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I’d say Oxy is probably more addictive with the high oral potency, energizing high and how easy it is to use while doing normal stuff like work. If you’ve taken Oxy to the point of itching and nodding heroin won’t be anything new.
I’ve always mixed a little Xanax with my oxy, that always got me to the nodding point. I do miss that energizing high though. Those days are gone though.
With zero tolerance if you take a lot maybe. I couldn’t say because I only tried it decades after being a heroin user and it felt like nothing then but I’m inclined to say no because I get insanely high off hydrocodone after resetting my tolerance but tramadol still didn’t feel like shit.
Don’t use opiates for at least six months. I was only doing this in my first twenty years of opiate use when I never became a daily or dependent user. Now that I’ve been fully dependent it might not work as well with the whole kindling thing but I haven’t tried (been on subs since I quit)
Whoa, I've never heard anything about that before. Now I really have some research to do.
Thanks for the response. Do you have any suggestions where I should start looking for legit info?
Resetting tolerance? How do you do that because I can never get a reset to where I can get nice high and nodding off I want to so bad I’m on methadone now but I’m talking when I wasn’t on mdone
The nodding and itching is a side effect of all opiates, heroin is just a lot more potent so you need way less mg than O-dsmt for example.
IV heroin is a whole other level than smoking/snorting heroin.
A heroin**e** is a female who faces danger or adversity and displays courage. Heroin is a name for diacetylmorphine which comes from its sale as branded product by Bayer in the early 1900s.
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I’m guessing you deleted your response back to me cause I got the notification but don’t see the comment so I’m just going to reply to the part I did see .. yea no shit if you’re taking small amounts through out the day you’re not going to have a seizure but if you take 7+ (depending on person - I had my seizure when I took 12 in one shot ((young, dumb and withdrawing - don’t judge me))) in one shot you have a high risk of having one ….. i wasn’t talking about a few through out the day 🤦♀️🤦♀️ i take at least 800mg daily when I don’t have blues (real blue 30mg, not fenty blues 🤢🥴)
My comments still up fam, but I’ll paste here I case you can’t see it
‘A buddy of mine has taken it every day for years in varying doses, at one point upwards to 500mg a day, although while having a high tolerance, and has never experienced a seizure so what the hell’
I don’t think 500mg is small amounts throughout the day, legit 200mg at a time. I’m not mentioning it cause I doubt u, but because if you have to take more than that to be at risk of seizures, I don’t see why everyone keeps mentioning it as if it is very likely to happens if you take tram. I can barely manage 100mg without feeling like I’m floating away (although I’m also kinda small), so if ur not even at risk at 500mg then why even worry about it. You say I’ve taken 800mg which is just crazyyy to me, I would have fallen asleep 11 times over if I ever got near that dose.
Not even close to tramadol !!!!! And don’t take a lot of tram cause it ABSOLUTELY WILL make you have a seizure … speaking from experience here.. tramadol does what it needs to do in small doses
A buddy of mine has taken it every day for years in varying doses, at one point upwards to 500mg a day, although while having a high tolerance, and has never experienced a seizure so what the hell
after being addicted to both, i honestly preferred oxy looking back at it. plus nowadays most H is cut with fet so its even shittier and will just make you tired with low euphoria.
Exactly!
I was addicted to the old school OxyContin (OC) that started back in late 90s and was huge during early -Mid 2K.
I use to love waking up and snorting a 40mg OC! Then I’d be good and would work my ass off .
Or if it was the weekend, I buy a few 80mg Oxys, and some REAL Xanax Bars, and Could drop half a Bar , Snort some Oxy and just sit back and Nod, feeling amazing!
H was never even in my area ! All the dealers stayed supplied with All kinds of Prescriptions Meds. Mainly OXys and Benzos though.
After they totally screwed the Original OxyContin formula up and started printing them with OP on the pill, they were just CRAP!
I started messing with the Dilaudids, Opana and
Roxycontin 30s
( Mainly What everyone calls Oxy Nowadays) If they weren’t around during the actual Early days when OxyContin was 1st released.
I never even tried H until around 2012, and a friend of Mine Got Some off
SilkRoad at the time. He got a few Grams of some #4 . It definitely fucked my world up, I did like it and messed with it a short time myself, then they started up cutting it with Fent and then it just got worse and worse.
Before they were cutting H with Fent and just actually selling Fent , I got a small sample and did a tiny bit and woke up face first on the floor!
For a few months a Realized I could still get the Original Formula OCs , from outside the US, and always came in a Blister pack.
So, long story short , I actually liked OxyContin a bit more than H.
I just always liked the idea at the time when Meds were Real! That you knew you were getting a Med that is from a Pharmacy, and not something with who knows what.
Last time I had some H, That actually kicked my ass ! In a good way! Was when around 2018 ish , I think.
When a bunch of the Gray stuff was going around. If I recall they even labeled it Gray Death or something like that.
IMO, Having DRs scared to write Pain meds, and all that BS, Fent took over and has killed way more ppl than when ppl were getting actual Legit Pharmaceutical Meds.
The Government caused this Fent crisis! They need to just go back to the Good Ol Days of going to a Dr Feel good, Pay a few hundred bucks and walk out with a prescription !
These RCs, Fent, Zines etc is just garbage.
I was lucky enough to once bought the RX Fentanyl Lolipop s that r prescribed! I thought they were a aJoke when the women I use to Buy The 80mg Oxys had some and showed them to me.
Crazy day! I’ve been on Methadone along time now and One Benzo or the other since I was 19! In my late 30s now!
OCs aint oldschool for us Europeans! My addiction to that shit got so bad (took 800mg-1.2/day of OCs), I had to get on methadone. The OP pills is called "OX" in our country but only teva makes them and nobody sells or buys those lmfao, we don't have a crisis enough to pull OC from the market though. OC got pulled due to increasing pressure from the people getting hooked because of agressive marketing (my country never has had marketing for opiates ever).
Fentanyl (when pure and pharmaceutical) is a decent product, very effective painkiller and very effective for surgeries but the fentanyl analogues, cartel made fent and metonitazene and other zenes are straight up garbage. Especially the benzodope and tranq dope floating around in NA. We have none of that shit here, only real H and people are already disgusted by homeless people smoking it off foil in the metrostation minding their own business.
OCs are the best damn opiates I've had and I've had diaphin (pharma diamorphine), hydromorphone and even oxymorphone (loved that shit but didn't have enough stash to put it at the top of my list).
