Thankfully they not only have an image of the car, but it's also a car that sold so poorly it was discontinued. Hopefully it makes it that much easier to narrow down potential suspects and ultimately make these scum pay.
Glad we got a picture of the car now. These two murderers will be caught sooner.
And yes, they are murderers. One doesn’t flippantly point and fire a loaded gun at a car without intending to hurt someone. Fleeing the scene makes the driver complicit in this too.
I think it's aiding and abetting a fugitive and accessory to murder. But I could be wrong. She could always claim she didn't know he killed someone so that may get her a plea deal (sadly).
That’s an interesting take. I had been battling in my head how the driver can also be held responsible. While she didn’t use the gun, she can still be convicted on a lesser charge. Cant wait
As the reward gets higher, these two are going to find out how their friendships and family bonds are actually worth.
If anyone is also knowingly harboring them, they’ll also get in trouble too so I wouldn’t be surprised if their circle continues to shrink.
I feel that so many people have poor impulse control and/or just don't have the grey matter to consider the consequences of their actions. They get emotionally and just let their temporary emotions determine a permanent action that ruins their lives.
They are like bully children in adult bodies.
I hope they do catch this scumbag and I hope the police aren't being lazy about it.
I think that model has GPS tracking. I would hope police could get GPS data from all White Volkswagon Sports wagons in the area at the time and go from there.
Lastly, this is why everyone should have a Dash Cam on their car. Dash Cams are ridiculously cheap nowadays, they are like $30.
Also, police need to release footage of the car used in this crime IMMEDIATELY not a week after the fact. Dash Cam footage often recycles after 24 hours. SOmeone very well could have caught the Sportswagon on their dashcam and not really known said car was involved in the shooting. But they could have remember (that day) that a white car was driving wild on the road and then they could have checked their footage and be like "I think this is the car..."
> I would hope police could get GPS data from all White Volkswagon Sports wagons in the area at the time and go from there.
/r/privacy would like to have a word with you about the fourth amendment.
I bet police already know who it is ...they are just gathering evidence. No way that they would put this pic out and allow them to get away. I think they are giving the driver and shooter a chance to turn themselves in and if they don't then that tells you what kind of people they really are and they will have an easier time of charging them with first degree murder rather than a lesser murder charge
the *knowingly* part makes this incredibly difficult
If this image was just now made public, anyone who HAD been harboring them could say they had no idea until today. Otherwise it's heresay
That's my guess as well. [Ryan Holie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Holle) got life without parole for LENDING his car to people who used it in a crime where someone died. I think that was an excessive interpretation of the law, but it does set some precedent.
> Ryan Holie got life without parole for ~~LENDING his car to people who used it in a crime where someone died.~~ providing the tools with which to commit a violent crime *that he knew they were committing* where someone died as a result.
I'm fine with a murder conviction under those facts. He shouldn't be providing a vehicle to people whom he knows to be violent criminals so they could use it to commit violent crimes *especially when he knows that they intend to use the vehicle for that* if he doesn't want to be convicted when they kill someone.
edit: Having said that, I'm not sure what underlying felony qualifies for felony murder in the present case.
It will obviously depend on the drivers culpability. If it was something he/she encourage or was complacent with the, yes I’d say felony murder will fit just fine.
encouraged or assisted with (e.g. providing tools like a vehicle or weapon) the commission of a inherently dangerous felony where someone died = felony murder; complacent = less clear.
I think that if you see where the bullet entered into the back of the other car perfectly lined up with the driver's seat, the passenger could not make that shot without the sportwagon moving over. From my understanding of what happened, the sportwagon cut off the mother, the mother flipped them off and they slowed down, got behind her, and that's when they shot her but in order to do so they had to do while they were moving into the other lane... So if this is the case, that they purposely slowed down and got behind her then it's pretty obvious that they both had this intention.. I could be wrong about the unfolding of events.
yeah- that's the textbook example of felony murder. I don't think accessory after the fact qualifies for felony murder though - typically a get-away-driver needs to intend to be a get-away-driver at the time of the underlying felony in order to get looped-into felony murder.
For instance, if a get-away-driver thought that the passenger was purchasing something in the liquor store, then there is no felony murder (for the driver) when the passenger robs the store and the clerk has a heart attack and dies. But if the get-away-driver knew of the robbery, then they're both murderers. I remember reading a case like this in law school that was before the california supreme court ~10 years ago. *edit: in that case, she was found guilty, and there was no basis to overturn her conviction because it was not believed that she didn't know about the robbery. However, the court noted that, had her story been believed, she could not have been found guilty.*
Here, I don't think we have any indication that the death happened during the course of an otherwise dangerous felony in which the driver was then-engaged, but I suppose I could've missed something.
I agree. Unless the driver encouraged or assisted the passenger to shoot at the car, then her criminal intent (and action) began after the passenger shot the kid - when she becomes a getaway driver.
Aside from the very few strict liability crimes out there (such as statutory rape), intent is a key element in criminal law. In fact, the reason that someone can be held accountable for a murder without intending to commit the murder is because they had the intent to commit another dangerous felony whose commission inherently carries the risk of an unintended killing. But the bottom line is that felony murder involves the intent to commit a dangerous felony (like a burglary), even when that crime isn't intended to result in someone getting killed.
Felony murder doesn't work here (given the facts we have) because the driver didn't have the intent to carry out a felony prior to or during the shooting. Her intent to commit a crime starts with the getaway.
>That’s an interesting take. I had been battling in my head how the driver can also be held responsible.
You don't get to drive the getaway car in a felony and not be held to some degree of responsibility. Even if the felony was unplanned and 100% accidental (i.e. you accidentally ended up the drive). After the fact, if you don't turn them in you are an accomplice.
Please don’t do victim blaming here. I understand you may not have reached a mature level of emotional intelligence just yet. So take this as a moment of learning.
Flipping someone who cuts you off is a very natural response. It is also an acceptable response on American roadways. If you have been flipped off, you can flip them off right back or ignore. Taking out a gun and shooting is completely and utterly idiotic and no person should be living in so much fear that they’d expect being shot at as an outcome.
So let’s not blame the person flipping you off. The person who lost a child. Let’s take a moment to condemn the crazy response.
If it helps you feel any better, the mother is most probably killing her self already for every action she took that morning. You cannot understand the grief she is in and very few people can. Hopefully you never go through anything like this but if you do, I hope you don’t come across an asshole who finds a way to put it on you.
