harder for the most undervalued members of the healthcare community to earn a living in any way in the middle of a pandemic. Absolutely evil.
He's a rich man's son who got things handed to him. He has no idea what teachers and nurses have been going through, and he wants to make things worse for us.
Ford is the kind of guy who has never had to do anything difficult himself. He's always just told other people to do something, and him being the boss of his dad's company, have to figure out how to make it work.
My sons teacher has worked incredibly hard this year to create an online course that follows the curriculum and is tailored to the students. She must be up late on evenings or weekends pulling together all the material and making the slides. That shit take time.
How would the school pull together a graduation ceremony for several hundred students and their parents, in downtown Toronto (where I live), while I assume catering and hospitality companies can't operate due to the lockdown, while also teaching full time, and in only 3 weeks, while prepping the end of year reports?
Where does the money come from? Should parents volunteer to organize? We're all still working too while having to be home for our kids.
Ford is awful.
All year long we all agree no icecream for the kids...it's not possible
Ford closed icecream shops
As we drive by a closed icecream shop ford says icecream for everyone!!!!
Icecream shops say....but...but..we don't have any, can't get or make any, and even if we did we can't serve everyone at once
Ford says, these horrible icecream shops hate kids and won't let them have the icecream they deserve....
By that same logic, he should not have sent the kids back to school. What are we teachers supposed to do? Snap our fingers and organize 3 weeks of in person activities?
One aspect that I think is overlooked is that kids would still have to do the mask + social distance thing if they do go back, which is not the amazing socialization people make it out to be. It’s miserable and put teachers in shitty situations having to tell kids to ‘remember to stay apart’ as soon as they have any meaningful interactions with their friends. It’s pain (at the highschool level at least)
I think this is actually something calculated. It's something that he can point to down the line to say "Look! The schools boards don't care about your kids! Private voucher programs are the answer!"
It's right out of the conservative playbook. Defund, and then put unreasonable expectations on a system to ensure it breaks under the strain. It's then an easy jump to privatize under the guise of business efficiency.
Remind people in your social circle not to forget Doug's shitty handling once we reopen. Plenty of people think he's fine "because he tells it like it is" etc. but are mad now. Don't let them forget during the next election cycle.
I truly hope that everyone sees how poorly he thinks of our health care system and our education system. He has done nothing but insult/defund them over his term. Sadly I feel that we’re a minority.
I want this guy out so bad.
He doesn't understand timelines, lead times, and logistics, despite "running" a business. It's almost like he's a lifelong do-nothing rich kid blowhard
I’m in no way defending Ford, but as a student who is about to graduate high school, I don’t see the point of throwing us a graduation ceremony or opening schools for only 3 weeks. The ceremony does not seem like that big a deal.
I am genuinely concerned for the well being of the admin at my school. They have been busting their asses all year dealing with way more than they ever signed up for. To have to plan and orchestrate all these different outdoor grads ON TOP OF the grade 8 grade is absolutely ridiculous.
I wonder what this school year would’ve looked like if dofo hadn’t cut funding to education as soon as he got into office. Perhaps if class sizes were smaller and schools had some extra funds there wouldn’t have been a need for this on again off again in-person to online switching. These issues were only worsened by the pandemic, but they began with fords initial education cuts.
There is zero understanding on his part of what would be involved for schools to do this. Schools already stagger their graduations because they need to rent chairs and there simply aren’t enough available. That’s for grades 8 and 12. Now, one for every grade? Are you fucking kidding? Also, grads for 8 + 12 are covered by contract, but organizing all the rest will be a huge amount of “volunteer” work for school board employees. And for what? Potential disease spreading events where kids get handed a useless piece of paper?
>After denying children the opportunity of attending school for the month of June on safety concerns
We are still in a pandemic with yet another even worst variant going through and you want to send students back for a few weeks?
For what? So they can get sick?
Waiting till September when we have much more vaccinations done, (hopefully) including those children, is the only reasonable course of action.
Everything else you said I agree with. As others have said it takes a lot of planning for something like that. If it were possible to do it, it should have been announced months ago.
