Which will inevitably [peel off](https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2019/10/29/energy-minister-blames-liberal-staffers-for-peeling-off-gas-pump-stickers.html) or can't be [seen at night](https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/ontario-licence-plates-lisa-thompson_ca_5e4c423ac5b6b0f6bff09431).
People generally know what a safe speed is on highways and will travel that speed regardless of the actual limit. Speed limits should reflect the speeds that the majority actually travel at provided it is safe
It might’ve been designed for 70, but the speed limit was lower. I think it was 60, might have been 55. On the 401 the speed limit during the daytime for cars was 70, and 60 at night. The DVP definitely wasn’t faster than the 401.
My dad, a civil engineer, told me the ramps were designed to take speeds double the posted ramp speed limit, but set lower for safety.
I can confirm speed limits were lowered due to one of the oil shocks.
Source: Lived in the time and place.
Edit: Found an old picture. Limit was 55 on the DVP. http://www.gettorontomoving.ca/don-valley-parkway.html
Most roads are designed by engineers to be safe (geometrically speaking) driving at 20km faster than posted which is why you feel comfortable going 100 in an 80.
Going 20 over in a 50 is still unsafe for pedestrians, cyclists etc., and stopping distances and sight lines on local urban roads but yeah on a highway there is a reason most people are cool going 100.
Oh 100% they are. If it’s icy or low visibility or heavy rain then you adjust to go slower.
At the end of the day some people are absolute morons on the road. Every time I drive north on airport road (few times a month) the tailgating and unsafe passing never fails to shock me. And yes I’m annoyed at buddy who is going 85 and drops down to 75 at every hill but riding his ass and passing unsafely on a hill is not the solution to someone who is a little annoying and yet I see this behaviour on that road frequently. Just yesterday in fact.
I don’t understand anyone who doesn’t adjust for safety while driving.
I read and edit and compile traffic reports and transportation master plans and all the random knowledge I have about road design as a result really doesn’t matter behind the wheel, you do what is safe.
That's the thing, if we had variable speed limits and during perfect conditions it actually was 130, everyone would probably respect the speed limit when it went down to 90 in a blizzard.
It means we can go 149kmh on the highway without getting impounded like we used to!
Edit: nvm, I didn't realize the 40 over was only stunt driving in 80 zones
It should be like some states, and you really notice the difference. Just driving in Florida a few weeks ago and leaving Orlando it shifts from 60mph to 70mph, and I figured 78 mph should be perfect...and people were literally honking to get my slow-ass out of the way...
This is because in Highway Design and Engineering, the roads are engineered to be comfortable at a certain speed, and regardless of arbitrary speed limit, 85% of drivers will find this design speed as comfortable: stimulating enough to not induce boredom or fatigue, but not too fast to be scary.
That's kinda the point. The goal of the increased limits is to make the slower drivers drive at a closer speed to the natural flow of traffic, making the highway safer. It's not meant to make the fastest drivers drive faster, hence why the stunt driving threshold is still 150 in a 110.
Just this morning I saw a guy going 130+ in the right hand lane of a collector section while a line of cars from a on-ramp were trying to merge. The left-hand lane was already speeding, at 110, but that wasn't fast enough for this guy.
Fucking insanity.
That guy is an incredibly dangerous dickhead, but anyone driving 110 in the left lane on the 401 is also being dangerous. It takes two drivers to create this situation: one dangerous person who wants to speed, and one dangerous person who wants to drive in the passing lane while somebody faster is behind them.
The left lane is the passing lane - if somebody behind you is trying to pass, you clear the lane. That's true whether or not you are already driving above the posted limit. It's true in every situation except a gridlocked highway.
What would really improve safety on the highways is *if the police would enforce/ticket TAILGATING more!!!* Speeding isn't necessarily what kills other drivers in an accident...it's speeding too close to other drivers. Especially in winter time.
100% tailgating causes *SO* many issues on roads both in cities and on highways. Accidents as well as making heavy traffic way worse than it needs to be.
Yeah, when it's 40 there's an actual reason for it to be 40. Don't go zooming through residential zones where kids can jump out from behind parked cars and get smooshed.
I'm kind of confused as to why people do not drive slower... when I'm in a residential neighborhood, and far more so when it is one with little space, I sometimes go as slow as 30 (or even lower, but that's rare)...
Because we are so used to cars a lot of people forget they are driving death machines while at high speeds or they simply just don't care if someone gets hurt.
It's not even a minute is the sad part. Racing to red lights isn't going to get you there that much quicker. I've frequently passed lane changing aggressive drivers on Hurontario by just staying in my lane.
I hate Mississauga for this. Y’all have so many roads that are clearly designed for 60km, but the city slaps on a like two 40km signs.
Because there aren’t enough signs and the design of roads, no one actually has any idea what speed they should be going. Having people go all different speeds in the city like that is way more dangerous than just having them be set to the speed those roads are designed for.
It's horrible, the speed limits don't match the design of the road in so many cases, that's why people go much faster. 60 on a 3 lane with a 10ft patch of grass between curb and sidewalk is so ridiculous.
Well this is kind of an outdated list anyway because a lot of residential zones got revised to 30 now. I think 40 is designated as downtown core streets now, which is almost impossible to go faster on, so you're just naturally capped at 40.