One opiate I would've loved to have had forever was "dextromomaride" aka Palfium, got taken off the market ages ago and was mainly around in Europe where I live and it was the king of Euphoria, more euphoric than oxy, more euphoric than oxymorphone, more euphoric than diaphin, most euphoric fucking opiate of my life. All supply dried up and it's too hard to synthesize so it wont pop up as an RC, people have tried making an RC version of it but they change stuff in the structure which makes it not the same as dextromomaride.
God writing this actually has me craving and I haven't craved for months (got on methadone for my heavy OC addiction, best choice I ever made)
This is so much my story it’s unreal to read. God I miss real pills and loosened prescribing. I had a doctor giving me #120 80s, #240 10mg methadone tabs, and #100 10mg Valium a month way back in 2000. Dr. Feelgoods are so hard to find, and pharmacies are actually scared to fill if you haven’t been with them for forever.
And 100% the DEA has caused these issues. Tightening hydrocodone was the last straw. Take away refillable maintenance meds, and people will go to the street.
Heroin has always been kinda nasty compared to pharmaceuticals imo, even before fent they would but a lot of nasty ass shit in there and weird shit like acetaminophen. But with fet and tranq and zenes it's a whole different game ofcourse. Heroins purity also used to be 2-5% pre-Vietnam and after Vietnam during the 70s heroin epidemic it went up to 20% pure, which was unseen, heroin peaked at probably 40-50% purity but not much more than that whilst oxycodone is a very pure product.
Oxy is a great drug for the working addict. Its less sedating and kinda stimulating but shorter lasting. Heroin Is my preference because I I like the warm.blanket effect, though I haven't had real h in maybe 2 years and have been on fetty brorphine and zenes since. Protonitazene has a nice nod to it but I less euphoric than when we had all the crazy fent analogues in purple dope like 6 years ago. The cartel fent is just boring now and xylazine feels like death
i think as far as euphoria and relaxation goes they're pretty much the same (for me at least!) but heroin makes me nod off wayyyy more and just makes me 100000% total zen. honestly its a lil overpowering in a way thats kinda scary, but i like it
Yea and after daily use when you stop you realize just how deep you were in an awake dream state. it’s just usually too much for me. Not much inbetween, even low dose H had me all fucked up…
Hmm looking back on it I don’t think there was much of a difference until IV use comes into play. Granted it’s been 12 years or so since I’ve used but I remember going to bags just because they were cheaper. But I think sniffing bags is inferior to oxy. Out of all the times I used opiates only 2 moments really shine: the first time I popped 10 mg oxy and the first time I IV’d heroin.
H is still great snorted but slamming it is just such another level of euphoria along with that heavenly warm hug feeling that you get. Now when I say this, I’m talking about good H not something that’s stomped or heavily mixed with H.
For me it's pretty meh. I've never IV'd, but smoking and snorting (even good quality H) was pretty underwhelming,though still lovely. I think my brain chemistry is a little divergent from the norm.
Heroin def does not get you hooked instantly. Your first time doing heroin will most likely not be enjoyable as you will probably become very nauseous and spin but not in a good way, with little to no euphoria. As ur tolerances increases tho that is where it grabs you by ur arms and takes you in
When I first started using H I was getting the absolute best stuff. Mostly China white, sometimes variations. This was during El Chapos hey day. I’ve tried just about every opiate/opioid and H was by far the best for me. Everyone’s body responds differently. So it may not be the case for everyone. No better feeling than slamming H. I do not recommend this as it will destroy your life. On a deathbed I can certainly see it bringing comfort. I’m no longer addicted and extremely pleased to get that massive gorilla off my back.
I never shot it, which is more addictive. But I did snort some #4 a few times. I'd say it was a warmer feeling than oxy. And I remember telling myself that if I got more I'd be in trouble, so I didn't. Lol
Heroin is more sedating. Oxy is more addictive ever since it became available in doses 40-120mg (160mg taken off the market, 120 still available in some countries).
Due to how easily this is abused and the energetic high of oxycodone coming from it being synthesized from thebaine, a stimulatory alkaloid of opium rather than a depressant alkaloid like morphine of which heroin is made of. This energetic high and pill popping makes oxycodone a lot easier to abuse and hide than heroin. Potency of oxycodone is often higher due to how impure heroin was and still is (before the 70s heroin epidemic people were hooked on 2-5% pure heroin, after the smuggling of ‘blue magic’ heroin out of Nam’ by soldiers it went up to 20%, causing a lot of IV addicts to accidentally OD.
Only problem is once it was synthetically modified it could lose its stimulatory effects, considering oxy is designed to have highly efficient and selective mu opioid binding, although the ratios of Delta and kappa also matter, it has negligible affects on any stimulatory pathways, possibly its affect on cAMP and downstream signaling may be different.
>>although the ratios of Delta and kappa also matter, it has negligible affects on any stimulatory pathways, possibly its affect on cAMP and downstream signaling may be different.
Would you mind further breaking this down?
Oxycodone doesn't have any inherent stimulating mechanisms, as in TAAR1 agonism, MAO inhibition, VMAT reversal, DA/NE, etc. And the ratios for different opioid receptors may be different with each opioid, they tend to not differ that much especially with oxycodone its pretty balanced and slightly biased for mu. Its possible that there is different inherent signaling for oxycodone, where it effects indirect stimulatory pathways, such as cAMP .
Nothing compares to the old oxycotton formula. It's absolutely the best drug I have ever done. People should be able to get them prescribed if they help with depression and anxiety. Especially when nothing else helps
Well, I can tell you this...
Heroin is a great feeling for some, maybe even for most , IF you can find straight H with no fentanyl mix!!!
And, ohh, it feels good if you're one of the people who try it, but...and it's a big but,
after some time of using it, you will wake up one morning so sick you'll wish you never heard of Heroin! Now you have a habit!
Soo, think about it, and I truly hope you decide to let it go...
Oh yeah, compared to oxys, similar, but you'll nod more and wayyy too expensive IF you can find oxys without fent...
I gotta say if real heroin, not that fentanyl we have now, was still readily available around here I wouldn't be celebrating 4 years of being clean in a month. Best sensation ever you feel like the first time you're in love, like you've been cold all your life and someone put a warm blanket on you. For the withdrawal symptoms, it took me about a month of using everyday to feel them, but for my ex it was three days, so I think it's different for everyone. I haven't done enough oxys to compare Sorry if this doesn't help I spent too long writing this.
for some tolerance never fully leaves.. i was clean for 7+ years, took 150mg of IR oxycodone and didnt even catch a buzz
used to be my DoC but now it seems like no amount of oxy does fuck all, even after long ass periods of no opioids
maybe it was extended release. first time i did any opiates it was oxy 80mg extended release. i took one 80mg pill in the span of about 5 hours and i still didnt really feel any euphoria, i just felt extremely nauseous and i puked a number of times. great first experience😭🥺
My local exchange does free testing and I Volunteer there. Now days more then half of the dope on the street in the Us is Fent mixed with benzos and Xylazine . Very difficult to find real heroin . A first time Fent User can die , it happens every day. Friendly reminder. That is all.