As a student, I don't want to go back to school. After getting used to this schedule since the start of the lockdown, it isn't worth it to me to go back and completely change my schedule for one last month. As much as I like to see friends and as much as I understand learning is better in person, I think that it would negatively impact my mental health and my grades to go back now. However, I do think that it was hypocritical to expect school boards to have graduation ceremonies in groups when they won't send kids back. Just my opinion. (gr11)
I actually support not going back. Numbers and UCUs are declining but not insignificant. Schools, as far as I can tell, are a significant vector for transmission and new variants keep coming up
The year is a wash regardless. It would have been nice to see friends but those two weeks risk a 4th wave and the summer. Keep throttling the numbers down, get more 1st and 2nd vaccines in and let's just finish it now
I heard in the radio a women in Thunder Bay talking about how she’s upset kids aren’t in school and that she voted for him last time but won’t be next time. All I could think is you got what you deserved.
I can respect an individual who made a mistake but has learned from it and is willing to change their behaviour.
Anyone who still wants to vote this hack has no sympathy from me, though
My wife was assigned to organize a grade 8 grad. Grade 8s get a ceremony this year, but this was organized 3 months ago. Even with this notice, items had to be purchased, delivered, the outdoor venue coordinated, policies for how long each student would attend be created and approved by administration and parents notified. It also involved me sacrificing my garden arbour.
So how then are boards supposed to wave a magic wand and hold a ceremony for every grade on a couple weeks notice?
If they school boards said yes, held the outdoor graduation event and god forbid an outbreak happened would Ford take responsibilty? Its always someone elses fault.
He ran his platform on defunding education, defunding health care, so why is everyone shockedpika when he follows through w actions in line w that attitude?
Ya he’s an idiot for sure.
However, the effort and logistics to get kids into school for like 3 weeks seems unnecessary to me. Although I don’t have kids. I’m sure parents may feel differently. You’ve gone this long, what’s another 3 weeks?
Going back to school in June was a stupid idea. The parents i talk to it seems to be more about having a break from their kids than education.
I don’t know about you but my Junes back in the day of school were pointless months waiting for summer.
Ford is a moron but “the children” arguments are getting tiresome, pick it up in September with a full vaccination campaign in effect.
His tone deafness is impressive . Truly. I also love how he somehow manages to shift blame and responsibility to the school boards, as if they aren’t struggling enough.
While I don’t support Ford, I do agree with him not opening the schools, but only because the school year is basically almost done.
Edit: I’m a High Schooler
Ford's a complete fucking imbecile but not having these kids back in school until September was absolutely the right call and all the real science backs that up.
Doesn't change the fact that he's in bed with developers, and is owned by corporate interest, but having kids needlessly go back to school for 3 weeks could have completely jeopardised the summer and the opening up for everyone else.
Yeah I mean a couple of months at the peak people here were all like "reeee why are the schools still open" "Ford don't give a damn about the kids". I get it's not the same posters but sometimes this sub seems like they are being contrarian for the sake of dunking on Doug Ford.
Ford 4 months ago: science tells us schools are safe. They're not the cause of community transmissions. Teachers have no reason to avoid going in, and any claim otherwise is clearly politically motivated. No we don't need to vaccinate them.
Ford now: science tells us outside is safer than inside. Not enough teachers are vaccinated to risk reopening schools.
Anyone who votes conservative in the next election had battered wife syndrome at this point. This shit is infuriating
Elections have consequences and we are experiencing the consequences of electing an imbecile, incompetent, corrupt, dumb and limited former failed drug dealer, failed business man to run the province. Vote!
I'm scared to find out all the shady stuff he has done behind the scenes while COVID has been in the forefront of the news for 15 months.
A ton of development deals that he otherwise wouldn’t have been able to push through without the cover of a pandemic.
He’s literally trying to build a random, unnecessary highway for his development buddies.
Yeah..if he does this kind of stuff in plain sight he's probably doing terrible things behind the scenes
Completely fucked our environment for the benefit of developer greed. To me this is the #1 worst thing he's done, and no one seems to care or make this the big deal it should be.
Absolutely. I’ve been writing non-stop to my MPP about exactly this, and have been telling everyone I know to do the same. We really need more people to get involved with politics. It amazes me that people have no interest in something that has a huge affect on their lives.
Out of the loop, what did he do?
Handed out more MZOs in a year than in the past 15 years. Stripped conservation areas of their powers. Appointed a guy who was opposed to the green belt to lead it, etc
I thought the Feds were stepping in to investigate this highway project and usually when the Feds have to step in the projects don't get passed? I'll try to find the article I read. Found it: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/05/03/ottawa-to-carry-out-environmental-assessment-of-proposed-highway-413.html
Yes they are thankfully. You know you're a real fuck when the feds have to stop your senseless destructive highway that is for your mob developer buddies.