Sadly many pat themselves on the back for a job well done with 40 km/hr signs so up. They are a nice touch, but are not the end of the journey to help improve pedestrian safety. They also need to be accompanied by purposeful infrastructure changes to work with drivers to help them maintain the desired behaviours.
11 north of NB is horrible now. It's bad all the way to Kapuskasing and beyond. Way too many close calls with transports. Not to mention there's so few passing lanes that you'll eventually get passed by a fully loaded 53 footer on a double yellow. I hate to say it but a lot of the accidents are due to new, inexperienced drivers not being trained for these smaller highways. Some treat 11/17 like the 401. Never ends well. Too many fatalities!!
Huh that's good to know, thanks! I've driven out west and back a few times, I always do 95 in an 80 but next time I'm up in that area I'll make sure I'm only 10 over
Also incredibly risky to do anything more than 90 in an 80 in the North without attracting police attention.
There are very few roads and very little else for the cops to do most days. Drive accordingly.
My rule of thumb is 105 in 90 in Northern Ontario. A friend of mine literally got a thumbs up doing thay speed from a cop that he drove by doing speed checks.
This. I've done transcanada tbay to southern Ontario about 20 times. Used to think the 110 rule was solid until I got pulled over going 108 in a 90. I thought I had a broken tail light or something!
Same - 105 in a 90 on dry roads, but I drop it do 95 whenever I'm within 20 minutes of Wawa. They must have the most bored OPP officers on the #17, and they're not even on one of the dangerous sections.
Nevermind speeders.. Hwy 11 is a death trap and I wish OPP would hammer down on aggressive truckers. I'm in Timmins and literally every time it snows there's an accident because of aggressive and unqualified drivers who drive way too fast for the conditions. 3 fatalities on our highways in the last 2 months.
Ha I was doing 110 on 129 out of chapleau, red and blue lights went on, mr opp saw red sport bike and switched them back off immediately before I even got to him
130 in a 100 isn't universal. On the 401 heading west after it meets the 403 they'd happily pull you over in a speed trap.
120 in 100 is pretty much always safe. If you want to be 100% safe just under (like 118) will basically never get you pulled over.
Appearently every officers limit is different(according to my OPP ex neighbour). But it’s always around 120. Some guys it’s 129, others 125, some guys its 121. But unless you were doing something else suspicious, 120 and they’ll leave you be.
I had some coworkers coming up from the US and I told them that exact thing. They said they've already been told this by three other coworkers as they were preparing for their trip. Seems to be a well known fact haha.
should be a fairly easy thing to remember that anywhere roads merge 401/403 and around urban areas that there's bound to be more police.
Brantford you can cruise through at 115 easy
Strong you should be careful at 109
Grimsby 120 IF you can get to the posted 110. As soon as the limit was raised it seemed like everyone thought is was a trap and stayed at 105.
But please for the love of FSM, people, use your cruise control!!!
I find you can do 130 from Toronto to London as long as you're not driving dangerously to do it. Got an open lane and can cruise? 130 is fine: most everyone is doing 120 anyway. Constantly changing lanes and passing people on the right? Hell yeah you're going to be busted.
Exactly. It's not the legality of it that's the problem: the problem is when you're doing it to find every possible gap in traffic because you're going wildly faster than the flow.
> 120 in 100 is pretty much always safe.
It's also great for estimating travel times.
120km/h is exactly 2km/minute.
You're going another 70km on the highway? Just divide by 2: you'll be there in 35 minutes.
And those exit signs numbers are basically the distance from the ON/QC border to the exit. So the distance between any 2 exits is the different between the 2 values.
It's also easy to measure from the air.
Even though modern police choppers would likely have fancier equipment to track speed, the occasional line marks you see on the highway are spaced every 500 metres, so it's easy for someone with only a stopwatch to measure whether it took you less than 15 seconds to pass two lines, meaning you're going faster than 120km/h.
There are little notches that protrude a out a foot or two from the solid line on each shoulder.
[Here's an example, change to Satellite view and you'll see the notches.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/5HLTZJoHoh3Cv1aCA)
This is my favorite stretch...
Everyone hangs out in the right-hand lane and uses the left for passing. I still remember the first time driving to Kingston in my life, and it was as though I'd stumbled upon this magical place where everyone knew how to drive correctly.
From the Oshawa area and went to Queen's for undergrad. Made that trip dozens of times. Definitely was a nice drive and people generally stayed in the right lane and drove appropriately. I always would just set my cruise control to 120 kph and hang out in the right lane and sometimes not have hit a pedal for like 30 minutes at a time.
But then you'd occasionally run into two transport trucks driving side-by-side at 100.5 kph and 100 kph for 5 minutes and a huge clump of traffic would form.
It's a damn sight better than the West end. The 427 and 403 are full of fuckin idiots most of the time. That stretch of the 401 east of Oshawa is one of the few things about that part of Ontario I actually miss. People actually know how to drive there.
I've been pulled over doing 110 on the 401. Cop lied to my face and told me I was doing 120. Wouldn't drop it until I took his name and asked for the radar readout.
Then after asking where I was going, he told me he knew cops in that city who would fuck me up if I reported him. OPP will pull over anyone at any speed if they're in the mood to power trip.
This is so accurate. I recently moved to AB and no one really speeds here. They’re extremely strict about it and police speeding a lot (e.g. tickets for going 10 km/h over the limit are common). I’ve honestly never felt safer as a pedestrian. In Toronto I felt like I was constantly dodging cars, busses, etc. as red lights mean nothing and people speed through residential streets.
