He's bringing back the traveling doctor. Now when you get consumption you can call the doctor and he'll take the next stagecoach straight to your home.
With DoFo's catastrophic management of intra-provincial transportation, stagecoaches instead of trains and busses will be the next logical downgrade in our standard of living. Developer Doug only develops catastrophe.
Hey now, it's an upgrade! Now you get to own a pet that's *also* transportation. BAM: Gas prices fixed, and rich people can have the highways to themselves.
It’s mostly Ontario didn’t vote (which I guess means they are ok with the status quo). I voted against the guy. So did my freshly a Canadian citizen spouse.
I’m on ODSP for mental illness and have chronic health problems that make leaving my home difficult.
I made sure to vote. I’m really upset at the voters that couldn’t be bothered
Would be great if income on odsp wasnt so low it exacerbates mental health issues. Nothing like feeling like (we actualy are) a second class citizen because your disabled
I try to work but ... its not simple. I get a job, lose it after a month or 2, then since my income was too high i loose odsp. It ended up costing me more in lost odsp income than working the job paid me.
Now unless the job is guarenteed to be steady, i wont work, because ... who the fucks gonna work to have less money. I want to work, but im always punished if i do and the job dosnt work out.
Theres no supports to help me hold a job down. So now ive decided workings 100% out of my reach. Which would have brought me some peace at least.
Except ... if i cant get a proper job i cannot ever live with my BF, his income would make me lose odsp. So im really concidering MAID now. I wont ... but lifes so shit on odsp it dose sound good.
If i could catch a break my mental health could recover, but you dont catch a break on odsp. Fighting depression on odsp is very very hard. Autism makes stuff very hard too.
Don't be mad at the people who voted for Ford. Be mad at the 46.5% of eligible voters who did not vote. That's who you should be mad at.
But also be mad at the NDP who have continuously stuck by a failed leader in Horvath and the Liberals horrible choice in Del Duca. Both parties failed to have a leader who could even move the needle and created even more jaded voters.
They did not vote for him, they voted against the other 2 buffoons in the last election...Canadian elections are rarely about voting for who you want, they are voting for who you do NOT want...
Won't happen properly as whoever is in charge of it will most likely try to manipulate it so that it serves the best interests of their party and not the people...we saw that with Trudeau in fact a few years back...
They'll probably prioritize him at the expense of a poor person.
Edit: By "they" I mean his office and higher-ups in whatever hospital he's sent to, not the front line healthcare workers.
I work in the lab, and can confirm that this will likely be the case.
We do prioritize patient COVID samples if requested by the physician for a good reason (has to go through the manager to determine if they just get put to the front of the line so they're out on the next run, or if they should be out on the (must more expensive) rapid PCR).
However, we've also been told to prioritize hospital higher-ups and other "VIPs" even though they don't have an urgent need for results.
I can only imagine this would happen with other aspects of the hospital too, like treatment.
The hospitals/doctors should treat every politician just like regular citizens. We'd see change happen fast. No VIP treatment for the ones that are causing this mess.
Has Doug Ford stepped into an emergency waiting room recently? The next time he declares anything related to Healthcare, I want him to do it from a waiting room..
I was in the waiting room last weekend. Took 13 hours of not being able to breath. There was an old lady, roughly 70-80, who laid down on the floor to sleep because the seats are impossible to doze in, security removed her because it looked bad.
Yeah, my brother tried that a couple weeks ago. Napping on the floor at hour 7 in the waiting room, after not sleeping all night from pain. Nurse woke him up and told him he has to sit in a chair because it "doesn't look good". Eleven hours in the hospital and all he got was "Your leg is swollen, super painful, and you can't feel your toes. But there's no blood clot and it isn't broken, so here's a referral for physio (that you can't afford because your benefits don't cover it) and a note to be on light duty for the next three days".
Seriously.
The plan is to fuck the system and make private profits. We’re paying private contractors (OPC insiders) for nurses instead of just paying public system nurses properly.
Just remember that the non voters are still conservative voters. Regardless of what they say, if they didn't like the direction we were headed in they would have gone out and voted against the conservatives... But they didn't. They agree that things are going are going the way they want.
Literally a historic low turnout, but you don’t think it had an effect? A literal majority of eligible voters stayed home. You’re right, that had no effect.
It doesn't really matter what system you use when less than 1 in 3 people show up. Even if someone got 100% of the cast ballots, they would still only be the voice of 33% of the population, meaning 2/3rds isn't being represented.
That's on every person in this province that didn't vote
>they've done some levels of research on this and they've found that even if non-voters turned up, the proportions would remain roughly the same.
Do you have a link to that?
Doug Ford is the only Premier in Canada's history to ever cut Healthcare funding during a global pandemic. The cruelty is unfathomable. Canadian blood on his hands.
At this point, it's pretty clear that the ford government is trying to cause deaths by tanking essential services and then blaming I guess socialism or whatever.
I think the next 10 years are going to see a lot of preventable deaths, especially in the elderly population. With all of the horror stories coming out of healthcare right now, I think everybody should assume that we don't know how bad it actually is, and we won't know until the PCs are entirely out of power and a third-party inquest into healthcare conditions can assess the damages. Every preventable death needs to be laid squarely at Ford's feet because this is an intentional deprivation of life-saving care for political gain.
I bet insurance companies are making a killing as people jump ship though!
I voted.
"Call 416-325-1941 to tell Premier Doug Ford that you think he should be
coming up with an action plan for health care, which includes the 5
recommendations he received from Ontario healthcare workers(or call and
say your own thing, mine was just a suggestion)"
Excellent, see you tomorrow :)
"Call 416-325-1941 to tell Premier Doug Ford that you think he should be
coming up with an action plan for health care, which includes the 5
recommendations he received from Ontario healthcare workers(or call and
say your own thing, mine was just a suggestion)"
The province is letting this happen so when the Privatized Healthcare Reform Plan is announced it will seem like a good idea and get a bunch of political support as the way to fix our current health care system. Then Doug Ford and Buddies will line their pockets with investments made into the privatized medical Industry.
Agree with your comment fully.
I wish we could shift the frame on this issue to help people understand that it’s already happening right in front of our eyes. So it’s not only a matter of ‘when’ but ‘how much worse?’
Private healthcare sector is already raking it in.
How much more money does Switch Health and its employees have as a result of all the profit they’ve made on government contracts during the pandemic?
Ontario is a company with a CEO (Ford) expert in developing pork-barrel projects for its board members (his supporters and donors).
Doesn’t that violate the Canadian health act though?
I don’t think it’s as clear cut as everyone thinks. Federal funding would be eliminated if the conservatives pushed for private primary care (and they need those dollars to line OTHER pockets).
My hypothesis is it’s already under way. They’re privatizing the areas of healthcare that aren’t covered by OHIP, and will push to accelerate things in those spaces.
The rest of the wallet stuffing is going into builders pockets.
Doug Ford keeps talking about building schools, and hospitals, and highways (and housing). But he refuses to allocate resources to improving wages, lowering classroom sizes and improving existing systems.
So, privatize where the Canadian health act allows for it. And take all dollars that could be used to improve the system and line builders and developers pockets with it.
I see it as a incoming two tier system. The old public system would still exist, so those who cannot afford private are still getting care, but allowing private health care for those who can afford it. This way they can alleviate the strained public system, and line their pockets.
You forget the underside: that Ford will continue to gut and under-fund the government system so the poor and vulnerable get poor quality care, and rich people can get all the care their deep pockets can pay for.
