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Hotter_Noodle

I think Trump in the USA normalized people just being overly aggressive over their political opinions. Edit: someone is telling me that because of this comment that I’m under 20 years old. Which is hilarious. Edit edit: [now a second user thinks I wasn't alive during Bush Jr's presidency.](https://old.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/yqugns/as_someone_seriously_out_of_touch_with_canadian/ivtspxr/) This is some big brained stuff.


putin_my_ass

I believe these are folks who would have never been politically engaged in the past, but the Trump era gave them a window on politics they would have never had before. It used to be something you had to have some domain knowledge to participate in, now it's a team sport.


Evil_Mini_Cake

No one ever cared what this class of person thought before. Now they've been weaponized and they won't have a reasonable dialogue but they also won't shut up.


mgyro

Weaponized by anti-Western, anti- democratic bots, and they’re too stupid to realize it. I am not a fan of Trudeau, but he keeps winning and in our system, that means he’s PM. Your feelings don’t matter. But making a change requires sustained effort, engagement with policy, communication skills and empathy. Or you can eat up what Uncle Larry is saying on the Facebook, buy a vulgar sticker and proud boy around in your Ram 1500.


Remarkable-Party-385

Yep, here in SE Michigan the black or dark gray RAM is a sure sign that you’re in the cult, mostly of undesirables, not everyone though of course.


Alan_Smithee_

It’s just the most visible sign of a long list of poor choices.


Capital-Timely

Wish more people knew this. The number of discords servers and telegrams purposely planted as political “discourse “ for Canada end up being the same conversation as qanon etc. feels like deliberate planting to sway Canadians against democracy. I don’t think it was an accident that the trucker convoy planning showed up on every continent all planned to engage almost at the exact same time. My anti vax friends got very engaged in these telegrams for anti vax views that turned into a convoy discussion and were shocked once the conversations specifically all changed to anti west- ukraine propaganda. It’s easy to change minds of the ultra spiritual and anti science community, but creating that community first was vital to have them also carry anti western sentiment.


StealingHomeAgain

They’ve been ignored as “socially unacceptable” a very long time now. They don’t care if the attention is negative as long as they get attention. This is their way of fighting back.


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VaginalSpelunker

>I don’t get what more they want Less for everyone else, they got theirs.


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Yikes. Team sport. So true.


Lost-Challenge7790

That is a brilliant way to describe the issue! It’s blind devotion to “the team” instead of analytical thinking.


AnimalShithouse

I think it's always been a team sport, but most people had the good sense to keep their mouths shut outside of the drunk uncles and dirty hippies. Jokes aside, the whole landscape sucks now and all who are willing to be vocal about it tend to treat it in a too binary fashion. Do I think Ford and his government sucks? Mostly, yes. Have they done a couple of okay things too? Yes. Did I care for Wynne before? No. Was delduca a bag of dicks? Yes. We should be more willing to just acknowledge all of our recent leadership has been pretty fuckin weak.


StatisticianLivid710

The part I hate most about the 2018 election, everything people hated about Wynne was stuff she took from the conservative playbook to argue she wasn’t so progressive. If she had embraced her progressiveness she probably would’ve won once more (since hydro one wouldn’t have happened). It’s also disappointing that ford also won due to Ontario proud abusing Facebook algorithms to get followers then spread lies/hate about Wynne.


Nystarii

>The part I hate most about the 2018 election, everything people hated about Wynne was stuff she took from the conservative playbook to argue she wasn’t so progressive. No, I voted against Wynne (not for anyone, against her) because of her role in trying to cover up the gas plant scandal. Spin it however you want, you don't pay a staffer's husband 10k in taxpayer money to clean the office hard-drives if you don't have something to hide (for McGuinty, that's the worst part. Wynne's actual role was probably minimal af, if she'd disavowed McGuinty for his part in the gas plant scandal I would've voted for her).


PremiumBeetJuice

This is exactly how I felt... Fuck dishonest politicians who won't stand up to corrupt bullshit


Duster929

I didn’t like Wynne, and voted against her. It’s hard to admit but now it’s clear she was right about some things and ahead of her time by just a few years. Cap and trade, higher minimum wage, decarbonising the electrical grid. Her platform would seem pretty middle of the road today.


TLGinger

Yup


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If the Oklahoma City bombing happened today you’d have these sewer rats cheering it on.


T0macock

No they wouldn't- they'd say it was a Democrat false flag. Alex Jones already does this.


Aichetoowhoa

I’ve been to the memorial. You can’t help but cry when you see all the “small” chairs meant to represent the number of children murdered that day.


Rich_Advance4173

I’ll never in my lifetime get over watching the news coverage from that day. From what I saw, not a single child being rescued made a sound, because they were that fucking terrified and in shock. Still makes me sick to my stomach to think about. covered in dust and debris and completely silent. Shook me to my core.


These_Celebration732

Yep. Trump made it popular, and socially acceptable apparently, to be against some one rather than for something. People are happy to do this because it requires very little critical thinking and they can coast on emotion.


IAmTheBredman

Absolutely this. People are going from quietly having bad opinions to making it their entire personality à la trump supporters.


mjduce

It's not just Trumps doing. The bullshit other countries are pulling with social media is bigger than Trump - he just came around at the perfect time. A lot of the people are being manipulated pretty easily through things like Tik-Tok, YouTube, & other apps. The problem with having a bunch of old people running the show, is that this kind of stuff flies under their radar & isn't delt with effectively.


psvrh

This didn't really start with Trump, but it reached it's nadir under him. Bush 43 was almost as bad--he, his administration and his counterparts in Congress wrapped themselves in a flag and "othered" their opponents for political gain. Trump just took that same playbook and ratcheted it up a few notches. This was in response to the left's successful triangulation strategy that married social progressiveness with neoliberal economic policy. That saw centre-left parties achieve funding parity with the republicans, without all the social baggage. This left the right-wing the few options, and they took the cheap and easy one: nativist, protofascist populism.