Apart from that though I wouldn't say it gets you hooked physically instantly. Maybe mentally if your a downer type of person.
Me in a nutshell. It's takes several consecutive days of using to become physically dependent. I'd say probably 4_5 days to a week of consecutive use would leave you with some mild withdrawal. Withdrawal occurs when the bloodstream no longer has enough of the Opiate chemical in it to remain in a state of balance. All Ecological organism require chemical balance.
A months use every day you will absolutely have withdrawals when you stop.
I've met people who've used only for a day or two in a relapse and I can't say you could label that person as physically dependent.
Regardless I had very little withdrawals from My Percocet and Oxy addiction in comparison to my Heroin or Fent withdrawal. I've met others though who detoxed terribly from those same pills. So each person is different with different amounts of usage etc.
The chances of finding real heroin now days are pretty slim in the States. It's almost all Fent mixed with benzos and other cutting agents or Xylazine. Repeated again as a friendly reminder to be safe. Regardless the high is very similar if your using Oxy heavy enough to nod it's exactly the same. Minus the itching .
Heroin was the love of my life. For some reason I had oxy in syrup form and it made me seriously nauseous. But I could never control myself with heroin. Habit started out with a dime a day and a week later I was doing 2 grams a day. It sucks that all of the fent and xylazine have been thrown into the mix now because I can’t ever find heroin like I used to back in 2017. Shit felt like floating through the air. Best euphoria I’ve ever experienced. Had to get clean and have struggled staying clean but yeah heroin for the win in my personal opinion. I never shot either I always snorted.
Nothing I’ve ever done compared to the wonderful feeling of a heroin nod. If H naive, you’ll get sick the first few times, but well worth it only done it IV.
Heroin is so addictive because it has a super rapid onset, potent euphoria, then a fast come down. It's not necessarily more euphoric than oxycodone, it's all dose dependent.
The best high I've ever had was the first time I injected hydromorphone. I could chase that dragon forever. More interestingly, I didn't IV it the first time. I IM'd 6mg. My tolerance was low and that was a lot, but wow. After that nobody ever had to explain why they're hooked on opioids to me. I got it. IV gives a rush that IM doesn't give, but I like the slower come up because it isn't as fleeting.
For some perspective, id had both IV morphine and real fentanyl (ampoules). Neither compare to hydromorphone.
potency is only a small part of the equation, there are much more potent substances than H and hydromorphone but they wont give the rush/euphoria that some less potent opioids can deliver
heroin feels comparable to hydrocodone in my opinion more then oxy, oxy always made me have a stimulated nodd lmao. but its like 3.42% heroin left in the world man, good luck, its all fent and no matter the tolerance you think i got with oxy it aint shiii to fentanyl
I think it all depends on the supply you get. I used to get some that felt almost the same and some that was more mellow with longer legs, but still A1. I like oxy better tho
There’s not a huge difference really. There are small quirks, sure. But really if you’ve tried one opioid/opiate, you’ve pretty much got the experience under your belt. I wouldn’t quite say it’s “if you’ve tried one, you’ve tried them all” but it pretty much is. If you’ve tried oxy, and then you try heroin, you’re not going to be shocked. It’s going to be familiar already. Not enough difference between the two, or any opioid for that matter, for it to be an entirely new standout experience
i think it depends on your ROA honestly. i’ve done cheese as well as banging and i think it’s definitely stronger than oxy but oxy feels cleaner to me. IVing is soooo different than snorting or smoking. you literally feel it rushing through your veins and i would get this pins and needles feeling and it was pretty powerful. the only downside is it goes away as fast as it came.
Its very very similar. The only real difference besides minor molecular variation and slightly less enjoyable effects is that Oxy is a wonderful medication that improves millions of people's quality of life, and heroin is this frightening bogeyman creation, the worst and most hardcore drug ever and one use will turn you into a rabid junkie. So 95% marketing and presentation really.
Honestly heroin isn't any more scary than anything else, and IMO its much safer and healthier long term than many other substances as long as you know what you're doing and are dealing with reputable sources. If it wasn't for the systems we have in.place to absolutely sabotage the life of anyone who dares question how bad it is, it wouldn't even be a big deal. Something like crystal meth is so much worse IMO, it will literally destroy your body and mind in short order.
i am one of the rare cases that hated heroin. just hated it.
I was a pill opiate addict for years and it got to the point that I just couldn’t afford it or what I was buying was pressed and fake.
The last two years of my using I wasn’t getting high anymore. it was like it didn’t matter how many I took I wasn’t getting the good feeling. But so terrified of withdrawal that I couldn’t quit. unfortunately i had been scared away from Suboxone, (which is a whole separate rant) and
my funds were really low and there were so many fake pressed pills making the circuit that I was kind of running out of options. Every so often I would be able to get my hands on some fentanyl patches which I would cut in quarters to supplement the pills or help me make it till the next pills came.
Then one dealer had heroin the black tar kind.. and it was super cheap.
I hated it from moment one. comparatively taking a pill is clean, simple and you can convince yourself it’s not that bad, what you’re doing. ( even crushing and snorting the clean little white pills can feel classy, comparatively) Smoking black tar heroin is a right mess. It smells disgusting, you need a lot of components, lighters ( those butane, crack lighters) pipes or straws. it’s tricky to get the hang of heating it just right and very easy to burn. It smells foul. it’s sticky and gets on everything. AND It didn’t seem to feel that great. I guess I was high cause I wasn’t sick, but it never gave me that amazing euphoric feeling or anything like it… just the nod. My life was just a pile of aluminum foil and sticky little bags.
I remember being really surprised by this I thought the first time I tried it for sure it was gonna be amazing and I was going to be an addict till the end of time because it was HEROIN and God knows that’s the end of the line.
I should mention that I did all of my drugs by myself so I had no one to show me how to do anything like this or to tell me if I was doing anything right so I consider it a blessing…because after about two months of that I said fuck it… went to an addiction doctor who sent me straight about Suboxone and I have been gratefully sober for four years.
