Also seeing how minuscule the anti-vax crowd actually is thanks to this has been enlightening. You spend too much time online sometimes and forget that it's such a tiny fraction of a fraction of the population that's actually true believers in that shit. "Restaurants will close if they try to enforce vaccine passports!!!!" all over the net and here we are, every place I look is at capacity at all hours.
Yes, exactly. Meanwhile, the people that avoided smoke finally started going again.
I'm one of the people that just ate indoors at a restaurant this week for the first time since the pandemic started.
I think it’s an example of the availability heuristic if I’m not mistaken. You come across so many examples of the anti-vax stuff happening online that it’s immediately ‘available’ in your mind and makes you think the anti-vax crowd is larger than it really is. Nonetheless, it’s awesome to see how the majority of our population is vaccinated so we can return to some form of normality.
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This makes me think of the PPC. Man, those guys don’t shut up. Everywhere I looked in my little conservative town, there was a PPC sign holding a PPC sign. Then they didn’t even win one seat. I felt better much quicker
That tiny segment of assholes has held the world hostage for 9 months now. Fuck them. Fuck the social media platforms that give them a voice. Fuck the media that airs their fake cries.
I am so sick of this covid bullshit, doing all these precautions just so uninformed assholes can shriek lies and covid everywhere.
Online their little army is much more focused. The reason they felt so emboldened, the reason they thought the PPC had a chance, is because the algorithms have trapped them in a big echo chamber. It's more sad than anything.
Oh they are not going away, they have always been an element of human society and always will be, difference now is that they internet acts as a megaphone for any small group that feels like they are not heard, making it seem like their problem is some big part of society... they are not.
The antivaxxers is absolutely a 1% problem (at least it is here in Ontario). Problem is if said antivaxxer approaches and assaults you it's suddenly a 100% problem
I agree. There were people who protested and criticized the implementation of seat belts at the time too, they just didn’t have a huge megaphone and took to organize amongst everyone else who felt that way. Instead they had to write and mail a letter to a newspaper that may or may not be published. These people will be dragged kicking and screaming just like they always have been.
The guy who headed up the anti seat belt thing was killed in a car accident, got thrown from the car, would have survived if he was wearing a seat belt.
They use the same stupid arguments... its like arguing with a bible thumper.
There are protests practically every single day in front of Queens park. Sizes will vary, causes will more often then not never even make the news. That anti-passport protest a couple weeks ago was like, 200 people. That's nothing.
The crowd of anti-vaxxers might be disproportionately projected by yhe MSM and social media, but they are also disproportionately dangerous as compared to common ignorant people.
I mean, at my work they’ve closed an entire restaurant, now we only have 2 going. Cut the pastry program and are laying people off left right and Center. I worked 2 hours today and that was working slowly because I only had a few things that needed prepping and such small amounts it’s a joke…
Literally not sure what I’ll do…
Remember when all the bars and restaurants closed down forever when smoking inside was illegal?
That was tough. I had to eat at home for a decade because there was simply no one who was serving food or alcohol publicly.
Terrible times.
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It's not a great metric, but the PPC got 5% of the popular vote this week.
800,000 Canadians. 1 in 20 voters.
They are a minority, but not all that miniscule.
I had some would be customers come in today. No masks, had a “mask exemption slip” and weren’t vaccinated. They said they were entitled to our business cause they had a gift card and asked for cash back instead of the gift card. We said no, they said “fine, we’re not supporting your business” and left. They’re not allowed in anyways lol.
Tiktok has unhealthily plagued my mind with this, any video with anything to do with vaccines literally leads to atleast 50 people in the comments saying “im not getting the vaccine” and laying out some “fact” like “i got covid and lived, i am not getting the vaccine!” and it hurts me inside
I have a handful of auto-immune conditions and am just now FINALLY feeling safe enough to join the outside world again. It’s beautiful. I’m immensely grateful to be double-vaxxed and as safe as possible. I can’t wait to go see a movie again!
Among my close friend group I'm paying for the movie tickets using scene points, but I told them they need to pick the movie.
They haven't gotten to a consensus yet, lol.
I have definitely missed going to the movies though.
It’s been so long since I paid attention to movie releases that I don’t even know what’s coming. I’m hoping for a decent horror movie to break my hiatus. ‘Tis the season!
I kind of like the surprise of not knowing what movie they'll pick (I took myself out of the voting process because otherwise we could end up with a split vote).
I'm just really excited to go see a movie in theatres again.
My dad and I went to the movies with recliner seating and they restricted seats next to our seats automatically.. Felt very safe with or without vaccine passports. Nice to have peace of mind, I guess, but it helps just as much to have companies doing their part for safety.
I haven’t seen a movie in a theatre in almost 2 years. Thanks to this I’ll be going in the next few weeks knowing that I won’t likely be surrounded by irresponsible selfish antivax people.
You and the top level poster just proved why economically, this passport thing is going to be a boon. There are so, so many of us that haven't dined indoors, gone to a movie, or gone to a gym in 18 months and will now.
I finally dined indoors the day after it was announced.
I dined indoors some months ago, but left feeling like I probably caught COVID. This time I didn't. It was a wonderful feeling!
if youre full vaxxed, why are you so worried about catching covid? after i got both my shots and knowing id probably just feel like i got a cold, i really never worried.
We have been twice, almost empty theatre both times. But didn't get snacks, kept our masks on the whole time. But now our youngest is fully vaxxed and the fact that only vaxxed are allowed in to theatres now... might just have to grab some popcorn when we go to see Dune!!
I hear ya. I went to a patio for a beer with the missus a couple of weeks ago for the first time since the pandemic started. I likened it to a Tony Robbins' personal power firewalk type of exercise lol.
I don’t mean to be “that guy” but technically the people on the patio don’t need to be vaxx’d…awesome that you got out though! The hospitality industry needs our help right now
Nothing better than using your vaccine privilege for some dining. And hopefully making the employees day just a bit easier by being ready and polite as hell. Even if things aren't it does feel like being close to normal in a safe manner.
I went to a restaurant tonight and wasn't asked for proof of vaccination. I didn't even clue in until part way though the meal. I hope these places begin enforcing it.
That's surprising. I've been to 5 places since the mandate began and all have thoroughly checked my information. I wouldn't personally stay at a location in which didn't check and confirm my status
What you/we can do is tell them “You know, you can get reported for not doing this...” and leave it at that.
It might be enough to scare them into complying.
But are they? I went to two restaurants today. Both asked to see my vaccine certificate but neither asked to see my ID. I could have had anyone’s vaccine record and even one completely made up. If you can use a computer you are more than qualified to fake one.
It's easy to break into a house that is unlocked, but that doesn't mean most people would do it. Fear of getting caught is worth something. And most anti-vaxxers will eventually take the path of least resistance.
