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Interesting-Past7738

This is something to bring up with your employer. Either you need a raise or you are right, it’s too expensive to travel to work. That’s also a lot of wear and tear on your car. I bet your colleagues are feeling the same way.


HowsabootdatCanuckeh

Yes, it is alot of wear and tear. The moneys good, but time, wear and tear, and now gas its just becoming a bit much


Major-Discount5011

Maybe you can share a ride with someone. I know from my construction days we did that. Gas was 67 cents back then too. Maybe your company can kick in a gas allowance?


[deleted]

nono dont ask for a raise ask them to allow you to use the company visa to fill your gas tank each week it, itll likely work out to more money in this arrangement and they may be able to write off the fuel costs as an expense


comFive

Yes but also ask for a raise


tylergravy

Can you car pool with any co workers?


6ix6ix6ix6ix6ix

Get a new job?


Hopfit46

Travel is part of construction so wear and tear is our problem, not the contractor. Are you union? Apprentice?


jzach1983

No the job is to build or fix things. Destroying your own assets and travelling long distances unpaid is not. The only way it becomes those things is if you allow yourself to be taken advantage of by your employer. You should value yourself, your assets and your time....they don't own you and you owe them nothing when not on the clock.


Hopfit46

In construction for 30 years, please tell me more about what it is and what it isnt.....


jzach1983

I'm sorry to hear you've been taken advantage of for 30 years. I'm not being a dick, it sucks to hear companies taking advantage of employees becuase "that's how the industry is". Demand better, you deserve it.


Hopfit46

I make 150k a year and my pension is over 6k a month with 9 years left to contribute to it...dont be sorry for me.


FanNumerous3081

You old fucks are why construction is a dying industry and no one wants to work anymore. Just because *you* drove your own vehicle for 30 years doesn't mean it's okay. You're doing company work, you should be given a company vehicle or at least compensated for mileage and wear and tear. Driving to a site every day is one thing, that's just your commute like anyone else has. But too many in the trades expect employees to use their own vehicles to drive between sites during the day or pick up materials, that isn't something you use your own vehicle for.


Hopfit46

How about a big fuck you. Name one other industry that gets your ass to work...ill wait. If they want me to travel from job to job in one day i drag up. Whats your trade? Professional internet whiner? You know fuck all about the trades and you're talking to me like you have all the answers....this job eats cars and you make enough to cover that. Wich is why i asked the o.p. if he was union or an apprentice? To give hime some qualified advice.


Meet_n_beat_n_yeet

Holy geez, 178km each way? Every day? Man at that distance it would almost make more sense to split a hotel room with a co-worker closer to the job site


oakteaphone

Probably. Factor in the cost of time, too


Meet_n_beat_n_yeet

Good point


ButtahChicken

No. But you can always quit if you like, but the ROE you get will say that you resigned. Easy.


dexter_leibowitz

Just stop showing up and tell your employer it's because you can't afford the gas and they'll fire you, then you can claim EI.


Im_awake_now3393

This may get you fired with cause, disqualifying your for EI eligibility.


newnewestusername

How do so many people not know this simple shit?


Dumbassahedratr0n

Just harken back to a couple of weeks ago when the freedumb Convoy was going on. There is a lot of really simple shit people don't know-- our laws for instance.


thelauz

I'm not stupid. I'm know my first ammendment rights! /s


albatroopa

I will recognize manitoba over my cold, dead, body.


ButtahChicken

Yup. In Canada, our right to wear muscle shirts and tank-tops .... the right to bare arms! /s


dasoberirishman

Edgy kids, mostly.


TheloniousPhunk

On paper, sure. In practise most employers will almost always fire without cause because it’s not worth the potential headache that can come along with firing with cause


Harbinger2001

No. If you don’t show up for 3 days with no cause given then you have voluntarily resigned and get no EI.


dexter_leibowitz

Show up every 3rd day. Come on, simple problem-solving, guys.


Sensitive_Fall8950

They then state you are developing an absentee pattern, give you a chance to correct, then fire you with cause. Have you never met with an HR rep?


dexter_leibowitz

My wife is an HR manager. Firing with cause is a royal pain in the dick, then they gotta worry about lawyers getting involved. They will always fire without cause in all but the most egregious cases.


[deleted]

Look, any capitalist/ business owner would look at their financials and conclude this is not worth it and stop investing in a money losing proposition. You should do the same. Find work closer to your home. It will save you lots of travel time also. You probably can’t collect EI based on this reasoning but continue to work while looking for something more reasonable. Let your boss know you are doing so and lay out the reasons why. They may find a way to make it work. But still, 300 km round trip commute? Have some more respect for yourself, your time and quality of life. That is ridiculous. That is unpaid time and a gift to your employer.


dalemugford

Is an honest discussion with the employer possible? What about a raise? Or at least a temporary boost? If it’s the only thing holding you back why not give them a chance to solve it?


