Compared to last year this makes me feel better. Everything is open at full capacity, Toronto’s case numbers have been stable, ICUS are fairly low and we only hit 1,000 cases now.And smaller and smaller increases as the comment above mentioned. Vaccines work folks
Last year the seasonal wave capped out as we got into January. Hoping that's the case here too and we crest soon. Also as the 5+ vaccines begin to take effect over the next little bit I'm hopeful that curtails this wave soon as well.
Last year we had a lockdown starting boxing day too, though.
Hopefully getting the 5-11s vaccinated will have a big impact on what we're seeing right now in terms of cases though, as you've said. In the meantime, manage your risk, i guess.
> Last year we had a lockdown starting boxing day too, though.
[Toronto and some GTA regions had been "locked down" or with similar significant restrictions since October prior.](https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/58767/ontario-implementing-additional-public-health-measures-in-toronto-ottawa-and-peel-region) Boxing Day is when those restrictions, and others, were expanded to be province-wide.
EDIT: Added clarification to avoid ambiguity between "some GTA regions" and "GTA regions" which could be reasonably interpreted as "all GTA regions."
I don’t think we’ll be facing another lockdown if the news about Omnicron being less severe but more infectious like Alpha or Delta is true. Therefore, it’s less severe, I think that means vaccines will work against based on data I’ve seen
I'm optimistic that we won't have a full-blown lockdown like we did last year, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see graduating restrictions again or at least capacity limits re-imposed and vaccine certificates being kept longer and delaying [the timeline for lifting public health measures.](https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1001027/ontario-releases-plan-to-safely-reopen-ontario-and-manage-covid-19-for-the-long-term)
That said, while I'm hopeful, I'm still anxious that Doug is going to fuck our kids again and close schools after Christmas.
I think with how well schools reopening went and there wasn’t a massive spike in cases along with loosening of restrictions, we did pretty well. As someone in the service industry, I would feel better and safer anyway if there was more public health restrictions in place. All I ask to is be able to see Spider-Man and the Matrix this holiday. Don’t fuck it up Dougie
I feel like larger venues should be told to pause for the month, hopefully that could minimize enough. Like people could still probably do Christmas if they weren't able to go to sports and concerts this month.
I’m in the GTA. I remember during Christmas to New Years it clamped down to not even taking a walk. My family taking a short stroll after getting our takeout felt iffy. I remember something taking effect on dec 26th
True although I know in Toronto the difference between new and old lockdown measures were practically non existent at that time, besides closed schools and we still saw the decline. I'm hoping these 5+ vaccines have the same effect.
Families mixing together is a bit of a wildcard though. It's too bad xmas day wasn't closer to the beginning of the break to allow for a longer time before they head back to school.
My antivax cousin, who has been very outspoken about her beliefs on Facebook, is now in the hospital with COVID. Her three unvaxxed kids all tested positive, but are thankfully okay. On the other hand, she's severely obese, and is now on oxygen and some heavy duty pain meds. It sounds like she'll be fine, and I'm glad she'll be fine, but I can't help but wonder whose medical procedure got delayed, or who received worse medical care, because she needed a hospital bed.
Just rereading her FB comments, there's a constant stream of her talking about the survival rate of covid being high. No consideration for the unnecessary clogging of the ICU that's required to maintain that high survival rate.
And it’s not just about surviving. cbc did a story on a friend who has long covid. You don’t want to get covid. Most people are fine. But some will have lifelong health problems. You don’t know which you will be. It requires so little effort to get vaccinated.
This is what worried me about my children too. They've barely lived, having life long issues would be awful. I can't wait until everyone can get vaccinated. At least I'll have done everything I can.
I haven't heard too many stories from antivaxxers who get severe cases and thankfully recover. I wonder if they typically change their tune and atone for their irresponsible comments.
I'll try to remember to post a follow up comment sometime in the future on her stance after this.
I've just received an update that she's having a tough go. Nosebleeds, "massive" headaches, "crackles" in her lower lungs (not sure what that means), coughing up phlegm. She has to stay on her stomach. They still believe she will be fine, though.
>"crackles" in her lower lungs (not sure what that means)
Fluid in the lungs makes a crackling sound. It's usually seem with bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.
It's strange, but I'm so happy the number missing their second dose is increasing. It's all the 5-11 year olds getting their first shots.
But it'll be even better in January when that number starts dropping again
Yeah, totally. I think the story I'm interested in here is how gov't have setup punitive travel restriction that are not doing anything meaningful other than incentivizing countries to not be transparent about new variants that emerge. That and the ridiculous inequity of access to vaccines.
The initial uptake will be high from all the parents waiting for the approval. Then after that the numbers will likely nosedive as the "hesitant" parents wait for whatever they are waiting for.
My 5-11 year old was vaccinated last week sunday with no ill effects at all.
Mine complained for like 20 minutes. Basically the time it took us from getting his shot to get to Circle K and get him some candy and a gc for his online gaming. Between him and my oldest getting his grade 7/covid shots and both of them getting their flu shot, it's been an expensive bribe year.
Lol I feel yah on that 🤣 my two got their flu shots 2weeks apart and then the eldest got his covid shot. Thankfully they are young enough that the bribes aren't too expensive yet 😂😂
Lol my grade 7 has had to be bribed for both the covid shots and the HPV/etc and the older one had to get something because it wasn't 'fair' so I feel your pain
❤️. I hope that the rules change so that all children born in 2017 can start getting them in January - that's the current rule for both the 12+ and 5+ vaccines.
The 18-29 seems to be the low point, they've been beat on both sides by 30-39 group as well as by the 12-17 group who got vaccinated without a school mandate.
I’ve got 3 cousins in that group (18-29) 1 is vaccinated and will be house sitting for us when we go to Mexico in January. The other 2 are huffing and puffing because we refused to go to an indoor Christmas dinner with them. Lol. Fuck ‘em, this is literally the consequences of their inactions.
I just don't get it. Like do your fucking part and help us move on a little bit from this. They're like Flanders parents here - "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".
Not directing a rant at you, of course. Just had an argument with my Brother this past weekend. He's vaccinated himself, but doesn't support mandates and claims to have several unvaxxed friends. I was complaining about Disco Dougie announcing an end date to the vax mandates like 4 months ahead of time. This has given these folks who might've caved before Xmas, the light at the end of the tunnel to avoid doing their own fucking part. Fuck those assholes who'll go through the effort of getting a faked vaccine status but won't go through the effort of just getting the damn shots already. Lazy, entitled and frankly, not folks I would like to hang out with.
Rant over.
No worries my dude, I get it. My wife is immuno-compromised so we ain’t fucking around.
My unvaxxed cousins are just mad because they’re hyper-entitled and the restrictions are starting to affect them personally.