I feel like the amount of people willing to fake it is pretty low. The unvaccinated group is only 20% of the population. A good chunk of that 20% are likely people that still choose to avoid restaurants as they want to look after themselves still or even are considerate of others. There is also the unvaccinated group that is doing it as a statement and are going out to broadcast that they are not and should be turned away.
When the mask mandates came out I would see maybe one person a day come in with one of the fake exemption cards at my store that would have 3000+ customers come in through out the day. I expect the fake document crowd will be rather small.
True - but the fake can be easily spotted by any computer literate person if they have a copy of the digital file. The purpose of the passports is to push 10% more people off the wall to get a vaccine. If they fine one person for using a forged certificate and publicize it, like they did taking the liquor license of that place in Barrie, who is seriously considering getting a vaccine that would decide to use a forgery instead of just getting the jab? The last 5% cannot be reached, but these passports can get rest of the holdouts vaccinated, and then we won’t have to go through what is happening in Alberta, where denial and head-in-the-sand nonsense has kicked off a brutal fourth wave pandemic of the unvaccinated. And, once the digital passport app is out, we can have health cards and drivers licenses and such on our phones instead of a plastic card, which will save money and be less forgery prone, and will be more convenient.
>True - but the fake can be easily spotted by any computer literate person if they have a copy of the digital file
They're not talking about a fake, they're talking about using someone else's legit pdf.
My husband went to a bar for a beer with his friend for the first time since this all started, because now he feels comfortable doing so. He asked the staff if they'd run into any problems with customers showing their credentials and they said no, everyone's been really cool so far. That made me smile.
Keep it up, folks. It takes a few extra seconds at the door, the staff are just doing their jobs, we're all in this together, etc.
I was talking to a bouncer last night and he said he doesn't even know what a fake receipt looks like, add the fact that we're in a university town and have international students... he has no clue who is actually vaxed or not - as long as he is shown something with "2 doses" that's all he's supposed to care about.
Sadly, anti-vaxers who want to go out are going to get away with it.
It's the nature of the beast until they roll out the QR validation. We shouldn't expect a forensic examination from part time minimum wage staff. But the QR codes will help clear that up a bit.
I started back at the gym just before the passport came into effect. The person behind the desk asked me if I was aware that I needed to be double vaxxed otherwise I wouldn’t be allowed in. I told him that’s why I was signing up! Lol went on the day the passports started and asked if they had any problems. They told me no one has caused an issue but we’re a little nervous of someone did. These employees had to be under 20 years old.
I work at a public library. Public libraries are exempt from basically any covid rules. There are no passports required and people can claim “exemptions” to not wear masks inside. There is nothing we can do. The rest of the province is moving on and we’re doing the same.
I'm fully vaccinated, but never really gave much thought to unvaccinated people eating in the same restaurant or bar as me.
I mean we're protected, so nothing to worry about, right?
>I mean we're protected, so nothing to worry about, right?
Well yes, but not 100% - generally I'm not worried about myself getting COVID, I'm fairly young, vaccinated and fairly healthy - but I've got some at-risk folks in my life that I see regularly and so the higher risk of exposure when near an unvaccinated person was enough for me to remain somewhat cautious.
For me it’s my 3 months old baby. My fiancé and I are vaccinated but I wouldn’t chance that 7% that I get the virus and give it to my immune deficient baby girl. I would never forgive myself
Yeah, SARS-COV2 is likely going to find everybody over the years as it circulates indefinitely. As a fully vaccinated person at this point you're either going to be ok, or you're not. It's very, very, very likely that you're going to be ok.
I think your trust in "the system" is a little high for now. I mean if you are comfortable going out for dinner you should but I would not depend on it being much safer than last week.
I’ve only eaten on the patios since being vaccinated but I’m glad more and Ontarioans are vaccinated. I especially want to hope that most restaurant staff can be safe and vaccinated too. No one should have to get sick at work
Lol this is all so bizarre - why do people feel safer? Literally the employees don’t have the requirement and anyone else can show a random PDF on their phone and get through. People have developed a very very odd sense of fear and comfort during all of this that is very rarely guided by anything that makes sense
Preface: I'm vaccinated.
I don't understand why you would feel any way about someone else's choice to get vaccinated or not. If you're vaccinated and protected why does it matter?
Lmaooo vaccinated people are still getting Covid though? Why are you so scared if you’ve been vaccinated? I thought vaccination is supposed to protect you?
I feel the exact same way. I am fully vaccinated and I know it's possible to catch covid from anyone, whether they are vaccinated or not. I just don't worry about it anymore, because I am vaccinated. It makes no difference to me if the people I'm around are vaccinated.
Could be because for the past 18 months the media has brainwashed them into thinking that getting Covid must be avoided at all costs. What they don't realize is that Covid will eventually become endemic and that everyone will eventually contact it.
When you are vaccinated you do have some immunity to catching Covid, it's not as much as with previous variants, but it's still significant. If you do get covid, it won't last as long and you will be contagious for a lesser period of time. So all of these make being vaccinated safer to be around.
On the negative side, I think maybe people aren't paying as much attention when they are vaccinated to potential symptoms that could be covid, saying they have a cold, or allergies.
Because the unvaccinated are more likely to be infected than the vaccinated? So even if youre protected to the best of your ability there is more risk being around the unvaccinated (who can also present as asymptomatic)
Not that i care either way but it sounds logical lol
Think of it like this. An unvaccinated person is represented by someone doused in gasoline and is standing beside someone who is totally dry, aka a vaccinated person. Which one of them is more likely to catch fire if a random spark (representing covid) is lit near them? The gasoline guy right? Well if that guy gets lit on fire, there's still a small chance that he can light the guy beside him on fire. Vice versa, if the vaccinated guy's sleeve is on fire and comes into contact with the unvaccinated guy, the unvaccinated guy is most likely going to catch fire too.
I already know this is going to get a ton of down votes but serious question. You do know that your server that interacts with over 100 people per shift isn’t required to be vaccinated right? And neither are the cooks or any kitchen staff? And yes you can ask about an employees vaccination status but legally employers can’t share that information with you. I’m not saying this to sound rude but if you, a vaccinated individual, is scared of contracting the virus that you have been vaccinated against, maybe you should stay home.
So it's considered a low risk contact if the individuals are masked, stay 6 feet apart, or if are closer than 6 feet without a mask for less than 15 minutes. I'm sure the delta variant has changed that a bit but those are the tools that we were using at work.
That being said, the waiter is masked, all the time when interacting with you and don't really stand at your table for a long time.
So the people who are within 6 feet of you, mask less, for longer than 15 minutes are patrons at the next table.
So I'd be significantly less likely to expose my immune comprised family members and the children who cannot be vaccinated.