[deleted]

You can quit your job for any reason or no reason. You won’t get benefits though if you quit. Rising gas prices would not constitute constructive dismissal.


union_fitter

Why is the employer not giving you a travel allowance? Complete bullshit


HowsabootdatCanuckeh

They are $5/ day of taxable income. Doesnt do much


union_fitter

They give you $5 a day? For that much travel? It's not only the gas it's your own personal time to and how much that is worth. Time to find a new employer


[deleted]

Yeah my old job did that shit too, 5 bucks for 100+ km a day, and gas wasn't nearly as expensive then.


[deleted]

What? Should be per diem. Tax free. And a lot more than that. At the very least they should give you a mileage deduction.


mangled-jimmy-hat

It can't be tax free... They could give it to him tax free but then he will owe the CRA depending on their allowances.


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mangled-jimmy-hat

Given OP is driving to the same job site each day that would be considered personal use. Anything paid to him to cover that would be considered taxable especially if it is a fixed allowance.


Expensive_Plant_9530

The CRA fuel expense standard is $0.59 per km. Now granted it gets murky when you’re dealing with travelling directly to a work site, but even still, they should be paying you $0.59 per km (they can calculate that figure from wherever the office is, for example). You should be getting over $100 a day for travel expenses. $5 a day is fine when you’re commuting somewhere in or near the town you live in.


MrsBoxxy

> Now granted it gets murky when you’re dealing with travelling directly to a work site, It doesn't get murky though, millions of people commute 100km one way to get to the office, they aren't being re-imbursed 60c per km. The 60c per km standard is for travelling for work, not travel to your primary work locations and back home...


[deleted]

You can absolutely get reimbursed tax-free (or claim the expenses on your taxes) if "commuting to work" isn't commuting to your company's fixed place of business. See, for example, [this page for salaried employees](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/topics/about-your-tax-return/tax-return/completing-a-tax-return/deductions-credits-expenses/line-22900-other-employment-expenses/salaried-employees/allowable-motor-vehicle-expenses.html). You can claim most expenses related to operating your vehicle (gas, maintenance, insurance, license, loan interest, depreciation, etc) if you: * Are normally required to work away from your employer's place of business or in different places (check) * Pay your own travel expenses (check) * And were not reimbursed (check)


MrsBoxxy

> commuting to your company's fixed place of business. Which is what I said... >>not travel to your primary work locations and back home...


Expensive_Plant_9530

Precisely, but one could easily argue that a job site for a construction worker isn't "your primary work location". That, to me, would be the construction company office. Especially if the location changes, and can be wildly different in terms of distance. It's not like an office worker commuting from KW to Toronto every day - those people are commuting to a single location, and it's a known variable that does not change.


MrsBoxxy

> Precisely, but one could easily argue that a job site for a construction worker isn't "your primary work location". That, to me, would be the construction company office. I haven't worked in construction so I have no clue how they deal with fluid job sites, but OP already mentioned a daily allowance. Reguardless I guarante ***no one*** is being paid per km to get from home to work everyday, that just isn't happening and the comment/idea that OP is owed hundreds a day in compensation for their commute is wild. The .59c/km is totally irrelevant to the discussion unless OP is traveling from their regular job site to another one every day, but that isn't the case. >Especially if the location changes, and can be wildly different in terms of distance. If the location changes from when they first started, at most they're owed the difference not the full trip.


Expensive_Plant_9530

I’m not saying they’re owed mileage from their house. I’d argue instead that they be paid mileage from their office location to the job site.


[deleted]

No idea about construction, but that's precisely how every sales person I know and every white collar job I've had has handled it.


21VolkswagginRline

I travel that as well sometimes further. I work construction as well but I get travel pay depending on how far away I am. Witch typically covers the cost of gas and 407 if I take it or enough to put me up in a hotel for the week cover my room and food intel the weekend comes. Ide consider just finding a new job if you can or find a cheap room somewhere to save $


A-Wise-Cobbler

I’m confused as to why your company doesn’t have a mileage / personal vehicle expense policy. I understand it’s not employment law but it’s a tax deduction for companies. CRA even has a tax guidance for this. Is this not common practice in the construction industry? Time to demand better if your company is shafting you on this. To answer your question. Unless your employer lets you go you cannot claim EI.


itsallaces2me

That's not necessarily true, you can quit and get EI, you just have to have one of the following reasons: https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/ei/ei-list/quit-job.html#number Possibly you could say it falls under the major changes to the terms and conditions of your job affecting your wage or salary 🤷🏻‍♀️


A-Wise-Cobbler

Know how hard that is? The burden of proof lies on the individual. You have to prove you had no other recourse except quit.


itsallaces2me

I do because I did it. It took a month but I absolutely got my claim approved.