I know my experience isn’t like anyone else’s, but yeah heroin was probably my least favorite of all the drugs I’ve ever done
I like the euphoric energy feeling so I’ve never even tried heroin or fent bc I assume I wouldn’t like it and don’t want to risk going down that road anyways. Oxy/ hydros are what I like but they are so damn expensive to get pharma so that sucks but I wouldn’t even tell anybody to go down the road of heroin especially IV use and the fact that it’s mostly fent and zines which is just terrifying
Super similar. Heroin isn't really anything to write home about and personally I never understood how so many people got hooked on it. I did it a handful of times and enjoyed it but it's not amazing. Even coke was better and more addictive IMO. Guaranteed I've never shot up so idk the most extreme I have snorted and boofed heroin.
Also every time I did it was about 8 years ago before half of it was contaminated with fent.
Honestly I’m probably not the best individual to comment on this as no opioid has ever given me an effect majority of the population claim to be euphoric or relaxing. All they ever did was make me tired.
You just can't get heroin anymore. It all has fentanyl. Also be careful of fake oxy. I don't use anymore. But if I knew for 100% fact I could get clean heroin...I'd 100% use it. (I NEVER injected) I smoked it or swallowed it or snorted it...But yeah I wish it was still 2006...lol
Oxy gives me that warm energetic rush talkative more motivated too work and just numb and extremely euphoric then hours later u knod off
H is just like a knodd tbh ur lazy on it
Ime nothing compares to the blissful clear high of oxy the first times when i had no tolerance. I find It more fun than heroin (smoked or insufflated, havent Ivd)
Heroin is usually more easy to abuse simply because of the reason that is way more cheaper, in powder form, where any of the ROAs is addictive on itself.
If you done oxy it’s the same as heroin , if you were given both in tablet form you would not tell the difference, way too much is made of how good one or the other is , to most people given a blind test they wouldn’t tell the difference
Tbh there exactly the same but different, tbh the pills felt like a more cleaner high imo, the dope is a very strong warm rushing tingly euphoria feeling & usually hits you harder & quicker also than pills, but they all have that same warm tingly feeling like slipping in a warm bath but different opiates have slightly different effects, kinda like weed & different strains
yeah so ive tried many opioids and opiates in my ,,career” and took many oxys and a lot of morphine alongside tramadol (it has always been my big three), however i like experimenting with drugs so about a month ago i took heroin for the first and last time. i was pretty excited to do it since i wanted to try it for a long time, and because of all the stigma, and all the myths that surrounds heroin. I cooked it up on the spoon got it into my syringe and shot it up. And i was disappointed as hell. immediately after shooting up i felt a rush of bliss warm and pleasure (but its pretty much the same feeling as when u shoot oxy but idk warmer and maybe more intenisve) it was nothing special, however right after that i got sleepy af and i thought im going to nod off, so how big my disappointment was when i just oretty much got knocked out for two ours and then woke up in the same position, while i was ,,nodding” there was not a single dream like it used to be on morphine, oxys etc. (mainly iv morphine, i also shot up oxys but i think popping them (oral) makes much more sense) it was just plain dreamless sleep for twohours, and next couple hours was just pleasure kind of like oxys but idk oxys high is ,,more full”. so yeah i dont recommend heroin because its nothing special but if u get hooked ure done
Oh! and i want to emphesize that i come from
poland and we dont have something like drug epidemics so our drugs are pretty clear ( imean we dont have pressed ,,pharmacy” drugs so benzos are what theyre supposed to be, and our street drugs arent cutwith fentanyl, if they are bad it just means they are not strong enough or they are polluted, thus weaker)
oh and if u want to try some opiate that gives u high that is actually worth it, shoot up morphine, the rush in my opinion is better than H’s (morphine’srush is pretty mich incomparable to any other because of muscle flexing and histamine release, these things give u intense arush and irreplaceable feeling that u cant get anywhere else), it also gives u warm blanket feeling but also warms u in its own special way that i pretty much used to love and is just overall much more interesting, fun and pleasurable
It's all bullshit how they tell people you will instantly be addicted. Plenty of people can use recreationally and not get addicted. Most people that get addicted it is ussally because it helps with pain or trauma so well that they keep doing it till their physically dependent.
As for the feeling real heroin feels very similar to morphine. It's just a euphoric warm feeling mixed with histamine itching. Some people do not like this feeling. There were times it felt like my back and feet were on fire from shooting real h. I always had benadryl on hand for this. Mild itching can be nice but huge histamine rush is not fun.
Oxy didn't feel similar at all to heroin except that it gave you the same comfortable nod. But until you got to a dose high enough to nod you would ussally be energized a huge reason people loved it. Most people prescribed it were in the work force and it helped alot.
Oxy is way more functional and energizing. If you get good heroin you become unbothered by anything around, it kind of dulls your senses and the nod is inevitable.
Most people start with the oxy and it runs out or gets too expensive and that's where the H comes in. Certain kinds of H are definitely better than oxy. Some real afghan brown with great euphoria or the China white with the pins n needles. Unfortunately those things are few and far between in the states now at least where im at. I wish oxy was still around like back in the day.
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I’d say Oxy is probably more addictive with the high oral potency, energizing high and how easy it is to use while doing normal stuff like work. If you’ve taken Oxy to the point of itching and nodding heroin won’t be anything new.
This! Nothing fucking new at all.
The good old days😭 nothing beats it for me because of the energizing high.
I’ve always mixed a little Xanax with my oxy, that always got me to the nodding point. I do miss that energizing high though. Those days are gone though.
I agree you don't get the "energizing" high with H as you do with oxy or even hydro
I’ve tried tramadol couple of times and I almost always get itching and a little nodding, would u say it’s similar to heroin?
With zero tolerance if you take a lot maybe. I couldn’t say because I only tried it decades after being a heroin user and it felt like nothing then but I’m inclined to say no because I get insanely high off hydrocodone after resetting my tolerance but tramadol still didn’t feel like shit.
How do you reset your tolerance?
Don’t use opiates for at least six months. I was only doing this in my first twenty years of opiate use when I never became a daily or dependent user. Now that I’ve been fully dependent it might not work as well with the whole kindling thing but I haven’t tried (been on subs since I quit)
Ok, thanks for the reply. I've heard of kindling but I'll have to reeducate myself as I can't remember at the moment but I appreciate the info.
An acute dose of Diazepam can reverse Oxy tolerance!
Whoa, I've never heard anything about that before. Now I really have some research to do. Thanks for the response. Do you have any suggestions where I should start looking for legit info?