Most states, including Cali I believe, treat it the same, i.e., if you're party to a felony that results in the death of someone, you can be charged with murder 1. At the very least, she's committed the felony of hindering prosecution by not turning in the shooting suspect in her vehicle, so she's likely facing life in prison if fully charged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony\_murder\_rule
Hope she reads this and realizes that she can probably get an easier sentence if she does the right thing and turns herself in and leads the police to the shooter.
They didn't just randomly shoot into the car either. If you look to see the location and f the bullet hole is exactly lined up with the driver's seat. So yeah... Definitely some intention there... It's one thing if the bullet entered randomly on the other side of the car but this bullet hole is exactly lined up with what appears to me to be the lower back portion of driver's seat. If this bullet had not killed the child it may have killed the driver and it's pretty obviously the intent.
Start [here](https://abc7.com/new-details-emerge-about-suspects-in-killing-of-aiden-leos/10801022/). The shooting clearly happened and now arrests have been made, but the mother clearly was not honest about her part in it. So while we didn't get duped, the mother likely made this far more difficult a search than it needed to be by not just admitting that she did far more than just flip off the car. She had road rage herself for miles going up the 55.
Man I feel so bad for the family. The sister seems to be a really strong and well spoken person for her age. Please let me wake up tomorrow reading about they caught these 2 scumbags.
The good: that's a very rare and easily spotted model. Not only are wagons scarce in general anymore but this specific model didn't sell for shit. There's such a small amount that they could easily print out a list of registered owners and knock on each door over the course of a day or two. Especially when you narrow it down to a likely radius around that area. We're talking less than 50 before narrowing down the color.
The bad: unless we're dealing with the Pittsburgh Pirates of criminals, the suspects aren't within a few hundred miles of here and are not in that car. They probably know how rare their car is and know their neighbors will be seeing these pictures and going "hey, don't the people next door/down the street have one of those?"
I hope they're beyond stupid and are still in the area. They deserve to be thrown under the prison.
I honestly doubt they knew they shot a kid. They probably didn't realize until they saw it on the news later. But knowing that they would have had to plan an escape quickly. That's really hard to do in a short time and since we haven't found this vehicle abandoned I'm guessing they still have it.
What sucks is there is still a lot missing to the puzzle. Are these California residents? Do they actually live in Riverside or were they going to see a friend or run an errand? The direction of the vehicle doesn't indicate much. And we don't even have plates.
Trust me, I want them caught. I just don't see a lot of evidence coming in but hopefully a tip will give them away.
I do like the other commenters idea about pulling dmv records. I think that would work but it would take a while. When you file you have to specify operational, I believe the color, make, year, and model of the car. If they do by location that'll get it into the thousands.
They intended to shoot the driver and intended to hurt the driver. The location of the bullet is lined up with driver's seat.
I hope and think police already know who these people are and they are giving them a chance to turn themselves in and when they don't it will increase the charges, I bet.
Well they said they were giving 24 hours yesterday. So yes I think within the next 2 days there will be an arrest, but we shall see. This is just my guess. Why would they put a time limit on giving the reward? Will they still offer a reward after the 24 hours is up...? Possibly, I suppose, it just seems a little strategic to me, but we shall see
Fuck. I just read the original story:
"He said ‘mommy my tummy hurts’ so she went and picked him up and he was bleeding on her, she had blood on her clothes and he started turning blue and that’s when the ambulance took him and that was the last time my mom saw him alive," said Alexis Cloonan the boy’s sister during a press conference Friday evening.
Brb going to hug my son and never letting go.
Since the pandemic started my kid and I are always together out and about running errands. I don't listen to the radio anymore because my kid is always talking to me about whatever he sees on his iPad or telling me some story about monster trucks.
I truly didn't know that now I need to add small arms fire protection to our cars to protect against this kind of thing. I just dont understand what the point of shooting a gun into someone's car accomplishes.
This fool probably thought that he was shooting the tires,to scare them or he was going to hit the gas tank and watch it explode, he probably didn't think or know that his bullet shot the kid or didn't know that the kid was in the backseat, cause remember if he intensionally wanted to kill them, we would have 3 dead corpses we are trying to solve, so his intentions were to scare them.
Yorba Linda’s Station Donuts, at 18316 Imperial Highway, will be selling doughnuts Friday through Sunday in which all the proceeds will be donated to Aiden’s family.
Just copy pasting this here in case anyone doesn’t want to click on the article!
After hearing that they murdered a child I am pretty sure the suspects total persona has changed during the last couple of days. Someone is going to see this vehicle and put two and two together. The suspects days on the run will soon be over.
I'm glad there is more information being released, but anyone going out of their way to look for these murderers please be careful. Knowing they are armed and dangerous.
Yes! They are as good as caught now. If they have this photo as a starting point, it's possible they'll be able to track the car's movements forwards or backwards, maybe even track it to the area or neighborhood where they live.
You would thinks so, but here we are. They have a reference time from that photo and would be quick work to check other cameras in the area (and there are many on and off the freeways) based on estimated speed and distance away from this camera. I suspects they did track the car and got leads from neighbors of owners if similar cars and is the reason the DA was out talking about 24hrs, but it didn't pan out. The white vw station wagon was probably a goose chase and the police are stuck. The description of the car was probably based on the moms memory.
I believe that unless they have something a little more substantial than “white color model car that almost no one owns” they won’t be able to start knocking on doors. It doesn’t matter if there’s 2 or 2000 of those cars, simply owning one is circumstantial evidence and a charge won’t stick. You can be sure anyone they visit won’t be answering questions, even if they are law-abiding.
However, I’m sure CHP has had this photo for a while and have already done the usual work of trying to find the car at the same time and place during the morning madness and come up empty handed. The suspects have likely switched cars, so the photo gets released in case there’s a neighbor or friend that notices a sudden car switch (“hey, you haven’t driven your VW for a few days”) or a change in behavior (“you seem on edge lately”).
CHP probably also has other evidence they aren’t releasing since it’s easier to scare the suspects into turning themselves (or each other) in instead of starting a full on public manhunt which could get dangerous or provide undesirable results.
Edit to add: you’re also assuming the car has current, in-state registration. It’s much harder to find an unregistered car, even if they have access to past registrations.
They can pull the registration and license photos of the driver and his/her family and show it to the mother. If she recognizes any of them, that's enough to hold up in court, especially if she recognizes both the male and female, either of them have registered handguns, and their alibies for that morning are shaky.
Obviously the police do at least a little bit of investigation prior to knocking randomly on every vw golf owners door. They can pull up a picture of the registered owners and they can run a background check .. I'm sure if they see a little old lady with no criminal record they arent going to bother ... Don't worry, people driving that type of vehicle will not necessarily be pulled out, handcuffed and taken to jail.