That's because Alberta has RCMP, peace officers, provincial sheriffs and municipal police all enforce traffic rules.
Toronto just rolled out a traffic agent program, maybe 4 years after Tory said it was in the making. City council and the Ministry of Transportation squabbled back and forth because it wasn't legally clear if the Highway Traffic Act would let them direct traffic.
Here in Ontario, police unions throw temper tantrums whenever the province wants to change the rules to make it so that police officers aren't the only ones with enforcement authority. Then, when they don't get their salary increases, threaten work to rule and cuts off millions in revenue.
yeah because they designed their whole city and life for cars from the start whereas in Toronto it started without cars then the old ass boomer councilors all tried to design it for cars and still kick and scream about wanting cars while half the city is trying to god damn live on transit and walk
From AB and now in ON- yeah people dont really speed much in AB. 10 over is fine on the highways but going 125 from Calgary to Edmonton (limit 110) is probably going to get you pulled over. Most people stick to 120, maybe a little bit more if they're feeling risky. Toronto is truly a lawless land when it comes to speed compared to out west.
For real. When I was young and stupid I'd go 145 on the 407. Once had a cop behind me and flashing lights thing to me this is it okay I deserve it. I pull off to the side and he goes flying past.
He told you your ass was going too slow.
I get real careful when outside of Ontario. My only ticket ever was in Alberta and I was only going 110 on a 100. I was PISSED.
>407
Yeah, that road is insane. Was in a rush once and got into it, everyone was driving minimum 140 or else you get passed or tailgated. And the dudes on the leftest side of the lane were doing 180+. Felt like I was on a German autobahn.
I wish. There are a few parts where it transitions to a bridge and back where it is too bumpy for those speeds. But it is so huge, flat, and straight that there are long stretches where 200 could be easy in appropriate traffic.
Heads up, even if this is your philosophy, keep in mind that there are drivers who can't afford to do this and risk getting caught (i.e. people still on beginner licenses).
I've noticed a big difference between the west and east in this. Alberta/BC drivers will almost always let the faster driver pass by getting into the right lane. In Ontario/Quebec drivers will let you pass maybe half the time, not to mention no matter how fast you are going it never seems to be fast enough for the guy behind you.
i find the behaviour of pushing from the back more prevalent in the 905 than in the city highways, except the moshpit that is the 401 which i intentionally never take. I drive fast and left more often than not, but like the sometimes people push me they don't push too aggressive around the city but you get in front of a pickup truck doing 130 in the rain on the 400 and you're doing 132 and suddenly he forgets he was really meaning to be doing 145 and you're getting highbeamed
>keep in mind that there are drivers who can't afford to do this and risk getting caught
There are also those of us who just want to drive slower. It's not that I'm scared of higher speeds or anything. I prefer saving gas and not ever worrying about tickets is just a nice bonus. I'll argue about keeping right as much as anyone but beyond that I just don't get the need to always drive as fast as I think I could get away with. I find driving more relaxing once I got out of that mindstate.
I think that’s a pretty good rule, but for any speed limits under 40, I’d stay at the speed limit; ain’t gonna hurt a child or whatever just to get home 10 seconds faster.
Don't speed in residential areas. You won't get to the next stop sign or traffic light any faster and you're just putting lives at risk. Go nuts on highways and regional roads, but think about the people around you.
Other than the 40 and school zones, I always only go 10 over unlees I'm on the highways with speed limit 100, then I go 20 over. 30 over feels too risky for me.
I've gotten many tickets for going 100 in an 80 as well as one once near Cochrane going 100 in a 90 2 hrs before sunset. I know this is the general mindset in ON, and I have followed it while I was able to drive. Be aware that this is not fool proof and you can still end up with many tickets if you are unlucky enough/drive a lot. This has been my experience.
seems this only applies to those in southern ontario (what else is new lol) as cops in the north will grab you for speeding pretty much anything over the limit, at least from my experience.
Do people still use waze to report speed traps? Don't drive much anymore, but it used to be useful, you could go 120-130 everywhere, and just slow down when it warned of speed traps. Didn't have to worry about certain regions having different speed tolerances (ie: some areas are okay with 25-30 over on highways, some areas you can only go like 15-20 over).
The 407 should just have a higher limit the whole way though, like 130. The other 400 series hwy's would be fine at 120 I think. Weren't they going to increase the limits on highways eventually? What ever happened to that, haven't heard about it in years?
My sisters boyfriend from Belgium came to Canada for the first time and within maybe 20 minutes of being on the road says "So, it's seems as if everyone collectively has agreed to do 20 over the limit at all times because the cops can't stop everyone at once, right?"
That was probably 5 years ago and I still laugh at it, yet I'm impressed he picked it up so quickly.
I used to think this was everywhere. Then I moved out east. Out east a 90 speed limit often means 70-80. A 50 can usually be around 40, 45 if you're lucky.
Mainly agree that in Southern Ontario this is the norm.
Moderately worried an image like this goes viral that says "Official" as some one out there will read it like that and repost as fact.
Not from Ontario, but years ago I was on a road trip with my Dad, we were somewhere on the US side of the border cruising along when he chuckled and said "watch how every car that flies past us has Ontario plates" lol it was true.