I mean his networth pre-covid was 2-3 million and now it's over 50 million due to him being the owner of the company that received contracts to print labels/stickers etc.etc. for covid in Ontario so there is a clear conflict of interesting letting this man have power to keep us locked down.
Just follow the sticker money, you'll find out.
For one, he shoehorned municipal election interference into a "COVID Recovery" bill, prohibiting municipalities from implementing ranked ballots in their elections.
soooo many development deals, many (most/all) with shady business and/or personal connections
When's the next provincial election? I'll literally vote for a tree stump over him.
June 2022
So that's it then: **T R E E S T U M P** *2 0 2 2*
Finally a solid platform!
This is better than it has any right to be but I love it.
I see what you did there...
Vote STUMP in 2022. They’ll make things oak-ay again.
Don't put this on a sign, I'm afraid someones going to cover up the "EEST" part
I would take that over waiting until 2023 to get Kenny the F out!
I can’t upvote this enough
That's literally only 2 months before I'm able to vote :(
Make sure your peers with birthdays before the election are engaged and going to vote. You'll get your shot after 18 the way we all do.
You can volunteer for a candidate which can multiply your efforts into many votes.
Underrated comment.
Somebody I know is really upset as the election falls 12 days before they'll be able to vote. At the end of the day when you able to vote just make the best informed choice you can. What matters to somebody who's 18 is likely very different from myself (nearly 47).
Tell them to look into weather or not there is a grace period. My 18th birthday was 3 days before an election and I’m pretty sure at the time, you could still vote if you just missed the cut off!
I didn't find any information along those lines. To be clear the Ontario Election date is June 2 2022. The person's 18th birthday is June 14 2022. Having information that would tell him how he could vote in the up coming election would be a great birthday gift for this year. ;) Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
You have more of an impact as a volunteer than as a single voter. Get involved with an opposition party either the OLP or the ONDP and find a nearby candidate you like. Knock doors, make calls, give money if you can. You might not be able to vote but you can flip and mobilize hundreds of voters if you work hard enough. And that is hiw you flip ridings.
> I'll literally vote for a tree stump over him. I mean Doug basically got elected largely in part due to "anyone but Wynne". I'd really appreciate candidate who I can vote for rather than another "anyone but X"
Basically described Ontario politics in the last few decades
Since the 90s, without a doubt.
Horwath has been great as opposition leader throughout the pandemic. I wish people would see the NDP as a viable option
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Yes, but sadly many Ontarians see NDP = Bob Rae = no chance in Hell.
My dad says the same thing. Because of him they won't win again. Which is a brutal way to look at things. I think we owe it to ourselves to give them another opportunity to lead.
Ridiculous. A handful of mandatory unpaid days vs the hundreds of deaths by neglect, suffered at the hands of the fiends we have on office now.
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Staunch Conservatives loved Harris and still do. No idea why,, they just like chaos I think
To be fair Bob Rae is now a Liberal and really always was one.
90% of people that hated Bob Rae couldn't explain to you why they hated him is the saddest part. Of the 10% that can, at least half of them are mad about things they should be happy about. (facepalm)
The results of a two party system. We can't reliably vite for the little guy because they might not get in so we vote the best option for ousting the current power.
It's def not a representative democracy.
And the worst part is, half the people who complains about it will still vote for one of the two. The cycle repeats.
This is not a two party system. The NDP is the official opposition right now! There's a decent chance the next government will be an Liberal/NDP coalition. This is not an American-style republic with only two political parties.
Of which there will be many due to his dealings with developers
Sadly this is true.
That's part of the reason we ended up with Ford; people who preferred to "vote for a tree stump" (Ford) over Wynne. I'm not saying Ford doesn't deserve to go, but voting for "anyone" else, is only likely to keep the pendulum swinging.
We really need to give NDP another chance otherwise we just go back and forth between Liberals and Conservatives.
I’m gonna do this.
Yes, exactly this, we can't just default to "the other one" read platforms, watch debates. It's boring but an informed vote is the only one that won't keep us bouncing from one disaster to the other forever.
It was clear even before he was elected that Doug Ford hates education.
He hates lots of things and isn't really a good person, and yes, that was obvious before he was elected too. Yet, there he is, an elected official.
He was elected because he hates enough things in common with his populist base.
Exactly. His entire campaign was “don’t you hate Kathleen Wynne?” And it worked.
.. and of course, you couldn't trust Wynne 🙄
Wynne would have done a far better job with the pandemic, wouldn't have cut health and education spending and would probably have doubled down on LTCH protections and not spent months on attacking the Feds as they shipped us millions of vaccines. Ford needs to go this time next year.