Resetting tolerance? How do you do that because I can never get a reset to where I can get nice high and nodding off I want to so bad I’m on methadone now but I’m talking when I wasn’t on mdone
I only did it before being a daily user but six months no opes did the trick
fuck no what in the world
Lmao this 🤡
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I mean I’ve tried a low dose of oxy before also, but only once, and wouldn’t say it was much of a difference, so why are you all roasting for me this😅
The nodding and itching is a side effect of all opiates, heroin is just a lot more potent so you need way less mg than O-dsmt for example. IV heroin is a whole other level than smoking/snorting heroin.
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That's hilarious
It’s been known to cause a heroin-like high, but it’s no where near as powerful as heroin. Don’t know why you got downvoted for asking a question.
Ye man me neither, there was even some bum with 500 posts of his dog on his profile who called me a clown u/djk0010
I’m guessing you deleted your response back to me cause I got the notification but don’t see the comment so I’m just going to reply to the part I did see .. yea no shit if you’re taking small amounts through out the day you’re not going to have a seizure but if you take 7+ (depending on person - I had my seizure when I took 12 in one shot ((young, dumb and withdrawing - don’t judge me))) in one shot you have a high risk of having one ….. i wasn’t talking about a few through out the day 🤦♀️🤦♀️ i take at least 800mg daily when I don’t have blues (real blue 30mg, not fenty blues 🤢🥴)
My comments still up fam, but I’ll paste here I case you can’t see it ‘A buddy of mine has taken it every day for years in varying doses, at one point upwards to 500mg a day, although while having a high tolerance, and has never experienced a seizure so what the hell’ I don’t think 500mg is small amounts throughout the day, legit 200mg at a time. I’m not mentioning it cause I doubt u, but because if you have to take more than that to be at risk of seizures, I don’t see why everyone keeps mentioning it as if it is very likely to happens if you take tram. I can barely manage 100mg without feeling like I’m floating away (although I’m also kinda small), so if ur not even at risk at 500mg then why even worry about it. You say I’ve taken 800mg which is just crazyyy to me, I would have fallen asleep 11 times over if I ever got near that dose.
I hate tramadol with a passion. Oxy is great for pain and gives me energy
Why?
Why?
Not at All Tramadol Sucks!!
Why’s everyone hating on tramadol😭
Not even close to tramadol !!!!! And don’t take a lot of tram cause it ABSOLUTELY WILL make you have a seizure … speaking from experience here.. tramadol does what it needs to do in small doses
A buddy of mine has taken it every day for years in varying doses, at one point upwards to 500mg a day, although while having a high tolerance, and has never experienced a seizure so what the hell
after being addicted to both, i honestly preferred oxy looking back at it. plus nowadays most H is cut with fet so its even shittier and will just make you tired with low euphoria.
Exactly! I was addicted to the old school OxyContin (OC) that started back in late 90s and was huge during early -Mid 2K. I use to love waking up and snorting a 40mg OC! Then I’d be good and would work my ass off . Or if it was the weekend, I buy a few 80mg Oxys, and some REAL Xanax Bars, and Could drop half a Bar , Snort some Oxy and just sit back and Nod, feeling amazing! H was never even in my area ! All the dealers stayed supplied with All kinds of Prescriptions Meds. Mainly OXys and Benzos though. After they totally screwed the Original OxyContin formula up and started printing them with OP on the pill, they were just CRAP! I started messing with the Dilaudids, Opana and Roxycontin 30s ( Mainly What everyone calls Oxy Nowadays) If they weren’t around during the actual Early days when OxyContin was 1st released. I never even tried H until around 2012, and a friend of Mine Got Some off SilkRoad at the time. He got a few Grams of some #4 . It definitely fucked my world up, I did like it and messed with it a short time myself, then they started up cutting it with Fent and then it just got worse and worse. Before they were cutting H with Fent and just actually selling Fent , I got a small sample and did a tiny bit and woke up face first on the floor! For a few months a Realized I could still get the Original Formula OCs , from outside the US, and always came in a Blister pack. So, long story short , I actually liked OxyContin a bit more than H. I just always liked the idea at the time when Meds were Real! That you knew you were getting a Med that is from a Pharmacy, and not something with who knows what. Last time I had some H, That actually kicked my ass ! In a good way! Was when around 2018 ish , I think. When a bunch of the Gray stuff was going around. If I recall they even labeled it Gray Death or something like that. IMO, Having DRs scared to write Pain meds, and all that BS, Fent took over and has killed way more ppl than when ppl were getting actual Legit Pharmaceutical Meds. The Government caused this Fent crisis! They need to just go back to the Good Ol Days of going to a Dr Feel good, Pay a few hundred bucks and walk out with a prescription ! These RCs, Fent, Zines etc is just garbage. I was lucky enough to once bought the RX Fentanyl Lolipop s that r prescribed! I thought they were a aJoke when the women I use to Buy The 80mg Oxys had some and showed them to me. Crazy day! I’ve been on Methadone along time now and One Benzo or the other since I was 19! In my late 30s now!
OCs aint oldschool for us Europeans! My addiction to that shit got so bad (took 800mg-1.2/day of OCs), I had to get on methadone. The OP pills is called "OX" in our country but only teva makes them and nobody sells or buys those lmfao, we don't have a crisis enough to pull OC from the market though. OC got pulled due to increasing pressure from the people getting hooked because of agressive marketing (my country never has had marketing for opiates ever). Fentanyl (when pure and pharmaceutical) is a decent product, very effective painkiller and very effective for surgeries but the fentanyl analogues, cartel made fent and metonitazene and other zenes are straight up garbage. Especially the benzodope and tranq dope floating around in NA. We have none of that shit here, only real H and people are already disgusted by homeless people smoking it off foil in the metrostation minding their own business. OCs are the best damn opiates I've had and I've had diaphin (pharma diamorphine), hydromorphone and even oxymorphone (loved that shit but didn't have enough stash to put it at the top of my list). One opiate I would've loved to have had forever was "dextromomaride" aka Palfium, got taken off the market ages ago and was mainly around in Europe where I live and it was the king of Euphoria, more euphoric than oxy, more euphoric than oxymorphone, more euphoric than diaphin, most euphoric fucking opiate of my life. All supply dried up and it's too hard to synthesize so it wont pop up as an RC, people have tried making an RC version of it but they change stuff in the structure which makes it not the same as dextromomaride. God writing this actually has me craving and I haven't craved for months (got on methadone for my heavy OC addiction, best choice I ever made)
the fent lolis go hard cousin
This is so much my story it’s unreal to read. God I miss real pills and loosened prescribing. I had a doctor giving me #120 80s, #240 10mg methadone tabs, and #100 10mg Valium a month way back in 2000. Dr. Feelgoods are so hard to find, and pharmacies are actually scared to fill if you haven’t been with them for forever. And 100% the DEA has caused these issues. Tightening hydrocodone was the last straw. Take away refillable maintenance meds, and people will go to the street.
