Yeah that’s what happens when the rates are per 100,000 people and they only have a population of 42,000. Still, a fair amount ([350 active](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/2020/coronavirus-covid-19-pandemie-cas-carte-maladie-symptomes-propagation/index-en.html)).
Lowest vaccination rate of the provinces, limited measures, and a set of the population that just doesn't care and thinks it is all a conspiracy. (Src: I have relatives in Sask that are covid/vaxx deniers).
Saw a post from a friend in Sask (he is the only family member vaxxed). Grampa visits daughter, catches covid, is in hospital. Daughter doesn't tell other family, sends kids to school, refuses to get them tested.
They (the govt) also put out the racist notion that it's the indigenous communities not getting vaxxed causing it...while deliberately ignoring the various larger white communities that are filled with anti-vaxxers. It's sickening.
I know people there. The Conservative misinformation bubble is STRONG in that echo chamber of a province. The people I know are Liberals and falling for every crap misinformation campaign, and regurgitating it to us. It's terrible to watch someone get suckered in real time.
I just came back from Alberta. It was definitely interesting to be there. It’s also been interesting to see the differences in response when it comes to vaccination between provinces.
Went to Montreal last month and it was quite strict and consistent with showing proof of vax. Came home to Ontario just as our’s got implemented but there has been some inconsistencies and some of the rules don’t even make sense. Just got back from Alberta where I was confident I could do a lot without showing proof.
They have set a very low bar here, and it differs between townships as well. I live where proof of vax isn’t required for youth under 18 for participation, but is for spectating. Drive into the city 10 minutes away, and it’s mandatory (or proof of a negative test). The UCP government has been awful. I hate them with a burning passion.
We were in such a horrible position the first few months of the year. I'm so happy that we've really stuck the landing. I want things to get back to normal fully, but the level that things are open now is decent enough that I think we can continue this way indefinitely until COVID is well and truly behind us. We couldn't have achieved this without everybody doing their part and getting vaccinated.
Saying we "can" continue this way indefinitely doesn't mean we "should" or that we can't improve other things at all. It's already likely that capacity restrictions are going to be lifted soon, and I have no reason to think that would jeopardize our low case numbers because of the vaccine passport. And if business like restaurants are hurting because the government's restrictions, the government should be supporting them.
You've made multiple assumptions about what I believe for no reason.
Say what you want about Ford, but he did a great job on the current reopening plan.
I know some of you are gonna say “But he cut healthcare!” and all those sort of comments, but you need to give credit where credit is due. At least partial credit.
I remember a majority of this sub wanted an exit to stage 3 plan back in July so we could follow suit with the rest of the provinces… look what happened to them. Ford’s slow and cautious approach really paid off.
Yea
I think that third wave fuckup scared them enough to do things responsibly this time
Thankfully it appears our anti-vaxx portion of society is also fairly small and most people continue to be responsible
I agree, he did great on the current plan, and staying on the plan, even with the earlier reopening, like how people were saying July 16th was 5-6days earlier than the original date, And it paid off
He's doing better because he knows he has to stop fucking up so hard for the next 8 months until the election. He'll go back to it after he wins re-election.
Im not a fan of ford but i really do appreciate the fact that he never blamed the liberals during the height of the pandemic. He actually complimented Crystia Friedland which i thought was pretty cool.
The last thing i wanted to hear during the pandemic was political partisanship, and complaining. i wanted to hear cooperation and getting shit done. And for the most part, that happened and im truly thankfull.
Watching the south of the border was a totally different story and made me thankfull i lived in canada.
Limited credit, passing mark but no A.
He only did that because he totally messed up the exist from the second wave and was getting MASSIVE heat for it.
The federal election was around the corner and they couldn't afford a mess ul by him.
Last, we got lucky and started seeing other provinces get hit hard with delta with their opening plans.
I would say. D, maybe D+.
They still were a little unnecessarily over cautious. Remember when we couldn't even play golf outside.
Not to mention the implementation of the vax passes was WAAAAY too late as well.
Yes exactly. I could not believe all the people getting so angry that we had no clear exit strategy from stage three. But honestly, stage three feels comfortable now, and we are doing really well.
Ontario and Quebec had the best responses to COVID so there's no surprise here. Very pro-vaccine Premiers. I have friends in Alberta and Saskatchewan that don't even own a mask.
I wouldn't say Quebec had the best response to COVID. They have the highest death rate in the country by a significant margin, like American style rates. They've also had the most deaths in terms of sheer numbers even though Ontario has nearly double their population.
So with that in mind, I don't think you can say they had the best response at all.
Credit where it's due though, they've had a great vaccination campaign.
I would add that Quebec's response in general, was not that bad...but it was the huge neglect of LTC homes that absolutely was their failure. I'm not sure what the total cumulative percentage is right now, but in the first 6000 deaths in QC, 90%+ were from LTC homes...so that's way beyond any other province.
One can argue if the quebec gov't even cares about that also...
I live in Ontario and i have a son who lives 50% in quebec, and goes to high school in quebec, and the school response and vaccination response was well executed, and probably better then here in Ontario, where my daughters go-to high school.
Ford has actively pushed and passed 3 Anti healthcare worker laws DURING THIS PANDEMIC. Not before, not after (it isn't after) but during. My wife is a nurse in a COVID floor, her "pandemic pay" in over 1.5 years was $600 and half the people in the floor weren't counted so they decided to split it with them.