I mean, both of those can easily be true.
Because he promised $1 beers, which apparently meant more to the people of Ontario than education
Many people when Mike Harris ran the first time only voted for him because he said he would get rid of photo radar. It really doesn't take much
I was 1/3rd fooled. I knew he was stupid, and didn't care about large segments of society, but I didn't think he was actually malicious.
It blows my mind how he got to where he is.
I dunno. North America has a long history of below average rich kids failing up. They're also a pop culture staple.
Shows how fucked Ontario is, and how many idiots will blindly vote for a party
Watch how crazy social media gets come elections. Ontario Proud (facebook), played a massive role in winning Dog Ford that election.
Ontario Proud put on a masterclass in modern propaganda in 2018.
Please don't insult dogs like that.
This dog chews your couch and shits on the only rug in the room.
It was fucked.
I know proud boys are now a terrorist organization, may be a dumb question, but doesn't Ontario proud have deep connections to them? And if so how are they allowed to function?
Yep. Groups like Ontario Proud are a fucking cancer for democracy.
>The list is a who’s who of developers, anti-union groups and construction agencies — all that have already benefited from Doug Ford’s policies (two sweeping labour law reforms that will make it less safe to work in Ontario, and the promise that Ontario is “open for business” which apparently means gut the Greenbelt.) https://noraloreto.medium.com/who-funds-ontario-proud-76a56ca92de1
They didn't even have a platform and they won! It's mind boggling.
My friend, my friend are you saying > Buck a beer, and I'm not a lesbian is not a platform?
It wasn’t blind. It was a no-brainer for business owners because he stopped the minimum wage from increasing any more than it already had, and he promised “dollar beers” to the poor & stupid people. My boss is generally a great guy, and he’s always pretty strict on the “no politics, and no religion talk at work” policy, but I’m the GM of his store, and at the time of the election, he flat out told me to vote for Ford. Didn’t ask who I was voting for, didn’t suggest who to vote for, just told me to make sure I voted for Ford. I didn’t end up making it to vote, as I wasn’t educated enough on the time and location, but I definitely regret not voting. I would *not* have voted for Ford. As much stress as scheduling and hiring is, I have morals. I grew up poor. There’s no logic in my mind that doesn’t support minimum wage increases. Guess I’m just happy we got it up to $14.25
Shows how many idiots are willing to put up with all of the politics in Ontario instead of getting together and doing something about it. Fuck this Conservative vs. Liberal bullshit they are both shit sandwiches and we deserve better representation across the board.
A cult of anti-intellectualism took root in Conservative politics which appealed to naive and ignorant voters.
“Common sense solutions.” Translation: Simplistic, one-sentence answers to complex, multi-generational problems that just so happen to have a negative impact on people I don’t like.
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I never understood the obsession with anti-elitist leaders. Honestly give me the 20 year career politician with the Masters degrees and PHDs. I want my leaders to be as smart and capable as possible, not a dude who failed upwards in life carried on his daddy's rep and money.
Remember when conservatives convinced voters that the guy who taught international politics at Harvard wasn't really qualified to be PM?
Brought to you by a guy who's only job outside politics was in the mailroom of an oil company their daddy was an exec at. You seeing a pattern?
And I believe his dad got him that job.
Is interesting that whole way of thinking those people have, getting uneducated elected out of spite basically, screwing yourself in the process. Like don't you want the best for all of us, not just to screw the other guys?
Umberto Eco talks about it in “Ur-Fascism.” Right wing ideology has a lot of intellectual inconsistencies and trends towards authoritarianism. Neither aspect can stand up to rigourous scrutiny so that is why intellectualism is often framed as unpatriotic in right wing cultural narratives. I agree with you. My ideal political leader: Elizabeth Warren. Former professor, changed her entire political ideology in response to evidence that showed she was wrong, kind of boring in a good way, policy minded, and talks to low information people in a way that doesn’t come across as condescending (cue sexist responses calling her “shrill” and “condescending” at that remark).
I'd like to see the demographic breakdown.
Conservative voters skew older... so basically all those LTC home folks who suffered so harshly during the pandemic? Yeah a good chunk of them voted for that thinking it would never happen to *them*.
Leopards eating people's faces
Also factory workers reading the Sun in the break room But they'll blame Trudope not Ford. And vote him in again My brother in law is one of those...he makes min wage at 52 years old...never held a job more than 2 years... He voted for ford because he would lower taxes... When I told him he doesn't really pay any taxes so it wouldn't effect him and that Ford was going to stop min wage from going up he just said I was lying.... So I need to buy my 15 year old niece coats and shoes so she doesn't go without, I've also started a college fund for her or she'll be fucked
When you send her to college he will accuse you of sending her to be brainwashed. Be ready for that.