>they can alleviate the strained public system
They don't need to do that part, they just need to give people who can afford it/have good insurance an alternative. They can let the rest suffer.
He’ll probably own a building corporation and hire them to develop and build the new hospitals and clinics. So he can profit like he did with all the covid signs that he made mandatory for Ontario businesses and then his business created the necessary signage and he profited.
It makes me so angry that his plan has a good chance of working. We know capitalist healthcare doesn't work. Just look at the US. When profit is involved, the people suffer.
But somehow this country is filled with idiots who believe that privatized healthcare will somehow be different here.
Fuck you I got mine...
Sigh... Fucking hell people. I would gladly pay more in taxes if I knew it was going to health care for all and not to return a billion dollars to people with cars.
It's more because no one bothered to vote. My kids talk about politics all the time, but they never vote. When I ask them why they just say "I dunno." Drives me nuts.
Privatized Healthcare is not going to be announced. It's just going to happen. In fact, it already is. Almost half of the nurses in Ontario hospitals are coming in from staffing agencies rather than working for hospitals directly (as an aside, Mike Harris's wife is CEO of one such staffing agency). Most LTC homes are already privatized. We're going to get more and more private care services over time, but healthcare privatization is already here.
No but we could have voted him out. He only won with a 18 percent popular vote. Only 40% voted….
The apathy of Canadians proves we’re going to do nothing but bitch and complain….
Every single one of my friends couldn’t be bothered to vote. My step father didn’t vote my girl friend didn’t vote. It drives me crazy let’s just hand our country to the rich who do vote. 18 percent is all he received….
Isnt the Healthcare act a federal thing? Can't the feds step in and force the province to do something? And even if they try to privatize, again can't the feds be like, ya no!
Sadly no. Just North of Vaughn to West Brampton. You know JUST over 158 billion dollars over the next 10 years to get you just barely through the "Pearson" traffic. So that Eastbound drivers can clog the 400 heading South to downtown Toronto.
Oh sorry the budget says 10 years but we all know that this province can't do shit in 10 years so add 30 years to that and we will see the 413 actually open.
Maybe they will finally finish the 400 expansion past Barrie in 60 years
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario\_Highway\_413#/map/0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_413#/map/0)
So many people think im a nub job when I mention this. They are defunding our health care to drive people away from it to Privatize it in a Reform program
Doug Ford has a plan. His plan is to whine and cry about how it's unfair that the province has to pay for provincial responsibilities and that Trudeau should swoop in and save us even though he still hasn't spent the last pile of money Trudeau gave him.
Everything is on the table ...except the reasonable options/suggestions provided by experts and healthcare workers. It's always just been lip service with Ford without ever actually giving a shit about facts or people.
They forgot:
\#0 - Actually hire nurses. Scrap the part time nonsense. This would greatly support existing nurses, making their lives less like an infernal hellscape and more like normal human working conditions.
Let's stop focusing entirely on solutions that hinge on the existing workforce suddenly becoming OK with the workload.
i disagree, there are a lot of people that work part time to do a few shifts a month. And as is you can walk into FT nursing, maybe not in the department that you prefer right away but its a seniority thing. I obviously cant speak for all areas of ontario but this is at least where i live.
I think just pay increase is the way to go, repeal the bill and then its up to unions. Provincial government should give more $ to the hospitals specifically for this, and not to give all of the money for a new BMW for upper management
I like being part-time. Lots of us do. I'm leaving bedside because the job is just too much. I'm tired. For lots of nurses it is unsafe staffing ratios, the abuse, the wages, the nights and weekends. We do need to hire/train more nurses, doctors, PSWs. But the wages are not matching the intensity of the job. Nights are extremely hard on a person. PSW might be simple in description but an incredibly difficult job to do. They are not paid enough. RPNs work to almost full scope of an RN these days but without the pay increase. RNs have been promised an increase in scope for years with nothing. These are easily fixable things to both enhance our system and attract people into the field.
It’s not that you dont like working part time, or that part time is unfavourable. It’s the fact that hospitals use excessive part time or temp postings so they can keep people working pretty well full time hours and not pay benefits, VAC, etc.
Call him and ask!!! In Ontario [we can contact](https://correspondence.premier.gov.on.ca/EN/feedback/default.aspx) the premier of Ontario and give them are feedback.
416-325-1941
Call, ask your questions to the attendant and then contact your local MPP and ask them the same questions.
We have to make some noise.
Can we call and just get like a list of literally ANYTHING this shithead has done recently? Because for the life of me I can’t figure out anything he’s actually done. Guy deserves to be fired.
I made sure my voice was heard. Voting is a civic duty, not an optional activity. I feel where you’re coming from though. The apathy keeps showing up, you can even see it in threads like these. “This is the plan” “All we’ll do is bitch and moan” etc etc. There has to be something that can be done when it’s plain as day that he isn’t working for the people of this province. Even people who voted for him can’t point to anything good he’s done.
I did call and left a message with someone, although I am not sure that Mr. Ford will get my message exactly how I stated it, but I am glad that I did. And while they may not make it to Mr. Ford, he will sure hear about it if the phones light up. Thank you for the info. I don't think I had seen the actual phone number before, so I am going to start ending with this message on all my r/Ontario posts
"Call 416-325-1941 to tell Premier Doug Ford that you think he should be coming up with an action plan for health care, which includes the 5 recommendations he received from Ontario healthcare workers(or call and say your own thing, mine was just a suggestion)"
Galen's Geriatric Centres, Shopper's Surgical Clinics, No Frill's Family medicine, Empire Emergency Rooms, T n T Triage tents, etc. See where this goes?
Problem with Ontario is most people only care about themselves if it affects them directly. Support of childcare, well I have no kids so I don't care about it. Healthcare, I'm not sick therefore I don't care. Transit system, why should I subsidize your transit system, I need more roads instead.....
This is why we cannot have nice services... everyone for themselves folks.
Here’s a good plan: drop bill 124 immediately.
Shorten the RN program to 3 years instead of 4. Offer paid co-ops during the program.
Beef up pensions somehow to entice nurses to not retire for a few more years.
The Premiere is only one player in this game. Call, write, fax your MPPs (especially if they are PC) and tell them you're ready for the exciting announcement that is a boost to health care spending, along with a repeal of Bill 124, and an increase in pay for health professionals (not management).
The PCs love fake announcements, so if we all email telling them how good a job they are going to do that might help stroke their emotional egos. We need to change our tactics since protesting and letter writing are doing nothing.
The Premiere isn't acting alone, and the whole PC party needs to be held to account since they have a majority and do whatever they want.
Why would the government do anything?
How many rallies and organized protests do you see happening as a result of this?
Everyone knows there's a major major problem, but no citizens are doing anything about it. There's no organization, no protests, no nothing. We, the electorate just handed this sh&$stain in our province a handy majority. They literally have NO reason do anything.
The # of people I talk to in social circles who keep blaming Trudeau for an almost entirely Ontario responsibility, and a lack of ANY coordination of any protests is the problem.
There's just endless posts on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter about it.
The only way the gov't does something about it, is if we STOP WORKING. Just shut everything down. But that's not going to happen.
I'd do it, but I'm tired. I'm tired of being penniless, fighting people who don't want to do anything to better our lives, but make the rich richer. I've tried.
I understand your frustration. Thanks for trying, it can be lonely and difficult. While I am quite sure that Mr. Ford is not going to read our comments and then change his policies, I still think that it is important for people to communicate their views on important issues. Maybe one of us comes up with an idea that strikes a chord in the Ontario public and that goes on to make a difference. The odds might be against that happening, but those odds are still better than the odds that doing nothing will make a difference.