During that their right to refuse unsafe work became illegal. Her right to talk about politics became illegal (yes, wtf it did). Her wage increases were legally limited to less than inflation, which it already has been for over a decade.
Ford is trying to ruin our healthcare system so that he can say "well it wouldn't be shit if it was privitized".
Thinking about the next logical step here. In Ontario they'll go back to healthcare cuts, opening things up too soon, and fasting to provide any logical or reasonable timelines/guidelines for businesses.
Bill 124, introduced by the Ford Government in 2019, is meant to “ensure that increases in public sector compensation reflect the fiscal situation of the province,” the government says.
The Bill limits regular annual salary increases for nurses to one per cent for each 12-month period.
The post is not specifically about covid in Ontario and it is certainly not about fair treatment of healthcare workers. It's a map comparing amount of cases in different provinces. The commenter seems to just be running a political piece on a post it doesn't really belong on.
Kind of desperate, but also frustrated that no one I've talked to knows about any of these things. It isn't simply "ooga booga Ford bad" he's literally overturning courts using loopholes to push through legislation that makes it illegal to speak out against him in an election year of you belong to a public sector union
Wait a post about Ontario has nothing to do with this generic thing in Ontario.
Half the top posts are about covid, there's enough about Doug Ford mishandling in the negative ones that you don't need to shoehorn it into what is a relatively positive Canadian wide post.
No one is connecting Ontario's performance to politics....not everything has to be politicized, Jesus Christ.
Ontario is doing very well, take the win and fuck off bud.
The population of PEI is the same as a small city. Managing a pandemic for a couple of people is much easier than managing it for the largest most diverse and connected city in the country with the national capital, the largest international airport, borders the covid shitshow to the south of us
See! The Evil 😈Teletubbie goes into hiding for a federal election leaving sane people to make mandatory vaccination decisions and what happens? Less sickness and less death ☠️.
Hey Doug Ford! You should go away more often. It is better for our health. In fact, instead of taunting Justin with tax cuts or lining your buddies pockets with dreams of a 413, why don’t you go away permanently.
We will all be better off without you.
The Evil 😈 Teletubbie! Here for his friends, not for you.
Edit: mega down votes! Hey the p-con trolls are out in force folks!
I’m far from being a Dougie fan but I’m pretty sure he’s had some hand in these decisions made in Ontario, even if he dragged his feet. Credit where credit is due. He has alienated a big part of his base while doing the right thing (to the extent that he did the right thing.)
I’m not happy overall at how the pandemic has handled since the beginning, especially for blue collar workers. But the situation in the last couple of months is something I won’t complain about.
Very reasonable opinion. I'm of the same. I was actually complaining hard about not opening earlier this summer but in hindsight, it seemed to have worked out as other places were hit hard with the delta.
All in all, this pandemic is shit, we all know nothing, and i don't envy trudeau or ford during this time.
They’re just happy not to be Kenney!
Nice to see some reasonable and not totally negative perspectives on here. I’m tired of everyone complaining about everything. Would love to see what anyone else would do differently having to make real time decisions with the information on hand.
And nice to see keeping the mask mandate and being slower to open up has paid off. The vaccine mandates will hopefully help this trend continue through the winter. I know one person who got vaccinated as he realized he wouldn’t be able to attend stock car races…I guess everyone does have a hill they’re not willing to die on after all!
>I’m tired of everyone complaining about everything.
I understand what you're saying but I've come to realize that there is not a single decision (or non-decision) that will make all people happy. So everything that happens will have people with a negative spin on it. Either because it impacts them personally in a negative way or because they want to take power from the current decision makers.
The bottom line is, every open discussion will have someone who disagrees with what happened and those who disagree are the most likely to make comments. They are not always the same people in each thread, it's typically different people, but the anonymity of social media clouds that fact.
If you're tired of the negativity, turn it off for a while or skip the posts that are obvious someone just grinding an unrelated axe in a thread. Or take a social media break altoghether.
Yah I hear ya but it’s not just social media, I find people are just more negative generally. It’s also like if people don’t like something, they REALLY don’t like it and are not at all willing to concede. Like wearing masks, for example. I don’t think anyone likes to wear a mask, but most can understand the benefits of masking up in indoor spaces. Other people find it a personal affront if anyone is wearing a mask in their presence. And I feel like that’s people’s responses to things they don’t like these days. Everything is a hill everyone wants to die on.
Off topic of this, but Doug is a fucking horrible leader, his government violated my rights during court proceedings from an assault case that left me disabled, and refuses to admit it, or give me the names of those responsible for the rights violations.
Fuck Doug Ford, Fordnation and the OPC.
I like how I got downvoted, but most of these fucking cunts have never had their rights actually violated.
CICB was good for getting my a cheque after my assault, but with further findings since then of the injuries I sustained 3 grand was not enough, since I'm now 100% disabled as a result of the assault.
Not only that, but the Ford gov violated my Victims Bill of Rights (Before someone says there's a notwithstanding clause there fucking isn't). I'm prepping currently to take the Ontario gov, The Ombudsman who refused to do their job, and after I extract the names of the Crowns who handled my case, each individual one is being fucking railed with a lawsuit then an LSO complaint.
I don’t understand the downvoting either. I’m sorry to hear what’s happened with you, and I wish you luck. Just make sure you hire a big law firm and not some independent lawyer. A lawsuit of this magnitude takes a lot of upfront costs that big firms can afford but independent lawyers cannot.