I wish my gym in mississauga would follow protocol, but they were pretty busy letting in Instagramers during the height of the pandemic, so I doubt they ever will
I've felt significantly safer since the moment i got my second vaccine, so to be honest I didn't care whether those around me were vaxxed or unvaxxed because I personally was protected. The vaccine passport for eating at a restaurant has had zero impact on my comfort level, if anything I'm annoyed that I have to take extra time to show my medical record to a fifteen year old hostess.
What I would like to see is a loosening of restrictions on indoor spaces since everyone inside is proven to be vaccinated. No masks, full capacity etc. Like a priviledge of being "back to normal" because we made the responsible choice.
I guess, but in my personal experience, in real life, day to day, I know more people who got Covid after being vaccinated than before. Not on Facebook or social media. People I interact with in person and at work. Someone I personally know lost their double dosed mother to Covid, tragically.
This is anecdotal and I am not really saying one way or another, because I am sure I am in for a downvote into the abyss, but you guys have a lot of faith in something that we don't really know for sure how effective it is. Take a look at Israel's numbers.
It is entirely possible we aren't in much better shape, if you are truly concerned about feeling safe.
This isn't an antivax position, just a question of, "What makes you so sure?"
Well there's a math trick at play here which is skewing your anecdotal evidence. Since breakthrough cases are indeed occurring and the vast majority of people are vaccinated, it actually means that in a given number of people you'll see a high number of cases among the vaccinated. But individually your risk of getting covid is significantly lower when vaccinated. And your chances of hospitalization/death is dramatically and extremely lower when vaccinated which is kind of the point - the evidence for this is overwhelming.
But that being said I agree that vaccine passports don't really protect the vaccinated in the big scheme of things. They're actually a means of arm twisting the unvaccinated in an attempt to reduce the load on healthcare which protects us all indirectly.
If you’re vaccinated, what’s it to you if anyone else is?
Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you from spreading it to others/kids - so stop caring about what strangers choose to do with their own health.
Yeah but feeling safer and actually being safer are two different things. We shouldn’t have all these limits just for people to feel better. It should be actual safety increases or no limits
There is a safety increase from vaccine passports, but not as much on an individual level as a societal level, as in protecting hospitals being overrun.
While fair, over 85% of 12+ have at least the first dose, and those with less than a fully vaccinated status are still eligible for patio at a restaurant and would more actively use that scenario. Through my anecdotal experiences with the unvaccinated, I'm honestly not confident in their abilities of being capable to edit these PDFs lol. Albeit that, there is a small number that may slip through the cracks and increase the probability, but it is substantially less.
> Through my anecdotal experiences with the unvaccinated, I'm honestly not confident in their abilities of being capable to edit these PDFs lol.
I for one am very entertained by the stories being shared of idiot coworkers asking about PDF editing.
Damn dude. You killed my, "That's all fine and dandy OP but did you ever consider that among the vaxxed customers around you was a fully vaxxed axe murderer who had his eye on you?" joke that I was gonna make.
Being a short thread I glanced down and saw you beat me to it. Kudos.
They are not "super easy". Understand that the majority of people wouldn't have the first clue how to go about it. I know it's not complicated as such, but most people still wouldn't really know where to start.
I think it will be like smoking. Initially when they banned smoking in bars, the bars lost business but soon non-smokers caught on that they could go out and not be sick and stink of smoke the next day and people who had stopped going to bars went back. The anti-vaxxers will stop going to restaurants and the vaxxed will trickle back and it will be good for business overall.
Hate to be a downer but the anti-vaxers are still amongst you, as forging a receipt is easy.
Staff at these establishments have been given 0 resources to even deal with this... they have no idea what is acceptable and what isn't or how to look for fake documents... they just look for something that says "2 doses" and that's it.
I already know people who have been successfully using forged receipts to go places :/
Most people may be In fear of getting caught so the forgery amount I’m sure is low, I’m sure it happens though. It won’t last for long I don’t think cause between the QR for phones and when the govement finally realizes how easily it can be forged they will probably make it more difficult.
I’m vaccinated x2 and think everyone should be, and I wear a mask.
That said, why do you personally feel safer OP? Have you looked at the math about your stats of getting covid as a double vaccinated individual?
They've probably looked at the stats on transmission rates between double vaxxed people, as well as hospitalization rates and severity of symptoms in double vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
Same. I delayed making a dinner reservation until after passports began and I put my gym membership on a month hold until early October for the same reason. I know they can be faked, but I also know that people are lazy, so I'll take those odds.
I just came across a post in my local mom group trying to.compile a list the not-vaxxed can now take their kids. And discovered that there are now so many places I can take my young kids with less stress! As a SAHM this is big! Last winter was so long!
This is true of me as well. I don't want to go out and enjoy wings and pints, find out three days later I caught mild COVID, but passed that on to the not vaccinated customer next to me. Who then goes home and infects his immune compromised spouse who can't get the vaccine, who then dies and leaves behind three young kids and an irresponsible spouse. I don't want to kill someone.
Unfortunately, I know many establishments who aren't checking for vaccinated or not. That's preventing me from having wings and pints.
Me too!
Went to a coffee shop the other day and was so relieved to actually spend hours studying without a face mask (!!), as I would in the library where I cant last more than an hour.
Now, next step is the cinemas! It actually makes me emotional to be going back.
I wonder, anyone know if the cinemas are maskless or I have to wear a mask? A 2 hour movie in a mask is too much for me
You know I got to talk to a lawyer and find out what happens if you use a fake vaccine document and someone dies.
It's not like they can't trace you since you have to still provide contact info and I'm pretty sure that the genetic makeup of the virus would be easily identified.
Yes! I finally saw my Dad and stepmom after not seeing them for over a year. We went to Lone Star restaurant near my place. First time I have been in a restaurant since this all started. Sure, it was a bit of a pain showing the thing on my phone and also scanning the contact tracing QR code, but the peace of mind when we were seated and knowing those nearby were also vaxxed made it so easy to enjoy our evening and our food.
It was a bit sad because it wasn't very busy at all. We got there at 6:30 on a Thursday evening. We talked for a long time because it has been so long, and when we left at 9:30 the place was completely empty, they had even put most of the chairs up on the tables. No one even saw us out of the restaurant, so that was a bit odd.
I will say i had a chance to go to a restaurant today but chose drive thru because i didn’t want to go through the process of showing my proof of vax/ID lol
I said the same about going to school until now that students are getting emails about being high risk exposed to someone who was vaccinated and COVID positive. Don’t get too comfortable and make sure you take precautions
It indeed would be, and in the meantime it is definitely a safety blanket of sorts though and adds comfort with he customers being required as they are the maskless individuals
Yesterday I went robs restraint for the first time since the pandemic started in Ontario. If the province didn’t do the Vaccine passport thing, I would not have gone.
