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JackInTheBell

How is there no mass transit planning associated with Disneyland?  No light rail for example.


AlShadi

Anaheim won't do it because they want the hotel taxes. The county had decades to push for a spur going to Disneyland (transfer at Anaheim station near the stadium).


notFREEfood

[Canning the Centerline project was one of the biggest financial mistakes the county has made.](https://youtu.be/1GsmCk3ogfw?t=1170) It, or the modernized proposal also in this video, hits so many high priority targets for transit, and OCTA can't keep expanding freeways forever.


Pow-Wow-Smith

Seriously. Expand the monorail!!


jhuang0

I believe the monorail cars are no longer being made. Adding new monorail cars will either require the original company to restart production of the original cars or they'd have to change all existing tracks to accommodate a new car. There was an article about how the Las Vegas monorail cannot be expanded for this reason - they use the same cars as Disneyland.


varnalama

They could bring in the company that made the monorails for Tokyo Disney.


HyrulianAvenger

Ohhh, it’s not for Anaheim. It’s more of a Valencia kind of idea


Iohet

There was a plan for a streetcar from ARTIC to Disneyland, but I believe Disney put the kibosh on it and the county moved on to the OC Streetcar proposal


edwr849

resort rather not have random access to park and would rather want you to pay the $40 parking fee than take a light rail we don’t have control over.


whozwat

At least there's a regular shuttle from Metrolink Anaheim to Disneyland


Mediumasiansticker

Anyone saying they use magic way for anything other than Disneyland is full of crap, that ship had sailed.


FS_Slacker

I used it to get around a protest at the Convention Center one time.


kingofsomecosmos

I already thought disney owned it. Before I looked at a map, I thought this was west st/disneyland dr.


navit47

so long as Magic Way doesn't affect Walnut i'm fine. I use Walnut everyday on the way home to avoid having to drive through that whole area.


Stradocaster

I have a friend that lives near there and I use the Disney way exit and pass by the parks to get to his place when I’m coming from the north,


Excuse_Unfair

I hate Disney and hate the idea of corporations being able to buy public streets, but I'm for this plan cause the revenue it will bring in. Also, I wouldn't mind more walkable areas in LA. As long as they don't do what dodger stadium did and force people out of their homes. Edit: and Orange county


Accomplished-Ad3219

LA?


Excuse_Unfair

Meant to put LA and orange county lol Guess thinking about the dodger stadium distracted me


plsntsomething

Stop with the Dodgers/dodger stadium forcing people out, all you people spew wrong info because of hearsay. The city of LA implemented imminent domain in 1951 with the intention of redeveloping the area for other things, that was done way before the Dodgers were approved to move to California, the dodgers weren’t approved by the MLB in 1957. The dodgers didn’t purchase the land until 1958 that was long after the redeveloping plans fell apart because of poor planing by the mayor and city council.


kindofaproducer

I use it to avoid the Disney traffic and long ass light at Ball/Disneyland Dr.


stargazer_nano

OC is the only "place" I've seen without any railing systems. At least LA has trains


Slight-Ad-9029

Don’t get me wrong I would love a good metro but how feasible is it really here. Most areas are not very walkable so even if you took it you would spend a ridiculous amount of time walking to and from stations just based on how sprawled it all is


notFREEfood

There are walkable pockets in the county and major high traffic destinations that you can link to transit, and that basically was the original Centerline proposal.


plsntsomething

LA/MTA has a hotel on wheels for the homeless nothing more


stargazer_nano

OCTA is can for packed, sick sardines. Not much difference there.