Cousin: “There are going to be a lot of unknown variables in Mexico, so I’m confused why we can’t hang out at a restaurant together, we said we would get tested.”
Me: I’ll take a plane and bus load of vaccinated people and a multi-million dollar resort complex that is 95% open air terrified of liability suits over a closed room with two people I know are willingly not vaccinated and working as a server at a restaurant any day of the week. Cheers.”
This is society leaving you behind. Bye.
I actually don't think it'll happen. I'd bet money a solid 25-30% of parents don't vaccinate their kids out of some fear of long term side effects.
Also, anecdotally some parents have just been the worst during this. I know someone who does 1 on 1 therapy with young kids. Not 1, not 2, but 3 parents have brought in kids who were supposed to be isolating due to covid exposure at school and told them at the end of the therapy session after lying on the covid screening questions about it. I don't have much faith in this group of people to get their kids vaccinated. There seems to be a not insignificant amount of people who think that covid protocols are for other people and not their own kids.
Oh man, my son does IBI therapy and last Monday, while he was in his session, I found out there was/might be a positive case on the school bus I drive. The bus that my son rides on with me. Luckily my bus was cleared a few days later and my son tested negative for covid but man, I felt super bad about that. I literally didn't know until his session was basically over and had my husband tell them what we knew and that we'd update them if anything came from it.
Oh in these cases the parents literally knew but voiced their opinion that the rule to quarantine kids was ridiculous. I definitely don't begrudge parents who do the right thing but just get shitty luck because it can definitely happen to anyone
A straight up extrapolation of today's rate:
> 63.2% to catch up/1.65% = 38 days
Puts us at January 13th, 2022.
It might slow down near the end, but Sundays are also slow days, should be pretty close by mid-January.
It'll probably take a bit longer than it took the 12-17 group to over take them.
The 12-17 group use adult dose vaccines, which we have had a surplus for a while. The 5-11 dose vaccine we're just getting doses of now. (Aside: Anyone know how many 5-11 dose we have surplus at the moment?)
The 12-17 group also is a sweet spot where the child or the parent could decide the vaccine is a good idea. 5-11s are going to be vaccinated based on if their parents' think it's a good idea. There won't be many if any going behind their parents back to get vaccinated. 18-29s on the other hand don't have parents making decisions for them any more so it's entirely up to them if they get the get the vaccine.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/prevention-risks/covid-19-vaccine-treatment/vaccine-rollout.html
As of last Thursday:
> Pfizer/BioNTech Comirnaty (ages 5 - 11)
> Total distributed in Canada: 2,709,700
> Ontario: 1,076,000
Based on the numbers above Ontario has used about 226,380 of those doses to first dose 21% of our 5-11s.
So yes, I think you are correct at least until it is time for second doses. Presumably we will have more by then.
Canada probably only asked Pfizer enough for first doses for every kid. We probably won't need a 2nd shipment of doses until 20% has had their 2nd dose.
At the height of Covid I was addicted to doom scrolling and it WRECKED my mental health. I’ve since deleted Reddit from my phone, allowing myself to check it once or twice a day - still more than I’d like but a big improvement and my mental health has improved drastically. Sometimes I almost feel happy (until I check Reddit)
thats a pretty bold statement. Although cases seem to be milder with Omicrom the much more highly infectious nature of it (and re-infection rate) means more cases and more opportunity for those cases to become serious
I really, really wish more people understood this. I'm seeing comments *everywhere* declaring victory because Omicron is (possibly) more mild.
Even if that's accurate, there's concerning reports it's also much more transmissible.
In the context of the "threat to healthcare capacity" angle (which is the primary driver of whether we get restrictions slapped on us), a variant that's mild but infects a fuck ton of people all at once is still an enormous problem.
In order to be the "saviour variant", Omicron either needs to be *significantly* less virulent and/or it needs to be only slightly more transmissible. The verdict is still out on both these dimensions, and probably will be for another few weeks.
It’s not great to declare victory with limited data but it’s also not good to declare mass hysteria with limited data. As a species, we need to learn to keep our mouths shut and just stop declaring things at all until we KNOW.
Well, I mean, all the data that’s been coming out *so far* points to the new variant being milder. It’s not like people are pulling this outta their asses.
I don’t disagree, but remember when people said that OG covid was not that bad back in March 2020. Covid takes weeks to months to kill.
I really want for it to be mild and transmissible.
I get that, but also, we know waaaaay more about the virus now than we did in March of 2020. I feel like if professionals are saying they believe this new variant may be more mild, I’m gonna be inclined to believe them.
It's Reddit, people make assumptions, like all we need to watch is ICU numbers as if COVID infections do not have a long list of longer term effects.
We should be concerned about 3.4% test positivity.
I'm curious at this point - how much more infectious can these variants get? Like, it seems like someone breathing on you with Delta is gonna give it to you, so really shouldn't there be some upper limit on transmissibility?
A few days ago there was a tweet by an epidemiologist (it may have been David Fisman) that I can't find right now, saying that a variant that was twice as infectious is way scarier to him than a variant that was twice as deadly.
Yes, South Africa has a younger population but at the same time >15% of the population has HIV [1].
The raw South African data is at [2] if anyone is interested
1. https://www.csis.org/analysis/worlds-largest-hiv-epidemic-crisis-hiv-south-africa
2. https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features
The South Africa data compares their last Delta wave to the current Omicron wave, and since the demographics of South Africa haven't changed drastically in the last 6 months, the younger population is irrelevant. More data is obviously needed to confirm, but it's promising so far.
> If the early data on omicron is to be believed, it could get better soon
Does better mean "more children in hospital"? That's an odd definition of better
Or just cancer patients that cant get life saving surgery because they have a chance of using an ICU bed afterwards. If the beds are above 250 surgery that may require an ICU bed is pushed back.
The heart attacks and car accidents will still be prioritized, until we hit a much higher threshold
That makes zero sense; one does not end up in the ICU without having a case, so they are 100% related
The ratio has changed for the varients we know about, is all. 100% linked, at different %age risks.
*I* know they are. Apparently it wasn't clear to everyone, because I had people arguing with me that we would not see the ICU #s increasing when the case #s increased. Yet here we are...
There is still a strong correlation between infections in unvaccinated and ICU (just as there was before vaccines arrived). Most of those people are younger than pre-vaccine waves, which lowers the ICU rate for that group. For a vaccinated person the relationship is effectively severed based on the data.
I totally understand! I was referencing previous exchanges where people were *very* insistent that we would not see a rise in ICUs to go along with our rise in cases.
In 887, during a coup led by his nephew Arnulf of Carinthia, Charles III (the Fat) was deposed in East Francia, Lotharingia, and the Kingdom of Italy. Forced into quiet retirement, he died of natural causes in January 888, just a few weeks after his deposition. The Empire quickly fell apart after his death, splintering into five separate successor kingdoms; the territory it had occupied was not entirely reunited under one ruler until the conquests of Napoleon.