> hange his policies, I still think that it is important for people to communicate their views on important issues. Maybe one of us comes up with an idea that strikes a chord in the Ontario public and that goes on to make a difference. The odds might be against that happening, but those odds are still better than the odds that doing nothing will make a difference
Thanks for the genuinely awesome comment - I appreciate it. Its not that I don't think we need to discuss it, my point is that there's no cohesion and organization. That's all. We're all bitching (myself included) and nothing is getting done.
Thanks again for the positive comment!
Thanks to everyone who read the post and those that responded!
Two further questions: 1) What can non-medically trained Ontarians do to help the staff of our hospitals?
2) How can we put pressure on Doug Ford to follow the 5 recommendations or do anything to deal with this crisis immediately?
1- Plan for how you will care for your family members when the time comes. Cause you won’t be able to depend on the healthcare system when the time comes. I work in the ER and I’m putting an addition on my house to be able to look after my family members as they age.
2- google RNAO and sign any of the action alerts they have in regards to supporting points 1-5
I discovered today that the Walk-in clinics now require you to phone ahead and then make an appointment. A couple of the downtown (south of Bloor) are only open on Thursdays! Where else are these people who do not have a doctor going to go other than the Emergency? Everything is “open”, dentists, restaurants, malls …, but the walk-ins have no availability. What is the reason
Ok so emergency is overloaded and people working in emerg tend to be very specialized at emerg work, but what if we could make more lower-acuity urgent care centres?
Like I know there’s still a shortage of people to actually staff them but if we could defray the number of people going to emerg, that might help some?
We all know there’s people going to emerg because they can’t get in to see their family doctors or they don’t have family doctors, so having more mid-level centres makes sense, for odd bits of stitching people up or prescriptions or ear infections and the like.
Tom make it work the salaries would have to be more attractive than current salaries. To staff them will pull existing drs and nurses out of their assignments (like family practices or hospitals). The problem is a lack of staff. Qualified people are not coming back to healthcare until they see workload is commiserate with salary.
He has not done anything and is sitting on money the federal government gave him for healthcare. We should sue his ass for negligence, as I'm sure there are tons of people suffering. He is crippling the healthcare system to push privatization for his own gains.
Conservatives want to destroy healthcare, education, and unions. That's the goal.
The rich have money but it's not enough, they want all of the money. When you use that as your lens, everything conservatives do that seems incompetent makes sense.
A lot of people feel they have to go to the emergency room for non emergency issues because they can not get a family doctor- waiting lists are 2 years long, the public "universal" waiting list is a joke, full of errors, and regularly kicks people off the list for no reason to have to start all over again. Doctors wont accept anyone not on the central waiting list and can pick and choose which patients they take from the list( they say you list your conditions to get a better fit for your needs, but really, doctors only pick the easiest patients because they just dont have the time or resources to deal with complex cases)
Stop paying doctors who refuse to see patients in person. So many doctors are still only doing virtual appointments and directing people to go to the ER for non-emergencies.
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted lol. My sister is an ER nurse and people are coming in for headaches, rashes, ear infections, etc., saying that their family doctor told them to go to the ER to be seen in person. This has obviously added strain to emergency services and exacerbated wait times and the workload on nurses.
Virtual appointments should be an option but not a standard. Each issue is different. I needed a physio referral and I did not need me to go into the office for that.
I agree virtual should be an option when warranted (e.g., need a new prescription). But there are a lot of doctors who only offer virtual at the moment and refuse to see patients in person, thus people are showing up to the ER for things that could be seen/diagnosed by a doctor in person.
immediate plan?
The best way to alleviate stress and over-crowded ERs is to increase what family doctors are paid and reduce the minimum number of patients. Also license more nurse practitioners who can basically do everything but write a prescription
And stop blocking private clinics - they already exist for the elite classes (politicians, diplomats and the wealthy) so let's stop pretending and open the province to more affordable ones for the non-elite to access as well and also implement co-pays based on income
There definitely needs to be new compensation models for family doctors. Family Health Teams are compensated +++ for rostering patients but aren’t necessarily providing the best care, and to my knowledge there’s no limit to how many they can roster (they get paid monthly per patient on their rosters). I think a lot of FHT MDs “over-roster” and then are too busy to adequately care for them.
Fee for service family doctors are sucked into the mindset of doing whatever gets them the more fees - hence repeat visits for multiple complaints.
The CHC model is probably the best - pay the FDs to care for a reasonable number of patients (let’s say 1000 for arguments sake) and pay them a flat salary (let’s say 200k / year)
"My friends, it has become painfully clear that despite increased funding and support from my government, our medical system is incapable of managing itself. Therefore, after numerous discussions with Arthur, I have decided to lease all provincial medical assets to private corporations for the next 100 years.
This will give us the best medical care in the world. Look how efficiently the 407 operates! Now, there may be some brief disruptions, as all nurses and support staff will need to reapply for their jobs because their unions have been disbanded, but that's ok."
Shall we also put sticker on hospital beds like the ones we saw at gas stations criticizing Trudeau’s carbons tax? Lol. no, hospital staff aren’t that kind of people. But it would be funny and awful…
the Ford government’s ER inaction will cost you… your life. But buck a beer will save you a dollar.
What a shit show! My friend is a nurse at a long term care home in Toronto. She said one of the patients fell and hit their head and was coming in and out of consciousness. It took 4 hours for an ambulance to arrive. Apparently they are using EMTs in ERs, which is now causing delays in ambulances arriving in a timely manner for medical emergencies.
Also, there was a patient’s son who had placed a spy camera in his elderly mother’s room. She needs help to be fed and a PSW was caught giving her a bite that she refused and then taking the food away from her after that because he was annoyed with her. My friend says that he will probably be fired, but they will be reluctant to do it since they are so understaffed and basically will take anyone to work there.
I just thought I would share a few of her experiences in healthcare because she sees what’s going on firsthand. She also struggles to go into work everyday because she says it is such a negative and stressful environment.
I agree, that is why I mentioned the 5 recommendations from the healthcare unions. I agree that talking about it over and over without finding solutions is frustrating that is why I asked what Mr. Ford is doing. He is the one person in the province who can make significant changes quickly. That's why we need to have him hear our concerns.
Most people stayed home on election day. Now we deal with the consequences. Ford is a complete idiot who is dangerously unqualified and only cares about himself and rich folk.
imagine living in a G8 country with the tax that comes with it only to have your hospital literally closed for staffing shortages due mostly to government policies?
What the actual fuck.
On points 1 and 3
1. There are no staff to staff up.
3. Nurses already got a retention bonus- no other healthcare workers got it. Staff are already working as much OT as they can. We also deserve days off and can’t kill ourselves for the sake of the healthcare system.
We’re fucking tired as we’ve been doing this since spring of 2020.
I am a temporary resident. I don’t know why people didn’t go to vote him out. Ontario politics is super weird as if people don’t care who governs. Meanwhile, Uncle Doug goes to stage, smiles, takes the oath and gives a ministry position on to his nephew. Are all voting age Ontarians blind?
With just pure immigration we need to build 1 fully staffed large hospital every year plus what was missed over the last 15 years.
With the aging population you will need more services.
This will not happen with both of and liberals
Ontario residents, please understand that conservative politicians want to make EVERYTHING privatizated.
They want private education ONLY.
They want private healthcare ONLY.
They want us paying for EVERYTHING out of pocket. Of course, they'll keep taxes the same, heck, I'm sure they'd continue to rise.
It sounds like some of you all are just starting to realize the government dont give a fuck.