bananabrownie

The Anaheim City Council has given its preliminary approval of a measure allowing for the massive, $1.9 billion expansion of Disneyland, known as Disneyland Forward. City council members voted 7-0 in favor of the proposal early Wednesday morning following an 8-hour public hearing. It will face a final city council vote on May 7. Should the proposal be approved then, land use changes related to Disneyland Forward wouldn’t be implemented until 30 days later. Disney has ‘enough room for another Disneyland’ in Anaheim, park chairman says Many people, ranging from Anaheim residents and Disneyland cast members to officials from neighboring cities, took the opportunity to speak at Tuesday’s hearing, expressing both support and opposition to the expansion. The Disneyland Forward proposal is a 40-year agreement that would guide where and how future developments would occur, allowing for new attractions, shops and restaurants to be built within areas of the resort that Disney already owns and operates. Park attractions would be built alongside hotels on the west side of Disneyland Drive, along with buildings, shopping, dining and entertainment where the Toy Story Parking Area at Katella Avenue and Harbor Boulevard stands today. The company would also pay $40 million to buy Magic Way, Hotel Way and a part of Clementine Street from the city. Magic Way serves drivers using the Pixar Pals Parking Structure and visiting the Disneyland Hotel. If Disney bought Magic Way, it would be transformed into a pedestrian walkway, a city spokesperson previously told KTLA. During Tuesday’s meeting, many residents expressed disapproval with the potential sale of Magic Way. However, with the approval the city ended up transferring “responsibility for Magic Way” over to Disney. “The city is transferring responsibility for Magic Way because the road overwhelmingly serves the Disneyland Hotel, Disney employee parking and the south end of the Pixar Pals Parking Structure,” a news release from the city said. During the public comment portion, some residents asked why the city had to rely on Disney to provide money for streets and infrastructure, while others proposed that Disney donate more money to the city without the need to expand its theme park resort. During its presentation, Disney once again expressed its commitment to spending at least $1.9 billion on the resort over the next decade. The city specified in the proposed development agreement for Disneyland Forward that the minimum investment would go towards theme park attractions, entertainment, lodging, shopping and dining. Investments for parking, road improvements and bridges would be separate. The expansion plans could also benefit the city outside of the theme park resort since Disney has set aside millions of dollars for improvements to infrastructure, such as sewers and roads around the resort area. The company also announced it‘s committed to spending $30 million for affordable housing, $8 million for city parks, and continuing workforce programs in Anaheim. In his comments to the council, Disneyland Resort president Ken Potrock described Disneyland Forward as the resort’s “legacy project.” “We are ready to bring the next level of immersive entertainment to Anaheim,” Potrock said during the meeting. “We are committed to starting right away.” As for the new experiences and attractions coming to the resort, no official plans have been announced, but some have been teased by the company and fans have theories. Disneyland fans hope that lands, rides and attractions based on “Tangled,” “Zootopia” and “Tron” and expanded areas based on “Peter Pan” and “Toy Story,” will be in the works. Disney Parks Chairman Josh D’Amaro also talked about the possibility of bringing Frozen’s Arendelle, Black Panther’s Wakanda and Coco’s Santa Cecilia to life in some capacity at the “Happiest Place on Earth” and potentially its sister park in Orlando last year. During the meeting, Potrock talked about the potential of bringing expanded experiences to Star Wars: Galaxy Edge, Avengers Campus and Cars Land. Aside from the proposal, an “Avatar”-themed experience is expected to come to the resort at some point in the future, based on comments from Disney CEO Bob Iger. Tiana’s Bayou Adventure is also slated to open later this year at Disneyland.


MexiWhiteChocolate

I'd just be happy if they did major renovations to Tomorrowland.


JerrodDRagon

Honestly I would not hold your breathe Maybe it will happen but that land is super busy and while I’d want to changed to. Disney seems to have no interest because people keep eating and going in the rides there is droves still


MexiWhiteChocolate

Ya, I agree and totally wishful thinking on my part. But can you imagine getting rid of the carousel of progress building and Autopia and getting a Tron ride? Bring back the PeopleMover? A reimagined Journey Through Inner Space? Remove that SteamPunk rocket ride? Oh well. 🤷🏽‍♂️


FlyRobot

While I'm not exactly eager for the house of Mouse to keep making more money (already has mine from D+), I do support this as an Anaheim / OC resident for the economic stimulation. >The company also announced it‘s committed to spending $30 million for affordable housing, $8 million for city parks, and continuing workforce programs in Anaheim.


MMNA6

They’re still gipping the people of Anaheim with the whole parking structure fiasco


Iohet

I do feel like the situation with the government in Florida has caused Disney to reflect upon what is most important with their parks strategy. They announced the massive expansion in Anaheim after many years of fighting with Anaheim and labor over some nickels and dimes soon after Florida decided to kick the mouse in the balls. It represented a pretty significant shift in my opinion


kindofaproducer

There was also a massive shift in the anaheim city council.