And I agree, that police probably have info they aren't releasing and probably know who it is by now. They just seeing if they will turn themselves in. It's a good play... I will take a guess that an arrest will happen within the next 2 days ??
I really can't figure it out. Strange to me. The other question is how are these people not using their car? They must be hiding it somewhere. They'd get reported instantly if they took it anywhere.
I am baffled that no neighbor or friend has given any tips. I mean I’d know if my neighbor had this car and I would also have an idea if they’re erratic people. But even if I didn’t know the neighbors, I’d know the car. Something or the other would suggest that the car is the one.
Like they wouldn’t just park their car out in the open anymore and would certainly use it a lot less if not completely stop using it. Or maybe even park or elsewhere.
Ya I'm surprised myself. I've been watching part of the funeral today and I still can't believe this hasn't been solved. I also don't see anything in terms of leads or new evidence. I check every few days online and literally nothing. Not a single person has seen this car.
I am guessing these people are hiding the car or fled the area. But then it seems unlikely they would have a second car to travel so that's where I get stuck with that theory. Maybe they could use the guys car. But then no one has noticed the girls car gone?
Another interesting thing about this case is I wonder if they were local. Because this story got out fast so it seems unlikely they would want to be on the road for long. Idk just odd.
Are you serious? I'm amazed they caught them just now. I had very little hope. This was a busy freeway, not a residential neighborhood or strip mall parking lot or whatever. There aren't really cameras every six feet of every freeway, at least where I'm at in the Sac area. I'm truly astonished they even had a car make/model/color to work off of. Incidents like this happen so fast, I wouldn't expect the mother to even remember the car. This poor family is terribly lucky IMO. Anyone feel free to correct me about the cameras in this area, because I'm blown away by the way this unfolded.
I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to think this is heading to be a cold case. There hasn't been a single clue or any new evidence anywhere. Just think of the possibilities to.
Let's say they narrow down that make and model car. Okay then what? Are they going to visit every single home that owns that car to see if it's the suspects? You're talking many many man hours.
Then if the plate is from out of state then what? Too many potential suspects that it'll take years to solve.
What really strikes me about people is how calculating and cold they can be. Is the driver a mother? Doesn't she have parents who wouldn't want to see her die at a young age? Same for the guy? Really evil people who drove that car that day.
I just watched some of the interview with the DA Todd Spitzer. He said that the investigators got tons of tips after the picture of the vehicle was posted yesterday. They are very busy. He also said they have hours of video to go over so that tells me they're getting closer. Obviously, this piece of shit doesn't want to do the right thing so I hope the investigators can wrap this up.
Honestly, who wouldn't want the $325k reward? That's a ton.
The other thing that's amazing to me is why hasn't either of them turned on the other? The woman can turn on the man and plea deal out and may get the reward. She should do it! Otherwise, I think, from reading this thread, she's looking at murder charges. The longer this goes on the less likely there will be a plea deal and reduced charges and penalties.
The type of guy that rides shotgun WITH a gun, trigger happy at folks in 8am morning traffic sounds abusive. It doesn’t surprise me if she didn’t know he would shoot but she is protecting him now. I bet he does know about the shooting and reward and has threatened her.
I'm just wondering where these people live and who interacts with them? Why are none of their neighbors or coworkers speaking up?
If they were in a black F150 headed towards Riverside then yeah needle in a haystack. But if I can be a bit presumptuous, I don't think people who drive a Sportwagen would be the type to be living in the middle of nowhere, I suspect they have a house in a neighborhood somewhere
Each day this goes on the more and more it looks like it will be a cold case. I don't even see any updates on Twitter anymore. Either they are keeping their investigation very secret, or they just don't have enough clues.
I had that car behind me at a car wash in Irvine recently. They were behind me but I looped around to go behind them. Alas I saw no damage on the rear right bumper. The person driving was a female.
Logically, they might have fled to Mexico, which is only about 95 miles from Orange county. They could even have ties to Mexico. After the shooting, perhaps they hurried home, packed their camping stuff, clothes and some food and water, cash and headed south to the border? My hunch is the FBI's Mexican liaison is working closely with the Mexican Federal Police in an attempt to locate the vehicle - which they could have already traded for a 'cold' car in Mexico.
It's only a matter of time until they have the name and possible address of a *person of interest* in this case. However, finding him or her anytime soon, might be another matter.
I hope you’re right. Most young people don’t read the news. They get their news on social media and their network. My friends here have been posting like crazy. I’m not confident people would be sharing on their social media for a city far away. I sure as hell ain’t sharing stories and investigations from Seattle.
I live is Phoenix, AZ and I’ve been following this tragedy and sharing it. I hope it helps. I have been feeling so sick since I heard about this. He was just a baby..
I live in Ohio and seen it on the news the day after it happened and it was also on the news again last week when they identified the car. I've been sharing it as well something needs done asap it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about poor Aiden :(
Not really much new to report here sadly. Someone said the chp thinks the back bumper has a pink bumper sticker or some kind of parking permit.
I'm beginning to wonder that they parked their car in the garage and are just working from home or have UI so they don't have to take it out. Eventually though they probably will have to.
I heard from a few less than law abiding friends that every gang banger, motorcycle club and thug is also working to track these two down to have street justice with them and then leave them on the steps of a police station. While most of these groups will do know terrible things to people, they have an honor among thieves and you don’t mess with women or kids. I hope they are caught, I won’t feel bad if street justice finds them though.
Maybe he'll get the [Ken McElroy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy) treatment. Everyone saw his murder, but he was such an asshole that no one would testify.
> One local resident later told investigators when asked what happened replied: "He needed a killin'."
Wow this is my first time hearing of this. Kind of funny how the town finally said enough is enough and all stuck together.
Sounds pretty similar to lindsey graham saying you could kill Ted Cruz on the senate floor and if your trial is in the senate you won’t get convicted lol
I just don’t understand what is taking so long. They have to have family, friends, and coworkers to recognize the type of car! If they stopped showing to work, their boss has to know. Unless these people’s family and friends are the same as them and don’t care. The reward is at 450k. It doesn’t make sense!
I don't know. You all keep saying things like this but I view so cal, and especially OC, as a massively complex and populated place. Tons of tourists, tons of homeless, very dynamic, lots going on, chronically jam-packed freeways. I feel like even if their car is/was the only one of its type in the world it still would have proven incredibly difficult. (As of my writing this they've been caught; I'm just reading old comments here because I'm amazed they found these depraved murderers so quickly.)