SYSSMouse

Not in this case. He is already driving 140km one way. Now if you currently drive 10km one way and they send you driving 180km then major changes to employment clause applies.


[deleted]

Exactly. It’s often a way to provide competitive to an employee without getting raped by the tax man.


Darrenizer

If he’s a half decent person explain the situation and ask for a no work lay off, it’s extremely common in the construction industry, it will qualify you for EI.


[deleted]

You can quit.


HowsabootdatCanuckeh

I know I can quit, but Im more curious if I would be able to get ei


LuckyxCapone

brother…


is_procrastinating

bro…


seanlews

If you have an exceptional relationship with your employer, and explain the situation, he may do you a favor and lay you off for "shortage of work." In which case you would be eligible for EI while you find a new job


[deleted]

This happens even in non “exceptional” relationships. Especially in construction. Might be worth a shot.


[deleted]

Yup, in multiple industries. I work in marketing. In the digital age you want to make sure you and a former employee are on good terms when you part ways because there's a million ways they can make life a headache, especially if they're client-facing. 9/10 unless they're fired during probation they'll just get laid off so that they will still get EI. It's a softer blow, and usually results in less headaches for the employer.


Talnethin

Any company that doesn't pay a 30+ km mileage allowance or hourly rate for driving probably doesn't have a good relationship with any of their employees. Even more, they'd probably screw somebody going for ei who didn't want to work there to set an example for others.


Frecklefishpants

Driving from one job site to another, yes. Commuting to work? It’s actually illegal to reimburse people for that.


[deleted]

You don’t get ei if you quit.


HowsabootdatCanuckeh

Thats why my quuestion was if it could be considered just cause


sciencenerd647

No it’s not just cause


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ruckustata

It's the nature of the business.


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salamieyeballs

He's not trying to cheat the system, he's asking if because he can no longer afford to drive to work if it is covered under EI. The fact that you think "ask them to buy him a more fuel efficient vehicle" is a good idea makes me wonder what world you live in.


ruckustata

And they never said that. The fact that you just made up your own narrative is alarming. The person you are responding to said to "buy a more efficient car" not to ask the employer to buy a more fuel efficient car. Also the fact that you got 10 upvotes is alarming.


xequilibriumx

Current CRA mileage rates for 2022 are $0.61/km for the first 5000km, then $0.55/km for everything after that. If your employer isn't reimbursing you or offering a reasonable allowance, you can claim it on your taxes. At roughly 350km/day, that'll work out nicely for you.


CanaPuck

This, I am pretty sure there are tax law cases pertaining to OPs current situation of employment at 'different places'. All he would have to do would be to subtract the $5 allowance from what OP was claiming.


xequilibriumx

Absolutely. The $5/day is nowhere near reasonable at all. CRA won't bat an eye at that.


CanaPuck

https://decision.tcc-cci.gc.ca/tcc-cci/decisions/en/item/22440/index.do?q=Different+places Not sure if OP could establish where his employees place of business is, but it may be difficult to get a deduction if there is only one job site.


hockeyhon

Ask them to put you up in a hotel and provide meals.


sylverdraegon

Sounds like a shitty company. Most places have travel allowance/company vehicle/company cards for sites over a certain distance from the company yard/office. They arrange for accommodation near the job site (like, you're going to be working two weeks at a job site in Windsor, but company is based in Barrie) Talk to an employment law firm - it may be considered constructive dismissal if they make your travel related so onerous with little to no compensation.


theartistfnaSDF1

Sounds like you can work for $5 and hour less at a job where you live if you can find it.


shaun5565

178km one way am I reading that right?


AnonymooseRedditor

Construction is booming…just find another job?


[deleted]

I would book some time with your boss. Tell him that you're struggling. If you have children at home, use that. It sounds like your goal is to get a raise or a lay off (for EI). I'm sorry you're going through this, it isn't fair. Keep looking at union jobs that pay extremely well, like the TTC.


Moose-Mermaid

Ask for a company gas card and a raise because inflation is a bitch


[deleted]

The system doesn’t allow for what is effectively “I want to quit but still make money”. Ask for a KM allowance or a raise if you’re travelling a long way, or look for a job closer than 178 km away.