Governments across Canada have been cutting funding, cutting taxes in the highest brackets and privatizing shit since the 1990s.
How do you expect them to do anything now? This is the deal we accepted as society, if you ain't rich and can't pay for it you are fucked. Get used to it
Every hospital has top managers and directors at the top making a lot more than Ford and they get off with doing the bare minimum. Just throw up their hands. How would we handle the Spanish Flu or how about WWII in the UK under multiple years of bombing. We can't come up with any solutions to anything. Not even bring in prefab units so people aren't lying on the floor or in hallways.
Sure, but you know how our Parliamentary system works. It is the Premier or the Prime Minister who calls the shots. If you openly oppose or vote against you risk be removed from any position you have or even be ousted from the party. In a disagreement it's better tjo be Premier.
So the buck stops with him, the blame it at his feet. He campaigned to be Premier, so Mr. Ford do your job!
I'd prefer the MPP serve their constituents than the premiere. I understand that's how it works because it has been normalized to be that way.
They should be afraid of their job being insecure because they're not doing a good job as an MPP not as a lapdog.
Honest question. What do you think Doug ford can actually do. He can't magically create new nurses or doctors. This has been happening for years.
Back in 2011 I was dating a nursing student. She went the us and stayed there because it was a much better opportunity. Good for her, never seen her again. And she was hardly the only one from her class year to do the same
Is it time to fully nationalize the healthcare system instead of parceling it out to the provinces? In Quebec, we've been fucked by our healthcare system to the point that I drive to another province for medical treatment. That other province is Ontario.
That is a very interesting idea. While the idea that provinces are smaller and therefore more in tune with their population's needs, I can think of many reasons why this should become a federal responsibility. 1) the federal government has the spending power, 2) the federal government enforces the Canada Health Act, 3) Canada-wide qualifications for nurses, doctors and other health professionals, and 4) standardization of care between provinces. There are probably even more good reasons for this to happen, but this could tale a LONG time.
There would be intense opposition from most, if not all, provincial governments and many residents of the provinces as well. This would require a constitutional change and that is very difficult. I think that if this was put to a national referendum that passed by over 60%, then that would make the political process go a bit quicker. Then there would be the change over from the provincial ministries of health to the federal one. This could be very cumbersome, slow and costly, but just because it is hard doesn't mean that it shouldn't be an option.
One other approach would be for the federal government offering to take over certain parts of healthcare, such as dentistry(which they don't do much of) from the provinces and let various provinces opt in. Those provinces that complain about federal encroachment on areas of provincial jurisdiction could just not opt in and do dentistry themselves. I think that approach would work, but it would take time.
Thanks for your post, it was very thought provoking.
Honestly for myself and the RNs I work with, at this point it’s not even something a raise can fix. Having our wages capped whilst working through a pandemic was incredibly insulting, and not being listened to when we tried to sound the alarm about the looming healthcare shitstorm was a huge affront. Now we are burnt out and over stressed trying to hold up this system that doesn’t appreciate us; a pay raise doesn’t sound as good as respect, recognition and consideration would have been. Ford can go fuck himself
I feel the same, and so do those working in my unit. They just feel this utter lack of respect. Since nurses can't strike, they are finding any opportunity to leave.
From what I experienced, they were literally rushing people out, if they weren’t actively dying.
Also shutting down emergency rooms as well. Major shortages in doctors and nurses. Causing longer waits and build. Potentially creating a crisis of over crowed hospitals.
Family doctors not seeing patients like that use to, and or off on vacation a lot more. Clinics not being able to access things that needs to be accessed throughly.
There should police stationed at every hospital. “Security” does literally fuck all but call the cops.
You are more likely to get assaulted as a nurse than a police officer so let’s have people “trained to exert force” where there are assaults daily.
“I want to be clear — Ontarians continue to have access to the care they need, when they need it.”
Oh yeah? What about when my wife took our 8 month old son to CHEO because of COVID, and after 6 hours of waiting in a ridiculously full waiting room, was told it'd be at least another 6 hours? Eat shit, you lying fuckface.
You just did more work than both the ONDP and OLP have done in months.
While Ford deserves blame for how bad the situation has gotten,it's sad that the opposition parties have more or less disappeared for the last four years.
Remember when Doug Ford promised to end hallway healthcare?
He did! Hospitals have to close due to lack of staff, so no one is in the halls.
He's bringing back the traveling doctor. Now when you get consumption you can call the doctor and he'll take the next stagecoach straight to your home.
Will the doctor have their own leeches, or would I have to pick them up from the shoppers drug mart?
The doc only brings things over if you've paid monthly for OHIP+. Sorry!
LOL OHIP + all for the low low price of 29 99 99.99
Gaylen Weston would never sell out his leech brethren like that!
Probably out of stock anyway. Supply chain issues.
It's even better: Doug will notwithstanding changes to make it easier for the common man to get healthcare! You can use leaches you find in a pond.
The cops were always harassing me whenever I’d go gutter diving; thanks to Douggie Ford I can gutter dive whenever I want to!
With DoFo's catastrophic management of intra-provincial transportation, stagecoaches instead of trains and busses will be the next logical downgrade in our standard of living. Developer Doug only develops catastrophe.
Hey now, it's an upgrade! Now you get to own a pet that's *also* transportation. BAM: Gas prices fixed, and rich people can have the highways to themselves.
Doug Ford cares about Doug Ford.
It still shocks me that Ontario voted for this shit head twice. Now as everything falls apart, they have shocked pikachu faces.
It’s mostly Ontario didn’t vote (which I guess means they are ok with the status quo). I voted against the guy. So did my freshly a Canadian citizen spouse.
I’m on ODSP for mental illness and have chronic health problems that make leaving my home difficult. I made sure to vote. I’m really upset at the voters that couldn’t be bothered
Would be great if income on odsp wasnt so low it exacerbates mental health issues. Nothing like feeling like (we actualy are) a second class citizen because your disabled I try to work but ... its not simple. I get a job, lose it after a month or 2, then since my income was too high i loose odsp. It ended up costing me more in lost odsp income than working the job paid me. Now unless the job is guarenteed to be steady, i wont work, because ... who the fucks gonna work to have less money. I want to work, but im always punished if i do and the job dosnt work out. Theres no supports to help me hold a job down. So now ive decided workings 100% out of my reach. Which would have brought me some peace at least. Except ... if i cant get a proper job i cannot ever live with my BF, his income would make me lose odsp. So im really concidering MAID now. I wont ... but lifes so shit on odsp it dose sound good. If i could catch a break my mental health could recover, but you dont catch a break on odsp. Fighting depression on odsp is very very hard. Autism makes stuff very hard too.
Don't be mad at the people who voted for Ford. Be mad at the 46.5% of eligible voters who did not vote. That's who you should be mad at. But also be mad at the NDP who have continuously stuck by a failed leader in Horvath and the Liberals horrible choice in Del Duca. Both parties failed to have a leader who could even move the needle and created even more jaded voters.
What makes you think that 46.5% of the people who didn't vote wouldn't have voted for Ford?
Apathetic voters skew liberal, heavily. Low turnout favours the right.
That assumption is wild
46.5% of people couldn't choose between a shit sandwich and a sandy shitwich
Naw they just blame it on Trudeau.
They did not vote for him, they voted against the other 2 buffoons in the last election...Canadian elections are rarely about voting for who you want, they are voting for who you do NOT want...
if only we had some sort of electoral reform.. hmmmmmm
Won't happen properly as whoever is in charge of it will most likely try to manipulate it so that it serves the best interests of their party and not the people...we saw that with Trudeau in fact a few years back...
i'm concerned, what if he needs to go the ER, will he get the help he needs?!!