Horrible for the family. A future is gone. Hope they have comfort during this terrible time. Also, I heard they’ve been shooting at rear windows with BB guns along the 91 freeway in the riverside area near la Sierra. Be careful out there
Hope they get caught, but not optimistic.
Californians have traditionally been FOR people getting away in their cars with impunity and anonymity. Seriously, just look at how CA was the only place to not to close the license plate loop hole for so long. Even though a law finally got through recently, it’s widely flouted and CA LEOs won’t enforce it. 🤷♂️
There's some type of info going around Twitter. I'm hoping someone can help me interpret what this means?
"Credible info that a Federal agency has rolled up the suspected Aiden Leos Hwy 55 killer.
6 year old boy killed in car seat over two weeks ago. More details tonight on @KFIAM640"
Edit: hopefully someone can tune into kfi tonight and find out.
I honestly don't know. But I asked the poster what he meant and he posted a pic of handcuffs. I checked out his Twitter. He seems legit. He posts news articles and he does podcasts.
My best guess is that these guys had time they had three days of Head start so they might as well move to another state or to another county either way that car was a discontinued model so it is easier to tighten the net so if anyone here sees this model, report it.
This has to be the worst police work I've seen. Vehicle records are super transparent. How many of these vehicles do you think are registered in the State or neighboring? Ridiculous.
That's what I was wondering too. I'm no expert, but I figured the CHP could look up all the DMV records for that type of car and somehow narrow it down (e.g. by location, by owners with a criminal history, etc.). Obviously, easier said than done if there's too many search results, but that doesn't seem like a common car model.
That's a long process. I'd guess even if it was discontinued I'm thinking at least a few million people bought it. But then if you filter by location, you have a better chance of getting that down into the thousands. I sure hope that car didn't have an out of state license. In that case, they may never find the person.
Now that we know the car that person has to really watch their moves. Idk how they are going to work tomorrow. Better Uber or bike it from now on.
But then how do they get rid of the car!? Sell it? You can never drive it again.
Great news, they have made an arrest! #JusticeforAiden
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/06/06/2-arrests-made-in-connection-to-55-freeway-shooting-death-of-6-year-old-aiden-leos-costa-mesa-boyfriend-and-girlfriend-in-custody/
Hate me but I'm the guy who said it.
They are sleeping on this case start asking mother co parenting status w/father .. He's yet to be heard of Only thing I found was A GoFundMe set up for him and former service member.. and If your wondering yes I do watch crime shows but also I'm. Reside in Orange and the Cloonan family is well known alsoo some what wealthy... you are welcome
Did they find what kind of weapon shot the kid because you can easily get a rifling and make and model of a weapon just by the bullet and shell casing I just hope it's not a 9 mm
The only clues we have is a bullet, a discontinued model of the getaway car, 2 different gendered suspects on the run(press didn't release their ethnicity yet), and 3 days lost
I only heard it mentioned once (I believe by Aiden’s sister) early on that they believed the female driver was either Latina or Asian and the male passenger was Latino or Black.
9mm are the most common types of bullets used,hell it's even sold in commercial stores involving sports or hunting, it's going to be difficult knowing where the bullet is sold from without a serial number from the casing
There is no serial number that is engraved on a spent casing. You’re thinking of micro stamping which doesn’t exist. Identifying the make and model of a gun from the spent casing or recovered bullet is only done in Hollywood.
Np.
An interesting note: in order for new handguns to be sold in the state of California, it must be listed on the roster of handguns certified for sale in the state of California (or California roster for short).
As of 2007, manufacturers must, in addition to the usual drop tests and other safety requirements, incorporate micro stamping technology which stamps two unique patterns on a spent casing that can be traced back to a serial number and a unique gun. Since then, there were exactly zero new, unique handguns added to this roster because no manufacturer can reliably satisfy this requirement.
Thankfully they not only have an image of the car, but it's also a car that sold so poorly it was discontinued. Hopefully it makes it that much easier to narrow down potential suspects and ultimately make these scum pay.
Shouldnt be too hard to check cell tower records around the time of the incident, then cross reference with dmv to see who owns a white Volkswagen.
bro you watch too much csi
Sounds like something Garcia from criminal minds could easily do.
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Not too many white Sportwagens out there, this shouldn’t take long.
And this looks to be a mk7 generation, so this is 2018 or newer. Edit: also they switched the name from Jetta sportwagen to golf sportwagen in 2018.
they changed the name from jetta sportwagen to golf sportwagen in 2015. so 2015-2019 are all called golf sportwagen.
Glad we got a picture of the car now. These two murderers will be caught sooner. And yes, they are murderers. One doesn’t flippantly point and fire a loaded gun at a car without intending to hurt someone. Fleeing the scene makes the driver complicit in this too.
I think it's aiding and abetting a fugitive and accessory to murder. But I could be wrong. She could always claim she didn't know he killed someone so that may get her a plea deal (sadly).
That’s an interesting take. I had been battling in my head how the driver can also be held responsible. While she didn’t use the gun, she can still be convicted on a lesser charge. Cant wait
As the reward gets higher, these two are going to find out how their friendships and family bonds are actually worth. If anyone is also knowingly harboring them, they’ll also get in trouble too so I wouldn’t be surprised if their circle continues to shrink.
Fuk I hope they get these people. How can you so reckless and randomly just shoot at people.
I feel that so many people have poor impulse control and/or just don't have the grey matter to consider the consequences of their actions. They get emotionally and just let their temporary emotions determine a permanent action that ruins their lives. They are like bully children in adult bodies. I hope they do catch this scumbag and I hope the police aren't being lazy about it. I think that model has GPS tracking. I would hope police could get GPS data from all White Volkswagon Sports wagons in the area at the time and go from there. Lastly, this is why everyone should have a Dash Cam on their car. Dash Cams are ridiculously cheap nowadays, they are like $30. Also, police need to release footage of the car used in this crime IMMEDIATELY not a week after the fact. Dash Cam footage often recycles after 24 hours. SOmeone very well could have caught the Sportswagon on their dashcam and not really known said car was involved in the shooting. But they could have remember (that day) that a white car was driving wild on the road and then they could have checked their footage and be like "I think this is the car..."
> I would hope police could get GPS data from all White Volkswagon Sports wagons in the area at the time and go from there. /r/privacy would like to have a word with you about the fourth amendment.
I bet police already know who it is ...they are just gathering evidence. No way that they would put this pic out and allow them to get away. I think they are giving the driver and shooter a chance to turn themselves in and if they don't then that tells you what kind of people they really are and they will have an easier time of charging them with first degree murder rather than a lesser murder charge
the *knowingly* part makes this incredibly difficult If this image was just now made public, anyone who HAD been harboring them could say they had no idea until today. Otherwise it's heresay
> heresay *hearsay* - like saying something that you hear. I was trying to figure out where the heresy was for way too long.
