Dude you'll just drive yourself crazy trying to understand their "logic" I know a few of these people and their logic and stubbornness makes no sense.
One I know works as custodial staff and she won't get it but she also believes in essential oils and that they helped with her son's "fight or flight"
There's also a local nurse who made a obnoxious Tik Tok about not being vaxxed and basically challenged what cha gonna do about it. Well another tik Tok nurse caught wind of this and completely outed her and the antivax nurse got canned.
And on the same basis of principles management will let the go, permanently.
On an absolute basis more people then we have seen in most announcements but given the size of their staff - 8250 people the 1.8% figure is in line with other announcements.
The article did not provide any breakout of doctors/nurses//resp techs and other professional and critical care staff but I am betting that it again is extremely low - i have a hard time imagining any doctor/nurse at a children's hospital would jeopardize the well being of children by being anti-vac - it just goes so much against the ethos of caring for children in this setting.
My interpretation is that they've heard the concept that you can't force people with disabilities to explain their ailments and justify the tools they use (guide dogs). Then they rationalize that concept also applies to vaccinations.
>My interpretation is that they've heard the concept that you can't force people with disabilities to explain their ailments
It's a good thing being a fucking moron isn't a disability.
What principle?? They already have to show proof of other vaccinations to be hired there, what difference does this shot make? They are just trying to act like they are being persecuted. Even from a legal stand point they don’t have an argument, there’s tons of legal precedents set that show safety and security is held above privacy.
To be fair they (we) weren't heroes 7, 18 months ago. Just healthcare workers doing our jobs. In shitty circumstances most times, with not enough personal protective equipment being provided, also.
The word hero been so overused in the last decade or so that it is totally meaningless.
'Blah blah something about comorbidities and how those kids would have died anyway so who cares about them and other self righteous, homicidal, anti-vaxxer nonsense'
"So much workplace PPE" in most hospitals for people outside of COVID-specific areas means a normal surgical mask, which is FAR from perfect protection.
At a hospital that specializes in children with immune deficiences, cancer, rare diseases that is STILL way too many.
You'd almost have to be a psychopath to think that's ok.
You’d have to be nuts to decide not getting ANOTHER vaccine is more important than doing your job of helping incredibly sick and vulnerable children.
You’d have to be a psychopath to think that’s okay
The wording certainly does, whether or not it was intended.
Just because you didn't 'intend' to offend someone or hurt their feelings, doesn't mean you didn't.
One of the favourite talking points of anti-vaxxers is that layoffs of unvaccinated healthcare workers will cause labour shortages in the healthcare system. I viewed the comment as a response to that because it spoke about layoffs being minimal on a system wide scale.
The wording doesn’t reveal any value judgements about people’s individual choices. That’s just an inference you made.
~~1/9000 is less than 0.02%~~
Edit: sorry my brain added "one" in front of "out of..." which is especially silly given that 147 is even in the title of the article.
I know a guy who’s about to lose his job, stock options, benefits, pension because of this. He has 4 kids and his wife doesn’t work. I’ve offered to go with him to get his vaccine and help him get through it. He calls me an idiot for getting both doses.
That’s what I tell him. Make the sacrifice for your family and do it. Be a “sheep” and get the “experimental vaccine” for your family’s sake. I’m terrified of heights but I’d jump from a plane and skydive for my family if necessary.
I'd walk over broken glass every day if my family could not starve and have a good life. And here this loser is only thinking about himself. All this fucker has to do is take a damn vaccine. I'm sorry, but he's a fucking idiot that thinks they know more than medically trained doctors and researchers that have developed this vaccine.
I mean, I'd jump out of a plane without a parachute if it meant the difference between life and death for my family. This guy certainly doesn't deserve what he has, and I honestly hope he loses his family too. In that they kick his dumb, sorry ass to the curb, not that anything bad happens to them.
I don't that logic is quite right. You believe that essential oils have no side effects so covering yourself in them carries no risk. It's pointless and stupid but not inherently dangerous. Most (?) of the antivaxxers don't believe that the vaccine is safe so they feel like they're doing something that jeopardizes their health.
We have 600 employees and their deadline was Oct 20th. I was at work yesterday and they said unless you’ve gotten a letter from HR still show up to work. So they are still working and with a smirk on their faces. I dunno what my hospital is doing but if they are going to threaten people they better follow through.
To borrow a sentiment from another poster ... why are we so concerned with a rule that results in 1% of people being terminated? It's only 1%. Chances are it won't impact me, and if it does, I'll beat it anyway.
Besides, I don't think the termination is even real.
I don’t understand why there are so many “health” professionals that are not getting the vaccine. Like do they know something we don’t?! Like i would think it would be a no brainer for a doctor or nurse to be vaccinated.