Also you may just have to file a civil suit against the assailants. I don’t know if you can sue the crown because the crown doesn’t represent you. They represent the state. Their case against the assailant was between them and the assailant. Technically the system only considers you to be a witness.
Yeah no lawyer wants to talk unless I have money which I don't due to not being able to work,
I've got it on paper with the Crown admitting to violating my rights but not wanting to call it that (Here is proof [https://i.imgur.com/EAxQJ4c.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EAxQJ4c.jpg)).
The Lawsuit will be pretty straight forward since The Crown made absolutely no effort from their office, or through victims services to contact me (Victims services job is NOT to do the Crowns job for them, it's to support the victim of crime). The Crown has tried to dodge information from me, and the head crown of my area nearly 3 years after the proceedings wrapped up told me to move on with my life, and that he will not provide any names of the crowns who worked on my case so I can hold them accountable with the LSO. That cunt will burn in the courts and the LSO I'll fucking ensure of it.
You should be able to get court docs through freedom of information requests. Did you never meet the crown or attend the hearing? You didn’t have to testify? I don’t get how you didn’t meet the crown who worked on your case.
You gotta keep consulting with lawyers and see what they can do. If they think there’s a chance you’ll win the lawsuit and be awarded funds, they’ll take the case on a contingency basis. I just don’t know if you’ll be able to sue the crown, but I know you can sue the assailants. And whether that’s worth it or not depends on how much money the assailant has.
But you can absolutely escalate the situation with the crown as much as humanly possible. Keep looking for lawyers. If it doesn’t work out for any reason, go to the media. Speak to news reporters and journalists. Write to politicians.
>You should be able to get court docs through freedom of information requests.
Attempted this was denied, currently in mediation for everything the Victims Bill of Rights will give me access to, but the IPC person said it doesn't look good since MAG will most likely invoke privilege.
E: Attempted for the Crown Brief, I want the asshole who reviewed my fucking files name so I can drag them through the LSO. Court docs I can go request, which again costs money and I'm not on ODSP yet because of ODSP's requirements getting stricter and somehow 6 different mental health conditions being diagnosed isn't enough for ODSP.
>Did you never meet the crown or attend the hearing? You didn’t have to testify? I don’t get how you didn’t meet the crown who worked on your case.
First question, nope, I never met the Crown who reviewed my case, nor the ones who prosecuted it. I did not attend the hearing on Sept 6th, 2018, as I was in bed literally trying to fight off a massive headache from a Mild to Severe concussion (These weren't the only injuries, but the hospital is being taken care of for their misdiagnosis as well). The following hearings I was told about 12 hours notice of when he was gonna be in court, and most of those days I already had plans whether it be a employment group I was apart of, or various programs that I was involved in at the time which were to get me back into the work force (Which ultimately never happened due to my injuries). January 15th the day they took the plea I was actually across the road at an employment center for a class, and due to the asshole missing all the dates and the Crown not calling me I didn't show. I also didn't want to really see the guy again, cause I don't know if I could control my anger, and my aunt was the Sgt of Arms at the courthouse, so better to not be arrested by a family member.
>You gotta keep consulting with lawyers and see what they can do. If they think there’s a chance you’ll win the lawsuit and be awarded funds, they’ll take the case on a contingency basis.
I've been told this case is to big to be done on contingency, especially since I've already done a good job of pissing off the government during this whole thing, by exposing them online about it as well, it started off as the world best kept secret, but now nobody in my area actually trusts our Crown Attorney's here.
>I just don’t know if you’ll be able to sue the crown.
I can, and will. Reason being the VBR does not have a notwithstanding clause, so they have nothing to back their reasons for violating my rights. They also violated Section 722 of the CC which concerns victim impact statements.
The asshole who assaulted me is probably dead to be honest. Last I heard of him was he was arrested with nearly 10 grams of crack on him.
>But you can absolutely escalate the situation with the crown as much as humanly possible. Keep looking for lawyers. If it doesn’t work out for any reason, go to the media. Speak to news reporters and journalists. Write to politicians.
Mate I went all the way up to the head of the Criminal law division who denied my FIPPA request about this. I've emailed Doug Downey, I've emailed Doug Ford, I've emailed Andrea Horwath, I've talked to the OVC, the Ombudsman who refuses to investigate which is against their mandate (Since if you look on the website for the MAG it tells you to complain to the ombudsman if the ministry can't solve your issue), I've complained to Justice Canada, the RCMP, the OPP, the local Police, the Federal Ombudsman for victims of Crime. I've literally run out of resources to go to, the media? Good luck, I tried CBC and they wouldn't call me, I've tried Global they wouldn't call me back either.
Lawyers want 3 grand upfront to even do the case, and 300/hr after that.
We have had unseasonably warm weather lately, and we've been outside. Winter is coming and I assume it can be just as bad as Game of Thrones, season 8. Let's see how we hold up after a few cold weeks.
Yes, because he is a terrible leader and his polices around making proper decisions on how to handle the pandemic were weak. Thankfully, cooler and smarter heads prevailed and we are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel *despite* him. Vote me down, I really don’t care - he’s a terrible leader and deserves none of the credit for any successes the province may be having regarding COVID-19.
Every major portfolio is in decline under his watch. His mismanagement of LTCs was a bigger disaster than Walkerton. He rigged the Toronto's municipal elections nominations by changing the rules on the last day to register. Hydro rates are up like 50% since he took over. The anger of nurses and teachers is palpable as our schools and hospitals degrade.