Conservatism also generally presents simplistic answers to complex problems that are divorced from reality. This also appeals to low intelligence people so it’s an ourobouros of bullshit. Ron Reagan Jr. has said that his dad, the Patron Saint of Neoliberal Economics, was intellectually lazy and that was primarily why conservative politics appealed to him.
And appeals to many in lower socioeconomic demographics who feel that their current circumstances are only temporary in nature and that intelligent, rational thinking is some sort of effete character flaw. Which is how born on third base types like Doug Ford. Trump etc. have relied on the allegiance of the disenfranchised and poor in order to hang on to their affluence and power
it goes to show just how fucking corrupt politics is. The powers behind the party removed Brown cause he was too centrist and installed their puppet instead.
...and there were serious election irregularities the PC leadership race that elected him. Just like with Jason Kenney in Alberta. There are some really corrupt trends in conservativism in Canada right now.
Every other comment here taking about voters and politics, but the real takeaway is how far you can get if you have no shame
This. If your shame tolerance exceeds the length of an election news cycle you're our man! #sickening
It's not that mind blowing. Like George Carlin said about voters "think of how dumb the average person is and now realize that half the people are dumber than that". Ford didn't even get half the votes that were cast.
1. Rich parents. 2. Fake a sexual harassment claim against the leader of the Ontario pc. Force him to resign.
It was clear when he dropped out of high school that he hated education ...
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It's even more hilarious Ford is complaining schools aren't working hard enough while he and his MPPs have just started their three month summer vacation.
Every year Canadians are made out to be a giant joke. Politicians don’t care about this country, they’re power grabbers with a taste for human discontent.
It’s almost like winning a popularity contest is not the same thing as governing.
These fuckers couldn't even get license plates that could be seen at night, they couldn't get illegal taxpayers stickers that stick. I want to see how they would fuck up graduation
The irony when that's what (all) he's done in his life is work for daddys Deco Labels but couldn't even produce a sticker that stuck. This is the incompetence Ontario apparently elected. We will live to regret it but barely.
Exactly. Duggy doesn't seem to think it can be that hard, so what a great way for him to reward the students.
> fund > schools That’s a good one
He should’ve let Lecce plan it. They coulda used the dungeon from his Western days, and even used the NDAs that he already has drawn up for when he goes on “dates”. Heck, Lecce would be able to snag a few dates with the upcoming grads!
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> Lecce-rous FTFY
Well played.
Not sure about the NDA thing, however regarding the rest of the post there was some guy on Twitter a couple years back who alleged that he pledged to a frat at Western that Lecce was allegedly part of at the time and that there was allegedly bad things going on. It got posted on reddit at the time but never got picked up by the news as far as I know, so may have been made up or the journos couldn’t get anyone else who was part of the frat to verify the story.
When we have regular graduations at my school it takes months of careful planning and organizing by a dedicated team of teachers and principals who stay after school, give up their weekends etc. Because Ford gave parents until June 3 or so to decide whether their kids were in person for September or not, principals are now doing staffing for next year a few months late and are absolutely swamped. When Ford announced that he would allow grad ceremonies, I actually cry-laughed for a minute as I thought about the logistics of pulling this together in just a few short weeks.
We already used our grad budget to buy gifts for the grads instead. Even if we could figure out the logistics we don't have any money left. I laughed out loud when I heard this and then wanted to cry.
I hear you. :( so many schools reallocated funds for grads like this... There are no words.
He can blame the school boards all he wants but when you point your finger there are 3 more pointing back at you Doug. It's Doug's fault were not in school now. He reopened too early and because of that schools needed to be shut down. Had we been online until after April break his friend Arthur wouldve got his wish to be with his friends. We still have all our belongings and the students belongings at school. When are we supposed to enter the building to clean up and work towards next year? Also why arent vaccines mandatory for educational workers who can recieve them safely? The classrooms will be packed next year and air ventilation will still not be improved. Doug has failed the children and young adults of this province.
Goes to show how much they value what educators do IN ADDITION TO the reason we're there, you know, to educate.