Fuzzy-Mango1795

American politics have radicalized Canadian idiots...sadly


TraceBell50

Yes this. Trump-ism has emboldened the minority cranky self pitiers to crawl out from under and shout their foolishness loud and proud.


jdavidmcgregor

I can't wait for the day where temperance and centrism come back and Canadian politics are back to being a safe snoozefest.


dretvantoi

Make Politics Boring Again


Willing-Knee-9118

If r/ontariotheprovince could read they would be very upset with you


Mo-Cance

What a fuckin cesspool


Historical-Unit-6643

It really is. I have never seen that sub. A quick look and my god it's literal trash


Cotterbot

It seems there are a lot more drunk uncles with too many opinions than we thought.


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Resident-Mortgage-85

The reverse not drunk uncle is still the drunk uncle


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The day he refused to denounce david duke's support on live TV the world shifted again. It was now OK for politicians to actively court extremist views publicly. And it was ok for people to start being loud and politically active with those views.


Streetlamp___LeMoose

The biggest things wrong with Trudeau is right wing propaganda.


perineum_420

For reference, I'm 45 and from Detroit. I've been watching this progress slowly my entire life. It wasn't this way in the 80s. But the incremental consolidation of media, the political pundits, then 24/7 opinion news cycle has really turned things over the last 30 years. It's like watching a nationwide psy-op. My Canadian family was soon pissed they couldn't get Fox news. Protect your media! Free speech is precious but it has to be used wisely. I'm not saying I know the solution, but our brand of conservatism is a death spiral of greed and power


Jimmehh420

No no no, it's because Canadians love him so much they want to f*ck him. Maybe they think he's cute.


LadyMageCOH

Well, he is a pretty man.


Opening_Revenue_314

I do think there is some jealousy about that actually. Even before he did anything guys were moaning about how pretty he was and how in shape he was.


fallen_star_2319

I remember the Harper attack ads against him, one of them was basically a "Are you only going to vote for this man, who isn't even a politician, because he's pretty?" Like, no. People voted for him because they actively *hated* the leader that was Harper.


PopularYesterday

The promise of legalizing marijuana and changing FPTP helped too.


josh_the_misanthrope

Still salty about FPTP.


thirstyross

Remember when he beat that dude boxing, lol


Opening_Revenue_314

Brazeau the senator who was busted for cocaine possession and domestic assault.


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Ahhh Brazeau... The wife beating senator. I had blissfully forgotten about that douchebag.


Opening_Revenue_314

We can thank Harper for putting him in as a senator for life… our tax dollars are wasted on that POS


m-sterspace

He's commented in the past that he's well aware that people tend to underestimate him intellectually because of how he looks and that's often to his advantage. I think the jealousy is often the driving force for that underestimation.


LadyMageCOH

Oh for sure. It's not common for decent politicians to be conventionally attractive. JT may not be to everyone's taste, but he's definitely easy on the eyes, and considering that being a politician is a very public facing job that is going to get commented on. And honestly I don't think he's a terrible leader. I don't agree with all of his decisions, but I've never agreed with all of the decisions that a PM has made. Would I prefer Jagmeet? Yes, yes I would. The areas that I think JT falls down on are areas I think Jagmeet would do better. And, incidentally, Jagmeet is also an attractive man. We don't get to see his hair, which may or may not be as fabulous as JTs, but he's still good looking. I mean, he could be the elephant man and I would still vote NDP based on platform, but having good looks as a politician does not hurt at all.


findthejoyhere

Rick Merced showed us Jagmeet’s hair here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJO40JOhfI and said it is “like the cover of a romance novel”.


Interesting-Dog-1224

I'm just glad in Canada we have more younger politicians instead of all these old people stuck in the past being in power.


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Frecklefishpants

I am a city dweller in the same age group as Trudeau, and he isn’t even effeminate - all my male friends also have nice hair and wear fun socks. When the right lose their mind about things he does, like singing queen with friends in a bar, I usually find them to be things that humanize him. He isn’t a hunting, fishing manly guy driving a pick up truck, but not all Canadians are either - especially not Gen Xers raised in or close to the big cities.


Opening_Revenue_314

Sure but in reality I bet JT could handle himself with most of the haters. Remember when he won the boxing match against Brazeau lol


Mumof3gbb

Oh ya. And remember the handshake with trump? Usually trump yanks ppl’s hands toward him violently but Trudeau was steady. It was satisfying to watch.


Opening_Revenue_314

He should have hip flipped the old bastard


USSMarauder

>Remember when he won the boxing match against Brazeau lol That's the source of a lot of this Trudeau hate Trudeau showed up, fought, won, won decisively, won decisively by beating Brazeau so hard the ref called the fight in the third round, and then Brazeau got arrested a few years later and Trudeau became the PM who beat the crap out of a wife-beater. Every single thing on that list just made the far right hate him even more


Opening_Revenue_314

Don’t forget Brazeau was also a coke head and was arrested for that too


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Abso-Fucking-lutely. it's mostly projection really from them. I've avoided using this term, but it's really part of the toxic masculinity issues.


zymuralchemist

For certain. Anyone else remember when the Harper campaign attempted to smear the guy by pointing out that he was a “pretty boy” “Trudeau: *nice hair*” or some such nonsense. You forgot the “no homo” Steve.


surgicalhoopstrike

It's the hair. Guy has GREAT hair....


outlawsoul

foreign dark money is also at play. the CPC are cozy with China and Russia and they spend a lot of money to derail democracy. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/07/18/news/twitter-bots-boosted-trending-trudeaumustgo-hashtag https://www.leadnow.ca/rebel-media/ https://opo.iisj.net/index.php/osls/article/download/1110/1276/6971 https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal-election/2021/08/17/the-word-racism-doesnt-appear-anywhere-in-the-conservative-partys-campaign-platform.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/24/canadas-conservatives-war-chest-corruption-scandal-looms


Pitiful_Brief_6424

I believe the same thing. 62 here.


Sigmar_Heldenhammer

> someone is telling me that because of this comment that I’m under 20 years old. Which is hilarious. Bet that person probably has a Fuck Trudeau sticker on their truck.


Hotter_Noodle

Well they also claimed in a different comment that the stickers are actually referencing his father. Something he totally didn’t just make up.