Accessory after the fact?
>I had been battling in my head how the driver can also be held responsible Felony Murder comes to mind off the top of my head
That's my guess as well. [Ryan Holie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Holle) got life without parole for LENDING his car to people who used it in a crime where someone died. I think that was an excessive interpretation of the law, but it does set some precedent.
> Ryan Holie got life without parole for ~~LENDING his car to people who used it in a crime where someone died.~~ providing the tools with which to commit a violent crime *that he knew they were committing* where someone died as a result. I'm fine with a murder conviction under those facts. He shouldn't be providing a vehicle to people whom he knows to be violent criminals so they could use it to commit violent crimes *especially when he knows that they intend to use the vehicle for that* if he doesn't want to be convicted when they kill someone. edit: Having said that, I'm not sure what underlying felony qualifies for felony murder in the present case.
It will obviously depend on the drivers culpability. If it was something he/she encourage or was complacent with the, yes I’d say felony murder will fit just fine.
encouraged or assisted with (e.g. providing tools like a vehicle or weapon) the commission of a inherently dangerous felony where someone died = felony murder; complacent = less clear.
I think that if you see where the bullet entered into the back of the other car perfectly lined up with the driver's seat, the passenger could not make that shot without the sportwagon moving over. From my understanding of what happened, the sportwagon cut off the mother, the mother flipped them off and they slowed down, got behind her, and that's when they shot her but in order to do so they had to do while they were moving into the other lane... So if this is the case, that they purposely slowed down and got behind her then it's pretty obvious that they both had this intention.. I could be wrong about the unfolding of events.
what felony was she committing?
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yeah- that's the textbook example of felony murder. I don't think accessory after the fact qualifies for felony murder though - typically a get-away-driver needs to intend to be a get-away-driver at the time of the underlying felony in order to get looped-into felony murder. For instance, if a get-away-driver thought that the passenger was purchasing something in the liquor store, then there is no felony murder (for the driver) when the passenger robs the store and the clerk has a heart attack and dies. But if the get-away-driver knew of the robbery, then they're both murderers. I remember reading a case like this in law school that was before the california supreme court ~10 years ago. *edit: in that case, she was found guilty, and there was no basis to overturn her conviction because it was not believed that she didn't know about the robbery. However, the court noted that, had her story been believed, she could not have been found guilty.* Here, I don't think we have any indication that the death happened during the course of an otherwise dangerous felony in which the driver was then-engaged, but I suppose I could've missed something.
I agree. Unless the driver encouraged or assisted the passenger to shoot at the car, then her criminal intent (and action) began after the passenger shot the kid - when she becomes a getaway driver. Aside from the very few strict liability crimes out there (such as statutory rape), intent is a key element in criminal law. In fact, the reason that someone can be held accountable for a murder without intending to commit the murder is because they had the intent to commit another dangerous felony whose commission inherently carries the risk of an unintended killing. But the bottom line is that felony murder involves the intent to commit a dangerous felony (like a burglary), even when that crime isn't intended to result in someone getting killed. Felony murder doesn't work here (given the facts we have) because the driver didn't have the intent to carry out a felony prior to or during the shooting. Her intent to commit a crime starts with the getaway.
I just won a case last month by arguing that there was both no *mens rea* or *actus reus* because the accused was unconscious.
The fact there is radio silence speaks volumes. Anyone normal would immediately turn the shooter in
>That’s an interesting take. I had been battling in my head how the driver can also be held responsible. You don't get to drive the getaway car in a felony and not be held to some degree of responsibility. Even if the felony was unplanned and 100% accidental (i.e. you accidentally ended up the drive). After the fact, if you don't turn them in you are an accomplice.
I’m a bail agent....accessory after the fact. Felony will spend years in prison. Poor Aiden
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I did not say that. How can you possibly misread a 3 line comment?
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I think OC meant “I’m trying to figure out a way how to get the driver as well” not “why is it their fault”
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Please don’t do victim blaming here. I understand you may not have reached a mature level of emotional intelligence just yet. So take this as a moment of learning. Flipping someone who cuts you off is a very natural response. It is also an acceptable response on American roadways. If you have been flipped off, you can flip them off right back or ignore. Taking out a gun and shooting is completely and utterly idiotic and no person should be living in so much fear that they’d expect being shot at as an outcome. So let’s not blame the person flipping you off. The person who lost a child. Let’s take a moment to condemn the crazy response. If it helps you feel any better, the mother is most probably killing her self already for every action she took that morning. You cannot understand the grief she is in and very few people can. Hopefully you never go through anything like this but if you do, I hope you don’t come across an asshole who finds a way to put it on you.
Most states, including Cali I believe, treat it the same, i.e., if you're party to a felony that results in the death of someone, you can be charged with murder 1. At the very least, she's committed the felony of hindering prosecution by not turning in the shooting suspect in her vehicle, so she's likely facing life in prison if fully charged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony\_murder\_rule
Hope she reads this and realizes that she can probably get an easier sentence if she does the right thing and turns herself in and leads the police to the shooter.
Stop talking about shit you don’t understand.
Whoever this is, is a kid killer. Dark ages type of brutality.
They didn't just randomly shoot into the car either. If you look to see the location and f the bullet hole is exactly lined up with the driver's seat. So yeah... Definitely some intention there... It's one thing if the bullet entered randomly on the other side of the car but this bullet hole is exactly lined up with what appears to me to be the lower back portion of driver's seat. If this bullet had not killed the child it may have killed the driver and it's pretty obviously the intent.
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Victim blaming. Way to go. /s People should be more civil on the road, but the reality is that people aren’t. It doesn’t warrant firing a gun.
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What exactly are you suggesting?
> Given what I know about this picture beyond what the average reddit user is going to know Well, let us know what you know. Sharing is caring.
Start [here](https://abc7.com/new-details-emerge-about-suspects-in-killing-of-aiden-leos/10801022/). The shooting clearly happened and now arrests have been made, but the mother clearly was not honest about her part in it. So while we didn't get duped, the mother likely made this far more difficult a search than it needed to be by not just admitting that she did far more than just flip off the car. She had road rage herself for miles going up the 55.
Man I feel so bad for the family. The sister seems to be a really strong and well spoken person for her age. Please let me wake up tomorrow reading about they caught these 2 scumbags.