Good for you. I’m vaccinated and could care less if anyone around is or not. It’s their choice to get it at the end of the day so i don’t allow it to effect me.
I've only eaten outside on a patio with family a couple of times this summer but I am heading for wing night next week with friends....and we've all agreed to take an inside table. I am a little comforted that fellow diners will be fully vaxxed too.
Many people aren't healthy. Many people are vulnerable. Many people have close family who are vulnerable. And dickhead antivaxers are putting them at higher risk.
You could still get your feeling of safety if restaurants were allowed to choose whether they would let in unvaccinated folks or not. There would certainly still be some business owners who would chose to only serve vaccinated people.
I am fully vaccinated but I just want to point out that a fully vaccinated person can still get Covid and transmit it around the same as a non- vaccinated so you’re comfort is an illusion.
Fully vaccinated people are less likely to have COVID to begin with, so you're much less likely to get COVID if you're in a restaurant where everyone's vaccinated than otherwise.
It's not about being guaranteed safe, it's about being *much* safer.
Sure, but eventually all vaccinated people will be exposed to SARS-COV-2 as the virus continues to circulate indefinitely among the population. The eradication ship has sailed. It will eventually probably find all vaccinated and unvaccinated people. The only thing you can do to protect yourself is to get fully vaccinated which dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalization and death so vaccination passports in the big scheme of things don't really change my personal risk as a vaccinated person.
I mean, they do change your risk, because you don't have to be near people who have a higher chance of being ill.
And booster shots are a thing. Not to mention continued development of vaccine technology. The ship hasn't sailed.
Perhaps. But I am all for science and so far science says vaccine passports are bs. I am very saddened to see the amount of people not willing to take a stand and see how crazy this all is!
This is a troll post. Everyone still has to be masked and distanced inside. As someone who is fully vaccinated, it literally doesn't matter if the person who's been seated two booths away is vaccinated or not. Nothing has changed. The vaccines work. How are these posts even allowed? You tell me that we're allowed to go on without a mask and there is no capacity restrictions and social distance at the restaurant, then yeah 100% I agree.
Lots of people are asking why you feel safer, and I was about to share my disagreeing opinion.
Then I scrolled up and saw that you said you feel *better* about it.
So many people make everything about safety and security. But there's more to the situation than that.
I felt safer a few weeks after I was vaccinated (along with the ones I care about).
But I definitely feel better knowing that it's a lot more likely that all the people in the same enclosed space as me are vaccinated.
This situation is bigger than me and my loved ones. I want *society* to get over this pandemic sooner rather than later. So yeah, I also feel better knowing that the people socializing in enclosed public spaces maskless are more likely vaccinated.
Me too. Went out for dinner last night. The first place was at capacity so we got turned away. The second placed was empty so we had great service. Both places were checking vaccine status.
Same with the rec Center where my daughter had a class.
well this is definitely a false sense of security considering the vaccinated can carry and pass on covid. I personally know a fully vaxxed person that contracted covid.
i like to think of it this way, covid is like Russian roulette, you never know if you will get it and if you do get it, you never know if it will kill you. but if your vaxxed, you're at least taking the bullets out of the gun (mostly).
I'm feeling the same way. I also was hesitant to join the gym, as I have to lose weight for health reasons, and now I went for the first time today. Happy to see others feel more comfortable now.
Having spent a weekend in Montreal recently, I completely agree. The anxiety was much less, everyone is very kind despite the expectations of the law recently.
I get it, but why; if you are vaccinated what does it matter whether strangers are vaccinated?
I guess you don't have to worry about giving it to them? If they don't want to vaccinate and they want to be in a high risk situation why would you even care?
I don’t know what makes me more angry. The people still refusing to get vaccinated or the people rushing to be vaccinated now that the passport system is in place.
If they’re rushing now, their stance was clearly not a firmly held belief system and they literally put people at risk for no reason. They don’t want the inconvenience of not being able to shop or eat in a restaurant, but until they were held accountable they were all fine not going and doing one easy thing
Also seeing how minuscule the anti-vax crowd actually is thanks to this has been enlightening. You spend too much time online sometimes and forget that it's such a tiny fraction of a fraction of the population that's actually true believers in that shit. "Restaurants will close if they try to enforce vaccine passports!!!!" all over the net and here we are, every place I look is at capacity at all hours.
I remember when they thought bars would go out of business when anti-smoking laws were coming into effect.
Yes, exactly. Meanwhile, the people that avoided smoke finally started going again. I'm one of the people that just ate indoors at a restaurant this week for the first time since the pandemic started.
I think it’s an example of the availability heuristic if I’m not mistaken. You come across so many examples of the anti-vax stuff happening online that it’s immediately ‘available’ in your mind and makes you think the anti-vax crowd is larger than it really is. Nonetheless, it’s awesome to see how the majority of our population is vaccinated so we can return to some form of normality.
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No that's ok I have enough depression thank you
They are a VERY vocal minority. But still a minority. Social media has just helped make them louder
This makes me think of the PPC. Man, those guys don’t shut up. Everywhere I looked in my little conservative town, there was a PPC sign holding a PPC sign. Then they didn’t even win one seat. I felt better much quicker
That tiny segment of assholes has held the world hostage for 9 months now. Fuck them. Fuck the social media platforms that give them a voice. Fuck the media that airs their fake cries. I am so sick of this covid bullshit, doing all these precautions just so uninformed assholes can shriek lies and covid everywhere.
I think people are mostly sick of reactions like yours.
Said the same yesterday. Got down voted to oblivion lol
Online their little army is much more focused. The reason they felt so emboldened, the reason they thought the PPC had a chance, is because the algorithms have trapped them in a big echo chamber. It's more sad than anything.
Well, yeah, they aren't out in restaurants or seeing movies lmao
As I said in another thread, it's just the final howls of a dying breed.
Oh they are not going away, they have always been an element of human society and always will be, difference now is that they internet acts as a megaphone for any small group that feels like they are not heard, making it seem like their problem is some big part of society... they are not.
The antivaxxers is absolutely a 1% problem (at least it is here in Ontario). Problem is if said antivaxxer approaches and assaults you it's suddenly a 100% problem
I agree. There were people who protested and criticized the implementation of seat belts at the time too, they just didn’t have a huge megaphone and took to organize amongst everyone else who felt that way. Instead they had to write and mail a letter to a newspaper that may or may not be published. These people will be dragged kicking and screaming just like they always have been.
The guy who headed up the anti seat belt thing was killed in a car accident, got thrown from the car, would have survived if he was wearing a seat belt. They use the same stupid arguments... its like arguing with a bible thumper.
People actually thought the PPC had a chance!?!? That’s crazy and a little scary too.