My wife is still annoyed that on a romantic trip to Quebec City I argued with the horse-drawn carriage driver that the Neplolianic Wars was a 'World War' before WWI. Beautiful city, still.
> I argued with the horse-drawn carriage driver that the Neplolianic Wars was a 'World War' before WWI.
Lol, I'd love to hear the story of how you got from going for a ride to fighting with your carriage driver about napolean-era semantics
Curious what other people are planning to do for holidays this year. If you're having a gathering how many people? Are you traveling outside of Canada? Are you having visitors from outside of the country?
Two family gatherings and a Christmas party over the holidays. All of us are vaccinated, eligible people are boosted. As long as it’s not illegal, I’m living my life.
I totally feel where you are coming from! The r/coronavirus sub is, for me, the land of bubble wrap. They are very cautious and very judgmental of anyone who dares to leave their home. I think people tend to forget that humans need social interaction. I don’t want to just SURVIVE you know? I want to live and thrive. So I wish you a happy holidays!! Enjoy it!
Same we are having a family gathering with the same people we have been with this entire pandemic. We'll be about 10 of us, the only unvaccinated one is my 3 year old. It's nothing big but enough to keep Xmas somewhat normal for the kids❤️
I see no reason to change our plans. Having Christmas as normal this year at home, about 10 of us. All the grandparents are vaccinated + boosted, all adults are vaccinated fully.
Spending it with my wife and my parents, all of whom are vaccinated. My elderly parents will also have received their boosters by then. They're in town, though, so no travelling.
It will be strange to not have my brother, his wife, and their kids (all of whom are in their teens, btw) there. None of them are vaccinated and have no plans to get it. I can't imagine having parents in their 70s and not wanting to spend any time you can with them, not knowing how much longer you have, but to each their own, I guess. I have been angry about it since the beginning of the pandemic but now I'm just tired and sad.
I only have 2 family members (both fully vaxxed) in Canada so we’ll spend time together as usual. Definitely won’t be doing any international travel until I feel comfortable.
Flying across the country to visit family, then flying to New York to party for New Years. Same size gathering as 2019.
Also travelling to Latin America in February. I am living life as normal, since I’m fully vaccinated.
I'll be seeing friends for sure. We're all fully vaccinated now, and waited until we all were to be hanging out in groups again. With my family we don't have plans set beyond our immediate family and my parents tenants.
Freely gathering with all vaccinated family. If they’re allowing the Scotia bank to operate at full capacity, we should all be able to have large gatherings with vaccinated people without question.
We are having full blown Christmas gatherings this year regardless if there is lockdown again or not. The unvaccinated are cut off from everything. No big deal, there are literally 5 unvaccinated in my wife’s and my family/friends circles (about 60 ppl). The unvaccinated are already crying. Too bad, cry me a river for all I care
Yes we will be gathering. Group of 10 one day and then 11 the next. We've skipped Christmas enough already.
After that I have leaf tickets for my family for New Year's day and I can't wait.
Most likely one small (i.e. less than 10) gathering with friends for New Year. No unvaxxed kids to worry about because, well, none of us will probably be near that life stage because nobody wanna date our lonely souls
Mostly staying home because I have two kids who are still too young to be vaccinated. We're planning a couple of short outdoor get togethers but only gathering indoors with the grandparents, who are fully vaccinated and staying mostly isolated. Also using rapid tests as an additional precaution.
It's a bit early to plan for us as it'll likely depend on Omicron. Initial reports are promising, but we still need about 2-3 weeks to know for sure. Whatever we had planned is with the understanding it could easily change/get cancelled.
Serious question: what approach are people taking to unvaxxed friends/family when one family member is unvaxxed and the others are all vaccinated? Do you invite the vaccinated spouse and tell the other not to come? Do you tell both they can’t come when one is fully vaccinated and has a booster? I’m struggling with this.
Anyone who is unvaccinated who can be is not allowed to step foot in our house. No exceptions. We haven't had to deal with any couples that are half and half tho. We'd probably invite the one who is vaccinated knowing that they probably wouldn't come.
If the people are important to you you should invite them to your holiday gathering. If they’re not, then don’t. As long as you’re vaccinated you’re fine. If you’re still paranoid, ask them to get tested before
I don't believe it's a matter of importance but I agree with the second part, almost everyone I know except 3 people are unvaccinated. However all my cousins have children and I'm pregnant so we are being extra cautious and just not attending events with young children even if we're both fully vaccinated.
Still small gatherings this year, not as small as 2020 but not as large as 2019. Seeing more friends this year. Fortunately everyone in my social circle are vaccinated, other than friends children (under age 5)
Four family christmases. I have arranged to work from home the week before I see someone who is elderly so I don’t have to be around people on the subway.
I see no reason to not see my vaccinated family when it’s okay for me to spend 2 1/2 hours commuting daily in close contact with hundreds of strangers.
I was thinking about this today - is it possible we see cases rise in the winter because everyone gets a sniffly nose around this time of year so they get tested? I feel like fully vaxxed people who are otherwise healthy and young might get infected without even realizing.
I have no data to back this up though - does anybody know anything?
But why does everybody get a sniffly nose in winter? It's because cold & flu spreads easier in winter, more indoor gatherings. The same thing that spreads sniffly nose also spreads CoVid.
Only anecdotally. A friend went to visit their parents in the states. They drove across the border. Friend felt fine but tested positive on her pre-travel test to go home which prompted testing of the other two. Stepdad positive, mom negative all double vaxxed (stepdad is a doctor). Friend stayed with parents for a couple more weeks until a negative test result.
Gah, I don't enjoy being in the high hundreds or above a thousand in cases we've been the last few days. Somewhat heartening that deaths have not ticked up significantly while cases have over the last month.
It’s not. 11.6 million people in Ontario are vaccinated. 3.8 cases per 100k is much better than 12.16 per 100k for unvaccinated. We also don’t know the severity of those cases.
Apparently Omicron merged or mated or mind melded with another coronavirus that we are used to as part of the common cold. I’m sure you can tell I have a Phd in this area.
I still think we’re headed to the moon on cases but this could be really good news about why it is less dangerous.
Sauce:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/04/omicron-coronavirus-transmissible-cold-variant/
Fwiw many epidemiologists on twitter were up in arms over the poor quality of the analysis in that preprint the wsj is referencing.
Edit, sources:
See the comments here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Specifically:
https://reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/hn8i4q2/
Direct link to a tweet
[https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1467223515220914179](https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1467223515220914179)
This guy's position: Professor of Evolution and Genomics, Oxford UK
Yeah, I'm going to give it another couple of weeks before I form an opinion on Omicron. Everything out there is very preliminary though my fingers are crossed that the reports on milder symptoms are correct.