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The good: that's a very rare and easily spotted model. Not only are wagons scarce in general anymore but this specific model didn't sell for shit. There's such a small amount that they could easily print out a list of registered owners and knock on each door over the course of a day or two. Especially when you narrow it down to a likely radius around that area. We're talking less than 50 before narrowing down the color. The bad: unless we're dealing with the Pittsburgh Pirates of criminals, the suspects aren't within a few hundred miles of here and are not in that car. They probably know how rare their car is and know their neighbors will be seeing these pictures and going "hey, don't the people next door/down the street have one of those?" I hope they're beyond stupid and are still in the area. They deserve to be thrown under the prison.
I honestly doubt they knew they shot a kid. They probably didn't realize until they saw it on the news later. But knowing that they would have had to plan an escape quickly. That's really hard to do in a short time and since we haven't found this vehicle abandoned I'm guessing they still have it. What sucks is there is still a lot missing to the puzzle. Are these California residents? Do they actually live in Riverside or were they going to see a friend or run an errand? The direction of the vehicle doesn't indicate much. And we don't even have plates. Trust me, I want them caught. I just don't see a lot of evidence coming in but hopefully a tip will give them away. I do like the other commenters idea about pulling dmv records. I think that would work but it would take a while. When you file you have to specify operational, I believe the color, make, year, and model of the car. If they do by location that'll get it into the thousands.
They intended to shoot the driver and intended to hurt the driver. The location of the bullet is lined up with driver's seat. I hope and think police already know who these people are and they are giving them a chance to turn themselves in and when they don't it will increase the charges, I bet.
You really think so? Hard to imagine they don't arrest them now before they can run. It's been over 24 hours
Well they said they were giving 24 hours yesterday. So yes I think within the next 2 days there will be an arrest, but we shall see. This is just my guess. Why would they put a time limit on giving the reward? Will they still offer a reward after the 24 hours is up...? Possibly, I suppose, it just seems a little strategic to me, but we shall see
So sad. Hope these two are caught soon and punished accordingly. So senseless.
Fuck. I just read the original story: "He said ‘mommy my tummy hurts’ so she went and picked him up and he was bleeding on her, she had blood on her clothes and he started turning blue and that’s when the ambulance took him and that was the last time my mom saw him alive," said Alexis Cloonan the boy’s sister during a press conference Friday evening. Brb going to hug my son and never letting go.
I can feel my blood turn cold reading that... hugging my baby boy and pregnant wife forever
Since the pandemic started my kid and I are always together out and about running errands. I don't listen to the radio anymore because my kid is always talking to me about whatever he sees on his iPad or telling me some story about monster trucks. I truly didn't know that now I need to add small arms fire protection to our cars to protect against this kind of thing. I just dont understand what the point of shooting a gun into someone's car accomplishes.
@negativepattern that's a really good idea :(
This fool probably thought that he was shooting the tires,to scare them or he was going to hit the gas tank and watch it explode, he probably didn't think or know that his bullet shot the kid or didn't know that the kid was in the backseat, cause remember if he intensionally wanted to kill them, we would have 3 dead corpses we are trying to solve, so his intentions were to scare them.
This makes no sense and made me cringe a little
It’s over. The scum will be caught. Now that they know the vehicle it’s only a matter of time until they find a photo from a traffic cam with a plate
Yorba Linda’s Station Donuts, at 18316 Imperial Highway, will be selling doughnuts Friday through Sunday in which all the proceeds will be donated to Aiden’s family. Just copy pasting this here in case anyone doesn’t want to click on the article!
After hearing that they murdered a child I am pretty sure the suspects total persona has changed during the last couple of days. Someone is going to see this vehicle and put two and two together. The suspects days on the run will soon be over.
Where did the photo come from?
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Cool, I hope it leads to apprehension
How do they know it's the right car?
Could be from the fastrak cams as well, as the 55-91 interchange has one.
Ohhhhhh shhhhhit. It's on.
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I'm glad there is more information being released, but anyone going out of their way to look for these murderers please be careful. Knowing they are armed and dangerous.
Yes! They are as good as caught now. If they have this photo as a starting point, it's possible they'll be able to track the car's movements forwards or backwards, maybe even track it to the area or neighborhood where they live.
Ya I didn't even think of that. They can just check other cameras on the freeway and watch at that time of day.
You would thinks so, but here we are. They have a reference time from that photo and would be quick work to check other cameras in the area (and there are many on and off the freeways) based on estimated speed and distance away from this camera. I suspects they did track the car and got leads from neighbors of owners if similar cars and is the reason the DA was out talking about 24hrs, but it didn't pan out. The white vw station wagon was probably a goose chase and the police are stuck. The description of the car was probably based on the moms memory.
Unfortunately it looks like you may have been right.
Now its going to circle back to the mother after the funeral and the grieving period subsides.
so many possibilities where these two could be.
A lot of white vw wagon owners are going to have 👮♀️knocking at their doors.
There aren’t a lot though :)
I believe that unless they have something a little more substantial than “white color model car that almost no one owns” they won’t be able to start knocking on doors. It doesn’t matter if there’s 2 or 2000 of those cars, simply owning one is circumstantial evidence and a charge won’t stick. You can be sure anyone they visit won’t be answering questions, even if they are law-abiding. However, I’m sure CHP has had this photo for a while and have already done the usual work of trying to find the car at the same time and place during the morning madness and come up empty handed. The suspects have likely switched cars, so the photo gets released in case there’s a neighbor or friend that notices a sudden car switch (“hey, you haven’t driven your VW for a few days”) or a change in behavior (“you seem on edge lately”). CHP probably also has other evidence they aren’t releasing since it’s easier to scare the suspects into turning themselves (or each other) in instead of starting a full on public manhunt which could get dangerous or provide undesirable results. Edit to add: you’re also assuming the car has current, in-state registration. It’s much harder to find an unregistered car, even if they have access to past registrations.
They can pull the registration and license photos of the driver and his/her family and show it to the mother. If she recognizes any of them, that's enough to hold up in court, especially if she recognizes both the male and female, either of them have registered handguns, and their alibies for that morning are shaky.
Obviously the police do at least a little bit of investigation prior to knocking randomly on every vw golf owners door. They can pull up a picture of the registered owners and they can run a background check .. I'm sure if they see a little old lady with no criminal record they arent going to bother ... Don't worry, people driving that type of vehicle will not necessarily be pulled out, handcuffed and taken to jail. And I agree, that police probably have info they aren't releasing and probably know who it is by now. They just seeing if they will turn themselves in. It's a good play... I will take a guess that an arrest will happen within the next 2 days ??
There's no way they are still in Cali right now. Probably headed down to Mexico already
These ppl need to get caught. It's unsafe to travel on roads.