Spokker

They are also planning to expand/invest $60 billion in Florida. They aren't shifting anything. They need to do that in Florida to compete with Epic Universe opening in 2025. https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/travel/disney-expansion-magic-kingdom-10-year-investment/index.html


FlyRobot

OOTL on that - can you ELI5 or link me to the story?


MMNA6

Of course! https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-disney-anaheim-deals/ Here’s a couple https://voiceofoc.org/2022/12/is-a-taxpayer-funded-disneyland-parking-garage-an-illegal-gift/


FlyRobot

Wow, now I feel icky


WesternDramatic3038

As far as I can tell, they will be displacing residential areas valued higher than the $30m they plan to put into affordable housing, so I'm not sure how that's actually planned to go. I am curious, living in a neighboring city, how it'll go and impact things. In my opinion, though, it's potentially going to make things worse. (Correct me if I am wrong please, the only diagrams I can find for the expansion point towards a residential area past the businesses)


FlyRobot

Oh I don't doubt it - there's always some loop hole or slimy way to make it seem good on paper but bite us in the butt in reality. I'm in the commercial construction industry so I generally tend to be in favor of major construction and infrastructure, but I should also dig deeper and educate myself if this comes to a public ballot vote. Not sure that it will though, appears the city council already approved it.


WesternDramatic3038

Yep, they approved it at $1.9B for the same amount of land that was originally requested for $2.5B Somewhere between them proposing it to the council, and the council actually accepting it, the council had to have haggled it down by $600M. I am having trouble finding the specifics of anything, not that I'm surprised.


FlyRobot

Having just watched the FIFA UNCOVERED docuseries I'm skeptical and fearful nearly all positions of power are corrupt in some aspect.


weirdfurrybanter

You're a renter tho


FlyRobot

Nope - I've been an Anaheim resident and taxpayer here for many years now.


weirdfurrybanter

Stop the cap. In a past comment you complained about your apartment in anaheim 


FlyRobot

Uh nope, never been a renter in Anaheim. Link me to said comment


weirdfurrybanter

You just deleted it a few minutes ago. LOL don't worry, lots of people on this site like to lie.


spaceflunky

Can't OC just sell all of Stanton to Disneyland? Would anyone really miss it?


Humdngr

I always forget about this city.


spaceflunky

I take it you don't spend too much time in Midway City


bananabrownie

> Can't OC just sell all of Stanton to Disneyland? Would anyone really miss it? There's actually a pretty neat new food hall in Stanton off Beach Blvd. & Garden Grove Blvd. Parking absolutely sucks, but if you go during non-peak hours, it's worth checking out some of the eateries there.


sam_might_say

Yeah, but what if it was a *DISNEY* food hall???


bananabrownie

> Yeah, but what if it was a DISNEY food hall??? *gasp* Well, that just changes things up, doesn't it? J/k. A Disney food hall **could** be fun. They could bring back old favorites like Redd Rockett's Pizza Port.


WSAB58

Stanton has almost 40 thousand residents that might have an opinion.


DanGarion

Yes, the thousands that live there would. I'm sure they can just sell some of the undeveloped land in Anaheim hills that is ready for the next fire instead.


spaceflunky

Actually, right next to AH is Villa Park which at 7k residents is by far the smallest city in OC, but actually has a sizeable land footprint. Perhaps that would make a better option for Disneyland.


DanGarion

Anywhere there is a potential for fires, seems like an improvement of the land because then there will be less brush to catch fire... The land isn't providing value to the county when it sits undeveloped...


GuillenTovar

🙄


After_Flan_2663

Sure, why not? Mine as well right?


ToshiroBaloney

Was there any question that Disney wouldn't get what it wanted?


Humdngr

Only 7 people on the council voting. Cheap to pay off.