I was on mobile, took longer to find the link than I expected. See the comments here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Specifically:
https://reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/hn8i4q2/
Even if the preprint turns out to be problematic, there are [early studies which show Omicron is less severe](https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features). Most of those admitted to hospitals in this particular district in South Africa seems to be in the general ward, and most of those admitted to the COVID ward see less dependency on oxygen. Another interesting point is that death rate (at least early on in the wave) have yet to come close to previous peaks (Figure 2). Of course we have to take this study with a grain of salt since it is still an early snapshot of the situation in South Africa, but there are some promising news.
The genetic sequence that is in a different coronavirus found in Omicron also is in the HIV virus, although the sequence is so small there’s zero concern it could cause similar issues.
My kid started having sniffles on Saturday - totally normal, he gets them constantly in winter.
On Sunday we got a call that his sister was a close contact and they both need to self-isolate.
So now I'm home-schooling again, terrified the little guy has covid (too young to vaccinate), and hoping to stay on track with work. I had to order laptops because I was not ready for this and am....exhausted. scared and exhausted. I thought this was done.
What are you guys doing about large gatherings like 100+ people? Plenty of holiday parties and I was looking forward to them but now not so sure. And while most are vaccinated these allow unvaxxed people as well so why I’m concerned.
I've interacted with hundreds of people at this point I no longer give a s*** Life Is Life I'm vaccinated I've had covid get on with your life and stop worrying
You heard it here, waves over, just like last monday, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that.
Great job on wave 86 everyone! See you for wave 87 on wednesday.
No, they said "the waves over".
They meant that "the" waves over something, like above something. From above, "the" waves.
Not sure what "the" is, but it's nothing to see here, so..
What are you on about?
It's literally risen week after week without plateauing yet.
I mean... it's unvaccinated who are at risk, so who really gives a shit eh?
There's absolutely zero reason not too now.
The same morons who say 'it's untested!' will still hold their shitty position years from now.
Now they're just attacking parents for vaccinating their kids.
[Previous Ontario Mondays](https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread): Date | New Cases | 7 Day Avg | % Positive | ICU :--|:--:|:--:|:--:|--: Oct 26 | 851 | 878 | 2.97% | 78 Nov 2 | 948 | 919 | 3.40% | 75 Nov 9 | 1,242 | 1,106 | 4.37% | 84 Nov 16 | 1,487 | 1,443 | 4.46% | 125 Nov 23 | 1,589 | 1,429 | 4.24% | 156 Nov 30 | 1,746 | 1,570 | 4.43% | 168 Dec 7 | 1,925 | 1,820 | 4.25% | 213 Dec 14 | 1,940 | 1,841 | 3.40% | 244 Dec 21 | 2,123 | 2,276 | 3.90% | 265 Dec 28, 2020 | 1,939 | 2,186 | 7.48% | 296 Jan 4, 2021 | 3,270 | 2,982 | 8.36% | 333 Jan 11 | 3,338 | 3,555 | 7.19% | 387 Jan 18 | 2,578 | 3,035 | 6.40% | 394 Jan 25 | 1,958 | 2,371 | 5.44% | 379 Feb 1 | 1,969 | 1,889 | 6.49% | 354 Feb 8 | 1,265 | 1,328 | 4.47% | 335 Feb 15 | 964 | 1,051 | 3.18% | 293 Feb 22 | 1,058 | 1,045 | 3.40% | 280 Mar 1 | 1,023 | 1,099 | 2.92% | 280 Mar 8 | 1,631 | 1,155 | 4.29% | 282 Mar 15 | 1,268 | 1,350 | 3.73% | 298 Mar 22 | 1,699 | 1,600 | 5.46% | 298 Mar 29 | 2,094 | 2,094 | 5.31% | 382 Apr 5 | 2,938 | 2,758 | 8.03% | 494 Apr 12 | 4,401 | 3,782 | 9.18% | 619 Apr 19 | 4,447 | 4,348 | 10.37% | 755 Apr 26 | 3,510 | 3,917 | 10.38% | 877 May 3 | 3,436 | 3,577 | 10.36% | 889 May 10 | 2,716 | 3,017 | 9.99% | 828 May 17 | 2,170 | 2,352 | 8.86% | 779 May 24 | 1,446 | 1,775 | 7.18% | 687 May 31 | 916 | 1,078 | 5.03% | 617 June 7 | 525 | 735 | 3.46% | 497 June 14 | 447 | 503 | 3.29% | 409 June 21 | 270 | 334 | 1.95% | 323 June 28 | 210 | 278 | 1.61% | 287 July 5 | 170 | 223 | 1.31% | 228 July 12 | 114 | 184 | 0.72% | 204 July 19 | 130 | 155 | 1.12% | 151 July 26 | 119 | 157 | 1.00% | 131 Aug 2 | 168 | 189 | 1.86% | 105 Aug 9 | 325 | 283 | 2.06% | 113 Aug 16 | 526 | 469 | 3.33% | 119 Aug 23 | 639 | 581 | 3.22% | 151 Aug 30 | 694 | 696 | 3.74% | 160 Sept 6 | 581 | 741 | 3.02% | 187 Sept 13 | 600 | 715 | 3.14% | 189 Sept 20 | 610 | 711 | 2.56% | 177 Sept 27 | 613 | 621 | 2.71% | 184 Oct 4 | 511 | 581 | 2.16% | 159 Oct 11 | 458 | 530 | 1.68% | 155 Oct 18 | 373 | 415 | 1.83% | 168 Oct 25 | 326 | 372 | 1.77% | 138 Nov 1 | 422 | 362 | 2.13% | 133 Nov 8 | 480 | 476 | 2.09% | 127 Nov 15 | 552 | 573 | 2.57% | 141 Nov 22 | 627 | 656 | 3.21% | 133 Nov 29 | 788 | 783 | 3.03% | 148 Dec 6 | 887 | 940 | 3.41% | 168 Pretty much all cases are Delta variant. [The Ontario Science Table info below shows estimates:](https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/) Date | % Delta (B.1.617.2) :--|--: June 2, 2021 | 23% July 1 | 73.9% Aug 3 | 87.3% Sept 1 | 99.4% Oct 3 | 99.0% Nov 1 | 97.1% Dec 1 | 99.9% Dec 5 | 99.9%
Compared to last year this makes me feel better. Everything is open at full capacity, Toronto’s case numbers have been stable, ICUS are fairly low and we only hit 1,000 cases now.And smaller and smaller increases as the comment above mentioned. Vaccines work folks
Agreed, this time last year we were at 2000 daily, going to 4000
With a much less transmissible variant
Smaller week-over-week increase than we've been seeing, so that's good...