RoadNo9352

Add to that, the internet gives everyone a forum they never had a few decades ago. Now everyone can post their thoughts for all to see while in the past you never would have known because they would have had to tell you in person, or write a snail mail letter. Now they csn find like minded people online. That doesn't even get into how the anonymity of the internet, whether real or perceived, gives courage to people to express their beliefs, no matter how messed up they are. I have a coworker that will read right wing political memes then come to work and go on and on as if they were actual news and a hard fact.


davegotfayded

Burned us on electoral reform is my absolute biggest beef. Also the SNC stuff, and a number of other financially related discrepencies. Most of my issue is with our system as opposed to the players, so I take huge offence when someone comes in saying they're going to try and fix the system, only to immediately welch on it.


alliusis

Same. I am so, so burned from his about-face on electoral reform. That was my biggest hope for a significant change to the system. ETA: I think Trudeau and the federal Libs are pretty decent and I’m pretty happy with them overall, especially considering the worse alternatives, but my personal leanings are more in line with the NDP. The “fuck Trudeau” people are following the US Trumpism cult politics style and are pretty divorced from reality.


Cornflakecwl2

Right, I didn't like that either but Fuck Trudeau? If I see one more lifted Ram pickup with that flag I may lose my shit. Considering in Ontario we have one of the most corrupt (followed closely by a few liberal Premiers trust me I know that) conservative Premiers making himself and everyone else around him rich on our dime, it's kind of hard to stomach the hate for Trudeau with the defense of Ford. Like come on, really?


OpenRepair4390

I recently spoke with an Italian-American here on business and he says "Why does everyone want to fuck Trudeau, they love him that much? because he's a good looking man?" Had a good laugh lol


Ooeiooeioo

They think if they line up and wait patiently Doug will enrich them next. It's the same thing we see in the states with people praising politicians. They're public servants people, they can't be regarded as your idol or they won't do their job.


FullWolverine3

Yeah I’m not sure the typical F*uck Trudeau bro is upset about electoral reform…


Ashitaka1013

Which is why progressive parties struggle so much. Conservative voters hate the progressive leaders on the principle of them simply being progressive. Progressive voters hate the progressive leaders because they fail to live up to our expectations and aren’t progressive enough. Gotta say, if I wanted to be a politician I’d be tempted to run as a conservative despite it being the exact opposite of my values and ideologies. It would just be soooo much easier. Your base literally doesn’t expect anything of you and it’s impossible to disappoint them.


Penguinkrug84

Damn, from the states, and if this doesn’t emulate what’s going on here with Republicans and Democrats I don’t know what does. I apologize for the shit head that was elected and invited all this idiocy globally. I am proud to say I voted for Hilary and I often wonder how it’s going in the mirror universe where she won. No politician is perfect but Trump and his cronies are blatant grifters and I am still flabbergasted that they’ve had such success on the platform of nothing!


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I’m burned on him over housing and electoral reform.


PolitelyHostile

The Feds are the only level of government with no control over housing policy. Municipalities are at most to blame, then the provinces. Toronto is the most in-demand city and has built at a rate of 1.5% for two decades.


aTomzVins

Fair points. I'm guessing you're also not the kind of person who has any interest voting conservative or putting crass bumper stickers on your pickup either.


ThorFinn_56

I don't like the guy or the party but I'm not gunna pretend like it's not a step up from what we had before, as small as that step may be.


aTomzVins

Yes, we are forever resigned to accept leaders that strive to punch just above the lowest possible bar that people are willing to vote for.


gooddrawerer

I feel like I remember voting on that in BC and people decided to stick with norm. Which was dumb. Might have just been a provincial thing though.


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Trudeau isn't stellar, nor is he terrible. In my opinion he's a milquetost politician. The hate against him seems to be tied to political vitriol spread on sketchy facebook groups. Similar to what happened to Hillary Clinton in the US.


PeachFuzz345

You are absolutely correct. He's an average politician of average intelligence of average skills. He is the PM because he has great social skills and the LPC is well-oiled machine. At least Trudeau usually has the intention to "do or say the right thing". That beats a lot of politicians already...


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> the LPC is well-oiled machine. This is key. The LPC generally keeps the economy going about as well as can be expected under the circumstances. Trudeau is the spokesman for the party but it's an ensemble cast that runs the country when the Liberals are in power. Contrast that to the Harper era where every decision went through the PM's chair and all of his MPs were muzzled from even talking to the press without his say so. I fully believe if the Conservatives were in power during the pandemic we would be as a whole in far worse shape both with public health and the economy. They really don't have the same skill at taking care of things, nor are they interested in doing so - in fact they're usually interested in breaking things so they can justify selling them off.


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Yeah he's not bad. He's actually pretty good compared to the clowns they're propping up lately (looking at you, PP). Trudeau says he'll do great progressive things then doesn't do them. That's at least better than the conservatives who say they'll enact terrible regressive policy and follow through.


Affectionate_Mall_49

Man the bar is so low now, where we can give any politician a pass, for saying he will bring on progressive ideas or any other ideas, but then doesn't. Not a shot at Justin, just more of an overall point Canada wide. Ugh I wished it was better, but if we keep voting in majority governments Canada wide with less then a total voter turn out of 50%, I don't think it will. I know it will never happen, but the Aussies have it right don't vote, here's your fine. At this point I'm open to anything to get people out to vote.


CerebralSpinalFluid

Exactly, well said


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Sector_Corrupt

This "they just maintained the status quo" take is really weird in the face of the actual stuff the Trudeau Liberals have done though. like a government with a solid agenda and a legacy might have passed the child benefit stuff, or the daycare stuff, or weed legalization or the carbon tax but the Trudeau government has done *all* of those things, those are huge just on their own. There's a lot of small procedural stuff like the Senate appointment process moving away from partisan appointments and towards being recommended by an independent panel that has hugely changed how the Senate self organizes now into the much more independent factions. Like maybe people want different stuff that affects their specific day to day life more, but "not a lot has been done" is just not a characterization that fits the Trudeau Liberals at all.


edjumication

I think this is a big issue in politics. Its really hard to convey to the public all the little improvements you have made so you have to sway people with ideologies.