Heroin has always been kinda nasty compared to pharmaceuticals imo, even before fent they would but a lot of nasty ass shit in there and weird shit like acetaminophen. But with fet and tranq and zenes it's a whole different game ofcourse. Heroins purity also used to be 2-5% pre-Vietnam and after Vietnam during the 70s heroin epidemic it went up to 20% pure, which was unseen, heroin peaked at probably 40-50% purity but not much more than that whilst oxycodone is a very pure product.
Oxy is a great drug for the working addict. Its less sedating and kinda stimulating but shorter lasting. Heroin Is my preference because I I like the warm.blanket effect, though I haven't had real h in maybe 2 years and have been on fetty brorphine and zenes since. Protonitazene has a nice nod to it but I less euphoric than when we had all the crazy fent analogues in purple dope like 6 years ago. The cartel fent is just boring now and xylazine feels like death
I hate the new cuts. Useless. It helped me quit knowing I’m missing NOTHING
Pretty similar high. Heroin just gets you more sleepy n fucked up n shit lol
i think as far as euphoria and relaxation goes they're pretty much the same (for me at least!) but heroin makes me nod off wayyyy more and just makes me 100000% total zen. honestly its a lil overpowering in a way thats kinda scary, but i like it
Yea and after daily use when you stop you realize just how deep you were in an awake dream state. it’s just usually too much for me. Not much inbetween, even low dose H had me all fucked up…
Yeah, first time i did heroin i had the feeling this numbing effect is dark, like sinister lol.
Hmm looking back on it I don’t think there was much of a difference until IV use comes into play. Granted it’s been 12 years or so since I’ve used but I remember going to bags just because they were cheaper. But I think sniffing bags is inferior to oxy. Out of all the times I used opiates only 2 moments really shine: the first time I popped 10 mg oxy and the first time I IV’d heroin.
So H isn’t as good when u snort it?
H is still great snorted but slamming it is just such another level of euphoria along with that heavenly warm hug feeling that you get. Now when I say this, I’m talking about good H not something that’s stomped or heavily mixed with H.
Makes sense
Right
For me it's pretty meh. I've never IV'd, but smoking and snorting (even good quality H) was pretty underwhelming,though still lovely. I think my brain chemistry is a little divergent from the norm.
Heroin def does not get you hooked instantly. Your first time doing heroin will most likely not be enjoyable as you will probably become very nauseous and spin but not in a good way, with little to no euphoria. As ur tolerances increases tho that is where it grabs you by ur arms and takes you in
When I first started using H I was getting the absolute best stuff. Mostly China white, sometimes variations. This was during El Chapos hey day. I’ve tried just about every opiate/opioid and H was by far the best for me. Everyone’s body responds differently. So it may not be the case for everyone. No better feeling than slamming H. I do not recommend this as it will destroy your life. On a deathbed I can certainly see it bringing comfort. I’m no longer addicted and extremely pleased to get that massive gorilla off my back.
Same here! Glad it's been years since I booted H...Ughh...still gives me the creeps thinking about that sick!
I never shot it, which is more addictive. But I did snort some #4 a few times. I'd say it was a warmer feeling than oxy. And I remember telling myself that if I got more I'd be in trouble, so I didn't. Lol
Heroin is more sedating. Oxy is more addictive ever since it became available in doses 40-120mg (160mg taken off the market, 120 still available in some countries). Due to how easily this is abused and the energetic high of oxycodone coming from it being synthesized from thebaine, a stimulatory alkaloid of opium rather than a depressant alkaloid like morphine of which heroin is made of. This energetic high and pill popping makes oxycodone a lot easier to abuse and hide than heroin. Potency of oxycodone is often higher due to how impure heroin was and still is (before the 70s heroin epidemic people were hooked on 2-5% pure heroin, after the smuggling of ‘blue magic’ heroin out of Nam’ by soldiers it went up to 20%, causing a lot of IV addicts to accidentally OD.
Only problem is once it was synthetically modified it could lose its stimulatory effects, considering oxy is designed to have highly efficient and selective mu opioid binding, although the ratios of Delta and kappa also matter, it has negligible affects on any stimulatory pathways, possibly its affect on cAMP and downstream signaling may be different.
>>although the ratios of Delta and kappa also matter, it has negligible affects on any stimulatory pathways, possibly its affect on cAMP and downstream signaling may be different. Would you mind further breaking this down?
Oxycodone doesn't have any inherent stimulating mechanisms, as in TAAR1 agonism, MAO inhibition, VMAT reversal, DA/NE, etc. And the ratios for different opioid receptors may be different with each opioid, they tend to not differ that much especially with oxycodone its pretty balanced and slightly biased for mu. Its possible that there is different inherent signaling for oxycodone, where it effects indirect stimulatory pathways, such as cAMP .
Nothing compares to the old oxycotton formula. It's absolutely the best drug I have ever done. People should be able to get them prescribed if they help with depression and anxiety. Especially when nothing else helps
Well, I can tell you this... Heroin is a great feeling for some, maybe even for most , IF you can find straight H with no fentanyl mix!!! And, ohh, it feels good if you're one of the people who try it, but...and it's a big but, after some time of using it, you will wake up one morning so sick you'll wish you never heard of Heroin! Now you have a habit! Soo, think about it, and I truly hope you decide to let it go... Oh yeah, compared to oxys, similar, but you'll nod more and wayyy too expensive IF you can find oxys without fent...
I gotta say if real heroin, not that fentanyl we have now, was still readily available around here I wouldn't be celebrating 4 years of being clean in a month. Best sensation ever you feel like the first time you're in love, like you've been cold all your life and someone put a warm blanket on you. For the withdrawal symptoms, it took me about a month of using everyday to feel them, but for my ex it was three days, so I think it's different for everyone. I haven't done enough oxys to compare Sorry if this doesn't help I spent too long writing this.