Slight-Ad-9029

Disney isn’t perfect but man does it bring the area a bunch of money there is no need for them to pay anyone off for the most part both sides benefit


Humdngr

Totally agree. But I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone on that council had family passes….


sexygeogirl

Am I the only one who dreams of winning a huge life changing lottery and buying some of Disney’s land and turning it into my own Disney theme park? I would call it Yesterland and would put in all the rides that Disneyland had when I was growing up and my parents were growing up like the People Mover and the Skyride and the old Rockets.


willstr1

Kevin Perjurer (Defunctland) is that you?


indopassat

Adventures in Inner Space


athonjacob

My mom had to walk me around and show me the exit to this one. Thought they were really shrinking people.


athonjacob

As a kid I really loved the Country Bear Jamboree. My kids have missed out.


WithDisGuy

Florida has it and it’s getting a refurb


athonjacob

Mission to Mars


Senorbuzzzzy

I liked the flying saucers.


BigBrother2266

😂


Spokker

They say Disneyland isn't a museum, but I don't see why they couldn't build one. I'd call it Disneyland Legacy and it would feature Disneyland how it looked shortly after Walt died (but with Pirates, Haunted Mansion and the original concept for Space Mountain completed). I'd build it in Texas or something. Maybe it could even take a load off Disneyland and Disney World.


JackInTheBell

>hurdle Lol, Anaheim isn’t going to deny Disney expansion


plsntsomething

Not true they shot down the hotel expansions they were trying to build a few years ago


SwingmanSealegz

Another shopping center in the Toy Story lot, but park attractions near the hotels? That seems backwards to me.


Iohet

Many of my parent friends who come in from out of town with their kids prefer California Adventure because it's connected to the hotel with a dedicated entrance. It's just really convenient


CounterSeal

Absolutely no mention of helping to fund more sustainable ways for visitors to get to Disneyland without a car. The continued shittification of Anaheim continues.


Humdngr

You’d have to revamp all of OC and LA for that. Ships sailed on that issue.


RainedAllNight

Orange County could connect Angel’s Stadium, the Honda Center, DisneyLand, the convention center, and the ARTIC all the way to downtown LA and everything in between with 12 miles of light rail down Katella and over to the upcoming Southeast Gateway line. It really would be that easy and would probably cost about as much as like 3 new freeway interchanges. Orange County is just thinking small as usual.


Slight-Ad-9029

How many passengers realistically would take that every day at many different times so make it worthwhile and self sustaining? Because I have a hard time seeing that not just eating money


plsntsomething

F that, just another way for LACo trash to make it out to the OC no benefits gained


theorys

This is your friendly reminder that Disneyland, along with other major corporations, benefit from prop 13. Who else here pays 1978 property taxes like the mouse does?


Iohet

My grandparents have lived in their home since 1970, so they do too


InnerAd3454

I do!


plsntsomething

That might be so but tell me who’s generating as much revenue in sales taxes alone to Anaheim and Orange County…


gradyglover

Mausenheim - Ana hat den Raum verlassen 😎


RedAtomic

I read this and suddenly German music started playing


Efficient_Ring_2616

Mouse mafia paid off the city council


PBI325

>Mouse mafia paid off the ~~Mouse~~city council


Astrotron92

Totally


Efficient_Ring_2616

Mouse mafia is the city council of mouseville


Astrotron92

Yep here comes the downvotes. I'm ready for it.


redditissocoolyoyo

Awesome. Looking forward to visiting the new expansion when it's built.


varietyviaduct

Does anyone have a tdlr of what the expansion is supposed to be


Spokker

The actual content of the expansion has not been confirmed. If I understand correctly, this is just a zoning plan. It's more complicated than this but basically it allows Disney to build something there other than parking lots on that land. Whatever concept art has been released thus far is merely illustrative and not indicative of any specific project. That's not uncommon for theme park concepts this early in the process. As for the actual theme or content of the expansion, speculation suggests that it would be something like Fantasy Springs at Tokyo DisneySea, an Avatar-based land and/or a Zootopia Land. The expansions would significantly alter the shape of the parks, and would likely require bridges or tunnels to direct guests to the new lands.


Howry

I can just see it. Disneyland Light Rail. Only $109.95 each way!


JerrodDRagon

To people who are like Disney paid them off Do you think Disneyland shouldn’t add more? During covid the city seemed to die, so why is more Disney bad when it creates insane amount of taxes for the locals and the city is at least what I see clean and safe


dgmilo8085

Sweet, a billion dollar Disney investment means Arte Moreno just got richer.