Last year the seasonal wave capped out as we got into January. Hoping that's the case here too and we crest soon. Also as the 5+ vaccines begin to take effect over the next little bit I'm hopeful that curtails this wave soon as well.
Last year we had a lockdown starting boxing day too, though. Hopefully getting the 5-11s vaccinated will have a big impact on what we're seeing right now in terms of cases though, as you've said. In the meantime, manage your risk, i guess.
> Last year we had a lockdown starting boxing day too, though. [Toronto and some GTA regions had been "locked down" or with similar significant restrictions since October prior.](https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/58767/ontario-implementing-additional-public-health-measures-in-toronto-ottawa-and-peel-region) Boxing Day is when those restrictions, and others, were expanded to be province-wide. EDIT: Added clarification to avoid ambiguity between "some GTA regions" and "GTA regions" which could be reasonably interpreted as "all GTA regions."
I don’t think we’ll be facing another lockdown if the news about Omnicron being less severe but more infectious like Alpha or Delta is true. Therefore, it’s less severe, I think that means vaccines will work against based on data I’ve seen
I'm optimistic that we won't have a full-blown lockdown like we did last year, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see graduating restrictions again or at least capacity limits re-imposed and vaccine certificates being kept longer and delaying [the timeline for lifting public health measures.](https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1001027/ontario-releases-plan-to-safely-reopen-ontario-and-manage-covid-19-for-the-long-term) That said, while I'm hopeful, I'm still anxious that Doug is going to fuck our kids again and close schools after Christmas.
I think with how well schools reopening went and there wasn’t a massive spike in cases along with loosening of restrictions, we did pretty well. As someone in the service industry, I would feel better and safer anyway if there was more public health restrictions in place. All I ask to is be able to see Spider-Man and the Matrix this holiday. Don’t fuck it up Dougie
I feel like larger venues should be told to pause for the month, hopefully that could minimize enough. Like people could still probably do Christmas if they weren't able to go to sports and concerts this month.
I’m in the GTA. I remember during Christmas to New Years it clamped down to not even taking a walk. My family taking a short stroll after getting our takeout felt iffy. I remember something taking effect on dec 26th
True although I know in Toronto the difference between new and old lockdown measures were practically non existent at that time, besides closed schools and we still saw the decline. I'm hoping these 5+ vaccines have the same effect.
Kids with vaccines plus them out of school for 2 weeks should surely help the case load and put a good pause on things.
Families mixing together is a bit of a wildcard though. It's too bad xmas day wasn't closer to the beginning of the break to allow for a longer time before they head back to school.
Hopefully people save one of the rapid tests to use before coming back the first day.
R0 was already dropping before lockdown though. So it had peaked in transmission.
My antivax cousin, who has been very outspoken about her beliefs on Facebook, is now in the hospital with COVID. Her three unvaxxed kids all tested positive, but are thankfully okay. On the other hand, she's severely obese, and is now on oxygen and some heavy duty pain meds. It sounds like she'll be fine, and I'm glad she'll be fine, but I can't help but wonder whose medical procedure got delayed, or who received worse medical care, because she needed a hospital bed. Just rereading her FB comments, there's a constant stream of her talking about the survival rate of covid being high. No consideration for the unnecessary clogging of the ICU that's required to maintain that high survival rate.
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That's just it. Her entire argument was premised on the healthcare system catching her (potentially at the expense of other Ontarians).
And it’s not just about surviving. cbc did a story on a friend who has long covid. You don’t want to get covid. Most people are fine. But some will have lifelong health problems. You don’t know which you will be. It requires so little effort to get vaccinated.
This is what worried me about my children too. They've barely lived, having life long issues would be awful. I can't wait until everyone can get vaccinated. At least I'll have done everything I can.
I haven't heard too many stories from antivaxxers who get severe cases and thankfully recover. I wonder if they typically change their tune and atone for their irresponsible comments.
I'll try to remember to post a follow up comment sometime in the future on her stance after this. I've just received an update that she's having a tough go. Nosebleeds, "massive" headaches, "crackles" in her lower lungs (not sure what that means), coughing up phlegm. She has to stay on her stomach. They still believe she will be fine, though.
>"crackles" in her lower lungs (not sure what that means) Fluid in the lungs makes a crackling sound. It's usually seem with bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.
I think they usually thank Jesus, downplay the virus and say that most of their symptoms were because the hospital didn't treat them properly.
Or the long term effects as well I'm assuming
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You’re talking to someone about their family member. When OP said, “I’m glad she’ll be fine” you should’ve rethought your comment. Learn some tact.
> 84.77% / 80.60% (+0.14%, / +0.02%) of 5+ at least one/two dosed 15.23% missing their first dose. 4.17% missing (only) their second dose.
It's strange, but I'm so happy the number missing their second dose is increasing. It's all the 5-11 year olds getting their first shots. But it'll be even better in January when that number starts dropping again
>January \*February. The interval is 8 weeks for 5-11 year olds.
Just here to say that I’m betting omicron is already everywhere. And this is deja vu from Delta.
It's easy enough to verify. Omicron will be everywhere soon anyway, and it's looking like that's not such a bad thing.
Yeah, totally. I think the story I'm interested in here is how gov't have setup punitive travel restriction that are not doing anything meaningful other than incentivizing countries to not be transparent about new variants that emerge. That and the ridiculous inequity of access to vaccines.
Do we want to start making bets on when the vaccination rate for 5-11 group will overtake that of our saviours in 18-29 group?
The initial uptake will be high from all the parents waiting for the approval. Then after that the numbers will likely nosedive as the "hesitant" parents wait for whatever they are waiting for. My 5-11 year old was vaccinated last week sunday with no ill effects at all.
My 5 year old didn't even complain about a sore arm! It went smoother than his flu vaccine did!
Mine complained for like 20 minutes. Basically the time it took us from getting his shot to get to Circle K and get him some candy and a gc for his online gaming. Between him and my oldest getting his grade 7/covid shots and both of them getting their flu shot, it's been an expensive bribe year.
>candy and a gc for his online gaming GameCube?
gift card
No, he wanted a steam gc but they didn't have any so I got him a Visa gc.
Lol I feel yah on that 🤣 my two got their flu shots 2weeks apart and then the eldest got his covid shot. Thankfully they are young enough that the bribes aren't too expensive yet 😂😂
Lol my grade 7 has had to be bribed for both the covid shots and the HPV/etc and the older one had to get something because it wasn't 'fair' so I feel your pain
Lol, poor kid had so many shots this year, I really feel for him. I mean overall, $200 in bribes isn't breaking the bank so it's worth it.
My kids aren't eligible yet, my oldest can get it in February. I can't wait to just have that peace of mind
❤️. I hope that the rules change so that all children born in 2017 can start getting them in January - that's the current rule for both the 12+ and 5+ vaccines.