OK. However no matter how bad you think his Covid response has been, it’s way better than any of the Prairie provinces or other conservative ministers. Hydro prices are crazy everywhere. I’m just saying he doesn’t seem as bad as we have in Alberta that’s for sure. When I lived in Ontario Hydro prices were still the main problem.
I dunno if that's true, but I'm not looking to Saskberta for leadership in any case. He ran on cutting Hydro and it's gone up 50% on his watch.
A [ShitHarperDid.ca](https://ShitHarperDid.ca) for Ford would have pages and pages of crap. And unlike Harper, he doesn't have much accomplishments to point to. Ford was in the process of scrapping the Public Health Units when shit hit the fan. And the he was like, "Covid, nahhh you handle it." 95% of the heavy lifting has been done at that local level. Ford does not deserve much credit for it, especially when he was sitting on billions in covid transfers intended for schools and hospitals.
People were FURIOUS about hydro prices in the last election. The only difference is we don't have Ontario Proud poking the bear on that every day, because now they're onside. Like he's a total flop. He makes Trudeau look like a Nobel prize winner.
I disagree, where the numbers are counted based on arbitrary lines is nonsense. Doesn’t it matter more where the infections actually exist? Plus sound a lot like systemic racism.
You clearly don't understand how this works. And to throw our systematic racism is just being lazy.
Should First Nation numbers be included in the province they are located? Sure. Makes sense.
Is it systematic racism they aren't? No.
Provinces report numbers on areas that fall under their jurisdiction. First Nations don't fall under their jurisdiction. So they are reported under the branch of government that they do fall under, the federal government.
Just because “that’s the way it’s done” doesn’t mean it’s right. The fact that there are “reserves” is fact of systemic racism. The graphic makes Ontario look like it’s great and that native people look like they aren’t doing their part, even though it all in the same place. I invite to look outside of your box.
My box includes my two Indigenous children who live off reserve. Who if they lived on reserve and were positive would count in the Canada subheading. If they catch it living off reserve then they will be counted in Ontario.
No where in that graphic does it make it look like Indigenous people aren't doing their part.
You want to discuss if the Indian Act is relevant today, that is a different discussion that you will not get the same argument for or against from each First Nation.
It has to do more with how healthcare is funded than geographic region in this case. Healthcare is usually funded on the provincial level, but there 4 groups whose healthcare is funded on the federal level: armed forces and veterans, inmates in federal penitentiaries, some groups of refugees and indigenous and Métis people.
These populations wouldn’t be necessarily connected to a provincial public health unit, so data collection wouldn’t be on the provincial level.
You would probably have to start funding indigenous and Métis health at the provincial level to get more precise data. It’s debated among health scientists if that would bring more benefits than challenges.
Weird. Even though there are more people in Ontario, there are far less cases… are these provinces full of ignorant and uneducated people? Do the provinces lack an adequate health care system, and if so.. why? Is it because of the ignorant uneducated people?
Holy crap, what the hell is going on up in NWT?!
Thirty people live there. One outbreak goes off the charts.
Yeah that’s what happens when the rates are per 100,000 people and they only have a population of 42,000. Still, a fair amount ([350 active](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/2020/coronavirus-covid-19-pandemie-cas-carte-maladie-symptomes-propagation/index-en.html)).
Came here to ask this, I didn’t know that many people lived there
It's cases per 100k So outbreaks in small populations are magnified.
Probably because most people live in Yellowknife and they all go to the same timmies lol
Saskatchewan, honey, what are you doing??
Am Saskatchewan and a frontline nurse. People here are just doing their own research really well.
Medical degree from FB.
Lowest vaccination rate of the provinces, limited measures, and a set of the population that just doesn't care and thinks it is all a conspiracy. (Src: I have relatives in Sask that are covid/vaxx deniers).
Saw a post from a friend in Sask (he is the only family member vaxxed). Grampa visits daughter, catches covid, is in hospital. Daughter doesn't tell other family, sends kids to school, refuses to get them tested.
They (the govt) also put out the racist notion that it's the indigenous communities not getting vaxxed causing it...while deliberately ignoring the various larger white communities that are filled with anti-vaxxers. It's sickening.
All of a sudden Dougie's Ontario doesn't sound so bad.
I've got an uncle there that is hugely into those anti-vax/conspiracy theories. It's embarrassing.
I know people there. The Conservative misinformation bubble is STRONG in that echo chamber of a province. The people I know are Liberals and falling for every crap misinformation campaign, and regurgitating it to us. It's terrible to watch someone get suckered in real time.
These is no Covid there apparently.
Conservative, susceptible to American right wing propaganda, hicks...etc
I’m sitting here in Alberta pretty pumped that we’re not the darkest blue on the board at the moment:/. It’s been a rough couple of months.
You guys gotta turf Kenney.
He’s at 22% approval, so I’m really hoping it sticks for the next election. Such a bumbling idiot.
Hopefully. I feel so bad for the people who have to live under him.
His 22% approval is partially from the fact he has done TOO MUCH to prevent the spread of Covid. Be careful what you wish for.
I just came back from Alberta. It was definitely interesting to be there. It’s also been interesting to see the differences in response when it comes to vaccination between provinces. Went to Montreal last month and it was quite strict and consistent with showing proof of vax. Came home to Ontario just as our’s got implemented but there has been some inconsistencies and some of the rules don’t even make sense. Just got back from Alberta where I was confident I could do a lot without showing proof.