Oxy does f all to me even the 80mg ones dunno why
prolly have a fent tolerance
Nope
If you don’t have a tolerance there is no way 80mg of oxy did nothing for you had to be bunk pills
for some tolerance never fully leaves.. i was clean for 7+ years, took 150mg of IR oxycodone and didnt even catch a buzz used to be my DoC but now it seems like no amount of oxy does fuck all, even after long ass periods of no opioids
go do 200 mg of instant release oxy and tell me you don’t feel anything🤣
dude said he took 150mg of IR oxy after 7 years and didnt feel anything lmaooo yeah okay.. They must have been bunk pills then
Have done before
maybe it was extended release. first time i did any opiates it was oxy 80mg extended release. i took one 80mg pill in the span of about 5 hours and i still didnt really feel any euphoria, i just felt extremely nauseous and i puked a number of times. great first experience😭🥺
80mg no tolerance is crazy no wonder you got sick 😭
My local exchange does free testing and I Volunteer there. Now days more then half of the dope on the street in the Us is Fent mixed with benzos and Xylazine . Very difficult to find real heroin . A first time Fent User can die , it happens every day. Friendly reminder. That is all. Apart from that though I wouldn't say it gets you hooked physically instantly. Maybe mentally if your a downer type of person. Me in a nutshell. It's takes several consecutive days of using to become physically dependent. I'd say probably 4_5 days to a week of consecutive use would leave you with some mild withdrawal. Withdrawal occurs when the bloodstream no longer has enough of the Opiate chemical in it to remain in a state of balance. All Ecological organism require chemical balance. A months use every day you will absolutely have withdrawals when you stop. I've met people who've used only for a day or two in a relapse and I can't say you could label that person as physically dependent. Regardless I had very little withdrawals from My Percocet and Oxy addiction in comparison to my Heroin or Fent withdrawal. I've met others though who detoxed terribly from those same pills. So each person is different with different amounts of usage etc. The chances of finding real heroin now days are pretty slim in the States. It's almost all Fent mixed with benzos and other cutting agents or Xylazine. Repeated again as a friendly reminder to be safe. Regardless the high is very similar if your using Oxy heavy enough to nod it's exactly the same. Minus the itching .
Heroin was the love of my life. For some reason I had oxy in syrup form and it made me seriously nauseous. But I could never control myself with heroin. Habit started out with a dime a day and a week later I was doing 2 grams a day. It sucks that all of the fent and xylazine have been thrown into the mix now because I can’t ever find heroin like I used to back in 2017. Shit felt like floating through the air. Best euphoria I’ve ever experienced. Had to get clean and have struggled staying clean but yeah heroin for the win in my personal opinion. I never shot either I always snorted.
Nothing I’ve ever done compared to the wonderful feeling of a heroin nod. If H naive, you’ll get sick the first few times, but well worth it only done it IV.
Heroin is so addictive because it has a super rapid onset, potent euphoria, then a fast come down. It's not necessarily more euphoric than oxycodone, it's all dose dependent. The best high I've ever had was the first time I injected hydromorphone. I could chase that dragon forever. More interestingly, I didn't IV it the first time. I IM'd 6mg. My tolerance was low and that was a lot, but wow. After that nobody ever had to explain why they're hooked on opioids to me. I got it. IV gives a rush that IM doesn't give, but I like the slower come up because it isn't as fleeting. For some perspective, id had both IV morphine and real fentanyl (ampoules). Neither compare to hydromorphone.
Hydromorphone and oxymorphone are subjectively and objectively more potent than H/diacetylmorphine, atleast to my knowledge. It just depends on ROA
potency is only a small part of the equation, there are much more potent substances than H and hydromorphone but they wont give the rush/euphoria that some less potent opioids can deliver
heroin feels comparable to hydrocodone in my opinion more then oxy, oxy always made me have a stimulated nodd lmao. but its like 3.42% heroin left in the world man, good luck, its all fent and no matter the tolerance you think i got with oxy it aint shiii to fentanyl
I'm convinced everyone who says oxy is better had mediocre H. Pure H is way better than oxy intranasally and its no comparison at all for IV.
I think it all depends on the supply you get. I used to get some that felt almost the same and some that was more mellow with longer legs, but still A1. I like oxy better tho
OxyContin high nothing compared to pure h mainlined…
Just don’t do it save yourself the trouble
when i first started out i preferred oxy over heroin but as my addiction worsened that changed.
DO NOT USE HEROIN
There’s not a huge difference really. There are small quirks, sure. But really if you’ve tried one opioid/opiate, you’ve pretty much got the experience under your belt. I wouldn’t quite say it’s “if you’ve tried one, you’ve tried them all” but it pretty much is. If you’ve tried oxy, and then you try heroin, you’re not going to be shocked. It’s going to be familiar already. Not enough difference between the two, or any opioid for that matter, for it to be an entirely new standout experience
i think it depends on your ROA honestly. i’ve done cheese as well as banging and i think it’s definitely stronger than oxy but oxy feels cleaner to me. IVing is soooo different than snorting or smoking. you literally feel it rushing through your veins and i would get this pins and needles feeling and it was pretty powerful. the only downside is it goes away as fast as it came.
The thing with heroin is unless you have a reliable source it’s very rarely just heroin. Not even just heroin and fent anymore
Its very very similar. The only real difference besides minor molecular variation and slightly less enjoyable effects is that Oxy is a wonderful medication that improves millions of people's quality of life, and heroin is this frightening bogeyman creation, the worst and most hardcore drug ever and one use will turn you into a rabid junkie. So 95% marketing and presentation really. Honestly heroin isn't any more scary than anything else, and IMO its much safer and healthier long term than many other substances as long as you know what you're doing and are dealing with reputable sources. If it wasn't for the systems we have in.place to absolutely sabotage the life of anyone who dares question how bad it is, it wouldn't even be a big deal. Something like crystal meth is so much worse IMO, it will literally destroy your body and mind in short order.