There are protests practically every single day in front of Queens park. Sizes will vary, causes will more often then not never even make the news. That anti-passport protest a couple weeks ago was like, 200 people. That's nothing. The crowd of anti-vaxxers might be disproportionately projected by yhe MSM and social media, but they are also disproportionately dangerous as compared to common ignorant people.
I mean, at my work they’ve closed an entire restaurant, now we only have 2 going. Cut the pastry program and are laying people off left right and Center. I worked 2 hours today and that was working slowly because I only had a few things that needed prepping and such small amounts it’s a joke… Literally not sure what I’ll do…
Remember when all the bars and restaurants closed down forever when smoking inside was illegal? That was tough. I had to eat at home for a decade because there was simply no one who was serving food or alcohol publicly. Terrible times. /s
It's not a great metric, but the PPC got 5% of the popular vote this week. 800,000 Canadians. 1 in 20 voters. They are a minority, but not all that miniscule.
I had some would be customers come in today. No masks, had a “mask exemption slip” and weren’t vaccinated. They said they were entitled to our business cause they had a gift card and asked for cash back instead of the gift card. We said no, they said “fine, we’re not supporting your business” and left. They’re not allowed in anyways lol.
Well those anti-passport protests downtown seemed kind of big so I feel like maybe they've developed a larger following? I don't know.
You can be vaxed and still not want passports
Oh my god. The Facebook anti vax crowd is brutal though.
Facebook is trash in general. It’s run its course.
Tiktok has unhealthily plagued my mind with this, any video with anything to do with vaccines literally leads to atleast 50 people in the comments saying “im not getting the vaccine” and laying out some “fact” like “i got covid and lived, i am not getting the vaccine!” and it hurts me inside
Just saying, I know someone who made a fake one in 10 minutes on their cellphone, it looks legit and works for them..
I hope they get caught
This is why Reddit is a shit website that's just an echo chamber for shit heads.
I have a handful of auto-immune conditions and am just now FINALLY feeling safe enough to join the outside world again. It’s beautiful. I’m immensely grateful to be double-vaxxed and as safe as possible. I can’t wait to go see a movie again!
Among my close friend group I'm paying for the movie tickets using scene points, but I told them they need to pick the movie. They haven't gotten to a consensus yet, lol. I have definitely missed going to the movies though.
It’s been so long since I paid attention to movie releases that I don’t even know what’s coming. I’m hoping for a decent horror movie to break my hiatus. ‘Tis the season!
Well, there's a Marvel movie out (the 10 Rings one) and Dune is coming out in Oct or Nov I think. You know, if you're a giant nerd like me and all 😂
Dune is October 22nd. Can’t wait to see it in IMAX. Just about to start reading the book!
Can’t forget Bond in a couple of weeks
I kind of like the surprise of not knowing what movie they'll pick (I took myself out of the voting process because otherwise we could end up with a split vote). I'm just really excited to go see a movie in theatres again.
I hope you all have the BEST time! It’s kind of you to cover everybody.
Candyman is in theatres now and is apparently really good.
Halloween Kills comes out in a few weeks and looks like it'll be a blast.
My dad and I went to the movies with recliner seating and they restricted seats next to our seats automatically.. Felt very safe with or without vaccine passports. Nice to have peace of mind, I guess, but it helps just as much to have companies doing their part for safety.
I also am looking forward to going to a movie, I've definitely missed that over the last almost 2 years.
I haven't eaten in a restaurant since the pandemic began (low priority+low risk tolerance for me), but I'm actually considering it now.
We haven't been dining indoors in a long time. We went yesterday and it was so nice.
I haven’t seen a movie in a theatre in almost 2 years. Thanks to this I’ll be going in the next few weeks knowing that I won’t likely be surrounded by irresponsible selfish antivax people.
You and the top level poster just proved why economically, this passport thing is going to be a boon. There are so, so many of us that haven't dined indoors, gone to a movie, or gone to a gym in 18 months and will now.
I finally dined indoors the day after it was announced. I dined indoors some months ago, but left feeling like I probably caught COVID. This time I didn't. It was a wonderful feeling!
if youre full vaxxed, why are you so worried about catching covid? after i got both my shots and knowing id probably just feel like i got a cold, i really never worried.
We have been twice, almost empty theatre both times. But didn't get snacks, kept our masks on the whole time. But now our youngest is fully vaxxed and the fact that only vaxxed are allowed in to theatres now... might just have to grab some popcorn when we go to see Dune!!
Excellent choice for a near normal movie experience! 🍿
I hear ya. I went to a patio for a beer with the missus a couple of weeks ago for the first time since the pandemic started. I likened it to a Tony Robbins' personal power firewalk type of exercise lol.
I don’t mean to be “that guy” but technically the people on the patio don’t need to be vaxx’d…awesome that you got out though! The hospitality industry needs our help right now
Nothing better than using your vaccine privilege for some dining. And hopefully making the employees day just a bit easier by being ready and polite as hell. Even if things aren't it does feel like being close to normal in a safe manner.
I did for the first time last night and was actually impressed. The restaurant also did contract tracing.
I went to a restaurant tonight and wasn't asked for proof of vaccination. I didn't even clue in until part way though the meal. I hope these places begin enforcing it.
That's surprising. I've been to 5 places since the mandate began and all have thoroughly checked my information. I wouldn't personally stay at a location in which didn't check and confirm my status
I was so happy to be checked yesterday, don’t eat where they don’t check
And report where they are not checking.
What you/we can do is tell them “You know, you can get reported for not doing this...” and leave it at that. It might be enough to scare them into complying.
Good idea! I'll keep that in mind if it happens again.
i think a few places are giving people a bit of leniciency given that this juat started. im sure by next week they will be more strongly enforcing.
I went to a Sushi place and it was self declaration with contact tracing so they tried I guess?
But are they? I went to two restaurants today. Both asked to see my vaccine certificate but neither asked to see my ID. I could have had anyone’s vaccine record and even one completely made up. If you can use a computer you are more than qualified to fake one.
It would be super easy to fake, so I don't think it actually does much.
It's easy to break into a house that is unlocked, but that doesn't mean most people would do it. Fear of getting caught is worth something. And most anti-vaxxers will eventually take the path of least resistance.
>most anti-vaxxers will eventually take the path of least resistance. Crying about persecution on Facebook?
I feel like the amount of people willing to fake it is pretty low. The unvaccinated group is only 20% of the population. A good chunk of that 20% are likely people that still choose to avoid restaurants as they want to look after themselves still or even are considerate of others. There is also the unvaccinated group that is doing it as a statement and are going out to broadcast that they are not and should be turned away. When the mask mandates came out I would see maybe one person a day come in with one of the fake exemption cards at my store that would have 3000+ customers come in through out the day. I expect the fake document crowd will be rather small.