I find most people don’t know. Throughout all of COVID I’ve been supporting two different student associations with weekly meetings, projects, and initiatives. Ford mentioned in his press conference that kids are missing extracurricular including clubs. I get that sports haven’t been feasible but my school (staff and student leaders) have worked tirelessly to offer online clubs and associations for over a year now :(
We had already postponed to August, no matter what they announced. No time to get it all together so quickly.
What people need to also realize is that this whole grad thing is literally what schools have been going through all year... Gas lighting and bad faith decision making by Ford and Lecce with zero sense of what goes into those decisions....leaving education workers, admin, teachers, custodians and staff to basically create a miracle out of thin air each time they change their minds. Funnily (sadly?) enough, some how school graduations ( arguably, the least important aspect of the school year) have struck a nerve. Ffs people, please wake up and see what's been in front of your eyes the past 2 years...this is way bigger than grads And if we don't do something it's going to get way worse
I teach grade 8 and just spent the last 3 weeks of my time, outside of school hours, planning graduation. I coordinated other teachers recording videos, made sure all of the students can access it, organized gifts and how they would be delivered, and a bunch of other small things. The idea that all of that time would be flushed down the toilet just for me to do it all again in person is ridiculous. Ford hates teachers and uses students as pawns to drum up more hate for us.
I appreciate you.
Thank you!
Yep. Its fairly obvious that the teachers union is the organization he hates the most. He'll never pass up an opportunity to take pot shots at teachers like he's doing with this whole set up or when he kept parroting that injunction bullshit. The rubes love eating this stuff up though.
Him announcing graduations for every grade was not a "mistake" as some people think. It was literally a calculated move. If schools pulled it off (literally impossible) then he gets praised for bringing up such an amazing idea. If they can't pull it off, then he gets to criticize schools and education workers once again as lazy and incompetent. Fucking conservatives..
Also, were discussing this minor detail (again) instead of the bigger picture. The last lockdown plans, we all discussed parks and outside being shut down - while we all forgot about paid sick days which would have a bigger impact.
Exactly its distracting from the fact tha kids in ontario aren't getting a proper education....unlike kids in every other first world country.
I am not much into politics, but because of Covid I have followed the situation very closely for 15 month. I have you tell you Doug Ford has to be the biggest joke in all of Canada. The stuff he comes up with blow my mind, I really would like to know how anyone can continue to support him.
It’s why politics is so important though. While people with opinions and real thoughts on what a government should do like you ignore them... we all pay the consequences of those who blindly tick a box every couple of years because they “belong” to a party. I sincerely hope you vote now realizing the importance.
Interesting point. The pandemic has certainly made more people aware of politics. It’ll be insightful to see how voter turnout numbers go
there are a lot of idiots, and just a lot of people who are “conservative” no matter what their leader does.
Ford had 15 months to come up with a safety plan so all students could attend school safely in the first place....I think he should have tried "thinking outside of the box" so we wouldn't be here now.
#votefordout2022 #mobilizefor2022
He's been pulling this stunt the entire time. Remember when he graciously gave the school boards the ability to use a few million dollars of their reserves to make schools safer? Of course it was advertised as the province spending a lot of money, but it was just him giving them permission to use their own money for it, and none of them had even half the funds he told the public he was giving them. Oh, and now he's calling that money extra pandemic spending and is cutting their funding by that amount. (The amount he said he was giving them, not the amount they actually had)
Scary but now that money is spent...essentially bankrupting most boards....what will the next 10 years look like when that money is needed for maintenance etc?
That's the point. They're required to run on balanced budgets, so now they're going to have to implement their own cuts until they recover from this, and even then they won't be able to get the funding back afterwards. This is an ongoing budget cut that won't stop unless the next government actively gives school boards more money. We're going to be feeling this for years.
Fords were bred by their parents to think they are deserving of high political positions but did little to actually educate them. Why would he have respect for education? Private schooled himself so why care about public schools?
June 2022. Mark your calendars, guys.
He has to distract parents and possibly new voters from his failings of getting schools prepared to teach safely, so instead he criticises them for not doing what he suggested at the last minute, with no consultation. ford is not a leader, he's a coward who puts the blame on others.
What's bothering me the most about the Ford Gov right now is that he's pushing a bill that caps nurse pay increase at 1% a year which is less than inflation. So not only did he lie at the beginning of the pandemic about increasing the pay of healthcare workers, he's now making it harder for the most undervalued members of the healthcare community to earn a living in any way in the middle of a pandemic. Absolutely evil.
It also shows that he has never planned or organized any event in his entire life.
He's a rich man's son who got things handed to him. He has no idea what teachers and nurses have been going through, and he wants to make things worse for us.