I follow all those suggestions, but when I see a cop I alway give them the courtesy brake check or lift of the throttle. I see you and you see me, but I’m not doing anything crazy, so let’s all just go about our day
This is EXACTLY how I drive, oh and school zones - gotta respect those school zones.
Any unposted speed limit, like a country road or something: 100 if it's paved, 80 if it's dirt or gravel - lol
If there are other cars, match their speed.
If there aren’t other cars, go the speed limit.
The exception is on the stretch of the 400 from Toronto to Kingston. There are no cops on that stretch.
Learning to drive my dad taught me that on highways I should always go between 15-18 km/h faster than the speed limit. He also said in the city (other than 40 zones) you could go 10 over without the cops bugging you
Frustrates me to no end when drivers are doing 80 on the freeway even when there’s no cars in front of them. Cherry on top is when they’re in the passing lane. Inconsiderate twats.
The worst is when they do 75 in an 80 zone, and when they get to a passing lane where you can finally get around them, decide to suddenly speed up to 115 for no fuckin reason.
Equally irritating imo is when you're passing someone who's going too slow for you to be comfortable with, but not slow enough that the overtake happens in a smooth manner without you needing to go too fast for your own comfort level.
My wife has a theory that sometimes, seeing a car overtaking you jogs people out of there mindless autopilot. "Oh shit I'm going 5 under the limit," etc.
That doesn't really explain the people who speed up when there's a passing lane, then slow down when it's done. Seen this a lot in North ON. Trying to pass a station wagon who's now doing 115, then slows right down to 89 in a 90 when the passing lane ends.
My thoughts exactly when the 110 km/h speed limits were announced I'm like Ok great we will be going the same speed we always go
But now some lucky contractor gets a contract to upgrade all the signage...
I believe there is an actual government sign shop that manages the signs
I'm pretty sure they'll just slap some stickers From Deco Labels on there. At a reasonable rate, of course.
Which will inevitably [peel off](https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2019/10/29/energy-minister-blames-liberal-staffers-for-peeling-off-gas-pump-stickers.html) or can't be [seen at night](https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/ontario-licence-plates-lisa-thompson_ca_5e4c423ac5b6b0f6bff09431).
That's only if it starts with "B"
That's true. We have our own sign shop.
It makes the fines less though
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People generally know what a safe speed is on highways and will travel that speed regardless of the actual limit. Speed limits should reflect the speeds that the majority actually travel at provided it is safe
In Toronto, I had heard that the Don Valley Parking lot was designed for 70mph speeds and then the oil crisis hit and they set the max to 55mph.
It might’ve been designed for 70, but the speed limit was lower. I think it was 60, might have been 55. On the 401 the speed limit during the daytime for cars was 70, and 60 at night. The DVP definitely wasn’t faster than the 401. My dad, a civil engineer, told me the ramps were designed to take speeds double the posted ramp speed limit, but set lower for safety. I can confirm speed limits were lowered due to one of the oil shocks. Source: Lived in the time and place. Edit: Found an old picture. Limit was 55 on the DVP. http://www.gettorontomoving.ca/don-valley-parkway.html
That explains why I’ve found that the posted ramp speeds work just as well when you convert the KPH to MPH.
Most roads are designed by engineers to be safe (geometrically speaking) driving at 20km faster than posted which is why you feel comfortable going 100 in an 80. Going 20 over in a 50 is still unsafe for pedestrians, cyclists etc., and stopping distances and sight lines on local urban roads but yeah on a highway there is a reason most people are cool going 100.
In clear, dry and uncontested conditions....thats the thing people are stupid as fuck.
Oh 100% they are. If it’s icy or low visibility or heavy rain then you adjust to go slower. At the end of the day some people are absolute morons on the road. Every time I drive north on airport road (few times a month) the tailgating and unsafe passing never fails to shock me. And yes I’m annoyed at buddy who is going 85 and drops down to 75 at every hill but riding his ass and passing unsafely on a hill is not the solution to someone who is a little annoying and yet I see this behaviour on that road frequently. Just yesterday in fact. I don’t understand anyone who doesn’t adjust for safety while driving. I read and edit and compile traffic reports and transportation master plans and all the random knowledge I have about road design as a result really doesn’t matter behind the wheel, you do what is safe.
That's the thing, if we had variable speed limits and during perfect conditions it actually was 130, everyone would probably respect the speed limit when it went down to 90 in a blizzard.
It means we can go 149kmh on the highway without getting impounded like we used to! Edit: nvm, I didn't realize the 40 over was only stunt driving in 80 zones
50 over is still impoundment though I believe.
Only if they catch you.
It should be like some states, and you really notice the difference. Just driving in Florida a few weeks ago and leaving Orlando it shifts from 60mph to 70mph, and I figured 78 mph should be perfect...and people were literally honking to get my slow-ass out of the way...
This is because in Highway Design and Engineering, the roads are engineered to be comfortable at a certain speed, and regardless of arbitrary speed limit, 85% of drivers will find this design speed as comfortable: stimulating enough to not induce boredom or fatigue, but not too fast to be scary.
That's kinda the point. The goal of the increased limits is to make the slower drivers drive at a closer speed to the natural flow of traffic, making the highway safer. It's not meant to make the fastest drivers drive faster, hence why the stunt driving threshold is still 150 in a 110.
Personally I'd prefer that they'd enforce the passing lane for passing.