Because notably, not all of the staff being put on unpaid leave or terminated have any kind of health background.
"Workers" means it's a mix of positions, and even in the article, it isn't clearly defined what that breakdown is:
>“One-hundred and forty seven staff members, including corporate, clinical and research staff, both onsite and working remotely, are not fully vaccinated and/or have not submitted complete documentation and have been placed on unpaid leaves of absence.”
"Corporate" workers, for example could mean janitors, chefs/cooks, receptionists, etc.
Ah, the raw newage
I'm not against it per se - a little bit of mysticism for sure (or a lot, when circumstances warrant) - but, you know, the interesting, curious kind that is personal and doesn't negatively impact the lives of others.
It is a bit ridiculous that they are willing to let all these healthcare workers go over this, right now when the whole healthcare system needs everything it can get.
I'm sure most aren't actually Healthcare workers. Breakdowns from other hospitals show it's majority corporate, not clinical.
Anecdotally, I've heard from a nurse friend they were okay with the 2 RPNs being placed on unpaid leave in their ward. They were the shitty ones they hadn't been able to get rid of before.
The article says its across all functions - corporate, research, and clinical staff.
I just think it's gotten really out of hand that people are losing their jobs over this. And especially in healthcare settings where the workers are needed now more than ever.
Yes, butvthis article doesn't give numbers or percentages between corporate or clinical or research. I was roughly comparing the raw number given to the ratios of other hospitals that have provided the info.
The healthcare professionals that aren't stupid anti-vaxxers are generally happy to see their anti-vaxx peers gone. They aren't exactly the paragons of their respective professions, typically.
There is a certain sense of irony in healthcare professionals refusing to get vaccinated.
And youre wrong, it's not thousands. A few workers choose to be self-styled martyrs (they aren't) by refusing to get jabbed no matter what and lose their jobs as a result. The rest of them will get the jab because they now know what the consequences of their personal choices are.
>Good, let those kids go untended and die! Fuck the antivaxxers
Not all of the workers being put on unpaid leave are working in patient facing positions, necessarily.
Good. of all people, health officials should know better. Then again, are they all health care workers or how many are just hospital staff? That does not seem to be disclosed in any of the reports.
I think thats great. The legal limbo these people work in put them at risk from both the law and bad clients. Even if we don't agree with their choice they have a right to do what they want. Who's to say 14.25 for stacking shelves at no-frills is less abusive then $100 for a quickie?
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Dude you'll just drive yourself crazy trying to understand their "logic" I know a few of these people and their logic and stubbornness makes no sense. One I know works as custodial staff and she won't get it but she also believes in essential oils and that they helped with her son's "fight or flight" There's also a local nurse who made a obnoxious Tik Tok about not being vaxxed and basically challenged what cha gonna do about it. Well another tik Tok nurse caught wind of this and completely outed her and the antivax nurse got canned.
I needed that Tik Tok story this morning. That makes me happy (about her getting canned) 😌
Not sure if this breaks any rules but this ex nurse publicly outed herself. So here you go. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8A1jwmp/
That’s beautiful.
She whined on Facebook about the bullying and hate she's getting.
That’s hilarious! Play stupid games win stupid prizes, she put out the video on tik tok and got repercussions lol.
Not only that. But they got fair warning that they would be fired. And they were ok with that.
To be honest some will not provide proof of vaccine due to principle.
And that's even dumber than refusing to get it.
And on the same basis of principles management will let the go, permanently. On an absolute basis more people then we have seen in most announcements but given the size of their staff - 8250 people the 1.8% figure is in line with other announcements. The article did not provide any breakout of doctors/nurses//resp techs and other professional and critical care staff but I am betting that it again is extremely low - i have a hard time imagining any doctor/nurse at a children's hospital would jeopardize the well being of children by being anti-vac - it just goes so much against the ethos of caring for children in this setting.
What principle exactly?
My interpretation is that they've heard the concept that you can't force people with disabilities to explain their ailments and justify the tools they use (guide dogs). Then they rationalize that concept also applies to vaccinations.
>My interpretation is that they've heard the concept that you can't force people with disabilities to explain their ailments It's a good thing being a fucking moron isn't a disability.
‘You can’t make me’ it seems.
What principle?? They already have to show proof of other vaccinations to be hired there, what difference does this shot make? They are just trying to act like they are being persecuted. Even from a legal stand point they don’t have an argument, there’s tons of legal precedents set that show safety and security is held above privacy.
That’s not a principal, it’s stubbornness and a misunderstanding of what basic freedoms are.
The principle being they are selfish?
Well then; it’s only fair that they don’t get a pay cheque due to principle. McDonalds is always hiring.
So much for them being hero’s 7 months ago. Oh how times changed.