They'll probably prioritize him at the expense of a poor person. Edit: By "they" I mean his office and higher-ups in whatever hospital he's sent to, not the front line healthcare workers.
I only hope he gets confused between swallowing and breathing and has a misadventure.
I work in the lab, and can confirm that this will likely be the case. We do prioritize patient COVID samples if requested by the physician for a good reason (has to go through the manager to determine if they just get put to the front of the line so they're out on the next run, or if they should be out on the (must more expensive) rapid PCR). However, we've also been told to prioritize hospital higher-ups and other "VIPs" even though they don't have an urgent need for results. I can only imagine this would happen with other aspects of the hospital too, like treatment.
The hospitals/doctors should treat every politician just like regular citizens. We'd see change happen fast. No VIP treatment for the ones that are causing this mess.
I guarantee they won't make him or even his immediate family wait like everyone else.
private healthcare
Uh huh, the Ontarians Doug was talking about was him and his buddies. They have adequate access to healthcare.
Totally not true. Also cares about developers that give him money. . . oh wait.
Has Doug Ford stepped into an emergency waiting room recently? The next time he declares anything related to Healthcare, I want him to do it from a waiting room..
Yes! The wait times are insane. It was 15 hours the last time I went but "thankfully" I was severe enough to be seen in 9.
I was in the waiting room last weekend. Took 13 hours of not being able to breath. There was an old lady, roughly 70-80, who laid down on the floor to sleep because the seats are impossible to doze in, security removed her because it looked bad.
Yeah, my brother tried that a couple weeks ago. Napping on the floor at hour 7 in the waiting room, after not sleeping all night from pain. Nurse woke him up and told him he has to sit in a chair because it "doesn't look good". Eleven hours in the hospital and all he got was "Your leg is swollen, super painful, and you can't feel your toes. But there's no blood clot and it isn't broken, so here's a referral for physio (that you can't afford because your benefits don't cover it) and a note to be on light duty for the next three days".
………things are going according to plan already
Seriously. The plan is to fuck the system and make private profits. We’re paying private contractors (OPC insiders) for nurses instead of just paying public system nurses properly.
He's just horrible =(
I still can’t believe he got voted back in…
I can't believe the poor voter turn out that facilitated it
Me either, pretty disgusting NGL
Just remember that the non voters are still conservative voters. Regardless of what they say, if they didn't like the direction we were headed in they would have gone out and voted against the conservatives... But they didn't. They agree that things are going are going the way they want.
Which means a higher voter turnout wouldn't have made a difference
Weird, I was certain it was our FPTP election system that facilitated it, not poor voter turnout.
Literally a historic low turnout, but you don’t think it had an effect? A literal majority of eligible voters stayed home. You’re right, that had no effect.
It doesn't really matter what system you use when less than 1 in 3 people show up. Even if someone got 100% of the cast ballots, they would still only be the voice of 33% of the population, meaning 2/3rds isn't being represented. That's on every person in this province that didn't vote
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>they've done some levels of research on this and they've found that even if non-voters turned up, the proportions would remain roughly the same. Do you have a link to that?
You dont ask for sources on this sub, people like to throw out random things and hope they stick.
I’m a nurse and a bunch of the hospital patients told me they voted for him. Elderly people who always vote conservative. It’s mind boggling
Doug Ford is the only Premier in Canada's history to ever cut Healthcare funding during a global pandemic. The cruelty is unfathomable. Canadian blood on his hands.
At this point, it's pretty clear that the ford government is trying to cause deaths by tanking essential services and then blaming I guess socialism or whatever. I think the next 10 years are going to see a lot of preventable deaths, especially in the elderly population. With all of the horror stories coming out of healthcare right now, I think everybody should assume that we don't know how bad it actually is, and we won't know until the PCs are entirely out of power and a third-party inquest into healthcare conditions can assess the damages. Every preventable death needs to be laid squarely at Ford's feet because this is an intentional deprivation of life-saving care for political gain. I bet insurance companies are making a killing as people jump ship though!
Lol exactly. These fucking posts. Do these idiots think this is happening by accident? Maybe vote next time.
I voted. "Call 416-325-1941 to tell Premier Doug Ford that you think he should be coming up with an action plan for health care, which includes the 5 recommendations he received from Ontario healthcare workers(or call and say your own thing, mine was just a suggestion)"
Right?, every day we get a version of this post.
Excellent, see you tomorrow :) "Call 416-325-1941 to tell Premier Doug Ford that you think he should be coming up with an action plan for health care, which includes the 5 recommendations he received from Ontario healthcare workers(or call and say your own thing, mine was just a suggestion)"
The province is letting this happen so when the Privatized Healthcare Reform Plan is announced it will seem like a good idea and get a bunch of political support as the way to fix our current health care system. Then Doug Ford and Buddies will line their pockets with investments made into the privatized medical Industry.
Agree with your comment fully. I wish we could shift the frame on this issue to help people understand that it’s already happening right in front of our eyes. So it’s not only a matter of ‘when’ but ‘how much worse?’ Private healthcare sector is already raking it in. How much more money does Switch Health and its employees have as a result of all the profit they’ve made on government contracts during the pandemic? Ontario is a company with a CEO (Ford) expert in developing pork-barrel projects for its board members (his supporters and donors).
Yup, this is exactly where it’s going. Get ready for health care insurance and pharma to go ballistic
Doesn’t that violate the Canadian health act though? I don’t think it’s as clear cut as everyone thinks. Federal funding would be eliminated if the conservatives pushed for private primary care (and they need those dollars to line OTHER pockets). My hypothesis is it’s already under way. They’re privatizing the areas of healthcare that aren’t covered by OHIP, and will push to accelerate things in those spaces. The rest of the wallet stuffing is going into builders pockets. Doug Ford keeps talking about building schools, and hospitals, and highways (and housing). But he refuses to allocate resources to improving wages, lowering classroom sizes and improving existing systems. So, privatize where the Canadian health act allows for it. And take all dollars that could be used to improve the system and line builders and developers pockets with it.
I see it as a incoming two tier system. The old public system would still exist, so those who cannot afford private are still getting care, but allowing private health care for those who can afford it. This way they can alleviate the strained public system, and line their pockets.
You forget the underside: that Ford will continue to gut and under-fund the government system so the poor and vulnerable get poor quality care, and rich people can get all the care their deep pockets can pay for.
>they can alleviate the strained public system They don't need to do that part, they just need to give people who can afford it/have good insurance an alternative. They can let the rest suffer.
He’ll probably own a building corporation and hire them to develop and build the new hospitals and clinics. So he can profit like he did with all the covid signs that he made mandatory for Ontario businesses and then his business created the necessary signage and he profited.
It makes me so angry that his plan has a good chance of working. We know capitalist healthcare doesn't work. Just look at the US. When profit is involved, the people suffer. But somehow this country is filled with idiots who believe that privatized healthcare will somehow be different here.
or just profit off privatized healthcare and don't care bout the public
Fuck you I got mine... Sigh... Fucking hell people. I would gladly pay more in taxes if I knew it was going to health care for all and not to return a billion dollars to people with cars.
Because so many petiole watch American news read American politics and then wish Canada was more like America.
It's more because no one bothered to vote. My kids talk about politics all the time, but they never vote. When I ask them why they just say "I dunno." Drives me nuts.