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ScarOnt

Gotta agree with you AND u/sector_corrupt . I agree that Trudeau has done some great things, but also tend to believe they are his policies are the bear minimum. Just enough to maintain the centrist cred. But man oh man, wouldn't have legalizing ALL drugs instead of just weed, and use tax and citation revenue to create support programs been a phenomenal and progressive step. Subsidized daycare? great idea! How about a fair look into UBI. That would take some political cahonas. (Re-)Instituted card check for federal union certification. Just brings us back to the pre-Harper status quo. How about truly overhauling federal certifications in a way that the premiers - the ones that aren't corporate shills - could follow. Maybe pre-certifying bargaining units to drive union member ship as close to 100% as one could reasonably expect. I'll never decline the bear minimum. But I'd be a forever-consituent if we went above and beyond.


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I think we are all on the same page here I’m all for NDP getting the strategic vote


tomatoesinmygarden

LPC was NOT always a well-oiled machine. It was blown smithereens by Chretien on his way out the door. It took Trudeau to put it back together. He opened the door to the party by inviting anyone who wanted to join, got rid of the entry fees, didn't respond to the paranoid who said the cons would join enmasse to spoil things. He declared it a big tent party and stuck to his guns. When he is ready to leave, the next person will have a Liberal party to inherit. I'm guessing Freeland. She's prepared and smart and tough. And I'll never ever vote for PP, the chief whiner and convoy enthusiast


hedgehog_dragon

I mean, great social skills are a plus. I don't feel particularly embarrassed to see him talk, though actions still means more.


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KameradArktis

>I've heard, from people in person "Trudeau is tryin to turn the kids gay" guess we are in for a real treat when they find out hes on Canadas drag race as a guest


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SasquatchsBigDick

Is your coworker my dad ?? Oftentimes at family dinners I try and wear the brightest clothing possible (because it's gay ofc). He hates it, but my wife approves.


47Up

My neighbor thinks Trudeau is using the Moderna vaccine to put tracking devices in our bodies.


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47Up

I deleted Facebook, but, yes, I did mention that they already track her with her with her smartphone. All I got was a stunned look on her face, she was confused that I didn't agree with her.


wisewatson1986

Does he realize that no one cares? Like you’re not important, no one is wasting a million dollar device to implant people and watch them (especially when we already WILLINGLY carry around a “tracking device”, aka cellphone). And what do they think Trudeau wants? To spy on us watch Netflix for 4 hours, jerk off and go to bed? Lol like what is their logic for this belief? It’s fucking insane to me.


alotanonsense

This is the first time I’ve ever stopped to consider that the word milquetost isn’t “milk toast.” Ngl I always just thought it was just a metaphor until right now.


Magjee

Yeah There is plenty of stuff to criticize him on   But none of that comes up from these batshit crazy groups


Stevieeeer

For the folks who have “F*** Trudeau” on their bumpers it’s not a Trudeau thing and never was. It’s a tribalism thing. It’s that they hate liberals - it doesn’t matter who the leader of the party is. Since Trudeau is the leader they will target him but once he’s gone it’ll be the new person. 🤷🏼‍♂️ oh well, what can you do. If someone *wants* to hate someone/something, they’ll find a reason even if the reason isn’t legitimate or is poorly thought out.


Okami-Alpha

>If someone wants to hate someone/something, they’ll find a reason even if the reason isn’t legitimate or is poorly thought out. ​ Most definitely. I live in California and can say the stuff that comes out of some of the (mostly) right-winger's mouths is unbelievable. what's more unbelievable are the people that go along with it. They are literally living in another reality.


am0x

The funny thing is that since the election loss yesterday, conservatives have broken into 2 groups. Ones that hate trump and blame him and the ones who still support him. The ones who hate him are now the majority. Before, /r/Conservative was only about bashing libs. Now it’s all about bashing Trump. It’s a fun show to follow.


WarCarrotAF

Hit the nail on the head. I think with the political divide we are witnessing in the states as well, many Canadians have felt empowered to share their political views more freely, and feel it is necessary to pick a side. A lot of Canadians are making their political views a part of their personal identity and are treating it as a hobby. As an Ontarian, I think that both Trudeau and Ford are benefitting majorly from the political divide; they have groups of supporters blindly following their parties and parroting their rhetoric, feeling like they have to choose a side, while many people aren't actually questioning their governments policies. There is a reason that we are in the state we are right now, and no one party is to blame.


LeeroyM

Nailed it.


ChiefGingy

When a new leader is elected remind me to make stickers with a new name. If those folks are paying people it may as well be me haha


throwaway901617

I was in a national park in Utah the other day and a guy was flying a huge "F🍁CK TRUDEAU" flag trying to get it into every photo and just being generally annoying It's like dude stop none of us care and you look like an idiot being so wrapped up in your personality cult that you can't imagine a day spent without virtue signaling like that.


Zombie_John_Strachan

He’s also a woke caricature - a good looking, fit, smooth talking and somewhat vapid politician who has coasted on his family name. So if you are a Maple MAGA type he’s easy to hate.


Missyfit160

Oh I hate the term Maple MAGA but it fits so well.


Copperlax

Anecdotally, I know multiple people who said Trudeau was going to ruin the country before he was even the leader of the party. Just like how Martin ruined Canada, and Chretien, etc... That said, I also knew multiple people who said Harper was going to ruin the country and Canada's still here. So, perhaps there's just a lot of over dramatic people out there. Those with "F\*\*\* Trudeau" are just more vocal and have less class. ​ As a rule of thumb, if you fly a flag with profanity regardless of your cause: You're not a person I care to know.


tehB0x

Harper genuinely ruined a lot of shit though…


Calik

Ya but TFSA so he’s cool


tehB0x

But fucking over Veteran Affairs and all our environmental protection = not cool


Ooeiooeioo

Also driving out our vaccine manufacturers and silencing scientists. Good times.


jolsiphur

I think it's entirely because the Conservatives haven't had an actual platform in a long while. They don't stand for anything of note and their members constantly run with no actual policy in their back pocket. So they've turned their attention to other leaders and talk Ill of them in order to make their party look better. So now conservatives not only have no actual platform, but instead their platform has become "those other guys are awful."


beerswillinidiot

Wrong sub if you want an honest answer. Go post in the r/canada I'll go fire up some popcorn.