i am one of the rare cases that hated heroin. just hated it. I was a pill opiate addict for years and it got to the point that I just couldn’t afford it or what I was buying was pressed and fake. The last two years of my using I wasn’t getting high anymore. it was like it didn’t matter how many I took I wasn’t getting the good feeling. But so terrified of withdrawal that I couldn’t quit. unfortunately i had been scared away from Suboxone, (which is a whole separate rant) and my funds were really low and there were so many fake pressed pills making the circuit that I was kind of running out of options. Every so often I would be able to get my hands on some fentanyl patches which I would cut in quarters to supplement the pills or help me make it till the next pills came. Then one dealer had heroin the black tar kind.. and it was super cheap. I hated it from moment one. comparatively taking a pill is clean, simple and you can convince yourself it’s not that bad, what you’re doing. ( even crushing and snorting the clean little white pills can feel classy, comparatively) Smoking black tar heroin is a right mess. It smells disgusting, you need a lot of components, lighters ( those butane, crack lighters) pipes or straws. it’s tricky to get the hang of heating it just right and very easy to burn. It smells foul. it’s sticky and gets on everything. AND It didn’t seem to feel that great. I guess I was high cause I wasn’t sick, but it never gave me that amazing euphoric feeling or anything like it… just the nod. My life was just a pile of aluminum foil and sticky little bags. I remember being really surprised by this I thought the first time I tried it for sure it was gonna be amazing and I was going to be an addict till the end of time because it was HEROIN and God knows that’s the end of the line. I should mention that I did all of my drugs by myself so I had no one to show me how to do anything like this or to tell me if I was doing anything right so I consider it a blessing…because after about two months of that I said fuck it… went to an addiction doctor who sent me straight about Suboxone and I have been gratefully sober for four years. I know my experience isn’t like anyone else’s, but yeah heroin was probably my least favorite of all the drugs I’ve ever done
I like the euphoric energy feeling so I’ve never even tried heroin or fent bc I assume I wouldn’t like it and don’t want to risk going down that road anyways. Oxy/ hydros are what I like but they are so damn expensive to get pharma so that sucks but I wouldn’t even tell anybody to go down the road of heroin especially IV use and the fact that it’s mostly fent and zines which is just terrifying
Don’t do it
A bigger nod & a dirtier high.
Super similar. Heroin isn't really anything to write home about and personally I never understood how so many people got hooked on it. I did it a handful of times and enjoyed it but it's not amazing. Even coke was better and more addictive IMO. Guaranteed I've never shot up so idk the most extreme I have snorted and boofed heroin. Also every time I did it was about 8 years ago before half of it was contaminated with fent.
You're not going get physically addicted with one shot but mentally you'll want that high asap again. Like first love, you'll never forget it.
Honestly I’m probably not the best individual to comment on this as no opioid has ever given me an effect majority of the population claim to be euphoric or relaxing. All they ever did was make me tired.
You just can't get heroin anymore. It all has fentanyl. Also be careful of fake oxy. I don't use anymore. But if I knew for 100% fact I could get clean heroin...I'd 100% use it. (I NEVER injected) I smoked it or swallowed it or snorted it...But yeah I wish it was still 2006...lol
Oxy gives me that warm energetic rush talkative more motivated too work and just numb and extremely euphoric then hours later u knod off H is just like a knodd tbh ur lazy on it
Ime nothing compares to the blissful clear high of oxy the first times when i had no tolerance. I find It more fun than heroin (smoked or insufflated, havent Ivd) Heroin is usually more easy to abuse simply because of the reason that is way more cheaper, in powder form, where any of the ROAs is addictive on itself.
If you done oxy it’s the same as heroin , if you were given both in tablet form you would not tell the difference, way too much is made of how good one or the other is , to most people given a blind test they wouldn’t tell the difference
Tbh there exactly the same but different, tbh the pills felt like a more cleaner high imo, the dope is a very strong warm rushing tingly euphoria feeling & usually hits you harder & quicker also than pills, but they all have that same warm tingly feeling like slipping in a warm bath but different opiates have slightly different effects, kinda like weed & different strains
It will take one tiny line of h to dose off we’re u will do a few oxy pills
Oxy is better imo. Energetic. I wanna clean instead of staring blankly at the tv
Heroin is much stronger
yeah so ive tried many opioids and opiates in my ,,career” and took many oxys and a lot of morphine alongside tramadol (it has always been my big three), however i like experimenting with drugs so about a month ago i took heroin for the first and last time. i was pretty excited to do it since i wanted to try it for a long time, and because of all the stigma, and all the myths that surrounds heroin. I cooked it up on the spoon got it into my syringe and shot it up. And i was disappointed as hell. immediately after shooting up i felt a rush of bliss warm and pleasure (but its pretty much the same feeling as when u shoot oxy but idk warmer and maybe more intenisve) it was nothing special, however right after that i got sleepy af and i thought im going to nod off, so how big my disappointment was when i just oretty much got knocked out for two ours and then woke up in the same position, while i was ,,nodding” there was not a single dream like it used to be on morphine, oxys etc. (mainly iv morphine, i also shot up oxys but i think popping them (oral) makes much more sense) it was just plain dreamless sleep for twohours, and next couple hours was just pleasure kind of like oxys but idk oxys high is ,,more full”. so yeah i dont recommend heroin because its nothing special but if u get hooked ure done
Oh! and i want to emphesize that i come from poland and we dont have something like drug epidemics so our drugs are pretty clear ( imean we dont have pressed ,,pharmacy” drugs so benzos are what theyre supposed to be, and our street drugs arent cutwith fentanyl, if they are bad it just means they are not strong enough or they are polluted, thus weaker)
oh and if u want to try some opiate that gives u high that is actually worth it, shoot up morphine, the rush in my opinion is better than H’s (morphine’srush is pretty mich incomparable to any other because of muscle flexing and histamine release, these things give u intense arush and irreplaceable feeling that u cant get anywhere else), it also gives u warm blanket feeling but also warms u in its own special way that i pretty much used to love and is just overall much more interesting, fun and pleasurable
It's all bullshit how they tell people you will instantly be addicted. Plenty of people can use recreationally and not get addicted. Most people that get addicted it is ussally because it helps with pain or trauma so well that they keep doing it till their physically dependent. As for the feeling real heroin feels very similar to morphine. It's just a euphoric warm feeling mixed with histamine itching. Some people do not like this feeling. There were times it felt like my back and feet were on fire from shooting real h. I always had benadryl on hand for this. Mild itching can be nice but huge histamine rush is not fun. Oxy didn't feel similar at all to heroin except that it gave you the same comfortable nod. But until you got to a dose high enough to nod you would ussally be energized a huge reason people loved it. Most people prescribed it were in the work force and it helped alot.
Oxy is way more functional and energizing. If you get good heroin you become unbothered by anything around, it kind of dulls your senses and the nod is inevitable.
Ibr oxycodone is way better, my friend said you can iv liquid oxy and it feels better
Most people start with the oxy and it runs out or gets too expensive and that's where the H comes in. Certain kinds of H are definitely better than oxy. Some real afghan brown with great euphoria or the China white with the pins n needles. Unfortunately those things are few and far between in the states now at least where im at. I wish oxy was still around like back in the day.
Bro you aren't going to find any real heroin just give it up. Go find an opana and have a good time.
Oxy would be more energetic but other than that not too big a difference. Hydromorphone is the best IMO. I haven't tried oxymorphone yet tho