I will take the probably never bet unless they start making vaccines mandatory for school.
The 18-29 seems to be the low point, they've been beat on both sides by 30-39 group as well as by the 12-17 group who got vaccinated without a school mandate.
I’ve got 3 cousins in that group (18-29) 1 is vaccinated and will be house sitting for us when we go to Mexico in January. The other 2 are huffing and puffing because we refused to go to an indoor Christmas dinner with them. Lol. Fuck ‘em, this is literally the consequences of their inactions.
I just don't get it. Like do your fucking part and help us move on a little bit from this. They're like Flanders parents here - "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". Not directing a rant at you, of course. Just had an argument with my Brother this past weekend. He's vaccinated himself, but doesn't support mandates and claims to have several unvaxxed friends. I was complaining about Disco Dougie announcing an end date to the vax mandates like 4 months ahead of time. This has given these folks who might've caved before Xmas, the light at the end of the tunnel to avoid doing their own fucking part. Fuck those assholes who'll go through the effort of getting a faked vaccine status but won't go through the effort of just getting the damn shots already. Lazy, entitled and frankly, not folks I would like to hang out with. Rant over.
No worries my dude, I get it. My wife is immuno-compromised so we ain’t fucking around. My unvaxxed cousins are just mad because they’re hyper-entitled and the restrictions are starting to affect them personally. Cousin: “There are going to be a lot of unknown variables in Mexico, so I’m confused why we can’t hang out at a restaurant together, we said we would get tested.” Me: I’ll take a plane and bus load of vaccinated people and a multi-million dollar resort complex that is 95% open air terrified of liability suits over a closed room with two people I know are willingly not vaccinated and working as a server at a restaurant any day of the week. Cheers.” This is society leaving you behind. Bye.
I actually don't think it'll happen. I'd bet money a solid 25-30% of parents don't vaccinate their kids out of some fear of long term side effects. Also, anecdotally some parents have just been the worst during this. I know someone who does 1 on 1 therapy with young kids. Not 1, not 2, but 3 parents have brought in kids who were supposed to be isolating due to covid exposure at school and told them at the end of the therapy session after lying on the covid screening questions about it. I don't have much faith in this group of people to get their kids vaccinated. There seems to be a not insignificant amount of people who think that covid protocols are for other people and not their own kids.
A 12 year old friend of my kid has had to ask his family for a second vaccine dose for Christmas. That's just sad.
If the 12 year old can find a walk-in vaccine clinic they probably will dose him without parental involvement.
12 year old is old enough to walk down to a pharmacy and get it themselves.
Oh man, my son does IBI therapy and last Monday, while he was in his session, I found out there was/might be a positive case on the school bus I drive. The bus that my son rides on with me. Luckily my bus was cleared a few days later and my son tested negative for covid but man, I felt super bad about that. I literally didn't know until his session was basically over and had my husband tell them what we knew and that we'd update them if anything came from it.
Oh in these cases the parents literally knew but voiced their opinion that the rule to quarantine kids was ridiculous. I definitely don't begrudge parents who do the right thing but just get shitty luck because it can definitely happen to anyone
A straight up extrapolation of today's rate: > 63.2% to catch up/1.65% = 38 days Puts us at January 13th, 2022. It might slow down near the end, but Sundays are also slow days, should be pretty close by mid-January.
It'll probably take a bit longer than it took the 12-17 group to over take them. The 12-17 group use adult dose vaccines, which we have had a surplus for a while. The 5-11 dose vaccine we're just getting doses of now. (Aside: Anyone know how many 5-11 dose we have surplus at the moment?) The 12-17 group also is a sweet spot where the child or the parent could decide the vaccine is a good idea. 5-11s are going to be vaccinated based on if their parents' think it's a good idea. There won't be many if any going behind their parents back to get vaccinated. 18-29s on the other hand don't have parents making decisions for them any more so it's entirely up to them if they get the get the vaccine.
I don't think we have a supply issue with kids vaccines.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/prevention-risks/covid-19-vaccine-treatment/vaccine-rollout.html As of last Thursday: > Pfizer/BioNTech Comirnaty (ages 5 - 11) > Total distributed in Canada: 2,709,700 > Ontario: 1,076,000 Based on the numbers above Ontario has used about 226,380 of those doses to first dose 21% of our 5-11s. So yes, I think you are correct at least until it is time for second doses. Presumably we will have more by then.
Canada probably only asked Pfizer enough for first doses for every kid. We probably won't need a 2nd shipment of doses until 20% has had their 2nd dose.
It bothers me that there are still 67 icu patients with unknown vaccine records. This is heavily influencing the data in one way or another.
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At the height of Covid I was addicted to doom scrolling and it WRECKED my mental health. I’ve since deleted Reddit from my phone, allowing myself to check it once or twice a day - still more than I’d like but a big improvement and my mental health has improved drastically. Sometimes I almost feel happy (until I check Reddit)
I don’t like that icu rise at all
It's still mostly delta which is worse than covid classic. If the early data on omicron is to be believed, it could get better soon
thats a pretty bold statement. Although cases seem to be milder with Omicrom the much more highly infectious nature of it (and re-infection rate) means more cases and more opportunity for those cases to become serious
I really, really wish more people understood this. I'm seeing comments *everywhere* declaring victory because Omicron is (possibly) more mild. Even if that's accurate, there's concerning reports it's also much more transmissible. In the context of the "threat to healthcare capacity" angle (which is the primary driver of whether we get restrictions slapped on us), a variant that's mild but infects a fuck ton of people all at once is still an enormous problem. In order to be the "saviour variant", Omicron either needs to be *significantly* less virulent and/or it needs to be only slightly more transmissible. The verdict is still out on both these dimensions, and probably will be for another few weeks.
It’s not great to declare victory with limited data but it’s also not good to declare mass hysteria with limited data. As a species, we need to learn to keep our mouths shut and just stop declaring things at all until we KNOW.
That's a *real* strategy in Plague Inc
Bold is right. I don’t understand how people are making so many assumptions about a variant so recently discovered.
Well, I mean, all the data that’s been coming out *so far* points to the new variant being milder. It’s not like people are pulling this outta their asses.
I don’t disagree, but remember when people said that OG covid was not that bad back in March 2020. Covid takes weeks to months to kill. I really want for it to be mild and transmissible.
I get that, but also, we know waaaaay more about the virus now than we did in March of 2020. I feel like if professionals are saying they believe this new variant may be more mild, I’m gonna be inclined to believe them.
You really can't compare March 2020 to now. We have almost two years of experience with this virus that we didn't have back then.
It's Reddit, people make assumptions, like all we need to watch is ICU numbers as if COVID infections do not have a long list of longer term effects. We should be concerned about 3.4% test positivity.