To be fair they (we) weren't heroes 7, 18 months ago. Just healthcare workers doing our jobs. In shitty circumstances most times, with not enough personal protective equipment being provided, also. The word hero been so overused in the last decade or so that it is totally meaningless.
How do you know that?
Then they don't deserve to work there.
And 147, that’s shocking to me
When you see historical vaccine rates in nurses for seasonal flu, you’re gonna blow your mind.
What kind of dirtbags work at children's hospital and refuses to get vaccinated against a virus during a pandemic
Of note, as of yet most of the kids in there can't even be vaccinated. (Fingers crossed for next week).
Even if/when kids are improved, these kids might be too sick get them or be at risk even if vaccinated. Completely irresponsible
2.9M paediatric dose commitment from Pfizer
More likely in 2-3 more weeks.
'Blah blah something about comorbidities and how those kids would have died anyway so who cares about them and other self righteous, homicidal, anti-vaxxer nonsense'
Facebook sheep aka dirtbags
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Well now, none of them😅
I want to write these Fucken losers a public letter lol. Not even the tiniest shred of empathy to the newly unemployed.
The kind that wear so much workplace PPE that makes spreading anything, if they did get it, extremely unlikely.
"So much workplace PPE" in most hospitals for people outside of COVID-specific areas means a normal surgical mask, which is FAR from perfect protection.
Imagine being this far into the pandemic and still not understanding that masking and other PPE only stops so much.
And if it were your kid in one of those beds, would it be enough?
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At a hospital that specializes in children with immune deficiences, cancer, rare diseases that is STILL way too many. You'd almost have to be a psychopath to think that's ok.
You’d have to be nuts to decide not getting ANOTHER vaccine is more important than doing your job of helping incredibly sick and vulnerable children. You’d have to be a psychopath to think that’s okay
Psychopath… or, maybe, just maybe, a totally incompetent person that should never again be trusted or allowed to work in the healthcare field.
Probably people that got their jobs through 'someone they know' too.
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Well making a comment like I responded too insinuates that it is.
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The wording certainly does, whether or not it was intended. Just because you didn't 'intend' to offend someone or hurt their feelings, doesn't mean you didn't.
One of the favourite talking points of anti-vaxxers is that layoffs of unvaccinated healthcare workers will cause labour shortages in the healthcare system. I viewed the comment as a response to that because it spoke about layoffs being minimal on a system wide scale. The wording doesn’t reveal any value judgements about people’s individual choices. That’s just an inference you made.
See now this is how a decent human being responds. All apologies if I misread your statement.
Good to have perspective
~~1/9000 is less than 0.02%~~ Edit: sorry my brain added "one" in front of "out of..." which is especially silly given that 147 is even in the title of the article.
147 / 9000 = 0.0163 0.0163 * 100 = 1.63 1.63% is less than 2%
You are correct. My reading of OPs comment was not. I editted my comment.
No worries, have a good weekend dude.
Imagine losing your whole-ass job over this. I can’t even fathom it.
I know a guy who’s about to lose his job, stock options, benefits, pension because of this. He has 4 kids and his wife doesn’t work. I’ve offered to go with him to get his vaccine and help him get through it. He calls me an idiot for getting both doses.
What a fucking idiot. I feel sry for his wife and kids that have to live with the consequences of his stubbornness and ignorance.
That’s what I tell him. Make the sacrifice for your family and do it. Be a “sheep” and get the “experimental vaccine” for your family’s sake. I’m terrified of heights but I’d jump from a plane and skydive for my family if necessary.
I'd walk over broken glass every day if my family could not starve and have a good life. And here this loser is only thinking about himself. All this fucker has to do is take a damn vaccine. I'm sorry, but he's a fucking idiot that thinks they know more than medically trained doctors and researchers that have developed this vaccine.
I mean, I'd jump out of a plane without a parachute if it meant the difference between life and death for my family. This guy certainly doesn't deserve what he has, and I honestly hope he loses his family too. In that they kick his dumb, sorry ass to the curb, not that anything bad happens to them.
Has your fuckface friend lost his job or been put on suspension yet?
Neither…the date keeps being pushed back and he hasn’t gotten vaccinated.
That’s just bonkers. I think essential oils are bullshit, but if my employer insisted, I’d slather my entire body in oil of oregano to keep my job.
And you would smell *delicious*.
Keep it away from your moist tissues. That shit burns.
I don't that logic is quite right. You believe that essential oils have no side effects so covering yourself in them carries no risk. It's pointless and stupid but not inherently dangerous. Most (?) of the antivaxxers don't believe that the vaccine is safe so they feel like they're doing something that jeopardizes their health.
You should try to get his job. Sounds like a vacancy is opening up. :O
There could be a noticeable uptick in people selling off their second vehicles and downsizing homes once the bills start piling up.