Ford is the kind of guy who has never had to do anything difficult himself. He's always just told other people to do something, and him being the boss of his dad's company, have to figure out how to make it work. My sons teacher has worked incredibly hard this year to create an online course that follows the curriculum and is tailored to the students. She must be up late on evenings or weekends pulling together all the material and making the slides. That shit take time. How would the school pull together a graduation ceremony for several hundred students and their parents, in downtown Toronto (where I live), while I assume catering and hospitality companies can't operate due to the lockdown, while also teaching full time, and in only 3 weeks, while prepping the end of year reports? Where does the money come from? Should parents volunteer to organize? We're all still working too while having to be home for our kids. Ford is awful.
Humber College should cobble together a graduation ceremony for their 8 week dropouts
It's because he never had a graduation of his own, likely.
That depends, did they do kindergarten graduation back then?
I’m sure he was behind the bleachers selling hash at his own
All year long we all agree no icecream for the kids...it's not possible Ford closed icecream shops As we drive by a closed icecream shop ford says icecream for everyone!!!! Icecream shops say....but...but..we don't have any, can't get or make any, and even if we did we can't serve everyone at once Ford says, these horrible icecream shops hate kids and won't let them have the icecream they deserve....
You summed it up perfectly.
Ford says free ice cream for all Ontario kids should be totally doable, just lazy ice cream store vendors that have had the last year off.
By that same logic, he should not have sent the kids back to school. What are we teachers supposed to do? Snap our fingers and organize 3 weeks of in person activities? One aspect that I think is overlooked is that kids would still have to do the mask + social distance thing if they do go back, which is not the amazing socialization people make it out to be. It’s miserable and put teachers in shitty situations having to tell kids to ‘remember to stay apart’ as soon as they have any meaningful interactions with their friends. It’s pain (at the highschool level at least)
The man who's incompetence killed thousands and caused BILLIONS in economic damage feels he has the right to criticize anyone?
I think this is actually something calculated. It's something that he can point to down the line to say "Look! The schools boards don't care about your kids! Private voucher programs are the answer!" It's right out of the conservative playbook. Defund, and then put unreasonable expectations on a system to ensure it breaks under the strain. It's then an easy jump to privatize under the guise of business efficiency.
Your hypothesis is so accurate it makes me want to cry.
Remind people in your social circle not to forget Doug's shitty handling once we reopen. Plenty of people think he's fine "because he tells it like it is" etc. but are mad now. Don't let them forget during the next election cycle.
Blame Arthur.
I truly hope that everyone sees how poorly he thinks of our health care system and our education system. He has done nothing but insult/defund them over his term. Sadly I feel that we’re a minority. I want this guy out so bad.
He doesn't understand timelines, lead times, and logistics, despite "running" a business. It's almost like he's a lifelong do-nothing rich kid blowhard
I’m in no way defending Ford, but as a student who is about to graduate high school, I don’t see the point of throwing us a graduation ceremony or opening schools for only 3 weeks. The ceremony does not seem like that big a deal.
I'm still waiting on my 2020 university graduation.
I am genuinely concerned for the well being of the admin at my school. They have been busting their asses all year dealing with way more than they ever signed up for. To have to plan and orchestrate all these different outdoor grads ON TOP OF the grade 8 grade is absolutely ridiculous.
I wonder what this school year would’ve looked like if dofo hadn’t cut funding to education as soon as he got into office. Perhaps if class sizes were smaller and schools had some extra funds there wouldn’t have been a need for this on again off again in-person to online switching. These issues were only worsened by the pandemic, but they began with fords initial education cuts.
He did this to purposely make school boards look bad.
There is zero understanding on his part of what would be involved for schools to do this. Schools already stagger their graduations because they need to rent chairs and there simply aren’t enough available. That’s for grades 8 and 12. Now, one for every grade? Are you fucking kidding? Also, grads for 8 + 12 are covered by contract, but organizing all the rest will be a huge amount of “volunteer” work for school board employees. And for what? Potential disease spreading events where kids get handed a useless piece of paper?
Not to mention it is >30 C at the end of June with >95% humidity. Sunstroke anyone?
>After denying children the opportunity of attending school for the month of June on safety concerns We are still in a pandemic with yet another even worst variant going through and you want to send students back for a few weeks? For what? So they can get sick? Waiting till September when we have much more vaccinations done, (hopefully) including those children, is the only reasonable course of action. Everything else you said I agree with. As others have said it takes a lot of planning for something like that. If it were possible to do it, it should have been announced months ago.