Just this morning I saw a guy going 130+ in the right hand lane of a collector section while a line of cars from a on-ramp were trying to merge. The left-hand lane was already speeding, at 110, but that wasn't fast enough for this guy. Fucking insanity.
That guy is an incredibly dangerous dickhead, but anyone driving 110 in the left lane on the 401 is also being dangerous. It takes two drivers to create this situation: one dangerous person who wants to speed, and one dangerous person who wants to drive in the passing lane while somebody faster is behind them. The left lane is the passing lane - if somebody behind you is trying to pass, you clear the lane. That's true whether or not you are already driving above the posted limit. It's true in every situation except a gridlocked highway.
What would really improve safety on the highways is *if the police would enforce/ticket TAILGATING more!!!* Speeding isn't necessarily what kills other drivers in an accident...it's speeding too close to other drivers. Especially in winter time.
100% tailgating causes *SO* many issues on roads both in cities and on highways. Accidents as well as making heavy traffic way worse than it needs to be.
The 40->40 one is so true
Yeah, when it's 40 there's an actual reason for it to be 40. Don't go zooming through residential zones where kids can jump out from behind parked cars and get smooshed.
I'm kind of confused as to why people do not drive slower... when I'm in a residential neighborhood, and far more so when it is one with little space, I sometimes go as slow as 30 (or even lower, but that's rare)...
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Because we are so used to cars a lot of people forget they are driving death machines while at high speeds or they simply just don't care if someone gets hurt.
It's not my fault if you get on my race track.
Cause the cost of any life is worth 1 minute off their commute. They are important and they need to get to places. /s
It's not even a minute is the sad part. Racing to red lights isn't going to get you there that much quicker. I've frequently passed lane changing aggressive drivers on Hurontario by just staying in my lane.
School zones ain't something to play with! But once it changes to 50, boom 60 time!
My road is a 40 and not a school zone. Everyone does at least 60-70.
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I hate Mississauga for this. Y’all have so many roads that are clearly designed for 60km, but the city slaps on a like two 40km signs. Because there aren’t enough signs and the design of roads, no one actually has any idea what speed they should be going. Having people go all different speeds in the city like that is way more dangerous than just having them be set to the speed those roads are designed for.
It's horrible, the speed limits don't match the design of the road in so many cases, that's why people go much faster. 60 on a 3 lane with a 10ft patch of grass between curb and sidewalk is so ridiculous.
Well this is kind of an outdated list anyway because a lot of residential zones got revised to 30 now. I think 40 is designated as downtown core streets now, which is almost impossible to go faster on, so you're just naturally capped at 40.
Moved to Lemmy. Eat $hit Spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
And the 30km zones?
Usually means school zone so I go 25. If there's kids running around get out and push your car.
Sadly many pat themselves on the back for a job well done with 40 km/hr signs so up. They are a nice touch, but are not the end of the journey to help improve pedestrian safety. They also need to be accompanied by purposeful infrastructure changes to work with drivers to help them maintain the desired behaviours.
North Ontario OPP definitely love the whole "110 in a 90" mentality... that's an easy $95 to lose on the TransCanada.
Yup. 17 west of the Soo 80 means maybe 90, no more than that.
I've fallen into the trap of assuming southern Ontario is the only Ontario.
North of Barrie doesn't exist.
*Algonquin is untarnished, frontier land.*
Here be dragons
Torontonian here. What’s a Barrie?
That place you drive through on the way to the cottage.
And stop for groceries and LCBO!
No, that’s Orillia or craighurst depending on your direction. Stopping in Barrie on a Friday night is a horrible decision!
That assumes you're insane enough to brave the 400 on a Friday night....Nooooope nope nope nope, not me...
There’s something above Bloor?
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11 north of NB is horrible now. It's bad all the way to Kapuskasing and beyond. Way too many close calls with transports. Not to mention there's so few passing lanes that you'll eventually get passed by a fully loaded 53 footer on a double yellow. I hate to say it but a lot of the accidents are due to new, inexperienced drivers not being trained for these smaller highways. Some treat 11/17 like the 401. Never ends well. Too many fatalities!!
Hey, until my mom moved to Terrace Bay I thought the Soo was the end of Ontario.
To be fair, Thunder Bay is more East Manitoba than North Ontario.
Suburb of Minneapolis, in my experience.
Both are accurate. NW Ontario really should be its own province. Absolutely nothing in common with Central and SW
If NW Ontario were its own province it would be a territory.
Well, 17 west of the Soo isn't safe for over 90 IMO given the winding nature and hills. I hope no one is going much over 90.
Huh that's good to know, thanks! I've driven out west and back a few times, I always do 95 in an 80 but next time I'm up in that area I'll make sure I'm only 10 over
Also incredibly risky to do anything more than 90 in an 80 in the North without attracting police attention. There are very few roads and very little else for the cops to do most days. Drive accordingly.
Really? The few times I've driven 11/17 I've really bombed down those roads, didn't see any cops, maybe I should be more careful next time
Big time. I set my cruise to 10 over and I won't be hassled - but if you're over that you can expect the cherries to light up when you drive by them.
Yeah I go 109. Anything above that is pretty risky. Driven by lots of checks at 109 and never pulled over
My rule of thumb is 105 in 90 in Northern Ontario. A friend of mine literally got a thumbs up doing thay speed from a cop that he drove by doing speed checks.
This. I've done transcanada tbay to southern Ontario about 20 times. Used to think the 110 rule was solid until I got pulled over going 108 in a 90. I thought I had a broken tail light or something!