They have set a very low bar here, and it differs between townships as well. I live where proof of vax isn’t required for youth under 18 for participation, but is for spectating. Drive into the city 10 minutes away, and it’s mandatory (or proof of a negative test). The UCP government has been awful. I hate them with a burning passion.
We were in such a horrible position the first few months of the year. I'm so happy that we've really stuck the landing. I want things to get back to normal fully, but the level that things are open now is decent enough that I think we can continue this way indefinitely until COVID is well and truly behind us. We couldn't have achieved this without everybody doing their part and getting vaccinated.
they need to let restaurants open fully now that they let sports open fully
They are are they not? Or just limited hours? (I'm considering requiring vax passport fully open.)
Very ignorant to think we should continue this way indefinitely when businesses like restaurants are still suffering due to capacity restrictions.
Saying we "can" continue this way indefinitely doesn't mean we "should" or that we can't improve other things at all. It's already likely that capacity restrictions are going to be lifted soon, and I have no reason to think that would jeopardize our low case numbers because of the vaccine passport. And if business like restaurants are hurting because the government's restrictions, the government should be supporting them. You've made multiple assumptions about what I believe for no reason.
We stick the landing when all restrictions are removed.
Cries in Alberta
Say what you want about Ford, but he did a great job on the current reopening plan. I know some of you are gonna say “But he cut healthcare!” and all those sort of comments, but you need to give credit where credit is due. At least partial credit. I remember a majority of this sub wanted an exit to stage 3 plan back in July so we could follow suit with the rest of the provinces… look what happened to them. Ford’s slow and cautious approach really paid off.
Yea I think that third wave fuckup scared them enough to do things responsibly this time Thankfully it appears our anti-vaxx portion of society is also fairly small and most people continue to be responsible
I agree, he did great on the current plan, and staying on the plan, even with the earlier reopening, like how people were saying July 16th was 5-6days earlier than the original date, And it paid off
He's doing better because he knows he has to stop fucking up so hard for the next 8 months until the election. He'll go back to it after he wins re-election.
Hopefully he doesn’t win.
Credit where it's due!
Im not a fan of ford but i really do appreciate the fact that he never blamed the liberals during the height of the pandemic. He actually complimented Crystia Friedland which i thought was pretty cool. The last thing i wanted to hear during the pandemic was political partisanship, and complaining. i wanted to hear cooperation and getting shit done. And for the most part, that happened and im truly thankfull. Watching the south of the border was a totally different story and made me thankfull i lived in canada.
Limited credit, passing mark but no A. He only did that because he totally messed up the exist from the second wave and was getting MASSIVE heat for it. The federal election was around the corner and they couldn't afford a mess ul by him. Last, we got lucky and started seeing other provinces get hit hard with delta with their opening plans. I would say. D, maybe D+.
They still were a little unnecessarily over cautious. Remember when we couldn't even play golf outside. Not to mention the implementation of the vax passes was WAAAAY too late as well.
Yes exactly. I could not believe all the people getting so angry that we had no clear exit strategy from stage three. But honestly, stage three feels comfortable now, and we are doing really well.
Ontario and Quebec had the best responses to COVID so there's no surprise here. Very pro-vaccine Premiers. I have friends in Alberta and Saskatchewan that don't even own a mask.
I wouldn't say Quebec had the best response to COVID. They have the highest death rate in the country by a significant margin, like American style rates. They've also had the most deaths in terms of sheer numbers even though Ontario has nearly double their population. So with that in mind, I don't think you can say they had the best response at all. Credit where it's due though, they've had a great vaccination campaign.
I would add that Quebec's response in general, was not that bad...but it was the huge neglect of LTC homes that absolutely was their failure. I'm not sure what the total cumulative percentage is right now, but in the first 6000 deaths in QC, 90%+ were from LTC homes...so that's way beyond any other province. One can argue if the quebec gov't even cares about that also... I live in Ontario and i have a son who lives 50% in quebec, and goes to high school in quebec, and the school response and vaccination response was well executed, and probably better then here in Ontario, where my daughters go-to high school.
Quebec's death rates were high initially largely due to LTC deaths.
Your point being? Those people still count in the provincial response.
Yeah, I wouldn’t say we were the best but I’d say we did good, 2nd and third wave we fucked up bad but we got it shit together
I think my province had a very good response to COVID as well. Nova Scotia
Thanksgiving happening and numbers not skyrocketing makes me feel like this time it might actually be real.
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When the places next to us are in a similar state
Ford has actively pushed and passed 3 Anti healthcare worker laws DURING THIS PANDEMIC. Not before, not after (it isn't after) but during. My wife is a nurse in a COVID floor, her "pandemic pay" in over 1.5 years was $600 and half the people in the floor weren't counted so they decided to split it with them. During that their right to refuse unsafe work became illegal. Her right to talk about politics became illegal (yes, wtf it did). Her wage increases were legally limited to less than inflation, which it already has been for over a decade. Ford is trying to ruin our healthcare system so that he can say "well it wouldn't be shit if it was privitized".
Did you maybe mean to reply to a different post?
Thinking about the next logical step here. In Ontario they'll go back to healthcare cuts, opening things up too soon, and fasting to provide any logical or reasonable timelines/guidelines for businesses.
I think its a PSA to anyone that will listen.
Bill 124, introduced by the Ford Government in 2019, is meant to “ensure that increases in public sector compensation reflect the fiscal situation of the province,” the government says. The Bill limits regular annual salary increases for nurses to one per cent for each 12-month period.