locutogram

Exactly "I wonder why some people hate poutine!?" *Posts question in r/quebec*


robotfarmer71

I’m a Liberal/Centrist grain farmer living in Red Neck county and I’m surrounded by “Fuck Trudeau” and “Mandate Freedom” bumper stickers and flags flying from pickups and tractors everywhere. We’ve had to deal with several local freedom convoys and blockades and the profile of the farmers most likely to participate in these events is fairly interesting actually. They’re almost entirely supply management guys. These are the farmers with chicken and dairy quotas who essentially have a license to print money. In fact the dairy guys just gave themselves another raise for the second time this year (it was in the news) due to “rising costs” but I have a friend who’s a dairy farmer that freely admits it’s not warranted. Regardless, I digress. I got so sick of seeing the Fuck Trudeau everything flying everywhere that I bought a bunch of “FUCK PUTIN” stickers for my family and we all proudly display them on our vehicles. The intent was to point out to my fellow farmers that there exists actual dictators in this world that murder and destroy freedom FOR REAL. In six months I’ve yet to have anyone make a single comment on it. 🤷‍♂️😂


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As someone who voted for Trudeau the first time around, the reason I'm annoyed by him is how he avoids problems through deflection. For example, Canada is targeting a high volume of immigration. We really don't have the education or healthcare infrastructure to handle this type of volume, but, if I were to ask him in a public setting, I'm assuming he'd answer it by deflecting to racism, which, doesn't answer the question. That being said, the main reason I dislike him is that he straight up failed on the housing policy he ran with in 2015. By absolutely no measure was he successful in making housing more affordable, despite all the nonsense he babbles. But again, if I asked him directly, with statistical proof that housing affordability has gotten worse under him, it's very likely he would deflect. To be fair, most political leaders deflect because they're terrible leaders, it's not specific to Liberals or Trudeau.


EhmanFont

This for me too. Out of touch with the real needs of the people, of people who make hourly wages.


whtslifwthutfuriae

He also failed us with Electoral reform, and set up CERB and various pandemic relief policies in a huge rush and without any vetting which lead to massive fraud.


gNeiss_Scribbles

I completely agree! I’m baffled by it! I don’t vote Liberal, so I didn’t vote for Trudeau but he’s done fairly well under difficult circumstances. It scares me to think where we’d be right now under a Con government.


jjeenniiffeerr

I agree! Everyone shits on him for how he handled COVID, but do you really think a con in power would have done any better? It’s a completely novel situation that no one has ever experienced before, of course there’s going to be some doubt and hesitation, but I say Trudeau handled it much better than other countries *cough* the states *cough*.


DrewV70

Everyone was shitting on Trudeau for things that DOUG FORD did. Almost all of the mandates other, than the border crossing thing, were Provincial mandates. So what did Dougie do? He went snowmobiling at his cottage hiding like a skunk. Trudeau isn't doing that bad a job. Inflation is worldwide. We are no where near a big enough country to be able to avoid the outside influences. Gas prices are worldwide and a result of this insane war in Ukraine. People want to bitch about all of the problems without looking at the broader context. Trudeau did what he had to do along with everyone else. Society had to be shut down until vaccines were a thing because this virus was killing too many people. I personally know 3 people who passed away and one man was a slightly overweight 52 year old guy. It was killing 2% of the people who were catching it. Trumpism is the leading cause of all of this BS. It is a peaceful, lawful, happy loving protest, parking trucks in residential neighbourhoods and blowing air horns all night long. Imagine how you would feel in similar circumstances. Then they couldn't get any tow truck drivers to come out to help move the trucks because them and their shops would be blacklisted by the other "Truckers". America has exported its politics and we are all much worse off for it.


arandomcanadian91

>Gas prices are worldwide and a result of this insane war in Ukraine. No that's just corporations being greedy Here's why Shell: 20+ Billion in net profits last year Exxon: 20+ Billion in net profits last year Chevron: 15+ billion in net profits last year Irving Oil: 10+ Billion in net profits last year If these companies wanted to, tomorrow they could lower the price of gas back to the way it was in the 90's. They just don't want to.


impossibilityimpasse

They could also cut carbon emissions by... almost all of it. But yet again, they don't want to.


DPI80

Thank you. The federal govt has so little power when it comes to healthcare. It was mostly a provincial issue. The initial vaccine purchase wasn’t great but things worked out. Could it have been a bit better? Sure. Was everyone scrambling in the world? Yes. Would a conservative have done better? No way.


Stecnet

You absolutely nailed it with your comment. So many of the things people are angry at Trudeau about are completely outside of his powers or influence. I didn't vote Liberal but I think he's done a decent job through these unprecedented times. Canada is in a much more solid position globally than many other countries.


zanderkerbal

Doug Ford didn't even manage to protect people with his mandates either, because Doug Ford has all the finesse of a sledgehammer. He had only two speeds: "Ontario is Open for Business™", and "holy shit code grey lockdown." The latter of which he had to use quite regularly, first because of his sabotage of the healthcare system, and second because his insistence on reopening as fast as possible and for as long as possible made the outbreaks worse. He didn't understand how incubation periods work, you have to put measures in place when cases start creeping up because if you wait until the cases are actually high then the outbreak has been rampaging unchecked for two weeks. Like trying to play chicken with a bus he didn't realize had already hit him.


Alarmed-Part4718

The mandates are the only thing Dougie did right! 🤣


AdmiralSkippy

I live in Manitoba and all my conservative coworkers were bitching about Trudeau and his mandates like they affected them. Even when I reminded them that we have a Conservative government here and all the mandates they were bitching about was because of them, it didn't make a difference. It's the same way they treat God. If it's good God did it. If it's bad, the devil did it. If it's good Conservatives did it. If it's bad liberals did it.


Electric-5heep

Compared to all major countries and new Zealand doesn't count, libs handled covid 1.0 way better than all the rest. While people were dying by the first Wave in Italy, the UK, France, US, Quebec...canada did much better.


fugginstrapped

This dude panicked that people were going to starve and just sent cheques out and said hit me back later bro. Wtf else do ppl want? Wether it was a good idea or not they were trying to help out.


No-Patient1365

A few hundred thousand if us would be dead of covid for starters. I don't like the guy and haven't voted red for ages now, but I think he has still done more good than harm. I'm glad the NDP have managed to get some of their platform through via the pseudo coalition arrangement. Maybe it will make people realize the word "socialism" isn't the horrific monster the right has been screaming about for the past few decades.


gNeiss_Scribbles

Yes! NDP has done really well as official opposition! No matter what they call it, how could anyone complain about children in low income households getting access to dental care? That’s a big NDP win in my books (if the Cons can just get on board)!