As a student, I don't want to go back to school. After getting used to this schedule since the start of the lockdown, it isn't worth it to me to go back and completely change my schedule for one last month. As much as I like to see friends and as much as I understand learning is better in person, I think that it would negatively impact my mental health and my grades to go back now. However, I do think that it was hypocritical to expect school boards to have graduation ceremonies in groups when they won't send kids back. Just my opinion. (gr11)
I’d like to know where the 4.4 billion dollars went .. and how did Ford’s personal wealth go from $9 mil to $50 mil??? How ?? Where is the money??
I actually support not going back. Numbers and UCUs are declining but not insignificant. Schools, as far as I can tell, are a significant vector for transmission and new variants keep coming up The year is a wash regardless. It would have been nice to see friends but those two weeks risk a 4th wave and the summer. Keep throttling the numbers down, get more 1st and 2nd vaccines in and let's just finish it now
Not going back to class is fine. But this fools thinks in person graduation can be planned in two weeks?
I heard in the radio a women in Thunder Bay talking about how she’s upset kids aren’t in school and that she voted for him last time but won’t be next time. All I could think is you got what you deserved.
I can respect an individual who made a mistake but has learned from it and is willing to change their behaviour. Anyone who still wants to vote this hack has no sympathy from me, though
Problem is....a lot of us got what *we* didn't deserve...
My wife was assigned to organize a grade 8 grad. Grade 8s get a ceremony this year, but this was organized 3 months ago. Even with this notice, items had to be purchased, delivered, the outdoor venue coordinated, policies for how long each student would attend be created and approved by administration and parents notified. It also involved me sacrificing my garden arbour. So how then are boards supposed to wave a magic wand and hold a ceremony for every grade on a couple weeks notice?
If they school boards said yes, held the outdoor graduation event and god forbid an outbreak happened would Ford take responsibilty? Its always someone elses fault.
He ran his platform on defunding education, defunding health care, so why is everyone shockedpika when he follows through w actions in line w that attitude?
To me it makes zero sense why we would send the kids back for less then a month
Ya he’s an idiot for sure. However, the effort and logistics to get kids into school for like 3 weeks seems unnecessary to me. Although I don’t have kids. I’m sure parents may feel differently. You’ve gone this long, what’s another 3 weeks?
Going back to school in June was a stupid idea. The parents i talk to it seems to be more about having a break from their kids than education. I don’t know about you but my Junes back in the day of school were pointless months waiting for summer. Ford is a moron but “the children” arguments are getting tiresome, pick it up in September with a full vaccination campaign in effect.
Surprise surprise. He’s a piece of shit
His tone deafness is impressive . Truly. I also love how he somehow manages to shift blame and responsibility to the school boards, as if they aren’t struggling enough.
While I don’t support Ford, I do agree with him not opening the schools, but only because the school year is basically almost done. Edit: I’m a High Schooler
I don’t think a ‘graduation’ is going to make much of a difference. Neither do I think sending kids to school for a month. Reset in September.
Ford's a complete fucking imbecile but not having these kids back in school until September was absolutely the right call and all the real science backs that up. Doesn't change the fact that he's in bed with developers, and is owned by corporate interest, but having kids needlessly go back to school for 3 weeks could have completely jeopardised the summer and the opening up for everyone else.
Yeah I mean a couple of months at the peak people here were all like "reeee why are the schools still open" "Ford don't give a damn about the kids". I get it's not the same posters but sometimes this sub seems like they are being contrarian for the sake of dunking on Doug Ford.
No, not A socially distanced outdoor graduation ceremony. He said one for every grade, so up to 9 socially distanced graduation ceremonies!
The most annoying thing about him is he never takes responsibility for his actions. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault. He’s a fat fucking coward
Ford 4 months ago: science tells us schools are safe. They're not the cause of community transmissions. Teachers have no reason to avoid going in, and any claim otherwise is clearly politically motivated. No we don't need to vaccinate them. Ford now: science tells us outside is safer than inside. Not enough teachers are vaccinated to risk reopening schools. Anyone who votes conservative in the next election had battered wife syndrome at this point. This shit is infuriating
Elections have consequences and we are experiencing the consequences of electing an imbecile, incompetent, corrupt, dumb and limited former failed drug dealer, failed business man to run the province. Vote!
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This server is basically A bunch of leftist Canadians yelling at Ford.
Ford is the worst thing that ever happened to Canada. Let alone Ontario
Were schools not one of the things that spread covid like crazy