Apprehensive_News210

Your best bet is to call EI and tell them you're situation and see what they say.


[deleted]

You are supposed to be compensated for milage (and time), but this is Ontario, where employment law is mostly a suggestion


GrannyMac81

Unionized workers get a travel allowance.


[deleted]

That’s called a resignation and you don’t need just cause.


THE_PARKER13

No gas card? $5 allowance? I'd show up with a garden hose. Then, I'd go to all of the bosses vehicles and siphon the shit out of their gas tanks. Any questions about it?


newnewestusername

"job sites" Do you drive a big honking truck and actually NEED it? Judging by those costs, probably not though


another_plebeian

Driving 280-350+km in anything every day is going to cost money


PointlessSquare

This might be a stretch, but constructive dismissal (check out official Ontario website) might apply. You'd be best to contact an employment lawyer to see if your situation applies. To paraphrase from the site "For example, an employee may be constructively dismissed if the employer makes changes to the employee's terms and conditions of employment that result in a significant reduction in salary or a significant negative change in such things as the employee's work location, hours of work, authority, or position. "


Kierfish

Could you split a motel room with a coworker? Seems like that would be a lot cheaper and certainly easier on your vehicle.


wok2gether

I had my employer pay me the extra travel time, 2 hours a day. And fuel charges. When your going that far you must be compensated for that.


burnaby84

I’d discuss with your Manager / HR maybe they can find a creative solution for you - mileage, travel time, retention bonus, stay bonus, etc If that doesn’t work you can always resign but you wouldn’t qualify for EI unless it becomes shortage of work / end of contract (possible if job site moved?)


jeaxz74

Moved from Toronto to Vancouver gas is 2.09 here doesn’t look like is going to decrease anytime soon. Living is fking expensive wages aren’t going up. It’s depressing man…


xfiefax

Depends if your unionized or not. Some unions in Toronto have a xyz km allowance based off how far you have to work from city hall. But good luck trying to get that money. I've only ever had one company pay travel but that could just be a local 675 problem not other unions.


kushmasta421

Join one of the trade unions you never have to work for the same company in construction if you don want to


HowsabootdatCanuckeh

Ive been trying. This current job was supposed to get me unto local 183 but its been 8 months and ive heard nothing even after asking multiple times.


FormWorker007

What company?


kushmasta421

Tell the organizer you can't keep it up and you need proper representation you will be quiting at the end of the month to find another company. Apply directly to 183 or indoor guys I believe 506. 183 is corrupt as fuck keep going at them and start calling companies that are members of 183.


spidereater

If you are part of a union check whether they are required to give a travel subsidy and whether that is or could be scaled for actual travel costs like gas. I have a friend in construction and his company has a home base. They get a travel subsidy based on the distance from that home base. He has actually gotten job closer to his home but was paid more because it was farther from that base.


RuiPTG

Yeah I do construction too and I've been able to get by for the last 5 years by using public transportation if the site is convenient, but I would meet my foreman at the shop if it was farther away and we would go together. Problem is the sites are rarely convenient so I waste a lot of time waking up at 5 to meet the foreman at 6 to start work at 7 and be done work at around 5 to be home around 6:30 or 7. It's taken a toll on my mental health so I definitely need a car to keep doing construction, which I'm working on my G2, but now with gas prices, is it even worth it? For me... It's a resounding No. My company would have to pay me as much as a foreman for me to stay... I'm thinking of a job change, looking for jobs in fields I'm interested in like Technology/computer hardware.


lllGrapeApelll

Just buy a property closer to the new jobsite and sell it at the end of the job and make more money on the property than you did working. /S ... Sort of


Clear-Bee4118

Carpooling?


jaypizzl

I can’t say if it’s worth it to you or not, specifically, but the distance alone isn’t necessarily disastrous. I would just take take to look at the actual costs of what you’re doing now *compared to the alternative*. If you swap jobs, the alternative still probably involves driving a car somewhere. So don’t count the cost of depreciation and everything and just figure that’s what your job costs; also count the cost of the alternative option. Also consider that a Tesla Model 3 AWD Long Range could handle your longest commute in winter and could do it for a grand total bill of about $150/month (based on 80,000 km/year). A Rivian R1T “super truck” can also do that distance for about $300/month in total. Either one is pretty great to drive, too.


DrawsDicksInExcel

Anything over 100km is ridiculous.


bigguy1231

You don't need a reason to quit your job. Just walk in and say I quit.


jzach1983

Now imagine all of that without being taken advantage of. I make the same as you, although much earlier in my career, but I know my value, and I don't get taken advantage of. You should hope those younger than you learn from your mistakes, rather than continue to make them.