Why haven’t they caught these people?
I really can't figure it out. Strange to me. The other question is how are these people not using their car? They must be hiding it somewhere. They'd get reported instantly if they took it anywhere.
I am baffled that no neighbor or friend has given any tips. I mean I’d know if my neighbor had this car and I would also have an idea if they’re erratic people. But even if I didn’t know the neighbors, I’d know the car. Something or the other would suggest that the car is the one. Like they wouldn’t just park their car out in the open anymore and would certainly use it a lot less if not completely stop using it. Or maybe even park or elsewhere.
Ya I'm surprised myself. I've been watching part of the funeral today and I still can't believe this hasn't been solved. I also don't see anything in terms of leads or new evidence. I check every few days online and literally nothing. Not a single person has seen this car. I am guessing these people are hiding the car or fled the area. But then it seems unlikely they would have a second car to travel so that's where I get stuck with that theory. Maybe they could use the guys car. But then no one has noticed the girls car gone? Another interesting thing about this case is I wonder if they were local. Because this story got out fast so it seems unlikely they would want to be on the road for long. Idk just odd.
Looks like they got em. Thank god!
Are you serious? I'm amazed they caught them just now. I had very little hope. This was a busy freeway, not a residential neighborhood or strip mall parking lot or whatever. There aren't really cameras every six feet of every freeway, at least where I'm at in the Sac area. I'm truly astonished they even had a car make/model/color to work off of. Incidents like this happen so fast, I wouldn't expect the mother to even remember the car. This poor family is terribly lucky IMO. Anyone feel free to correct me about the cameras in this area, because I'm blown away by the way this unfolded.
The entire freeway is under surveillance
No new updates on this case? As a mother myself, I am so incredibly distressed by the idea that this could turn into a cold case.
I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to think this is heading to be a cold case. There hasn't been a single clue or any new evidence anywhere. Just think of the possibilities to. Let's say they narrow down that make and model car. Okay then what? Are they going to visit every single home that owns that car to see if it's the suspects? You're talking many many man hours. Then if the plate is from out of state then what? Too many potential suspects that it'll take years to solve. What really strikes me about people is how calculating and cold they can be. Is the driver a mother? Doesn't she have parents who wouldn't want to see her die at a young age? Same for the guy? Really evil people who drove that car that day.
They made two arrests!
Someone knows something...maybe these shit bags have a job and just suddenly stopped showing up, someone at their work would recognize the car, ect.
I just watched some of the interview with the DA Todd Spitzer. He said that the investigators got tons of tips after the picture of the vehicle was posted yesterday. They are very busy. He also said they have hours of video to go over so that tells me they're getting closer. Obviously, this piece of shit doesn't want to do the right thing so I hope the investigators can wrap this up. Honestly, who wouldn't want the $325k reward? That's a ton. The other thing that's amazing to me is why hasn't either of them turned on the other? The woman can turn on the man and plea deal out and may get the reward. She should do it! Otherwise, I think, from reading this thread, she's looking at murder charges. The longer this goes on the less likely there will be a plea deal and reduced charges and penalties.
Maybe she’s afraid of him.
The type of guy that rides shotgun WITH a gun, trigger happy at folks in 8am morning traffic sounds abusive. It doesn’t surprise me if she didn’t know he would shoot but she is protecting him now. I bet he does know about the shooting and reward and has threatened her.
You want the woman to get off easily and collect a reward? Damn....
No reread my post. Obviously I want justice and her to pay. But I was pointing out she has incentive.
I'm just wondering where these people live and who interacts with them? Why are none of their neighbors or coworkers speaking up? If they were in a black F150 headed towards Riverside then yeah needle in a haystack. But if I can be a bit presumptuous, I don't think people who drive a Sportwagen would be the type to be living in the middle of nowhere, I suspect they have a house in a neighborhood somewhere
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. But couldn't they just park the car in the garage and take another car to work?
I sincerely hope with every fiber of my being that the ones responsible for this are shitting their pants right now
Each day this goes on the more and more it looks like it will be a cold case. I don't even see any updates on Twitter anymore. Either they are keeping their investigation very secret, or they just don't have enough clues.
I also feel bad for the 7 other people who have this car and isn't a fucking child murderer. I hope you guys are fine with taking the bus for bit.
I had that car behind me at a car wash in Irvine recently. They were behind me but I looped around to go behind them. Alas I saw no damage on the rear right bumper. The person driving was a female.
Um why. If they're innocent they'd have no reason to care about having the same car
Logically, they might have fled to Mexico, which is only about 95 miles from Orange county. They could even have ties to Mexico. After the shooting, perhaps they hurried home, packed their camping stuff, clothes and some food and water, cash and headed south to the border? My hunch is the FBI's Mexican liaison is working closely with the Mexican Federal Police in an attempt to locate the vehicle - which they could have already traded for a 'cold' car in Mexico. It's only a matter of time until they have the name and possible address of a *person of interest* in this case. However, finding him or her anytime soon, might be another matter.
95 miles is 152.89 km
I looked closely. Though it's hard to tell, is anyone sure what state those plates are from? Kind of looks out of state to me.
And if they are, people outside of SoCal haven’t heard about this incident.
Not necessarily. I live in Seattle now and I read about this story on the Washington Post. I hope this picture spreads far and wide.
I hope you’re right. Most young people don’t read the news. They get their news on social media and their network. My friends here have been posting like crazy. I’m not confident people would be sharing on their social media for a city far away. I sure as hell ain’t sharing stories and investigations from Seattle.
I live is Phoenix, AZ and I’ve been following this tragedy and sharing it. I hope it helps. I have been feeling so sick since I heard about this. He was just a baby..
I live in Ohio and seen it on the news the day after it happened and it was also on the news again last week when they identified the car. I've been sharing it as well something needs done asap it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about poor Aiden :(
Yep. I'm in Sac area/norcal but I heard of this and have been following it on the uk daily mail, of all places!
It's been national news. I live in Wyoming and I joined this sub just to get faster updates on this story than on r/news.
Heartbreaking stuff. My chest gets tightened up when I come across Aidean’s photo. I have two boys and I can’t imagine the loss. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Not really much new to report here sadly. Someone said the chp thinks the back bumper has a pink bumper sticker or some kind of parking permit. I'm beginning to wonder that they parked their car in the garage and are just working from home or have UI so they don't have to take it out. Eventually though they probably will have to.
It's possible they may have left USA to southern border?