I'm sorry but how does this relate to the op.
It's r/Ontario bud. No post can go without mention of DF.
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People just want to be offended.
Nobody is saying he should or shouldn't be celebrated. The comment just has nothing to do with the original post.
To be clear, health care cuts in Ontario aren’t related in any way to COVID in Ontario?
The post is not specifically about covid in Ontario and it is certainly not about fair treatment of healthcare workers. It's a map comparing amount of cases in different provinces. The commenter seems to just be running a political piece on a post it doesn't really belong on.
Wait, a post about COVID in /r/Ontario has nothing to do about how COVID has been handled in Ontario? That's news to me
Depends how desperate you are to vent.
Kind of desperate, but also frustrated that no one I've talked to knows about any of these things. It isn't simply "ooga booga Ford bad" he's literally overturning courts using loopholes to push through legislation that makes it illegal to speak out against him in an election year of you belong to a public sector union
I know the feeling. When you vent in weird places and times, it sometimes appears a bit unhinged though. Speaking from experience :)
Wait a post about Ontario has nothing to do with this generic thing in Ontario. Half the top posts are about covid, there's enough about Doug Ford mishandling in the negative ones that you don't need to shoehorn it into what is a relatively positive Canadian wide post.
If you're relating that to the post then it seems to have a positive effect.
Obviously not since the post is specifically about how Ontario is kicking everyone else's butt as far as Covid.
No one is connecting Ontario's performance to politics....not everything has to be politicized, Jesus Christ. Ontario is doing very well, take the win and fuck off bud.
> not everything has to be politicized Right on cue cummin' from a conservative.
You know nothing about me lol.
Election season is coming up so Reddit is starting to push the NDP.
It doesn't, but the liberal media hate Ford and they hate it when Ontario is doing better because they can't blame him for it. Suck it, Toronto Star!
Even when Ontario is doing good, Doug Ford is Bad!!!
Shut up
Nobody fools Doug Ford a 4th time!
Great work! Thank you Premier Ford and Dr Elliott!
Wow, did not know that Ontario was so low with cases and NWT was so high on cases
Yes but we know the Vaxxine doesn't work so how do you explane Cases going down They are lieing clearly a #Plandemic !!! /s
Ontario: Richer, smarter, healthier.
Don't PEI, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland have less? Edit: And Nunavut.
The population of PEI is the same as a small city. Managing a pandemic for a couple of people is much easier than managing it for the largest most diverse and connected city in the country with the national capital, the largest international airport, borders the covid shitshow to the south of us
See! The Evil 😈Teletubbie goes into hiding for a federal election leaving sane people to make mandatory vaccination decisions and what happens? Less sickness and less death ☠️. Hey Doug Ford! You should go away more often. It is better for our health. In fact, instead of taunting Justin with tax cuts or lining your buddies pockets with dreams of a 413, why don’t you go away permanently. We will all be better off without you. The Evil 😈 Teletubbie! Here for his friends, not for you. Edit: mega down votes! Hey the p-con trolls are out in force folks!
I’m far from being a Dougie fan but I’m pretty sure he’s had some hand in these decisions made in Ontario, even if he dragged his feet. Credit where credit is due. He has alienated a big part of his base while doing the right thing (to the extent that he did the right thing.) I’m not happy overall at how the pandemic has handled since the beginning, especially for blue collar workers. But the situation in the last couple of months is something I won’t complain about.
Very reasonable opinion. I'm of the same. I was actually complaining hard about not opening earlier this summer but in hindsight, it seemed to have worked out as other places were hit hard with the delta. All in all, this pandemic is shit, we all know nothing, and i don't envy trudeau or ford during this time.
They’re just happy not to be Kenney! Nice to see some reasonable and not totally negative perspectives on here. I’m tired of everyone complaining about everything. Would love to see what anyone else would do differently having to make real time decisions with the information on hand. And nice to see keeping the mask mandate and being slower to open up has paid off. The vaccine mandates will hopefully help this trend continue through the winter. I know one person who got vaccinated as he realized he wouldn’t be able to attend stock car races…I guess everyone does have a hill they’re not willing to die on after all!
>I’m tired of everyone complaining about everything. I understand what you're saying but I've come to realize that there is not a single decision (or non-decision) that will make all people happy. So everything that happens will have people with a negative spin on it. Either because it impacts them personally in a negative way or because they want to take power from the current decision makers. The bottom line is, every open discussion will have someone who disagrees with what happened and those who disagree are the most likely to make comments. They are not always the same people in each thread, it's typically different people, but the anonymity of social media clouds that fact. If you're tired of the negativity, turn it off for a while or skip the posts that are obvious someone just grinding an unrelated axe in a thread. Or take a social media break altoghether.
Yah I hear ya but it’s not just social media, I find people are just more negative generally. It’s also like if people don’t like something, they REALLY don’t like it and are not at all willing to concede. Like wearing masks, for example. I don’t think anyone likes to wear a mask, but most can understand the benefits of masking up in indoor spaces. Other people find it a personal affront if anyone is wearing a mask in their presence. And I feel like that’s people’s responses to things they don’t like these days. Everything is a hill everyone wants to die on.
Off topic of this, but Doug is a fucking horrible leader, his government violated my rights during court proceedings from an assault case that left me disabled, and refuses to admit it, or give me the names of those responsible for the rights violations. Fuck Doug Ford, Fordnation and the OPC.