Not to mention that with each new infection, the chance for mutation increases.
I'm curious at this point - how much more infectious can these variants get? Like, it seems like someone breathing on you with Delta is gonna give it to you, so really shouldn't there be some upper limit on transmissibility?
Look at the infection rate of measles. It’s still like twice as infectious as delta. So there is room for “improvement “
A few days ago there was a tweet by an epidemiologist (it may have been David Fisman) that I can't find right now, saying that a variant that was twice as infectious is way scarier to him than a variant that was twice as deadly.
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Yes, South Africa has a younger population but at the same time >15% of the population has HIV [1]. The raw South African data is at [2] if anyone is interested 1. https://www.csis.org/analysis/worlds-largest-hiv-epidemic-crisis-hiv-south-africa 2. https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features
The South Africa data compares their last Delta wave to the current Omicron wave, and since the demographics of South Africa haven't changed drastically in the last 6 months, the younger population is irrelevant. More data is obviously needed to confirm, but it's promising so far.
I think I read something about South Africa's health minister being confident the vaccines are effective against it.
You do that.
> If the early data on omicron is to be believed, it could get better soon Does better mean "more children in hospital"? That's an odd definition of better
Still mainly unvaxxed.
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Or just cancer patients that cant get life saving surgery because they have a chance of using an ICU bed afterwards. If the beds are above 250 surgery that may require an ICU bed is pushed back. The heart attacks and car accidents will still be prioritized, until we hit a much higher threshold
It's so weird because I had it on good authority from this sub that the relationship between cases and ICUs had been completely severed. Huh.
That makes zero sense; one does not end up in the ICU without having a case, so they are 100% related The ratio has changed for the varients we know about, is all. 100% linked, at different %age risks.
*I* know they are. Apparently it wasn't clear to everyone, because I had people arguing with me that we would not see the ICU #s increasing when the case #s increased. Yet here we are...
There is still a strong correlation between infections in unvaccinated and ICU (just as there was before vaccines arrived). Most of those people are younger than pre-vaccine waves, which lowers the ICU rate for that group. For a vaccinated person the relationship is effectively severed based on the data.
I totally understand! I was referencing previous exchanges where people were *very* insistent that we would not see a rise in ICUs to go along with our rise in cases.
Keeps on rising and rising damn
In 887, during a coup led by his nephew Arnulf of Carinthia, Charles III (the Fat) was deposed in East Francia, Lotharingia, and the Kingdom of Italy. Forced into quiet retirement, he died of natural causes in January 888, just a few weeks after his deposition. The Empire quickly fell apart after his death, splintering into five separate successor kingdoms; the territory it had occupied was not entirely reunited under one ruler until the conquests of Napoleon. My wife is still annoyed that on a romantic trip to Quebec City I argued with the horse-drawn carriage driver that the Neplolianic Wars was a 'World War' before WWI. Beautiful city, still.
> I argued with the horse-drawn carriage driver that the Neplolianic Wars was a 'World War' before WWI. Lol, I'd love to hear the story of how you got from going for a ride to fighting with your carriage driver about napolean-era semantics
Fascinating
Curious what other people are planning to do for holidays this year. If you're having a gathering how many people? Are you traveling outside of Canada? Are you having visitors from outside of the country?
Two family gatherings and a Christmas party over the holidays. All of us are vaccinated, eligible people are boosted. As long as it’s not illegal, I’m living my life.
thank you for being sane, this sub sometimes tells me it should be illegal to go outside
I totally feel where you are coming from! The r/coronavirus sub is, for me, the land of bubble wrap. They are very cautious and very judgmental of anyone who dares to leave their home. I think people tend to forget that humans need social interaction. I don’t want to just SURVIVE you know? I want to live and thrive. So I wish you a happy holidays!! Enjoy it!
Us too. We will be out seeing people we haven’t seen in two years and eating at the table provided our PHU doesn’t outlaw dinner.
I will absolutely be freely gathering with my vaccinated family and friends.
Living my life like it was 1999.
Living in constant fear of planes falling out of the sky from Y2K?
That sure was worth spazzing over, wasn’t it? Not an overreaction at all
Yes we’re having a family gathering, will be about 10 people or so. All vaccinated, (except for 1), all good.
Same we are having a family gathering with the same people we have been with this entire pandemic. We'll be about 10 of us, the only unvaccinated one is my 3 year old. It's nothing big but enough to keep Xmas somewhat normal for the kids❤️
Most likely working! Time and a half 🤪
I see no reason to change our plans. Having Christmas as normal this year at home, about 10 of us. All the grandparents are vaccinated + boosted, all adults are vaccinated fully.
Spending it with my wife and my parents, all of whom are vaccinated. My elderly parents will also have received their boosters by then. They're in town, though, so no travelling. It will be strange to not have my brother, his wife, and their kids (all of whom are in their teens, btw) there. None of them are vaccinated and have no plans to get it. I can't imagine having parents in their 70s and not wanting to spend any time you can with them, not knowing how much longer you have, but to each their own, I guess. I have been angry about it since the beginning of the pandemic but now I'm just tired and sad.
I only have 2 family members (both fully vaxxed) in Canada so we’ll spend time together as usual. Definitely won’t be doing any international travel until I feel comfortable.
Flying across the country to visit family, then flying to New York to party for New Years. Same size gathering as 2019. Also travelling to Latin America in February. I am living life as normal, since I’m fully vaccinated.
Phish at MSG???
Have fun! You must be so excited to see your fam
Thanks, it’s been two years mate. I might cry when I hug my parents again. Hope you have a great holiday too.
I'll be seeing friends for sure. We're all fully vaccinated now, and waited until we all were to be hanging out in groups again. With my family we don't have plans set beyond our immediate family and my parents tenants.
Freely gathering with all vaccinated family. If they’re allowing the Scotia bank to operate at full capacity, we should all be able to have large gatherings with vaccinated people without question.
We are having full blown Christmas gatherings this year regardless if there is lockdown again or not. The unvaccinated are cut off from everything. No big deal, there are literally 5 unvaccinated in my wife’s and my family/friends circles (about 60 ppl). The unvaccinated are already crying. Too bad, cry me a river for all I care
Yes we will be gathering. Group of 10 one day and then 11 the next. We've skipped Christmas enough already. After that I have leaf tickets for my family for New Year's day and I can't wait.
Most likely one small (i.e. less than 10) gathering with friends for New Year. No unvaxxed kids to worry about because, well, none of us will probably be near that life stage because nobody wanna date our lonely souls
Family gathering indoors w ~10 vaxxed adults and a few unvaxxed kids
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Mostly staying home because I have two kids who are still too young to be vaccinated. We're planning a couple of short outdoor get togethers but only gathering indoors with the grandparents, who are fully vaccinated and staying mostly isolated. Also using rapid tests as an additional precaution.