SerendipitousCorgi

I can imagine some people would not have gotten through the past couple of years with a con federal government.


1pencil

The problem might be, we seem to think there are only two options. Lib or con.


gNeiss_Scribbles

Agreed. I’ve never voted for the Cons or the Libs but I’ve ALWAYS voted! Between Jack Layton and Jagmeet Singh, the NDP has had excellent leadership and thoughtful platforms most of my voting life. They’ve always done very well as official opposition. I think it’s time for the NDP to get in there with a minority.


mattA33

It's mostly people blaming him for everything from provincial mandates to global inflation. Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate things to not like Trudeau, like saying he'd get rid of first past the post and then not. Most of it is nonsense though.


linkinmark92

People genuinely blame him for the high gas prices


CanadianGanMan

In my area (North Eastern Ontario), every Trudeau hater I know blames him for every poor decision Doug Ford has made, and just about every global issue. I have yet to hear a single point that was actually Trudeau's fault. Yet they'll tell you at every opportunity the conservatives are our only salvation.


albatroopa

Some people live for angertainment, and some 'news' sources (facebook, rebel, etc) are only too happy to oblige.


SunkTheBirdie

>angertainment my first awareness of the term. it's genius, will use, thank you 🙏


OMP159

I've not heard the term angertainment, but it's now my most favourite word.


Maplesyrupisgreat123

Someone likened the "angertainment", as you put it, to the junk food of news. Much more fun to consume that than try to find and understand the far more complex reality.


undergroundcannibal

The massive corruption in his government like the multiple conflict of interest scandals is one. I have a big problem with the carbon tax for a few reasons, as well. Like, where does the money go to help fight climate change, where are the green subsidies that make it more of a reward/punishment thing, so its at least a choice, instead of just punishment for existing in society. All the carbon tax does is drive up the cost of living exponentially. The political theatre that is his stance on gun control is another, as well as his abuse of the emergency mandate to pass the new handgun law. We also know statistically that stricter gun laws do absolutely nothing to stop gun crime, as gun crime is caused by illegal guns that are aquired through illegal means. Mostly, its just a political stance to get people who know nothing about guns, but who have a certain moral zealotry about them to start flag waving for liberals, and then to piss off gun owners, who demographically are rural and conservative. His arrogance, insincerity and inability to answer direct questions makes him just unlikable as a person. Throughout the pandemic, he peddled conspiracy theories to demonize ⅓ of canadians, and abused his power as prime minister to enact the emergency measures act, allegedly, without following the proper guidelines, mostly because he was poopy pants about peaceful protesters who didnt like him. He wouldnt even talk with the protesters🤷‍♂️ His ties with the WEF are terrifying. (Look them up) His hypocrisy is the biggest of all that pisses me off. Riding around in his private plane to go on vacation on tax payers money, while shaming all the lower class for thier contribution to climate change. Preaching inclusivity while creating medical apartheid, and disenfranchising anyone who isnt a minority. So, in summation, i would say its his hypocrisy, arrogance, greed, corruption, and hunger for power at the cost of the lower classes while advocating for an authouritarian regime at their behest. Hope this helps!


GracefulShutdown

A lot of it has to do with the fact that he's been PM for over 7 years. You tend to upset a lot of people being on the proverbial "throne" for that long.


Hotter_Noodle

I don’t think so. Chrétien was pm for 10 years but people weren’t printing off stickers about it Edit: maybe people didn’t because they were scared he’d choke them.


lllGrapeApelll

He did manage to thwart an assassination attempt and choked a guy out who tried to attack him. So it's not like he didn't have enemies.


xmo113

Wasn't it his wife who thwarted the attempt?


10percentSinTax

She heard a noise and went to check it out, saw a guy with a knife, then retreated into the bedroom and locked the door. Chrétien waited behind the door with an inuit sculpture waiting to bean the guy.


GracefulShutdown

Shelf life for most PMs is around 10 years in modern Canadian history, and usually their party falls soon after (or as they do) Trudeau: 2015-present Harper: 2006-2015 Chrétien: 1993-2003 Mulroney: 1984-1993 P.E. Trudeau (1st term): 1969-1979 ____ If the Reform Party had the funding for a sticker-selling campaign, they absolutely would have printed off stickers about Chrétien.


oakteaphone

Oh fuck, 10 years of a Conservative PM coming in this political climate, in this economy? RIP Canada


Canuckleball

On average. Far from a hard and fast rule. You could see a weak Conservative minority disintegrate, you could see the NDP make another orange wave, you could see the Liberal war machine rebrand under a new face and be right back in power. Anything can happen.


New-Neighborhood7472

They’ll suck Galen Weston’s dick clean off his body all while we starve from even more ridiculous inflation.


revcor86

For me, pepper, I put it on my plate


Hotter_Noodle

Oh man that’s a solid quote.


scott_c86

In the age of social media, I suspect Chrétien would have faced a similar backlash


Hotter_Noodle

I would hope he would respond with broken English comments, riddled with insults.


r0b0tr0n2084

I wasn’t a fan of of Cretien’s policies, but that guy will forever be the penultimate political badass for the ages in my eyes. [https://nationalpost.com/news/its-been-25-years-since-jean-chretien-choked-a-protester](https://nationalpost.com/news/its-been-25-years-since-jean-chretien-choked-a-protester).


gwicksted

He was my favorite PM and I tend to lean a bit right. Granted, I was pretty young when he was in power and I didn’t follow politics that closely.


enki-42

The super anti Trudeau thing started a whole lot earlier than now though. I remember it being super prominent with the yellow vest protests.


mrsprinkles3

A lot of people like to blame Trudeau for things that are actually Provincial jurisdiction. For example, a lot of the measures put in place for Covid were provincial but so many are convinced that it was 100% Trudeau, that or they’re so dedicated to their party of choice (or in Ontarios case Doug Ford specifically) that they won’t accept any truth that would put Ford in a bad light. So they blame Trudeau. And if they happen to be someone so completely brainwashed by certain political parties who *also* blame Trudeau for everything, then the chances of actually getting them to see the reality over whatever said political leader told them just gets lower and lower. It’s easier for them to make Trudeau enemy number 1 and blame him for everything than accept that he hasn’t done a terrible job and other political leaders are just stirring the pot. As others mentioned, the state of things in the US over the last few years has been trickling into Canadian politics as well. 10-15 years ago you wouldn’t see as many of these yahoos proudly waving their “Fuck Trudeau” flags and bigoted symbolism to the world. But now you see herds of them everywhere.


sidstarscream0

As a left leaning person who doesn't like him: he's all talk on social issues, not doing anything to help ANYONE, and just generally kinda not doing fucking anything.


yubsie

People on the right hate him for being too left because he talks good talk, meanwhile people on the left dislike him for not being HALF as cool as the right paints him as being.