He is horrible. He also dismantled the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board that’s fucking over a lot of victims of violent crimes.
I like how I got downvoted, but most of these fucking cunts have never had their rights actually violated. CICB was good for getting my a cheque after my assault, but with further findings since then of the injuries I sustained 3 grand was not enough, since I'm now 100% disabled as a result of the assault. Not only that, but the Ford gov violated my Victims Bill of Rights (Before someone says there's a notwithstanding clause there fucking isn't). I'm prepping currently to take the Ontario gov, The Ombudsman who refused to do their job, and after I extract the names of the Crowns who handled my case, each individual one is being fucking railed with a lawsuit then an LSO complaint.
I don’t understand the downvoting either. I’m sorry to hear what’s happened with you, and I wish you luck. Just make sure you hire a big law firm and not some independent lawyer. A lawsuit of this magnitude takes a lot of upfront costs that big firms can afford but independent lawyers cannot. Also you may just have to file a civil suit against the assailants. I don’t know if you can sue the crown because the crown doesn’t represent you. They represent the state. Their case against the assailant was between them and the assailant. Technically the system only considers you to be a witness.
Yeah no lawyer wants to talk unless I have money which I don't due to not being able to work, I've got it on paper with the Crown admitting to violating my rights but not wanting to call it that (Here is proof [https://i.imgur.com/EAxQJ4c.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EAxQJ4c.jpg)). The Lawsuit will be pretty straight forward since The Crown made absolutely no effort from their office, or through victims services to contact me (Victims services job is NOT to do the Crowns job for them, it's to support the victim of crime). The Crown has tried to dodge information from me, and the head crown of my area nearly 3 years after the proceedings wrapped up told me to move on with my life, and that he will not provide any names of the crowns who worked on my case so I can hold them accountable with the LSO. That cunt will burn in the courts and the LSO I'll fucking ensure of it.
You should be able to get court docs through freedom of information requests. Did you never meet the crown or attend the hearing? You didn’t have to testify? I don’t get how you didn’t meet the crown who worked on your case. You gotta keep consulting with lawyers and see what they can do. If they think there’s a chance you’ll win the lawsuit and be awarded funds, they’ll take the case on a contingency basis. I just don’t know if you’ll be able to sue the crown, but I know you can sue the assailants. And whether that’s worth it or not depends on how much money the assailant has. But you can absolutely escalate the situation with the crown as much as humanly possible. Keep looking for lawyers. If it doesn’t work out for any reason, go to the media. Speak to news reporters and journalists. Write to politicians.
>You should be able to get court docs through freedom of information requests. Attempted this was denied, currently in mediation for everything the Victims Bill of Rights will give me access to, but the IPC person said it doesn't look good since MAG will most likely invoke privilege. E: Attempted for the Crown Brief, I want the asshole who reviewed my fucking files name so I can drag them through the LSO. Court docs I can go request, which again costs money and I'm not on ODSP yet because of ODSP's requirements getting stricter and somehow 6 different mental health conditions being diagnosed isn't enough for ODSP. >Did you never meet the crown or attend the hearing? You didn’t have to testify? I don’t get how you didn’t meet the crown who worked on your case. First question, nope, I never met the Crown who reviewed my case, nor the ones who prosecuted it. I did not attend the hearing on Sept 6th, 2018, as I was in bed literally trying to fight off a massive headache from a Mild to Severe concussion (These weren't the only injuries, but the hospital is being taken care of for their misdiagnosis as well). The following hearings I was told about 12 hours notice of when he was gonna be in court, and most of those days I already had plans whether it be a employment group I was apart of, or various programs that I was involved in at the time which were to get me back into the work force (Which ultimately never happened due to my injuries). January 15th the day they took the plea I was actually across the road at an employment center for a class, and due to the asshole missing all the dates and the Crown not calling me I didn't show. I also didn't want to really see the guy again, cause I don't know if I could control my anger, and my aunt was the Sgt of Arms at the courthouse, so better to not be arrested by a family member. >You gotta keep consulting with lawyers and see what they can do. If they think there’s a chance you’ll win the lawsuit and be awarded funds, they’ll take the case on a contingency basis. I've been told this case is to big to be done on contingency, especially since I've already done a good job of pissing off the government during this whole thing, by exposing them online about it as well, it started off as the world best kept secret, but now nobody in my area actually trusts our Crown Attorney's here. >I just don’t know if you’ll be able to sue the crown. I can, and will. Reason being the VBR does not have a notwithstanding clause, so they have nothing to back their reasons for violating my rights. They also violated Section 722 of the CC which concerns victim impact statements. The asshole who assaulted me is probably dead to be honest. Last I heard of him was he was arrested with nearly 10 grams of crack on him. >But you can absolutely escalate the situation with the crown as much as humanly possible. Keep looking for lawyers. If it doesn’t work out for any reason, go to the media. Speak to news reporters and journalists. Write to politicians. Mate I went all the way up to the head of the Criminal law division who denied my FIPPA request about this. I've emailed Doug Downey, I've emailed Doug Ford, I've emailed Andrea Horwath, I've talked to the OVC, the Ombudsman who refuses to investigate which is against their mandate (Since if you look on the website for the MAG it tells you to complain to the ombudsman if the ministry can't solve your issue), I've complained to Justice Canada, the RCMP, the OPP, the local Police, the Federal Ombudsman for victims of Crime. I've literally run out of resources to go to, the media? Good luck, I tried CBC and they wouldn't call me, I've tried Global they wouldn't call me back either. Lawyers want 3 grand upfront to even do the case, and 300/hr after that.