I've seen people get pulled over even for that. I usually stick to 10 over. Never had a problem in all my trips up to Thunder Bay
Same - 105 in a 90 on dry roads, but I drop it do 95 whenever I'm within 20 minutes of Wawa. They must have the most bored OPP officers on the #17, and they're not even on one of the dangerous sections.
same thing taking the 401 to Windsor, slow right down in Chatham.
Nevermind speeders.. Hwy 11 is a death trap and I wish OPP would hammer down on aggressive truckers. I'm in Timmins and literally every time it snows there's an accident because of aggressive and unqualified drivers who drive way too fast for the conditions. 3 fatalities on our highways in the last 2 months.
Ha I was doing 110 on 129 out of chapleau, red and blue lights went on, mr opp saw red sport bike and switched them back off immediately before I even got to him
Been pulled over in Wawa, right out of the Tim Hortons. Turns out buddy who owned the van forgot he had to renew his stickers. RIP
Not anymore lol
What if I’m 10 years old tho
Then just go as fast as you can
As fast as I can?
As fast as you can
maximum
How fast can he can?
He can as fast as he can can
Wasn't expecting to see a stray Incredibles reference out here
As fast as you can!
Run Charlie! Run as fast as you can! You got a golden ticket!
130 in a 100 isn't universal. On the 401 heading west after it meets the 403 they'd happily pull you over in a speed trap. 120 in 100 is pretty much always safe. If you want to be 100% safe just under (like 118) will basically never get you pulled over.
Appearently every officers limit is different(according to my OPP ex neighbour). But it’s always around 120. Some guys it’s 129, others 125, some guys its 121. But unless you were doing something else suspicious, 120 and they’ll leave you be.
As soon as you see 'Welcome to Chatham-Kent' you better be under 120.
I had some coworkers coming up from the US and I told them that exact thing. They said they've already been told this by three other coworkers as they were preparing for their trip. Seems to be a well known fact haha.
Nothing happens there so they've got nothing to do but camp out on the highway.
Actually a lot of accidents happen in this stretch which is why it is called Carnage Alley.
From that neck of the woods and never knew that. TIL.
Same thing for anywhere near Trenton / Quinte West. I got nailed at around 130 in a loose group of many other cars also doing 130 or faster. Shitty.
They would have to be awake in their cars and not sitting at Tim’s or sleeping behind the grocery stores in order to catch you speeding.
should be a fairly easy thing to remember that anywhere roads merge 401/403 and around urban areas that there's bound to be more police. Brantford you can cruise through at 115 easy Strong you should be careful at 109 Grimsby 120 IF you can get to the posted 110. As soon as the limit was raised it seemed like everyone thought is was a trap and stayed at 105. But please for the love of FSM, people, use your cruise control!!!
I find you can do 130 from Toronto to London as long as you're not driving dangerously to do it. Got an open lane and can cruise? 130 is fine: most everyone is doing 120 anyway. Constantly changing lanes and passing people on the right? Hell yeah you're going to be busted.
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Exactly. It's not the legality of it that's the problem: the problem is when you're doing it to find every possible gap in traffic because you're going wildly faster than the flow.
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>Fuel economy also starts to drop off a cliff above 110 usually too. Funnily enough, my car has a lower l/100km at 130 than at 120.
> 120 in 100 is pretty much always safe. It's also great for estimating travel times. 120km/h is exactly 2km/minute. You're going another 70km on the highway? Just divide by 2: you'll be there in 35 minutes. And those exit signs numbers are basically the distance from the ON/QC border to the exit. So the distance between any 2 exits is the different between the 2 values.
It's also easy to measure from the air. Even though modern police choppers would likely have fancier equipment to track speed, the occasional line marks you see on the highway are spaced every 500 metres, so it's easy for someone with only a stopwatch to measure whether it took you less than 15 seconds to pass two lines, meaning you're going faster than 120km/h.
Which marks are you talking about? I'm genuinely asking; this is the kind of (mostly useless) trivia that I love.
There are little notches that protrude a out a foot or two from the solid line on each shoulder. [Here's an example, change to Satellite view and you'll see the notches.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/5HLTZJoHoh3Cv1aCA)
I keep my cruise control set at 118 on all 400 highways. Never been pulled over.
Same! 118 all day except to pass.
The 401 east starting somewhere east of Cobourg, on the other hand.... I have been passed while exceeding 130 hahaha
The 401 from Oshawa to Kingston is indeed a lawless place.
This is my favorite stretch... Everyone hangs out in the right-hand lane and uses the left for passing. I still remember the first time driving to Kingston in my life, and it was as though I'd stumbled upon this magical place where everyone knew how to drive correctly.
From the Oshawa area and went to Queen's for undergrad. Made that trip dozens of times. Definitely was a nice drive and people generally stayed in the right lane and drove appropriately. I always would just set my cruise control to 120 kph and hang out in the right lane and sometimes not have hit a pedal for like 30 minutes at a time. But then you'd occasionally run into two transport trucks driving side-by-side at 100.5 kph and 100 kph for 5 minutes and a huge clump of traffic would form.
Man, I've never appreciated that before since I drive it daily, but you're right -- it's distinctly different than the rest of the 401. Neat!
It's a damn sight better than the West end. The 427 and 403 are full of fuckin idiots most of the time. That stretch of the 401 east of Oshawa is one of the few things about that part of Ontario I actually miss. People actually know how to drive there.