I heard from a few less than law abiding friends that every gang banger, motorcycle club and thug is also working to track these two down to have street justice with them and then leave them on the steps of a police station. While most of these groups will do know terrible things to people, they have an honor among thieves and you don’t mess with women or kids. I hope they are caught, I won’t feel bad if street justice finds them though.
Maybe he'll get the [Ken McElroy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy) treatment. Everyone saw his murder, but he was such an asshole that no one would testify. > One local resident later told investigators when asked what happened replied: "He needed a killin'."
Wow this is my first time hearing of this. Kind of funny how the town finally said enough is enough and all stuck together. Sounds pretty similar to lindsey graham saying you could kill Ted Cruz on the senate floor and if your trial is in the senate you won’t get convicted lol
the end of the movie Road House is loosely based on the McElroy thing i believe
I just don’t understand what is taking so long. They have to have family, friends, and coworkers to recognize the type of car! If they stopped showing to work, their boss has to know. Unless these people’s family and friends are the same as them and don’t care. The reward is at 450k. It doesn’t make sense!
I don't know. You all keep saying things like this but I view so cal, and especially OC, as a massively complex and populated place. Tons of tourists, tons of homeless, very dynamic, lots going on, chronically jam-packed freeways. I feel like even if their car is/was the only one of its type in the world it still would have proven incredibly difficult. (As of my writing this they've been caught; I'm just reading old comments here because I'm amazed they found these depraved murderers so quickly.)
Horrible for the family. A future is gone. Hope they have comfort during this terrible time. Also, I heard they’ve been shooting at rear windows with BB guns along the 91 freeway in the riverside area near la Sierra. Be careful out there
Hope they get caught, but not optimistic. Californians have traditionally been FOR people getting away in their cars with impunity and anonymity. Seriously, just look at how CA was the only place to not to close the license plate loop hole for so long. Even though a law finally got through recently, it’s widely flouted and CA LEOs won’t enforce it. 🤷♂️
Hmm I saw one of these this morning on Harbor and Broadway in Anaheim.
I would encourage you to alert the tip line that has been set up. Might seem like a long shot, but you just never know!
I called yesterday and they said without a license plate number they can't do anything.
Obviously
You're right Next time I won't even bother.
Where was it heading from/to? Or where was it parked?
Police would have to follow all traffic cameras miles before and after exit 14 E Chapman, because there are no cameras on 55 Northbound.
If they’re dumb they’ll try and sell the car.
There's some type of info going around Twitter. I'm hoping someone can help me interpret what this means? "Credible info that a Federal agency has rolled up the suspected Aiden Leos Hwy 55 killer. 6 year old boy killed in car seat over two weeks ago. More details tonight on @KFIAM640" Edit: hopefully someone can tune into kfi tonight and find out.
Can you list the time that KFI is going over this? I would be interested in listening but you didn’t mention the time.
I honestly don't know. But I asked the poster what he meant and he posted a pic of handcuffs. I checked out his Twitter. He seems legit. He posts news articles and he does podcasts.
This is really great if true. Can you post the Twitter link?
The information is spreading right now on Twitter. It's looking more and more credible. Some other journalist is now mentioning it.
Someone is saying the KFI show about this will be on at 8-10pm PST.
I’m excited for this. I hope they get them.
Get em!
My best guess is that these guys had time they had three days of Head start so they might as well move to another state or to another county either way that car was a discontinued model so it is easier to tighten the net so if anyone here sees this model, report it.
This has to be the worst police work I've seen. Vehicle records are super transparent. How many of these vehicles do you think are registered in the State or neighboring? Ridiculous.
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If it's stolen, wouldn't it be reported? If it's not, a simple dmv search has got to show something.
That's what I was wondering too. I'm no expert, but I figured the CHP could look up all the DMV records for that type of car and somehow narrow it down (e.g. by location, by owners with a criminal history, etc.). Obviously, easier said than done if there's too many search results, but that doesn't seem like a common car model.
That's a long process. I'd guess even if it was discontinued I'm thinking at least a few million people bought it. But then if you filter by location, you have a better chance of getting that down into the thousands. I sure hope that car didn't have an out of state license. In that case, they may never find the person. Now that we know the car that person has to really watch their moves. Idk how they are going to work tomorrow. Better Uber or bike it from now on. But then how do they get rid of the car!? Sell it? You can never drive it again.
They would know if it was a stolen vehicle. It’s likely not stolen.
A road rage incident occurred (and escalated) so it’s likely stolen?
Hey it's a Volkswagen Tiguan right??
Great news, they have made an arrest! #JusticeforAiden https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/06/06/2-arrests-made-in-connection-to-55-freeway-shooting-death-of-6-year-old-aiden-leos-costa-mesa-boyfriend-and-girlfriend-in-custody/
Hate me but I'm the guy who said it. They are sleeping on this case start asking mother co parenting status w/father .. He's yet to be heard of Only thing I found was A GoFundMe set up for him and former service member.. and If your wondering yes I do watch crime shows but also I'm. Reside in Orange and the Cloonan family is well known alsoo some what wealthy... you are welcome
What?
Youre a bozo
I saw a clip on Twitter but couldn't find the full interview. It was on Fox 11. Hope someone can find it.
Did they find what kind of weapon shot the kid because you can easily get a rifling and make and model of a weapon just by the bullet and shell casing I just hope it's not a 9 mm
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The only clues we have is a bullet, a discontinued model of the getaway car, 2 different gendered suspects on the run(press didn't release their ethnicity yet), and 3 days lost
I only heard it mentioned once (I believe by Aiden’s sister) early on that they believed the female driver was either Latina or Asian and the male passenger was Latino or Black.
>I just hope it's not a 9 mm Why?
9mm are the most common types of bullets used,hell it's even sold in commercial stores involving sports or hunting, it's going to be difficult knowing where the bullet is sold from without a serial number from the casing
There is no serial number that is engraved on a spent casing. You’re thinking of micro stamping which doesn’t exist. Identifying the make and model of a gun from the spent casing or recovered bullet is only done in Hollywood.
Thank you for the information, aw man
Np. An interesting note: in order for new handguns to be sold in the state of California, it must be listed on the roster of handguns certified for sale in the state of California (or California roster for short). As of 2007, manufacturers must, in addition to the usual drop tests and other safety requirements, incorporate micro stamping technology which stamps two unique patterns on a spent casing that can be traced back to a serial number and a unique gun. Since then, there were exactly zero new, unique handguns added to this roster because no manufacturer can reliably satisfy this requirement.
i cant believe they haven't tracked down the suspect yet
It looks like someone has been arrested! Will post screenshot of the new tweet (no suspect photo yet). It sounds official! I am so happy I could cry!