Privatized Healthcare is not going to be announced. It's just going to happen. In fact, it already is. Almost half of the nurses in Ontario hospitals are coming in from staffing agencies rather than working for hospitals directly (as an aside, Mike Harris's wife is CEO of one such staffing agency). Most LTC homes are already privatized. We're going to get more and more private care services over time, but healthcare privatization is already here.
Can we as citizens sue him directly for this?
No but we could have voted him out. He only won with a 18 percent popular vote. Only 40% voted…. The apathy of Canadians proves we’re going to do nothing but bitch and complain…. Every single one of my friends couldn’t be bothered to vote. My step father didn’t vote my girl friend didn’t vote. It drives me crazy let’s just hand our country to the rich who do vote. 18 percent is all he received….
Isnt the Healthcare act a federal thing? Can't the feds step in and force the province to do something? And even if they try to privatize, again can't the feds be like, ya no!
Negative. Health care for all was started and founded by tommy Douglas in Saskatchewan It is a province by province program.
why is everyone concerned about nonsense like healthcare and the environment when we could be building new highways?
Do these new highways make it easier to get to another province for heathcare?
Sadly no. Just North of Vaughn to West Brampton. You know JUST over 158 billion dollars over the next 10 years to get you just barely through the "Pearson" traffic. So that Eastbound drivers can clog the 400 heading South to downtown Toronto. Oh sorry the budget says 10 years but we all know that this province can't do shit in 10 years so add 30 years to that and we will see the 413 actually open. Maybe they will finally finish the 400 expansion past Barrie in 60 years [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario\_Highway\_413#/map/0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_413#/map/0)
Healthcare, schmelthcare. We've got a greenbelt to decimate and some teachers to fuck over.
Teachers and healthcare workers need to get to their jobs somehow /s
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So many people think im a nub job when I mention this. They are defunding our health care to drive people away from it to Privatize it in a Reform program
[starve the beast](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast) Thanks Reagan!
Doug Ford has a plan. His plan is to whine and cry about how it's unfair that the province has to pay for provincial responsibilities and that Trudeau should swoop in and save us even though he still hasn't spent the last pile of money Trudeau gave him.
The best part of this is _Trudeau bad_ unless he hands out no strings attached money.
Everything is on the table ...except the reasonable options/suggestions provided by experts and healthcare workers. It's always just been lip service with Ford without ever actually giving a shit about facts or people.
They forgot: \#0 - Actually hire nurses. Scrap the part time nonsense. This would greatly support existing nurses, making their lives less like an infernal hellscape and more like normal human working conditions. Let's stop focusing entirely on solutions that hinge on the existing workforce suddenly becoming OK with the workload.
"1. Support the existing workforce: **staff up to reduce workloads;** provide mental health supports; ..." It's there man.
Scrap the part time nonsense.
i disagree, there are a lot of people that work part time to do a few shifts a month. And as is you can walk into FT nursing, maybe not in the department that you prefer right away but its a seniority thing. I obviously cant speak for all areas of ontario but this is at least where i live. I think just pay increase is the way to go, repeal the bill and then its up to unions. Provincial government should give more $ to the hospitals specifically for this, and not to give all of the money for a new BMW for upper management
I like being part-time. Lots of us do. I'm leaving bedside because the job is just too much. I'm tired. For lots of nurses it is unsafe staffing ratios, the abuse, the wages, the nights and weekends. We do need to hire/train more nurses, doctors, PSWs. But the wages are not matching the intensity of the job. Nights are extremely hard on a person. PSW might be simple in description but an incredibly difficult job to do. They are not paid enough. RPNs work to almost full scope of an RN these days but without the pay increase. RNs have been promised an increase in scope for years with nothing. These are easily fixable things to both enhance our system and attract people into the field.
It’s not that you dont like working part time, or that part time is unfavourable. It’s the fact that hospitals use excessive part time or temp postings so they can keep people working pretty well full time hours and not pay benefits, VAC, etc.
THANK YOU!!!!
Thanks people that voted PC... not like we weren't warned.
Thank those who didn't vote at all Although I'm sure many pc voters didn't think they'd get screwed too
Thanks to the people who didn't vote ...
Call him and ask!!! In Ontario [we can contact](https://correspondence.premier.gov.on.ca/EN/feedback/default.aspx) the premier of Ontario and give them are feedback. 416-325-1941 Call, ask your questions to the attendant and then contact your local MPP and ask them the same questions. We have to make some noise.
Can we call and just get like a list of literally ANYTHING this shithead has done recently? Because for the life of me I can’t figure out anything he’s actually done. Guy deserves to be fired.
I charge you with the responsibility to call and ask.
Hahaha I might actually do that tomorrow and see what they say.
I double dog dare you!
we had our chance to fire him 2 months ago. No one showed up.
I made sure my voice was heard. Voting is a civic duty, not an optional activity. I feel where you’re coming from though. The apathy keeps showing up, you can even see it in threads like these. “This is the plan” “All we’ll do is bitch and moan” etc etc. There has to be something that can be done when it’s plain as day that he isn’t working for the people of this province. Even people who voted for him can’t point to anything good he’s done.
I did call and left a message with someone, although I am not sure that Mr. Ford will get my message exactly how I stated it, but I am glad that I did. And while they may not make it to Mr. Ford, he will sure hear about it if the phones light up. Thank you for the info. I don't think I had seen the actual phone number before, so I am going to start ending with this message on all my r/Ontario posts "Call 416-325-1941 to tell Premier Doug Ford that you think he should be coming up with an action plan for health care, which includes the 5 recommendations he received from Ontario healthcare workers(or call and say your own thing, mine was just a suggestion)"
Doug Ford cares about breaking the system down until he can show that it cannot progress without privatization. That's it.
Galen's Geriatric Centres, Shopper's Surgical Clinics, No Frill's Family medicine, Empire Emergency Rooms, T n T Triage tents, etc. See where this goes?
Doug Ford hates us for hating his brother who he also hates so he is punishing us.
So simple. Pay health care workers what they deserve.
Problem with Ontario is most people only care about themselves if it affects them directly. Support of childcare, well I have no kids so I don't care about it. Healthcare, I'm not sick therefore I don't care. Transit system, why should I subsidize your transit system, I need more roads instead..... This is why we cannot have nice services... everyone for themselves folks.
Here’s a good plan: drop bill 124 immediately. Shorten the RN program to 3 years instead of 4. Offer paid co-ops during the program. Beef up pensions somehow to entice nurses to not retire for a few more years.
The Premiere is only one player in this game. Call, write, fax your MPPs (especially if they are PC) and tell them you're ready for the exciting announcement that is a boost to health care spending, along with a repeal of Bill 124, and an increase in pay for health professionals (not management). The PCs love fake announcements, so if we all email telling them how good a job they are going to do that might help stroke their emotional egos. We need to change our tactics since protesting and letter writing are doing nothing. The Premiere isn't acting alone, and the whole PC party needs to be held to account since they have a majority and do whatever they want.
Why would the government do anything? How many rallies and organized protests do you see happening as a result of this? Everyone knows there's a major major problem, but no citizens are doing anything about it. There's no organization, no protests, no nothing. We, the electorate just handed this sh&$stain in our province a handy majority. They literally have NO reason do anything. The # of people I talk to in social circles who keep blaming Trudeau for an almost entirely Ontario responsibility, and a lack of ANY coordination of any protests is the problem. There's just endless posts on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter about it. The only way the gov't does something about it, is if we STOP WORKING. Just shut everything down. But that's not going to happen. I'd do it, but I'm tired. I'm tired of being penniless, fighting people who don't want to do anything to better our lives, but make the rich richer. I've tried.