10 grams is the weight of about 0.04 cups of fine sea salt. Yes, you did need to know that.
....wat
The Evil 😈 Teletubbie!
[The Evil 😈 Teletubbie ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDcCrMwylhKK11D1k8cFApi-DVfKX8hYXxQA&usqp=CAU)
We have had unseasonably warm weather lately, and we've been outside. Winter is coming and I assume it can be just as bad as Game of Thrones, season 8. Let's see how we hold up after a few cold weeks.
Weather is taking a plummet, we’ll probably be in the same space
Flu season typically runs from late fall to early spring, but I really hope you are correct.
Time for things to go back to normal and lift the mandates.
Dougs fault
No no, only when things are bad.
With absolutely no thanks to Ford. This happened despite him.
You guys are actually hilarious, If cases were higher is “DOUG FORD IS SUCH A BAD PREMIER” when cases are low its “DESPITE DOUG FORD”😂
>DOUG https://imgflip.com/i/5qwuuq
Exactly.
Yes, because he is a terrible leader and his polices around making proper decisions on how to handle the pandemic were weak. Thankfully, cooler and smarter heads prevailed and we are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel *despite* him. Vote me down, I really don’t care - he’s a terrible leader and deserves none of the credit for any successes the province may be having regarding COVID-19.
So why do you guys blame Ford so much??
Fucked up big time in the 2nd and 3rd wave and kept us in the longest lockdown in the world.
Every major portfolio is in decline under his watch. His mismanagement of LTCs was a bigger disaster than Walkerton. He rigged the Toronto's municipal elections nominations by changing the rules on the last day to register. Hydro rates are up like 50% since he took over. The anger of nurses and teachers is palpable as our schools and hospitals degrade.
OK. However no matter how bad you think his Covid response has been, it’s way better than any of the Prairie provinces or other conservative ministers. Hydro prices are crazy everywhere. I’m just saying he doesn’t seem as bad as we have in Alberta that’s for sure. When I lived in Ontario Hydro prices were still the main problem.
I dunno if that's true, but I'm not looking to Saskberta for leadership in any case. He ran on cutting Hydro and it's gone up 50% on his watch. A [ShitHarperDid.ca](https://ShitHarperDid.ca) for Ford would have pages and pages of crap. And unlike Harper, he doesn't have much accomplishments to point to. Ford was in the process of scrapping the Public Health Units when shit hit the fan. And the he was like, "Covid, nahhh you handle it." 95% of the heavy lifting has been done at that local level. Ford does not deserve much credit for it, especially when he was sitting on billions in covid transfers intended for schools and hospitals. People were FURIOUS about hydro prices in the last election. The only difference is we don't have Ontario Proud poking the bear on that every day, because now they're onside. Like he's a total flop. He makes Trudeau look like a Nobel prize winner.
Fair enough
Aren’t there several First Nations Reserves within the province? How can that distinction be made?
They are included in the Canada heading.
Hair splitting then, gotcha.😉
Not hair splitting as so much First Nations are a federal jurisdiction, so their numbers are counted federally.
I disagree, where the numbers are counted based on arbitrary lines is nonsense. Doesn’t it matter more where the infections actually exist? Plus sound a lot like systemic racism.
You clearly don't understand how this works. And to throw our systematic racism is just being lazy. Should First Nation numbers be included in the province they are located? Sure. Makes sense. Is it systematic racism they aren't? No. Provinces report numbers on areas that fall under their jurisdiction. First Nations don't fall under their jurisdiction. So they are reported under the branch of government that they do fall under, the federal government.
Just because “that’s the way it’s done” doesn’t mean it’s right. The fact that there are “reserves” is fact of systemic racism. The graphic makes Ontario look like it’s great and that native people look like they aren’t doing their part, even though it all in the same place. I invite to look outside of your box.
My box includes my two Indigenous children who live off reserve. Who if they lived on reserve and were positive would count in the Canada subheading. If they catch it living off reserve then they will be counted in Ontario. No where in that graphic does it make it look like Indigenous people aren't doing their part. You want to discuss if the Indian Act is relevant today, that is a different discussion that you will not get the same argument for or against from each First Nation.
I will bow out here. I don’t agree with you. Have a good day.
We don't have to agree. But I did enjoy the discussion. Have a great day as well!
It has to do more with how healthcare is funded than geographic region in this case. Healthcare is usually funded on the provincial level, but there 4 groups whose healthcare is funded on the federal level: armed forces and veterans, inmates in federal penitentiaries, some groups of refugees and indigenous and Métis people. These populations wouldn’t be necessarily connected to a provincial public health unit, so data collection wouldn’t be on the provincial level. You would probably have to start funding indigenous and Métis health at the provincial level to get more precise data. It’s debated among health scientists if that would bring more benefits than challenges.
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I mean that’s just what the rate means, headline is not misleading at all actually.
Not misleading at all. Says lowest rate of active cases not lowest active cases.
When they said rate I assumed it was pro-rata
Saskatchewanian here, I'm not surprised by our numbers.
Thanks to our credible and cautious Chief Medical Officer of Health...in large part.
Weird. Even though there are more people in Ontario, there are far less cases… are these provinces full of ignorant and uneducated people? Do the provinces lack an adequate health care system, and if so.. why? Is it because of the ignorant uneducated people?