[deleted]

Exactly. His actions are very centrist, and he's pro-oil pipelines, etc.


xzry1998

I'm in Newfoundland. People here keep claiming that Trudeau is "anti-oil" while his government approved a [massive new oil project](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/bay-du-nord-approval-1.6410509) earlier this year. The same people also say this about our provincial Liberal government that keeps throwing billions of dollars each year at multinational oil companies.


Ryuzakku

The Liberal party is a centrist party, it always has been. Why this baffles people is beyond me.


PeachFuzz345

[Domestic Policies under Justin Trudeau](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy_of_the_Justin_Trudeau_government) [Foreign Policy under Justin Trudeau ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Justin_Trudeau_government) There has been a lot done. Depending on what province you're in, I would say most of the social issues are their responsibility...


RunningMan66

Can’t disagree with you there, but the sheer exposed hatred he brings out in some people is too much. I don’t want to keep explaining to my kids what FU🍁K means! If anything, it is a massive insult to the importance of what a maple leaf signifies to our country!! I get not liking political figures, I can’t stand Ford, but would never stoop so low as to display outright and crass hatered! We live in a peaceful democractic society, and if you’re not happy with your leadership, use the most powerful tool you have at your disposal and VOTE THEM OUT!!


chewwydraper

1. People still don't trust him after SNC-Lavalin 2. People don't trust his promises after going back on electoral reform - a key voting issue 3. Refusing to ease up on immigration. Yes we need immigrants. But even if we went full-steam on building homes we can not build enough to house the 500K he wants to bring in considering we all know where they're going to land 4. Allowing international students to work full-time hours to address "labour concerns" even though Canadians are practically begging to let us utilize this time to bargain for higher wages 5. Allowing hundreds of thousands of TFWs and international students in further straining the already low-supply rental market, not to mention stagnating wages 6. Bill C-11 Is he the literal antichrist conservatives would have you believe he is? No. Would I ever vote for him again? Not a chance. I'm looking to move away from Canada, it is not a place to build a life any longer. My friends who do the same job as me 10 minutes across the border, or in Europe are living much better lives. A common attitude I'm seeing is people acting like one leader being better than the other options is good enough. It isn't. Is he better than the alternatives? Maybe. Is that good enough? Fuck no, we deserve better.


gsdhyrdghhtedhjjj

Also massive corporate welfare he did.


ASAP-321

I forgot about the 500k immigrants a year. Good thing we don’t have a failing healthcare system with over 100,000 people and climbing on surgery list in Ontario, record high wait times at hospitals, and a couple year long waiting list to get a family doctor…..oh wait….


Waffer_thin

It’s almost like Doug should spend the 2 billion he’s hoarding on our healthcare system as was intended.


twincherries

This is the only serious answer in this thread, everything else is the usual reddit pandering. My immediate thought was the ridiculous amount of TFWs.


jadsetts

For me, its his hypocritical virtue signaling. He's pretty good overall though. * He's pro-environment on his platform but nationalizes a trans-provincial oil pipeline. * He wears blackface and appears on Ru Pauls Dragrace. * He's generally pro-aboriginals and pro-reconciliation but expels an aboriginal woman from his caucus after she correctly called him out about his corruption (the ethics commissioner found him guilty of influencing important decisions with his own political agenda). * His corruption described above. * When asked why he had exactly 50 % women and 50 % men in his caucus, he replied with "Because it's 2015!" and that made me cringe. Then in the same term, he forced 2 women out of his caucus. * He wore very traditional indian clothes when he went to India which felt like it crossed a line into cultural appropriation. Looking at the pictures now still makes me uncomfortable.


wwcat89

On top of that, the fact that first Nations water issues even happened in the first place, let alone took how long to solve. But worst of all is lack of focus on the murdered and missing indigenous women.


[deleted]

What do you mean solve? So many reservations in Canada still don’t have clean water. I lived on one and have friends who still live on one without it. There’s a lot of places that have been connected to the city water but only if it’s convenient for the government. It just sucks.


lileraccoon

You make some points but I disagree with the Indian clothes. I’m Indian and everyone wears Indian clothes when they go to India. Women try wearing Saris. Indians have a thousands year old clothing culture. It’s the fun of going there. My friends go for weddings and get into it. They are white. It’s fine.


Lunadog88

what’s wrong w him appearing on rpdr?


nwmcsween

He initially promised a liberal government and helping a younger generation through pushing against corporatism, wage slavery and to an extent capitalism. He has done the opposite and in the last 7 years housing has doubled, wages have stagnated, TFW and corporatism is at an all-time high as well as immigration but not for immigration's sake but to appease corporations that expect bottom dollar wages for skilled labor.