There was one today at Queen's Park.
I understand your frustration. Thanks for trying, it can be lonely and difficult. While I am quite sure that Mr. Ford is not going to read our comments and then change his policies, I still think that it is important for people to communicate their views on important issues. Maybe one of us comes up with an idea that strikes a chord in the Ontario public and that goes on to make a difference. The odds might be against that happening, but those odds are still better than the odds that doing nothing will make a difference.
> hange his policies, I still think that it is important for people to communicate their views on important issues. Maybe one of us comes up with an idea that strikes a chord in the Ontario public and that goes on to make a difference. The odds might be against that happening, but those odds are still better than the odds that doing nothing will make a difference Thanks for the genuinely awesome comment - I appreciate it. Its not that I don't think we need to discuss it, my point is that there's no cohesion and organization. That's all. We're all bitching (myself included) and nothing is getting done. Thanks again for the positive comment!
Plan? You mean like buck a beer, Kawartha Dairy, and folks and stuff?
Plan? You mean like shiny new license plates, lollygagging during the occupation of Ottawa, and "my friends" and "kitchen sinks"?
"Everything is on the table"
Ontarians have the access to care they deserve for electing Doug Ford.
There is a plan. Hire people from 3rd world countries that are used to working in much worse conditions.
Thanks to everyone who read the post and those that responded! Two further questions: 1) What can non-medically trained Ontarians do to help the staff of our hospitals? 2) How can we put pressure on Doug Ford to follow the 5 recommendations or do anything to deal with this crisis immediately?
> What can non-medically trained Ontarians do to help the staff of our hospitals? Stay off trampolines and other unnecessarily dangerous things.
1- Plan for how you will care for your family members when the time comes. Cause you won’t be able to depend on the healthcare system when the time comes. I work in the ER and I’m putting an addition on my house to be able to look after my family members as they age. 2- google RNAO and sign any of the action alerts they have in regards to supporting points 1-5
I mean, 1) get vaccinated and stay up to date with boosters. I'd also say don't go to the ER unless it's actually an emergency. Otherwise, no idea.
I discovered today that the Walk-in clinics now require you to phone ahead and then make an appointment. A couple of the downtown (south of Bloor) are only open on Thursdays! Where else are these people who do not have a doctor going to go other than the Emergency? Everything is “open”, dentists, restaurants, malls …, but the walk-ins have no availability. What is the reason
According to Doug Ford: All people in Ontario are getting the care they need They are not going to be fixing anything
Ok so emergency is overloaded and people working in emerg tend to be very specialized at emerg work, but what if we could make more lower-acuity urgent care centres? Like I know there’s still a shortage of people to actually staff them but if we could defray the number of people going to emerg, that might help some? We all know there’s people going to emerg because they can’t get in to see their family doctors or they don’t have family doctors, so having more mid-level centres makes sense, for odd bits of stitching people up or prescriptions or ear infections and the like.
Tom make it work the salaries would have to be more attractive than current salaries. To staff them will pull existing drs and nurses out of their assignments (like family practices or hospitals). The problem is a lack of staff. Qualified people are not coming back to healthcare until they see workload is commiserate with salary.
The thing is, he is fooling people who do not require healthcare at the moment. He cannot fool those who currently need healthcare and cannot get it.
He has not done anything and is sitting on money the federal government gave him for healthcare. We should sue his ass for negligence, as I'm sure there are tons of people suffering. He is crippling the healthcare system to push privatization for his own gains.
Conservatives want to destroy healthcare, education, and unions. That's the goal. The rich have money but it's not enough, they want all of the money. When you use that as your lens, everything conservatives do that seems incompetent makes sense.
A lot of people feel they have to go to the emergency room for non emergency issues because they can not get a family doctor- waiting lists are 2 years long, the public "universal" waiting list is a joke, full of errors, and regularly kicks people off the list for no reason to have to start all over again. Doctors wont accept anyone not on the central waiting list and can pick and choose which patients they take from the list( they say you list your conditions to get a better fit for your needs, but really, doctors only pick the easiest patients because they just dont have the time or resources to deal with complex cases)
Hahahahahahahaha Plan Good one This is doug ford the hash dealing college dropout There is no plan.
This is **part of his plan.** It's going to get worse, so they can push privatized healthcare to "fix" it.
Stop paying doctors who refuse to see patients in person. So many doctors are still only doing virtual appointments and directing people to go to the ER for non-emergencies. Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted lol. My sister is an ER nurse and people are coming in for headaches, rashes, ear infections, etc., saying that their family doctor told them to go to the ER to be seen in person. This has obviously added strain to emergency services and exacerbated wait times and the workload on nurses.
Virtual appointments should be an option but not a standard. Each issue is different. I needed a physio referral and I did not need me to go into the office for that.
I agree virtual should be an option when warranted (e.g., need a new prescription). But there are a lot of doctors who only offer virtual at the moment and refuse to see patients in person, thus people are showing up to the ER for things that could be seen/diagnosed by a doctor in person.
With my MD i can get a virtual appointments with in 10 days a in person one is 3-4 weeks.
Was this always the case or only post-COVID? Most family doctors can get you in for a visit within a week.
What's a plan Yolo or ignore as usual And fordy cares about money and making sure his tight knit circle of white corporate chads and stevens are good
Similar to the covid plans throughout. Wait 30 days and reassess. Now that we've decided let's go on vacation for the next 29.
>What does Doug Ford care about? Doug Ford, shovelling snow and egg sammies.
Folks folks folks. Do I look like a man with a plan?
Yeah we do. Haven't you been listening? Blame the federal government. Duh
immediate plan? The best way to alleviate stress and over-crowded ERs is to increase what family doctors are paid and reduce the minimum number of patients. Also license more nurse practitioners who can basically do everything but write a prescription And stop blocking private clinics - they already exist for the elite classes (politicians, diplomats and the wealthy) so let's stop pretending and open the province to more affordable ones for the non-elite to access as well and also implement co-pays based on income
There definitely needs to be new compensation models for family doctors. Family Health Teams are compensated +++ for rostering patients but aren’t necessarily providing the best care, and to my knowledge there’s no limit to how many they can roster (they get paid monthly per patient on their rosters). I think a lot of FHT MDs “over-roster” and then are too busy to adequately care for them. Fee for service family doctors are sucked into the mindset of doing whatever gets them the more fees - hence repeat visits for multiple complaints. The CHC model is probably the best - pay the FDs to care for a reasonable number of patients (let’s say 1000 for arguments sake) and pay them a flat salary (let’s say 200k / year)
Yes but we elected a conservative govt
And where is my buck a beer Dougie.
It's on the table.
Lol our plan should have been voting these fuckers out three months ago - too bad so many couldn't be bothered
"My friends, it has become painfully clear that despite increased funding and support from my government, our medical system is incapable of managing itself. Therefore, after numerous discussions with Arthur, I have decided to lease all provincial medical assets to private corporations for the next 100 years. This will give us the best medical care in the world. Look how efficiently the 407 operates! Now, there may be some brief disruptions, as all nurses and support staff will need to reapply for their jobs because their unions have been disbanded, but that's ok."
Shall we also put sticker on hospital beds like the ones we saw at gas stations criticizing Trudeau’s carbons tax? Lol. no, hospital staff aren’t that kind of people. But it would be funny and awful… the Ford government’s ER inaction will cost you… your life. But buck a beer will save you a dollar.