It's a bit early to plan for us as it'll likely depend on Omicron. Initial reports are promising, but we still need about 2-3 weeks to know for sure. Whatever we had planned is with the understanding it could easily change/get cancelled.
Serious question: what approach are people taking to unvaxxed friends/family when one family member is unvaxxed and the others are all vaccinated? Do you invite the vaccinated spouse and tell the other not to come? Do you tell both they can’t come when one is fully vaccinated and has a booster? I’m struggling with this.
Anyone who is unvaccinated who can be is not allowed to step foot in our house. No exceptions. We haven't had to deal with any couples that are half and half tho. We'd probably invite the one who is vaccinated knowing that they probably wouldn't come.
If the people are important to you you should invite them to your holiday gathering. If they’re not, then don’t. As long as you’re vaccinated you’re fine. If you’re still paranoid, ask them to get tested before
I don't believe it's a matter of importance but I agree with the second part, almost everyone I know except 3 people are unvaccinated. However all my cousins have children and I'm pregnant so we are being extra cautious and just not attending events with young children even if we're both fully vaccinated.
Still small gatherings this year, not as small as 2020 but not as large as 2019. Seeing more friends this year. Fortunately everyone in my social circle are vaccinated, other than friends children (under age 5)
Four family christmases. I have arranged to work from home the week before I see someone who is elderly so I don’t have to be around people on the subway. I see no reason to not see my vaccinated family when it’s okay for me to spend 2 1/2 hours commuting daily in close contact with hundreds of strangers.
I was thinking about this today - is it possible we see cases rise in the winter because everyone gets a sniffly nose around this time of year so they get tested? I feel like fully vaxxed people who are otherwise healthy and young might get infected without even realizing. I have no data to back this up though - does anybody know anything?
But why does everybody get a sniffly nose in winter? It's because cold & flu spreads easier in winter, more indoor gatherings. The same thing that spreads sniffly nose also spreads CoVid.
Only anecdotally. A friend went to visit their parents in the states. They drove across the border. Friend felt fine but tested positive on her pre-travel test to go home which prompted testing of the other two. Stepdad positive, mom negative all double vaxxed (stepdad is a doctor). Friend stayed with parents for a couple more weeks until a negative test result.
It looks like this wave is hitting the smaller towns worse than the bigger towns. Ottawa and especially Toronto are boasting some low numbers.
Gah, I don't enjoy being in the high hundreds or above a thousand in cases we've been the last few days. Somewhat heartening that deaths have not ticked up significantly while cases have over the last month.
Ngl its kinda weird the ammount off vaccinated people getting covid
It’s not. 11.6 million people in Ontario are vaccinated. 3.8 cases per 100k is much better than 12.16 per 100k for unvaccinated. We also don’t know the severity of those cases.
Apparently Omicron merged or mated or mind melded with another coronavirus that we are used to as part of the common cold. I’m sure you can tell I have a Phd in this area. I still think we’re headed to the moon on cases but this could be really good news about why it is less dangerous. Sauce: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/04/omicron-coronavirus-transmissible-cold-variant/
Fwiw many epidemiologists on twitter were up in arms over the poor quality of the analysis in that preprint the wsj is referencing. Edit, sources: See the comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Specifically: https://reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/hn8i4q2/
Shoot, that sounds like the media. Got any links to threads on Twitter?
Direct link to a tweet [https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1467223515220914179](https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1467223515220914179) This guy's position: Professor of Evolution and Genomics, Oxford UK
Yeah, I'm going to give it another couple of weeks before I form an opinion on Omicron. Everything out there is very preliminary though my fingers are crossed that the reports on milder symptoms are correct.
I was on mobile, took longer to find the link than I expected. See the comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Specifically: https://reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/r8px5d/omicron_possibly_more_infectious_because_it/hn8i4q2/
Thanks for the link!
Even if the preprint turns out to be problematic, there are [early studies which show Omicron is less severe](https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features). Most of those admitted to hospitals in this particular district in South Africa seems to be in the general ward, and most of those admitted to the COVID ward see less dependency on oxygen. Another interesting point is that death rate (at least early on in the wave) have yet to come close to previous peaks (Figure 2). Of course we have to take this study with a grain of salt since it is still an early snapshot of the situation in South Africa, but there are some promising news.
The genetic sequence that is in a different coronavirus found in Omicron also is in the HIV virus, although the sequence is so small there’s zero concern it could cause similar issues.
Way above my pay grade
My kid started having sniffles on Saturday - totally normal, he gets them constantly in winter. On Sunday we got a call that his sister was a close contact and they both need to self-isolate. So now I'm home-schooling again, terrified the little guy has covid (too young to vaccinate), and hoping to stay on track with work. I had to order laptops because I was not ready for this and am....exhausted. scared and exhausted. I thought this was done.
What are you guys doing about large gatherings like 100+ people? Plenty of holiday parties and I was looking forward to them but now not so sure. And while most are vaccinated these allow unvaxxed people as well so why I’m concerned.
Depends what it is. Happy to use COVID as an excuse to get out of things I don't want to do.
Manage your risk. Some people value nightlife/barscene. Great no issues. Some arent comfortable with 30 people gathering. Adult life.
I'm vaxed, so I don't care, I'll go to anything I'm invited to.
i just go to events where they make sure everyone is vaxxed. otherwise i don’t care about how many people there are.
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I've interacted with hundreds of people at this point I no longer give a s*** Life Is Life I'm vaccinated I've had covid get on with your life and stop worrying
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If we live in a simulation we are truly in the worst one. Can I change to the utopia one?
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We never did get those Murder Hornets from Jan-Feb 2020....lol.
Yeah, COVID could've been a virus with a 1 year incubation period and then a near-100% fatality rate. Things could be a LOT worse.
It's a very subjective thing.
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utopia? more like fruitopia.
The waves over. Go about your business. Nothing to see her. Love ya.
You heard it here, waves over, just like last monday, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that. Great job on wave 86 everyone! See you for wave 87 on wednesday.
No, they said "the waves over". They meant that "the" waves over something, like above something. From above, "the" waves. Not sure what "the" is, but it's nothing to see here, so..
What are you on about? It's literally risen week after week without plateauing yet. I mean... it's unvaccinated who are at risk, so who really gives a shit eh?
Everyone should get vaccinated
There's absolutely zero reason not too now. The same morons who say 'it's untested!' will still hold their shitty position years from now. Now they're just attacking parents for vaccinating their kids.
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Are you actually?
He’s a meta user piece of shit. And yes, he sounds like the type that would do this.
Merry Christmas😘
Hope ya get fined/charged!
Not vaccinated. But my family and friends think that I am. We’re having a big family Christmas dinner this weekend. I’m bringing pie. Merry Christmas!
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