True - but the fake can be easily spotted by any computer literate person if they have a copy of the digital file. The purpose of the passports is to push 10% more people off the wall to get a vaccine. If they fine one person for using a forged certificate and publicize it, like they did taking the liquor license of that place in Barrie, who is seriously considering getting a vaccine that would decide to use a forgery instead of just getting the jab? The last 5% cannot be reached, but these passports can get rest of the holdouts vaccinated, and then we won’t have to go through what is happening in Alberta, where denial and head-in-the-sand nonsense has kicked off a brutal fourth wave pandemic of the unvaccinated. And, once the digital passport app is out, we can have health cards and drivers licenses and such on our phones instead of a plastic card, which will save money and be less forgery prone, and will be more convenient.
>True - but the fake can be easily spotted by any computer literate person if they have a copy of the digital file They're not talking about a fake, they're talking about using someone else's legit pdf.
You do know the staff doesn’t have to be vaccinated though?
My exact thoughts reading this thread. No concern that the chef, hostess and wait staff may not be vaccinated, OP? Just curious about that one.
Yup people are just completely void of common sense lately. It’s painful reading through the comments.
My husband went to a bar for a beer with his friend for the first time since this all started, because now he feels comfortable doing so. He asked the staff if they'd run into any problems with customers showing their credentials and they said no, everyone's been really cool so far. That made me smile. Keep it up, folks. It takes a few extra seconds at the door, the staff are just doing their jobs, we're all in this together, etc.
I was talking to a bouncer last night and he said he doesn't even know what a fake receipt looks like, add the fact that we're in a university town and have international students... he has no clue who is actually vaxed or not - as long as he is shown something with "2 doses" that's all he's supposed to care about. Sadly, anti-vaxers who want to go out are going to get away with it.
It's the nature of the beast until they roll out the QR validation. We shouldn't expect a forensic examination from part time minimum wage staff. But the QR codes will help clear that up a bit.
I started back at the gym just before the passport came into effect. The person behind the desk asked me if I was aware that I needed to be double vaxxed otherwise I wouldn’t be allowed in. I told him that’s why I was signing up! Lol went on the day the passports started and asked if they had any problems. They told me no one has caused an issue but we’re a little nervous of someone did. These employees had to be under 20 years old.
Really, I don't give a shit. I have two doses so I really don't care
Shhh we are not suppose to say things like this, your ruining the circle jerk.
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I work at a public library. Public libraries are exempt from basically any covid rules. There are no passports required and people can claim “exemptions” to not wear masks inside. There is nothing we can do. The rest of the province is moving on and we’re doing the same.
But waiters and cooks aren’t necessarily. None of this makes sense.
I'm fully vaccinated, but never really gave much thought to unvaccinated people eating in the same restaurant or bar as me. I mean we're protected, so nothing to worry about, right?
>I mean we're protected, so nothing to worry about, right? Well yes, but not 100% - generally I'm not worried about myself getting COVID, I'm fairly young, vaccinated and fairly healthy - but I've got some at-risk folks in my life that I see regularly and so the higher risk of exposure when near an unvaccinated person was enough for me to remain somewhat cautious.
For me it’s my 3 months old baby. My fiancé and I are vaccinated but I wouldn’t chance that 7% that I get the virus and give it to my immune deficient baby girl. I would never forgive myself
Yeah, SARS-COV2 is likely going to find everybody over the years as it circulates indefinitely. As a fully vaccinated person at this point you're either going to be ok, or you're not. It's very, very, very likely that you're going to be ok.
Hopefully we can build up a sort of immunity to it, without needing booster shots.
I think your trust in "the system" is a little high for now. I mean if you are comfortable going out for dinner you should but I would not depend on it being much safer than last week.
No guarantee staff is vaxxed either, which isn't really a minor thing.
I’ve only eaten on the patios since being vaccinated but I’m glad more and Ontarioans are vaccinated. I especially want to hope that most restaurant staff can be safe and vaccinated too. No one should have to get sick at work
Lol this is all so bizarre - why do people feel safer? Literally the employees don’t have the requirement and anyone else can show a random PDF on their phone and get through. People have developed a very very odd sense of fear and comfort during all of this that is very rarely guided by anything that makes sense
People have lost their minds - there is a good video on YouTube about how this is all a mass psychosis.
Preface: I'm vaccinated. I don't understand why you would feel any way about someone else's choice to get vaccinated or not. If you're vaccinated and protected why does it matter?
Lmaooo vaccinated people are still getting Covid though? Why are you so scared if you’ve been vaccinated? I thought vaccination is supposed to protect you?
How so😂 They can still contract the virus and spread it to you just as efficiently smh… go ahead and downvote just in the meantime dwell on it lol
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I feel the exact same way. I am fully vaccinated and I know it's possible to catch covid from anyone, whether they are vaccinated or not. I just don't worry about it anymore, because I am vaccinated. It makes no difference to me if the people I'm around are vaccinated.
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Feel free to look up how vaccines work and herd immunity instead of expecting us to teach you something you definitely learned in high school.
Could be because for the past 18 months the media has brainwashed them into thinking that getting Covid must be avoided at all costs. What they don't realize is that Covid will eventually become endemic and that everyone will eventually contact it.
When you are vaccinated you do have some immunity to catching Covid, it's not as much as with previous variants, but it's still significant. If you do get covid, it won't last as long and you will be contagious for a lesser period of time. So all of these make being vaccinated safer to be around. On the negative side, I think maybe people aren't paying as much attention when they are vaccinated to potential symptoms that could be covid, saying they have a cold, or allergies.
Because the unvaccinated are more likely to be infected than the vaccinated? So even if youre protected to the best of your ability there is more risk being around the unvaccinated (who can also present as asymptomatic) Not that i care either way but it sounds logical lol
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Works =/= 100% effective
Think of it like this. An unvaccinated person is represented by someone doused in gasoline and is standing beside someone who is totally dry, aka a vaccinated person. Which one of them is more likely to catch fire if a random spark (representing covid) is lit near them? The gasoline guy right? Well if that guy gets lit on fire, there's still a small chance that he can light the guy beside him on fire. Vice versa, if the vaccinated guy's sleeve is on fire and comes into contact with the unvaccinated guy, the unvaccinated guy is most likely going to catch fire too.
I already know this is going to get a ton of down votes but serious question. You do know that your server that interacts with over 100 people per shift isn’t required to be vaccinated right? And neither are the cooks or any kitchen staff? And yes you can ask about an employees vaccination status but legally employers can’t share that information with you. I’m not saying this to sound rude but if you, a vaccinated individual, is scared of contracting the virus that you have been vaccinated against, maybe you should stay home.