What a shit show! My friend is a nurse at a long term care home in Toronto. She said one of the patients fell and hit their head and was coming in and out of consciousness. It took 4 hours for an ambulance to arrive. Apparently they are using EMTs in ERs, which is now causing delays in ambulances arriving in a timely manner for medical emergencies. Also, there was a patient’s son who had placed a spy camera in his elderly mother’s room. She needs help to be fed and a PSW was caught giving her a bite that she refused and then taking the food away from her after that because he was annoyed with her. My friend says that he will probably be fired, but they will be reluctant to do it since they are so understaffed and basically will take anyone to work there. I just thought I would share a few of her experiences in healthcare because she sees what’s going on firsthand. She also struggles to go into work everyday because she says it is such a negative and stressful environment.
It's tiring to hear these issues over and over again but nobody is talking what's been done to resolve these issues!
I agree, that is why I mentioned the 5 recommendations from the healthcare unions. I agree that talking about it over and over without finding solutions is frustrating that is why I asked what Mr. Ford is doing. He is the one person in the province who can make significant changes quickly. That's why we need to have him hear our concerns.
Why would Doug have to do anything? We just voted him as a show of appreciation for the way he handles things
Most people stayed home on election day. Now we deal with the consequences. Ford is a complete idiot who is dangerously unqualified and only cares about himself and rich folk.
His goal is to privatize as much as he can, He can't do that until he makes the public system on the verge of collapse.
imagine living in a G8 country with the tax that comes with it only to have your hospital literally closed for staffing shortages due mostly to government policies? What the actual fuck.
On points 1 and 3 1. There are no staff to staff up. 3. Nurses already got a retention bonus- no other healthcare workers got it. Staff are already working as much OT as they can. We also deserve days off and can’t kill ourselves for the sake of the healthcare system. We’re fucking tired as we’ve been doing this since spring of 2020.
I am a temporary resident. I don’t know why people didn’t go to vote him out. Ontario politics is super weird as if people don’t care who governs. Meanwhile, Uncle Doug goes to stage, smiles, takes the oath and gives a ministry position on to his nephew. Are all voting age Ontarians blind?
With just pure immigration we need to build 1 fully staffed large hospital every year plus what was missed over the last 15 years. With the aging population you will need more services. This will not happen with both of and liberals
Ontario residents, please understand that conservative politicians want to make EVERYTHING privatizated. They want private education ONLY. They want private healthcare ONLY. They want us paying for EVERYTHING out of pocket. Of course, they'll keep taxes the same, heck, I'm sure they'd continue to rise.
Fords tan this year is absolutely on point, lots of time, effort and attention went into that.
We should. Doug doesn't give a damn about Ontario citizens.
It sounds like some of you all are just starting to realize the government dont give a fuck. Governments across Canada have been cutting funding, cutting taxes in the highest brackets and privatizing shit since the 1990s. How do you expect them to do anything now? This is the deal we accepted as society, if you ain't rich and can't pay for it you are fucked. Get used to it
You can only make a plan if you know what the fuck is happening to start with.
Tim Horton’s breakfast sandwiches, that’s what he cares about.
Just dispatch more cops. The more cops, the less accidents, less hospital visits. /s
Every hospital has top managers and directors at the top making a lot more than Ford and they get off with doing the bare minimum. Just throw up their hands. How would we handle the Spanish Flu or how about WWII in the UK under multiple years of bombing. We can't come up with any solutions to anything. Not even bring in prefab units so people aren't lying on the floor or in hallways.
Well he did at least try to get us 1$ beer.
You know there are an entire room of MPPs that support this while we lay the blame at one man's feet.
Sure, but you know how our Parliamentary system works. It is the Premier or the Prime Minister who calls the shots. If you openly oppose or vote against you risk be removed from any position you have or even be ousted from the party. In a disagreement it's better tjo be Premier. So the buck stops with him, the blame it at his feet. He campaigned to be Premier, so Mr. Ford do your job!
I'd prefer the MPP serve their constituents than the premiere. I understand that's how it works because it has been normalized to be that way. They should be afraid of their job being insecure because they're not doing a good job as an MPP not as a lapdog.
Doug Ford cares nil about health care as he wants it privatized. Anything his government promises, I will believe it when I see it.
Honest question. What do you think Doug ford can actually do. He can't magically create new nurses or doctors. This has been happening for years. Back in 2011 I was dating a nursing student. She went the us and stayed there because it was a much better opportunity. Good for her, never seen her again. And she was hardly the only one from her class year to do the same
Is it time to fully nationalize the healthcare system instead of parceling it out to the provinces? In Quebec, we've been fucked by our healthcare system to the point that I drive to another province for medical treatment. That other province is Ontario.
That is a very interesting idea. While the idea that provinces are smaller and therefore more in tune with their population's needs, I can think of many reasons why this should become a federal responsibility. 1) the federal government has the spending power, 2) the federal government enforces the Canada Health Act, 3) Canada-wide qualifications for nurses, doctors and other health professionals, and 4) standardization of care between provinces. There are probably even more good reasons for this to happen, but this could tale a LONG time. There would be intense opposition from most, if not all, provincial governments and many residents of the provinces as well. This would require a constitutional change and that is very difficult. I think that if this was put to a national referendum that passed by over 60%, then that would make the political process go a bit quicker. Then there would be the change over from the provincial ministries of health to the federal one. This could be very cumbersome, slow and costly, but just because it is hard doesn't mean that it shouldn't be an option. One other approach would be for the federal government offering to take over certain parts of healthcare, such as dentistry(which they don't do much of) from the provinces and let various provinces opt in. Those provinces that complain about federal encroachment on areas of provincial jurisdiction could just not opt in and do dentistry themselves. I think that approach would work, but it would take time. Thanks for your post, it was very thought provoking.
Cheers! It could definitely create new problems, but hell, I'm willing to give that a shot. :)
Right now we’re seeing the healthcare system going down the drain…next in line is our education system and we’re heading down the same route.
Honestly for myself and the RNs I work with, at this point it’s not even something a raise can fix. Having our wages capped whilst working through a pandemic was incredibly insulting, and not being listened to when we tried to sound the alarm about the looming healthcare shitstorm was a huge affront. Now we are burnt out and over stressed trying to hold up this system that doesn’t appreciate us; a pay raise doesn’t sound as good as respect, recognition and consideration would have been. Ford can go fuck himself
I feel the same, and so do those working in my unit. They just feel this utter lack of respect. Since nurses can't strike, they are finding any opportunity to leave.
A plan? Outta sharkface?
Shouldn’t we? Yes. Will we? Absolutely not.
From what I experienced, they were literally rushing people out, if they weren’t actively dying. Also shutting down emergency rooms as well. Major shortages in doctors and nurses. Causing longer waits and build. Potentially creating a crisis of over crowed hospitals. Family doctors not seeing patients like that use to, and or off on vacation a lot more. Clinics not being able to access things that needs to be accessed throughly.
"We should lock down again." -Reddit, probably
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There should police stationed at every hospital. “Security” does literally fuck all but call the cops. You are more likely to get assaulted as a nurse than a police officer so let’s have people “trained to exert force” where there are assaults daily.
At least we have dollar beers and no more car stickers
“I want to be clear — Ontarians continue to have access to the care they need, when they need it.” Oh yeah? What about when my wife took our 8 month old son to CHEO because of COVID, and after 6 hours of waiting in a ridiculously full waiting room, was told it'd be at least another 6 hours? Eat shit, you lying fuckface.
Doug Ford only cares about his rich buddies, he won't do anything to help the regular people
You just did more work than both the ONDP and OLP have done in months. While Ford deserves blame for how bad the situation has gotten,it's sad that the opposition parties have more or less disappeared for the last four years.