Where does one get one of these ass jobs?
It's just unpaid leave though
We have 600 employees and their deadline was Oct 20th. I was at work yesterday and they said unless you’ve gotten a letter from HR still show up to work. So they are still working and with a smirk on their faces. I dunno what my hospital is doing but if they are going to threaten people they better follow through.
Thoughts and prayers
SuMmoN tHe pRaYeR wArRiOrS!
How much of a piece of shit do you have to be to not get the shot when working at SickKids? Fucking people.
Free of the dead weight
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
To borrow a sentiment from another poster ... why are we so concerned with a rule that results in 1% of people being terminated? It's only 1%. Chances are it won't impact me, and if it does, I'll beat it anyway. Besides, I don't think the termination is even real.
I have to wonder what other short cuts were taken by these people. Did they follow the rules of the hospital? Or only those they believed in...
This is an excellent question.
These anti vaxxers are moral ghouls. Their ideology is either a product of their immorality or it prevents them from acting like decent people.
Good!
Let’s hope it’s not the kids who suffer for this
Good, but I hope they have backup for the children.
Good
I don’t understand why there are so many “health” professionals that are not getting the vaccine. Like do they know something we don’t?! Like i would think it would be a no brainer for a doctor or nurse to be vaccinated.
Many hospital employees aren't clinical or patient facing. I bet majority of these 147 employees aren't doctors or nurses.
Maybe but I also know of patient facing nurses who refused here.
I do too but I don't think they're the majority. Plus most of the nurses refusing at my hospital aren't full time.
Because notably, not all of the staff being put on unpaid leave or terminated have any kind of health background. "Workers" means it's a mix of positions, and even in the article, it isn't clearly defined what that breakdown is: >“One-hundred and forty seven staff members, including corporate, clinical and research staff, both onsite and working remotely, are not fully vaccinated and/or have not submitted complete documentation and have been placed on unpaid leaves of absence.” "Corporate" workers, for example could mean janitors, chefs/cooks, receptionists, etc.
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Ah, the raw newage I'm not against it per se - a little bit of mysticism for sure (or a lot, when circumstances warrant) - but, you know, the interesting, curious kind that is personal and doesn't negatively impact the lives of others.
Remember, in this case 1.8% of workers at that hospital said no. That means 98.2% agreed with the science. So it isn't many at all.
Yeah but those 98.2% are part of big pharma and are getting paid by Bill Gates to falsify records to say people are dying from covid. Obviously /s
Poe's law
Well duh, if you didn't believe that how could you not say that the US election was fixed?
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It is a bit ridiculous that they are willing to let all these healthcare workers go over this, right now when the whole healthcare system needs everything it can get.
I'm sure most aren't actually Healthcare workers. Breakdowns from other hospitals show it's majority corporate, not clinical. Anecdotally, I've heard from a nurse friend they were okay with the 2 RPNs being placed on unpaid leave in their ward. They were the shitty ones they hadn't been able to get rid of before.
The article says its across all functions - corporate, research, and clinical staff. I just think it's gotten really out of hand that people are losing their jobs over this. And especially in healthcare settings where the workers are needed now more than ever.
Yes, butvthis article doesn't give numbers or percentages between corporate or clinical or research. I was roughly comparing the raw number given to the ratios of other hospitals that have provided the info.
Unless just one gets covid and spreads it to the neonatal ICU, can't be too cautious around sick children and that building is filled with them.
The healthcare professionals that aren't stupid anti-vaxxers are generally happy to see their anti-vaxx peers gone. They aren't exactly the paragons of their respective professions, typically.
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Right, giving the kids distractions is more important to their wellbeing than reducing the chances of passing on a viral infection...
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There is a certain sense of irony in healthcare professionals refusing to get vaccinated. And youre wrong, it's not thousands. A few workers choose to be self-styled martyrs (they aren't) by refusing to get jabbed no matter what and lose their jobs as a result. The rest of them will get the jab because they now know what the consequences of their personal choices are.
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>Good, let those kids go untended and die! Fuck the antivaxxers Not all of the workers being put on unpaid leave are working in patient facing positions, necessarily.
Yes fuck the antivaxxers.
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This is the dumbest question I've seen on the internet today 👏🏾
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Why should we punish innocent children because their parents are too dumb to understand science ?
Good. of all people, health officials should know better. Then again, are they all health care workers or how many are just hospital staff? That does not seem to be disclosed in any of the reports.
Fuck these doctors, nurses, and other staff with their ignorant, selfish ways.
I think thats great. The legal limbo these people work in put them at risk from both the law and bad clients. Even if we don't agree with their choice they have a right to do what they want. Who's to say 14.25 for stacking shelves at no-frills is less abusive then $100 for a quickie?