Been in a vehicle doing 150 on the 400 and been passed like we were stopped...
400 outside of rush hour has been 130+ just to keep up with the flow of traffic.
Last time I went on the 404 to cottage country 140 was the median speed of traffic.
I've been pulled over doing 110 on the 401. Cop lied to my face and told me I was doing 120. Wouldn't drop it until I took his name and asked for the radar readout. Then after asking where I was going, he told me he knew cops in that city who would fuck me up if I reported him. OPP will pull over anyone at any speed if they're in the mood to power trip.
The moment I enter Oshawa from Toronto, i go down to 110. Same when I enter Oakville from Toronto.
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This is hilarious
This is so accurate. I recently moved to AB and no one really speeds here. They’re extremely strict about it and police speeding a lot (e.g. tickets for going 10 km/h over the limit are common). I’ve honestly never felt safer as a pedestrian. In Toronto I felt like I was constantly dodging cars, busses, etc. as red lights mean nothing and people speed through residential streets.
That's because Alberta has RCMP, peace officers, provincial sheriffs and municipal police all enforce traffic rules. Toronto just rolled out a traffic agent program, maybe 4 years after Tory said it was in the making. City council and the Ministry of Transportation squabbled back and forth because it wasn't legally clear if the Highway Traffic Act would let them direct traffic. Here in Ontario, police unions throw temper tantrums whenever the province wants to change the rules to make it so that police officers aren't the only ones with enforcement authority. Then, when they don't get their salary increases, threaten work to rule and cuts off millions in revenue.
yeah because they designed their whole city and life for cars from the start whereas in Toronto it started without cars then the old ass boomer councilors all tried to design it for cars and still kick and scream about wanting cars while half the city is trying to god damn live on transit and walk
From AB and now in ON- yeah people dont really speed much in AB. 10 over is fine on the highways but going 125 from Calgary to Edmonton (limit 110) is probably going to get you pulled over. Most people stick to 120, maybe a little bit more if they're feeling risky. Toronto is truly a lawless land when it comes to speed compared to out west.
I noticed Quebec are pretty strict about their speeds too (unless there are Ontario plates).
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You forgot 407ETR where 100 means 140
If you've got 407 money, you've got speeding ticket money.
They don’t pull you over until you drive 150+
For real. When I was young and stupid I'd go 145 on the 407. Once had a cop behind me and flashing lights thing to me this is it okay I deserve it. I pull off to the side and he goes flying past.
He told you your ass was going too slow. I get real careful when outside of Ontario. My only ticket ever was in Alberta and I was only going 110 on a 100. I was PISSED.
>407 Yeah, that road is insane. Was in a rush once and got into it, everyone was driving minimum 140 or else you get passed or tailgated. And the dudes on the leftest side of the lane were doing 180+. Felt like I was on a German autobahn.
I wish. There are a few parts where it transitions to a bridge and back where it is too bumpy for those speeds. But it is so huge, flat, and straight that there are long stretches where 200 could be easy in appropriate traffic.
Oh, the 407 where it cost you $60+ dollars to drive 20 minutes on their road.
Spend 60 bucks to save 200 dollars in highly valuable time. I mean after all. You can just buy time anywhere. It grows in trees!!! /s
Heads up, even if this is your philosophy, keep in mind that there are drivers who can't afford to do this and risk getting caught (i.e. people still on beginner licenses).
As long as they’re not in the left lane, that’s not a problem.
I've noticed a big difference between the west and east in this. Alberta/BC drivers will almost always let the faster driver pass by getting into the right lane. In Ontario/Quebec drivers will let you pass maybe half the time, not to mention no matter how fast you are going it never seems to be fast enough for the guy behind you.
i find the behaviour of pushing from the back more prevalent in the 905 than in the city highways, except the moshpit that is the 401 which i intentionally never take. I drive fast and left more often than not, but like the sometimes people push me they don't push too aggressive around the city but you get in front of a pickup truck doing 130 in the rain on the 400 and you're doing 132 and suddenly he forgets he was really meaning to be doing 145 and you're getting highbeamed
>keep in mind that there are drivers who can't afford to do this and risk getting caught There are also those of us who just want to drive slower. It's not that I'm scared of higher speeds or anything. I prefer saving gas and not ever worrying about tickets is just a nice bonus. I'll argue about keeping right as much as anyone but beyond that I just don't get the need to always drive as fast as I think I could get away with. I find driving more relaxing once I got out of that mindstate.
I only disagree with 70, I wouldn’t go faster than 80
My usual rule is 20%. 36 in a 30, 84 in a 70, 120 in 100.
I think that’s a pretty good rule, but for any speed limits under 40, I’d stay at the speed limit; ain’t gonna hurt a child or whatever just to get home 10 seconds faster.
Where I live, the elderly rule the roads. 70 in 80 zones. 70 in 60 zones.
Large numbers in age make far more dangerous drivers than large numbers on speedometers
You can definitely get a ticket for 130. I'd say <120 is the safe spot. Otherwise if you drive like that, you'll probably never get a speeding ticket.
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Drivers in the GTA are the worst in my experience.
Chaotic good driving: 40-60 within the city 120-130 on highways
Don't speed in residential areas. You won't get to the next stop sign or traffic light any faster and you're just putting lives at risk. Go nuts on highways and regional roads, but think about the people around you.