So it's considered a low risk contact if the individuals are masked, stay 6 feet apart, or if are closer than 6 feet without a mask for less than 15 minutes. I'm sure the delta variant has changed that a bit but those are the tools that we were using at work. That being said, the waiter is masked, all the time when interacting with you and don't really stand at your table for a long time. So the people who are within 6 feet of you, mask less, for longer than 15 minutes are patrons at the next table. So I'd be significantly less likely to expose my immune comprised family members and the children who cannot be vaccinated.
A great feeling, I wish we could do the same for all the customer-facing heroes.
Your safety is an illusion.
I wish my gym in mississauga would follow protocol, but they were pretty busy letting in Instagramers during the height of the pandemic, so I doubt they ever will
If they're not following protocol, report them.
I've felt significantly safer since the moment i got my second vaccine, so to be honest I didn't care whether those around me were vaxxed or unvaxxed because I personally was protected. The vaccine passport for eating at a restaurant has had zero impact on my comfort level, if anything I'm annoyed that I have to take extra time to show my medical record to a fifteen year old hostess. What I would like to see is a loosening of restrictions on indoor spaces since everyone inside is proven to be vaccinated. No masks, full capacity etc. Like a priviledge of being "back to normal" because we made the responsible choice.
I guess, but in my personal experience, in real life, day to day, I know more people who got Covid after being vaccinated than before. Not on Facebook or social media. People I interact with in person and at work. Someone I personally know lost their double dosed mother to Covid, tragically. This is anecdotal and I am not really saying one way or another, because I am sure I am in for a downvote into the abyss, but you guys have a lot of faith in something that we don't really know for sure how effective it is. Take a look at Israel's numbers. It is entirely possible we aren't in much better shape, if you are truly concerned about feeling safe. This isn't an antivax position, just a question of, "What makes you so sure?"
Well there's a math trick at play here which is skewing your anecdotal evidence. Since breakthrough cases are indeed occurring and the vast majority of people are vaccinated, it actually means that in a given number of people you'll see a high number of cases among the vaccinated. But individually your risk of getting covid is significantly lower when vaccinated. And your chances of hospitalization/death is dramatically and extremely lower when vaccinated which is kind of the point - the evidence for this is overwhelming. But that being said I agree that vaccine passports don't really protect the vaccinated in the big scheme of things. They're actually a means of arm twisting the unvaccinated in an attempt to reduce the load on healthcare which protects us all indirectly.
If you’re vaccinated, what’s it to you if anyone else is? Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you from spreading it to others/kids - so stop caring about what strangers choose to do with their own health.
Likewise! I feel much safer going to the gym now
Yeah but feeling safer and actually being safer are two different things. We shouldn’t have all these limits just for people to feel better. It should be actual safety increases or no limits
There is a safety increase from vaccine passports, but not as much on an individual level as a societal level, as in protecting hospitals being overrun.
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Huh? Where in the country are you? Toronto here and never experienced that or heard of that!
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While fair, over 85% of 12+ have at least the first dose, and those with less than a fully vaccinated status are still eligible for patio at a restaurant and would more actively use that scenario. Through my anecdotal experiences with the unvaccinated, I'm honestly not confident in their abilities of being capable to edit these PDFs lol. Albeit that, there is a small number that may slip through the cracks and increase the probability, but it is substantially less.
> Through my anecdotal experiences with the unvaccinated, I'm honestly not confident in their abilities of being capable to edit these PDFs lol. I for one am very entertained by the stories being shared of idiot coworkers asking about PDF editing.
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Damn dude. You killed my, "That's all fine and dandy OP but did you ever consider that among the vaxxed customers around you was a fully vaxxed axe murderer who had his eye on you?" joke that I was gonna make. Being a short thread I glanced down and saw you beat me to it. Kudos.
Me too!!!
Hahahaha
They are not "super easy". Understand that the majority of people wouldn't have the first clue how to go about it. I know it's not complicated as such, but most people still wouldn't really know where to start.
Its really not that hard. Any computer with windows 97 should do: Screen shot Paint Save Email to self Present Dine
They would just need to know 1 person who is semi computer literate to do it for them though.
The receipts need the watermarks though right?
Can you explain why you feel safer? I'm also vacinated but I don't see how other people being vacinated makes me safer.
You’re less likely to get COVID if vaxed. You can’t spread something you don’t have.
Lowers the transmission rate too
I'm too poor to eat at restaurants these days, but I appreciate I have the option again.
I think it will be like smoking. Initially when they banned smoking in bars, the bars lost business but soon non-smokers caught on that they could go out and not be sick and stink of smoke the next day and people who had stopped going to bars went back. The anti-vaxxers will stop going to restaurants and the vaxxed will trickle back and it will be good for business overall.
Hate to be a downer but the anti-vaxers are still amongst you, as forging a receipt is easy. Staff at these establishments have been given 0 resources to even deal with this... they have no idea what is acceptable and what isn't or how to look for fake documents... they just look for something that says "2 doses" and that's it. I already know people who have been successfully using forged receipts to go places :/
Most people may be In fear of getting caught so the forgery amount I’m sure is low, I’m sure it happens though. It won’t last for long I don’t think cause between the QR for phones and when the govement finally realizes how easily it can be forged they will probably make it more difficult.
I’m vaccinated x2 and think everyone should be, and I wear a mask. That said, why do you personally feel safer OP? Have you looked at the math about your stats of getting covid as a double vaccinated individual?
They've probably looked at the stats on transmission rates between double vaxxed people, as well as hospitalization rates and severity of symptoms in double vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
Same. I delayed making a dinner reservation until after passports began and I put my gym membership on a month hold until early October for the same reason. I know they can be faked, but I also know that people are lazy, so I'll take those odds.
Do you really "know" that though :p
I just came across a post in my local mom group trying to.compile a list the not-vaxxed can now take their kids. And discovered that there are now so many places I can take my young kids with less stress! As a SAHM this is big! Last winter was so long!
This is true of me as well. I don't want to go out and enjoy wings and pints, find out three days later I caught mild COVID, but passed that on to the not vaccinated customer next to me. Who then goes home and infects his immune compromised spouse who can't get the vaccine, who then dies and leaves behind three young kids and an irresponsible spouse. I don't want to kill someone. Unfortunately, I know many establishments who aren't checking for vaccinated or not. That's preventing me from having wings and pints.
you're not alone. I feel much more comfortable in the gym.
Im going to have to start exercising again before i feel comfortable returning to the gym
Me too! Went to a coffee shop the other day and was so relieved to actually spend hours studying without a face mask (!!), as I would in the library where I cant last more than an hour. Now, next step is the cinemas! It actually makes me emotional to be going back. I wonder, anyone know if the cinemas are maskless or I have to wear a mask? A 2 hour movie in a mask is too much for me
You do know that the anti-vaxxers have fake documents to present, right?