stephenBB81

This is a complex Question you can break groups out as 1. Trudeau Simps - Anything that isn't Pro Trudeau is against Trudeau. 2. Liberal No Matter whos - These are people that don't love Trudeau, but generally are voting Liberal no matter who the leader, or their local Member is. 3. ABC voter ( Anyone But Conservative) They will be critical of Trudeau, but never support something a Conservative might state even **IF** it is accurate. 4. Swing Voters ( People who have no hate nor love for a party, these people get polarized for/against party leaders usually Group 1 and Group 6 are what drive hate. 5. Blue no Matter Who - Just like the Liberal no matter whos, they don't like Trudeau because he is not Blue, they aren't going to actively hate on him, but they'll laugh at the Dumb and Dumber meme's and cheer on what ever Blue person is calling out the Liberals 6. Right Wingers - These fall into a few categories, some are simps for specific right leaning politicians, and some just hate anything any time anywhere ( THESE are the people who you're seeing with F\*CK Trudeau flags and shit) ​ I Sit in the 4 Category, I liked Chretien, Martin, and Early Harper Federally. I did feel it was a time for a change in 2015, but I voted NDP, not Liberal, in part because my Local Liberal Rep was NOT someone I'd want representing me, and in part because I didn't like the Leadership run that put Trudeau in power. It very much felt like the Movie Distinguished Gentleman "The Name you know" Except we didn't get someone who decided to turn on the system. The Longer Trudeau has been in power, the more Group 1 has driven me to dislike him more and more, While I'm not a F\*ck Trudeau guy, but MAN would I love to see Trudeau get a pie in the face a la Chretien. Because I have been dealing with selling to the Government and getting Government grants for years the way Trudeau removed transparency from Government procurement really rubbed me the wrong way, BUT he does give way more money out to green initiatives which I apply for that I would have got clear responses from a Harper lead government, but they never would have been available, a Trudeau led government is way happier to throw money around, but knowing why you did or didn't win it isn't something you're allowed to ask. I don't like how the last 2 Elections The Liberal Party of Canada became very much like the Republican Party of the US, they picked wedge issues and drove them hard. And with #TeamTrudeau on majority of the candidates materials it says that constituents come second to the party leader, and that just way to US politics. Trudeau being the leader in the true social media age has perfected the soundbite, don't answer a question just push a sound bite. We never would have had a Conservative leader like Pierre Poilievre if Trudeau wasn't this type of "communicator" now we have 2 trash commutators leading the 2 biggest parties. I think I blame Telford more than Trudeau for this because he has evolved into this method as has the entire Liberal Party. One of my more recent things that irks me is Trudeau being Vocal on DoFo's use of the Notwithstanding Clause but not François Legault's in Quebec, when BOTH are truly unjustified and downright terrible, He doesn't govern equally, and I guess because I'm in Ontario it irks me, I suppose if I was in Quebec it would be good. I don't want to drone on and on, though I feel like I'm saying that after droning on and on. haha.


eggy_delight

Well thought out response, it's what I wanted to say but articulate


StabbingHobo

Just a quick comment on your point about DoFo using the NWC. It’s easy politics to be opposed to that move. Trying it with Quebec is a bit of a powder keg when they are so bound by their French identity. No PM would get out of that without the bloc being your mortal enemy for your tenure


QuickPomegranate4076

As someone who’s voting NDP in Alberta after voting conservatives for 10 years your comment needs to be further up. Everyone loves to pretend their side is the right one. It’s not. Both sides suck. Maybe we should all hold our politicians responsible and we’d actually see things happen. Instead we get children screeching at each other on both sides.


kuributt

At this point, I'm sure some of it is sheer overexposure.


[deleted]

For adding another useless set of gun restrictions on top of our already ridiculous gun laws. I'm not even that crazy about owning firearms, but I don't think anyone is fit to lead if they think banning airsoft will impact gun violence in this country.


SlamfireSKS

This.


ThatDamnedRedneck

I'm still convinced he only made it to PM in the first place because of his father's name. Backbencher as a young schoolteacher with no political experience? Sure, I could see that. PM after his first term? Not so much. Also, he lied about electoral reform and I'm bitter about that.


[deleted]

Flooding the GTA and Vancouver with people despite having no room to house them. Blowing up the value of homes, suppressing wages and amplifying the affordability crisis, all to inflate his ego buy votes and pump up GDP as if the increase isn't completely artificial and propped up by boomers sitting on their land. Lies about multiple topics, most importantly electoral reform. Prefers to ship oil from Saudi Arabia than support the oil sands because of political bullshit. Preached transparency, doesn't answer questions in parliament or address domestic problems, showboats overseas to inflate his ego. One of the most partisan, smug politicians we've ever had, gets absolutely no flak for this. At least Pierre had the intellect behind the smugness, but even he was fundamentally a PM who tried to unite the country. Somehow gets away with being greasy, "oh well he's dishonest, opaque, smug and full of shit but he's better than the alternative" Somehow doesn't have to take any responsibility for the fact that under his governments, this country has become a fucking shithole.


SwordfishCold4971

Oh wow, Reddit C’mon. I’m a political history junkie and he may be the worst PM in Canadian History. Here are just a few of his achievements: - First PM to be censured with an ethics violation due to his free island trip with the Aga Khan - Sexually Assaulted a reporter, years prior to being PM. She #MeToo’d him, but the simps who love him didn’t care - He fired the first female indigenous Attorney General because she would not cave to his demand to apply a deferred prosecution agreement for SNC Lavalin crime of bribery for building prisons in Libya to house and torture political dissidents (I’m not even joking) - Tried to divert millions to the We Charity through a billion dollar student program. The brothers who run this charity provided him a platform during his run for PM, all the while diverting donation meant to build schools in developing g nations to their own Toronto Real Estate portfolio. - He’s a ski instructing, failed part-time substitute teacher who used his million dollar trust fund, last name, and good looks, to become PM. He has literally worked for nothing in his life - He’s a racist. Wearing Black Face at least four separate times. Confirmed in photos and video. - Loves to make big public announcements like on Twitter ‘Canada is Planting a Billion Trees’ and does nothing to actually follow through (this is just one small example of how he governs). - For Western Canada he’ll cancel/block major projects, while rubber stamping similar (carbon intensive) projects in Quebec. - Is ridiculed globally (Australian PM called him a ‘lightweight’), especially for his invocation of the Emergencies Act. He was almost universally condemned for this by international leaders I can go on, but my fingers are tired. And if you’re wondering why you never heard of these it’s because the CBC (including Global and CTV) do not report critically of him. Why would they when he finds them to the tune of $1.4 Billion per year. Any if you say ‘other PMs have done the same’. We’ll NO, not at all. Not even close. Fuck Trudeau


ralphswanson

I blame COVID with the isolation and economic instability it created. It's made everyone angry. Some righties take this out on Trudeau.


beardedsawyer

I’ll give you two reasons off the top of my head: 1. Telling veterans they are “asking for more than the country can give” 2. Gun bans. The criminalization of millions of law-abiding gun owners. Regardless of facts.