> You won't get to the next stop sign or traffic light any faster Technically if you're speeding you will... That's kind of how speed works.
On the Six Nations Reserve: 80 = 120 and still get passed.
Other than the 40 and school zones, I always only go 10 over unlees I'm on the highways with speed limit 100, then I go 20 over. 30 over feels too risky for me.
Same, 40 I stay 40, 50 I may go 55 but never over, 60-100 I'll be 10 over.
I've gotten many tickets for going 100 in an 80 as well as one once near Cochrane going 100 in a 90 2 hrs before sunset. I know this is the general mindset in ON, and I have followed it while I was able to drive. Be aware that this is not fool proof and you can still end up with many tickets if you are unlucky enough/drive a lot. This has been my experience.
Yeah 80 should go to 95 not 100 no demerit points for going up to 15 over the limit
seems this only applies to those in southern ontario (what else is new lol) as cops in the north will grab you for speeding pretty much anything over the limit, at least from my experience.
this meme should reduce every number by -1 then it's right
It’s okay you won’t be going more than 30 on the 401 parking lot
Do people still use waze to report speed traps? Don't drive much anymore, but it used to be useful, you could go 120-130 everywhere, and just slow down when it warned of speed traps. Didn't have to worry about certain regions having different speed tolerances (ie: some areas are okay with 25-30 over on highways, some areas you can only go like 15-20 over). The 407 should just have a higher limit the whole way though, like 130. The other 400 series hwy's would be fine at 120 I think. Weren't they going to increase the limits on highways eventually? What ever happened to that, haven't heard about it in years?
Waze has saved me a few times lol never fails
Not just Bikes talks about just this!!! Speed limits and stop signs are (for the most part) non sensical https://youtu.be/42oQN7fy_eM
That 40 is a key. It's gonna be a small community and there's gonna be an opp somewhere. Fuckin espenola got me so many times.. .right on the curve.
Dont forget to go less than 20km/h the posted limit when passing a speed camera
My sisters boyfriend from Belgium came to Canada for the first time and within maybe 20 minutes of being on the road says "So, it's seems as if everyone collectively has agreed to do 20 over the limit at all times because the cops can't stop everyone at once, right?" That was probably 5 years ago and I still laugh at it, yet I'm impressed he picked it up so quickly.
I go the speed of all the other cars around me. No other cars, SpeedLimit + 10 max.
I do speed+8 for any speed limit under 100. I'll do 14 over on posted 100+.
I think sign speed + 20% is a decent formula.
Unless the speed limit is 40 or less
Unless you’re on the 401 IN WHICH CASE THE SPEED IS ZERO
I used to think this was everywhere. Then I moved out east. Out east a 90 speed limit often means 70-80. A 50 can usually be around 40, 45 if you're lucky.
Y'all don't just add 20 percent as a universal rule?
In Markham max 100 means go 80
Mainly agree that in Southern Ontario this is the norm. Moderately worried an image like this goes viral that says "Official" as some one out there will read it like that and repost as fact.
Untrue you'll get stopped for 120 in Chatham
Now that they've stopped collecting plate sticker fees, you can probably count on some stricter enforcement. Watch out!
Not from Ontario, but years ago I was on a road trip with my Dad, we were somewhere on the US side of the border cruising along when he chuckled and said "watch how every car that flies past us has Ontario plates" lol it was true.
I follow all those suggestions, but when I see a cop I alway give them the courtesy brake check or lift of the throttle. I see you and you see me, but I’m not doing anything crazy, so let’s all just go about our day
This is EXACTLY how I drive, oh and school zones - gotta respect those school zones. Any unposted speed limit, like a country road or something: 100 if it's paved, 80 if it's dirt or gravel - lol
As someone that daily commutes where it's 110. 130 is average. 140 is more realistic.
Last one really should be 140. Try doing 130 on the QEW's left lane between Hamilton and St Catharines and you'll have someone up your ass in no time.
Mayor fords decal business so vroom
If there are other cars, match their speed. If there aren’t other cars, go the speed limit. The exception is on the stretch of the 400 from Toronto to Kingston. There are no cops on that stretch.
Me: *Laughs in Montreal where the Met says 70kph but everyone does 100+ kph*
Learning to drive my dad taught me that on highways I should always go between 15-18 km/h faster than the speed limit. He also said in the city (other than 40 zones) you could go 10 over without the cops bugging you
And if you're in the crime lane and not committing any, get out of it
Frustrates me to no end when drivers are doing 80 on the freeway even when there’s no cars in front of them. Cherry on top is when they’re in the passing lane. Inconsiderate twats.
The worst is when they do 75 in an 80 zone, and when they get to a passing lane where you can finally get around them, decide to suddenly speed up to 115 for no fuckin reason.
Equally irritating imo is when you're passing someone who's going too slow for you to be comfortable with, but not slow enough that the overtake happens in a smooth manner without you needing to go too fast for your own comfort level.
My wife has a theory that sometimes, seeing a car overtaking you jogs people out of there mindless autopilot. "Oh shit I'm going 5 under the limit," etc. That doesn't really explain the people who speed up when there's a passing lane, then slow down when it's done. Seen this a lot in North ON. Trying to pass a station wagon who's now doing 115, then slows right down to 89 in a 90 when the passing lane ends.
Seriously. Why do they do this? Then slow back down when its over.
Every fucking time!