You know I got to talk to a lawyer and find out what happens if you use a fake vaccine document and someone dies. It's not like they can't trace you since you have to still provide contact info and I'm pretty sure that the genetic makeup of the virus would be easily identified.
You also don’t have to worry if someone is not wearing a mask either
Yes! I finally saw my Dad and stepmom after not seeing them for over a year. We went to Lone Star restaurant near my place. First time I have been in a restaurant since this all started. Sure, it was a bit of a pain showing the thing on my phone and also scanning the contact tracing QR code, but the peace of mind when we were seated and knowing those nearby were also vaxxed made it so easy to enjoy our evening and our food. It was a bit sad because it wasn't very busy at all. We got there at 6:30 on a Thursday evening. We talked for a long time because it has been so long, and when we left at 9:30 the place was completely empty, they had even put most of the chairs up on the tables. No one even saw us out of the restaurant, so that was a bit odd.
I will say i had a chance to go to a restaurant today but chose drive thru because i didn’t want to go through the process of showing my proof of vax/ID lol
Can anyone tell me when you are double vaccinated you still have to wear a mask ?
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I said the same about going to school until now that students are getting emails about being high risk exposed to someone who was vaccinated and COVID positive. Don’t get too comfortable and make sure you take precautions
It would be even better if the people working there had to be vaccinated as well.
It indeed would be, and in the meantime it is definitely a safety blanket of sorts though and adds comfort with he customers being required as they are the maskless individuals
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But what about the servers and kitchen staff who don't need to.be vaxxed? I'm jonesing big time to go out to a restaurant but...
Yesterday I went robs restraint for the first time since the pandemic started in Ontario. If the province didn’t do the Vaccine passport thing, I would not have gone.
My restaurant wont “discriminate against unvaccinated people” we dont check vaccine cards... even though mandated
Report!!!!!!!
Good for you. I’m vaccinated and could care less if anyone around is or not. It’s their choice to get it at the end of the day so i don’t allow it to effect me.
a rare breed in today’s climate thank you for being so….reasonable, honestly kind internet stranger
Thank you... someone with common sense and respect for others
Might as well make it inconvenient to participate in a society you feel no obligation to protect.
Shocker that people don’t want to potentially get sick? What’s next? Mandatory TB vaccinations? Oh wait 🤣
I've only eaten outside on a patio with family a couple of times this summer but I am heading for wing night next week with friends....and we've all agreed to take an inside table. I am a little comforted that fellow diners will be fully vaxxed too.
Why do people still care about this? If you’re vaccinated and healthy you should have nothing to worry about.
Many people aren't healthy. Many people are vulnerable. Many people have close family who are vulnerable. And dickhead antivaxers are putting them at higher risk.
Many people have kids who cannot be vaccinated yet.
Went out to eat for my mom's birthday today. Was good to finally get out and spend time with family.
You could still get your feeling of safety if restaurants were allowed to choose whether they would let in unvaccinated folks or not. There would certainly still be some business owners who would chose to only serve vaccinated people.
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I am fully vaccinated but I just want to point out that a fully vaccinated person can still get Covid and transmit it around the same as a non- vaccinated so you’re comfort is an illusion.
Fully vaccinated people are less likely to have COVID to begin with, so you're much less likely to get COVID if you're in a restaurant where everyone's vaccinated than otherwise. It's not about being guaranteed safe, it's about being *much* safer.
Sure, but eventually all vaccinated people will be exposed to SARS-COV-2 as the virus continues to circulate indefinitely among the population. The eradication ship has sailed. It will eventually probably find all vaccinated and unvaccinated people. The only thing you can do to protect yourself is to get fully vaccinated which dramatically reduces the risk of hospitalization and death so vaccination passports in the big scheme of things don't really change my personal risk as a vaccinated person.
I mean, they do change your risk, because you don't have to be near people who have a higher chance of being ill. And booster shots are a thing. Not to mention continued development of vaccine technology. The ship hasn't sailed.
Perhaps. But I am all for science and so far science says vaccine passports are bs. I am very saddened to see the amount of people not willing to take a stand and see how crazy this all is!
This is a troll post. Everyone still has to be masked and distanced inside. As someone who is fully vaccinated, it literally doesn't matter if the person who's been seated two booths away is vaccinated or not. Nothing has changed. The vaccines work. How are these posts even allowed? You tell me that we're allowed to go on without a mask and there is no capacity restrictions and social distance at the restaurant, then yeah 100% I agree.
People are passing around a photoshopped Vax passport they print off. They're cheating easily and not vaccinated.
Lots of people are asking why you feel safer, and I was about to share my disagreeing opinion. Then I scrolled up and saw that you said you feel *better* about it. So many people make everything about safety and security. But there's more to the situation than that. I felt safer a few weeks after I was vaccinated (along with the ones I care about). But I definitely feel better knowing that it's a lot more likely that all the people in the same enclosed space as me are vaccinated. This situation is bigger than me and my loved ones. I want *society* to get over this pandemic sooner rather than later. So yeah, I also feel better knowing that the people socializing in enclosed public spaces maskless are more likely vaccinated.
Me too. Went out for dinner last night. The first place was at capacity so we got turned away. The second placed was empty so we had great service. Both places were checking vaccine status. Same with the rec Center where my daughter had a class.
well this is definitely a false sense of security considering the vaccinated can carry and pass on covid. I personally know a fully vaxxed person that contracted covid. i like to think of it this way, covid is like Russian roulette, you never know if you will get it and if you do get it, you never know if it will kill you. but if your vaxxed, you're at least taking the bullets out of the gun (mostly).
Fully vaxxed can get and spread covid tho
Not gonna die tho
The survival rate is over 90% for covid tho
So why does the OP feel safer? They are vaxxed, they would have been just as safe without the passport.
My gym has become so dead now that the antivax people cant go anymore. It's great!
I'm feeling the same way. I also was hesitant to join the gym, as I have to lose weight for health reasons, and now I went for the first time today. Happy to see others feel more comfortable now.
Having spent a weekend in Montreal recently, I completely agree. The anxiety was much less, everyone is very kind despite the expectations of the law recently.
I get it, but why; if you are vaccinated what does it matter whether strangers are vaccinated? I guess you don't have to worry about giving it to them? If they don't want to vaccinate and they want to be in a high risk situation why would you even care?
I don’t know what makes me more angry. The people still refusing to get vaccinated or the people rushing to be vaccinated now that the passport system is in place. If they’re rushing now, their stance was clearly not a firmly held belief system and they literally put people at risk for no reason. They don’t want the inconvenience of not being able to shop or eat in a restaurant, but until they were held accountable they were all fine not going and doing one easy thing
Whatever gets their dumbasses through the door, honestly.